Schools of the 2013 SA Super Rugby squad players

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   #72 Database: SA Super Rugby players: high school & primary school

   […] My previous study of high schools attended by each of the South African Super Rugby wider squad players with a simple formula to determine which franchise had the most homegrown players can be found here: http://schoolboyrugby.co.za/blog/?p=2253 […]

   26 February, 2013 at 00:22
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   #71 iRugby

   @ Moppie Die webmaster het daai pers trui opgesit,ek weet regtig nie van n skool wat met n pers trui in SA speel nie.Wat lojaliteit aanbetref lyk my dis by die agterdeur uit selfs by skole nadat semi-professionalisme sy kop uitgesteek het by skolerugby ook.

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   31 January, 2013 at 22:41
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   #70 Moppie

   @iRugby: iRugby, watse pers trui is die by jou naam?

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   31 January, 2013 at 15:07
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   #69 Moppie

   @BOG: Erger as Pretoria. Brits. Ek het so ‘n blonde kop Jufertjie met sulke laaaang bene gehad wat gereken het dat die skool nie die probleem was, blykbaar het my konsentrasie gedwaal-hoofsaaklik in haar klas.

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   31 January, 2013 at 13:32
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   #68 BOG

   @Moppie: Kan beslis akkoord gaan met jou verwarring- n duidelik waarneembare eienskap van jou. Moontlik skoolonderrig in Pretoria gekry?@BoishaaiPa: Met n lang draai, het jy bevestig wat ek gese het oor steun.@rugbyfan: Dont get too friendly with Paarlbok- just now he starts supporting Grey.

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   31 January, 2013 at 11:45
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   #67 rugbyfan

   I think a big danger for rugby in this country is that the open rugby leagues in the platteland is fading out

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   31 January, 2013 at 10:46
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   #66 rugbyfan

   @PaarlBok: That they were

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   31 January, 2013 at 10:45
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   #65 PaarlBok

   @rugbyfan: Same asNWK (Upington) in my young days. Some legends played for them like Herklaas Engelbrecht. Nowadays they are Griquas Country Districts. Could never figure out Alexander bay / Oranjemund is closer to Wellington then Upington and many players from that clubs had to play in Upington and had to drive there on weekends. but then in those days everything was different.

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   31 January, 2013 at 09:32
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   #64 rugbyfan

   @BoishaaiPa: Still remember the days of NEC playing the Bulls in Cradock i think everybody within a 200km raduis would be there.

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   31 January, 2013 at 08:38
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    #63 Moppie

    @iRugby: iRugby jy is heeltemal reg. Thabo Mabuza is ‘n ster en definitief van die Laeveld. Hoe ek hom met Affies se 6 verwar weet nugter (kombinasie van ouderdom/drank en die Teazers girls? :mrgreen:) Ek het nie geweet Hayward is van Lichtenburg. Voorwaar ‘n goeie speler.
    My punt bly egter dat die Bulle oor genoeg kwaliteit spelers in ons skole sisteem beskik. Die indruk word egter geskep dat eers na die Paarl – en Bloemfontein skole se talent gekyk word alvorens daar na plaaslike kinders gekyk word. In my opinie was daar al spelers van buite gekontrakteer terwyl daar plaaslik kinders met soortgelyke talente is, wat geignoreer word.
    Die Vrystaat het amper meer spelers afkomstig van Pretoria skole as die Bulle. Wonder waar le die lojaliteit daarin?

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    31 January, 2013 at 08:38
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    #62 rugbyfan

    @BoishaaiPa: You right anything North of Somerset East would have been North East Cape country today those people are either Cheetah or Sharks supporters.

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    31 January, 2013 at 08:37
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    #61 BoishaaiPa

    @BOG: I did not suggest anything of the like. I dont think people from that areas went to Boet to watch an EP game anyway…They were more part of the Old “Noord-Oos Kaap”…Use to play in yellow/gold rugby shirts with black collars and in the Sport Pienaar….and where traditionally more swayed towards OFS. From Graaff-Reinnet northwards you will find more Cheetah supporters than anything else. The EP supporters was mostly centralized from Humansdorp through to PE and the immediate surrounding areas and up to Grahamstown which I think was about the border for any EP support!

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    31 January, 2013 at 07:20
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    #60 iRugby

    @Moppie
    Die 6 van Bulle Cweek 2012 kom van Witrivier en het vir HTS Middelburg 0.14 en 0.15 gespeel en in Gr10 eers in Waterkloof begin.Bulle no15 kom van Mahikeng en op skool in Lichtenburg tot helfte van Gr 11en toe eers Centurion.Jammer dit is definitief nie Pretoria homegrown vir my nie.Die 6 is Thabo Mabuza en 15 is Jaco Hayward.

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    30 January, 2013 at 22:30
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    #59 BOG

    @BoishaaiPa: Im not questioning the loyalty, however misplaced, of those people from PE, Despatch, Uitenhage areas- they were OP!!! (Shame) And even I remember Gawie Carelse, Frans Erasmus, Eben Olivier, Hannes Marais ens—, but the majority in the areas which I mentioned, were not EP fans. To suggest that players like Os du Randt(Adelaide) and Johan Goosen(Burgersdorp) were EP fans, are wrong

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    30 January, 2013 at 16:40
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    #58 PaarlBok

    @Ploegskaar: Maties is ‘n fontein, hang net af van watter fontein jy wil drink.

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    30 January, 2013 at 16:25
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    #57 PaarlBok

    Beet, will be interesting to add the Lions to the list.

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    30 January, 2013 at 16:24
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    #56 Ploegskaar

    @BoishaaiPa: Pulling your leg, I know many Matie OB’s in business and many of them very successful, but, likewise also know many successful guys that did not complete school, did not study after school, or that studied at various other tertiary institutions. It’s definitely a fairly good university, but not the sole guarantee for success.

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    30 January, 2013 at 16:08
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    #55 BoishaaiPa

    @Ploegskaar: That can happen when you play in the B leagues…step up to the A-league…I’ll show you a few Matie old boys who knows their business…

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    30 January, 2013 at 15:51
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    #54 BoishaaiPa

    @Beet…I also played a schoolboy match as a curtain raiser for EP vs WP in 1983 at The Boet!…I still have the match program of the day and if you like I will email it to you… Years later and I ended up sitting next to one of those WP players as we watched our sons playing cricket for the same team!…

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    30 January, 2013 at 15:46
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    #53 BoishaaiPa

    @beet: Beet, I lived in the area from 1976 to 1983 and I can only talk about my own immediate group of friends and relatives and I most probably watched every game EP played at Boet Erasmus in those days as my dad was involved with EP rugby. The fans all shouted for EP when they played at “The Boet”, but mostly because of the knowledge that the chance of EP winning against their “real” team is very slim!..So I was always a WP supporter since my early days growing up but when they came to play against EP , I will shout for EP that day, at least to give the poor EP lads some support, well knowing that they have but a slim chance to win. If they can pull of an upset win, well, then at least I supported the winning team and if they lose, well, my team won then!..I think it was like that for most of the supporters and thus we all shouted for EP when they played at The Boet!…My friends supported OFS and WP…there were no Tvl or N-Tvl supporters in our group and Natal was playing B-league rugby!..The good old days when the Banana Boys knew where their place was!…..

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    30 January, 2013 at 15:35
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    #52 Ploegskaar

    @BoishaaiPa: Nah, you can see them coming from a mile, no surprizes there and they sure as hell are bad losers in business when looking at the local chicken boys that we have been giving such a bloody nose over the years! They do make good underlings though, and do perform well when prodded.

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    30 January, 2013 at 15:16
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    #51 PaarlBok

    Most of the players come from PE, Uitenhage & Despatch area and a very strong EP base. Bulls is surprisingly disappointing. Could not believe their schools produce so little to the S15 squads.

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    30 January, 2013 at 15:10
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    #50 BOG

    @beet: Its from that era that I am drawing my conclusions. Most kids in the areas I have mentioned- Molteno, Burgersdorp, Steynsburg, Lady Grey, Dordrecht, Barkley East, Elliot, Maclear , Adelaide ect—,traditionally went to Bloemfontein to school (not only Grey) where they became “indoctrinated”. Some went to Queenstown and fewer to EL. But, certainly, most were not EP supporters

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    30 January, 2013 at 14:43
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    #49 beet

    @BOG: I can well believe that. Fans in the E/Cape haven’t had professional rugby team as such to get behind for many years now. Question: what was their fan base like in the regions you mentioned during the 1980s when EP rugby was a lot stronger and teams like WP, NTvl, Tvl and FS made regular trips to Boet Erasmus?

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    30 January, 2013 at 14:24
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    #48 BOG

    @beet: If you look at the Eastern Cape region, you will find very few in the region, consisting of the old NE Cape and Border, who were EP supporters or who support the Kings now(who in his right mind would. I think its fair to say, and perhaps Queenian would bare me out, is that most in the Border/Transkei are, are Shark supporters while many, if not most, in the NE Cape area, are Cheetah supporters. Of course, there are exceptions- even a few fools around who support the BBS and WP. This idea that everyone in the “bigger” E Cape, are EP/Kings supporters is misleading and deceptive.

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    30 January, 2013 at 14:07
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    #47 BoishaaiPa

    @Ploegskaar: They will most certainly catch a different kind of virus at UCT, but I guess it is your perogative!..Just remember for each naive Matie you might have eaten there is 10 others down the line who have eaten you without you even knowing it!…

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    30 January, 2013 at 14:03
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    #46 PaarlBok

    @beet: You are right, interesting to look at the Kings stats, it show they have a very good schoolboy and rugby culture in place. If they can get it right via their Academy and hold on their own players they sure can become a power in the future. Thats all the stats shows. Poaching maybe a to strong/sensitive word.

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    30 January, 2013 at 13:34
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    #45 Queenian

    @beet: Agree with you there

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    30 January, 2013 at 12:27
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    #44 beet

    @PaarlBok: Your stat is interesting but bear in mind that by using the term “poached” you are focusing on the pull and forgetting about the push factors. Some of the SR players attended schools in regions where they did not have Superugby teams. They did not need that much incentive to leave. For example Keegan Daniel came to the Sharks Academy without a contract.

    I would therefore say you need to focus on players that come from SR regions only for “Poached”

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    30 January, 2013 at 12:08
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    #43 PaarlBok

    Beet dankie vir die een. Om op te som:
    S15 Total Own Poached % Own
    Bulls 36 6 30 16.7
    Cheetahs 44 16 28 36.4
    Kings 41 17 24 41.5
    Sharks 40 9 31 22.5
    Stormers 41 21 20 51.2

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    30 January, 2013 at 11:53
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    #42 Moppie

    @iRugby: Die Cravenweek span se 6 kom van Affies en die 15 van Centurion. Verwys na die Cravenweek span.

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    30 January, 2013 at 08:25
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    #41 iRugby

    @Moppie Verwys jy na Affies se no6 en 15 van 2012 as homegrown talent of die Bulle se 0/18 Cravenweek span se no 6 en 15 as homegrown talent ?

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    29 January, 2013 at 22:37
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    #40 All Black

    @Moppie: No offence at all.

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    29 January, 2013 at 10:34
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    #39 Moppie

    @All Black: Hi All Black. No I dont think he made it up. Maybe a mistake or a rumour he heard? The fact is they dont give bursaries. Sorry All Black, dont want to offend you. Affies have been a dominant force in school sport for the last 40 + years. In the 1980’s they won the Old Admin cup 6 years in a row.
    Affies have never really dominated Pta Boys High. Those Souties are a brave bunch who like to kick the “Rockspider’s” backside. Always hard and tough games.

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    29 January, 2013 at 10:23
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    #38 Ploegskaar

    @BoishaaiPa: Unfortunately “kapoet” is just about spot on, but then that can be said of many proud tertiaty institutions that are either already there or well on their way there. No question that my girls are going to UCT though, don’t want them to catch that bubble virus in ‘Bosch, as I have eaten to many of those naive Maties for breakfast in the business world.

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    29 January, 2013 at 09:35
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    #37 All Black

    @Moppie: Do you think the Affies boys father was making this up? By the way, if you look back on Affies record you will see that they have only really dominated in the last 15 years, maybe a little longer. I stand to be corrected but PBHS were the stronger before this period. Something changed. I do know I am commenting on something that I do not know the details of so really cant comment any further.

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    29 January, 2013 at 09:18
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    #36 Moppie

    @All Black: All Black Affies dont give bursaries. If you know the school and especially the headmaster, Dr Edwards, you would also know the remark that the “blue bulls put the u/14 team together” is far from the truth. He would never allow outsiders to dictate the school on any subject, let alone rugby. Traditionally Affies has been a strong Rugby and Sport school. Their u/14’s weren’t an exception on the rule.

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    29 January, 2013 at 08:48
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    #35 Queenian

    @rugbyfan: Agree only allow them to contract half through a kids final year.

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    29 January, 2013 at 07:50
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    #34 Queenian

    @rugbyfan: Ye i know this is a mind boggling move

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    29 January, 2013 at 07:49
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    #33 Queenian

    @All Black: That is correct i have never heard of Affies offering busaries myself.

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    29 January, 2013 at 07:49
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    #32 All Black

    @Moppie: No bursaries at Affies? No help from the Bulls in getting boys to Affies? My son was hosted by an Affies family when we played away and the father said to him, Dont worry about the score tomorrow, this team has been put together by the Bulls and they are the best from the Bulls U13 Craven Week. The score was 11-9.

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    29 January, 2013 at 07:14
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    #31 BoishaaiPa

    @Ploegskaar: Corne is more known for his time spent at Boishaai from Gr 1 to Gr12 than his stint at the old Cape Tech!…I believe nowadays it is called CPUT or “Kapoet” in the local slang!

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    29 January, 2013 at 06:57
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    #30 rugbyfan

    @BOG: Still beats the crap out of me that a kid would want to go from Queens to Southwood or what ever there name is. This proves that the BB are behind it.

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    29 January, 2013 at 05:37
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    #29 rugbyfan

    @BOG: You are dead right i do not think it is the schools that are the problem the BB are the one doing it.

    I would suggest that no kids may sign contracts with rugby unions until midway through there final year this will stop alot of this rubbish going on.

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    29 January, 2013 at 05:35
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    #28 BOG

    @beet: Just one correction. I too, am familiar with many of the people in the Mpumalanga platteland. Not all are BBs supporters- there are some who know something about rugby. I also dont think that there are schools in Tshwane which buy players- the BBs do the buying for them. An excellent example is the kid from Queens recently. We should also look beyond just a single team or season.

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    28 January, 2013 at 18:04
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    #27 Moppie

    @beet: Thank you Beet. Also quality schools. My mistake

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    28 January, 2013 at 17:38
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    #26 beet

    @Moppie: And other noteworthy schools are Menlopark and Centurion, not to mention Pretoria Boys High and even St Albans.

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    28 January, 2013 at 17:23
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    #25 Moppie

    @All Black: All Black, if you take Garankuwa, Hammanskraal.Mabopane and Soshanguve’s schools, then I can understand the 9% schools playing rugby. In Pretoria, apart from Affies, you have a “super schools”(more than 2000 kids in the school) competition(Wonderboom/John Vorster/Waterkloof/Garsfontein/Zwartkop/Eldoraign). You have the big schools(Oos Moot/Montana/Overkruin/Wilgers). These schools live for their rugby. Apart from these schools, the kids from schools in the far North and Mpumalanga normally come to the University of Pretoria. I myself come from the Mpumalanga “Platteland” and I can assure you the Blue Bulls biggest and most loyal fans is from the “platteland.
    If the Blue Bulls say their pool of feeder schools is small their is something major wrong!
    The core of the all conquering Blue Bulls Craven team of 2012 came from Affies, a school who don’t buy players at all(despite all the remarks from the friends from the Cape and Free state).
    The star players from that team(No’s 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,10, 12, 13, 15) is homegrown talent.

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    28 January, 2013 at 17:13
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    #24 Playa

    Once an Ikey, always a Tiger!

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    28 January, 2013 at 16:31
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    #23 Ploegskaar

    @BoishaaiPa: No doubt that Maties are the top uni in the WC, but as a avid Ikey supporter (me and my dad probably being the only boere supporting Ikeys at the Newlands Intervarsities in the 80’s) it’s good that they have been quite competitive over the past few years. Note I (clearly) went to neither, my tertiary education was completed at the alma mater of the great Neil Burger and Corne Krige in the early 90’s.

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    28 January, 2013 at 16:19
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    #22 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @beet:
    Dıd you get the KZN Prımary. Schools lıst for rugby players? Sent ıt a day or two ago…

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    28 January, 2013 at 16:02
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    #21 Moppie

    @BOG: Ai Bog. Nou weet ons waar het als verkeerd gegaan my vriend.

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    28 January, 2013 at 15:54
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    #20 BoishaaiPa

    @BOG: It is easy enough in your old age you to confuse the reasons for waking up in a cold sweat….it has nothing to do with the fact that you were a WP supporter but all to do because you are exposed to Cheetah rugby!!..It is only natural that it will become less frequent as you get use to loosing!…

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    28 January, 2013 at 15:16
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    #19 BOG

    I hate to admit it, but I too, spent about 5 years drinking and partying in maroon. Where this intensive program permitted it, I managed to study a little as well. There are still people who try to tell me that the early mornings during winter, are cold, wet and windy. I only ventured outside on those rare occasions when the sun shone. What I do know, and I am still recovering from that,is that it effected me to the extent that I became a WP supporter. The trauma is still there- I sometimes wake up with a cold sweat, but thankfully, its becoming less frequent with age and exposure to Cheetah rugby. In my days, the only interaction between UCT and Maties, was the competition between the Commercial Departments. Maties and Ikeys played of course, but as two clubs and not intervarsity. Needless to say, BHP was only a sparkle in his dads eye. The sparkle only changed after his birth.

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    28 January, 2013 at 13:42
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    #18 BoishaaiPa

    @Ploegskaar: In what Universe is that?…I think you are the only one living that dilusion!.. For the rest of us it is pretty clear who is top dog in WC …For many a year now!…in my varsity days (mid 80’s) we use party till early morning before we played the Ikeys so that we can at least give them some type of handicap system and make it a fair game!…

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    28 January, 2013 at 13:08
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    #17 Rugger fan

    @BOG: BOG – yes – that is exactly it. We need to get thta feeder system going again.

    The system that always amazes (and impresses) me – is the British F.A. Cup. There is Manchester United playing “Pitsonderwater” and there are a few hundred/thousand avid fans in purple and grey saying “We wuz robbed – and should have beaten Man U”. And then year after year some of those underdogs actually make it through a few rounds.

    Passion all the way down to the grass roots – and those teams probably only pull the girlfriends most matches – but they keep on.

    I fully agree there should be an emphasis on all levels of the game. Even the Blitzbokke don’t get the crowds normally.

    Professionalism and TV have killed the game.

    Even cricket – I remember capacity crowds at the B&H day nighters a decade or two back. Now even the provincial T20’s are poorly attended.

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    28 January, 2013 at 12:46
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    #16 Ploegskaar

    @beet: That’s just because those Maties have always been very nervous about losing the coveted 2nd best uni in the WC title to UWC. At least we all agree that UCT is the top dog

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    28 January, 2013 at 12:44
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    #15 beet

    @Ploegskaar: A lot of those old Maties were asking if that same statement referred to UWC.

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    28 January, 2013 at 12:22
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    #14 Ploegskaar

    @beet: I fear that by refering to Maties as “another fairly good one” you might have made yourself very unpopular with the tobacco and wine brigade, although I agree

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    28 January, 2013 at 12:11
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    #13 All Black

    @Moppie: Unfortunately the pool of schools that the Bulls can rely on is very small. At a presentation that the Bulls gave, the stats were scary. Something like only 9% of schools in the region play rugby. This is a long way from the days when the Bulls relied on the army camps to provide their players. Of the Natal schools side in 1985 every player who was going to army before studying had their camp call ups changed and ended up at PD School in Voortrekkerhoogte. This pool has now gone and thus the Bulls have to look outside of their zone.

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:40
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    #12 BOG

    @Rugger fan: Lets be honest- club rugby was destroyed by “professional” rugby and although attempts are being made to revive it, I am afraid, its just not going to happen. Several years ago, the sports clubs were central to a lot of social activities. Not so any more.And as I pointed out recently, we all have egos(unfortunately) When a youngster is at school, playing first team, a few thousand watches him on a Saturday. He is the bees knees- even in a small school. That all changes when they leave school where they are lucky if his mother and girl friend goes to watch him. So, motivation, becomes a challenge. And this applies even to those who are involved in representative teams at U19 and 21 level. We can see it on TV- the stands are empty.

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:32
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    #11 beet

    @Rugger fan: No the Pumas youngsters tend to spread around. If anything the Lions was the number 1 destination for Pumas kids. The same might be said of the Valke kids.

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:27
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    #10 beet

    Eish I got an email telling me how a certain Mr Francois Hougaard spent a bit of time in a programme down in the W/Cape before trekking north.

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:25
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    #9 BOG

    @Moppie: Ai, Poppie, ek merk darem jy kan tel- was seker op Hoer Meisies. Noord Tvl met eie talent geploeg? Is dit n ou of nuwe grappie? Ons weet almal dat wanneer iemand in die polisie of weermag presteer het op die rugbyveld, was hy binne twee weke Pretoria toe verplaas. n Goeie voorbeeld was Lennie Gerber. Hy het vir Grens gespeel (n Dale produk) en 2 weke nadat hulle teen N-Tvl gespeel het, was hy in Pretoria.@BoishaaiPa: What percentages are you talking about? Statistical manipulation? The Matric exams are over, for a while!

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:22
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    #8 Greenwood

    Beet – thanks interesting stats – must have spent some time compiling this

    Rugger fan – guys dropping rugby after 1 year at clubs – why would that be ? maybe too big a gap between SBR and club games ? – maybe couch rugby more apealing ?

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:17
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    #7 Grasshopper

    @Ruggerfan, I am one of those around the braai. Played club rugby for 3 years under 21 and then stopped. We need to keep the base of players going to ensure we have a feeder system of players otherwise the game will die…

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    28 January, 2013 at 11:09
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    #6 Rugger fan

    @Moppie: @Moppie – you are right – we need to develop our rugby players – and a big gap is the number of good school boys that do not progress to club level. Especially not the top tier guys – but the rest of them. Most guys you meet around a braai – stopped playing after school – after a season or so in club rugby.

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    28 January, 2013 at 10:48
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    #5 Moppie

    Vir ‘n Blou bul ondersteuner is dit baie hartseer om te dink ons plaaslike talent word so gemors. Vir ‘n Unie met ‘n Curriebeker rekord soos die ou Noord Transvaal is dit inderwaarheid ‘n skande. Buurman VanZyl en Bloues Van Rooyen draai seker in hul grafte om.
    In Oom Buurman se tyd is die Curiebeker jaar na jaar met plaaslike talent gewen.
    Volgens bogenoemde inligting is die skole wat die beste verteenwoordig is, as volg: Paul Roos 7, Affies 7 en Paarl Gim 12. O ja, voor Bogter ‘n hartaanval kry, Grey Kollege 26 (Hehehe).

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    28 January, 2013 at 09:41
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    #4 BoishaaiPa

    @BOG: That will only give WP a even higher %!…

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    28 January, 2013 at 09:18
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    #3 BOG

    Pity you had not gone a little “wider” to include the U19 and 21 squads and support staff.

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    28 January, 2013 at 09:06
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    #2 Playa

    To the Queenians (and anyone else who might know):
    Is Rocco Jansen related to Marco Jansen, who played for Queens in 2000/2001?A very good player whose rugby career was tragically cut short by a permanent knee injury.

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    28 January, 2013 at 08:45
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    #1 Rugger fan

    Thanks beet – interesting breakdown. You could probably have added the Pumas as a Bulls feeder province too (except it would have made no difference as the only Pumas in the group are not playing for the Bulls ).

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    28 January, 2013 at 07:35