Northwood is u19 Headmasters Agreement compliant

Northwood don’t anticipate any issues with the controversial Headmasters Agreement to crop up at any stage this season. The school acquired the services of three new under-19 1st XV players for 2013. Two are exchange students from traditionally non-rugby playing countries and the third, although he is turning out to be quite a star with Craven Week experience to back it up, qualifies for inclusion in KZN’s rigid system on the basis that his family relocated to the region from another province. The Headmasters Agreement excludes all under-19 rugby players that either arrive at their new schools after Grade 10 or who have repeated Grade 12 or who do not fit the description of bona fide students.  Exceptions exist for families that relocate and exchange students.

Headmasters Agreement:  http://schoolboyrugby.co.za/blog/?p=1039

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  1. avatar
    #100 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    True. Just one week left before its OFFICIALLY rugby season. One things for sure, this is going to be the most closely contested U14 season yet. Look forward to seeing what some of the boys can do. I’ve earmarked Allan,Hope,Kershaw,Truter,Phipson as must-watch this season.

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    24 February, 2013 at 22:00
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    #99 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: If I learned one thing last year it was that rugby is played on a field between 4 white lines. Not on a piece of paper. Lets see what pots. Gonna be an interesting season.

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    24 February, 2013 at 21:24
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    #98 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    This College team is starting to look a lot like the College 2010 U14A team. KZN beware…

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    24 February, 2013 at 20:55
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    #97 GreenBlooded

    Mbatha – College. Not sure about Zakwe.

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    24 February, 2013 at 20:17
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    #96 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    Sorry :oops: when I asked I was told the scrumhalfs name is Sherwood. Must be Ross then, talented player, really is. Was bemused when he didn’t make the A squad, all of that will be fixed though.
    College will have an amazing backline.
    Do you know where Zakwe and Mbatha went?

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    24 February, 2013 at 19:35
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    #95 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: He was the flyhalf. The scrumhalf was Ross Williamson. They are both at College.

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    24 February, 2013 at 19:12
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    #94 HORSEFLY NO.1

    On the KZN U13 boys, I see KZN U13B scrummie Brad Sherwood is also at College. Awesome player, deserved to be in the a squad IMO…

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    24 February, 2013 at 18:07
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    #93 HORSEFLY NO.1

    Well done to DHS basketball team for winning St Johns Basketball Tournament. They didnt start well by losing to Western Cape Sports School and Pretoria Boys but they played well when it counted most beating Western Cape Sports School in the semi-final and then beating the same Pretoria Boys team in the final! Well done School!!

    They were reigning champs and will therefore go home with the trophy AGAIN!!

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    24 February, 2013 at 16:00
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    #92 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    Yip which is why i said it only really matters in u14 level when the KZN U13 boys still have a mental and physical advantage over everyone else. After that its fair game and the real stars start showing up. Sometimes, like last year, its insignificant even in u14 level. Last year Kearsney u14 had 8 KZN players only to be beaten 20-0 by DHS. Just depends on mental strength and ability of a coach i guess.

    If thats the conversion rate then maybe you should convince Glenwood to stop being so keen to get the u13 boys then :wink:

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    24 February, 2013 at 15:33
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    #91 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: The figure bandied about last season was that conversion rate from U13 craven week to U18 craven week is 11%.

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    24 February, 2013 at 14:57
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    #90 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @NW_Knight:
    In my experiences KZN U13 representation only really matters at U14 level. After that things start evening out.also, it just depends on which kzn u13 players you’ve got, some go on to be the best u18 players In the country and some get lost in the system. Really just a game of luck.

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    24 February, 2013 at 12:42
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    #89 NW_Knight

    @Horsey: Couldn’t agree with @Greenblooded more re KZN representation (especially at U13 level). Mostly home grown talent for NW, with a few others added in.

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    24 February, 2013 at 11:49
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    #88 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    College, to my knowledge only have 2 KZN players in their ranks but I do hear its a good side. DHS havs some big, talented boys of their own including the GWD Prep innside centre and DPHS flanker. Also have one or two KZN U13B players who are quite good. I think they might be a player or two from outside the province too so it’ll be good.

    But yeah its quite evenly spread, even MHS have 3 very talented players in their ranks including the big kzn 8th man.

    Glenwood with 6 KZN players would be tipped for kzn no1 honours but hey anyone could take it IMO. Could just be the closest U14 season yet. Last years was too boring with DHS and Glenwood topping the province while College had the odd excellent performance

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    24 February, 2013 at 11:37
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    #87 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: Hmmmm – I think the U14 rugger talent got quite evenly spread this year. Glenwood and College both have their far share of KZN representatives, Kearsney got the very talented KZN captain and the cream of the Highbury crop, Westville are never slouches when it comes to recruiting rugby players and with NW would have picked up the talent North of the Umgeni and then some with their new recruitment policy. Who did DHS get?

    Having said this – I don’t think KZN players neccessarily mean the best players in all cases. As is the case with waterpolo, you need to be 10x better than the next guy if you don’t go to the right school to get a look in.

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    24 February, 2013 at 11:17
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    #86 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @NW_Knight:
    And of course Northwoos U14. For their water polo and according to you rugby. Where are they recruiting U14 rugby players from?

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    24 February, 2013 at 11:16
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    #85 NW_Knight

    @Horsey: Geez, thanks for leaving NW U14 out!! Only beaten once this year and have beaten Westville and Glenwood.

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    24 February, 2013 at 10:47
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    #84 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    WSTVL with a strong U14 side. Kearsney too strong across the board. The Kearsney U15s are good, they are the only other team that has the ability to beat the GWD U15 along DHS and Clifton.

    All schools seem to have recruited well somewhere as far as U14 go. DHS for rugby,College Cricket, GWD Swimming,Clifton Cricket(unbeaten still),WBHS POLO etc

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    24 February, 2013 at 10:42
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    #83 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    Eish! That 17-0 definitely sticks out. Think College were lucky to get away with just 17. They gotten worse from us…

    U14, as I said have one player whom probably scored all four. Nothing much to offer besides him.
    Good win for 1sts, hopefully they win their last inter-schools match vs Northwood next Saturday before rugga season starts.
    No, I wasn’t there… Barely attend Polo games but will be there every weekend for the rugby, even away games

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    24 February, 2013 at 10:36
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    #82 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: Kearsney Westville Waterpolo:

    1st KC 13-5
    2nd KC 6-2
    3rd KC 9-4
    U15A KC 9-1
    U14A WV 9-3

    Seems the U14’s are bucking the trend at all schools…….

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    24 February, 2013 at 10:33
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    #81 GreenBlooded

    1st – DHS 10-9
    2nd – College 11-4
    U15A – DHS 17-0
    U14A – College 12-4

    Thought I saw you there? Maybe you are not who I think you are……… :-? :roll:

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    24 February, 2013 at 10:31
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    #80 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    What were the full polo results vs College?also, that DHS U14 side is a poor one with only one good player who porbably scored all four goals for DHS…
    @Gungets Tuft:
    Yip a talented kid. Well done to all involved and also to the weather for playing along

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    24 February, 2013 at 10:25
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    #79 Gungets Tuft

    @GreenBlooded: All the parts of the puzzle slowly coming together. The 1sts is a pale memory of the rather disjointed team that played against Kearsney. You have to applaud the coaches that kept it together after La Marque left so suddenly, but the arrival of the new coach has just given all the coaches the focus they needed to make the best of the players. Water polo is just one of those sports where top coaching and focus has instant results. Roll on 4th Term when the plan completes.

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    24 February, 2013 at 09:28
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    #78 Gungets Tuft

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: De Wet – 56

    I see Brad Hope got 140 NO for the U14’s, goes with the 125 NO that he scored earlier in the season, he must be averaging about 300 this year. We are going to hear lots about this kid.

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    24 February, 2013 at 09:21
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    #77 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: Glenwood didn’t play polo this week. I see Kearsney did very well against Westville in the pool winning all games other than U14’s (1st and U15A quite convincingly). DHS beat College (very narrowly – 1 goal) and nice to see the College U14A getting their 1st victory of the season – 12-4.

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    24 February, 2013 at 09:12
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    #76 HORSEFLY NO.1

    DHS U14A,U15A lost whilst U16A drew to College with Ross top-scoring with 55

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    23 February, 2013 at 19:58
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    #75 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @Gungets Tuft:
    Hopefully. They are a good team with a fantastic coach. Jean leRoux doing great things for School water polo. Victory even better knowing that this is a quality College side…

    @GreenBlooded:
    No. Just heard about it from somebody. Maybe Gungets knows what the other results were…

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    23 February, 2013 at 19:39
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    #74 GreenBlooded

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: Weren’t you there for the polo?

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    23 February, 2013 at 19:05
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    #73 Gungets Tuft

    @HORSEFLY NO.1: DHS first water polo will go unbeaten at home this year.

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    23 February, 2013 at 19:02
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    #72 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @GreenBlooded:
    Only know the 1st team score. Think they wouldve lost with U15 getting an easy victory though.

    Who was GWD playing today?

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    23 February, 2013 at 17:01
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    #71 GreenBlooded

    How were the U14’s horsey?

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    23 February, 2013 at 16:40
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    #70 HORSEFLY NO.1

    WELL DONE TO DHS 1ST WATER POLO FOR BEATING COLLEGE!! Great stuff!

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    23 February, 2013 at 15:17
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    #69 Gungets Tuft

    @Grasshopper: We will have a pretty good idea. No head-to-head perhaps but a good look at the other results will show something

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    23 February, 2013 at 10:22
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    #68 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @star:
    Oh please feel free to get started on the war-cry… :wink:
    @Grasshopper:
    Yeah the DHS war-cry has improved massively and was once again at its very best at last years Glenwood game. Even in defeat you could swear that we were winning that game and that we were playing at DHS.

    Hilton war-cry only shows up when they play MHS.I remember the DHS vs Westville game in 2010 where about 65 DHS boys outshouted about 300 WBHS boys who seemed to be more interested in the rainfall than supporting their school.

    You should come to DHS vs Glenwood to witness it yourself.

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    23 February, 2013 at 09:55
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    #67 Grasshopper

    @Star, well unfortunately it seems the Westville vs Glenwood games won’t be happening and for a while, maybe even a 5 year cooling off period like we had with Hilton. Therefore, some of these boys will never play against each other, which is a tragedy. Also, we will now not know who really is the best in KZN if these derbies are not played. Anyway, time to move on and accept this will not be sorted in time for 2013.

    With regards to DHS war-cry, I never knew they were considered good. In my day all they did was shout ‘School’, not the most creative. Also, their main warcry was OK. For me Michaelhouse, Hilton and Kearsney do the best considering their small numbers. Glenwood is up there too for shear noise. Some love the band but others don’t, but they do add to the uniqueness of the Glenwood cheering. It really is subjective again, because parents and supporters will obviously prefer their war-cry over others..

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    23 February, 2013 at 08:33
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    #66 star

    @ Horsy- I was refering to Schools great war cries( which I did not want to get started on)
    @ Grassy- Westville 2nds beat Linpark 1sts 45-0. Had Westville played GWD there would have been some really tasty match-ups besides the 1sts. I am sure GWD U15s would have wanted to get some revenge for last year and the U16A game would have been a close affair. It is also interesting seeing how the U14s kick off their high school careers.

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    23 February, 2013 at 06:32
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    #65 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @star:
    What about School?
    @Grasshopper:
    Its actually funny because DHS usually have the best war cries and best spirit and DHS was the best swimming school in SA at the time.
    You win some,you lose some…

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    22 February, 2013 at 22:25
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    #64 Grasshopper

    Well done to Northwood for winning the Night series final over Port Natal 12-3. Also well done to the Glenwood Invitational side winning the 2nd team final 48-0 with 8 tries, bodes well for the season considering the team had a few 3rd and 4th team players. Might be a little concerning for Northwood that their dream team battled to beat Port Natal, maybe it was not their full strength side…

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    22 February, 2013 at 21:48
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    #63 Grasshopper

    @Star, maybe that was the case. Glenwood were obviously not great in the water at the time so he chose Westville who were……that is the way the cookie crumbles. Westville now has an Olympic icon they can milk PR for ages. On another note, well done to Kearsney Old Boy Kyle Abbott for making the starting eleven for the Proteas. Kearsney’s 2nd protea after Andrew Hudson…

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    22 February, 2013 at 20:31
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    #62 star

    Actually he did look elsewhere. It was between DHS,GWD and Westville. GWD has great gees and do not start me on SCHOOL. Maybe in the gala’s Westville had the edge at the time. It happens.

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    22 February, 2013 at 20:06
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    #61 Grasshopper

    Obviously Chad never actually looked anywhere else then. He had been persuaded to go to Westville before he had a chance to look anywhere else. The one thing I do know is Glenwood has plenty of gees and a brilliant war cry. Westville just took Jimolaya Ji and added a watna westville on the end. College had the original Jimolaya Ji….

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:53
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    #60 star

    @ Grassy- where did I say that Westville is the only school with a decent war -cry and gees. Just quoting Chad verbatim- no speculation as it the case elsewhere.

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:46
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    #59 Grasshopper

    @Star, if you think Westville is the only school with a decent war-cry and gees then you need to watch some other schools in action. That was Le Clos’s excuse for actually following the SA coach…..

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:39
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    #58 star

    @ Horsy-that is why the war cry is so important. Time to get the GEES going :lol: The D & D gala next week will be epic with the support from the various schools. A friend had to leave recently as it was so intense( noise wise)

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:33
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    #57 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @star:
    That was the moment that Westville ripped Chad off our hands! :wink:

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:14
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    #56 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @Grasshopper:
    They arent all 100% bursaries. maybe half of them are… I would say that with the competition right now you need about 3o brilliant swimmers. 6 per age-group for rotation purposes.
    http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/2013%20Swim%20A%20Team%20Top%208%20Gala%202013.pdf

    look at the u14. the same boys are swimming every race . Surely they are much more tired than the Westville boys hence them being sometimes unable to win the same event in two consecutive galas.

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:13
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    #55 star

    ” I remember going to watch the D & D Gala’s when I was still at Penzance Primary. I saw the spirit at Westville Boys High and knew exactly where I wanted to be” Chad Le Clos
    Gentlemen- there are some things that money cannot buy.

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    22 February, 2013 at 19:12
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    #54 Grasshopper

    @Horsie, at 75 bursaries they need to raise R2 million a yea to pay for that. Pretty large amount! Yeah, as I have said before with swimming it just requires 10 to 15 brilliant swimmers and you have a winning team. Glenwood now have about 6 to 8 high quality swimmers hence coming in around the middle at the gala’s on points. They just need a good intake in the next couple of yeas and walla they have a gala winning squad….

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    22 February, 2013 at 18:52
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    #52 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @Grasshopper:
    Yah hey. Think DHS is starting to have cash flowing in from Old Boys now. Many people to thank for that.
    If you think about it at Glenwood one in every 6 boys has bursaries while at Westville one in every 4 has a bursary to yah they sure are handing them out. About 3 or 4 of them are to average swimmers so that they can have a good B team too…

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    22 February, 2013 at 18:19
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    #51 Grasshopper

    @Horsy, just a theory, maybe the guys in the mosque are paying Westville to not buy their land and mosque to expand the grounds. Also, Dieter Kriese and co do alot of digging around and persuading of Old Boys to sponsor. They are like the Man City and Chelsea of Durban schools, couldn’t buy history so had to buy success. Fair play to them, they are doing very well and are putting forward a convincing case to attract the best because of their all round achievements and very enthusiastic social media person…75 boys on bursary per year….jeez! I thought 40 at Glenwood was alot…..

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    22 February, 2013 at 18:08
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    #50 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @Grasshopper:
    Yep exactly what i was thinking. Glenwood 3 years ago were stone last at every swim gala and now we are speaking of them taking over from westville.

    Yeah we have our Athletics, Basketball, Golf,Badminton,Soccer. Thing is none of those sports are as highly recognized as rugby, swimming, hockey, cricket.

    Now that DHS are trying to up their rugby their swimming goes down. Kinda like a see-saw really….

    Actually dont know where WBHS is getting all this money! Must be easy being good all-round when you have 75 boys on bursary in each grade and have alomst 300 boys in each grade

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    22 February, 2013 at 17:55
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    #49 Grasshopper

    @Horsie, you see it’s hard to improve all sports at once. Glenwood’s focus was probably on rugby and tennis first, now swimming and keeping the others ticking over at very competitive levels (athletics, hockey, squash, waterpolo, badminton etc). DHS have athletics and basketball as strengths, now focusing on rugby……swimming and the others will have to wait a little. It’s a real juggling act. Westville have just gone for all sports and it’s now showing, helped by plenty of cash injections for generous Old Boys and anon sponsors…..

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    22 February, 2013 at 17:47
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    #48 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @Grasshopper:
    D&D will be on Wednesday. will be a good event. DHS having a HORRIBLE swimming year and a relatively good water polo year. I hear that their U14 swimming team has come last in every gala thus far losing them as many as 60 points in many galas. at D&D they will lose DHS 50 points.

    Sad really, hope we bounce back with a good intake next year…
    seems these are the top u13 swimmers in kzn up for grabs
    KINCAID: HIGHBURY
    POOVAN: DPHS
    ERWEE:CHELSEA PREP
    NORTJE: WSPS
    MOODLEY: GWD PREP
    Kincaid i think has a brother at WBHS while Poovan i think is more towards DHS right now otherwise its fair game!

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    22 February, 2013 at 17:41
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    #47 Grasshopper

    @Star, yep……constant tweeting about how great they are. At least Glenwood’s Schoeman stopped the rot at midmar and won his age group in an awesome time……maybe the next SA Olympic Schoeman……

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    22 February, 2013 at 17:30
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    #46 star

    @ Horsy- What is surprizing is that Kearsney that beat GW at the GW gala has fallen away to 6th spot in the Top 8 gala a full 40 points behind GW. It seems that there is only one constant :lol:

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    22 February, 2013 at 17:02
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    #45 Grasshopper

    @Horsie, you probably right. Schoeman won the midmar in his age group, that alone would knacker me for a couple of weeks. Also, they have had about 6 gala’s in 2 weeks. Westville’s depth must have shome through and Clifton’s extra rest played a part in their good performance. When is the D&D? That for me is the big one, allows the 2nd best swim team in Durban a chance to get a little closer because more points are available when there is less competition…

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    22 February, 2013 at 17:01
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    #44 HORSEFLY NO.1

    @Grasshopper:
    I’m sure GWD Boys must be tired. Depth is key here, Westville can field 8 different swimmers and they’d still win a race.
    Glenwood U14 only have 4 good swimmers in Wilkinson,Viljoen twins and Schoeman so that mustve taken a toll on them…

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    22 February, 2013 at 15:33
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    #43 Greenwood

    Star – well said !

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    22 February, 2013 at 10:44
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    #42 Grasshopper

    @Star, Glenwood came 3rd in a previous gala beating Clifton so not sure what happened in the last gala. I’m pretty sure 80% of our points came from the Under14’s and Under15’s……Westville must have taken all the other age groups…

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    22 February, 2013 at 10:12
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    #41 Gungets Tuft

    @GreenBlooded: Going to be a big day. I see all the cricket has been moved to PMB, so just the polo and basketball in Durban. Stuffed the plans of a lot of boys to take a full optional. My lightie was going to have 6 inland mates staying at our place this weekend, now they are all in PMB until 5:30pm and my lightie paddling in Durban. Mayhen has been averted in our house :-)

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    22 February, 2013 at 09:54
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    #40 GreenBlooded

    @star: What’s up with Hilton swimming – they seem to blow hot and cold. They didn’t do too well at the Westville Gala and now they rocket into 3rd. I’d love to see how the points are spread in the different age-groups. GW are very poor in U17 and open – I’m sure you’ll find that most of GW’s points come fromt he U14’s and U15’s which bodes well for the future.

    Yup – agree on the constant position on the HMA – might go a little way to convincing me that it was based on principle and not opportunism. A little way….. :mrgreen:

    My Avataar – eish, if you don’t know yet then I’m not gonna tell you……. :mrgreen: See my 08:39 comment to GT for a clue.

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    22 February, 2013 at 09:40
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    #39 star

    @ Greenblooded- Why has your avatar still got a bit of MC in it? AC/DC ? :mrgreen: Also I see that Hilton snuck past GW at the Top 8 gala at MC. Now I have 2 schools ahead of GW :lol: But seriously House and Westville must look long and hard at their position re the Headmasters agreement. A matter of principle should be seen as a constant. Accountability and honest introspection are required.

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    22 February, 2013 at 09:09
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    #38 Grasshopper

    @Gungets and Greenblooded, agreed guys it does come down to the ethics and morals of the people in charge, which I think maybe lacking in some schools at present. Also, another spanner in the works, how do we know these foreign kids ages are correct? Can we trust the Zim, Ukraine whatever birth registration systems?

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    22 February, 2013 at 09:07
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    #37 rugbyfan

    Ye the Zim boy thing is a bit contrevesal i am still not sure what i think about it, although i can see why schools like Dale are doing it alot of people condenm it but some times those are the same people that are raping schools like Dale/Queens of all there talent but then cry foul when they bring in Zim boys.

    Point at hand watched the Dale vs Grey PE game last year were alot of Grey old boys were moaning about Dale having the Zim boys, but in hind sight this is a bit two faced when look at what has just happened Dale No 15 was at Dale on Monday at Grey PE thursday in this week so a bit like the “kettle painting the pot black”.

    Also last year as i sat and watched this game there was a chorus of Dale old boys saying the only way Grey could beat Dale was to use Queenians.

    So for these schools i actually now think this might be the answer.

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    22 February, 2013 at 08:50
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    #36 GreenBlooded

    @Gungets Tuft: Seem’s like we were typing the same sentiment at the same time!!

    Working across the road from DHS today. Might take a stroll up St Thomas Rd later and see how the pool is looking…….. :mrgreen:

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    22 February, 2013 at 08:39
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    #35 GreenBlooded

    @Grasshopper: You’ve stumbled onto something here: If you are not eligible for SA Schools, then you are not allowed to play 1st XV. You can however play 2nd XV. It would be tough on a few individuals but would remove the motivation to recruit U19’s (with valid ‘excuses’) and you are not telling a genuine learner who is legit U19 in matric that he cannot play rugger. Tough on those few players but for the greater good? Or would this jut move the recruiting drive to U18’s?

    You know what – it all come’s down to honour and ethics. If you don’t have that then whatever rules are put in place become worthless because people will always find ways to circumvent them and push the boundaries. I’d like to think that school sport is part of a bigger picture to create good honourable ethical citizens. When boys see their elders circumventing honour codes and ethical boundaries then I guess they start learning how to buck the system themselves.

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    22 February, 2013 at 08:33
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    #34 Gungets Tuft

    @GreenBlooded: And it will be quite interesting if the likes of Westville and House refuse to play if the imports are allowed – or is it only a case of refusing to play if you feel you might lose. Principle vs Practice … lots of brownie points to be lost. :mrgreen:

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    22 February, 2013 at 08:33
  68. avatar
    #33 Gungets Tuft

    @GreenBlooded: No issue with that. My point is that everyone has to do what they know is right. If Northwood are brinbing in Zim players in U19’s in Grade 12, or top players in Grade 11 then they need to suffer the consequences. These might just be a refusal to play them, it is more likely to be a short term gain for a long term loss. It sounds to me as if there are parents that are so desperate for recognition (for themselves and their efforts at the school, or for their own sons to be on a winning team) that they are willing to allow shades of grey. In the long term it is doomed to fail. As a parent I am going to send my son to a school where I know his 5-year effort is going to be recognised, not kicked in the teeth by imports at the last moment.

    My point is this – schools need to set their own standards and stick to them. When they sneak it through the rules on a technicality it says a great deal about the school and the management – none of it good. There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

    Sad that we are teaching our boys to cheat the system in a short 5 years at the very beginning of their lives – then we wonder why long term success eludes them, not just at rugby, but at everything else.

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    22 February, 2013 at 08:28
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    #32 Grasshopper

    @Greenblooded, spot on! Now we still have not seen the other schools sides so there maybe more indiscretions, I for one am hoping Sean Erasmus has stayed away from bringing in too many players and avoided Under19 all together. Methinks schools in their despriration will even look to England, Aus and NZ for ‘exchange’ students. If that does happen then it will become a farce. For me the 1st team should only be for kids who can make an SA schools representative side, so that takes out the Zim & Under 19 players. Northwood are going to struggle to find cohesion, they have created a Barbarians side of sorts, so as we all know it takes time for a group of good individuals to gel. Maybe by the middle to end of the season that might happen. Also, if schools are allowed Under19’s surely there should be a cap on how many play, say 3 or 4. Only a week to go so all will be revealed then. I have checked on twitter and a few are saying Glenwood are looking pretty good across the open group with good depth. Sounds good because we are going to need it with our crazy schedule.

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    22 February, 2013 at 07:15
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    #31 GreenBlooded

    @beet: Hahaha. Zim was the first one that crossed my mind. If it was 20 years ago my first thought would have been Transkei………. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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    22 February, 2013 at 06:56
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    #30 GreenBlooded

    @rugbyfan: That’s exactly the point – these boys come from a ‘non-rugby playing country’. The mystery is where they learned their rugby skills to get to the level of makign a 1st XV in a Tier 1 school from a country that had won the World Cup twice.

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    22 February, 2013 at 06:55
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    #29 GreenBlooded

    @Gungets Tuft: You do the time you do the crime – agreed, but the ‘time’ must be equal for the same indiscretion – that is really the crux of it. When one set of standards is applied to one, and a completely different set of standards applied to another, resentment and ill-feeling is the result which is what is manifesting here. Let’s see what happens with what appears to be a very well engineered circumvention of the HMA by Northwood and whether the reaction of rival schools is the same. I seem to remember a statement being made about the ‘spirit of the agreement rather than the letter of the agreement’. All us Greenies ask is to be held to the same standard as others – that’s all.

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    22 February, 2013 at 06:52
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    #28 rugbyfan

    Did not even think the Ukraine played rugby maybe the KGB forced him to leave, there seems to be a big influx of boys from Zam/Zim into the SA schools rugby system which maybe is good or bad still have not made up my mind, i would feel better about them if they at least arrived by grade 10 the most noticable one being the 3 at Dale in 2013. There is one new Zim boy at Dale this year in Grade 12 and two at Queens 1 x Grade 11 and 1 x Grade 12. So lets see if they have any impact i did hear the one boy at Queens was super hot. Although speaking to one person at Queens they themselves were not 100% conviced as he was a 7,s specailist and they were worried that would not convert to the 15 man form of the game.

    There is apperantly one Zim boy at PBHS as well.

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    22 February, 2013 at 05:48
  74. avatar
    #27 Gungets Tuft

    @Grasshopper: and you need to get off this passive aggressive sympathy wagon. You do the crime, do the time. If everyone was just trying to be no worse than everyone else we go backwards. Time for personal responsibility without the need to temper it with other examples. Lets see how close to the wind all the schools are this year before we clamber too high up that moral high mount, know what I mean – being hoisted with ones own petard is just embarrassing …

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    21 February, 2013 at 23:26
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    #26 Gungets Tuft

    @Grasshopper: haha no mate. Saw the tweet about Bidli, thought the blog might be interested. North wood are living, and will die, by the sword they are unsheathing. Skirting the rules is going to hurt them, coming so soon after they finally got fixtures in the big league back

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    21 February, 2013 at 23:20
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    #25 beet

    @GreenBlooded: I’m tempted to say Zimbabwe just to stir the pot :mrgreen: but no! One is from one of those former Communist states – Lithuania or Ukraine and I don’t think the other new player has played for them yet so no idea yet.

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    21 February, 2013 at 22:04
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    #24 Grasshopper

    Gungets, why did you change the topic earlier? Trying to deflect the interest in Northwood’s devious tactics. I’m sure they will wrongly get away with alot this year as Glenwood are the KZN scapegoats. Westville won’t bat an eye lid I’m sure…

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    21 February, 2013 at 21:55
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    #23 GreenBlooded

    Does anybody know which non-rugby playing country these 2 players come from?

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    21 February, 2013 at 20:44
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    #22 GreenBlooded

    @Roger: Good news on the other 8. I’m sure I speak for every blogger when I say we are sending positive vibes to No 9 and hope he pulls through. The insurance is voluntary but is so cheap it should just be included in the school fees – if I’m not mistaken, Maritzburg College add it on by default and you have the option to refuse it. R300 out of a annual fee of nearly R28k – just over 1%.

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:35
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    #21 Roger

    @GreenBlooded: haven’t heard of any ill-effects on the other boys. The second last one who left ICU and apparently will be back at school shortly. Its just this chap that is the major worry. They have scholars insurance at KES – I was under the impression it was voluntary for parents though? I am sure the school has third party insurance of some sort – if not, they need a new broker asap

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:30
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    #20 Gungets Tuft

    @GreenBlooded: Saved me R35k when my lightie was knocked out last year. 3 day Hospital stay, specialists, CATs and MRIs all paid. The only difference is that he is a boarder and it happened in an actual school match. Not sure if the insurers will try and wriggle out of it because practise was over. Hope not, trust not – in my case there was not even a murmer.

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:29
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    #19 GreenBlooded

    Off topic – working in the vacinity of “School” today. Boy’s are all out on the stands (could be the whole school) doing war cry practice. Sounds pretty good I must admit. Obviously putting up a big show for the matches against College this weekend.

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:27
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    #18 Gungets Tuft

    @Playa: I have temporarily “followed” KES on Twitter to keep up to date. The support has indeed been amazing, the boys meeting in the quads, the red ribbons around the school, seriously good stuff. Shows the health and comraderie of the school. I know College has been in touch with them, everyone there is still pulling for the lightie.

    Sounds like he was closest to the actual strike, who knows, may have been the actual conduit. Hope it all turns out well.

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:24
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    #17 GreenBlooded

    @Roger: Good to hear that the lad is improving steadily if not very slowly. Do you know of any permanent injury to the other boy or any of the others? I would also think that the medical costs would be covered by the scholars insurance (please tell me you have this at KES??) unless they declare that it was an “act of God”. If you don’t then I would certainly investigate it – costs about R300 per year (additional surcharge for rugby players) and covers medical and rehabilitation costs for anything whatsoever with the school or on any school outing / tour / sports match. Saved a mate of mine a mint on rehab costs for his lighties rugby injury.

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:18
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    #16 Playa

    @Gungets Tuft: Good to hear that.At least there is an improvement that is showing.

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:04
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    #15 Roger

    @Gungets Tuft: Gungets – there is an element of long term concern for him. He is a small kid (1st team and Gauteng U19 wicketkeeper I believe) and physically not as robust as the other kid who was in ICU. He was found ten metres from his shoes after the strike and it took a while to revive him.

    KES has started a Lightning Fund. As you can imagine, the medical costs for this learner are soaring. Check out the website http://www.kingedwardschool.co.za for details. You cannot believe how much they have raised already and who has contributed – amazing fellowship

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    21 February, 2013 at 15:01
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    #14 Bullshot

    @rugbyfan: He should ask the Grey College headmaster – deny , deny , deny !

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:58
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    #13 Gungets Tuft

    Off topic, I see the 9th KES kid that is still in hospital has been moved from ICU to High care, seems to be improving daily. Good news, hope that he keeps on getting better.

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:40
  89. avatar
    #12 Playa

    @beet: At the rate things are going in the EC, the same things needs to happen there as well… :lol:

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:34
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    #11 Playa

    @Ploegskaar: Hahahahaha!

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:26
  91. avatar
    #10 Ploegskaar

    @Playa: Bollywood, its Durbs after all.

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:20
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    #9 beet

    @Playa: :mrgreen: We also have anti-poaching agreements between several schools. I know that Kearsney, Glenwood, College and DHS each has a form of agreement with at least one other local school. I must try to get hold of a copy of one if it’s in writing.

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:19
  93. avatar
    #8 Playa

    A movie about KZN schoolboy rugby would be a Hollywood Blockbuster!!!Rivetting stuff, I tell ya.

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:10
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    #7 Grasshopper

    Thanks Beet and in fact you are probably right. Glenwood has a different set of requirements to meet :wink:. Marne could have been considered moving back to where his family came from. I was told his family were originally from Dbn. I would say in Marne’s case he could of fitted into the relocation bucket as he is still in KZN now…

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    21 February, 2013 at 14:01
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    #6 beet

    Okay jokes on the previous comment, if the new player is u19 he can’t play even if he is at another school. :mrgreen:

    unless he is an exchange student or his family relocated to KZN from outside the province.

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    21 February, 2013 at 13:57
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    #5 beet

    @Grasshopper: you can’t interpret the HMA out of context tho.

    If a 1st XV “import”arrives at a school one day before a match, he can play provided he is u18 or younger. If he is under-19, then the rule says as long as he’s not at Glenwood High, he can play.

    Very simple!

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    21 February, 2013 at 13:54
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    #4 Grasshopper

    @Greenblooded, spot on! No rugby playing countries, how is that defined? I wonder what would happen to half the Michaelhouse and Hilton boys who are actually from JHB but boarding there, are they considered as imports? No family live in the area……seems Northwood are getting away with what Glenwood did, double standards again.

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    21 February, 2013 at 13:34
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    #3 rugbyfan

    Ye i wonder how the Grey PE Headmaster will explain to the Dale Headmaster how a boy is at the Dale practice on monday and by Wednesday afternoon is at the Grey PE practice.

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    21 February, 2013 at 13:29
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    #2 GreenBlooded

    Wowzer!! Three U19 imports all with valid excuses. Who would have thought? So we have already found 2 loopholes to the agreement then:

    1. Recruit exchange students from non-rugby playing countries (who just happen to be 1st XV rugby player material).
    2. Get the boy’s family to move to KZN (or rent a cheap flat, stay with a cousin, buy timeshare).

    I strongly suggest that Northwood sound out all opposition long before matchday on this one and get some accceptance in writing. Last thing they would want is to have to jerk these 3 stars at the last minute. Just saying.

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    21 February, 2013 at 13:09
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    #1 Roger

    jeez, you KZN schools get into a frothy over this. Here’s an idea – play with what you got :roll:

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    21 February, 2013 at 10:45