The path for Paul Roos’ victory against Paarl Boys High in the top of the WPPL table clash was paved by the boys putting in the hard work on the training ground beforehand and delivering the goods when it mattered most during the match. At the same time Paul Roos rugby mentor Brendan Venter has to be commended for doing his bit to improve the team’s chances of success.
Venter came up with an idea of how Paul Roos could defend against the Boishaai maul. He cleared the idea with former international referee André Watson, who naturally has a good understanding of the law.
Boishaai’s use of the rolling maul from lineouts had been identified as a key attacking weapon that was difficult to defend against. In order to counter it, Paul Roos did not want to bind onto Boishaai’s formation, which would mean that technically a maul had not been formed and would allow Paul Roos then to send in one player to tackle the ball-carrier. If the Boishaai ball-carrier then happened to have teammates in front shielding him from the Paul Roos tackler, it would be obstruction. Equally important to carrying out this tactic successfully, is that Paul Roos players could not leave the lineout. However this Paul Roos strategy would have been risky if the referee interpreted the law differently (incorrectly) and allowed Boishaai to play on.
Therefore on one of the days leading up to the match, Venter arranged a meeting with the referee Quinton Immelman. Although Immelman was not the referee for the Boishaai game, he had been in charge of the Paul Roos versus Wynberg game, a match in which Paul Roos had conceded numerous penalties including a penalty try in their efforts to defend against the maul.
The session to which Immelman was invited was arranged in order to address these issues surrounding defending against the rolling maul (as well as matters to do with the scrum) and how the referee for the school match would interpret it. Immelman used this opportunity as a training run for some of the younger referees that joined him in the session.
As it turned out Boishaai had an attacking lineout in the 34th minute of the match. They went through the motions, catching the ball and setting up a useful pod but were penalised for obstructing the Paul Roos tackler. In a game that ended 17-13, the kind of attention to the details of the law book proved valuable to Paul Roos. Boishaai did however adjust very quickly to this and were not penalised for the same offence again during the second half of the game.
The definition of a maul:
“A maul begins when a player carrying the ball is held by one or more opponents,
and one or more of the ball carrier’s team mates bind on the ball carrier. A maul
therefore consists, when it begins, of at least three players, all on their feet; the
ball carrier and one player from each team.”
A maul can only take place in the field of play – which means once the ball in the maul crosses the goal line the maul has ended.
The most significant impact of a maul is that offside lines come into play for players not in the maul (last mans’ feet).
The maul ends when (Law 17.5):
A maul ends successfully when :
• the ball or a player with the ball leaves the maul
• the ball is on the ground
• the ball is on or over the goal line.
There are numerous ways that a maul can end unsuccessfully (Law 17.6) but mostly relate to the maul becoming stationary or the ball becoming unplayable.
What is most significant is that a maul does not end if the opposition decide to disengage once it has formed and the maul can continue even if the ball carrier is not in front.
The maul can fragment and continue with the ball carrier at the back provided it continues in the same direction. If the maul becomes stationary and the ‘head shears off’ and the tail continues in another direction this is termed “Changing lanes” and is obstruction. The tail can continue in a straight direction however.
The bottom line is this:
1. When the maul is formed, the ball carrier must make first contact with the opposition. From then he can move to the back of the maul or the ball can move to a player at the back of the maul. If the ball carrier breaks his bind the maul ends and if he subsequently joins behind the maul – it is obstruction.
2. If the maul forms with the ball carrier at the back it is clear and obvious obstruction. This is seen often at lineouts where the ball catcher comes down and there are already 2 or 3 players taking out the opposition in front of him. This is obstruction.
What teams also try to do at lineouts is that they do not contest the maul by moving backwards out of the way to try and buy an obstruction penalty. Remember that players cannot leave a lineout until the lineout is over – and a lineout is not over if a maul develops – so referees have been told in that case to penalise the players who leave the lineout.
So from the scenario described: if Paul Roos did not engage the maul but did not leave the lineout – then a maul was not formed. As soon as the Paarl Boys High players were deemed to have left the lineout with the ball carrier obstructed they would concede a penalty for obstruction. If the Paul Roos players ran backwards so as not to engage the maul they would concede a free kick (Law 19.8d) for leaving the lineout.
@tzavosky: no use to complain about illegal binding by 8
Some will view it as shrewd tactics and attention to detail.
Others (like me) are disappointed by so called pioneers of the modern game for whom bending the rules is a means to an end.
I suppose the professional era demands this.
Unfortunately SBR is slowly but surely losing its innocence season after season.
Winning at all cost seems to be the accepted unhealthy norm.
@Proppie: Bru, are you on drugs. Where do you come with this “leave South Africa” rubbish. Where did your fevered brain drag that from. Leave it alone bud, you’ve made your point of view plain, with a little obsession with the sea, but you are now stretching far enough to pull a muscle. I stopped commenting when you made it clear that you knew you were right and anyone that disagreed with you was stupid. I don’t debate under those rules. If you are going to label people moangatte then quote me. You make everything personal, with insults assumptions, not once have I done that. Head for the beach boet, plenty of people to chase into the sea.
You say you would have played for the Boks for free back then. Would you do it now, when it is a job you have to do exclusively.
@Playa: Going back awhile, I was all for the “honour and glory” thing, but that was when the game was amateur. I was opposed to the game becoming professional because I did not believe that it would be in the interests of the game, down to grassroots level and that much honour , which was part of the game, would be lost. That is what set the game apart from others. You only need to have a drink with an old rugby pal or two, to understand what Im saying. But once the rubicon was crossed and the game became pro, that was it. All the honour went out the window- sadly, yet expectedly. And I still believe, that we are yet to pay the price for the conversion.
And this was not his first time and I quote “Just to refresh your memory here is what Springbok coach De Villiers had to say after Steyn withdrew from the Springbok team to play Wales: There has never been tension between Frans and I. The problem involves me and Frans’s agent Gerrie Swart. Gerrie has poisoned Frans’s mind by saying I don’t want him in the Springbok setup, which is far from the truth. It’s because of these lies that Frans does not want to play for the Boks. Two weeks ago, Gerrie sent me an e-mail saying on Frans’s behalf that he doesn’t want to play for the Boks. He also suggested some players I should replace Frans with.”
Jaag die donner die see in.
@Gungets Tuft: It is relevant becuase when I was young enough I would him played for free. For the honour of representing my country.
But tell me why dont you leave South Africa if you are so unhappy. I really wish you lot moangatte will leave so that we that want to stay can get on with life. You guys are like a thief stealing the night from a shop and return the next morning to complain about the quality of the stuf you stole. Moer man look around you and start counting the good stuff South Africa offer you. Stop moaning or bugger off PLEASE.
@Playa: I salute u my brother of another colour. If we can teach your way of thinking to all our other brothers we will live in paradise. I still say chase him in the sea in. He is not worthy beeing called a Springbok. He is forgetting who develped him. Who subsidized his schooling. Who shouted for him when he was a no body. Let us return his favour and forget him. Chase him the sea in I still say. He does not deserve respect from our simple souls.
@BOG: Hence I said I wish him well in his money making efforts. If he places money over honour, that’s his choice. I may not agree with it, but I respect that. In my small little world, a rugby player’s bread and butter is provided for at club or provincial level. Representing your country should be at a stipend or free. But that is not how it works, I get it.
Then again, we don’t have he full story, so I will just wish him well. As for his play, I stick to my opinion. He has been over rated for some time now, I really do not consider his departure a loss. The Boks are better off, play wise IMHO.
@BOG: Thank ie for jou twotalige explainduideliking. Ek appredeer it baie much.
@Speartackle: Miskien het hulle eers in 1991 in Afghanistan, Zim en in SA begin, maar hulle was reeds in die VK en Europa toe ek in 1981 daar aangekom het. What is actually disturbing, is that the salaries offered in the NH, are good, but not all that outrageous for someone who lives there. Its only when those salaries are converted into Rands, when it seems massive, primarily because of the weakness of the Rand
@MikeSt: Ek hoop Beet tug hom of hy moet hom sommer verwyder
@Speartackle: As jy n regte oes gedig soek praat met die Vrystaat manne as jy n ander %o#s een soek praat met daardie ander ontlokkende individu
@MikeSt: Het jy nie n gediggie wat rym met …oes?
@Gungets Tuft: Hahahha, and we don’t even have much in common. I am a realist – When a player can go to England, France or Japan and earn R millions a year, how do we compete, especially when geopolitically we are so unstable. When you are only swapping 2:1 then national pride can be discussed. When you swap 18:1, and face a number of circumstances that cloud your selection, your domicile, then it’s a much harder discussion. In the amateur days you also had to make sacrifices, mainly doing jobs that allowed you off work for long tours etc, but you sacrificed much less. It’s not an easy choice now, despite what everyone says.
And there’s no point raging at the situation because you might think that players are overpaid compared to yourself, who slaves away down the coal mine, and you would be willing to turn out for a pie and gravy and a few beers, that’s not relevant.
Soos die wyse manne se.
Mens antwoord nie n sot op sy dwaashede nie…….
@BOG: Bureau de Change was only established in 1991.
In 1981, I paid R1-69 for a Pound. When I returned in 1987, I walked from Bureau de Change to the next, to purchase Rands (Was illegal) I actually smuggled money INTO the country and I thought that I was making a killing, getting around R3-20. And strangely, things then already had started to become clearer to me. These were the days that you paid $1-40 for a Rand. They called it the “apartheid Rand”. I wonder what an appropriate name would be now? Cheers Cuz
The true reality of the matter is that NZ and AUSTRALIA have acknowledged that the emigration of players to Europe and Japan is a major threat to the future of their domestic rugby and they have put plans in place to counter this. We believe we can live with the situation. Of course we need to pay our domestic players better and put plans in place to lengthen their careers. The AB have done it – they’re world leaders. If we don’t do something urgently we may as well move the SARU HQ to London or Paris and totally ignore what is going on domestically.
@Gungets Tuft: Are you in any way related to Bog?
@Rooibaard: South Africa R18.25 to the GBP and R14.6 to the Euro
NZ – NZ$ 1.96 to the GBP, 1.56 to the Euro
Aus – Aus$ 1.80 to the GBP, 1.44 to the Euro.
Makes us quite unique.
@Rooibaard: Wys jou net…..daai uitsondering op die reel storie is tog waar.
Nee, ongelukkig nie. Bly in die koue Boland.
Ter aanvulling … ons is so behep met die oorsese spelers dat ons plaaslike talent wat ontwikkel kan word nie raaksien nie. Altyd die “ready made” spelers. Wat het geword van die avontuur om Bokke te speel ?
Kom ons stel planne voor ! Om ‘n middeweg te vind – spelers wat vir die Bokke wil speel moet in die Super 15 speel. Dit maak die weg oop vir spelers om met korttermynkontrakte in Japan te gaan speel. Bid jou aan, die Springbok skrumskakel moet eers gekondisioneer word voor hy reg is om een die Walliesers te speel. Wanneer laas het hy kompeterend gespeel ?
@Rooibaard: I salute you……..thank you….at last someone with sense on this rather below average intellectual participant forum.
If I may guess…………..you’re from up north?
Die FS saga bring ‘n saak na vore wat SA rugby moet aanspreek – die wenslikheid om oorsese spelers vir die Bokke te gebruik. Alle sportmanne het die reg om hul vermoens aan die die hoogste bieer te verkoop. Ek het dus geen probleme met enige speler wat oorsee gaan speel vir ‘n groter verdienste nie. Dit gebeur in talle ander beroepe. Dit is egter ‘n besluit wat die speler self neem en hy moet daarmee saamleef. As dit beleid is dat HM onbeperk oorsese spelers mag gebruik, sit elke topspeler wat ons het om praktiese redes oorsee. Watter aanmoediging is daar vir enige speler om hier te speel ? SARU moet die gebruik van oorsese spelers verbied om vir die Bokke te speel om ons plaaslike rugby te beskerm. As al die topspelers oorsee speel, watter rede is daar vir borge om spanne te borg vir die Curriebeker en Super 15 ? Wie gaan geld betaal om minderwaardige spanne te sien speel ? As daardie kraantjie eers toegedraai is, sal al die ontwikkelingsplanne skipbreuk ly. Gaan so ‘n besluit werk ? Korttermyn sal daar probleme wees, maar langtermyn sal dit vir ons ‘n nuwe era van “vibrant” rugby verseker met spelers wat vir die Bokke wil speel. Moet ons dit doen – sonder twyfel. Drie van die vier “super powers” doen dit – All Blacks, Wallabies, Engeland – wat maak ons so uniek.
@Speartackle: Jou vriend die digter is seker ook aan die party………of aan die dig……of dalk dig
Ek is ook nou al besig met my 3de party vandag. Dan moet ek nog 12h30 afslaan en na die tyd begin die groot party
n Derde party het my gholf geborg. Nike het vir my stil-stil n paar Rand in die hand gedruk om NIE met hulle produkte te speel nie.
@PRondersteuner: Ek ken nie die detail nie maar sover ek weet gaan dit oor die “bemarkbaarheid” van FS. Ek aanvaar dat die spelers op Bok-kontrakte slegs sekere produkte, soos deur SARU goedgekeur, mag (waarskynlik MOET) bemark.
As jy wyer / verder wil gaan, word dit deur ‘n derde party hanteer. Die derde party reël dan verdere borgskappe maar teen betaling natuurlik. Ek verstaan egter nie hoe dit hanteer word nie. Hopelik is daar iemand op die blog wat dit kan verduidelik of meer info daaroor kan gee.
Ek dink Boishaaipa kan help maar kan / mag nie eintlik daaroor praat nie.
Ek lees nou in die Volksblad dat dit bleikbaar gaan oor FS se handelsmerkregte. Dit word besit deur ‘n 3de party, maar SARU weier nou om verder daarvoor te betaal. Kan iemand miskien vir my verduidelik waaroor handelsmerkregte gaan? Klink dalk of FS self daarvoor moet betaal.
Om weer van die thread af te neuk. Ek was nog altyd onder die indruk dat ons provinsiale kontrakte die groot geld is en dat die sentrale kontrakte kleingeld is. Die sentrale kontrakte is ook per wedstryd en katogoriee.
Wat sal die spoiled brat Steyn dan so erg hinder dat hy n hele land se span net drop n paar dae voor n toets?. Het hy dalk met Marinos gesels in die verlede, hy het mos al die Stormers voor n semi gedrop.
@BoishaaiPa: 13 under at Royal JHB is brilliant. 66 in 4th round.
@Speartackle: Yes, he did very well in the SA Amateurs as well earlier this year. With all that practice I should hope it works!
@BoishaaiPa: Marco? He is playing very well at the moment I believe. Shows you the Tuks High Performance does work for some.
@Gungets Tuft: That’s why it’s never safe to pay up front. What if you’ve paid and she bites it off?
@Andre T: There are some who know and the rest of us speculate. All I know is that this is not something new that started this week…Its been coming for a while now and it’s more about the how than the what.
BTW..Did you see who won the The Pro Shop Northern Amateur Strokeplay Championship ?…Lost in the semi’s of the Matchplay yesterday.
@Proppie: Comparing a contractual issue between player and union to sexual antics in the church and prostitution … tsk, tsk, tsk.
Why not just put yourself in that position – you worked night shift last night, and put in extra hours. At the end of the month your boss comes to you and gives you a nice letter, thanking you for going the extra mile and for you loyalty, but no cash. You going to pitch up the next day all perky and keen to work??
It was confirmed this morning that it is a contract dispute and they are ironing out the details. Like ou Ploegie says, they always pay … you need to stand firm.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/SARU-clarify-Steyn-air-20140612
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Frans-Steyns-dad-speaks-out-20140612
“Sean erasmus does not have to go anywhere. He is already in the hearts of
the Boishaai family “
Too many ‘thoughts’ by people who think they have business sense. Rather think of it as walking out of a huge project because of a salary dispute. It sounds as if the ‘knowledgable’ here have all read the contract and clauses or are they perhaps ‘friends’ with the agents.
Anyway however, nobody is irreplaceble. Specially not Frankenstein
Just as an afterthought goverment must step in an safe the prostitutes, their career is much shorter with the risk of AIDS, murder and much more. A minimum wage of R 5000 a go seems to be fair. Wonder what you okes will do if she takes your cash and the just unzipped two licks and then decides she does not like her working conditions. Same thing in my twisted minds.
This all is very easy. If a priest jol with the other ladies in the church it is newspaper headlines if I do that I get clapped by my wife and 30 people skinner about it. This situation is not fair poor priest. No he picked a job that put him in public eye. I am just a normal oke with bad manners.
So Frans Steyn picked to be a public figure. He is earning a moerse pay and if he can not makle enough in 10 years to last him a life time he is a poepol. He know about the risks when he picked his job. Every time I go to watch the Boks I pay hard earned mony. Cash. So now it is not right from me expecting loyalty? Not expecting him to wear that jersey with pride? So why the hell do I pay him? There is ways to force SARFU to pay what they promised. You do not walk away in the middel of a test series. He will not last in my circle of friends with manners like that. Chase him in the sea together with all the other oversees players. Chase them.
@Gungets Tuft: I know his agent well and this has been coming for a while now. They are both men of principles and dont like to wash dirty laundry in public. The truth will eventually come out.
@Losbal: OK. So, what’s your opinion on the PRG no8 packing down in an unlawful manner at the back of the scrum on several occasions during the relevant match to protect the ball better for an 8-9 move? Was it also part of Brendan’s brilliant strategy as OK’d by Quinton Immelman?
What do you think?
@Djou: I’m not looking at this on the grounds of previous behaviour of either party, I want to see the facts of this case in black and white, then I can make up my mind.
Let them issue their relevant statements of fact, then everyone knows what’s going on, but you can see the difference of opinion due to the lack thereof.
If you say it’s the truth, please give me a pointer to that truth.
From changing lanes to changing topics.
@tzavosky: It is the truth. As I stated, FS is a very principled and credible person. Can you with all honesty say the same about Saru? If yes, then it is a stand off. If not, then you know where the truth lies.
And your question on why not coming out with the truth? Do you really know of an instance where it actually happened? Recall for instance the statement released when John Smit and John Plumtree parted ways.
@tzavosky: Not assuming that the others are doing it only for national pride, of course they are being paid, and handsomely I hope. FS is a special case in this regard, he came back from overseas, terminating a good contract. Something made him do that. Now he is here, and it looks like agreements are being reneged on, and he has to look on while … how many .. players that have KEPT their overseas contracts are drafted into the squad.
The “guys” I refer to IS all of them. The majority of people feel some sort of ownership, and a lot of people feel like pride should be the over-riding emotion. I think it is – hell, look at their faces when they sing the anthem, it’s not like they are singing “Mary had a little lamb” (thats the Aussies
), it means something to them. But they also need to bear in mind a 10 year career that could end at the next tackle.
Someone mentioned them earning more in a year than the rest of us in a lifetime – sure (well, R250k a year for 45 years is R10 million, and the salary keeps going up, and willing to bet that most people here earn much, much more than that anyway) – but we also expect to carry on earning till we retire, with only slowly declining health. These guys, not so much.
@Djou: “Fact is Frans tried to sort it out before last Saturday and he was told to first focus on the game against the World XV and that it will be sorted out this week.”
Is that the truth, and if so, why is it not being reported as such? Why do both parties just draw a blanket over the issue instead of coming forward with statements of fact? Both sides know this is a huge issue in the public eye, but still they leave everyone in the dark and thus the issue open to speculation.
The way it is being handled is a discredit to both parties, and we can clearly see the result thereof in public discussions.
Gungets: “They are of the opnion that these guys are prima donnas, earn too much, and should perform like circus monkeys for their enjoyment.”
Which “guys”? There is only one guy involved here, the rest seem to be content to play for their country for the same remuneration (presumably) than the unhappy one.
In principle I agree with most of what you say, except for your seemingly suggesting that the 36 players in the group are doing it mostly for national pride. They are all being paid, some maybe more than others, but they’re certainly not doing it for free. Frans included.
@Gungets Tuft: Well said GT – I agree with you 100%
@Gungets: Frans Steyn is a very, very credible person with strong principles. This is not just about money, it is about principles. The truth will come out sometime in the future – and the bloggers jumping to conclusions will have an egg on their face.
@tzavosky: Not taking sides, I am objecting to the principle that because one does your job wearing the national colours then you should put others national pride before your own security and earning capacity. The theory is flawed, we would never have sporting achievers any more, who would sacrifice what these guys do in training, risk, travel, possible public ridicule, if they were never going to get the reward from a career that lasts 10 short years.
Do I like him walking so close to the test series, no, of course not. Do I think that he did it because he had a tantrum, no, not at all. It seems Djou and PRP might know something, and it fits the circumstances. None of that matters, there are bloggers here that leap to the book of insults, knowing as little as we all do, because they are of the opnion that these guys are prima donnas, earn too much, and should perform like circus monkeys for their enjoyment. I dislike that, and am happy to say it.
The real question this issue brought to the fore is:
Can Saru ever be trusted again in future when making promises to any player? As a matter of principle as it goes back to credibility and trustworthiness. Because, if you can’t trust your employer, will you be able to give your best at work? And this principle will affect all the players.
Fact is Frans tried to sort it out before last Saturday and he was told to first focus on the game against the World XV and that it will be sorted out this week.
@Gungets Tuft: As I’ve said, we don’t know enough either way, but despite that people are taking sides, presuming things (you take SARU’s past record into account).
With neither side telling us anything of substance, there remains only one thing that is obvious to all – Frans walked away from the Boks in the middle of a test series.
That part does not sit well with most Bok supporters and untill such time that Frans speaks, or Jurie speaks, or both speak, it will be the only part for those not prepared to work with presumptions.
@Gungets Tuft: For FS dealing with SARU, probably not, but in my world and maybe yours, definitely. It’s the black shiny shoes, seeing your reflection in those black shiny shoes. They always pay.
@Proppie: Not going to dignify that, when you start badly it always ends badly, I stopped at “think with assholes”. My education on advanced towing lets my mind wander a little.
@tzavosky: If you read back you will see me say “there will be Steyn telling his story, SARU telling their story, and the truth will be somewhere in the middle and the truth never speaks for itself.”
The discussion on whether they paid, or reneged on payments, is simply in response to the statement that people should be willing to play for the Boks out of pure pride. That’s nonsense, every next game a rugby player goes into could be his last, he deserves a fair wage, whatever that is. Saru does NOT have a decent record of fair treatment of players, so guess where I am leaning.
@Ploegskaar: If the honcho’s ar Saru act like some of the bloggers here I suspect that it might not be quite that simple.
@Proppie: Duppie/Doppie of wie ookal, as ek jou advies nodig het vir n vakansiebestemming, dan het ek in die toilet gaan soek daarvoor. Ek het nie eers naastenby gekom by die politiek nie- ek het bloot gekyk na die swak Rand en hoe dit impakteer op die rugbyspelers in SA. Dit is soos sake NOU staan- geen bespiegeling of voorspellings nie, maar harde realiteit. Ek kon verder gegaan het met n “voorspelling” met n waarskynlikheid van 98% dat die aandelemarkte gaan ineenstort en die impak daarvan op beleggings en pensioenfondse, Dit het ek vermei. Jy noem almal poeppol, maar kyk in die spieel. Dit is nie elke ou wie so dom is om homself hier te verwelkom onder n ander naam nie.
@Gungets Tuft: You keep on saying SARU screwed him or reneged on a promise.
The question is this – was it a verbal promise or is it written into a contract?
He has an agent, if they went on a verbal promise, not much of an agent if you ask me. If there is a contract stipulating what he apparently claims (we don’t know for sure), he can sue, request mediation or whatever. But there isn’t an immediate need to walk away, unless SARU threatened to never select him again if he goes to court.
At this stage we simply don’t know enough either way.
@PaulRoosPa: @Gungets Tuft: You guys claim a higher education qualifications but think with your assholes. Surely a contract was signed between the people. The contract was not followed so go to the court and solve problem. Everybody got on the case of Affies not respecting agreements but now that this poepol is not happy with his contract he runs away like a baby. What is good for one is good for the other. Tell him to go to the labour court and go cry their. I stay on may point he is a poepol does not respect the jerseys and his country. My grandchild does not even through tantrums like him. And he is only six months old. Chase him in the sea, and put us boerjies to guard the bitch. i am leaving now my skof begins at six. Going to my work and not even getting paid his yearly salary in 15 years. Poepol.
@Gungets Tuft: Hey GT, you never walk away, 50k, 500k, 5 Bar, they always pay, will in fact gladly pay, you just have to ask very, very nicely. Drop me a line next time when someone feels financially incapacitated, will sort you goukyk. They always pay.
@Speartackle: Loyalty works both ways. Players are not junkyyard dogs to be kicked around. If you read, I think it is Francois Pienaars book, might be Teich, they go over the rubbish that the rugby authorities try on with players. I don’t believe Frans feels any less for the bok jersey than the others, he has been badly handled. I can just imagine the pencil-pushers sitting in the gomma-gomma sofa, in theirheated offices, plotting “how this is going to be”. Frans might not fit your view of a patriotic South African, but he is being honest, something lost on the administrators.
I do work for a number of companies. I deliver, they pay. Bargain. If they don’t pay, I walk. Simple. Why is this different, because he wears green and gold to work?
Believe me, I am as disappointed as anyone, but I am also a realist. They screw him now, then straight after his knee gets shredded on the field, at half price, they kick him into touch. Time for the administrators to catch a wake up.
@PaulRoosPa: Hulle moet hom sommer join
@Speartackle: Watter spanmaats? Die wat lekker Euros verdien of die wat nog nie Euros verdien nie?
@Proppie: Nou gaan vertel vir al die mense hulle moet ‘n 50% pay cut vat, begin sommer by jouself en terwyl julle besig is sing sommer Ons vir jou Suid Afrika.
@BoishaaiPa: Baby Blacks gaan presies dieselfde doen in die semis.
@Proppie: Is dit sy pakket?
Die Stem se dinges dan……….Eerder Chris de Burgh dan……….Just another poor boy….aaaahhhaaa…….just another poor boy…….and they hung him on a hillside far away………on the the ground she lay
@PaulRoosPa: MMMM met 6mil ‘n jaar gaan ek ok honger ly.
Back to the artickle…It seems Somao read the same memo as PRG as they did they same against the Bokkies…If the “starter” carrier of the maul realizes quickly enough that there is no opposition and doesnt move the ball back..he can gain valuable metres driving with his forwards at his back!
@PaulRoosPa: Dan moet hy maar n real job gaan soek
@PaulRoosPa: Okay, wat van sy spanmaats wat hy drop? Oor geld? Nee wat. Mens hol nie net weg. Nie in die middel van die week nie. Eks seker SARU is nie so useless dat hulle so oneerlik sal wees. Jy weet met Oscar het die storietjies lankal begin.. Selfde hier. Nie van vandag af probleempies nie. Primadonnas.
@Speartackle: Ons vir jou Suid Afrika gaan nie kos op my tafel sit nie.
@Speartackle: Jy kan my niks vertel van ons vir jou Suid Afrika nie, ek is hier en gaan nog lank hier wees. Het ook my deel gedoen met geweer in die hand, maar as jy ‘n man wil kom staan en verneuk moet jy nie lojaliteit verwag nie. Moenie toelaat dat die gesprek polities raak nie.
@PaulRoosPa: Te moer seker met……ons vir jou Suid Afrika ???????
Frans is gevra om SA toe te kom en Super 15 te speel, daar is per kontrak aan hom RX belowe nou by betaal tyd is dit skielik RX-50%. Ek sal hulle nie eers groet nie sal net loop! Hy kon soos al die ander manne in Europa gebly het en vir die Bokke kom speel het en geen haan sou gekraai het daaroor nie. Ek is met Frans op die een, hoekom lojaal wees aan iemand wat jou in die rug steek!
Ek weet nie al die besonderhede nie, maar sy pa het ook gese dat dit gaan oor beloftes wat SARU nie nagekom het nie. Ek gee nie om hoeveel jy betaal word of nie betaal word nie. JY DRAAI NIE JOU RUG OP ‘n SPRINGBOKTRUI NIE!!!!!!!!
Hoekom het Pieter de Villiers so gesukkel om hom te kry om vir die Springbokke te kom speel. Verskeie kere Frankryk toe gevlieg om sy gat te lek. Die probleem kom al lankal met hom. Soos @Proppie se: Wie de hel dink hy is hy?
In my opinie is hy nie eens die 3de beste binnesenter wat ons het nie.
@PaarlBok: En as jy geld jaag tickets jy word nie gekies vir die All Blacks nie. Finish and klaar.
@Proppie: Baie geldige punt wat jy maak oor die All Blacks. Daai spelers speel nog vir die jersey en die silwer varing. Hoe dink jy moet Brussouw voel? Hy moes die eerste naam in daai span gewees het, maar nee hulle gaan kies eerder vir chicken runner Flo of n has been soos Schalk Burger.
@PaarlBok: Viva Paarlbok Viva. Die klein stront vergeet wie het hom ontwikkel, watter land het hom groot gemaak. Jaag hom die see in. Hy het geen DUNLOP vir sy land nie. Die woord Dunlop bestaan nie in sy taal nie. Ek se kies ons eie mense los die draadkruipers daar waar hulle is. Laat hulle weer aansoek doen vir RSA burgerskap as hulle wil terugkom en tax dan die kak uit hulle uit. Dit is hoekom die All Blacks deesdae ons baas is – hul trots vir die land, trui en die spelers om hom. Hierdie rubbish het geen DUNLOP nie. Niks Boggerol. Jaag die gemors die see in se ek.
Ek stem saam dat die gulsiges saam Bog daar in die buiteland gaan wegkruip. Ons het hulle nie nodig nie. Ons speel met seuns wat van graad 1 af gesing het ….’ ons vir jou Suid Afrika’…..en dit ter harte geneem het. Nie hierdie meneertjies wat te groot is vir hul skoene of weghol omdat hy nie gekies gaan word nie. En dit geld ook sommer vir al die afrigters, dokters, rekenmeesters en wie ookal gefokkof het en nogsteeds wil eiertjies le oor wat hier aangaan.
Skeur julle paspoorte op en moet nooit weer eers n groen onderbroek dra nie.
Hang hulle op in eensame tronkselle
aan hulle bra strappe of tampontoutjies
@Gungets Tuft: I know the initial feeling will be that Frans isn’t loyal to the Boks etc but as you have explained somebody at SARU made promises that weren’t kept.
Every professional player needs to make provision for his future. Frans is a sought after player worldwide and therefore he could make certain demands before he returned to SA. The Sharks couldn’t foot the total bill and therefore SARU stepped in with an offer as well.
I’d like to hear some comments from Jurie Roux and co. IMO they are to blame for the withdrawal of Frans but now they are very quiet about the matter.
Grootste probleem wat ek met Spoiled Brat Steyn het, watter span speler wag tot in die week om nee te sê vir n Bok trui? Stem ook saam dat Meyer moet ophou chicken runners moet kies. Ons wil ons eie rugby sterre sien speel in SA, geen wonder die bywoningsyfers is so swak deesdae nie. Dis ‘n vicious cycle die.
@Gungets Tuft: I understand what you’re saying and it’s most probably the absolute truth but………if the Bok emblem or any national emblem is not worth to play for anymore then we might as well take it away. If money is then the main objective then let’s go that way.
If ABSA is the national sponsors then let’s play in a red KES jersey and call ourselves Today Tomorrow Together Knights or if Dogmor is the sponsor then we’ll play in dogshit coloured jumpers and call ourselves Madiba’s Punjab Whippets.
If money is the problem….go and play for Toulon or Ishikawa …………nothing wrong with that but to desert your national team shows your true colours.
Rugby is professional yes and players do it for a living but it’s still a sport.
@Proppie: I agree with Bog. It’s not as simple as “sport” any more. Saru uses the players as commodities to earn money via sponsorship, advertising, promotions etc. The Admin boykies certainly don’t do it for nothing, or there would not be the kick, bite and scratch going on come election time. Someone made the oke a promise and didn’t deliver, would you keep confidence in an employer that did that to you, and other employers were beating your door down to hire you, AND if the next time you pitch up to work you could end up too disabled to work again.
Honour, glory, recognition, all nice and touchy-feely stuff, but it doesn’t replace the rubber on the wheelchair.
We don’t know what happened, we can only put ourselves in his position once we know the facts, and the truth, she is tjoepstil ….
@BOG: Poepol ons het mos al lankal gese wat jy moet doen met al die stront wat jy praat. Pokkof uit ons land en laat ons in ons eie ellendes jol. Vat sommer Steyntjie saam. Jou soort is nerens welkom nie. Verstaa jy.
@BOG: Is this your only indicator for the day or do you perhaps have any real time threats that we should be aware of?
@Playa: Do you and “Shadowman” work for mahala? If so, great. If not, and I suspect this to be the case, then how can you criticise Frans Steyn? He has a few short years to generate an income for his entire life and the way I know SARU, they have probably reneged on an agreement when they enticed him away from Metro. If SARU only selects players in SA, they will soon have to start selecting U 23 players, because as things stand now, they will be the only ones left playing in SA. If Standard and Poor, downgrades SAs credit rating, the Rand will weaken even further. If they dont do it this week, it will happen in 3 months time. Google “SA debt clock”- its increasing by R3700 per second. This all, contributes to the outflow of players.
@Gungets Tuft: Styuntjie story will only be read, after he was paid, in the Huisgenoot. Being a Springbok is suposed to be the highest step on te ladder. But no this poepol decides his pay is to low. Rather give me a boy who wants to play than a commie who put his own wallet if front of the countries pride. I say again chase him away into the sea. Heyneke must be forced to only play local guys. Away with all the oversees has beens. Away.
@Proppie: I don’t think we know the whole story yet. As they say in the classics, there will be Steyn telling his story, SARU telling their story, and the truth will be somewhere in the middle and the truth never speaks for itself.
@PaarlBok: Nogal interesting dat die manne van Grey nou die voorbokke is daar by die Saarks. Ek se as jy nie in die Republiek jol nie vlieg in den maai. Ons maak julle groot, kyk julle rugby dra by tot julle ontwikkeling en dan wil julle gatswaai. Jaag die donner die see in.
oompb-elmo wolfaardt nou hulpafrigter-Sean Erasmus die hoof breier
@Proppie: Dis Bog se laaitie daai. Al die tekens is daar. Hoop hy kom nooit weer naby n Bok trui nie.
Samoa het dieselfde gedoen teen die Bokkies. Het gisteraand weer die wedstryd gekyk en dink nog steeds Boishaai het BAIE goed gespeel en voel jammer vir Elmo. As hulle lesse geleer het uit die wedstryd gaan hulle dalk net vorentoe beweeg. PRG het teen Grey droog gemaak, en pluk nou die vrugte van n baie dure les.
@Proppie:
I was shocked…then I started laughing. Seriously, the man has been below par for the last 3 years at least.He will not be missed by me.I wish him well in his money making journey.
@PRondersteuner: @Playa: @PaulRoosPa: What do you okes think of this Steyntjie at the Boks. An absulute robbish this boy. And then the story from Jake the snake people not admiring him enough who the hell does he think he is. Naas Botha. Nee magtig man.
Quinton Immelman, hey?
@PaulRoosPa: I was too bored to notice.
Did the World XV not also do this on Saturday?
Brilliant strategy! Rassie Erasmus used it to great effect when he coached the Cheetahs some years back.
P.S. Griffy – I hope you’re reading this
When I saw it on Saturday, I suspected it was a planned move. On Sunday it was confirmed to me. Very clever Brendan Venter. I wonder if it will be used by other (senior) teams?