This interesting table showing how the Affies 1st XV of the last 20 seasons matched up against each other purely in terms of their final record of games played, games won and tries scored is compliments of the excellent website: www.affiesrugby.co.za which is a must visit site for all Affies old boys and supporters.
It’s definitely not the be-all-and-end-all of deciding which team was better than all others. For a more accurate result, a far more detailed exercise taking the relative strengths and weaknesses of opponents as well as the scores of matches played would have to be completed. So for now this table gives an idea of who the best teams were.
The outstanding Affies team of 2013 went through unbeaten and according to our BHP ranking system they were the second best team in the country after Paarl Gim. However just look at the achievement of the Affies 1996 side – unbeaten in 25 games and only conceded 5 tries the whole season
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RANK |
YEAR |
P |
W |
W% |
TF |
TA |
TD |
|
1 |
1996 |
25 |
25 |
100% |
36 |
5 |
31 |
|
2 |
2013 |
14 |
14 |
100% |
41 |
13 |
28 |
|
3 |
2001 |
23 |
23 |
100% |
32 |
10 |
22 |
|
4 |
2002 |
23 |
22 |
96% |
32 |
14 |
18 |
|
5 |
1997 |
22 |
21 |
95% |
34 |
10 |
24 |
|
6 |
1995 |
25 |
23 |
92% |
24 |
11 |
13 |
|
7 |
1999 |
26 |
23 |
88% |
32 |
11 |
21 |
|
8 |
2011 |
16 |
14 |
88% |
41 |
10 |
31 |
|
9 |
2012 |
15 |
13 |
87% |
30 |
15 |
15 |
|
10 |
2007 |
15 |
13 |
87% |
23 |
13 |
10 |
|
11 |
1998 |
22 |
19 |
86% |
36 |
16 |
20 |
|
12 |
2000 |
25 |
21 |
84% |
32 |
12 |
20 |
|
13 |
2010 |
18 |
15 |
83% |
37 |
13 |
24 |
|
14 |
2006 |
24 |
19 |
79% |
24 |
17 |
7 |
|
15 |
1994 |
22 |
17 |
77% |
28 |
13 |
15 |
|
16 |
2004 |
20 |
15 |
75% |
32 |
13 |
19 |
|
17 |
2008 |
14 |
10 |
71% |
29 |
16 |
13 |
|
18 |
2005 |
22 |
15 |
68% |
28 |
16 |
12 |
|
19 |
2009 |
15 |
10 |
67% |
27 |
17 |
10 |
|
20 |
2003 |
21 |
13 |
62% |
20 |
17 |
3 |
Affies Fixtures 2014
| DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | FESTIVAL/CUP | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 15/03/2014 | Affies | Menlopark | |||
| 20/03/2014 | Affies | Helpmekaar | |||
| 12/04/2014 | Waterkloof | Affies | |||
| 17/04/2014 | Selborne | Affies | Kearsney Easter Rugby Fest | ||
| 19/04/2014 | Affies | Monument | Kearsney Easter Rugby Fest | ||
| 21/04/2014 | Affies | HTS Middelburg | Kearsney Easter Rugby Fest | ||
| 28/04/2014 | Affies | Paarl Gim | Wildeklawer Super Skole | ||
| 30/04/2014 | Affies | Oakdale | Wildeklawer Super Skole | ||
| 10/05/2014 | Affies | Grey College | |||
| 17/05/2014 | KES | Affies | |||
| 24/05/2014 | Affies | Centurion | |||
| 31/05/2014 | Jeppe | Affies | |||
| 07/06/2014 | Affies | Eldoraigne | Beeld | ||
| 14/06/2014 | Garsfontein | Affies | Beeld | ||
| 26/07/2014 | Maritzburg College | Affies | |||
| 02/08/2014 | Affies | Glenwood | |||
| 09/08/2014 | Affies | Pretoria BH |
Seeing as this post is about Affies…..
The fastest schoolboy rugby player i ever saw in person was Gerhard van den Heever. Glenwood lost 48 – 10 i think that day, that kid was lightning quick.
@Grasshopper: I don’t know what his 100m time was offhand (I’m sure I can find out) but at school he did not look off the pace in a back three with Mark Richards and Ruan Combrinck on the wings and centres Pat Howard, Rob and Murray de Bruyn who were all 11sec or quicker guys.
I’m not suggesting that he is quick enough to play wing by any stretch – these days all the wings at U19 CC level run 10.5! I am simply saying that he is quicker than he appears and I’ve never seen him caught out for lack of pace at 15.
@meadows: mate, that was not exactly Mvovo at full tilt. Anyway, he fine for a flyhalf but not a fullback or wing. I reckon he probably does 100m in 12 secs..
@Grasshopper: If he was that slow he would have been nowhere near Mvovo in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3aFW1ntWQ
@Queenian: And a Namibian, Frankie Fredricks :-)
@RBugger: Yep, again last minute and Glenwood’s first loss at home against KZN opposition in like 3 years, well done to Kearsney..
@meadows: Boet, Lambie is pedestrian…..one of the slowest flyhalves I have ever seen. I would love to see the 60m sprint times for the Sharks squad. Lambie finds gaps well and then puts quicker players away……
@Grasshopper: Pat Lambie had that ability to “glide” effortlessly through space as a schoolboy. He is a lot quicker than many people seem to think he is – possibly because of his relaxed running style.
at the end of the day there is no substitute for pace at any level
For those interested. Excuse me if this has been put up before. List of all boks and their schools. Amazing that Kimberly Boys High School boasts 19 Springboks!!!
http://www.schoolsportsnews.co.za/rugby/springboks-by-school-rugby/list-of-springboks-and-their-schools/
As for the endurance’s runners they come mainly from Kenya/Eithopia and Morrococo
The 10 second barrier has been broken 3 times by African’s all 3 of those been Nigerian as far as I know the African record is 9,89
This is suppose to be a discussion about Affies 2014 season but swings to a topic about the fastest 100 meter sprinter in KZN schools., talk about changing the topic. Beet don’t you want to start a topic headed “fastest sprinter in KZN schools” so these guys can go crazy….
@Grasshopper: Let’s just say it was a great game of rugby and the best team won on the day (without the Doops) but that is history, KC won…
What happened in 2012 – that game was at Glenwood against a very young KC team, KC won that to?? AT GW HOME
Just winding you up man – it means nothing now, in the past
Interesting article about managing players workload, I bet school kids are playing more and are not professional; http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/5-boks-to-handle-with-care-in-super-rugby-competition
@RBugger: with their best team in history…
@RBugger: That was last year and Lines was a great player, EW Viljoen from Grey was similar but better. Those sorts of players make it look like the gliding and quicker when in fact they probably not. Let’s just say this year the team is quick! Remember Kearsney won in the last minute…at home…
@Grasshopper: Your whole backline run under 11 seconds, NO WAY! I heard the same story last year and could not help smiling as Chris Lines glided past your backline time and time again
@Grasshopper: Ja, but don’t forget that slavery, for all it’s horrors, was re first and possibly only successful social engineering episode in human history. Come to Africa, take the biggest, strongest, healthiest people you can find, put them in a ship where only 50% of them survive, then you can expect to have the healthiest and strongest genetic stock around. Not trying to spin a shocking episode in history, but result has been what you see on the cricket fields, gridiron and baseball diamonds.
I am no social anthropologist, but it makes sense to me.
I reckon if you had to get parents to pay as much attention to athletics in the kids early years as they do soccer, ballet and other mainstream sport, we would have results. You see parents liking up frontier sports, athletics, nowhere
@Gungets Tuft: Even an Australian has dipped under 10secs, Patrick Johnson at 9.93. Matt Skivington a white Australian went down to 10.03. Actually, has a white ever dipped under 10secs?
@Gungets Tuft: African Americans are from West Africa, they are built quick…same with the Carribean blacks. Surely, we have some with genes like that? OR not?
@Grasshopper: Not really. Africans are noted for their endurance, not their speed. When you think how Africans dominate the middle and long distance world, I can live with that.
I wonder though, how much of our inability to match the world consistently in athletics is due to isolation, then a utter dogs breakfast of administration since then, with the coffers being pillaged by successive usurpers. Ongoing even now. Diabolical. When I was road running I spent time at club management level and the amount of #$!% that went down even then – 80’s and 90’s – was terrible.
Or perhaps it is just that athletics never hit the radar. Even when I was at school I needed a physical threat before I did any athletics. I could have been a handy middle distancer, as I found out later in life, but swimming, water polo, rugby was the thing. I dunno …
@Gungets Tuft: I can’t believe not one Saffa has broken 10secs, crazy!
@Roger: No, 10.06 is the closest by Johan Rossouw and Simon Magakwe. Remember that Nash was hand timed so his hand timed record still stands.
@Roger: Seoul in 1988. Came 5th in the 5000. Was world record holder at 1500 for a short while. Ended up in jail in SA for fraud and theft. Out now.
@Gungets Tuft: @meadows: btw – has a Saffer ever broken Nash’s record and run under 10?
@Gungets Tuft: which Olympics did Maree compete at? I remember Budd vs Decker(?) at LA Olympics I think – where Decker tripped and Budd faded badly
@Roger: Sydney Maree took American citizenship, competed at the Olympics.
Johan Fourie really missed out, could have competed against Coe and Ovett.
@meadows: Nash was one of SA’s greatest. It was a real pity he and so many others could never test themselves against the best. So many SA athletes and swimmers missed out – remember Sydney Maree, Johan Fourie, Zola Bud etc
@meadows: Yeah, but those times were not at school. Matt Quinn’s best time was 10.08. I reckon the Glenwood backline this year all run under 11 secs…
@Roger: We won all three. Close games with Kearsney and Selborne. Slightly more comfortable win over Kingswood.
@Grasshopper: I think that MHS must have the sprinting bragging rights with Paul Nash. The only South African to, albeit jointly, hold the world 100m record which he equaled 4 times at 10.0 secs in 1968 at the age of 21 He held the record jointly with the American Jim Hines who won gold at the ’68 Olympics in Mexico in a time of 9.95. Nash as a South African was of course unable to compete.
@Grasshopper: Maybe they are quicker on the highveld. Karp I remember well – at PBHS and nobody was within 5 meters of him – record still stands today. Warren McCann I remember well too – played for RAU and Tvl on the wing – super quick. The Springbok stats say both James Small and Pieter Hendricks ran a 10.5 PB – maybe not on grass though
@RBugger: yes, Glenwood played PBHS in 2000 winning 26-9, I think it was away. We had a very good side that year, playing 30 odd games and only losing 1 and drawing 1. Not sure they played in 2001..
@Roger: 10.5 at school on grass seems a little unbelievable but will trust you on this one. Matthew Quinn, SA 100m athlete went to Pinetown in the 90’s when I was at Glenwood regularly ran 10.7 on grass but actually came 2nd to now Glenwood 2nd team coach Attila Dudas. I think the Glenwood 100m record is still held by Dennis Baronet at 10.59 on grass. I don’t think Brian was that quick, could be wrong…
@beet: My son played 26 1st team games at school, 7 club games, regional trials, DRSU trials and 9 DRSU games – making a total of 44 games in just more than 6 months (average of almost 7 per month).
He was dead tired after everything finished.
i could be mistaken about 2001, i finished matric in 2000 and assumed that Glenwood and PBHS played a return fixture in 2001.
@Woltrui: I should, I have just been away so long and to date, have not seen one PBHS game since leaving school – due to living abroad and then commuting between Cape Town and Durban.
So I can’t really comment on Boys High games as I do not get to see them sadly
@Dixon: Thanks for sending this, like I said, I was injured in 2000 and did not play the entire season, so missed this game and do not even remember the school going up.
However, I played the entire 2001 season and I know we did not play Glenwood..
@RBugger:
http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/node/3056
best i can find at the moment
@Kes Dutchie: assuming you won all three games handsomely
@RBugger: @Grasshopper: Karp from PBHS ran 10.5 on grass in 1986 at Interhigh. Warren McCann from Jeppe 1985 and James Small both ran 10.5 as well. Simon Berridge (KES 1982) I think still holds the 200 meter record 20 something
@RBugger: Ai Bugger. Shouldn’t Mr Beet change that avatar of yours to a Candy stripe Boys High avatar. Or since you’re a Pretoria boytjie, what about a nice Blue Bulls camo avatar?
@Grasshopper: You are clued up with regards to Glenwood – please confirm we did not play in 2001? Even 2000, I do not think we played
@Grasshopper: The winning time at Affies that day (2000) was around 10.7
@Dixon: I can assure you we did not play Glenwood, most certainly not in 2001 – I was injured for a few games in 2000, but still, I do not remember us going up to Glenwood.
One thing for certain, we did not play in 2001 – show me the fixture list and score etc
@Kes Dutchie: Just out of interest, what is the KES 100m record? I reckon anything under 10.8 is incredibly quick, especially on grass…
i meant 100 and 200 metres. Would be odd if he specialised in 100 and 2000 metres.
@RBugger: Yes he was an athlete. Incredibly quick, as we all know. It could have been him that won the event but I think he was second fastest in KES in 2000. Justin Irwin won most of the 100 and 2000 meter races.
@RBugger:
Glenwood and Pretoria Boys High played a full fixture in Durban in 2000 and a return fixture in Pretoria in 2001.
@Kes Dutchie: I must admit, I never knew who Habana was and when I was told I ahd played against him, I was surprised, as I really could not picture him in my head.
Having said that, he is my age and must have started school a year early, as he should have matrciculated in 2001 – he must have been 17 when he finished at Kes.
I think he may have been an athlete though? I remember a sprint meet and a Kes guy won the event (at Affies, think it was 2000) – do you know if it was him?
@RBugger: Yes indeed
He was however moved to the wing in 2000 being his final year and only played one game at scrumhalf against Jeppe. Think he may have played a game or two at center as well that year.
@Roger: I am actually a PBHS old boy. I played against Matt and he was a beast of a player – scored a great try against us in 2001
@Kes Dutchie: 2000 – so you played with Habana, the scrum half
@Roger & RBugger: I was in that KES side of 2000. Had tough games against Kearsney, Selborne and Kingswood that year.
@Queenian: Hey I did not know that you Queenians could play squash I see they were the only team at the St Andrews Bloem tournament to win all 5 match they beat Grey PE/Grey Bloem/Maritzburg College/St Albans and Parktown and they one all there games 5-1.
@RBugger: did you play with Matt Stevens? I think it was 2000 when KES played Kearsney at the St Johns Festival and Kearsney had a massive pack (incl Stevens) – were you in that team?
@Grasshopper: Remember a article done by Tim Noakes and another fellow who believed while a kid was growing they believed a max of 15 games a year should be played as they said with all the contact training going in as well that would account for 30 games.
I do believe that anything more than 15 to 17 games is pushing the window I do believe the will to win at all costs by schools and parents damages kids growth to some extent with all the bad injuries we get these days.
@RBugger: That was one of College’s two losses in 2001 (5-20), also lost against GCB (14-17), and the same the next year (Affies 19-20, GCB 17-32).
@Bwana: Bizarre that as we used to host PBHS and they hosted us for the annual Pentagular athletics, relations were very good, but that was when Maher was headmaster. We have hosted Grey Bloem and Affies successfully can’t see why we couldn’t host PBHS or KES successfully too…
Boys High did play the boys from Glenwood but only lasted a year (2000). Sources told me years ago it was due to the hosting or lack thereof by TK to the legend that is Mr Schroder from Boys High.
@Dixons: PBHS, are you referring to Pretoria Boys High?
We certainly did not play against Glenwood – we played, Kearsney, M College and Michael House, but never Glenwood?
@Beet: 2001 Affies team, my year, were also a fantastic side, also unbeaten – but we came very close
@beet: It’s crazy, would love to hear what Tim Noakes thinks of all this. The schools are under pressure to play the best to attract the kids in grade 8. The school would look less attractive if they suddenly pulled out of a Paarl Gim, Affies, Paul Roos or Boishaai fixture. Headmasters have a tough job here to combine traditional fixtures and some against other provinces top schools. For me the festivals are where these other provincial schools should be played and play more local derbies, less travel and less cost. Glenwood play about 5 games too many per season hence why they battle against some, 7 games in a month sometimes..
@Beet
absolute madness!!!
but i will say that if you factor in all the travelling that Grey do just to play normal fixtures, it makes their results even more impressive!!!
@Dixon’s: I was talking to a Grey College official the other day and the topic of no. of games came up. As one of the main feeder schools of the Blue Bulls youth week teams, Affies are in a similar position to Grey. When one adds on school trials, youth week trials, provincial warm-up games, youth week games and for some even SA Schools games, it’s a hectic season of 30+ games for the top SBR players. In the Free State’s it’s also not uncommon for Grey boys to play FS u19 so possibly factor in another 4-5 games for those kids.
@Dixon’s: Ah 2000, that was a great year for us. However, heard we played like 33 fixtures including a tour. Robbie Harris and Shaun Manning’s year if I remember correctly…
applause to Affies if they reduced the 1st XV fixtures for the benefit of the boys!
@Grasshopper
I think the PBHS fixture list is full with regards to playing KZN Schools, they play home and away with College and play Westville. I remember the first out of province full school fixture that Glenwood played was against PBHS in Durban in 2000. It was a fantastic experience, i finished in 2000 so i never got to go on the return fixture to Pretoria in 2001 (my furthest away fixture was Michealhouse)
@Gungets Tuft: No Affies not playing soccer yet. Pity, know a lot of boys who have a interest in soccer. Waterkloof started playing soccer so hopefully it won’t be long till we have a Kloof Affies soccer derby
Hi Beet. Thanks, very interesting article. The 2013 team played 11 matches less than the 1996 team but scored 6 tries more!! The only other team to score more than 40 tries in a season were the brilliant 2011 side.
12/4 to 10/5. What a month for the Pretoria Boitjies. Taking on the best from NV, WP, EP and Greystaat. Kloof, Selborne, Monnas, HTS, Paarl Gim, Oakdale and Grey Bloem.
@Dixon’s: Common sense?
Or the growth of other sports like soccer. Do Affies play soccer – too lazy to check
@Dixon’s: I think Affies wanted to focus on playing schools that can give all their sides a game and also traditional fixtures. Glenwood is not a traditional fixture for them but Glenwood can put out 28 teams on a day and only an 8 hr bus trip away. I honestly don’t think Glenwood is competitive enough so would prefer a fixture with PBHS, but hey I don’t arrange the fixtures. Also, 25 in a season if far too much for teenage boys, the ideal is between 14 and 18.
Can anyone in the know explain the drastic decrease in the number of fixtures? 25 in the mid 90’s to 14 last season?
Cut and paste of the 1996 side;
Voor: Suegnet Meyer (fisioterapeut), Eugéne Marx, Dr. C. Kriek (afrigter), Charl Els (kapt), Dr. P. Edwards (hoof), Gerrie vd Merwe, Mnr. A. vd Walt (afrigter), Nicolaas Alberts, Elna Botha (fisioterapeut)
2 de ry: Jannie Booysen, Hendrik Davel, Ernst Blom, Skipper Badenhorst, Theo Erasmus, Philip vd Walt, Robert van Wyk, Johan Roets, Eduard Coetzee, Fanie Serfontein
3 de ry: Gavin van Zyl, Jannie Gouws, Tiaan Snyman, Ian v Heerden, Sarel Eloff, Peter Laubscher, Ettiene Raymond, Enslin Davel, Sas van der Merwe
Inlas: Rudolf Jonker
Afwesig: Dr. D. de Klerk, Dr. B. Basson
Nie op foto: Dewald Böhmer, Andre Cloete, Dennis Koekemoer, Gerhard Moller, Jacques vd Westhuizen, Deon Visser.
That 1996 side was immense and the Affies site is brilliant! Done by some stats guy for sure. I’m trying to get the Glenwood crowd to do the same..