Edited. Okay so your probably wondering what this is all about. Very simple, KZN schools versus English medium Gauteng Schools, eleven games, one on one with the aim to assign all-important bragging rights at the end of the season to the region that wins the most games.
Having heard this banter before by now, something might have triggered in the left side of your brain, leading you to work out how the name “Grogper” is derived. Yip! Think of two SBRers who have been at each other for a couple of years now. One constantly points out how KES fails to arrange a fixture list with enough meaningful challenges, preferring the comfort of the perceived to be weaker traditional Gauteng English school derbies; while the other one happily points to the fact that most KZN students have gone through the better part of high school not knowing what it’s like for a local school to actual beat KES.
Unfortunately the Jeppe-DHS game and after last year’s demolition KES-DHS appears to be a thing of the past but there is thankfully one newly formed relationship: Pretoria Boys High and Westville square off on the 20th of April.
Talking immediate though, there are two games coming up this weekend: Jeppe vs Northwood and Pretoria Boys High vs Maritzburg College.
Jeppe is no pushover this season. The scoreline of 24-16 suggests that Noord-Kaap found them difficult to put away at the Maritzburg College 150th Festival. Jeppe then backed it up with a 20-12 victory over Queens at the same festival. They however found the going tough than expected in the wet against Rondebosch, going down 21-5 in the end. Northwood can therefore expect a backlash of note this Saturday and will do well to stay in this game for the full 70 minutes.Northwood recently made it through to the final of the Vryheid Festival where they lost 17-10 to local school Pionier.
Pretoria Boys High has also been going along quite nicely this year. They picked up respectable victories against SACS (23-10) and Bishops (20-15) before running a strong St Andrews (Grahamstown) team very close at 20-22. Home ground advantage against College will count for something but it might not be that much. College seems to have a better all-round game this season. Pleasing to see is a bit of big ball-carrying making metres around the fringes of rucks and potentially providing their backs with a less congested defensive midfield. At their recent festival College battled their way to a huge morale boosting victory against Grey PE (18-10) and a creditable draw against Noord-Kaap (22-22). Those are two games that would have grown the self-belief tremendously. They did however fail to fire when they handed a few reserves starts against a very determined Queens outfit (23-34), so although the potential is there, College needs to guard against complacency as well.
St Davids got Gauteng off to a good start with a 17-6 home win against St Charles. St Albans backed that up with a useful 26-25 victory over Hilton. With both up and coming fixtures set to take place in Gauteng, the possibility exists that they could extend their lead over the weekend.
| DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 16/03/13 | St Davids | 17 | 6 | St Charles |
| 01/04/13 | St Albans | 26 | 25 | Hilton |
| 13/04/13 | Pretoria BH | 25 | 23 | M. College |
| 13/04/13 | Jeppe | 33 | 24 | Northwood |
| 20/04/13 | Westville | Pretoria BH | ||
| 04/05/13 | KES | Westville | ||
| 04/05/13 | Parktown | DHS | ||
| 18/05/13 | M. College | KES | ||
| 18/05/13 | St Stithians | Kearsney | ||
| 25/05/13 | St Johns | Michaelhouse | ||
| 27/07/13 | M. College | Pretoria BH |
@Tjoppa: Don’t think they have lost one yet this season…… Also one of the few schools that would rather wannabee the top dog in Paarl than wannabee the top dog in the country, if you ask me. Could actually not care either way and would much rather have had Landbou perform well or just win a game for a change. At the moment there is a bigger likelihood of growing a third nipple between my eyes it would seem, but will go support them against the mighty Wynberg side oppie Plaas Saturday.
@Tjoppa: Gim have not lost a game this year so far..Come early August I hope it is still the case ..they can then drop that little game in the Paarl..
@Ploegskaar: Gym already lost a game. Are they not just wannabee’s AGAIN this year
@BoishaaiPa: Hmm, early days, two tough games out of the way, and with the quality/category weight strength of opposition still to play just in the WC and at Wildeklawer, there are many permutations for Boishaai and the other contenders. Saturday’s “upsets” in the SACS/BL and PRG/Bishops games are the first of many to follow in my opinion, the South has risen again, so you never know how the cards may fall. No doubt that Outeniqua, P/Gim, Affies, Waterkloof and GCB are the main contenders at the moment though.
@Ploegskaar: Dont think it will be Boishaai this year..we will most probably be Top 10 at least if all goes well. Gim does look pretty good.
@BoishaaiPa: Correct, Brandwag looks especially good this year. With regards to regions, you are right, but I tend to look at the EC as a whole, just as with the WC, which will ensure that the top school will once again be from the WC this year, be it Outeniqua, Gim or Boishaai
@Ploegskaar: Dont forget Brandwag….But tradionally it is only Grey PE that falls under EP..Selborne, Dale, Queens, St Andrews were all Border schools in my days…
@JeppeRugbyFan: I don’t see Northwood beating Westville, College, Glenwood or Hilton. They have already lost heavily to Kearsney and a closer one the Michaelhouse so that would put them 7th. They will beat Port Natal and George Campbell though. However rugby is a strange game and they could surprise a few at home. Lets hope not Glenwood again…..our boys will be prepared this time….
@NW_Knight: Agreed, this Northwood side is not to be underestimated and I certainly don’t think they will end 7th this year.
You right about the last 10mins where the game could have gone either way. It’s fair to say that the altitude would have had an effect because the Northwood boys definitely took strain in the last few minutes. What does impress me with this years Jeppe side though is that they seem to be a lot more composed than in previous years where we always seemed to loose the close games.
@Westers: Good luck for the weekend. It should be a very good game because from what I have heard PBHS have a very good side again this year. I’m surprised that PBHS only beat MC by 2 points although the MC backline looked very good at the Festival and I suspect it was their backs that kept them in the game. Boys High would definitely have had the ascendancy in the forward department but it would be interesting to hear from one of the MC supporters who were at the game.
@Gungets Tuft: yep, us souties definitely get the raw deal on these fixtures. Much easier coming to the coast than up to the highveld. 9 hrs on a bus also does not help at all. Anyway good luck for the return game!
@Grasshopper: Don’t know about Northwood’s trip but 9 hours in a bus did nothing for the College state of readiness. Then playing at altitude and coming back from a big 1/2 time deficit, perhaps the Gauties are reading a lot into results. Swallows, summers ….. , the return game is going to be inferesting
@Westers: Westville better bloody wake up and beat PBHS to keep this Gautengaleng lot quiet. They seem to think they have some sort of ascendancy. Wadna Westville!
@NW_Knight: Where do you think Northwood will end in KZN and which of the tier one schools will be below them?
@JeppeRugbyFan: Good and accurate summary. Could’ve gone either way with 5 or 10 minutes to go. Jeppe’s 8, 11, 14 and 15 are pretty good. Still maintain the MHS backline are the best we’ve played this year. NW may have been 7th this year, but will end higher this year.
@JeppeRugbyFan: Hopefully Westville pull one back this coming weekend for the KZN teams.
@star: Info I got through kids from coaches was wrong. PBHS are bringing full house against Westville this weekend. Should be a great day.
@JeppeRugbyFan: again Northwood are about 7th in KZN and College are about 4th, so wouldn’t read too much into the results. Kearsney are the KZN benchmark currently….
Well that makes it 4 to Nil in the Grogper Cup to the Gauteng schools after the PBHS and Jeppe’s wins this weekend.
The Northwood forwards are definitely not to be underestimated. Their tight 5 are big and very physical with decent ball skills and together with the loose trio, who all had good games yesterday, kept them in the game against us. The No. 6 and 8 had particularly good games and impressed when they got go forward ball.
The difference between the sides though was definitely the pace of the Jeppe backs who created plenty opportunities especially from broken play and some misjudged Northwood kicks.
I would like to see the Jeppe side be a little more clinical in defense as they are still conceding too many soft points but on offense this team is looking very dangerous and I suppose at the end of the day its the team with the most points on the board that wins.
Thanks to the Northwood players and travelling supporters for an enjoyable fixture yesterday. I hope everyone had a safe trip home.
@Gungets Tuft: Spend money wisely. Definitely not on Maths or Science teacher. Rather pay additional rugby coaches
@All Black: I am not all that convinced about the “roads in the FS” excuse. As you rightly point out, where do you find roads which are not in a bad condition. And up to Harrismith, its the same anyway.Cost cutting is probably the main reason, made easier after a few heavy losses
And the reality is that its going to get a lot worse.The face of SBR, and eventually all rugby(and other sport) will change from as we know it.
Where is Roger these days? After all, this “Grogper Cup” is named after him.
I want to find out what is going on at KES. It’s not good that the Jhb powerhouse has declined so alarmingly in such a short space of time. I think that Jeppe is picking up the slack though.
@GreenBlooded: Definitely.
@All Black: Agree – that is a massive tour. Are you making the trip?
@Gungets Tuft: You will also find that the people who NEVER front up to help out are the first and most vocal when it comes to complaining. Been involved with club rugby for a few years which is where I worked that out – I’m sure at schools it is no different…….
@star: I seem to recall that when KES came down to Westville last year a number of teams had to pull out because there was no accommodation. I think GT has it right. Lack of a large boarding school to take up the slack is the limiting factor here.
@star: And we travel to Affies this year as well. R700K odd on that. Look, it’s budgeted and we value those relationships, so it is not money that is begrudged, but it is an eye-opener.
RUGBY FIXTURES VS PRETORIA BOYS HIGH SCHOOL
13 April 2013
TEAM
FIELD
TIME
1st
BROOKS
14H35
2nd
BROOKS
13H20
3rd
BROOKS
12H20
4th
BROOKS
11H20
5th
BROOKS
10H20
6th
BROOKS
9H20
7th
BROOKS
08H30
8th
DOREY FAR
10H20
9th
DOREY FAR
11H20
U16A
OEHLEY NEAR
11H20
U16B
OEHLEY NEAR
10H20
U16C
OEHLEY NEAR
09H20
U16D
OEHLEY NEAR
12H20
U16E
OEHLEY NEAR
13H30
U16F
OEHLEY NEAR
08H30
U15A
OEHLEY NEAR
10H20
U15B
OEHLEY NEAR
08H30
U15C
OEHLEY NEAR
11H20
U15D
OEHLEY NEAR
12H20
U15E
OEHLEY NEAR
13H20
U15F
OEHLEY NEAR
09H20
U14A
DOREY NEAR
09H20
U14B
DOREY NEAR
08H30
U14C
DOREY NEAR
11H20
U14D
DOREY NEAR
10H20
U14E
DOREY NEAR
12H20
U14F
DOREY NEAR
13H20HOCKEY FIXTURES VS PRETORIA BOYS HIGH SCHOOL
13 April 2013
HILL ASTRO
07h30
U14A
HILL ASTRO
08h30
U16A
HILL ASTRO
10h00
1st XI
HILL ASTRO
11h15
2nd XI
HILL ASTRO
12h15
U16B
HILL ASTRO
13h15
U14B
HOFMEYR NEAR
TIME
HOFMEYR FAR
3rd Team
08H00
U14C
4th Team
09H00
5th Team
U16C
11H00
U16E
U16D
12H15
U14D
U16F
13H15
U14E
This is a reat advert for school sport.
@star: Got less to do with the ability to host and more to do with apathy. At every school it is always the same faces that pop up, for every request for help, and it is a small number as well. You would think it is ieasy, every sportsman hosts his opposite number, but it is inevitable (and probably preferable if you think about it) that kids are hosted in pair. But we have hosted 3 often due to lack of space. It’s no hassle, my brak-mutt has space under his blanket
Chat to the sports organisers and they will tell you how people disappear …
@BOG: I stand to be corrected but the state of the roads for buses going to Bloem was a concern for MC. In the days of train trips it was not a problem. Far safer for the boys on the N3. There again, what roads are safe anymore?
@BOG: Costs R520 per boy to travel to PBHS. Parents pay but it is R350,000 that could be spent elsewhere. That is significant wonga, 12 scholarships for day-boys, 5 for boarders …..
Or a new gym, 1/10th of our new indoor cricket nets, or an additional teacher of Maths or Science.
Does give pause ….
@ Westers- I would also like to know how involved PBHS was in the decision.
Also they are better placed from a logistic perspective as they are more area bound. There are no real excuses in that regard. Allready 30 boys have given up rugby in the open age group as they did not make the 8ths. Now it seems even these teams are under pressure through lack of game time. Perhaps we should take Tjoppa’s warnings more seriously and do everything we can to broaden the game(as opposed to limiting it)
@GT- I agree with you to a certain extent but as Grassy keeps on telling us Westville is an affluent suburb and so has big houses to accommodate lots of kids.
@Gungets Tuft: That is the irony. Looking in from far, that list looks very similar to the one of GCB when they went to Upington recently. But will common sense prevail by resuming the derby between GCB and MC ? Cost is also coming into the picture, more and more, every day. A sad reality of the economic world we find ourselves in, today.
@Westers: I have a lot of sympathy for the Sport Director trying to fill up fixtures for teams, not just lower teams – it’s across the board when schools cannot match numbers and then also need off-sets to compete. Below is the College fixture list when we played George Campbell. And you wonder why the long suffering Bwana Waters is losing hair and the telephone lines run hot for weeks beforehand.
1st – 15:30 – Goldstones – GEORGE CAMBELL 1ST
2nd – 14:20 – Goldstones – GEORGE CAMBELL 2ND
3rd – 13:10 – Goldstones – LINPARK 1ST
4th – 10:50 – Goldstones – CARTER 1ST
5th – 09:40 – Goldstones – GEORGE CAMBELL 3rd
6th – 08:30 – Goldstones – ALEX 1ST
7th – 12:30 – Snows – GEORGE CAMPBELL 4TH
8th – 10:50 – Nicholsons – LINPARK 2ND
9th – 12:00 – Nicholsons – ALEX 2ND
16A – 12:00 – Goldstones – GEORGE CAMBELL 16A
16B – 10:30 – Leaches – Mid Development 16 A
16C – 12:00 – Nicholsons – LINPARK 16 A
16D – 13:10 – Nicholsons – GEORGE CAMBELL 16B
16E – 09:40 – Nicholsons – CARTER 16A
16F – 08:30 – Nicholsons – ALEX 16 A
15A – 11:30 – Snows – GEORGE CAMBELL 15A
15B – 08:30 – Snows – GEORGE CAMBELL 15B
15C – 10:00 – Away – TREVERTON 15 A
15D – 08:30 – Lammonds – CARTER 15 A
15E – 10:30 – Lammonds – GEORGE CAMBELL 15C
15F – 11:30 – Lammonds – ALEX 15 A
14A – 09:30 – Snows – GEORGE CAMBELL 14A
14B – 10:30 – Snows – GEORGE CAMBELL 14B
14C – 12:30 – Leaches – LINPARK 14 A
14D – 11:30 – Leaches – CARTER 14 A
14E – 09:30 – Leaches – GEORGE CAMBELL 14C
14F – 08:30 – Leaches – ALEX 14 A
Playfair – it just occurred to me that College and Glenwood have one thing in their favour, and that is being able to host that many boys with beds. The 400 beds in the BE provide about 200 kids with a mattress and another 300 – 350 can be hosted by parents (120 – 150 locals put up their hands). Westville does not have a BE and finding something like 250 – 300 parents to not turn invisible is a real feat. Check with your Sports Director and see how hard it is …
@Tjoppa: I rest my case… And thank you for proving my point.
@Westers: Tswane is only now realising and correcting this but I know of large schools of 1200plus pupils who can not even make up a B side. This is the death of schoolboy rugby if not attended to urgently.
@Vleis: They should – but they haven’t. The smaller schools have their fixtures already confirmed so will not be available at short notice. As a Westville supporter I am finding it very hard to back an administration who do not have the interest of ALL their boys at heart.
Your idea is common sense, but as they say, common sense is not so common.
I would really like to know from any Pretoria BHS supporters why they are not bringing down more teams. It just does not make sense.
@Tjoppa: You are right. I know of boys who have given up this year already because they know they will not be getting game time.
@Westers: And I warned about what sir. Now less and less boys are going to play rugby and as soon as shit you only have two teams per agegroup.
@Westers: Can they organize games against smaller/medium sized schools higher teams – e.g. Westville 5ths v small schools 2nds and Westville 6ths v small schools 3rds and Westville 7ths v medium sized school’s 4ths, etc?
Just heard that Pretoria BHS are not bringing down all teams to play Westville on 20 April. Really disappointing as they are apparently only bringing 4 open age group teams. This weekend Westville are playing Empangeni & Richards Bay who also cannot field enough teams to give all Westville teams a game. Some boys have been in training since February, played one game against Hilton on 16 March and the next game they play will be on 27 April against DHS (and they may not have enough teams either). This really is a ridiculous situation that the Westville sports administrators need to address as a matter of urgency. Too much focus by the Director of Sport on the first team at the expense of the greater majority of boys who just want to play (and whose parents are probably the fee paying ones).
When will they wake up and arrange return fixtures against College and Glenwood and also play in the third term to get more game time.
@PlayFlair: Your picture must be bigger to fit your girlfriends in. Please do yourself a favour and count the boys playing rugby.
1. Western Cape
2 Gauteng
Then the rest
@Tjoppa: On average KZN schools produce more players than the Gauteng, Limpopo and Myoumapoepallankal ie the coastal unions and Cheetahs see the bigger picture. Bigger picture for me means; players play because they enjoy it while the coaches and schools recognize the educational value the game offers. So, the cradle of rugby in SA is not in the areas mentioned earlier on. Is this not a reason why the Lions are struggling and on the verge of never getting back into S15. The school leagues etc up north is the main reason for this failure and quality rugby they play.
@PlayFlair: The picture are not that big. As I remarked to Grashopper this starts with the “purchasing” of missing talent to ensure winning teams. I think the schools this side of the boerewors gordyn realised this and is changing their attitudes. The rot I see is setting in at the KZN and WP schools. So let us speak in four year’s time and see the result that “purchasing” talent has on your amount of boys playing rugby.
Also confident in saying that St Charles and Hilton could have won their respective matches while knowing KZN won’t drop a match in the remainder of this Cup competition.
@Tjoppa: Or is it that English schools sees the bigger picture? Not sure if the KZN schools are forcing boys to play, so can’t comment but it’s clear that it’s very convenient for schools up north to have A and B sides only. All the resources and eggo’s only used for a few sides. Yes, probably more rugby ability but where are the coaches and players. I am starting to believe that KZN and WP have overtaken the schools on the other side of the boerewors gordyn.
@Grasshopper: Not even there. The plaasdam. What did Queen say about the fat bottom girls. That was the national anthem of the State back then, and after my visit to the Varsity I presume still is.
@BOG: You mean FAT.
@ Tjoppa- MARCO ….
@GreenBlooded: Dont forget Speartackle, Festus, Duppie, Proppie—- And perhaps BHP too
@BOG: I was thinking the same thing. Mr T has re-invented himself on these blogs many many times. It is either him of one of his other mates/personnas re-incarnated: Nonnie, skepskop, strafskop, bekommered, etc etc etc.
@Gungets Tuft: As far as I know, one of our regular participants here from the West Rand, actually married one of those girls, his first of many. Not those in Durban, but the ones from Bloem. Would be interesting to hear his views- direct and not by “proxy”
@Gungets Tuft: Plenty of girls at the rugby matches when I was at school and nothing has changed to this day. Was a parade then and is still a parade now. Playing 1st, 2nd or A side definitely upped your chances of getting bites to stick with your fishing metaphor. I was a rugger player and also a surfer when I was at school – the fishing was definitely better at the rugby!! Maybe that’s cos I sucked at surfing………
@BOG: Those fuller-posture girls cause issues here in Durban. Over December we have Japanese trawlers patrolling the surf back-line, harpoons at the ready. My morning paddle turns into a dodgem-paddle. If I have my Greenpeace rash vest on they start spraying me with water cannons.
But I also think ou Grassy overestimates the threat to rugby from the beach. Seems to me that there is plenty of spooning, tag and release happening at school rugby games. You don’t need to be on the beach for that.
@Tjoppa: Traditionally, the Oranje girls were “fuller in posture” Also, their school rules would certainly not have allowed them that freedom. They were not known as the Afrikaanse Klooster for nothing. After school was altogether a different matter. By the way, I am starting to pick up similarities with a “former” blogger from the West Rand. A cuzzie of yours, perhaps?
@Tjoppa: only at the local municipality pool. Jeez that must be a perv fest and the water must be vile!
@BOG: But CAN those “girl” wear bikini’s
@Grasshopper: In the States they have barns and trekker hopping but that does not stop them from playing rugby. I’ve seen this at many schools who “purchase” players. The local boys simply stop playing as they know their chances to play A team is slim to zero. I think and do not want to step on toes but according to info is that since Kloof stopped accepting imports via Bulls system the amount of boys returning to rugby is massive.
@BOG: I’m aware girls can be found everywhere, the difference is the beach! Half of South Africa flocks to it in the holidays, it is a big distraction. Up in Bloem all there is to do is play sport and go to the mall, not much else. I’ve seen it for myself when there in Dec, I was thrown back to the 80s big time. Nothing wrong with that though.
@rugbyfan: You got it wrong there. The founder of the school, was Sir George Grey, Governor of the Cape and later to become the first Prime Minister of New Zealand. There he also founded Auckland Grammar, a now famous boys school which has produced several ABs. The first headmaster was Dr Andrew Murray (Murray House was named after him) His father was a Presbyterian minister from Scotland. Andrew Murray went on to become NG(quite a change) From there he went to the Cape and you can find his legacies in Stellenbosch and Wellington and elsewhere. He was a prolific Christian writer and his books are re-printed to this day around the world. His successor was Johannes Brill and Brill House was named after him@Grasshopper: Believe me, girls can be found at other places than the beach. GCB has two sister schools in Eunice and Oranje, and they dont see that as a distraction(from rugby) On the contrary, participation, enhances their image(or shares)
@rugbyfan: another factor is lifestyle, Durban boys have the beach and girls on the beach as a distraction. At Glenwood only a third of the 1250 odd boys play rugby and half of those are boarders. The numbers in the school are misleading. Look at Michaelhouse, Kearsney, Hilton, the landbou schools, small numbers but high participation %. Big urban schools have a bigger mix of kids with different sporting and extra mural passions, these schools don’t make there boys play rugby only make them do something even if its chess or debating. Not all boys are designed for the rigors of rugby. At Glenwood over 200 boys surf and body board, u won’t cant those pretty boys on the rugga field….
@PlayFlair: No you do not have that many quality schools left. Therefore your quality schools are bigger but still you can not compete with Boertjies in quality terms. Wonder how many Boertjies in English schools.
I think the issue of how many teams a school can put on the park each week should be measured by how many boys are in the school to say that GW can field 26 teams and they have 900 boys is not any better than Marlow who field 10 teams but only have 276 boys in fact its actually worse.
@beet: If PBH have 1600 boys they do not do well as rugby goes.
@Vleis: Ye that is correct remember the founder of Grey College is none other than a Scottish Presbeterian Pastor who surname was Grey. So ye each language is given a 50/50 rep in all facits of school life and i think this must be one of the only schools who do this.
@PlayFlair: Maybe just a case of quantity over quality the, or just plain a lack of TV?
Almost overtaken by the urge to repeatedly slam my hands in a car door.
@Grasshopper: Interesting reading. On ratio it’s possibly that KZN produce more teams ie players that those up country. George Campbell has more teams than some of the bigger rugby playing school up north. Can it be true that the Souties are better than the Boertjies when it comes to producing players?
@Woltrui: Die klomp so oud nie eers ‘n gietergat kan hulle aan die hardloop kry nie.
@PlayFlair: I reckon no more than 4 sides per age group, so 16 to 18. Big schools like College, Westville, Glenwood, PBHS, Affies, KES, Grey PE, Paarl Gim and Boishaai usually have more than 26…
Does anyone have information on the number of teams schools like Waterkloof, Garsfontein, Menlo Park, Monnas etc have
@ Bog. My seuns is en was in Monnas en die skool is dubbel medium.
@Gungets, yep great to see that. Glenwood does the same if not more with Affies and Grey Bloem, I wish it was with PBHS and KES instead…
On the KES team – how is the boy who was struck by lightning? Did he make a recovery sufficiently to play in the Easter tourneys?
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PBHS has ±400 boarders out of ±1600 kids, who are regarded as the heart and soul of the A-team sports at the school yet the College boys will be staying mainly with the families of the day boys who live close to the school. Just thought that a bit of useless info worth sharing.
@Gungets Tuft: Eish Mr Gungets. Almost a misunderstanding corncerning the Squashers. The language barrier.
@Woltrui: ou Woltrui, it’s not what you think. We do not take our own Turkish masseurs along .. nor is it the okes that pack the bags into the limited space on the bus. It’s the boys that play squash.
@Gungets Tuft:
8 Squashers?
I remember okes talking about tours earlier this year. Numbers for the College trip to Pretoria this weekend
26 Rugby teams
15 Hockey teams
4 Golfers
8 Squashers
55 Staff
13 busses
Total is going to be 617 boys and 55 staff. Thats what I call a tour, 2 schools that can match each other team for team. What a pleasure.
@Vleis: School altitudes
Glenwood – 45m
College – 640m
Hilton – 1120m
MHouse – 1281m
KES – 1771m
Affies / Boys High – 1360m
So the MHouse coach was correct!! Not much difference between Balgowan and Snor-Stad!!
@beet:
Here is the link to the fixtures.
http://www.durbanhighschool.co.za/upload_folder/Rugby%20Fixtures%202013.pdf
Hi HF1. Do you have a DHS fixture list that you can email me please.
@star: With the right attitude altitude will not be a problem
@Beet
DHS will also be playing Parktown at Parktown this year as part of another KZN vs Gauteng game.
@Vleis: Thats why our national bird is no longer the blue crane, but the “Rainbow chicken” Hope that I am not interfering, but you are correct – 4/2. But I can recall, going back half a century, where a class was conducted in Eng and Afr because it was a small class. But, generally you are correct. Mother tongue tuition and even though Afr was in the majority, the 2 languages enjoyed equal status, for eg in assembly.
@BOG: Their website says, ” The School Monument High School, known as Monnas, is a coeducational, parallel-medium school. It has some 1 100 pupils.”
@rugbyfan: See new thread and not my wisdom.
@BOG: Ja Oom Dankie Oom
@rugbyfan: A new order is being formed I see the good old boys schools disappearing in the mist. Unfortunately a new order.
@beet: Must give that to you Souties a lot of moan and grown but the end of the day you accept the truth. BUT those Capies strange they do not call their WP league The World Series of SBR ala Americans.
@rugbyfan: Well, we live in the Rainbow nation after all.
That said, the schools mentioned earlier actually have classes that are only taught in English – e.g. at GCB there are four Afrikaans classes and two English classes per year. Is that correct?
@Tjoppa: Ek merk dat die begrip “dual” nou mooi aan jou verduidelik is (en dat jy verstaan-hopelik?)@Vleis: He must just make very sure about that. Perhaps, they are dual- Afrikaans and Tswana, or by Tjoppas definition and understanding, male and female. But English? Id be very surprised
@Tjoppa: You can see that BoishaaiPa was so unhappy that Klofies beat Boishaai, he left Klofies out altogether
@Vleis: What do you call a school like Queens 58% Xhosa 30% English 8% Afrikaans 2 % Sotho and 1% Zim.
Hey Queenian what you say that a like a packet of Liqurice All sorts
@rugbyfan: I have done the thumbsuck which needs adjusting for Wynberg. But I have posted both Rugby15 & SASchoolSports Rankings on a new thread.
@Tjoppa: But we all know GCB will land up at No 1 by year end.
Ask Bog we Old Grey boys know our place and thats No 1
@BOG:
A friend of mine said that Monnas are dual medium, as he is thinking of sending his kids there. Ironically, he (and his wife) are Afrikaans, but their kids learn in English as they were expats for five years, so they went to English speaking schools overseas.
Beet: When you going for the first Top 20 of the year should be due now.
@Tjoppa: Also Marlow must be a top 20 at least they have even beaten Noordkaap?
Another school who could be top 20 material this year is Union High they have played 5 games so far only losing to Boishaai by 1 point there last games was a convincing win over Kingswood.
@Tjoppa: Fokus op die blog Tjoppa. Die ou tannies op die stoep sal nie weghardloop.
@Tjoppa: Boshaai only at number 9 that a bit harsh also dont think Grey PE should be there after there hiding to Affies and loss to MC
@Ploegskaar: Moes lees “kan doen”. Kom ons praat aan die einde van April weer oor waar die Plaasskool is, die manne sal weldra ‘n verskyning maak.
@Tjoppa: Ja, maar die boere en die Boere kan dan moet nat swaar velde, enige bleddie hulp tans welkom…
Ou Ploegskaar ek draai die bleddy computer na alle kante maar nerens will jou skool pop nie. Wat gaan aann.
5 April 2013
1 Afrikaans Hoer Seunskool Pta (Affies)
2 Hoërskool Outeniqua (Kwaggas)
3 Paarl Gimnasium
4 Grey College
5 Hoërskool Monument (Monnas)
6 Hoërskool Waterkloof
7 Hoërskool Garsfontein
8 Hoërskool Nelspruit (Nellies)
9 Paarl Boys High School (Boishaai)
10 Hoërskool Dr. E.G. Jansen (Jansies)
11 Hoërskool Noord-Kaap
12 St Andrews College (SAC)
13 Kearsney College
14 Paul Roos Gymnasium (PRG)
15 Wynberg Boys’ High
16 Rondebosch Boys’ High
17 Grey High School (PE)
18 Pretoria Boys’ High School (PBHS)
19 Hoërskool Centurion
20 HTS Drostdy
@Ploegskaar: Sorry computer onderstebo. Reen dit nog?
@Tjoppa: Dual verwys na taal, co-ed verwys na geslag, lees weer, hierdie keer stadig.
@Beet: score was actually 17-10 to Pionier (the winning try was scored in the last 4 minutes f the game).
@BOG: Bog seuns en dogters. Wat verstaan jy nie.
@Vleis: Monument dual? Not so sure about that. Afrikaans and ? As far as I know, English is not a second language there, but a foreign language.
@Vleis: But only because of their imports if I may.
@Grasshopper: Is this like affirmative action for English speaking schools. Come on what do you teach your children. You are no94 in the country but at least you are the best of your friends. Like Bog would say making our children used to the substandard society of what South Afrikaans has become.
@rugbyfan: If you throw Marlow into the mix, that may even those scales a bit this year, but I get what you say, the English schools have traditionally been more dominant.
@GreenBlooded: A trend that is just starting to be copied in Gauteng given the current Saints u14 team. Clearly this recruiting policy is paying dividends, as Saints u14 beat St Alban’s u14 by 60 to 0, whereas last year, the St Alban’s u14 beat Saints by about ten at Saints!!
I certainly would not complain if a few Affies/Klofies/Menlo/etc u15 players popped over to St Alban’s!!
@Vleis: Before I came to my senses I used to run marathons and ultras, living in PMB. I can tell you there is a world of difference between PMB and Chunnisbeg. Durban to Chunnisbeg or Bloem is a lung crusher. The upcountry teams must feel like they are on pure oxygen when they come down here.
@Vleis: A few other KZN schools indeed!! Heard a lot of ‘Taal’ being spoken at Maritzburg College this weekend by the Westville and College boys. Must be a trend.
@rugbyfan: Yep, that seems the way to go when one considers that GCB, Paul Roos, Paarl Boys and Monument are all dual medium. Any others that I have overlooked (like Glenwood
)?
Ludz:Queenian: I see Illano Smith was awarded the player of the tournament at the Rob Taylor Under 14A Hockey tournament at Selborne over the holidays is this the same rugby wonder boy centre and is he still playing rugby?
Maybe any other Queenian can shed some light on this?
Also suppose the dual meduim schools would come out on top.
@Ploegskaar: You have a point there but with Grey PE/St Andrews/Selborne/Dale/Queens i think the scales are bit in there favour.
@star: Bear in mind that Michaelhouse, Hilton and MC are all quite a bit above sea level, so it is not as if the experience is completely alien. Indeed, the MH u15 coach was trying to convince us that his school is a similar height above sea level as Jhb.
Anyway, to make Grassy happy, I think that the Natal schools are a bit better than the Gauteng soutie schools, partly because they start rugby from a very young age in Natal. This is slowly changing in Gauteng, but will take a long time. Gauteng is dominant in football though, as our A, B and C teams beat the Natal A team at the provincial u13 week a few years ago.
If PBH win over the weekend the first Goffer cup will come to Pretoria……sorry, Gauteng. We’ll take it 7-3. Maritzburg win, Cup will be shared. Chances of Goffer cup going to Kzn just as impossible as the sharkies winning the Super 15. 8)
I see that 70% of the games are played in Gauteng. Us Sharkies do not do so good at altitude.
@rugbyfan: Dan Pienaar, Framesby and Nico Malan may differ with your assessment of powerhouse schools in the EC…
It would be interesting to see in each area are the power house schools English or Afrikaans meduim the only area,s i can see were the power house schools are English is KZN and the Eastern Cape
@Vleis: Afrixhozulu … must make the line out calls a nightmare. Can just imagine one day they will have to resort to calls in English just so they can all understand :-)
@Grasshopper: Sure, but it’s just a bit of fun…so no need to get too excited about it. Glenwood (and maybe a few other Natal schools) do not qualify as their first team is Afrikaans.
@Vleis, we know that, it’s English medium Gauteng Schools….first sentence explains that….
@Grasshopper: Grassy, I can assure you that none of the Gauteng schools listed above will be anywhere near the top of the Gauteng schools pile.
@Beet, I am obviously the KZN blogger and Roger the Gauteng blogger in this, hahah! Let’s just say unless the schools that are consistantly at the top of KZN are involved then there cannot be any bragging rights. Over the past decade these have been Glenwood, Michaelhouse, College, Kearsney and Westville. Gauteng English schools only play 2 of them….well Kearsney played St Stithians last year handing them a good hiding…
@Woltrui: Sorry Beet. See the match is in Pretoria
Goooo Gauteng!!! Kick Sharky butt.
KES down and out after easter. Gauteng will have to rely on a decent PBH and Jeppe team to do the damage.
The PBH/Maritzburg game in Ptown or Maritzburg?