| # | EP KINGS u19 | SCHOOL | # | GOLDEN LIONS u19 | SCHOOL |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | David Murray | St Andrews | 1 | Marius Greyvensteyn | EG Jansen |
| 2 | JP Jamieson | Kingswood/Grey HS | 2 | Pieter Jansen | EG Jansen |
| 3 | Chris Whitting | Michaelhouse | 3 | Clinton Theron | Florida |
| 4 | Wynand Grassmann | Despatch | 4 | Estian Enslin | EG Jansen |
| 5 | Sintu Manjezi | St Andrews | 5 | Matthew le Roux | HJS Paarl BH |
| 6 | CJ Velleman | Grey HS | 6 | Derik Bezuidenhout | Affies |
| 7 | Tyler Paul | St Andrews | 7 | Dwayne Pienaar | Monument |
| 8 | Mihlali Nchukana | Dale | 8 | Arne Van Rensburg | Garsfontein |
| 9 | Jason Baggott | St Andrews | 9 | Johan Esterhuizen | Monument |
| 10 | Jason Vers | Union | 10 | Shaun Reynolds | Goudveld |
| 11 | Lindelwe Zungu | Piet Retief | 11 | Johan Mitchell | Affies |
| 12 | Luan Nieuwoudt | Nico Malan | 12 | Gerdus vd Walt | Monument |
| 13 | Dominik Uytenbogaardt | Nico Malan | 13 | Sampie Hearn | EG Jansen |
| 14 | Julio Abels | Union | 14 | Godfrey Ramaboa | KES |
| 15 | Malcolm Jaer | Die Brandwag | 15 | Jade Solomons | Garsfontein |
| 22 | Thembelihle Yase | Cambridge | 16 | CJ Conradie | Monument |
| 23 | Thabani Mgugudo | Grey HS | 17 | Arnaut Malherbe | Transvalia |
| 16 | Arno Lotter | Daniel Pienaar | 18 | Roelof Diedericks | Garsfontein |
| 17 | James Beyl | Marlow | 19 | Marnus Erasmus | Transvalia |
| 18 | Gerrit Huisamen | Grey HS | 20 | George-Lee Erasmus | Garsfontein |
| 19 | Qhama Mvimbi | Dale | 21 | Xander Cronje | EG Jansen |
| 20 | Kewan Gibb | Queen’s | 22 | Jameel Warnick | Garsfontein |
| 21 | Luzuko Mase | Dale | 23 | Marco Holmes | EG Jansen |
| BLUE BULLS u19 | SCHOOL | SHARKS u19 | |||
| 1 | Stefaan Grundlingh | Outeniqua | 1 | Mzamo Majola | Westville |
| 2 | Francois Steyn | Affies | 2 | Wesley White | Bishops |
| 3 | Johan van Wyk | Waterkloof | 3 | Ruan Kramer | Grey College |
| 4 | Jason Jenkins | St Albans | 4 | Johan du Toit | Swartland |
| 5 | RG Snyman | Affies | 5 | Hyron Andrews | Garsfontein |
| 6 | Martin Groenewald | Grey HS | 6 | Marius Louw | Grey College |
| 7 | Calvonn Allison | Affies | 7 | Jean-Luc du Preez | Kearsney |
| 8 | Hanro Liebenberg | Drostdy | 8 | Ayron Schramm | Kearsney |
| 9 | Ivan van Zyl | Affies | 9 | Matt Reece-Edwards | Kearsney |
| 10 | Dewald Human | Outeniqua | 10 | Innocent Radebe | St Stithians |
| 11 | Duhan vd Merwe | Outeniqua | 11 | Philip Marais | Welkom Gim |
| 12 | Toko Maebane | Ben Vorster | 12 | Merlyn Pieterse | Port Natal |
| 13 | Jurie Linde | Affies | 13 | Bradley Ellse | Westville |
| 14 | Jixie Molapo | Ben Vorster | 14 | Chris Lines | Kearsney |
| 15 | Philip Orffer | Affies | 15 | Kelvin Elder | Maritzburg College |
| 16 | Vuyo Khatide | Maritzburg College | 16 | Jordan Meaker | Kearsney |
| 17 | Njabula Gumede | Maritzburg College | 17 | Mthunzi Moloi | Kearsney |
| 18 | Matthys Basson | Boland Landbou | 18 | Jonathan Levin | Leeuwenhof |
| 19 | Burger van Niekerk | HJS Paarl BH | 19 | Daniel du Preez | Kearsney |
| 20 | Menzi Nhlabathi | Nelspruit | 20 | Jedwyn Harty | Selborne |
| 21 | Remu Malan | Outeniqua | 21 | Reece McHardy | Westville |
| 22 | Wyatt Murphy | Paarl Gim | 22 | Joshua Bragman | Hartlepool, Eng |
| 23 | Attie Louw | Boland Landbou | 23 | Malcolm Cele | Greytown |
| WP u19 | SCHOOL | LEOPARDS u19 | |||
| 1 | Kyle Whyte | Rondebosch | 1 | Michael Kruger | EG Jansen |
| 2 | Daniel du Plessis | HJS Paarl BH | 2 | Louis vd Westhuizen | Namibia |
| 3 | Frans van Wyk | Monument | 3 | Mogau Mabokela | Ben Vorster |
| 4 | Ruan du Preez | Die Brandwag | 4 | Joshua van Niekerk | Potch Volkskool |
| 5 | Johan Momsen | Paarl Gim | 5 | Walt Steenkamp | Rustenburg |
| 6 | Charlton Jonas | HJS Paarl BH | 6 | Gideon vd Merwe | Potch Gim |
| 7 | Luke Stringer | Rondebosch | 7 | Jacques van Zyl | Noordheuwel |
| 8 | Rikus Bothma | Paarl Gim | 8 | Dolf van Deventer | Sasolburg |
| 9 | Brendon Nell | Paarl Gim | 9 | Wessel Kuhn | Warmbad |
| 10 | Ernst Stapelberg | Framesby | 10 | Julian Delicado | Grey College |
| 11 | Leolin Zass | Hermanus | 11 | Ray van der Lith | Piet Retief |
| 12 | Daniël du Plessis | Paul Roos | 12 | Wessel Hefer | Bothaville |
| 13 | Jarryd Sage | Wynberg | 13 | Gene Willemse | Oakdale |
| 14 | Dewald Naude | HJS Paarl BH | 14 | Allen Muller | HTS Middelburg |
| 15 | Adriaan Carelse | Hottentots-Holl | 15 | Sydney du Plessis | Kempton Park |
| 16 | Martin Wipplinger | Grey College | 16 | Boyza Magalakangqa | Louis Botha |
| 17 | Mihlali Mtongana | Dale | 17 | Farrel Kelly | Drostdy |
| 18 | Lebohang Mdakane | Treverton | 18 | Tiaan Bezuidenhout | Rustenburg |
| 19 | FP Pelser | Witteberg | 19 | Daniel Crafford | Klerksdorp |
| 20 | Michael de Waal | Pretoria BH | 20 | Christopher Arries | Windhoek HS |
| 21 | Damian Stevens | HJS Paarl BH | 21 | Elden Schoeman | Vereeniging Gim |
| 22 | Ryan Oosthuizen | Paarl Gim | 22 | Stefan Coetzer | Waterkloof |
| 23 | Heinrich Buhr | Boland Landbou | 23 | Morne Strydom | Florida |
EP Kings (Under-19) 13 Golden Lions (Under-19) 16.
Vodacom Blue Bulls (Under-19) 33, Cell C Sharks (Under-19) 18.
The home side scored four tries to get a bonus point for their efforts. They had a 23-6 lead at the break.
Scorers:
Blue Bulls 33 (23). Tries: Duhan van der Merwe, Hanro Liebenberg, Jason Jenkins, Jurie Linde. Conversions: Dewald Human (2). Penalties: Human (3).
Sharks 18 (6). Tries: Jean-Luc du Preez, Malusi Cele. Conversion: Innocent Radebe. Penalties: Radebe (2).
DHL Western Province (Under-19) 39, Leopards (Under-19) 12.
The DHL Western Province Under-19 team stayed on their winning ways in Week Two of the Absa Under-19 Provincial Championship by beating Leopards 39-12 in Cape Town on Friday. Former SA Schools squad member Leolin Zas had too much gas for the visitors and scored a hat-trick of tries.
The home side had the City Park faithful on their feet from the early stages of the match and had a commanding 22-7 lead at the break already. The Leopards tries hard but were simply outclassed.
Scorers:
DHL Western Province 39 (22). Tries: Charlton Jonas, Jarryd Sage, Leolin Zas (3). Conversions: Ernst Stapelberg (4). Penalties: Stapelberg (2).
Leopards 12 (7). Tries: Lawrence Mabokela, Rudolph van Deventer. Conversion: Sydney du Plessis.
The Lions had to come from behind to beat the Kings 16-13. I heard that CJ Velleman, David Murray and JP Jamieson played well for the Kings while Pieter Jansen was good for the Lions.
@Playa23: Thanks. I believe he played 2nd XV at school so this is quite an achievement.
@Ploegskaar: Yip
@beet: Yohan Mitchell is from Affies
@Tjoppa: Sorry Tjoppa but how many people are not going to enjoy the humour there and rather interpret that joke as racist and give me a hard time for allowing it.
@Tjoppa: Great idee
@RBugger: As a hooker?!
@beet: We need to be able to laugh at ourselves also. That joke told to me by an Indian boy of 15.
@MikeSt: Die beste stelsel is om 12 unies/instellings te kontrakteer wat in beheer gaan wees van junior rugby en wat gaan deelneem in ‘n landwye 0/19 & 0/21 kompetisie.
Laat dan elke instelling toe om 10 seuns te kontrakteer vir hul groep spelers.
Die volgende 20 seuns moet dan op ‘n draft sisteem geallokeer word na die unies/instellings. Met die “armste” unie eerste keuse.
Hierdie unies/instellings moet egter ook gekeur word tov finansiele vermoens, geriewe en afrigting.
Na junior fase is hierdie unies/instellings geregtig om hul sukseverhale te “verkoop” aan die hoogste bieeer.
Okay the first official Lions u19 team of 2014 has been added.
Vaki to help with the school of Johan Mitchel/l
Kan mens ten minste dan ‘n “carry over” kry as jy die jaar minder kontrakteer? Sal soortgelyk ook minder invat die volgende jaar as jy oortrokke gaan!
Ek dink mens moet besef talent en dienooreenkomstig kontraktering is siklies en dat selfs die Bulle nie weer so oorboord sal gaan in die toekoms nie. Die stelsel, spelers en kontrakteerders is nog in baba-skoene, so gee kans, met loop en val het dinge ‘n manier om self uit te sorteer, soos wat almal aan die game op hierdie skaal gewoond raak.
@Ploegskaar: Stem saam 10000% met jou.
Dink net unies moet verhoed word om 30 – 50 outjies te kontrak op n jaar.
@MikeSt: Ek hoor jou Mike, maar diep binne in weet ons, of as ouers of ouens wat rugby volg, waneer ‘n seun dit werklik gaan maak of nie. Jou seun is ‘n “keeper”, hy sal groot rugby speel en jy kan hom met ‘n geruste hart Sharks toe stuur. Vir die ander wat nie so seker is nie, gaan na Potch, FS, Leeus, Griekwas (in daardie volgorde), gee jouself 2 afjare om te kyk of jy dit maak, en as dit nie uitwerk nie, gaan studeer (verkieslik vir ‘n loodgieter of elektrisiën). Ouers het net soveel van ‘n verantwoordelikheid en word te dikwels weggesweep saam met die Springbok drome, terwyl hulle veronderstel is om raad te gee en te lei.
@valke: I would assume that he is not good enough and therefore has to play club or Varsity? One thing that everyone must be clear on, is that the unions are taking a gamble by contracting based on school form and reputation. Some boys also get offers from more than one union, can therefore choose where they want to go and end up where they want to be. We have to be realistic that some do not realize the potential that they showed at school and get cut after a year. If that is then the highlight of your playing career, so be it, you got a shot, did not make it and only missed one year of studies.
@Ploegskaar: Hello Ploegie, Januarie toetse was great gewees hy moet eers skool klaarmaak dan sal ons kyk.
EK se weer my oudste seun was 3 jaar terug in die sisteem (ongelukkig met laaste Cravenweek game ernstige enkel breek opgedoen) en ek het gesien hoe verwoes hulle die jong manne na die 2 jaar kontrak.
Daar was groot seuns wat soos babas huil as hulle soos gemors weg gegooi word nadat daar al hierdie mooi beliftes aan hulle gemaak is. Van SA skole seuns af tot gewone privinsiale seuns.
Dis moer hartseer om sulke goed te sien gebeur.
Van die groep wat in 2010 gekontrakteer was van 40 by n spesifieke unie is daar vandag net 6 oor.
So ons het alweer 34 seuns verloor.
@MikeSt: Ja ja hou op moan met ‘n witbrood onder die arm, hoe het dit met jou lat se toetse gegaan by die Chaarks? Goeie keuse in my opinie, hy sal speelkans kry.
@valke: Limit the nr of guys that a union is allowed to contract to a max figure of lets say 28 or 30
This will force guys to contract if they want to live their passion with the smaller Unions at u19 level.
The will increase the exposure and the strength of the smaller unions and see more guys being used in the system.
Normally at the bigger Unions its a 24 month deal apart from the odd guy that’s a 50 / 50 and they are very uncertain of.
Then academies is a waste of time and money and nothing else but a money making business. Very very few guys that has not been contracted come though the academy system.
@MikeSt: What would the alternative be ?
Any aspiring schoolboy rugby player will probably sign the contract and give his best in the hope of getting another contract after that.
Some will make it and some won’t. Not the unions fault, except if they decided to stockpile every talented kid in the first place.
Club rugby will get you nowhere. Koshuis rugby at university is not going to take you anywhere. Paying your way through an Academy is most likely not going to get you anywhere.
What else can these kids do ? I hear not everyone gets a 2 year deal. some only 12 months.
@valke: The system of contracting (and i have 1st hand experience on this) is a cruel one.
Some unions appears to be contracting guys to get them out of the system as so many players eventually gets spat out by the sausage machine after their initial 2 year contract and end up to not play the sport at all anymore.
Its very much a use and abuse system as far as I am concerned.
@valke: That is why I like KZN. The do place players at clubs for game time. At the Bulls I know for sure the extras carry bags.
@Ploegskaar: Apologize maybe better setup as at KZN it is all in one.
@Ploegskaar: Agree.
What would happen to a player that does not get used ? Do they send them to play club rugby, or do they just sit around waiting ?
@valke: Of the 47 players, 2 that we know of have moved to KZN, so they have utilized 27/45 thus far (60%). We can assume that some of the players that have not been utilized are injured, allow for a bit of depth and have to keep in mind that the 2013 intake was not that great, as may be the case with 2015 as well. Maybe too early to decide if they have over-contracted or not, so let’s review this at the end of this season and next season.
@Tjoppa: As @valke said, WPRI players are contracted while the majority of the WPRA players in Tokai have toe hoes (some are on bursaries, part or full).
@Ploegskaar: Only 27 players used out of 47 contracted.
This seems to be heading the Bulls direction. Hope not.
@Tjoppa: I always thought the WPRI was for union players only and the WPRA was for paying customers.
@Ploegskaar: Ploegie you just make a clear differentiation between WPRI paying customers and players contracted by the Union. I know this situation is causing a lot of question at KZN. A big difference between the two.
@Ploegskaar: Wes White in Durban, need I say more?
@beet: A few things to note:
-The WPRI initially contracted 43 players
-18 have been selected twice
-2 have been selected once
-1 player has moved back to KZN
-3 players are in the WP u21 squad
-4 new players have been contracted in the interim and all for have been selected twice
Maybe someone can shed some light on the status of the 19 players that were part of the initial intake and have not been selected to date:
Wesley White, Sibahle Maxwane, Brandon Thomson, Dylan Harlen, Francois vd Merwe, Luan Boshoff, Daylen Daniels, Wiehan Jacobs, Dian Koen, Regardt Louw, Christo vd Merwe, Joel Heugh, Pieter Rossouw, Khanyo Ngcukana, Graham Geldenhuys, Brett Paulse, Thabani Mtsi, David Ribbans & Siya Alam.
Congrats Johan v Wyk my boytjie :-D. Hope the Bulls can play the full 70 min and not just the first 25 like against EP. Nice to see Duhan playing, Bulls loosies must have a better game against Sharkies.
Bulls, WP and Lions to win, wont be suprised if EP causes an upset here.
Loosies hahahaha
That Bulls backlines looks potent! The Sharks will need to keep this tight and try attack the fly half channel with their loonies. I would also try and get Dan on the field for the entire second half. Chris Lines is going to have one hell of a day marking Duhan, jeez, baptism of fire!
@beet: I will have a closer look at the WPRI intake for 2014 and compare it with the 2 teams selected thus far, but it seems that of the 43 contracted many have had a game as they try to settle down to a squad, while some are injured, a few are going to play u21 and some have already returned to their province of origin. To be fair, you have to allow for a bit of depth as well, so a few will end up kicking their heels a bit, but much less than at other unions that have had almost 2 teams sitting idle in the past. The 2013 intake was not that flash and 2015 may also prove to be a lean year, so may work out well.
@Ploegskaar: Its a pity there are no funds for an u19B competition for the major unions because apart for the guys you mentioned and see on the list there are a few good junior players just watching these inter-provincial matches from the stands
@tzavosky: Good idea.
It’s would be hard to believe that any uninjured player with the benefit of conditioning at the Bulls facility will be anything but in tip-top shape by this time of the season.
Last year the Bulls cut a few boys midway through the u19 season so I think for any player who is serious about becoming a pro there, good conditioning is 101 given all the compo for places on the Pretoria training ground.
Last Friday I spotted a Sharks junior who is on a contract and to be honest his body shape was far from desirable for an aspiring pro. Needless to say just like me he was watching the junior games for the sidelines.
Man, every time I look at this WP u19 team they just look better and that sans Vermeulen and Schickerling as well. Solid front row, potent 8/9/10 combo, creative centres and very exciting back three. Sharks loosies a great combo as well, think they will pose the only serious challenge for the WP boys.
@beet: So you suggest I’d rather ask my daughter these questions. Two of the Bulls’ players were at school with her, another two (Steyn and Martin) are in her class at Tuks and RG is friends with Steyn, so she probably knows more about their conditioning than Muzi!
@tzavosky: Muzi does not go to games. He needs a GPS to find Loftus
@Muzi: Has Jinx lost some weight?
Francois Steyn, RG Snyman. Johan van Wyk, Hanro Liebenberg, Ivan van Zyl Dewald Human, Duhan vd Merwe, Jurie Linde and Jixie Molapo will have a say in this result..quality players.