Glenwood vs Maritzburg College. It’s a potential KZN number 1 decider for 2014. Glenwood hosts College on Dixon’s where visiting KZN 1st XV’s have found wins extremely hard to come by in recent years. On top of this College has not beaten Glenwood home or away since 2010.
Both schools have strong teams and are enjoying very good seasons to date.
“Glenwound vs Maritzburg Crutches”
The build up to the match has been noted for absent players, out injured players and injury clouds hanging over others.
Glenwood dependables Jaco Coetzee (8) and Morné Joubert (7) are away on SA under-18 Sevens duty.
Glenwood has already lost Ntokozo Vidima (5) for the season while Koos Tredoux (3) and Ruben Fouche (12) were on the injury list a weekend ago and may not be 100% for this important game. Young loose-forward backup Marco Palvie (7,8) was also not active at KZN trials earlier this week.
College have serious issues with a shortage of halves, with last weekend’s pairing of Matt Seba (9) and Mac van der Linde (9,10) ruled out, in addition to Jordan Koekemoer (10). Disi Dlamini (3), Justin Gold (5), ever reliable Wian Jacobs (4) also didn’t participate at KZN trials earlier this week and neither did Slade Stuart (6).
Teams as they appear on the programme for Saturday.
* promoted player
| GLENWOOD | MARITZBURG COLLEGE | |
|---|---|---|
| K Van Niekerk | 1 | T Steyn |
| P Mngadi | 2 | M Maswi |
| K Tredoux | 3 | T Chikwezvero* |
| K Du Randt (C) | 4 | W Jacobs |
| R Desmore | 5 | J Gold* |
| J Venter | 6 | H Tharratt |
| M Muller | 7 | Le Roux |
| M Palvie* | 8 | D Goodson (C) |
| K Khanyile | 9 | T Rattray* |
| C Jonas | 10 | J De Wet* |
| P Ngcobo | 11 | X Guma |
| D Du Randt | 12 | M Kriel |
| S Ngcobo | 13 | M Coetsee |
| I Mukendi | 14 | B Watson |
| J Morgan* | 15 | B Holder |
@Gungets Tuft: You hit the Trebble
@Jordaan: You know – you are absolutely right. Gungets knows nothing about College. Nothing about it’s history, anecdotes about previous headmasters, the habits of some old teachers, famous old boys, statistics on sports teams…….nothing. Good observation mate. He’s pulled the wool over our eyes for so long and it took a genius like you to figure it out.
@Jordaan: Since you brought it up, how about you prove your credentials. Doesn’t have to be openly here, just prove it to Beet so he can confirm you are entitled to the College jersey. From where I sit you are not using it in support of College but rather in opposition to Glenwood. You can do that with a SBR jersey. I assume that you did go to school, so just let Beet know where that was, use the colours, or take on a neutral one.
My guess is that you use the College, House and Westville jerseys for your alter-egos just as a cover for trolling, but actually have no real loyalty anywhere, so just use the SBR one, or a picture of satan, or something …
@ Jordaan
What are you, seriously ? i confused? last year you had had a green GW shirt now this year a college shirt and as much as i appreciate the occsaional westville bigs ups its all a bit strange……………… beet u must know?
@Gungets Tuft: You not a true College Old Boy and we all know it.
@Gungets Tuft:
@Playa: When the oke is as transparent as this with multiple handles here, and then cheers himself on, then medication is the only answer. Or perhaps phone Arnold Renz and Ernst Alt.
Naughty corner it is … {sign} .. pity about the name calling having been removed … but it’s not the first time I have looked slightly demented, I can live with that ..
@Jordaan: I thought the meds thing was a reminder and not an insult. Gungets – off you go to the naughty corner boet!
@Cappie: Ek stem 100% saam. Die Natalse skole is baie indrukwekkend! Anyway, time to rest.
Good luck to both teams. It’s a privilege to be associated as Affies supporter to you two well mannered quality schools. Brothers forever.
Good luck to both teams. It’s a privilege to be associated as Affies supporter to you two well mannered quality schools.
@GreenBlooded: @Grasshopper: @GREENMASJIEN: Altitude, travel etc, will certainly not make it easy to play the running game. A pity I will not be close to a TV. Also pity your games’ live scoring cannot be followed on http://www.webrugby.co.za, or can it? I don’t think your forwards have to be overly concerned.
@Deon Pitzer: Thanks mate. Going to watch it on TV. Not a good idea to take them on up front. Use our very skilled backs to good effect.
@GREENMASJIEN: we certainly have the pace out wide, Mukendi, Joubert, Ngcobo, Jonas & Sparks are all lightening quick…fingers crossed! It’s tough to travel to altitude and win though…
@Deon Pitzer: Thanks for the well wishes.
Glenwood can take this one if they can get the ball to do the work.
Attack the space!!! structure and skills ahead of a game of attrition. Easy to coach from an armchair
Go Glenwood , You can dooooooo iiiiit!!!
@GREENMASJIEN: @GreenBlooded: @Grasshopper: Good luck with your game Saturday. Really hope you guys win.
Well done to Glenwood on a great result against a good MC side.
Will need to step up for this coming Saturday against Monnas , keep up the first 15-20 min tempo shown in the MC game for 40min+.
the Wit Bulle will be defending channel 1 with their big boys , Hope to see GW take it wider, faster and harder.
Time to take on another top 10 side and come out on top!!!!!!
@Jordaan: I think Beet needs to give you one of the weekly caps. “You go boy”
@Jordaan: Dunno about Gungets being intellectually challenged. He might be a tow truck driver but instead of sucking on a Marlboro, scanning the police frequencies and comparing tyre profiles with his competitors while parked off on the center median – he sits and reads Shakespeare and plays the stock market on his iPad. That’s why he always makes it to the accident scene first – doesn’t have to flick the stompie, and get back in the drivers seat. Gives him a head start.
Why do you associate farmers with being intellectually challenged BTW? Just asking? Don’t you know that you should never criticise a farmer with your mouth full?
@Jordaan: Tow truck driver. But the regulars all know that, and they put up with me. I just tend to avoid going unarmed into a battle of wits, it just screams “practical class”, and we really should try to hide that.
@Gungets Tuft: You need to get a grip of yourself and stop leveling the insults or nothing will change. You sound a little intellectually challenged too, so I guess that’s why you can’t stop. Are you a farmer by any chance?
@Playa: Oh, so people, including this Gangets fool can blatantly insult me and tell me to take meds etc and that’s within the house rules?? That’s only going to anger me even more!
@Jordaan: A teacher at College once told me that swearing is the crutch of the intellectual cripple. Hobble along there boetie, I am sure there is someone here that takes you seriously, even if it is just your two imaginary friends who also pop up at strange times like yours to support you. Every class has one, we will try and use nice short words so that you can keep up.
And the use of genitalia to describe people, pointless. I am on best terms with ….. ah, forget it, Beet will just message me again
@Jordaan: If you scroll up, on the top right hand corner of the screen, below the blog logo, there is an orange tab written “House Rules” in white. Click on it. If you find that you haven’t broken any of the rules set out there, I say carry on as you have been.
@Gungets Tuft: I think there are 3 of them under the bonnet.
@Jordaan: @Bonthuis: Let me guess. “Both” of you were at school at the same time, just happened to have similar views about Glenwood, have the same sleeping habits, and suffer from the same low levels of literacy.
I think your favourite pub is more likely to be Bemelmans Bar, you have a pot together after skipping your multiple personality drugs.
Give it up bru – yes, “both” of you, and at least stop embarrassing schools that had nothing to do with your sorry mental state. It’s just childish and obvious that your sole purpose is trolling, time for a change. Hop over to News24, it’s heaven for an oke like you.
@GreenBlooded: Have to agree with Ou Jordaan here, you guys take the bait at every opportunity to attack Westville – other than jealousy – why does this happen – ANSWER THE QUESTION!
I like Grassy’s suggestion and welcome a get together at my local pub Waxy O’ Connors. Bring it on!
Funny how whenever there is bad behaviour it involves Glewnood – Do you not learn manners and respect in the harbour mouth!
@Grasshopper:@star: I am a proud College Old Boy, seriously, what has this got to do with Westville? Any chance you Glenwood guys have to attack Westville, it’s such a joke (sour grapes!).
Not sure why Beet had my logo incorrect last season, I am certainly not an lower class Umbilo supporter. What really irks me is this little notion that College supporters have to be aligned with Glewnood supporters – nonsense, everyone knows they would be nothing without buying all of their top players from North of the Vaal 0 since when was Glewnood an Afrikaans school! Let’s call it like it is without Glenwood trying to have their heads up our arses all the time!
@Greenwood: Prefer it not uploaded to be honest, it is not the sort of advertising either of the schools needs, nor will it enhance the reputation of a 93 year old derby. Sleeping dogs I think?
@Greenwood: This story gets better and better!! Now there was a spear tackle!! The 2 VERY experienced officials who are very well skilled in detecting foul play stated that ‘there was nothing there – just handbags’. Until I see video evidence to the contrary I’m going to go with that. I don’t know why everyone is blowing this thing out of proportion. As stated previously – I don’t like the idea of schoolboys, old-boys or anyone else rushing into the fray. It just aggravates the situation and all it takes is one idiot to swing and then all hell breaks loose. Some leadership is needed from the headmasters (of ALL schools) to firmly instruct the boys that their responsibility for their team ends with the war-cries – they are not under any circumstances to try and interfere with the processes on the field. Old Boys and other over-zealous spectators are a bit harder to rein in but at least it is a start.
Gungets – the incident at the end of the game – apologies I was told by a rabid green machine supporter that College pushed the start button – this was not true – what happened is a GM player spear tackled a College player near the seated College Boys and the College Boys understandably reacted & Yonkers called the game – the video clearly shows a whole bunch of Gwd supporters running from the left towards the crowd of College Boys who were on the field – exciting stuff – will upload soon – not as bad as it sounds though – just some some added spice to what was an exciting game –
So, all the spilled milk mopped up, tossed toys put back in their boxes. Good. A little like telling the jury to ignore that question though, don’t you think?
It’s made me reevaluate a view or two about people though. Pity, respect is hard earned, as fragile as cut glass.
@ Beet- why has my avatar not been changed to reflect last weeks prediction pool results.( or are you afraid that your migraines will return
)
@beet: Please can you sort out a KES supporter Jersey for my avatar…..thanks.
And if you do take a personal shot, make sure it doesn’t amount to slander. Butterfly effect … and there’s certainly a storm brewing not far from here …
Taking my leave, thanks, suddenly feels like a not-so-friendly spot to hang out …
@beet: Totally understand that, you have lekker blog.
@Anti Green: Not necessarily referring to you. Some things have been said above that can’t be taken back now and it will be unfortunate that this blog fuels existing tension when it’s meant to be a place of information sharing and constructive debate.
@beet: beet you know who I am, no need to pull the chain. Just making comparison’s nothing else.
A few people around here must just relax a bit.
If you take a dig at someone, expect them to say something back at you.
@Anti Green: We’ve been called that so many times, I immune now
kuk reminds me of a certain R365 blogger
@beet: Kuk kak, Kearsney Queersney same thing.
Geez that spelling of “kuk” looks familiar
Please don’t call me a troll or a kuk stirrer but matrix is a movie, Matric is what some of us hopefully completed. There is a small rumour doing the rounds that 4 major schools are going to boycott the Glenwood fixture and the Red, White and Black is one. Maybe Hopper can kill this rumour as he/she seems to know everything. Great results for GW on the week-end well done.
@umbiloburger: Leave it now boet…..it’s over and there are incidents at every game….let’s focus on Monnas now which will be very difficult away from home…
@umbiloburger: Seriously – you are going to start this, all on the basis that some fool blogging who decides to wear a College jersey. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Someone is going to have to finish the discussion you just started …. good luck with that.
@umbiloburger: No use yakking at Jordaan – others here have pointed out that he is very unlikely to be a College guy ……
which I believe is is why@Westers: Beet probably asked about the WVille jersey because it appears that the same Jordaan had a lot to say about GW last year but apparently wearing a WVille hat at the time….. don’t think offence was meant
@beet: Why pick on Westville?
Just an idea, maybe some bloggers might not be keen, but a KZN bloggers meet up somewhere, Waxies, Hops? We could do an annual awards and get to meet the face behind the avatar, I’m sure we will all be surprised and maybe even already know each other. OR is that the whole point of an Avatar to remain a secret….old Jordaan might be ridiculed a bit though….
@Gungets Tuft: ;-)
@Jordaan: Please tell me what jersey you really want? Westville?
@Gungets Tuft: check the time of the post. I think you were spot on; investigative tow trucking,
TRIALS TODAY BOYS. WOODBURNE FROM 11.
@Jordaan: Seriously bru, get a grip. Next time you are in South Africa pop across to Goldstones and catch up. You can update yourself on the status of schoolboy rugby, and perhaps meet one or two of the bloggers, after they have finished reffing or coaching one of the senior teams. You are out of touch, and wrong, and doubling the effort or volume is not going to change that.
@GreenBlooded: oh yeah, and what makes you a big authority on schoolboy rugby, did you even play the game, can’t deal with anything anti-Glenwood – doos!
@Grasshopper: Ya, guess so, Glenwood being so close to a rugby field is why they are so good at rugby. Damn, why didn’t I think of that before Dusi, I could have spent at least an hour next to the river each day, I wouldn’t have looked 100 years old when I finished.
I reckon the boys might have had to do a little work in it as well.
@Gungets Tuft: well done, with the school next to the Dusi you would expect that. 3rd in SA for Glenwood ain’t bad. It’s like College taking third in SA for surfing…
@Grasshopper: Ja, saw that. I think those were the champs where Louis Hattingh won U18 Victor Ludorum, 6 or 7 golds and College were crowned SA Schools sprint champions ….. 8)
This is for my mate Gungets, again showing Glenwood does not only focus on rugby; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/glenwood-canoeists-excel
@GreenBlooded: Last year Jordaan was a Glenwood supporter.
@GREENMASJIEN: I don’t think Jordaan is a College OB. Doesn’t fit the spec. Just a troll causing s#1t.
@Gungets Tuft: Sanity prevails !
@Jordaan
@Jordaan:
A great game to watch and found the boys from both schools to be exceptionally well mannered and respectful at all times.
Pity we can not say the same for all supporters and bloggers!!!!
@Jordaan: When last did you even watch a schoolboy rugby match in South Africa. Judging by your posting timetable you are on the east coast of America. So popping in here with your brand of insults is not only childish but is embarrassing for College Old Boys. Unless you have first hand info, which I doubt, then why not just leave it alone. Please. Or at least change jersey to something neutral.
This is certainly no surprise, it’s always off the ball stuff with Glenwood, as someone said it’s a celebration of sport the has to turn into a war and get ugly – per the national televised match a few years ago when Glenwood started to get frustrated with losing and felt they had to start a punch up!
By far an away the most poorly mannered school boys in the province too!
@Redblack White: Glenwood would never drop the College fixtures and vice versa, it’s a traditional fixture set in stone. Same for DHS and the other 6 big schools in KZN. All schools go through peaks and troughs….we didn’t win a game vs College in the 50’s, played 17 won ZERO!
@Grasshopper: Hopefully Speartackle saw this – he seemed to think earlier in the week that Glenwood should drop these fixtures for some more competitive ones outside the province.
@Grasshopper: Wow – as close as that!
The big thing here is this – had the results weighed in any differently and in any particular school’s favour – ask the boys – would they prefer to continue these annual fixtures and the answer would be a resounding YES!
Regardless of the theatrics off the field, these guys enjoy playing one another and Greenblooded said it all earlier – these guys are fierce rivals on the field and mates off it. The combined huddles bear testimony to it.
I still recall the u16 game last year at College – fiercly competitive and College had the opportunity to sneak a win in the dying moments. The self same Matt Kriel who now plays 1sts missed the penalty kick and was inconsolable. Who was it that picked him up and gestured to the other College boys to keep their chins up ? It was their erstwhile team mate Staples – who had been in their faces throughout the game – right there at the final whistle it was all good spirits and genuine respect for the other side. This is what these clashes are all about – not we old folks doing our nut on the side!!!
Results of Glenwood vs College; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/SPORT%20RESULTS%20vs%20COLLEGE%20KERSHAW.pdf
Played: 25
Glenwood won: 12
College won: 10
Drawn: 3
Points for Glenwood: 430
Points for College: 432
Avg score: 17-17
Gosh you can’t get more matched than that really. Interestingly College have the stronger Under15 group as a whole and Glenwood by far the stronger in Under14. Under16 looks a match…..interesting years ahead in the rugby. On the hockey front it’s all College bar the main game….
My experience on the day (I arrived halfway through the U14A match) was one of a typical Glenwood vs College day. Boy’s from 2 great schools giving it horns on the field and being mates off the field. Great to see. It’s as it has always been. I’m going to slip into my working week in the comfort that I witnessed another great spectacle and will hopefully continue to do so for many years to come. Personally, I will not allow the odd anecdote from people who seem to thrive on drama to detract from this and spoil my Monday. I think us adults could learn a lot from the way our son’s conduct themselves.
@Redblack White: Sets up what will undoubtedly be a cracking game on Goldstones!!!
@Grasshopper: @Dixon’s: Couldn’t agree more. My favourite comment on this thread is Grassy’s opening comment – “great to see 26 rugby games and 15 hockey games”- long may this tradition reign.
again, my point was not to point out any hargy bargy – that stuff is for the boys to laugh about the rest of the week – even the fellow with the busted nose is wearing it proudly today – no arguments.
We have great times in these fixtures, and what a lot of people forget is that many of us have mutual interests – my favorite nephew is a GW boy and a great kid. No one is saying these okes are anything but passionate about their school.
lets not mess it up with nonsense – let the good times roll on – I will re-iterate what I said at 16:42 on Saturday : FT 27-14. Convincing win for GW. College tried but could not overturn the ascendency of the first 15 minutes. Well done Green Machine!
@Redblack White: Possibly the best comment iv seen about the incident –
“My point is that this is schoolboy sports and much as we dislike it, they will get carried away in their activities on the field. They are a wild bunch and need constant grooming”
you hit the nail on the head….. the behavior of the boys or the fans is not mark against Maritzburg College or Glenwood, just a few individuals who got carried away in the moment
@Redblack White: Firstly no school can control their kids parents or dictate how they behave, impossible to do. These types of incidents happen at all schools, none are perfect. I thought it wrong that a school is painted all the same by a few isolated incidents. If the boy punched a College boy and broke his nose then this should be reported officially to the Glenwood Headmaster through the appropriate channels. Some of the posts here are soaring what was a great game and day between two fierce rivals. As a GOB I was very proud of both schools and the health that our Gov schools sport is in even with trying economic times. Shaun Pollock at the Old Boys dinner said this which amazed me, of the 85 Proteas picked since readmission only 5 were from private schools (Herschelle Gibbs, David Terbrugge and a couple of others), the rest from Gov schools. Let’s be proud of both College and Glenwood!
@Redblack White: Drop me a mail to gungetstuft(at)gmail-dot-com please.
I wonder what it is about the Glenwood vs College derby that seems to bring out the worst in everyone. Despite Cindy’s contention that “I am not the only one who experiences it and it is not only vs Glenwood”, I can tell you that there are no letters flooding the school after any other school derby. It’s this match up (and apparently Kearsney, with reports above of “off the ball stuff”), certain things are as predictable as night following day, this sort of discussion and mud-slinging follows Glenwood vs College.
I find it disappointing, that this day seems to be built up as a day of war, rather than a day of sport played by two fine insitutions. I can see it ending up as one of those premier league soccer games where the teams play to empty stands, because I am almost certain it is the pressure on boys from the stands, both in the build-up and on the day, that causes the aggro.
Said it before, the best team will win on the day, and they did. What a pity that it is marred by off-the-field points scoring.
My last word on it. Well done Glenwood, took the 1st Fifteen and 1st Eleven match-ups, not easily done – in my world at least.
@CyndiAtRugby: A pity that you had to experience this and I am sure your letter will receive the necessary attention. Your comment about the slipping standard is rather derogatory and pious so I assume you have a one sided view and turn a blind eye to any such behaviour from your boys.
In any event, it is not a matter for old boys to sort out and the school management will take care of this.
I also hope that a similar view will be taken on the boy who punched and broke the nose of an u16C rugby player and got away with it on field, and also against the hockey boys for their poor conduct.
My point is that this is schoolboy sports and much as we dislike it, they will get carried away in their activities on the field. They are a wild bunch and need constant grooming.
I am personally much more disturbed by the actions of fans along the side. My favorite one after the game-sealing try, a forty something mom jumping up and gesturing at the retreating College boys – “in your face losers” – wow, classy!
@Grasshopper: @Dixon’s: The cream blazers are the shouting captains. Honours blazers are same as the rest of the school but the boy will have a white badge on his pocket and gold trim around the red shield and an honours tie.
@Jordaan: Glenwood might move up and College down after the Glenwood 3-2 win yesterday.
@Grasshopper: http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/hockey/national/boys-hockey-the-sa-schools-top-60-rankings.html
@CyndiAtRugby: I am certain that your letters will get the appropriate attention.
@Gungets Tuft: It must have been the sea air or the hyping on the day.
As I mentioned, I was most impressed about the senior boy (I assume he was senior because he had loads of badges on) who came to apologise to me.
I have sent letters with the relevant information through to the Head
@Gungets Tuft: I always thought that those cream blazers where the war cry leaders! I like the idea of a separate honours blazer, I know Northwood hand out a white blazer for an honours award. Does the headboy of College not get a different blazer?
@Grasshopper:
I don’t think it was ever Glenwood who voiced concerns about the lack of presence of Sharks officials 
Somewhere down the line there is going to be a misperception about Etienne Fynn being at Glenwood games all the time.
Apparently he has a relative who schools at Glenwood and that’s why he attends their games.
I saw both Etienne and Butch at Northwood a few weeks ago so that was pleasing because they were officially there to view the talent on display.
@Grasshopper: School it’s and their shoes, eeisch. I have to threaten bodily harm to get my lightie to polish his shoes. Nonstandard shoes, dayboys only, never happen in the BE.
I have seen Butch at a few games, even the Hilton vs Northwood game. Crowd too big yesterday to know if he was there but I would be astonished if he wasn’t.
The cream blazers are honors blazers. They do look good, bugger to keep clean.
The subtle implications that prefects were not in attendance in front of the College boys is silly, of course they were, and if the video ever makes it from the phone that will become obvious.
@Gungets Tuft: I felt both sets of kids to be respectful and well mannered. I do think some of the boys could be neater though. Also, do they check their shoes? Some seriously pointed wickelpickers! I quite like the cream College blazers, look very smart. Maybe these schools need a Head of Appearance to sort them out. I did see Etienne Fynn there which is great! Finally some Sharks presence….no Butch James unless he was watching somewhere else…
@CyndiAtRugby: And as little as a year ago there was a letter to the College headmaster aout the exemplary behaviour of the College boys, them offering to carry stuff for them, them getting tired of the boys greeting them. Must be the sea air.
To clarify on a few points – It was RR on that side at the end of the game. The stands may be close to the side of the field BUT the rope between the stands and field had been droped and I got tired of telling MC boys to get back. Glenwood managed this but maybe because there were prefects on duty. There was also space left on the stands but the Grade 8 were told they must sit on the grass.
I would like to compliment the senior MC boy who came to apologise to me about a boy’s language while adressing a ref and again at me for rebuking him about this. Unfortunately the medics reported that this continued and got worse. Please MC Old Boys address this behaviour. I am not the only one who experiences it and it is not only vs Glenwood. College has always had a reputation of being a place that raised gentlemen but this is rapidly slipping.
Well done to the officials for breaking up the brawl so quickly.
@GreenBlooded: yeah, it would have happened anywhere….not a reflection on College at all. A mass brawl must be a headmasters biggest worry!
@Grasshopper: Had it happened on the Glenwood end I’m sure the reaction of the boys would have been similar. It’s a natural reaction to a certain extent: One of my kin is in trouble – I must help him. I’ve seen it often at many different places. It’s a sign of passion and loyalty which is a good thing – just misdirected. Like I said – better to stay out and let the match officials do their thing. The more bodies in the mix – the more likely someone does something silly and then all hell breaks loose.
@GreenBlooded: I didn’t see any Old boys running towards it and was really proud of the Glenwood schoolboys staying back. It could have got ugly if that had happened….
@Greenwood: If you manage to get over your technological challenges
and get that footage, I’d like to have a booga if you don’t mind. You have my email address. Can’t remember which AR was on that side – but if it was RR then anything untoward would have been dealt with to the letter – he is a Super Rugby AR so quite used to spotting off-the-ball incidents. Some might have noticed Jonker standing well back – not running into the fray – exactly as it should be done. The closer you get the less you see. I spoke to him afterwards, he said there was nothing there.
Don’t like the idea that “GW Old Boys were running at pace towards the incident” any more than I like the idea of the College Boys who started moving towards it. The more people who enter the fray – the more likely a nasty incident is. People must just sit back, chill and let the officials sort out what happens. That’s their job.
As a neutral watching the game, I thoughts Jonker did a great job. It does help quietening ending the critics as they tend to shy away from giving the ref a tough time when they know his pedigree.
As for the match, I though it was a great game. It lived up to all expectations. I thought GW were dominant. Perhaps a little sour grapes from last weekends match at Goldstones, I was happy to see college get a little of their own medicine. There was up characteristically a lot more off the ball stuff from them vs Kearsney, which I naturally was not pleased about, as I have huge respect for them. So to have them meet their match was nice. I’m not at all saying GW was off the ball, just though their sheer physicality was nice to see meted out to college. From the hype, Holder was a merely shadow of his abrasive self compared to last week. Tharrat and le roux were doing too much hard graph to be noticed, and goody was quiet.
Standouts were Venter geez were did this guy come from. Wow, has the makings of a serious open side flanker for CW if he plays like this week in week out.
I still like Tharat, but just a was quieter today, or neutralized by the bigger GW or more physical GW pack.
Sparks was in sublime form. Wow. Loads of it.
All in all, great clean game from both teams (as I saw it). Great SBR spectacle.
Oh, I see Mas the college no two seems to be finding his jumpers, so the no 2 CW spot still tensely contested.
We’ll done the Ville for bringing the Cup back to KZN.
@umbiloburger: Sure was a privilege. Unfortunately it’s what doesn’t happen that people tend not to notice – the way he manages errors away, ignores the unimportant stuff and lets the boys get on with it. I wonder what his penalty count was? Probably not much more than 10-12 for the match. Incredible management. These guys are so experienced – it must be a doodle for them at this level, which would frighten the hell out of most of us amateurs.
Overage players – I alluded to it here: @GreenBlooded: It is going to explode into a big racial issue one of these days – and Lord help us when the politicians get their paws on that. Glenwood has another 20 years or so to live with the fallout of the Tom debacle (see above for exhibit A, B, C, D and E) so don’t see the focus on black GW players ending anytime soon.
@GreenBlooded: to have Jonks ref the match was a privilege. He did slip up once or maybe twice, but wow, what a referee.
I am happy now that no 3 new guys suddenly appeared to play. Must be honest really tired of all the concerns of over age players…..again. People concern themselves about the big black U14 player, but no mention is made of the monster white player in the U15A. Stereo typing perhaps!!!!
Well done to the Glenwood 1stXV , dominant in all facets.
Looks good for the future with U14A winning 55-0 !!!
Monnas and KZN trials this coming week!!!!
Nice work by Westville to secure the Grogper Cup for the last outpost! Back where it belongs :-)
@Gungets Tuft: at least he would have done many classes before he left
@Gungets Tuft: I think they missed a trick there, he could have been here in time for College. Considering Jaco is away that would have been a good enough excuse?
@LineBreak: Ag phooey man. Drop him into a PE class or something and play him against Monnas
@McCulleys Workshop:
@Grasshopper: I doubt he will be back for any school, more than likely for a visit during the UK half term.
I understand he is doing well and enjoying Woodhouse Grove.
@Grasshopper: I’ve heard that Northwood have bought him. He gets a Ford Fairlane, long board bolted to the roof and free modeling shoot if he stays till the end of the season.
I have to think that with Marius Jonker (Test Referee / Super Rugby Referee) in the middle and Reuben Rossouw (Premier Division Referee / Super Rugby assistant referee) on the one side, that has to be the most experienced officiating panel ever assembled for a school match. I might be wrong – but I would imagine so. If they aren’t good enough then I give up. Did they make a few errors? Sure! Did they change the result of the match? No! I’ll bet that for every error they made (let’s not forget they are also human) the players probably made 50. So that’s where the focus needs to be – not on the officials.
The Moor Cup games are now at 15:30 on a Saturday afternoon. Same time as the big school matches. Guess who get’s first dibbs on the top referees? Clue: it isn’t the schools!! The howls are set to get louder as the Beatties, Watsons, Van Der Linde’s and Wedderburns get appointed to the Moor Cup and the schools are left with No 15,16,17 and 18 on the panel. One day they might even get someone like me – then Lord help us all!!
@Grasshopper: Whoever takes him will probably just write his name into the book in pencil ….
It’s not to say that there is not a school that will not take him, but loyalty is not on the top of his list …
I wonder if he had a language barrier over there
@Dixon’s: Fair point, we were the same, close games generally, but we didn’t win them, ever, and now it seems to be a little more 50/50 and the fear and trepidation that once existed, doesn’t. However we are generally lucky to walk away with a win against Glenwood, although both 2012 and 2014 were very close games. Westville have been erratic this season but I think any side that underestimates them, does so at their peril.
@Gungets Tuft: i had 2 cooler boxes (and very thirsty mates) one green one red….
If Staples is back I wonder what school he will go to? Does he expect to make Craven Week?
@Dixon’s: Next time have a cooler box with Joko on the side, not that big-ass hebbie – lumo green yes???? – that screens “drink me”. Jeez man, do I have to teach you everything. The only people that didn’t smell the beer were the security okes… or did they, and did you have to “dash” them …??
@McCulleys Workshop: Valid point, but I think what does separate Glenwood v College is that the fixture is twice a year like it used to be for Glenwood v DHS.
and from my own personal memories from when i was in School i had a few victories against all the other schools but i was never in a team that beat College.
@McCulleys Workshop: House for sure is a Glenwood hoodoo team. Maybe closer than College over the past 10 years. Kearsney & Westville only really the past 3 years, before that we had quite long winning streaks. I think it was about 6 years for both Highway schools. House is up there!
@Dixon’s: What about your narrow victory over House on your home pitch where you were losing for most of the game? Although there is possibly good competition across the age groups, in recent years House, Kearsney and Westville have generally provided better competition at 1st team level, or not?
@Dixon’s: Totally agree, College are most respected rivals and any win over them must be savoured. We got pumped by them for 60 years so can never really make up for that. I however savour wins over Westville even more, just due to the personal connection….
@Gungets Tuft: i was surrounded by Vultures…. Beer Vultures, as soon as i opened the cooler box they descended and went crazy.
@Gungets Tuft: a 13 point win at this and higher level is consider quote comfortable, nobody cares or remembers what the score was 3 minutes to go. It’s like saying we almost beat the All Blacks with 3 to go but lost in the end. Point is Glenwood did deserve the win and probably should have won by more if not for the never say die College attitude and Glenwood being complacent. They need to go for the jugular when up 17-0 ten minutes into a game…
i think we all need to stop making a big deal about the incident at the end of the game… we all saw it but we will all see it differently. Let the respective schools deal with it should there be any behavior that warrants punishment. and can we just focus on the rugby…..
A wonderful Old Boys Weekend against what now must be Glenwoods most fierce rivals (much as I enjoy when the Green Machine beat the Horseflys, i think College have replaced School as our number 1 rivals) a victory on Old Boys Day against a very good College side is something that i will hold in high regard for a long time!
@Grasshopper: Not touchy at all, you are making comments that need some reason added. Read this again …”My 5 cents worth on the Glenwood vs College game, Glenwood left plenty of tries on that field, they dominated most aspects. Kevin Du Randt was immense in the line out. Palvie did well but is not the finished product yet, raw talent is there. He absolutely smoked the College centre in the first couple of minutes. Sparks was his brilliant slippy best and Mukendi showed his wheels. Venter & Mac overshadowed the College flanks. For College Holder played well and Goodsen not bad. I think he is a little small for an 8 though, like his guts and attitude. Too quiet a leader for me. The return at College will be closer but Coetzee and Joubert will be back…..will be another cracker! Kudos to College for fighting back after being blitzed in the first 10…. ”
Then put that into the context of it being a 6-point game with 3 minutes to play. Doesn’t compute boyo …
Not a single College commentator here has said Glenwood didn’t deserve the win, but if you read your comment, what do you think you would guess the score to be?
@Grasshopper: Eeisch, bru. The one time they were going to use Goodsen off the back, 5m from the Glenwood line, the ref forced him to move to the backline to compensate for your 15 being off.
A friend of mine made a good comment after the match and in the middle of a debate about various technical points. If a test ref is not good enough for a schoolboy match, who is. Would you rather have the 6th best Durban sub-union ref?.
We can pick on any number of times when we thought, from our positions up to 50m from play, where the TEST ref got it wrong, but the score is on the board, in the book, and the lights are out on Dixon’s (except up near the pool where one oke is wondering what the hell happened to all the cold Hansa’s
).
Agree – handbags, but it’s not going to stop a careful edit from looking bad on Youtube. Such is life hey.
How many turnovers did Kevin du Randt make just ripping the ball from the mauls, I saw 3 on the Ivan Pavilion end…..immense strength there and he does the basics very well…..like him.
@Dixon’s: Agreed, but you asked for it!
@Gungets Tuft: Mate, why so touchy. I just saw Palvie flying in like a torpedo and completely stopped what looked like an almost certain College try in the 1st minute. The tackle of Sparks was midfield, not try saving. Anyway, Palvie has huge talent but I think might end up at lock next year….he has the bulk and height now…
@Pedantic: as soon I typed it I knew someone would make a comment like yours…. but what im getting at is people make to big a deal about big hits. A well executed tackle that results in a turnover is far more valuable than a big violent hit that gets the crowd jumping
@Gungets Tuft: Yeah good tackle on Sparks, finally as most of the game he was running rings around the College backline, he just seems to find the gaps so easily. The ref missed a blatant obstructional run by Holder before our 15 got yellow carded. I think that gave College a sniff and they took it. The argy bargy at the end was handbags, part and parcel of excited kids. Nothing to get all disciplinary on. It was separated and the boys shook hands. I like to see what it means to the boys as it shows they are passionate, better that than not bothered. Both sides didn’t fire, but in the end the Glenwood blitz in the 1st twenty was the difference…
@Dixon’s: Interesting concept … with that mentatily you don’t win if you win all your scrums and lineouts or create quick ball on the ground either ?
I think tactically College missed an opportunity to use Goodson off the back of the scrum more, using his speed to put the inexperienced Palvie under pressure…they did it once early on and it worked but they strangely didnt do it much for the rest of the game
@Dixon’s: Agree 100% .. my comment was simply in response to “Palvie did well but is not the finished product yet, raw talent is there. He absolutely smoked the College centre in the first couple of minutes.”
Another edit – when Sparks was hit in midfield everyone felt it, yet the oke bounced to his feet and carried on as if nothing had happened. It’s a real tribute to his conditioning. He is the real deal.
@Greenwood: No aggro frmo the College boys. They pushed all the players off themselves, your #2 took the opportunity to punch Watson in the face. This from my son who was seated in the top of the stand directly above the incident. But it would be interesting to see what you got on the video. I believe the official comment from the Ref and assistants was “handbags”. I will have the school video on Monday, it might also shed some light, but perhaps “appeared to be aggro”, not a hand was raised from the College supporters. “Frustration maybe” … tsk, tsk, tsk.
Bluntly – that stand is too close to the field, if a run of the mill tackle can end up landing right among the spectators.
Edit – remember that it is all 2nd Formers that sit at the front, hardly the profile to start any argy with a Glenwood front rower.
@Gungets Tuft: Ya I hear you and if you only saw 2nd half you would have missed the domination in the first 20 minutes at which stage it looked like GW would run away with 40 plus.
Respect to the College boys to come back fighting … never expected anything less.
@Gungets Tuft: too much is made by everyone of big tackles…. you dont win if you make bigger tackles or “smoke” players! You win by scoring more points
@Pedantic: My point is just that ou Grassy seemed to miss an equally smoked tackle on Sparks and Coetsee cutting them in half on the break. Could easily have been a try but for the professional foul in front that only cost 3. And the flanks, all I saw in the second half was College in the loose.
No complaints, the score is in the book, but when the score was only 6 in it with 3 minutes to play the words “comfortable win” were probably not on anyone’s lips. I think the College boys deserve a little more analysis than that. Remember, I only saw the second half, so it’s all I have to judge ….
……Staples shud arrive within a week
My ten cents on the Gwd College Game
College as usual played with their usual guts and fire and never gave up –
GM played in fits and starts and there was a time we thought College would take it – before the game I even predicted that MC would win
I note lack of of comments about the incident at the end of the game when a GW player was tackled into the stands where MC boys were seated and there was agro from the MC boys – there were GW old boys running at pace towards the incident – got it on my new I Phone – not too sure how to get it onto my PC though – have tried without success but will try upload on to you tube
All well that ends well with GW & MC players getting into a huddle – the issue appeared to be the boys in the stands – frustration maybe ?
@Grasshopper: At Glenwood that is…
@Dixon’s: Ah sorry, you maybe right Holder’s break away try. I agree, they should have stuck to the basics and kept things simple. Lesson learnt hopefully. Game at College will be immense, hopefully make that one too. I see College have not won since 2005, nice streak there. Hopefully make it 10 years in 2015!
To all the Glenwood guys
Unconfirmed, but I hear Staples is on the way back to Durban – shud arrive with a week ………………….
@Grasshopper: I think you have that wrong mate…. College only scored 1 try.
For me the game fell apart when Glenwood started trying to play too loose when they went into a big early lead instead of keeping some structure to the game and keeping it a bit tighter. Also I think the coaches made a mistake by bringing on a centre and moving Spam to the wing when the starting wing got injured! Messed up the balance of the back line
@Gungets Tuft: If Kriel offloaded to a 5 man overlap it may have been different, but honestly GW had this match pretty much wrapped up.
Apart from that one error, Kriel is looking better and better every time I watch him – looking forward to his 2015 season, IMHO he could turn into something special.
Today College were but a shadow of the intensity they showed last week, they only really turned up the heat once the game was already lost. The return game could quite easily go the other way.
@Gungets Tuft: yes, College scored two tries and Glenwood one to kill off any chance of a College win. Glenwood went to sleep for most of the 2nd. In the end a relatively comfortable win.
@Grasshopper: And the second half …..
My 5 cents worth on the Glenwood vs College game, Glenwood left plenty of tries on that field, they dominated most aspects. Kevin Du Randt was immense in the line out. Palvie did well but is not the finished product yet, raw talent is there. He absolutely smoked the College centre in the first couple of minutes. Sparks was his brilliant slippy best and Mukendi showed his wheels. Venter & Mac overshadowed the College flanks. For College Holder played well and Goodsen not bad. I think he is a little small for an 8 though, like his guts and attitude. Too quiet a leader for me. The return at College will be closer but Coetzee and Joubert will be back…..will be another cracker! Kudos to College for fighting back after being blitzed in the first 10….
@Dixon’s: No, no, that’s not the way it’s done. We don’t serve tjwala at the school but I will certainly spot you a cold one or two across at the bowls club. I didn’t expect to arrive after the speeches and still score a beer.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: That’s a great set of results Horsie!! Well done – very encouraging!!
@Gungets Tuft: I didn’t watch that game but I believe there are two suspicious boys. It’s wrong no matter what side or school, certainly not hypercritical….
@Gungets Tuft: Return game in the Capital…. I will buy you a cold beverage of your choice!
@HORSEFLY NO.1: You have my email address. Not going to discuss it here. Didn’t see the game myself, but apparently that U14A side is brilliant, College got it in spades from them today.
@Gungets Tuft:
Does the Glenwood U14A side have some suspicious players??
If so then this will be the 2nd time im hearing this…first was from the DHS U14A captain after they lost 19-7 to the same team.
Just looking for clarification since I haven’t seen the Glenwood side play as yet.
In other news, DHS vs Northwood results;
U14A- DHS won 49-5
U15A- DHS won 45-17
U16A – DHS won 62-7
1st- DHS won 11-6
@Dixon’s: Very disappointing boet, I had built myself up to a 7-day camel thirst ….. But I have one now and will live to moan another day
@Grasshopper: Did you apply your age definition skills to your U14 side. Mail me for specifics.
Well done Glenwood! Getting really tired of saying this. Need to really win the home game to stop this losing streak against the locusts.
Beers got finished just before halftime of the 1st team game…. sorry Gungets!
FT 27-14. Convincing win for GW. College tried but could not overturn the ascendency of the first 15 minutes. Well done Green Machine!
20-3, should be further ahead. 15 got yellow…almost half time…
17-0 up 15 mins in….
Glenwood 10-0 up 10 mins in. Forwards are out muscling College currently. Palvie is an animal!
Glenwood 2nds win 13-12! Close game!
13-7 2nds, about 10 mins to go. Very impressed by Klopper, Xaba and De Fondaumiere….
@saints: that must have been a one off, all the rugby games at the school have been played in good spirit and clean. Boys shaking hands, praying and doing war cries together…..so something must have happened….
@rbw1863: dude have you seem him?
Just watched the first hockey – could have been a great game – pity Glenwood feel that they have to resort to dirty play- hitting people in the face, tugging at players off the ball,jabbing players with their stick.The umpiring sadly two wass dismal.I am neutral who came to watch what should have been the game of the year – and left wondering how the Glenwood coaching staff and parents could condone what happened on the astro – win at all costs???
Liking Matiwane at 9, lightning quick! R Van Rensburg maybe wasted at fullback…2nds 7-0 to Glenwood, 1st half…
@Grasshopper: That comment about the U16 boy is unnecessary to say the least. These boys read the comments on here.
@Jordaan: what bubble? They have already lost 2 games of 11 this year and missing their 2 best players. Glenwood are the underdogs….love how some bloggers think Glenwood are arrogant, far from it. Glenwood did win the 1st hockey, 3-2 :-)
@star: Looking forward to College bursting the big green bubble of arrogance.
Great post, Westville must be very proud to be the top hockey school in the country! I know it really boils certain people’s blood here in KZN to see Westville’s national and Olympic success!
16a’s 26-26! Great game. Glenwood missed the kick to win it. They did very well to come back for the draw. Looked stale for most of the game….
U16A 26-26
Sorry but the College *** is not 15, no chance. He is more muscular than Beast. Seriously need to check that ‘boy’….in all my years of training in gyms etc never seen a 15 year old built like that….
U15A GW 24 MC 7 FT
U15A GW 12 MC 0 HT
U14A GW 55 MC 0. That GW team is something else.
@GreenBlooded: Ouch!
U14A GW 25 MC 0 HT
@McCulleys Workshop: Agreed, more importantly it reflects on the kids parents. Surely parents will be able to pick up if their kid is potentially using substances…….change in behaviour, size etc….coaches and teachers can’t be blamed for everything…
@beet: Beet as has been blogged before, this PED’s issue is not about any one school, but about the responsible action and sanction by schools against drug users. It is certainly no reflection on any of us bloggers if our Alma Mater are found with drug users, nor is necessarily a reflection on the school, but it is most certainly a reflection on the coaches and leadership of the school based on how they deal with the matter. Granted for fear of legal repercussions no school would want to make any statement, albeit of the way a matter was positively dealt with and any users properly sanctioned. So we will never know other than via the grape vine which matters are correctly dealt with and pupils banned etc. However all too often we are hearing of pupils being caught or coaches being aware of players using drugs and nothing being done about it. Nothing. I agree, this would make a great journalistic piece, NOT to destroy the reputation of a pupil or a school, but to highlight the scourge that is taking place and the associated dangers and health risks.
@beet: Any school worth their salt is recruiting, sportsmen, academics, arts, the lot. It goes beyond just marketing, being around talent is inspiring for the less talented. It’s the how, when, where that pollutes the drinking water. And it should never be at the expense of the less talented, that’s not inspirational at all. So to give different opportunity to a select few, that’s going to cause issues.
@Buffel: Great to hear that it got sorted. There will be and OB from 1942 at the dinner, another from 1944 I think. Gutted I can’t be there, it will be a great evening as usual.
@GreenBlooded: “exhaustive journalism”
I think you have me figured out all wrong. These recruitment matters are falling into my lap, I don’t have to go out looking for them. With regards to the 3 on the plane, I had been told about it a few days back. The story only really got interesting yesterday with the denial. The most work I had done before yesterday was to reply email someone I thought could make a difference and share my thoughts on the way forward which I said was 1) do nothing but realise that this is a GW policy* and as they get better at recruiting, it would show up more and more in the A-team results 2)Try to match GW, which entails finding more or bigger sponsors to offer more or bigger bursaries as well as spending more time and resources to scout players 3) Get all the schools from around SA that feel the same way about anti-recruitment together and get some proper rules in place.
I know that there is a headmasters meeting in the pipeline (might have already taken place) as a result of the 3 on the plane, so hope floats for a new start – at present everyone seems to want to justify their own recruits and condemn those of others.
With regards to the Kearsney issue, that is something where I have actually gone out to try get the facts and it is something I would like to blog. Not the straight forward issue of positive testing though. There are numerous stories like that. Last year I believe I gave up an opportunity to have the blog’s biggest ever post about a bust. Based on all the correspondence I had to deal with via email, direct messaging etc I’m sure a post would have got 1000+ comments. But I didn’t want to go there. It’s not just in KZN either. There have been several of these cases from around the country shared with me but in each case it is almost impossible to detach a player’s name from the incident and in some cases it involves ambitious players with rugby futures after school plus no school will ever assist by providing facts. I actually had someone phone me with the names of a couple of high profile players in a different province that he insisted I had to name and shame, because this was the only way we could bring about meaningful change, suggesting that the cover-ups were not helping the fight against drugs or the causes of clean players who will still lose out on CW selection and/or after opportunities to these +ve testers. But again thats for someone else to take that bold step. Schools and the public have still not separated the actions of the individual from that of the school. It’s still viewed as one and the same for some reason and therefore it’s considered a knock to their reputation. Also the SA Schools Act means they have to protect the student with things like confidentiality etc. So with regards to drug tests, I’d rather the proper journalists lead with these sensitive stories and I’ll just do the links. Talking about the generalised issues is fine but the specifics becomes tricky.
Anyway the drug topic I want to cover is not about knowing who got who got caught but because everyone should know if drug tests are being conducted and the results thereof are being legally challenged by parents, who are winning. So it really boils down to what was wrong with the test to begin with? If anyone has information that can be used and not refuted (legally or otherwise) please pass get in touch with me – email address at top of page
I also wanted to say that the use of banned substances is not limited to just certain schools, what goes around comes around. Those that are so keen to see these matters in black and white beware that it’s potentially going to be an incident at your school next or the one after that or the one that recently happened at your school that you didn’t know about and it will come around to the same schools that have had it before again and again, it just boils down to a question of how often tests are done and how well the finding are guarded.
*the reference to GW policy does not mean GW are the only ones doing it. There are plenty of schools that are discretely recruiting rugby players
@Grasshopper: There is no problem with that, as you give kids that have great talent but can’t afford the opportunity to go to great schools, that privilege. Then you need to stick with that investment and develop it. You can’t abuse the bursary system. Hope you have a successful day today.
@Buffel: My grandad is 88, KES 1st team 1943 & 1944, not sure if he is the oldest KES old boy left, probably not…
@Anti Green: Thing is all schools are now buying success either at grade 8 or later. Westville offer in excess of 60 bursaries at grade 8….Glenwood 45….
@Grasshopper: Hey Hopper sounds like an awesome evening. How is your head feeling this morning. That is a very valid point, either do it at Grade 8 or at Grade 10 not both as then you tend to loose or not enough attention is given to the kids at the lower levels as instead of giving those kids 100% you know you you can then just focus on the second intake if they don’t perform. And as you rightly say, you are just buying success, not developing it.
My old man is a college old boy and at 87 is probably the oldest living . He captained the 1944 team and I will be there to honour him 70 years on . Go College, you can do eeeet!
Great Old Boys evening, Shaun Pollock is a great speaker! Very inspiring. Was great to hear TK talk about academics first and then sport. He is a very ambitious man who wants to produce excellence in all fields. However, I do think bringing in the best in grade 10 or 11 is not the right move. That to me is buying success. If they stick to bringing in the cream at grade 8 and nurturing them up over 5 years that is the right formula. I heard TK is doing a post graduate Honours degree in Leadership so hopefully some lessons will be learnt. Also great to see 8 old boys from the 1940’s, one matriculated in 1941! He must be 92! It puts things into perspective, many of the schools we play were not even open when he matriculated. Old Boys dinners are a tradition that must continue. Good luck to both schools today! Go Green!
@umbiloburger: Is that not the point of supporting the opposition. Did you have some cheese with that Whine last night. Best of luck today, let’s hope you are not out numbered by the OC’s on your reunion day and on your own home field.
@beet: Hi Beet.Thanks for a very informative reply. I agree that the major concern relates to the really big players who can do real damage. I would certainly raise the issue with my son’s school if I thought that any of its players was overage. We only notice suspect players when our own teams play against them and I did alert my school in writing when we played ***. A ‘boy’ playing for *** against our 2nd team also merits investigation. I had to sign a waiver to allow my son to play for the first team while still U17 but did not sign up for him to play against men. Having put four sons through the system over a 20-year period (I’m a late developer) I have just about seen it all.
@umbiloburger: You’re up early for a dinner attendee? Either it wasn’t that festive or you haven’t been to bed yet!!
Ja – haters will be haters. Let them be. See you later – may the best team win!! 8)
@Anti Green: See you at the game. Amazing how you always go and watch GW but you are not for them.
@Satans Table: Satans Table I’m on your side tomorrow no matter the result.
@GreenBlooded: did I say beers? I meant diet coke….. if anyone abuses the ref or players…. no more diet coke for them!
@beet: Could be – who knows. The truth will out at some point.
Now if only such exhaustive investigative journalism could prevail in certain other cases. I hear there is an attorney opening a law office at Kearsney – right next to the Physio’s rooms
@Dixon’s: And here’s me for months telling everyone here that there is no alcohol on the stands at Glenwood..
@beet: The boys you are referring to, left Westville due to language barriers. Heard they were good players. The one is now in the Boland CW team
@Gungets Tuft: beers i can definitely help you with (by 16h00 you will have to make do with a lukewarm Hansa)… as for parking you are on your own boet!
@beet: There are boys that fly in for tests and interviews with the Sharks. Happened just before KERF, I know one name at least. Then they fly out. So, how about these three (and another from Hudson Park??) fly in to see the Sharks. The added story told them by their agent is that if the Sharks like them then they could find a spot at Glenwood. Not beyond the realms of possibility.
You can bet on one thing though, the real story will come out somehow, and inevitiably the real story will have been less weird than fiction. If fiction turns out to be the mushrooms on the plane, well, so be it. Already said, there is actually no story here. U16 and younger, pull in and go for it. The only skullduggery would be the guarantee of GK representation and that story seems to have been stillborn anyway.
Moving swifty on – is there anyone willing to lie in the road and reserve me a parking outside Glenwood. I will arrive late, about 4pm, and karrent feel like walking from Tollgate … and since I will be sitting somewhere South near that mini-astro, I will be on the lookout for some skelm sneaking beers out of a small hebbie ..
.. it was good fun there last year, knowledgable rugby okes all having a good time.
@GreenBlooded: I guess there is one last question that could be asked which could sync the two completely different versions: Were there three SBR rugby players on a plane from CT to Dbn with the intention of joining Glenwood?
For any number of reasons, these boys could have left shortly after arriving at the school.
Again I’m not saying any of this actually took place but it would make both versions tie up.
I stand to be corrected on the specifics here but I think it was just last year when 2 rugby W/Cape boys arrived at Westville at the start of the year, spent just a few days at the school and then left for reasons I can’t remember but will try to obtain and relay.
@Beet: Thought so, just remember him having a massive game and really standing out. I still told old Rugger Sake that he would be the CW flank for 2014, did not realise he was u19 this year. Very good player.
I am sure you will also be looking forward to the Coetzee – Sparks battle. Two ferocious centres, going to be a hard, physical battle
@RBugger: Yes that’s him. He was the one who was prominent in the Kearsney game. He’s gotten bigger and stronger and upped his physical game. Very good player this season.
I am sure he was one of the standout players last year against KC, i just remember a very dynamic flank – at the time I thought it was Tharret, but maybe it was Le Roux.
The rules are right, if parents move province for personal/business related matters, then the kid must surely be allowed to play for the school of choice
@umbiloburger: Yup – thanks for all the forthright answers. Makes such a difference when someone from Glenwood responds to allegations – just nips them in the bud. Needs to happen more – although I think with the bar stewards here you would need someone 24/7/365.
@Pedantic: Doubt that will be the last allegation. Don’t hold your breath. Ya – not sure what they spray the cabin with of those flights – magic mushrooms or something.
Sorry just an update on Goi le Roux. Confirmed that his parents relocated to KZN, which immediately makes him an exception in terms of the HMA, meaning irrespective of which grade he joined College in, he is allowed to play for them as an u19.
@umbiloburger: Thanks for all your input – after independent cross examination we can now all relax about the GW U16’s imported & promised GK spots
Brummer looks a cert!
Looking forward to some great SBR tomorrow!
@Pedantic: yup….Cele and Felton are black players and Muller made the South DBN side in the absence of Brummer.
@umbiloburger: Ok ok, 1 last question before we all have to concede that there may have been some toxic gas in the aircraft that possibly caused hallucinations
Are Cele, Muller & Felton B team players ?
@umbiloburger: Impressive!
@GreenBlooded: Loved that didn’t you ?
@GreenBlooded: I concede, certainly no way of making a kid play badly. Haha – it would be quite something to see a kid make a “mistake” and score a brilliant try, rather than a mistake and drop the ball ..
We will see what happens in the ensuing few weeks. If there is a change to the Headmasters Agreement in the next few months we will be able to draw conclusions.
@umbiloburger:
@Pedantic: None…..he is captain of the U15A team.
Quick question to the GW guys … how many games has Kruger played for GW U16A, B or C for that matter ?
I guess Van der Merwe is the 1st choice 13 ?
@Gungets Tuft: If (big if) they are hiding out in the C and D teams – they will be very very noticeable if they are GK material. They will stick out like sore thumbs and I’m sure the watchdogs here will dobb them in within 5 minutes of the final whistle. Doesn’t sound plausible – unless they have been instructed to play badly for the rest of the season
Quiet a subterfuge to stage when they could just put them in the A team tomorrow – as you say, there are no rules that say they can’t.
@beet: “and don’t seem willing to work together to get rules of engagement in place.” … We live in hope there though.
@RBugger: Perhaps, but it also depends on the type of game the opposition play. If the opposition have dymaite 3/4’s then the ball is often spread wide away from the #8 and he will be prominent in cover defense rather than the close up stuff. In one case yards can be important (runnng iin cover), the other tackle count will be high. I think it’s quite rare that yards made and tackle count are both high. No matter, we won’t see them on the field together this time, but the 9th August is still on, not that I particulary like the individual match up thingy in a team game. By then CW selection will be done and dusted, so the question will be moot.
@beet: well hopefully myself and Gungets Tuft have cleared that one up for you.
@star: Yeah sorry. I did not check the list and assumed he was part of final trials. Hewas not selected to advance.
Le Roux is u19 this year. He joined College during 2012 (Gr10) so he qualifies to play in terms of the HMA. I’m not sure if he was recruited or not but if I recall HTS Middelburg were not thrilled about KZN schools around about that time. They also lost big Joe P to Glenwood and there were numerous attempts to acquire both their lock and their flyhalf – I’m not sure who the schools were that attempted to poach those players.
Westville did recruit 2 E/Cape players but there was also talk of other KZN schools being after a few other top E/C players.
You can see the problem. Schools are quick to point out the actions of others (remember recruitment not against any rules/laws) but don’t like attention drawn to their own actions and don’t seem willing to work together to get rules of engagement in place.
I’ve mentioned it before on a post: a simple residency rule eliminates a lot of the incentive for players to move. 24 months before you can represent the province and possibly add an A-team rule as well. 12 months before you can play school a-team.
@GreenBlooded: Don’t YOU start with me …
Ja, proof with accuser, sort of, except where access to all information is not allowed. When there are 230 boys it’s easy enough to hide the wood in the trees. IF (a real if) the boys did arrive and are played in the lower teams this year, they will be invisible next season. And it doesn’t matter – they are U16, no laws against that, no debate from me. It’s the analyst in me, looking for a definite answer to a riddle. There is no smoke without fire … the source of the smoke will out at some stage.
@umbiloburger: We like to think there is an unwritten rule that no specific boys are discussed. In answer to your question,
I believe the boy you mention arrived in 2011/12 (Grade 9/10) when his family moved from Middelburg to the KZN Midlands. Nothing to see there, move along.
@star: Le Roux came to College at the end of Std 8 on his own accord.
@umbiloburger: I asked not to be appointed there. I’ll be doing a game at Kloof High School in the morning and then coming to watch the A team games.
@GreenBlooded: Thank you sir – agree 100% – no need for mudslinging – let’s have a game rather.
For the record though – in 2013 GW pitched up at College on our 150th reunion day and somebody did not read the script. Goodson’s try was supposed to be the game winner, boys streaming onto the field, old boys diving around etc. game won – happiness all round……………….. and then that last try
I’m hoping for another cracker of a game though, and hopefully one of our okes can mess up the script this year
Good luck to both sides though!!
@GreenBlooded: Why are you not blowing at GW tomorrow?
@ Beet- you mentioned Steyns match up with Tredoux with final trials looming. However I am sure that he is listed as not having made final trials which if true would be a surprize. Also when did Le Roux arrive from HTS Middelburg. The College boys seem to have been very quite about that although have jumped on the Hudson Park and other bandwagons.
@beet: He is brilliant. Often get confused between him and Goodson as they run and look the same. Pity he isn’t available for CW. @GreenBlooded: agreed 100%.
@Gungets Tuft: 100% agree with you, but never-the-less, it is a match up in the sense of who gets more involved, tackle count, counter ruck, ball in hand, running lines, linking – although it is not like a wing against another wing, you can certainly see who is adding more to the game, that goes for any position on the field.
@umbiloburger: Don’t know and not really interested. Don’t want to start (or rather continue
) a mud-slinging match here. This story of the ‘boys on the plane’ is just too intriguing to let go. One side is dead-sure it happened, the other side is adament that it didn’t. I have interests in both College and Glenwood and respect them both as the great Govt boys schools in KZN (DHS has sadly fallen out of that clique recently). Just really sad to see the mud-slinging that goes on between them – and I have to say it seems to be predominantly in one direction.
Anyhow – I just hope that between the 4 white lines tomorrow that the rugby is the only point of interest, that both teams have a full go, that the spectators behave themselves in a befitting manner and that we have something to entertain us. Such has always been the case between Glenwood and College despite the obviously bad vibes.
@umbiloburger: I believe he is from HTS Middelburg.
Very influencial player in the College team. His match up with Mac should be a good one as well.
@RBugger: The problem being that #8’s don’t really oppose each other on the field, unlike the 1:1 in the rest of the side – #15 being the other non-match. There might have been a comparison to make, but not much more.
@umbiloburger: we charged spectators R10 entrance fee and bought him for the season.
A little birdy told me John Allan is at Hillcrest High this morning with an open checkbook…
I cannot wait for tomorrows game! either i will drown myself in celebration or be eating humble pie, either way i think its going to be a cracker!
Good luck Grasshopper!
@Satans Table: Red Army style…..welcome back!!! Enjoy that humor. @GreenBlooded: Where did Le Roux come from and when? Just curious because of a rumor I heard at GPKP last night.
Good old Siya Tom, what an incredible joke that was. If I am not mistaken, he was what, 20 yrs old playing KZN U16? It is just shocking, it shows that he was actually a crap rugby player.
Imagine Schramm or the Doops playing U16 this year (and they are only 19) they would run absolute riot and probably take off 5 players a game.
Tom must have been very average not to be scoring at least 5 tries a game. The scary thing is, what would have happened if he critically injured a younger player, it could have been tragic.
On a positive note, I reckon this is the KZN game of the year, what a game this will be. Just such a massive pity Coetzee and Joubert are out, the prospect of a Goodsen vee Coetzee match up would have been epic. After all the hype over both players, it was one contest I really wanted to see.
Good luck to the guys this weekend – SBR is a once off and there is no better rugby, period – enjoy
Where’s the notorious Siyabonga Tom? I heard he might make an appreance for the u15A’s tomorrow? New birth certificate and all…
@Gungets Tuft: With respect – isn’t the burden of proof supposed to fall with the accuser? Sure I read that somewhere…..
Can’t be asking UmbiloBurger to dredge up paperwork to disprove a claim made by others can we? If these 3 mystery guests are at Glenwood – making a mockery of economics by hiding out in D teams – then the truth will out!!
Also – one of the claims was definitely that they were going to get GK spots. Seems this story is being watered down by the minute – better than nothing I guess because a full retraction is just never going to happen.
@GreenBlooded: I am not sure those alleged 3 claimed the GK representation, that was the boy that “arrived from Hudson Park” that was apparently promised that. Smoke and lights everywhere. There is another scenario – similar to when Cameraon Wright arrived at Hilton (did a week in Grade 10, despite him being in Grade 11 already, then repeated Grade 11, and in doing so satisfied the requirement of the HMA) – they arrive this year, don’t play A side (perhaps turn out in lower teams), then start next season in contention for spots in the top open sides. It would be no different to arriving in the last term this year.
@umbiloburger: If you are so sure of your ground, then here’s a suggestion. Send the team sheets for U15A-D and U16A-D for the Westville game to Beet. Then update that each week till term end. There’s proof, cosYcos, like Greenblooded my scientific brain requires proof.
Frankly, I could give a rats if they have arrived and play at Glenwood. To my mind, up till the end of U16, or grade 10, is fair game. It might affect kids that started at Glenwood in Grade 8, that might knock on into your local recruitment, but that’s an issue internal to Glenwood. I was vocal about it at Northwood when they recruited into the 1st side, we don’t yet know the impact at grade 8 recruitment but their U14 sides didn’t do that well against Hilton, so there may be a little smoke signal already. There is always an unintended consequence, but provided there is no bottom to the pocket financing it, you can always find players.
I have thought about this long and hard. I get stuck between the purity of schoolboy rugby as we knew it, back before the Rindepest, when the College intake was from boys who lived in Sleepy Hollow and the farmers sons from Richmond to Kokstad. But back then the Currie Cup players got R50 a game for expenses (except for ou Naas who says he was a millionnaire), had day jobs, and warmed up with a Castle and a Texan plain. Those days are gone, and I don’t believe there is an agreement comprehensive enough (or even possible) that can control the movement of players and the inevitable professionalism that has followed (right down to allegations of +100% bursaries).
I am going to try and remain silent about all this stuff. The corporate books would say that they are in my “circle of concern”, not my “cicle of influence” (pardon me while I find a barf bag!!), so I choose to not worry any more. I expect College to arrive at the game as well prepared as they can be, and play the opposition in front of them. We teach them nothing about life if we try to eliminate opposition in the boardroom – that shyte comes later when the real world slaps them in the face. Right now, let ’em play rugby, let the school act according to their principles in allowing them to do that. Finish and klaar.
See you all on Dixon’s on Saturday. The best rugby team will win, the onlookers will cheer, weep and have a pot, then all reconvene here on Monday to bitch and moan. Such is life.
Anyway this thread has been good. Because school rugby isn’t a mainstream media sport it does have a tendency to produce a lot of rumours. So I’m glad a few things that have been on people’s minds and lips these past few weeks got mentioned and got straightened out. Well hopefully they did.
@GreenBlooded: @CRC: If you scrutinize the U16 trials lists, I am sure that you will see that there are no surprise entrants or players who have popped up out of nowhere. Seriously guys, there are more than 8 selectors from different spheres of KZN schools rugby all operating under the watchful eye of an appointed official of the KZNRU. There is absolutely no way that any school can have this type of influence.
@beet: I agree that you do not need to test everyone, but just a sample, which should be the larger or stronger boys. Just having the testing taking place, even on limited basis, would hopefully put pressure on any over age cheats to think twice.
@GreenBlooded: When the last audit was done everyone was tested. I say only all the big kids and strong kids should be tested. No racial lines there, just exclude non-concern players but even this may be subjective and cause issues.
However as much as anyone tries to avoid this point, it is an issue that moves along racial lines and is therefore a sensitive one.
@beet: I suspect that this would very quickly degenerate into a racial issue.
@CRC: I’ve asked the question in the GK trials thread. I’m sure if there were ‘mystery guests’ in the squads someone would have raised it long ago. One of the allegations is that they were promised GK places. Unless they are skipping trials altogether and will just be placed in the final team – sheesh, they must be very good if that’s the case.
I know TJ and if umbiloburger is who I think he is then I have no reason to distrust either of these genetlemen – men of honour to the core – yet we have 2 very conflicting stories. Just trying to get to the bottom of it. My scientific mind requires all problems to have a solution.
@Jimbo: There are a lot of things to be said about over-age players but one important starting point for me is, are there any suspect looking players in your son’s own high school or were there any at his primary while he was there. I’m not saying KC does not have it’s house in order but best place to start adjustment of attitude. It seems like quite a few folks look for faults in the opposition to their son’s team only but are happy to let things be in the own institutions.
For overage identification, the KZNRU High School Association has a procedure in place. Concerned parent must report matter to their own school, Own school must report matter in writing to Chairman of KZNRU HSA. KZNRU HSA will take up matter with school of suspected overage player. That school must investigate or be satisfied they have done all required to vet player concerned. School then reports back to KZNRU HSA, who reports back to own school, who I don’t think has any obligation to keep concerned parents in the loop.
I also say never go this thing alone. Make sure you have the support of your fellow parents. Schools deal comfortably with one parent but becomes an issue when the newly formed cartel puts pressure on them to do something.
As mentioned proper tests are expensive and there can be no discrimination when selecting who to test which could drive up overall testing costs. Personally I think they should discriminate against big and strong kids to reduce the testing size. Not too many people are overly concerned about small sized or average strength overaged kids.
@TJ: Is the U16 player in the final trials?
@GreenBlooded: No truth in that whatsoever. Chatted to the coach this morning and he confirms that there is no truth in these comments. Hope this clears this matter.
@GreenBlooded: I don’t know it to be true, thats why I went heavy on the “alleges” and “ifs” in my questioning. I know that Porties has brought in a few kids from the W/Cape in the past so its not inconceivable that these kids are in KZN but just at another school, not Glenwood.
I described you as an optimist for making this comment re: alleged recruitment issue:
“Thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully we can all concentrate on the rugger now.”
@Greenblooded: Therein lies the rub. The matchup’s down the line are very interesting!!!
@TJ: I guess we will have to see who trots out on Saturday then. The truth will out either way. Looking forward to some fantastic rugger!!
@Grasshopper:
Yes you may of been around for 106years but of those a years only recently have you guys had continued success ,because of the association with a very generous donor. Oddly enough The Blues are also 106years old.
@SP: at 104 years old with plenty of history and played College over 160 times comparing us to plastic Chelsea or Man City is unfair, that honour should go to Westville. We certainly are not new kids on the block….
@beet: I haven’t heard of any new boys joining GW from the Cape this year other than King, but that’s been beaten to death already. The only new kid is a lad from JHB, but his pedigree is unknown. There was a rumor of a top player coming in from East London, but I believe that didn’t happen. Again I would suggest speculation has played a role here.
The individual contests are going to be epic. I think Goodson has speed over Pulvie. Mazwi battles to throw beyond 4 but is a hard carrier. The match up between Coetzee and Sparks is going to be colossal. Both are incredible sportsman and offer a unique blend at 13. They are vastly different players yet probably the two best 13’s around. What a pity neither can go to CW.
Another contest I look forward to seeing is that between Venter and Tharratt at 6. Both have had solid seasons and offer heaps of attacking options.
In the end what a fitting tribute to traditional school boy rugby this is going to be.
@Greenblooded: One is u16 and the other two are in the u15 side. All three were promised Grant Khomo slots. Didn’t make the WC side and were allowed to try their luck up here.
@Grasshopper:
Love the friendly banter, yes you may off hand the upper hand in the results of the last few years. If i may use the English Premium League as an example, The Zululand Steam Umbilo School of Excellence are like the new money Chelsea of the world, suddenly all their fans are cock-a-hoop, while College have had a relatively average few years. But have they the “class and pedigree”, something you just can’t buy or put a price tag on it. Like the Manure’s and Liverpools have and always will. So keep it up with Brass band and all the chest slapping and bravado. its liek watching a game and Stanford Bridge with the plastic flags. I look forward to seeing the loosies battle i feel this will decide the game. Pull for a beer at beer at The Jackie Horner Pub at 12:45.
@umbiloburger: Cool, I think I’m table 14 or 15….not sure which….
@Gungets Tuft: Ahhhh – but what if the boy has 2 birth certificates? And he uses one of them to vote, buy booze and get a drivers license – and the other to play SBR????
@beet: Do you know this to be true? Or are you just supposing? Remember that the source of this story is a College boy from the Eastern Cape (yes they also have them
) who spoke to some other boys on an aeroplane. I’m not saying he made this up but we know how boys can embellish stories – a headache becomes a brain-tumor in no-time!! These boys also ‘claimed’ to have been promised spots in the GK teams. Have you seen their names in any of the squads?
@umbiloburger: You seem to be well informed – is there any truth to this rumour? That 3 U16 boys flew up last week from the Cape to join Glenwood and were promised U16A spots as well as GK spots? A College boy claims to have spoken to them on the plane – 3 – U16 boys. Are they at Glenwood? Yes/No?? Seems silly if they are not in the U16A team this weekend – one of the big games where you would no doubt value their services if they were around.
@GreenBlooded: Any investigator worth their salt will be able to check a few things. Birth registration date, newspaper notices of births, hospital records, dates of applications for social grants. Come up empty with those then something is wrong. The onus of proof is on the boy/family, not the school to prove skullduggery.
Family provide 1 of those, it is then verified, good to go.
@beet: Why is that?
@Jimbo: Couldn’t agree more mate. It’s a massive problem. Problem is: age verification testing is hectically expensive.
I’m looking forward to some of the one on one battles of this game.
In 2012 Steyn weighed over 100kg and was Grant Khomo first choice. For the last 2 seasons he has been vital to MC. Next week he’s goes into final trials needing a big performance to impress selectors. He’s up against a solid TH scrummer in Tredoux.
Mngadi vs Mazwi at hooker. Workrate and lineout work when they don’t throw to their obvious targets aka Du Randt and Jacobs
Du Randt vs Jacobs – will be the go-to players in the lineout. Lets see how they contribute in open play.
Tharratt vs Venter. Venter proving to be a great ball carrier with an eye for space but maybe needs to show his worth as a player able to slow down or turnover tackled ball. Tharratt was strong at ruck turnover vs Kearsney and showed this skill at trials. Lets see how he shapes up as a ball carrier.
Goodson vs Palvie. Palvie a very good up and coming ball carrier type player. Will be talking point player for sure in 2015 and beyond. Goodson, a star throughout the age groups. On attack he seems to have the ability to inject alignment destroying pace at the most inappropriate times for defences.
Kriel vs Du Randt. A surprise that Kriel isn’t at 10 for College. Seems to improve with every game. With increased confidence and strength on his feet, I expect him to be a handful for defences to manage in 2015. Du Randt is a small player with a low centre of gravity and amazing acceleration from a standing start, making him a threat to even the best tacklers in SBR. His decision-making and own tackling will be focal points as well. Also the pressure of being team kicker.
S.Ncgobo vs Coetzee. Two very differently built players who are key to their teams. Sparks – the best line breaker in KZN but not always a good linker, has also upped his defensive game significantly this year. Coetzee is the team kicker + is a powerful runner often hard to stop but does need tackle technique improvement here and there.
Mukendi vs Guma. Mukendi has a clever step type movement which has brought him success in getting by tacklers. Guma has off the chart lateral movement. How the 2 wings perform defensively might be key.
Holder vs Morgan. Holder big, strong and in form, means he’s reading the game very well. Just maybe his kicking out of hand is sometimes wayward. Morgan, a versatile player, good runner with the ball as well as useful passer. Also keen to see how he handles defensive pressure particularly clearance kicking.
@Grasshopper: because they need them:-)
@umbiloburger: It is encouraging to read that Glenwood are backing their true Greens who have been getting the results and long may this practice continue.
Much of the recent unhappiness seems to revolve around 3 new boys from the W/Cape allegedly joining Glenwood within the last couple of weeks. Is it possible that if these boys are at the school, that in order to avoid any heat for this MC fixture Glenwood decided it best to select the newly acquired players in their B-teams with the view of promoting them after the weekend? It just seems to make little sense to bring kids all the way from the W/Cape just to bolster the B-teams?
@GreenBlooded: You are an optimist of note
Notwithstanding being a Kearsney parent, I would love to have been able to watch tomorrow’s clash. What a game in the offing! The issue of imports isn’t going to go away but it’s fun to read everyone’s point of view and anyway the current system is a big improvement on the ‘post matric’ years. I am more concerned about suspiciously overage players lurking in some of the front rows. Any idiot can produce a fake birth certificate in SA and in some cases births may not have been registered promptly. it is surely up to each school to ensure, via testing if necessary, that their players are of the right age. The potent combination of over-age players and juice simply aggravates the situation.
@umbiloburger: Thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully we can all concentrate on the rugger now.
@Grasshopper: Enjoy the game. Not difficult to predict the outcome.
@umbiloburger: Its not out of the question. I am told Potgieter played most of his life in the seconds because the HMA prevented him playing at firsts.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care about the U16’s or lower. The HMA doesn’t govern it, if Glenwood want to bring in legions at U16 that’s their perogative, check the ages, bring ’em on in. TK is under orders to make Glenwood the #1 rugby school in SA, he is probably not going to accomplish that by shopping at the Pick and Pay Hyper in Durban North, gnome sane?
Enjoy your Reunion tonight, wear a crash helmet, Grassy is not entirely sure what kind of reception he is going to get, you don’t want to cop a stray piece of flying Cauliflower Au Grautin …
@Grasshopper: hey hops…..see you tonight….table 9.
@Deon Pitzer: I meant KZN, sorry for not clarifying.
@Gungets Tuft: GW U16A for Saturday have 14 players that started in Grade 8 and 1 that started in Grade 9 (Botha at 10). The U15A for Saturday all started in grade 8. U14A all started in January. So…. if there are any “bought” new players they must be in the GW B or C teams. Doesn’t make sense does it.
@Grasshopper: “Afrikaans boys are at all the big English schools, parents are realising that to be seen and to do well in business they need an English education”. Keep on dreaming! Are you saying the WC, FS, Gauteng Afrikaans educated students have a disadvantage? In KZN there are proportionally fewer Afrikaans speakers, and no prominent Afrikaans schools, that is why many Afrikaans parents opt for English schools. The situation is certainly very different around here!
@Grasshopper: My point is that we can’t use the HM agreement when it suits us. It’s a flawed agreement, as are most laws put in place to curb “bad behaviour”, they just create loopholes which are then gleefully used.
I know your stance, it’s mine as well, but I think we are doomed to see it be overridden more and more. Unchecked, I don’t know where it will end, but it is certainly the radical weakening of economically poorer parts of the country, referring specifically to the EC, Border. The chequebook will rule …
I will not refer to my “rules of engagement” poster which requires that you now prove your statement that only 4 or 5 players in your squad of 22 have not been at GW since grade 9, but it does open a door to being questioned.
@Gungets Tuft: No G, I don’t support any recruitment past grade 8, said it many times. Including those from non rugby playing countries, the Bulls and Zimbabwe…
@Grasshopper: Northwood not quite hey. Tutuka has been there since beginning grade 9. And, most of their imports are also within the headmasters agreement, in that they were found outside SA, from “non-rugby playing countries”, etc. It’s a nice flexible agreement as we know, but I am really not sure you want to be going there.
Nice reference to 2008 and 2009 though. About as subtle as a drunken stevedore, but there you are. 2009 on Goldstones was 23-11 .. I think you got all excited and repeated the 2008 score .. and I am not even going to use that as a launch pad.
And I am sure you meant “it’s within the Headmasters agreement FORTUNATELY! ” .. unfortunate would be outside the agreement.
@Satans Table: Please can you confirm who these “bought” players are that has made Glenwood unethical? I’ve looked into this matter and there appears to be no substance to this matter. Westville did get 3 port natal u14A youngsters but nothing new at GW.
Ryan Vrede..”I certainly thank the rugby gods that Pollard is under the Bulls’ stewardship, as opposed to being poisoned by the clueless coaches at the Stormers.”
@Satans Table: so what are your feelings on Hilton buying Glenwood players, Westville buying Hudson Park players, DHS buying EC boys and Northwood buying a whole front row and more? Just want to get your view…..
@Satans Table: half of 15 is 7.5 so let’s say 7 are probably Xhosa speaking. If they have been at Glenwood for 3 to 4 years there is no foul play. Remember it’s a free for all at grade 8 level. All schools offer bursaries and scholarships at that level. In fact Westville offers about 60 at grade 8 level, not all sports and not all 100%. Glenwood offers 45…
As much as I disagree with the unethical behavior of Glenwood with regards to buying in players I must say that last years game on Goldstones was the best game of rugby I have ever witnessed thanks to two great rugby teams. May the best team win on sat and let there be no major injuries to any of those young lads!
@Grasshopper: sorry boet I am new to this site! I believe I have just pulled a Gerrie Nel on you mate, 16 speak Xhosa? I put it to you that they are on scholarships/ bursaries from the Easter Cape?
@Grasshopper: sorry boet I am new to this site! I believe I have just pulled a Gerrie Nel on you mate, 16 speak Xhosa? I put it to you that they are on scholarships/ bursaries from the Easter Cape?
2008 & 2009 on Goldstones, ouch!
Glenwood vs College
2000 W 24 – 18
L 16 – 28
2001 L 12 – 37
L 6 – 15
2002 L 3 – 33
L 0 – 28
2003 L 8 – 30
2004 W 26 – 24
L 7 – 21
2005 L 5 – 12
L 7 – 30
2006 L 0 – 24
W 19 – 14
2007 W 19 – 12
2008 W 15 – 7
W 47 – 10 (A)
2009 W 15 – 7
W 41 – 10 (A)
Bwahahahaha. Before any great Springbok / All Black and Springbok / Aussie test match, the first points are always scored in the media in the week before the match. Good to see that it’s no different for the test this weekend. Hope the hatred doesn’t make it onto the field – would be nice to watch 30 boys play a decent game of rugger without the side-shows.
@SP: Ah the rumours via the grapevine that a College boy was on the plane from PE and saw 3x Under16 boys on the plane on full scholarships to Glenwood…..I heard that too. Seems very similar to the two Hudson Park boys going to Westville. I have no idea if it’s true and I don’t agree with it, but if it’s Under 16 then it’s within the Headmasters agreement unfortunately!
@Gungets Tuft: No squad system, but the 22 who played at the festivals.
@Grasshopper: Have Glenwood moved to a squad system for their first side. I was under the impression that in KZN your 1st team bench must have played for the 2nd side.
@Grasshopper:
You forgetting about the debacle that occurred during and after KERF with the super sub no.8? and the 3 imports suddenly arriving for the U16 side there Grassy??
@Satans Table: Welcome back Red Army and all the other avatars you have had. Firstly there are no dodgy bursaries at Glenwood and Afrikaans boys are at all the big English schools, parents are realising that to be seen and to do well in business they need an English education. Half the College and Westville sides are Afrikaans too, I watched the Glenwood games vs Westville and the same exists there. What you forgetting to see is half of the Glenwood side are Xhosa too, so language has nothing to do with it. Of the squad of 22 I would say at least 17 have been at Glenwood since grade 8 or 9…..only Tredoux, Jonas, Venter and Vidima came later…
@Grasshopper: 2013 game a great game! Joubert sent our fullback off after 20 minutes for a dangerous tackle. College played with 14 men for 50 minutes and lost the game in the dying seconds. The two draws were like kissing a sister. I wonder how much longer Glenwood can maintain this “dominance” considering the amount of attention they are getting for dodgy bursaries etc.?
I remember the days playing Glenwood when their lineout calls where in English…now its all Afrikaans?? With all the talk of imports its sad that some lightly who has been there from possibly Glenwood Prep to matric doesn’t play first because of these imports! That is the saddest part of it all! College by 5
@star: @Grasshopper: Thanks! I have just had a quick look – as you say they seem to rank everything these days!
@ Meadows- I see Grassy has beaten me to it. 40 % of the top ten are from KZN. Definitely our sport of choice/focus. SaSchoolSports seems to rank everything. They even had a ranking last year for the best overall/allrounder school based on the relative rankings for rugby, cricket and hockey. Affies topped that followed by Westville and Grey.
@meadows: http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/hockey/national/boys-hockey-the-sa-schools-top-60-rankings.html
@star: I didn’t realise that there were hockey rankings.
According to the school website MHS beat Glenwood 1-0 and drew with Westville 2-2. I couldn’t see a 1st team loss so far this year although there were quite a few draws.
@Speartackle: Was two weeks ago now…..we won fairly easily 38-13…
@Grasshopper: When is ‘Swat the Fly’ time again?
@Speartackle: Not going to happen…..unfortunately. We may catch up on DHS though…
@Grasshopper: If you can start swiping them twice a year then by 2045 you can be even stevens
@Speartackle: We will never take over College in wins, they have too much of a head start…..
Results since 2010 from a Glenwood perspective;
2010 W 20 – 13
L 16 – 35
2011 W 31 – 30
W 31 – 3
2012 D 16 – 16
D 27 – 27
2013 W 44 – 40
W 33 – 15
@Grasshopper: Ag no Grops man it’s gonna take you okes another 60 years to overtake College. Unless you start playing them 4 times a year
Glenwood vs College
1st Played – 1921
Played – 161
Glenwood Won – 40
Glenwood Lost – 106
Draws – 15
% Win – 25%
Biggest win – 47-10 (2008)
Biggest Loss – 13-61 (1995)
@Speartackle: Net tot halftyd, toe dog ek die walkover is nie goed vir hulle om te aanskou. Toe neem die ref, die vlagmanne, die hitte en die squadstelsel oor. Ook het die spreiers via sabotasie aangegaan, net in die GPE gebied, wat gemaak het dat daar niemand kon rugby speel aan daardie kant van die veld nie.
@Deon Pitzer: Het jy hulle na die Grey PE ook geneem?
@Speartackle: Ek stem, om vir ‘n kind net WEN WEN WEN te laat sien mag verkeerde verwagtinge skep.
@Deon Pitzer: I agree Pitzie, but for goodness sake don’t punish them by taking them to a PR game.
@Speartackle: Two kids, that I know of, are really not a tree of any form, but very relevant to SBR, as I am teaching them from a young age.
@Grasshopper: St Charles have a handy hockey side this year, across the age groups, so don’t knock ’em. College beat them 3-0 yesterday, drew one or two open games.
Glenwood on the 3-Schools astro – hard to beat.
I believe there are negotiations on the table involving a new quadrangular tournament between KES, Glenwood, Queens and Dale. Any truth in the rumour?
There is absolutely no competition for Glenwood anymore in the Greater KXN area. Perhaps they should rather start annual fixtures with Boishaai, Grey PE and KES. I mean you can only improve by playing quality opposition.
@Deon Pitzer: Do we really need to know your whole family tree?
@beet: That was a bit dof of me, apologies. Just glanced through the headline, commenting here and there, pretending to work while I am planning to go watch PRG with my 9 year old and 5 year old on Saturday.
@Deon Pitzer: Geez can’t believe you have nothing to say about the “crutches” instead of College part.
@star: hahaha, well Andile Phelukwayo and the team would need to be on top form in the hockey, College are on a hot streak! We only just beat St Charles recently…
@ Grassy- a little favour to ask of GW. On a particular hockey ranking it has Westville at 1 and College screaming from behind at 2. It would assist as enormously if GW could lower the College mast. ( even a draw would be acceptable)
and to make the season interesting for rugby go College. 
So for hockey go green
@Deon Pitzer: Well Glenwood are pretty ‘wounded’ with 6 boys out……same could be said for Maritzwound College…
@beet : GlenWOUND. Do we know this school?
Great to see 26 rugby games and 15 hockey games scheduled for this weekend between Glenwood and College! http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Sport%20vs%20College%20May%202014.pdf