Kearsney ‘s last rugby match of 2013 is a rescheduled home game against Maritzburg College at 14:45 this afternoon. It’s an opportunity for the One-Stripes to end a good season on a high note and simultaneously increase there winning streak over College to a record of three. The team will be without their well-known Du Preez twins Daniel and Jean-Luc who have both made a huge contribution to Kearsney 1st XV rugby over the past three seasons and will sadly miss out on well deserved heroes send offs from their peers and supporters today. It still remains a very competent Maroon pack with Bevan Jackson and young Jesse Rich earning promotion, to be part of a unit that scrums, lineouts and attends rucks very well. The Kearsney backline will be looked to to up their game and produce a more decisive performance than they did against Hilton.
Kearsney achieved early season success without the Du Preezs and they will hope for more of the same against a College team bound to play like demons possessed in order to restore pride hurt after a humiliating home defeat at the hands of Westville over the weekend. The Red,Black,White are however also minus key players in the backline where KZN representatives Marcel Coetzee, Banele Ngwenya and Lindo Ncgobo have all been ruled out. For College there is expected to be no shortage of passion but they need to back this one up with sound basics and more specifically first time tackling if they are to cause an upset.
The interesting head-to-head battles today include the frontrow particularly Tijde Visser taking on Juice Gumede, at fullback with the contrasting styles of the speedy Chris Lines and the powerful Kelvin Elder and probably the most eagerly anticipated one of them all, Ayron Schramm versus Daryn Goodson, two highly rated no.8’s.
@Grasshopper: Yip, it’s about running a business and producing a product, like true capitalism the best rise to the top. I don’t think it’s necessary for it to be transparent, it’s no business of any other school to know what’s going on on a competitors balance sheet.
If you’ve got super wealthy Old Boys, like Ivan Clarke, who can make massive financial contributions, it means you producing a successful product, right?
@WBHS Griffon: yep, exactly what other schools have too. The new Glenwood pavilion was funded by one old boy. What schools do with their money is up to them. I just think bursaries and scholarships should be transparent for all to see. It’s like an arms race between the schools now which is why relationships are tense….
@Grasshopper: Well lets not get carried away again and say every kid a bursary. It’s a testament to having a brilliant Headmaster and a thriving trust fund that parents and Old Boys are willing to contribute to. In business terms that’s what happens when you produce a great product, right?
@WBHS Griffon: They would have the funds if they upped the fees of the non scholarship recipients and got their Old Boys to be more generous in their donations.
@WBHS Griffon: I agree at grade 8 level if a school can offer every kid a bursary and stay afloat, good on them.
@Griffonfly: If Westville has the finances and Trust fund to be able to offer more bursaries than other schools, then more power to them. That’s cause Hall is a master business man. Don’t let these guys turn this into a money argument again!
@Griffonfly: the only thing I find irritating about this process is that the balance are left carrying the can financially, unless there is Old Boy funding.
This has to happen so the KZN schools can compete against the traditional rugby powerhouse schools nationally. It will improve our rugby.
@Griffonfly: It’s not that schools are offering scholarships and bursaries, it’s the number of them. No wonder Westville are improving so much at sport, 70 no matter what the % is crazy. Anyway, I think it’s fair at grade 8 level, completely open to schools so may the best school attract the best sportsman. These sportsman will have a few offers, so in the end it’s the parents choice….
@Horsefly and Grasshopper. Why are then are you both surprised at the numbers if all schools are doing it?
WBHS is being identified as the only one doing this. ALL schools do it. There are some schools with half their junior A teams coming from other provinces. It is good for KZN school rugby. To be the best you need to play the best.
Lucky Hadebe’s story; http://www.nedbank.co.za/website/content/sportaffinities/SportlifeProject_detail.asp?ItemID=176&Article=Articles
I remember him lapping the other athletes, we were secured of points in his events….
@Griffonfly: Same with Glenwood, not all 40 are FULL scholarships or bursaries. Again, no one really knows who is funding what as it’s all behind closed doors. I for one know of a few Old Boys at schools helping previously disadvantaged kids, some have even adopted a few. I remember Lucky Hadebe an amazing runner was hosted by Helen Lucre, who I think paid his school fees. He probably still has the 800m and 1500m records at Glenwood…
Sorry let me elaborate. Not all 75 are on FULL scholarships.
@Horsefly and Greenblooded. The 75 scholarships (if that number) are not full scholarships but probably a % discount on the fees. Not all 75 are on scholarships. The students will have to pay for tours as well.
Twitter, Westville announces Brad Ellse called up to CW squad, well done!
@beet: Does this mean Reece-Edwards is going to be fit? Injury not as bad as it looked on Thursday? I hope so.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: yep, I think give out 40 including academic. My brother in law said 75 at Westville next year, so a third of the intake! Crazy! In my day it was 10. Glenwood will get there usual good intake from all over the country…
@Grasshopper:
Yep that’s true, but the fact that College ITSELF only offers 9 is astonishing and shows how confident they are of their intakes every year.
I think Glenwood and DHS have about 35 a year under them and WBHS apparently about 70.
interesting to see 2 KZN U13A players and one KZN U13B player there including the tall lock Reece Zeelie.
also happy to see hearnot toooo many DPHS are making their way to Maritzburg or the Midlands
just need to see if they’ve decided on Bothas hill,the ‘leafy’ suburbs of WBHS or decided to stay closer to home 
but this is a good start:http://www.durbanhighschool.co.za/content/news/News_Item.asp?content_ID=1005
@HORSEFLY NO.1: yep saw that, but this is just the official ones. No one really knows how many boys are supported financially on the quiet at all schools. I’m helping sponsor a kids tours at Glenwood…..
http://www.maritzburgcollege.org.za/phocadownload/Carol/2013/college%20newsletter%20no%2021.pdf
College scholarship winners,just 9 of them
@Westers:@Grasshopper: No. The continued unavailability of Marcel Coetzee prompted the decision to promote Ellse. Whether this is a final decision or not I’m not certain.
@Gungets Tuft: I haven’t seen last night’s game but this is basically how the maul law works.
1. A maul is formed when the ball carrier is held by an opposition player AND a team mate. So there needs to be 3 players: the ball carrier and a player from each team.
2. If this ceases to be the case, it does not cease to be a maul. If the defenders disengage from the maul, the attackers can maul all the way to the try line unopposed.
3. The ball carrier must be the first player to make contact with the opposition. If the opposition then disengage and re-engage – the ball carrier does not have to be in the front.
4. If the attackers in the mail can split and re-engage with the opposition provided the continue on the same running line.
5. If they split and move into a new channel (new direction) and re-engage with the opposition – this is considered obstruction. We call it “Changing Lanes” in referee-speak. They have to consciously move in a new direction in a ‘new move’ for it to be considered so.
6. If the ball carrier disengages – the maul is over. If he re-engages behind the maul it is obstruction because it is considered a new maul.
7. A collapsed maul is not a tackle. There is no obligation on anyone to ‘roll away’. If the ball is not immediately available to play when this happens – we blow it as a scrum, use it or lose it for the put in.
Have a good week folks. I’m off on holiday.
@Grasshopper: Very sad for Reece-Edwards if that is the case. But if so, why bring in a centre for a scrum half. Surely they would need cover at scrum half? But good for Brad Ellse. He should have been in the team in the first place. If his discipline was the issue in the first place, what has changed in a matter of weeks?
@Westers: Reece-Edwards maybe out so they might play Mc Hardy at scrumhalf, not sure….
@star: Why has Ellse been called up to CW? Is somebody out?
@Westers: You can’t counter it at all if 1/2 the team has broken away and is clearing out the defence. At least 1 try was just blatent obstruction (twice in the one drive to the line) and three or four others were obstruction when the pack split up and reformed.
I will welcome comment from the Refs among us, but certainly my opinion.
@Gungets Tuft: Not sure what a team is supposed to do to counter that.
Has to be said, Lions got away with murder in the rolling maul to tonight
@Westers: thanks Westers, I too think the Sharks need to be playing the youngsters like Fisher, Zeilanga etc ahead of Butch and Joubert. Look at James O Connor given his chance really young and now he is a world class veteran in his early 20’s. I actually think Zeilanga should be the Sharks starting flyhalf with Lambie at 15, but that’s me. Zeilanga plays like Johnny Wilkinson, solid at everything. I cannot believe last year they picked Pollard over him. A schoolboy over a player with 2 years Currie Cup experience. Fisher should have been in the U20 side now, what a difference he would have made. Hopefully John Smit holds onto these guys before the move off to greener pastures. Someone like Franna Kleynheins will move if they keep on bringing in loan flanks from the Lions. I would also like to see Whiteley back home playing Sharks….
@Grasshopper: Got to give Glenwood credit in this department. I think Cooper has been one of the best and most consistent players for the Sharks this year. Always gives 200%. Played Burden right out of the team. Adendorff was also great for the U20s last year.
I had not seen much of Zeilinga before this season. Have watched a few of the VC games on TV this year and have been really impressed. I hope he gets some decent game time tonight. He should be playing, not Butch. The Sharks need to give guys like him as much exposure as possible.
@WBHS Griffon: as I said at least 5x Dale Chadwick players and quite a few overseas. Warren Whiteley captained the Lions to Currie Cup win, Kyle had a good season at hooker for the Sharks, Franna & Fred Zeilanga have starred for the Sharks in the Currie Cup, Zeilanga getting a crazy number of points. Shaun Adendorff was one of the stars in SA U20 win last year and in the Bulls U21 squad, was also invited to SA Sevens. Warren played SA Sevens this year. The question is where are our last SA Schools players? Jayden Hill, Ricky Schnetler and Shaun Malton? I know Malton played recently for the Barbarians recently and for a county in the UK. The other 2, not sure?
@WBHS Griffon: yep the majority have joined the Bulls crazy recruitment programme where they have up to 4 SA schools centers and 2 of them on the bench. Many many kids having made that move have got lost in the system, maybe being away from home did not help. The % of provincial schools players making it higher is very very small. I mean what happened to Chris Micklewood? Same can be said for Arlow and Pearson. Plenty stars at school don’t make it. Kyle Cooper didn’t even make KZN schools…..
@Grasshopper: A few more of the “Dale Chadwick” type players to have come through and been regulars at provincial level by now, you know what I mean?
@Grasshopper: I hear you, but, I’m just trying to make the connection here between all of your 50 or so KZN schools players over the last 5 – 10 years. I would have expected more of them to have featured at provincial / national level by now.
@WBHS Griffon: Because most are still young…..Shaun Adendorff, Franna Kleynheins, Fred Zeilanga, Warren Whiteley, Kyle Cooper have all played high level provincial rugby and will go places, still young……all 5 are good enough for the Sharks now….
Greenblooded
back to ” that” game at College – I usually video top GWD games – not the whole game though – however with the intensity and pace of this game I could not bear to see all that action on a 3 inch monitor so I watched the game in real time – what I really need is a mini camera strapped to my head that records what I am looking at
@Grasshopper: No need to explain anything, thanks for proving my point, most get to u19 / u20 level and that’s it, you would expect to see more starters at senior level, make sense?
Greenblooded
That flash disk with “That ” game on it – how can I get my hands on a copy ??
we will take an unbeaten season locally and 1 loss the entire season. This year has ben very interesting to say the least. The weather has not played ball with the cancellation of the Westville clash which would have settled the score as to who is number 1 this year. Obviously I think that we would have done one over them with a full strength side but that is my opinion. It is now down to the brainstrust to get their teams ready for the new season . Club rugby will be in full swing in a couple of weeks and Collegians are going to be the side to beat.
Hopefully the other clubs have done their homework and come out firing. We need all sides to be competitive to make it an interesting year.
@WBHS Griffon: Explain this? Glenwood have 1 starter (Cooper) and 1 bench (Zeilanga), with Kleinhans who should be there but must be injured.
1. John Roy-Jenkinson (Leopards – SA U20)
2. Kyle Cooper (Sharks)
3. Robbie Harris (Leicester Tigers – Sharks)
4. Brendon Groenewald (Sharks Vodacom Cup)
5. Nic Strauss (Narbonne – France)
6. Shaun Adendorff (Bulls U19 – SA U20)
7. Francois Kleyneins (Sharks Vodacom Cup – SA U20)
8. Warren Whiteley (Lions/SA Sevens)
9. Matthew Torrance (Scotland U20)
10. Fred Zeilanga (Sharks Vodacom Cup)
11. Corne Vermaak (KZN Schools 2012)
12. Kobus Lourens (Leopards)
13. Ian Adendorff (SA Sevens)
14. Dean Moolman (Bulls U19)
15. Greg Manning (Manly Rugby Club – Sydney, Australia)
Reserves
16. Dexter Fahey (Sharks Academy – Shimlas Varsity Cup)
17. Peter Zsitvai (Hungary)
18. Alwyn Janse Van Rensburg (Sharks U19)
19. Nanyak Dala (Canada)
20. Meyrick Walker (Bulls U19)
21. Shaun Malton (Sharks U21 – Saracens)
22. Dean Muir (Sharks Vodacom Cup)
23. Brian Shabangu (SA Sevens)
24. Deucullen van der Merwe (Sharks U19)
25. Wade Elliot (Sharks U19)
26. Marne Coetzee (SA U20)
@oldschool: Sad to see a comment like that coming from a Kearsney boy with whom Westville have always had such a good re-pore with over the years!
I guess this Glenwood bitterness and jealousy towards Westville is really starting to filter through to other easily lead individuals – terrible what jealousy causes!
Great to see so many Westville Old Boys coming through at the Sharks. 1 Starter & 4 on the bench!
15 Riaan Viljoen, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Louis Ludik, 12 Heimar Williams, 11 Sean Robinson, 10 Butch James, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Tera Mtembu, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Keegan Daniel, 5 Jandre Marais, 4 Edwin Hewitt, 3 Wiehahn Herbst, 2 Kyle Cooper, 1 Dale Chadwick
Subs: 16 Monde Hadebe, 17 Allan Dell, 18 Brynard Stander, 19 Khaya Majola, 20 Cobus Reinach, 21 Fred Zeilinga, 22 Tyler Fisher
However, this makes no sense as we are hardly getting any KZN Schools representation each year, roughly the same as DHS with one or two players, yet we seem to be producing some fine young talent that come through at senior provincial level, whereas other schools are getting 5+ KZN schools representatives a year on a regular basis, yet most of those players never seem to really get anywhere at senior provincial level and most of those careers pretty much end straight out of school, can anyone explain this?
@oldschool: You seem to be a vey bitter young man when it comes to Westville. A rather uncalled for attack in this thread.
Did you watch any of Westvilles games this year that gives you reason to comment the way you have?
@star: I’m sure the 2 Trevor’s can sort out that minor detail…………
@GreenBlooded: Grassy mentioned Martin and Anderson as being back. Star was adding to those two I think.
I think Cody will definitely be in the mix as one of the props.
There are also a couple of other second teamers with the balance to be made up from the unbeaten 3rds of this year plus any of this year U16s who can push on.
@ Greenblooded- Grassy had already mentioned Martin and Anderson and so the core of the backline is looking good with Buthelezi at FB, Pieters on the wing, Anderson at centre and Braithwaite at flyhalf. At the moment the only player from U16A would be Stoltz at tighthead . I think Thomas plays loosehead. The great thing about SBR is that gain 2 inches and 10 kgs and suddenly an U16 player can come from nowhere. 2 U16B players from last year went to 1sts jumping their more vaunted team mates.( Haystek and Braithwaite) and have done really well. The U16A have a lot of players in the mix( 13 to final trials) that need to take the next step up. Have ability though. They with a few B team players have been included in the stayers squad ( Ist to 3rds). As you cancelled the fixture on Dixon’s it must revert back to Bowdens to restore the order of things.
@star: Star, glad Ellse made it, certainly the best centre I’ve seen this year.
@star: Cody Thomas must be in the mix as one of the Props? You don’t mention my favourite Westville player Anderson in the backline. Which of the current U16A you see fitting in? I would think GW/WV next season should be on Dixon’s since the last fixture was at Westville.
@ Grassy- You have missed Haystek, Buthelezi( hatrick against College-GK-2012), Braithwaite and Pieters( GK B-2011). The locks will be Martin and Yuric T( GK-2012 locks). The GK 2012 utility player/8 Erasmus hopefully will be back after missing this year with a back injury. Temba N( the utility 2012 GK front row) will be hooker. Jury is out on the props. Does anyone know where the GW/Westville match will be played next year? Also Ellse has been called up to CW. Congratulations.
Well done KC on a well deserved win and a great season. Let’s call it that KC are the top KZN team for 2013 and leave it at that. I think it is pointless to try and over-analyse the season on point differences, what could have been , should have been, would have been etc. After all, if one cannot just enjoy SBR for the sheer entertainment value, why bother. I was at Goldstones when GW played MC on reunion day, and that game says it all. I am not saying that this game makes these two schools the greatest or most deserving etc. I am saying this makes SBR more special than any other format and is the reason why many of us will still pop into the local schools to watch any game of rugby. Long live SBR.
@Sir Pius: The recent results all around just make it very sad that the Westville /Kersney game could not have been re-shuffled . Would have been a cracker ! Anyway looking forward to next season and judging by the performance of the SA U 20 some of our current schoolboy players will fit in very easilly to that structure assuming of course that we can get the “old school tie ” mentality out of the selection process and just choose the form players ! How about we ban soccer at school level and play two terms of rugby as I dont know what I am going to do on Saturday afternoons now !
It was an entertaining and physical game of rugby yesterday.
I thought that Kearsney’s defence was outstanding as College was prepared to attack from anywhere in the second half.
Tedder is amazing IMHO. In a game like yesterday, he was the difference between the 2 sides. His first half try was individual brilliance as well as his drop kick in the second half – 10 points in a tight encounter is enough to swing it.
Well done Kearsney on an excellent season.
Well done to College in showing great character during this challenging season. Good luck for your 3 tough fixtures next term!
Glenwood have quite a few back too;
1) Koos Tredoux – prop
2) Percy Mgadi – prop/hooker
3) Kenny Van Niekerk – prop
4) Kevin Du Randt – lock
5) Jaco Coetzee – No8
6) Kwazi Khanyile – scrumhalf
7) Curtis Jonas – flyhalf
8) Morne Joubert – fullback/centre/wing
9) Ruben Fouche – fullback/wing
10) Vidima? lock/No8 – not sure if in grade 11, but will be Under19…
Add the likes of Chris Bredell, the speedster……and a few more in the 2nd’s, 3rd’s and 4th’s and the side looks healthy with a good spine of experience…Lock looks light again though….errr
@All Black: Good depth then, your 2nds were good this year too. Bodes well for 2014!
All the speculation as to who was missing from the College team. It does not make a difference as you have to play with what you have got. The boys now seem over the virus except for Tharratt who had to leave the field early in the Westville game with chest problems. Yesterday College were without Ngewnya (CW), Ngobo (Academy), Coetzee (CW), Zuma (CW- Nrmally seconds though), Mazwi (Academy)came on briefly and Tharratt. 6 injuries. College played 9 grade 11’s in the match.
Congratulations to Westville too, must be one of their best seasons over the past decade. Not having played Glenwood and Kearsney spoils it a little. Seems Westville will be rebuilding too with only Jordan Martin & Juan Anderson back, unless I missed someone. Westville full season results would be interesting too….
Congratulation to Kearsney for a great season, can anybody put up their full results! Looking at their squad, 2014 is going to be a rebuilding year. Looks like only Langa Hlongwane, Chris Lines, Tristan Tedder and Tjide Visser are back. Tedder may have to choose a sport to focus on in matric, cricket probably being the winner. Michaelhouse in 2012 and Kearsney in 2013 have proven that putting faith in the boys who have worked their way up the ranks and been at the school from the beginning is the way to build a team. Bringing new players in later on just disrupts the team balance and gives no confidence to the boys who have been there from the beginning…..
@oldschool:
Both WBHS and Kearsney had great seasons, but what gives Kearsney the edge is that victory over Glenwood. The Glenwood side also had a good season and provided spectators with 2 great games, one against Kearsney and one against College. College, Westville and Glenwood should have good 1st sides next year.
@Westers: Ja my boet , I do believe that Glenwood have applied a professional approach to the way they go about their rugby , it is great to see , we could all take a page out of there book and evolve as they have ……..
Not only do they play great rugby , they have an old school attitude towards there opponents , whereby they always show respect to the opposing schools war cries , their band is brilliant , their players are very gracious in defeat and humble in victory ……you guys at Westville could learn a thing or two from them …maybe remove your arrogant swagger and learn some rugby etiquette , it will do you some good my boet !!!
@GreenBlooded: Yes, he is currently the u15 coach. I dont know how the coaching structure works but i hope he stays at that age group for a while yet. Agreed, a most respected young man. The stability and reassurance you talk about will come, the move from 2nd form to 3rd form has a lot to do with that. Suddenly in 3rd form you have a few small privileges which counts for something, 2nd form you are told all year your only privilege is to be at this school!
@Westers: I never saw anything in the the Glenwood side that played Maritzburg College that made me think they would lose to George Campbell. But they did. I guess we will never know who WOULD HAVE won between Westville and Glenwood and Westville and Kearsney.
@Star: Agreed, we can share the trophy
@Ruggersake: Indeed, the entire squad was brilliant! I forgot to mention Zander Rossouw, Bevan Jackson and Hayes-Hill who filled the Doops shoes with great aplomb, well done boys
@Westers: We did not have to beat you on Bowdens, we beat you at Kings Park
You know Westers, all this talk of who is the best, who cares – let’s just share the blady trophy man!
But we did beat you at Kings Park …
@oldschool: Nice post and thanks for your complimentary words about Glenwood. The best 2 matches I’ve seen this season involve the 3 schools you mention: Glenwood Kearsney and Glenwood College – the latter pegged as the best schoolboy match I have ever had the pleasure of watching (Got the entire thing delivered to me on flash-disk yesterday
) Will be having a booga sometime this weekend – an no doubt wearing out the rewind button on ‘that’ tackle. Watching the U14A game yesterday, Kearsney will have a few exciting years ahead with this bunch of youngsters. Well done to College too for showing their true colours yesterday – things are coming together nicely. A match that either team could have won on the day. Bounce of the ball stuff.
@Lammonds: Is the ‘exciting young coach’ the current coach? If so then College are in for a great year. And a nicer guy you will not meet. Look forward to watching this group grow into a formidable outfit. The raw talent is there. What they need is stability in the team environment and reassurance in themselves next year.
@GreenBlooded: Got to be honest and say I did not see anything yesterday that would make me think that Kearsney would have beaten Westville on Bowdens.
@oldschool: Are you saying none of the other KZN schools put in the same effort as Glenwood?
A quick summary on yesterdays game.
MC came to play as expected from a school with this heritage. KC team less the Dupreez,s and MC less 3.
The effects of a busy season could be seen. The class of KC was the difference on the day, excellent defence and moments of brilliance. As blogged previously KC being the best this year in KZN were never going to have an easy game and this was visible on the day.
In my opinion Tedder was the man of the match and the Goodsen/Schramm match up was not a match up, Schramm was superior in all aspects albeit his visable fatigue and was instrimental in 2 of KC tries. The player who did impress with a solid performance from MC was no. 7 Le Roux. Well done to MC for bouncing back from Saturday as was expected!
Excellent season KC you all know your pedigree, that is the entire squad!
Congrats to Kearsney on one of there best years ever,great to hear of there humility on and off the field- that is one of the reasons why Kearsney and College boys get on so well.
Well done to College yesterday,good to hear some fight being shown…would have expected nothing less!
Massive result for the u 14`s, look forward to see how this group gets on next year. I beleive there is an exiting young coach waiting for them at u 15 level, sticking to the good old College formula of forward domination.
On a seperate note, will someone please chop my w…y off with a spoon if there is ever an `official` ranking system for 2nds, u 16a,b,c, u 15 a,b,c,etc,etc!!! we simply dont need to know who has the best u 14 d side in the province, just let the kids go out and enjoy their rugby…
Great season Kearsney ….the highlights for me are the Glenwood and College victories , as these 2 schools are in my opinion the 2 best rugby schools in KZN , not only in the rugby that they play but more importantly in the manner which they approach the game and the sheer commitment that their boys bring to each match……
It is an end of an era for this Kearsney group of lads , it has been a pleasure watching some great rugby over the last few years !!!
Also , must add that many bloggers have expressed their respect to this side and kearsney , so shot for that .
I hope to see Kearsney competitive in the years to come as I am sure they will be , and looking forward to the resurgence of College over the next few years at first team level , also always look forward to the Glenwood team as the effort that Gwood put into their rugby is brilliant to see …….
@ Gungets- sorry my intention is not to use College as a club but if the shoe fits you have to wear it. This is also not about who has the porkiest chop ( I am comfortable in that regard
) but to deal with the absolute kak( you see Ploegie I listen) that is put on here. I hope comments about lack of preparation/sickness are now properly put to bed by reference to my question to McCulley. Even my son laughed and said that it was not the Ebola virus and they had a good 2 week lay-up. In the meantime Westville had lost 2 players to injury and others were in recovery.
@ RBugger- You can blame McCulley for this. I was going to give you the trophy but now we have to share it.
@Gungets Tuft: Minor correction: Glenwood and Kearsney DID play – at the beginning of the season on Stott. It was an epic encounter which Kearsney won by 1 (or 2?) points in a match that either team could have won on the day. The vital matches that did not take place were Kearsney vs Westville and Glenwood vs Westville. My opinion FWIW: I agree with RBugger (and no doubt many KC supporters) that they are the KZN top team this year.
@GungetsTuft: Well said! An agreement will not be reached on who was best this year.
I am comfortable in thinking KC is best this year and take great delight in the fact that we beat Westville at Kings Park
@star: Just as long as it is clear – none of these arguments are coming from College. College don’t make, don’t need excuses. The scoreboard is what it is.
Must confess to getting a little bit bored of College being used as the blunt instrument in this argument. There is no linear relationship between matches. None, it is the fundamental (and FATAL) weakness in any ranking system outside of a league where everyone plays against each other. Glenwood and Kearsney did not play. There is one FACT. Rationalise and hypothesise till the cows come home, there is no way to reach a conclusion.
I suggest that each of Glenwood, Kearsney and Westville approach their respective reporters and just write it up, publish it, move on. If you think you are going to reach agreement on whose chop is porkiest you are going to be disappointed.
College, after a disappointing season, will settle for a position behind Hilton and take heart from solid performances against Glenwood and Kearsney. We have our bruises from playing rugby, we do not need any from being used by Westville as a club to beat Glenwood and KC.
End of rant, buy a donkey (sorry Ploeg – it’s phonetic – and genetic – cannae help myself
)
@ McCulleys- I can’t believe you have dragged me back into the war zone after I was graciously going to accept defeat. You want to know my true colors -well here they are.
1) I don’t take S….T
2) I present cold facts and ask simple questions
3) Flexibility is my middle name.- look I even reduced the spread down from 40 to 10 and still am drinking free tonight.
With regard to point 2 allow me demonstrate.
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A lot has been made of the sickness and lack of preparation for the performance of College and to take the gloss off the Westville victory.If this were true then surely this would have also affected the performance of the other 6 open teams who were subject to the same conditions,However they were the stars of the show winning all their matches bar the 3rds( Westville’s unbeaten team) by one point. Simple answer please.
Cold fact( I watched searching for Sugarman last night
In the 7 matches Westville had in common with KC , KC had a 100 % home ground advantage as opposed to Westville’s 43 % . Big tick in the argument for Westville.
My original 40 point margin requirement was to make some bloggers eat humble pie after they derided Westville ( please refer to blog on KZN Tier 1 team please stand up) and I will not make apologies for that.
Part of my argument has also been that KC have not won on Bowdens since at least 2003. Can someone give me the results for said year and 2001?
You yourself have called it a no brainer. I suppose its was also a no brainer that GW would beat GC and Westville would lose or win marginally on Goldstones- Not.
@Westers: Touchë. My issue was somewhat different, was heading for a rather costly little “problem” – between R100K and R250K (like towing a Lambo, gnome sane??), needed attention. The lightie understood
The fly-half channel was exploited properly by Westville, it’s a problem that they know about, fixing it is a little more difficult. Work in progress, some youngsters working hard, so I have faith.
Drew their match 1:1 – he played against a few ex-team mates from DPHS so enjoyed that as well.
Well done Kearsney on probably the best season the school has ever had. It was great to see that you boys could dig deep when needed to and the humility you showed on and off the pitch was for me the true sign of champions. Well done. I would guess that this side conceded the least number of tries against it than any other kzn side which is true testament to its defence structures and determination. Just like yesterday without the two doops the boys stood up up against a spirited college side who gave it there all. Long live school boy rugby .
@Jordaan: uuhhmmm kies n vinger Jorrie!! Middelste een links of regs!!
@Gungets Tuft: What were youre words to me yesterday?
Take the time off, you can work tonight and sleep when you are dead…..
You missed a good game. But for some sublime running from Tedder (and rather weak defence in the flyhalf channel) the game was there for the taking for College.
@WBHS Griffon: If I was a wealthy sugar farmer, my son would be going to College. Oh, wait …..
@WBHS Griffon: Blackmore House only takes 130 now and is not the same standard as Gibson, it was vice versa up until the late 90’s……you are right there. Yes, of course Hilton, Michaelhouse and Kearsney are better, it’s cost 200k a year to go there vs about R70k for a boarder at Glenwood…..3 times the price so should be 3 times better….
@Grasshopper: You and I both know that it’s not quite in the same league as Hilton, Kearsney and Michaelhouse from a boarding perspective.
In my day most of the farm boys i.e. Lance Klusener opted to board at DHS rather than Glenwood, a far better school back in the day.
@WBHS Griffon: also, what do you mean by a true boarding house? Gibson House has been there since 1934, initially with 60 boys, then expanded to 150 in the 70s and now about 250….it is a proper boarding house….
@WBHS Griffon: you will be surprised, some people are wealthy because they don’t spend all of their money. College and Glenwood get plenty of farmers kids, believe me that is why sport is improving. Having a big BE attracts many kids from around the province and country. Any, not going to start an argument with you….
@Grasshopper: I’m not so sure about the wealthy sugar farmer analogy, believe me if I was a wealthy sugar farmer my kid would be going to Hilton, Kearsney or Michaelhouse – a true boarding school, they certainly wouldn’t be boarding at Glenwood that’s for sure.
Unless those are all scholarships you offering , that doesn’t seem like a very realistic statement to make, let’s be honest.
@Klofie Pa: EDITED (absolutely nothing to do with SBR)
As ons in die Noorde dieselfde passie gehad het as die klomp souties/natallers..,,,
kan jy dink die kontreversie wat sou heers op die blog!!
het op n ander blog(365)gese daar is niemand wat n game of bespreking kan oorheers soos ons vriende in die groot KZN!!’
@WBHS Griffon: just to point out, probably half of Glenwood don’t actually come from or live in the area. We have wealthy sugar farmer kids, a whole mix of areas so talking about all Glenwood kids coming from the rough harbour area is rubbish. In my day we had about 20 kids from Kloof and Hillcrest, 20 from Umhlanga, 10 from Westville, 10 from Mtubatuba just in my year….
@star: Star, put me back on your Xmas list, just sort out WBHS Griffon. Simple question earlier in the week, will a winning margin of less than 40 point against MC suffice for YOU? Simple – just want to see your true colours.
Oh jeez, there’s your Lower Umbilo special again! You guys are a real bunch of ragtags down by the harbour I tell – lol!
@WBHS Griffon: Julle Westviile ouens is ‘n skander. Jy is nêrens naby Glenwood as ‘n allround skool, jy is net ‘n “Village School” met geld!
Gaan GROEN!
@WBHS Griffon: Bru, can you read. Go and have another read, I suspect you are the only one who missed the “Glenwood, same comments” part. Get off your high horse boet, it takes at least 2 parties to fight, it only takes one to stop it. Westville and Glenwood both claim to have a kick arse headmaster, how about you get them to stop kicking and sit down to talk. It’s what grown up people do.
@Gungets Tuft: Regarding your point around resolving issues with Glenwood being Westville’s responsibility, that seems very one sided to me. Funny how we have the utmost respect for and have never had any of these types of issues with the likes of Kearsney, DHS, Hilton, Michaelhouse etc. ??
It takes two to tango and we are certainly not going to be dictated to by Glenwood and let them have the upper hand regarding fixtures etc, and I’m sure it’s visa versa for them. In reality, disputes are often a little more complicated to resolve than some people make them out to be. Make sense?
@ McCulleys- that is it you are off the Mbona invite list
How did I get dragged into this? Just pointed out some obvious issues for a bit of balance. Actually do not really care and am happy for both teams for arguably their best seasons for a while.
@WBHS Griffon: How about everyone stops using College as their blunt instrument. Westville get two log points for the College match, no bonus points for artistic impression. Final log is
Kearsney 13
Westville 12
Glenwood 11
Hilton 10
College 6
Then the rest – I think I have the numbers right.
Mr Griffon, suggest you start putting some pressure on the leadership at Westville to resolve issues such as those with Glenwood. It matters little who started it, if the Trevor’s are 1/2 the leaders everyone says they are then they would be sitting over a beer and sorting it out. Then this all goes away.
In the meantime, well done Kearsney, not only on the win and the season, but on the way the school has done the business over the last few years.
Well done Westville, that’s a damn fine season. Back it up with some management diplomacy and you have a formula for success. It’s all that is missing. Glenwood, same comments. It’s not good for the province if one of the powerhouses is under a cloud. Time for all the Old Boys to step up.
My opinion, take it, leave it….
College lost to Glenwood, Westville, Hilton and Kearsney and they are in the 3rd position?
Geez Griffon, give it a rest. We don’t give a shit! We play and watch because we enjoy it! Like I said; we stoked that the spirit in which the games were played we’re superb! Just proud; that should be enough! Give it a rest!
@WBHS Griffon: you are on TIK, so it all comes down the Sun, Moon and Stars stats, is that it? No doubt from what I’ve seen, 3 Westville games, 4 Kearsney games, carry on with your poison. Kearsney with a full side against Westville with a full side, no brainer.
..and we gave College 50 points, that’s going to put a serious spanner in the works for no.1 in KZN now. After recent performances Westville would probably have to just edge it although the two sides are very lose this season. Glenwood would have to slip below College after the loss to Campbell and with Kearsney narrowly beating College.
Top 5:
1) Westville
2) Kearsney
3) College
4) Glenwood
5) Hilton
No fight for no 1 spot…,just stoked with the good spirit in today’s again all the games this year!!! Well done KC on a super season, and to College for being a respected opoosition as always!!!
I can’t believe CW boys are off at 2:30am for Rustenberg!! 5 matches in 8 days-crazy!!!
@ Grassy- They also beat Westville so I have given them the nod
Yes It is going to be a ding dong battle for the next few years which should be great . We just need to keep those dastardly spectators in check.
@star: Not sure how College 2nd’s are no1 when they drew with Glenwood at College. Under14A is probably Glenwood. Also Glenwood are in the top 3 for Under15A and Under16A, so we set for another few years….
@ Goose- I hate to point it out but most of other contenders did not beat Westville.
Nogie 7-13
Polkinghorne 6-18
Nel 13-13
But at least they played them. All fun now
Well I gave my brother in law ( the vice captain in 1981) a 10 point spread and so will be drinking at Waxy’s tomorrow on the Kearsney account.
I think congratulations to the Kearsney 1st team for a great season and to College for having the number 1 2nds, U16A and U15A in KZN. Also the U14A must have showed great character today.
I thought Schramm looked a little jaded after a busy season although he came alive in the second half, but was well marked. Goes to show what a difference the Du Preez make, drawing defenders and creating opportunities for the likes of Schramm. I agree with Greenblooded, the contest between Schramm and Goodsen was a bit of a non event, and for next season my money would be on the grade 11 8th man from Glenwood, physically more imposing than Goodsen. I thought the College 7, Le Roux had a better first half than Goodsen. Tedder, for a light player, was cracker, brilliant in defense, great with ball in hand and tactical kicking good. Haven’t, didn’t and don’t get the Reece Edwards factor, I thought the college 9 was better on the day and out played Reece. Better pass, more physical, better on defense. Both 15’s were great with Lines only getting involved in the game and exerting his influence late in the second half.
@GreenBlooded: I love those ‘site’ meetings at school rugby matches….
Great game – exciting right up to the end. College had 2 scoring opportunities in the last 5 minutes. They set up camp twice on the Kearsney line but outstanding defence by Kearsney kept them out. Very nice to see College back to playing rugby after their non-arrival at the weekend – committed and gutsy stuff from all of them. Kearsney – quality side. No 1 in KZN for sure. My little Schramm / Goodson sideshow – I’d call it a draw today. I thought both of them were a little quiet by their normal standards. Tedder – what a talent. Superb. College player of the day today – Slade Stuart who played in the 2nd team and the last quarter of the 1st. Jobbed like a trojan and made all sorts of magic. He will sleep well tonight. Well done to both teams. Best site meeting I’ve had in a while……..
Eish Reece-Edwards seems to have picked up a bad injury as well today. I hope it’s not nearly as bad as it looked by the way he had to be helped off.
@RBugger: Agreed. I think that Chris Lines also added a huge amount to the team. While not being regarded as superstars, the centres were trojans and delivered week after week with great defence and sniping attacks.
If you consider KC’s results this year excluding the Paarl Gim game, I think the team conceded only 3-4 tries in total. That is an insane record.
@TheGoose: For sure, this could well be the best team KC has produced. In terms of standout players, there is no doubt.
They have had a brilliant season and I only wish they could have played Gim with all players being fit and available. This is not to try and make some sort of excuse, as Gim were brilliant, but I really feel the team has come on in leaps and bounds and would have been fantastic to see the Doops fit and healthy against Gim.
Other than the Gim result, which although a big score the boys did very well in the first half and should have been leading, the rest of the games they showed great maturity, power and skill.
All the boys in this team deserve a big mention as they have been outstanding!!!
I would like to make mention of number 8, Schramm who I felt was a real warrior and although carrying injuries, took up the Doops role in their abscence. To me, he has been a standout player all season and I look forward to what he has to offer at CW.
Well done to Reece-Edwards who captained and led the team with great distinction through-out the year. Also to the twins, what a comeback!!! It was also great to see the support they showed to their team, always happy and smiling at the success of KC.
Looking forward to seeing the brilliant Tedder lead a new era next season
@RBugger: There is also the debate on which will be classed as Kearsney’s best 1st Team ever. I think that this year’s team will be the one. Here is an extract of the history of Kearsney Rugby….
‘There is some debate as to which was the best team to have represented the College during the last sixty six years. The record shows that the 1944 side, led by John Davey, played 12 games, won 10 and lost 2, giving an 83,3% success rate. In this record their claim to have been the best School side was that they beat every school they played. Because the small number of schools in those early days it was common to play some schools twice. They beat Hilton, Michaelhouse, St Charles (twice), St Henry’s (twice), Glenwood (twice), College and D.H.S, but lost to College 5-6 and D.H.S 5-12 in their return fixtures. Three other sides had a better success record. Eric Ngoie team in 2005 played 19 games, winning 17 losing to Westville (7-13) and drawing with Glenwood (6-6). Jeremy Nel’s team in 1987 played 19 games winning 16 but losing to College (10-20) and drawing with Hilton (6-6) and Westville (13-13).
Matt Stevens side in 2001 played 18 games won 15 and lost to K.E.S(13-18 ) and College (15-25) and drew with Southland N.Z. (16-16).The 1981 side of which David Polkinghorne was the captain had an equally successful record playing 18 winning 15, losing 2 against College(0-6) and Westville(6-18) and drawing with D.H.S.(9-9). John Davey’s 1944 side had three players selected for Natal Schools, Trevor Calder, loose head front rank, Harry Newton Walker who was later to become the School’s first Springbok, played both front rank and lock and Norman Theunissen on the wing. Norman played on the wing with great distinction for Natal for many years. Eight members of the team were awarded Honours, the most ever awarded in one year. Only 15 players represented the School and all were awarded team colours
Eric Ngoie’s side had three players and Matt Stevens’ five players selected to represent Kwa-Zulu
Natal. Matt Stevens played in the S.A. team which competed in the Under 19 World Cup. Jeremy
Nel’s side had two players in the Natal School’s team. David Polkinghorne’s side had three Natal
Schools representatives. One could argue for many hours as to which has been the school’s most
successful team.’
Well done KC – Was always going to be a tough match after College lost so badly on the weekend.
Again, a win without the Doops just shows the depth that KC have. Also, a big well done to College on running KC so close on Stott – wish I could have seen the game!
Can we all now agree that KC are number 1 in KZN
@Grasshopper: What was the game like? The Doops are injured and I hear that Matt Reece-Edwards had to go off just after half-time. Were there any other injuries. Hope for CW sake that Tedder and Schramm came through unscathed.
22-14 full time, Well done Kearsney!
Kearsney College @KearsneyNews 30s
#Kearsney Rugby 1st XV 22 vs Maritzburg College 14 full time #LIVE #1Stripe
Yes Man – Gooooooooooo For It KC
Thanks for the updates Grasshopper
Kearsney 22 vs Maritzburg College 14 Try Mitch du Toit fourteen minutes left of second half
@TheGoose: What a player – must finish now to claim no 1 spot!!!
17-14 to Kearsney, drop goal Tedder! 20 left…
@RBugger: Tristan Tedder…2 tries, 2 conversions and a drop goal.
14 all, 24 mins left…
@Beet: Are you at the game? Not able to be there due to work commitments. A source has told me Tedder is having a stormer!
Sounds to be a good, hard and very tough match
@Woltrui: Much harder to check. All the sweaty okes who like odd shaped balls are reporting in, none that prefer skills and finesse. I am sure that the boy-child will report in once the match is over.
Rugby – Kearsney lead 14-11 at half time.
14-11 to Kearsney, 5 mins of 1st half left…
11-7 to College ten minutes of 1st half left, upset maybe?
1st 7-6 to Kearsney, 20 mins to go in 1st half…
@Gungets Tuft: Mr Tufts, hope you at least checked the laaities hockey game
2nd College win 37-15!
2nds MC 37 KC 15
Thanks guys – U14A is a HUGE result considering both the teams records to date. I think KC U14A has had a good season only losing to GW?
2nd College 22 – Kearsney 15, almost half time…
@Rugger fan: From Greenblooded, who is there. Sadly, I have failed. Too many stukkend cars out there to take time off ..
U14A – College 18, KC 17 (sounds like a HUGE match, lead changed hands 3 times)
3rds – College 14, KC 41 (shrriieek!!)
2nd team 15 all with 10 mins of first half played. Tough and close battle there it seems
3rd’s – Kearsney 41 – College 14 (Wow)
Under14A – Kearsney 17 – College 18
@Grasshopper: Goodsen wasn’t even picked for the Academy side.
Any early scores available yet?
Maybe bring in Martin from Westville and either Goodsen or Maseko to replace the Doops for this weekend, we cannot chance them with Craven Week soon….
@TIGER_1: This Saturday in Rustenburg
@RBugger: Where is the Griffons match taking place?
@beet: Red, Black and White – 15 of them will run onto the field today and represent College.
What was it the Campbell coach told his team, “All I want is … everything you have” (smaak that stukkend!!). We will get that, no doubt.
You will be there – yes?
@beet: Agreed. JL did look like he was nursing his knee at the Hilton game and then must have aggravated it in Middelburg.
Would be interesting to see the decisions made to replace them if either weren’t ready for CW. Maseko and Goodson may well get their shot in the Academy side.
@TheGoose: Yes, their injuries come at a bda time. Dan is just a hamstring niggle, but JL has a bad knee and he must be careful – against Hilton he was limping badly… As Beet rightly said, this is only SBR and must be taken into context.
Yip, am an old boy of PBHS
@TheGoose: There is so little time til Craven Week. The boys and parents must also consider their long term futures. It’s pointless playing injured, damaging bodies further and as a result having long term consequences that prevent progress in rugby after school.
The Doops have been to 2 CWs, made SA Schools and have contracts for rugby after school. They have nothing left to prove this year really but they stand to lose much going forward if they are not cautious.
College seem like they will also be without captain Seko Buthelezi and Hayden Tharratt
@RBugger: Dan and JL’s injuries come at a very bad time for the CW preparation. Hope they can sort them out before Polokwane.
RBugger…RUASOBexPBHS?
@TheGoose: Injured, Dan may have a torn hamstring and JL a bad knee. Schramm also carrying a hand injury.
2 much rubgy, Hilton on Sat, then Pumas on Tuesday, now College and then Griffons on Sat – crazy amount of Rugga before CW even starts! Not wise
Are the Doops out because of Craven Week commitments or because of injuries picked up against the Pumas. They still have the crazy prospect of travelling to Rustenburg tomorrow to play at Bondedag on Saturday.
All roads lead to Kearsney this afternoon. I think College will be out to restore some pride and the game could get interesting.
Go Maritzburrow!!!! (Skuus Mnr Beet. Het n sagte plek vir die Maritzburg boitjies). Skool met die aangenaamste “Old boys”. En die vet weet, hier is baie van hulle in Pretoria