The Baby Bok team to play France in the final round of pool games at 20:45 on Thursday, 13 June 2013 has been announced. The big news is that SA’s star player Handre Pollard has been moved back to flyhalf after a miserable outing at inside centre against England. Pollard played flyhalf for the victorious JWC team of 2012, while he was still a schoolboy at Paarl Gymnasium.
The SA under-20 team just need a draw from this match to advance to the semi-finals. Although it’s not a given, the BB’s are the favourites to win this game. England should secure a bonus point win against the USA and as things stand, this along with their points difference achieved during the game, should be enough to see them advance to the semi-finals as well, provided that neither of the other two pool deciders end in draws.
In Pool B New Zealand plays Ireland and in Pool C its Wales and Argentina that have to battle it out. Only the winner of each of these matches is guaranteed to earn a place in the semi-finals, so the two games are like quarter-final knockouts in many respects. However that said, a draw in either game would be enough to see both sides involved in that match advance.
| POSITION | NAME | H | W | SCHOOL | PROVINCE | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Prop | Sti Sithole | 179 | 104 | Westville | WP |
| 2 | Hooker | Jacques du Toit | 186 | 102 | Grey College | Free State |
| 3 | Prop | Marne Coetzee | 180 | 114 | Glenwood | Sharks |
| 4 | Lock | Irne Herbst | 197 | 117 | Waterkloof | Bulls |
| 5 | Lock | Dennis Visser | 200 | 120 | Affies | Bulls |
| 6 | Flank | Roelof Smit | 190 | 90 | Waterkloof | Bulls |
| 7 | Lock | Jacques du Plessis | 201 | 119 | Ermelo | Bulls |
| 8 | Flank | Ruan Steenkamp | 182 | 92 | Monnas | Bulls |
| AVG HGT / TTL WGT | 189 | 858 | ||||
| 9 | Scrumhalf | Hanco Venter | 176 | 82 | Monnas | Sharks |
| 10 | Flyhalf | Handre Pollard | 188 | 97 | Paarl Gym | Bulls |
| 11 | Wing | Seabelo Senatla | 186 | 76 | Harmony | Free State |
| 12 | Flyhalf | Rohan Jv Rensburg | 186 | 100 | Waterkloof | Bulls |
| 13 | Centre | Dries Swanepoel | 184 | 92 | Grey College | Bulls |
| 14 | Wing | Luther Obi | 175 | 86 | St Benedicts | Leopards |
| 15 | Fullback | Cheslin Kolbe | 171 | 74 | Brackenfell | WP |
| AVG HGT / TTL WGT | 181 | 607 | ||||
| 16 | Hooker | Andrew Beerwinkel | 186 | 115 | Porterville | Bulls |
| 17 | Prop | Michael Willemse | 184 | 103 | Grey High | WP |
| 18 | Lock | Jannes Kirsten | 196 | 107 | Affies | Bulls |
| 19 | No.8 | Aidon Davis | 191 | 100 | Daniel Pienaar | Kings |
| 23 | Prop | Devon Martinus | 186 | 122 | Bredasdorp | Lions |
| AVG HGT / TTL WGT | 189 | 547 | ||||
| 20 | Scrumhalf | Percy Williams | 160 | 70 | Oudtshoorn | Lions |
| 21 | Centre | Robert du Preez | 192 | 95 | Kearsney | Sharks |
| 22 | Fullback | Jesse Kriel | 186 | 95 | Maritzburg Coll | Bulls |
| AVG HGT / TTL WGT | 179 | 260 | ||||
| Prop | Luan de Bruin | 183 | 124 | Affies | Free State | |
| Scrumhalf | Stefan Ungerer | 185 | 88 | Maritzburg Coll | Sharks | |
| Centre | Justin Geduld | 175 | 70 | Tygerberg | WP | |
| Utility | Sylvian Mahuza | 178 | 80 | Outeniqua | Leopards | |
| Flank | Kwagga Smith | 180 | 80 | HTS Middelburg | Lions |
Schedule
The semi-finals are on 18 June and the final is on 23 June 2013.
| DATE | TEAM | Pos | TEAM | P | W | D | L | TF | PF | PA | PD | BP | Pts | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| POOL A | 1 | South Africa | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 19 | 128 | 24 | 104 | 1 | 9 | ||
| 3 | England | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 54 | 37 | 17 | 1 | 5 | |||
| 2 | France | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 51 | 33 | 18 | 1 | 5 | |||
| 4 | United States | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 142 | -139 | 0 | 0 | |||
| 05 Jun – 18:45 | France | 6 | 30 | England | ||||||||||
| 05 Jun – 20:45 | South Africa | 97 | 0 | United States | ||||||||||
| 09 Jun – 16:45 | South Africa | 31 | 24 | England | ||||||||||
| 09 Jun – 18:45 | France | 45 | 3 | United States | ||||||||||
| 13 Jun – 18:45 | England | United States | ||||||||||||
| 13 Jun – 20:45 | France | South Africa | ||||||||||||
| POOL B | ||||||||||||||
| 1 | New Zealand | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 73 | 16 | 57 | 1 | 9 | |||
| 2 | Ireland | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 70 | 18 | 52 | 1 | 9 | |||
| 3 | Australia | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 25 | 33 | -8 | 2 | 2 | |||
| 4 | Fiji | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 9 | 110 | -101 | 0 | 0 | |||
| 05 Jun – 18:45 | Ireland | 19 | 15 | Australia | ||||||||||
| 05 Jun – 20:45 | New Zealand | 59 | 6 | Fiji | ||||||||||
| 09 Jun – 18:45 | Ireland | 51 | 3 | Fiji | ||||||||||
| 09 Jun – 20:45 | New Zealand | 14 | 10 | Australia | ||||||||||
| 13 Jun – 18:45 | New Zealand | Ireland | ||||||||||||
| 13 Jun – 20:45 | Australia | Fiji | ||||||||||||
| POOL C | ||||||||||||||
| 1 | Wales | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 68 | 24 | 44 | 1 | 9 | |||
| 2 | Argentina | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 72 | 29 | 42 | 1 | 9 | |||
| 3 | Scotland | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 34 | 70 | -36 | 1 | 1 | |||
| 4 | Samoa | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 19 | 70 | -51 | 0 | 0 | |||
| 05 Jun – 18:00 | Wales | 42 | 3 | Samoa | ||||||||||
| 05 Jun – 20:00 | Argentina | 44 | 13 | Scotland | ||||||||||
| 09 Jun – 15:00 | Argentina | 28 | 16 | Samoa | ||||||||||
| 09 Jun – 17:00 | Wales | 26 | 21 | Scotland | ||||||||||
| 13 Jun – 16:45 | Wales | Argentina | ||||||||||||
| 13 Jun – 19:00 | Scotland | Samoa |
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Baby Bok team for game 1 vs USA
| POSITION | NAME | SURNAME | SCHOOL | PROVINCE | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Prop | Andrew | Beerwinkel | Porterville | Bulls | SA Schools 2011 |
| 2 | Hooker | Jacques | du Toit | Grey College | Free State | |
| 3 | Prop | Luan | de Bruin | Affies | Free State | |
| 4 | Lock | Irne | Herbst | Waterkloof | Bulls | SA Schools 2011 |
| 5 | Lock | Dennis | Visser | Affies | Bulls | |
| 6 | Flank | Roelof | Smit | Waterkloof | Bulls | |
| 7 | Lock | Jacques | du Plessis | Ermelo | Bulls | SA Schools 2011 |
| 8 | Flank | Ruan | Steenkamp | Monnas | Bulls | SA Schools 2011 |
| 9 | Scrumhalf | Stefan | Ungerer | Maritzburg Coll | Sharks | |
| 10 | Flyhalf | Robert | du Preez | Kearsney | Sharks | |
| 11 | Wing | Luther | Obi | St Benedicts | Leopards | |
| 12 | Flyhalf | Handre | Pollard | Paarl Gym | Bulls | SA Schools 2012 |
| 13 | Centre | Justin | Geduld | Tygerberg | WP | |
| 14 | Wing | Seabelo | Senatla | Harmony | Free State | |
| 15 | Fullback | Cheslin | Kolbe | Brackenfell | WP | SA Schools 2012 |
| 16 | Hooker | Michael | Willemse | Grey High | WP | |
| 17 | Prop | Sti | Sithole | Westville | WP | |
| 18 | No.8 | Aidon | Davis | Daniel Pienaar | Kings | SA Schools 2012 |
| 19 | Flank | Kwagga | Smith | HTS Middelburg | Lions | |
| 20 | Scrumhalf | Hanco | Venter | Monnas | Sharks | |
| 21 | Centre | Dries | Swanepoel | Grey College | Bulls | SA Schools 2011 |
| 22 | Fullback | Jesse | Kriel | Maritzburg Coll | Bulls | SA Schools 2012 |
| 23 | Prop | Marne | Coetzee | Glenwood | Sharks | SA Schools 2011 |
| NP | Hooker | Devon | Martinus | Bredasdorp | Lions | |
| NP | Lock | Jannes | Kirsten | Affies | Bulls | |
| NP | Scrumhalf | Percy | Williams | Oudtshoorn | Lions | SA Schools 2011 |
| NP | Centre | Rohan | Jv Rensburg | Waterkloof | Bulls | SA Schools 2012 |
| NP | Utility | Sylvian | Mahuza | Outeniqua | Leopards |
@beet: agree he won’t make it, he will be a specialist 7’s player over time.
@BOG: née wat JJ is baie beter speler
@Ploegskaar: stem 100% saam met jou.
Front rows vrot, hookers even vrotter, locks vrotste. Kwagga would have made a difference in the loose yesterday, if you want to play a kortgat loosie, at least play a fast one (Stoney made some memorable tackles at least). Nine was poor, Pollard getting there and Kolbe sublime. Points collected, maybe just move on and hope for better.
@BOG: Thanks Bog. Just stripped with the arrogance of your friend. Agree with your last point but if we agree that his efficiency at turning the ball over is not up to standard. I do see that as a reason not to pick him.
@beet: In my opinion, humble of course, Swanepoel, ito natural talent, is only half a head behind Serfontein. I would expect Swanepoel, providing he remains injury-free, to become a regular partner next to his old buddy.Im sticking my neck out, but here goes- In the next 2 years, he ( Swanepoel ) will become the preferred 13 to JJ Engelbrecht in the BBs. That is how much I rate him. ( Also Engelbrechts shorts is a size or two to small and is going to cause him a hernia in a place he does not want one)
@vatikaki: I haven’t seen Wales play but was surprised at the result. We had a hard time in Argentina losing 2/3 there, so I altho I expect the BBs to win their semi, I’m not counting nothing before it hatched
@Westers:
Yep. Lucky we didn’t score another try.
@vatikaki: Definitely the easier semi then.
@Grasshopper: Except for the stupid way he threw the ball away to gift France their first try. I actually thought Senatla had a better all round game. Obi’s try was well taken, but set up by Kolbe.
But bottom line, with only 37% possession in the second half, a better side than France would have beaten us.
Wales in the semi.
@Westers: Obi had a good game too, both on defense and attack…
Only good things from this game – Kolbe was sublime and Pollards form is improving.
I think that the BBs are all trying to tackle the ball to much, not concentrating on bringing the man down. They miss the ball, the runner spins out of the tackle. Basics. They need to think, which Pollard seems to have got them doing in the last 10 minutes
This side look like they have never played together before.
This is complete drivel against a side that scored half the points we did against the USA…..can’t do anything right.
Beerwinkel or whoever the new tight head is in turbo reverse!
@vatikaki: I hope you’re right but when we do have the ball we seem to lack any ideas.
Our locks are non existent, can’t jump, can’t catch, can’t tackle properly. The front row is doing OK, better than the last game but not dominating. We relying on talented backs to score miraculous tries. Pretty average side with two stars, Du Plessis and Colby…
@Westers: Agree. Not pretty at all. Basics not being executed.
@Westers:
Outside of Luther Obi stupidity they haven’t conceded any points…
Think we’ve got a better chance then you might think.
You cannot play this game if you do not have the ball. Apart from the 1st minute we have looked shambolic. No trophy this year I am afraid. Time now for a new coach at this level.
@Ludz: @BuffelsCM:@Ploegskaar: @phat55: I think we can all agree that Kolbe is a good player. The difference in opinion is just concerning whether he makes it to the big leagues.
For me better examples than Brent Russell (1.70m) are Shane Williams and Neil Back (1.77m). 2 guys that defied the odds to have memorable international careers. Even Brad Thorn (1.95m). How many times have we dismissed locks of similar height as being too short.
@star: A lot to do with Dawie wanting a genuine inside centre. Had Serf been in France he would have worn 12 and Pollard 10 in the opening 2 games.
Tyler unfortunately lost out to Geduld and Swanepoel.
Geduld was quite possibly the player of the u19 season in 2012 but Tyler could not have been far behind and was desperately unlucky to lose out to Swanepoel.
I wonder why Tyler Fisher was overlooked when Serfontein dropped out. He seemed to be in contention for a long period and his physicality would have been a great foil for the smaller men.
@Ludz: I agree with you! I know he is small but he doesn’t shy away from making tackles. With ball in hand he is extremely dangerous and exciting. He played some excellent rugby in the Vodacom Cup as you’ve mentioned.
He has picked up a lot of muscle during the last 2 seasons but hasn’t lost pace.
I’ve seen him playing a few years ago at school – he created havoc for the opposition with the ball in hand
I think Cheslin Kolbe is gonna surprise a few. I’ve watched him in the Vodacom Cup this year, thought not SR or Test rugby, it’s still a senior players competition. he looked very good there, he’s elusive, hard to get a proper tackle on him added to that, he’s probably the most intelligent backline player I have seen at this level in a while for South Africa. I honestly can’t fault his defense.
Another season of 7s with Paul Treu would be good, it’ll further develop his skill set, also allow his body to develop without the physicality that come with 15 man rugby. He’s only 20, so his body must be looked after
Dit lyk vir my of “Toks en Tjops”in Klerksdorp is vanaand in “uitgelese” geselskap- networking, elk met n laptop. @Tjoppa: Die regte Oval is op die buitewyke van Londen, langs Brixton waar hulle n paar jaar gelede lekker klipgevegte gehad het. Maar daar is ook die Maritsburge Oval, en baie wie daar verkeer, fantaseer oor die een in Londen. Net soos hulle fantaseer oor tropiese paradyse. Wat Brussouw betref, watter internasionale speler wie sy sout werd is, is nie “uitgewerk” en bekend aan die opposisie nie?
@Speartackle: Good evening Mr Speartackle. And how are you this good evening? Do though think the Bokkies will win tonight or do though think not?
@Speartackle: As jy nou ‘n kakkerige houding wil inneem loop ek liewers. As jy wil praat praat rugby of hou jou bek. Oval se gat man.
@Tjoppa: Jy fokus nie…………..THE OVAL……….amper iets soos Berea Park of die Kaledoniese Stadion
@Speartackle: Nee moes toe mos maar trek na ‘n kompleks vir die oues van dae. Nou hier onder die Kollonade. Waar is jy deesdae.
Sien David Warner sit daar langs die paadjie oppad kleedkamer toe…….geen wonder Joe Root wil nie uitgaan.
@Tjoppa: Sit stil daar in jou grasdakhuis in Hercules of gaan vanaand Kwaggasrand Spur toe………..eat as much ribs & wings vir 10 Euros
@Speartackle: Gee my so rukkie wil net die Atlas gaan kry. Weet wragtig nie van watter land jy praat nie. Maar as ek reg is naby Engeland en Frankryk ne.
@Tjoppa: Les Been
@Speartackle: Kyk gereeld Flinkdink maar van watter land is Les Blues president. Klink amper asof hy verlangs familie is van Bles Bridges.
@Tjoppa: Eks hier in Frankryk saam die Bokkies maar op die oomblik op The Oval en kyk hoe 2 Saffas die rook uit Sri Lanka uit moer. Vertrek more weer vroeg na die land van Les Bleus
@Speartackle: Liewe genade waar was jy in exile. So ‘n bekvol in Ingels nogal ne.
Hope the pathetic first time tackling has been looked at. Even Gene Louw’s u/12″s tackle better.
Our front row wouldn’t even be stable against Boishaai’s u/15″s
Our locks play like powder puffers
Stoney is a hooker
Who’ll be kicking for goal? Pollard can’t even kick out of hand anymore, let alone at the sticks.
Nothing wrong with Kolbe’s size, he’s a footballer like Doc used to say, footballers don’t need size
@valke: His creativity will be stifled at 9 with the lack of space around rucks and malls. You want him to run at the space between and behind big slow forwards and big slow backs (same thing nowadays!). A roaming 15 position, as with Willie, is perfect for him, his strength is slotting in at 10, 13 or wherever he identifies space, before the opposition (and sadly before his team mates) does so. Nothing wrong with his defense either, just ask BoishaaiPa.
@BOG: As forward definitely. But I also would not play Brussouw not because of his size but because opposition has identified him and he is easily countered. He is definitely not the best defender nor ball carrier therefore was chosen as ball pincher but everybody knows his style of play and he is not turning enough ball over to warrant his inclusion.
@Ploegskaar: Unfortunately in SA, size comes first. Ability does not count for much.
Maby Cheslin Kolby can move to scrum half at senior level and still have an impact. He is definitely good enough.
@BOG: he definitely aint a midget but HM considers him too small for a loosie in his bok pack which I completely disagree with.
@phat55: Heinrich Brussouw hardly, at 1,81 mtrs and 101 kgs, qualify as a midget
@Ploegskaar: couldn’t agree more! and its for this exact reason that someone like Heinrich Brussouw is getting ignored by HM
@beet: And yet NZ plays 82Kg/1.75m Cruden @ 10…. Mind shift required boys, we have pissed Brent Russel and many others like him’s talents away too many times with our size obsession. I am not advocating an entire team of 70Kg midgets, but you can hide a gifted attacker in your defense.
Today I’m really looking forward to watching Rohan play. I hope he does not disappoint. Also hope Dennis Visser is able to lift his game. And that Aidon Davis gets a chance on the park.
@vatikaki: Agreed. Both guys are way too small and their chances of advancing to the senior ranks is slim based on this. I think it’s a real pity for Kolbe coz he really has a fantastic rugby brain and backs it with good technique. He has good strength on his feet as well.
As for Geduld, yes in tight situations, that lack of weight on attack is a deficit. He will get driven backwards in contact when he has to crash. However he also poses such a mismatch that gaps not available to bigger sized centres are his for the taking and someone he showed time and time again last season, as he did in the all-important final, that tiniest bit of space is all he needs to cut open a D.
At least with Pollard back at 10 things should go a lot better.
@beet:
I suppose it is but even on attack I’d be seriously concerned about his size if he were to play senior rugby in the future. He’d be tossed around like a rag doll. Same goes for Cheslin Kolbe.
It’s all good having an entertaining highlights-reel, but size comes into play in many facets and if you take away that highlights reel, how is their overall game? It’s just so important to be winning the physical battle.
I assumed Dawie was going to use Geduld as an impact player off the bench so him starting has come as a bit of a shock.
@vatikaki: I’ve watched Geduld a couple of times for WP u19. He is very elusive on attack at 13. Famously remembered how he breezed past Jan Serfontein and co during last year’s u19 final.
I wonder if its possible to run a player at 13 on attack and 14 on D??? Coz due to his size he has obvious defensive limitations even in this relatively young u20 age-group?
@Woltrui:
Dink nie die Iere het ‘n kans nie, maar dit sal lekker wees as hulle dit wel kan doen!
Ek wil Geduld op die regter vleuel sien.
@vatikaki: Dink ook dit is ‘n goeie kombinasie. Die Geduld laaitie is natuurlik ook flippin goed. Gaan ‘n lekker kopseer wees vir Dawie as hy ook terug is. Weet nie of ek my verbeel maar die NZ agterspelers was nie so groot. Die Ausies het hulle laat klippe kou in die 2de halfte. Hopelik skop die Iere die NZ vanaand uit
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@Woltrui:
Opgewonde om daardie senter kombinasie te sien. Hopelik speel hulle goed genoeg om Dawie te vorseer om hulle in die semi ook te kies. Gaan ‘n groter senter kombinasie nodig hê as ons NZ moet speel.
Wag n ma se verassing op die Franse wanneer hulle die senter kanaal van die Bokkies gaan aanval. 8)
IRB website has a bit more up to date Heights & Weights for you beet.