Many of the leading candidates for this year’s SA Schools (u18) team are likely to be revealed once the list of players invited to attend the elite player development Alignment Camp is made known. The camp is expected to be held at the Stellenbosch Academy of Sport (SAS) from 27 February to 01 March 2020. The timing means it is unlikely to clash with any of the planned regular season school rugby fixtures.
@Gatskop: Dankie vir jou reply, ek verstaan nou uit watter hoek jou post gekryf was en stem saam
@Vishuis: Vishuis iewers het jy dalk die punt gemis wat ek probeer maak het. Dit het gegaan oor talent scouts en nie seuns nie. Natuurlik verdien al die seuns op die lys dit om daar te wees. Ek ken klomp van hulle persoonlik en hulle is ongelooflik talentvol.
My punt was egter dat die scouts nie meer hulle steur aan CW en SAS nie. As bewys daarvan is die feit dat seuns reeds voor die CW en SAS gekontrakteur word. As jy reg onthou verlede jaar is van die beste seuns uitgesluit uit die SAS span omdat hulle reeds gekontrakteur is.
Ek dink ook dat die CW nie afgewater is nie. Dit bly steeds die plek waar elke jong man in SA homself wil bewys. Die probleem is egter in getalle. Beteken dit soveel om vir die Boland bv te speel as vir WP? Boland het 1 sterk skool in Drosdy en paar kleiner skole soos Hermanus en ander. Persoonlik dink ek dis moeiliker om vir Grey se 1stes gekies te word as om SWD te speel.
Daarmee neem ek nie nie prestasie weg van seuns wat Puma, Boland of Noord Vrystaat klere verwerf nie. Talentsoekers kyk egter daarna en soek verby die blink van spankeuses na sekere karaktertrekke wat blywende talent beteken.
Daar het al outjies uit die Cherries in my tyd vir Vrystaat die volgende jaar gespeel terwyl die 1ste span craven week speler ophou speel het. Scouts het slimmer en meer wetenskaplik geword as bloot vir wie word jy gekies.
My een kind speel provinsiaal krieket en is 14 jaar oud. Die eerste 2 aanbiedinge het reeds op my tafel gele vanuit engeland voor die provinsiale kleure daar was. Bording school vliegtuig kaartjies en universiteits opleiding alles verniet. Mense verstaan nie die geweldige internasionale monster wat talent identifiseering geword het nie.
Ek sien sommige van die bloggers dink die tyd van kontrakte vir rugby seuns is verby…… Die tyd vir kontrakte vir sport het nou eers begin. Die NFL het ook begin scout in SA en sokker, rugby, atletiek en menigde ander sporte internasionaal kyk met honger oe na ons kinders.
Plaaslike universiteite in SA en provinsiale rugby unies is finasieleel onder druk en die polisie en weermag koop nie meer die beste talent soos in ons tyd nie. Pretoria Polisie was altyd ongelooflik gewees. Gelukkig vir ons kinders is die wereld nou oop vir hulle en die wat bly gaan happy wees en die wat ry gaan happy wees.
CW is basies n suiwer kwotaweek.
n totale mors van tyd met sub standaard skeidsregters om te begin mee.
Hanteringsfoute en gemors skoppe is amper ontelbaar so baie is dit.
Die spulletjie het darem nou al die lig gesien om OP, Grens en Griekwas platteland van ontslae te raak by die week.
@Gatskop: Ek dink jou algemene stelling dat niemand meer omgee oor CW en SAS is heel onvanpas en onrespekvol teenoor die seuns wat wel die oefengroep gemaak het. Baie van die seuns wat op die lys hierbo is, indien nie almal nie, sal wat wou gee om wel hul provinsie se CW span of indien dit hul beskore is een van die SAS spanne te maak. Dit is waarvoor die oorgrote meederheid van hulle baie hard werk en oefen. Tweedens gaan en wil almal ooknie hul heil in die buiteland gaan soek nie. Sommiges sal wel hier by Universiteiete wil studeer en dan is alle prestasies behaal tot hul voordeel vir die kry van moontlike beurse en ook kontrakte. Ek stem wel saam dat geleenthede hier beperk is weens politieke en ander redes, dat dit ons seuns gesogd is in die buitelend en dat daar meer geleenthede in die buiteland is. Dit is maar elkeen se keuse. Ter afsluiting voel ek dat, al is CW dalk al bietjie verwater, SAS nog een van die grootste mylpale is wat enige seun in SA skolerugby kan bereik.
Ek hou duim vas vir die laaities hierbo en ook die wat nie op die lys is nie en uitstyg deur die jaar, dat hul drome bewaarheid sal word.
@Vleis: But to get an American varsity education through rugby is one massive incentive though
@Smallies: Ja ek kry e-posse en oproepe…. Hulle is nogal aanhoudend, maar my kind het gelukkig klaar sy planne…
Rugby word soos sokker. Jy gaan n goeie lewe kan maak van rugby al speel jy vir onbekende 3de liga spanne.
Die lokaas is nou nie meer net rugby kontrak nie, maar opleiding en ook n loopbaan by n internasionale instansie. Ek hou meer van dit as bid dat jy nie beseer word nie en kan rugby speel.
Daars n rede dat talent soekers skole soos Grey, Gim ens teiken. As jy daar dit kan maak beteken dit al klaar dat jy kan inpas by n sisteem waarvan deel disipliene is. Die internasionale maatskappye hou daarvan en hulle besit die klubs….
A lot of the 2020 G12s have already sighned contracts with overseas clubs and universities.
Nobody cares about CW and SAS anymore. Talent is talent and the world is getting smaller with Digi Tv and SSL.
The 2nd tear clubs in Europa has finaly wake up and are now on full reqruitment in SA. SA is the new islands (fiji, tonga and others).
Rumour has it that the US universities are actively looking for rugby talent. They see the opportunity for exposure.
@beet: My point is just that without scoolboy rugby saru is basically dead ,they just don’t know it yet….if schools realy want to they can control scoolboy rugby tottaly from u9 right up to SA schools ,and there is not much Saru can do about it,if you look at the sponsers that schools attract I’m sure that they will be able to host a fully sponsered youth week program much better than saru ,let schools run schoolboy rugby and let saru take it from u19 level up….Shools DON’T need saru but saru needs the schools desperately they just don’t realize it yet
@Smallies: Like a number of other rugby events, it probably doesn’t register high enough on SARU’s list of interests. So my guess is it benefits from this status and probably from having sponsors who are not too fazed about their public image being negatively affected on a national scale. Bigger festivals and schools in addition to their own standing in society, would have to consider whether or not their communities and sponsors would stand by them if they decided to cross swords with SARU. If the motive is to improve opportunities for rugby boys, it shouldn’t set out to achieve the opposite. Same applies for Bokkieweek.
To me where there is opportunity for schools does lie, is to endorse a path forward for their rugby boys, their families, old boys and other supporters on which the importance of attending youth weeks or SARU camps is played down in importance. Still encourage boys to be the best they can be but realign those end goals so they are not measured by provincial or national colours.
Obviously easier said than done. For most top players making CW and/or SAS is the ultimate reward. In some instances making a harder goal to achieve, makes it even more of a special achievement.
Also as things stand schools are very determined to centre their marketing around youth week selection success. They encourage the emphasis on it not vice versa.
SARU controls camps, youth weeks, SAS directly and indirectly. They will continue to have a strong hold over schools, players and the support base for as long as perceptions of high value are attached to what they offer.
@Strepie: Volgende jaar se CW agterlyn gaan bestaan uit n 9 van noorde Paarl en die res van HJS. Geniet die jaar en volgende jaar. Klomp spesiale spelers wat hulle daar bymekaar het.
@beet: i can also tell you that saru has zero control over what happens at a week like the Bokkie week….
@beet: it can only benefit saru is schools are in control of schoolboy rugby…after all they are the organization reaping the rewards of a well development u19 player leaving school
@Smallies: I imagine there must be a growing high degree of frustration amongst the rugby fraternity of schools caused by the way SARU and even local rugby unions go about their business. In many cases these professional bodies appear to be far less efficient than the schools.
But what we cannot afford to happen, is that the 100 or so top rugby playing high schools in SA, lose their enthusiasm for promoting the high level of schoolboy rugby that they do. There are a lot of challenges facing professional rugby in South Africa but SARU and the Unions are fortune to still be blessed with an abundance of good, well-developed young players emerging from the school system every year. There is a lot of squandering of the talent that happens in the years after school but imagine what would become of senior rugby in this country if there was a shortage of good young players in addition to all the other challenges being faced.
@Smallies: an interesting question to answer is can schools take charge of their own destiny in South Africa.
Here is an extract from an old article on the Conversation.com. The article itself revolved around the legality of a possible breakaway by Welsh clubs at the time. What it attempted to make clear is who owns the game of rugby union. It presents a strong case that it is the intellectual property of World Rugby.
SARU is a member of World Rugby. So below the article I included a part of the SARU constitution as well. It defines SARU’s role.
I might be mistaken but from these two bits of information put together, I conclude that if the schools wanted to break away from SARU, by continuing to play rugby, they would be infringing on World Rugby’s intellectual property and could face litigation.
So in order to break away successfully, schools would have to establish a new variant of the game that did not amount to a copyright infringement of sorts. Like Rugby League in relation to Rugby Union or Gaelic Football vs Aussie Rules
Article:
While neither rugby union nor rugby league appear to be trademarks under UK law, the World Rugby is a registered trademark. World Rugby is therefore likely to argue that it owns the brand, and any new competition would face challenges over potential intellectual property issues.
Rugby authorities do not shy away from conflict where their branding is concerned…
What may be more likely is litigation against those clubs or regions that set up any future competition, especially if WR were able to claim that their brand or reputation had suffered as a result. For a breakaway competition, the only way around this would be to establish a new variant of the game, much like the breakaway that led to the founding of Rugby League in 1895, or even, perhaps, to convert to Rugby League.
However this would deprive … rugby players of the chance to play international Rugby Union, the basis of financial success for both clubs and players.
SARU Constitution:
9. MEMBERSHIP OF WORLD RUGBY AND OTHER ORGANISATIONS
9.1 SARU is a member of World Rugby, which is managed and controlled by its council on which, in terms of World Rugby’s by-laws, SARU is entitled to have three (3) representatives.
9.4 SARU’s membership of World Rugby shall be effective as an agreement between it and World Rugby to abide by the laws of the game and World Rugby’s by-laws, rules and regulations and to accept and enforce all World Rugby’s decisions in respect of the playing and administration of rugby throughout the Republic.
@Smallies: Presies, iemand wat betaal word, word nie geforseer nie. Mens moet kan kwantifiseer en kwalifiseer vir so ‘n stelling om sin te maak, anders beteken dit jy bedoel elke skool spandeer presies dieselfde, op presies dieselfde wyse, en sekere skole het net beter spelers van elders omdat ander skole swakker is, oor die hele spektrum van wat skole aanbied.
@boerboel: Hahaha, so mooi as jy sulke skero goedjies kwyt raak,en jou eie punt so vernietig. Koop neteken juis niemand word forseer nie.
Koop=nie forseer
Slawerny=forseer
Maak dit sin?
@beet: This is a great opportunity for the shcools to actually take control of schoolboy rugby away from saru,the top schools is SA is in any case far more proffesional than saru,I would venture as far as to say that our top ten schools have better systems in place than most senior unions WP and the Sharks included….
@Smallies: It gets worse. The end of Feb represented the one chance for boys to earn national colours for Sevens but this year because two divisions within SARU seemingly could not communicate properly with each other, the EPD camp will be held at the same time* as the annual Capricorn sponsored international Sevens tournament in Namibia. I’m not even sure if SA will send a Sevens team to Windhoek this year. Either way preparations have been derailed by poor systems at SARU.
*Remember there are normally 52 weekends in a calendar year.
@beet:
I fully agree with you.
@beet: the biggest joke of this whole comedy show is the fact that SARU is basically broke and without a major Sponser for the CW, the money wasted on this crapshoot could have been used to lighten the load on the parents who will have to pay their son’s way to CW
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There is quota we know but still the EPD programme is a joke . The boys are invited by Saru on gym tests and how many times you can hit a target on a pass ect.
The interesting thing is that of the 5 guys i think deserve it at kwaggas 3 is of colour . For the guy in charge at Saru size of player is still a factor even with backs . If Cheslin and Herscelle has not shown that a wing or a scrumhalf does not have to way 90kg I dont know.
Kwaggas have the best wing in the country here has played against all the best . Was awarded with player of the day after they beat the Sharks at cravenweek but yet cant get an invite . The system is shocking.
@Strepie: Yeah the idea behind it is meant to be talent scouting, so the proportion of successful players to successful teams isn’t necessary going to be a direct one but you do have to wonder how good the team chemistry in teams like Gim and the Kwaggas must be to deliver such a high standard without many noticeably stars. Either the talent ID systems have fallen short a bit or there is massive credit due to the coaching staff and systems these schools have in place.
@Grey Brak: Yeah agreed. One has to wonder about this. Someone mentioned Andre Hugo Venter as one of the best players of the 2019 SBR season yet never invited to the early season camp.
It is possibly a better idea for SARU to focus more intently on the regional camps, using the facilities of the top rugby unions – maybe have Sunday/Monday sessions with the boys. In that way they reach a wider audience at a far reduced cost. Seemingly little things can have a huge influence on motivating certain players to reach new heights. Something that’s said or done at a camp could resonate with a particular player and set him on a new path to one day becoming a Bok one day. Things like that do happen. But the way SARU perform this exercise, the best one can hope for it the many talents who missed out and are of the potential standard high enough to make SA Schools, are motivated by their exclusion to lift their game a notch.
@Gatskop: Omtrent die hele agterlyn van HJS gaan graad 11 wees. Senutergende oomblikke wag op ons stoere Galpil ondersteuners vir 2020.
Duidelik reken hulle nie juis matrieks by Outeniqua, Oakdale en Bois goed genoeg nie. Ek sien 2 matrieks tussen die 3 top skole wat genooi is. Baie interesant.
@beet: Can someone please explain to me how Paarl Gim only have 3 players in this group.
They will either finish no1 or no2 this year..
Matthew Jacobs is a CLASS ACT!
Hoor van hierdie wilde Kwagga span die jaar maar sien geen invitees.Sien Grey,HJS en Gim prominent….
@Smallies: jip niemand geforseer nie-ek se nie dis verkeerd nie-dis n geleentheid
bock en rhoode is nie deur hjs genader nie-andersom
@Beet: Thanks for adding the names. Interesting to think that there are numerous talented players around the country who have not even made this squad.
Hi All. I have added the names of the players invited to attend.
@Djou: Ek verneem al hoe meer kinders speel hokkie, gholf, tennis en sokker op skool. Rugby is taboe onder die jong ouers van vandag.
@BoishaaiPa: dis mos my hele punt,niemand word geforce nie….maar party mense wil nie of kan nie verstaan dat elke liewe r7gby skool werwing doen nie
@Smallies: Hulle het ook uit hulle eie gekom..net soos die Grey ouens.
@boerboel: Jaaaaaa ou teef jy weet ne as jy dood gaan weet jy dit nie ,almal rondom jou weet dit maar nie jy nie ,dit werk die selfde met deur die kak wees
@Strepie: Maar laat weet tog gou gou hoe Evan Roode en Tyler Bocks so sklielik by Boishaai geeindig het verlede jaar
@Strepie: Ja nee hulle kom self,hulle word nir onder dwang of in kettings Bloem toe gesleep nie,en as as Grey vir jou se hulle sien potensiaal in jou dan spits jy jou ore bokke en ek weet nie hoeveel povinsiale spelers ,insluitend n gross by die wp is nogals n pedigree om te he….
@boerboel: @Strepie: Hier is bietjie inligting oor die stand van rugby in Bloem.
Die koshuisliga op universiteit is alles behalwe dood. Verskeie koshuise het 2 jaar terug ophou met rugby. Vishuis wat paar jaar gelede nog Varsity Cup kampioen is kan skaars een span volmaak. Geen wonder Shimlas verloor nou nie.
Dis jammer ‘ en ek wonder hoe lank dit gaan wees voor dit by paar ander universiteite gaan gebeur.
Mens sou dink ‘n rugbyherlewing gaan gebeur na die World Cup, maar dit wys net weer as jy terugsit en dink alles gaan outomaties gebeur, is jy ver verkeerd.
@boerboel: GcB manne kom vanself, soos Serfontein
@Smallies: middag ou maat -wat gaan met die magtige shimlas?
nie lekker opgedraf nie?-
hoor gcb weer wyd aangekoop die jaar?-enige nuus
Ek wonder hoe skolerugby oor 10 jaar gaan lyk.
Craven Week ens.
@Strepie: jip saru op sy beste,hopelik gaan dit nie vir lank aanhou nie aangesien hulle hard besig is om die cravenweek nek om te draai…skole rugby hoort by die skole saru moet ver wegbly van dit af
Completely against this idea.