Grey College against Affies is one of the must watch games if the opportunity presents itself and it has: Saturday, 19h15 on Supersport 1 if you’re not fortune enough to be there live.
The first thing I wanted to do was find out what the weather forecast was for Bloem on Saturday. According to Windguru no rain. Dry conditions underfoot could have a significant impact on the outcome. For Grey it’s a good omen. They are now in a position to play that high tempo game with their locks playing like two extra loose-forwards. If Grey is allowed to play their fast game, it’s players like lock Johan Kriek that invariably start to inflict the most damage because of their ability to keep up with play in support.
Apart from lively hooker Francois Steyn, the real Affies x-factors are in the line in the form of Jurie Linde and Eduard Keyter, so it makes sense for Affies to play an expansive game as well. However after watching the Grey-Monnas match, Affies have to be thinking that bringing pressure up front is the way to go. Also what happens if the match becomes more of a start-stop affair as some games tend to do. With 2.04m lock RG Snyman still looking to find his best form in 2013, there’d be a chance for him to move back into that JD Schickerling bracket right at the very top, with a commanding lineout performance both offensively and defensively.
Giving the contest a bit of a facelift from what viewers got to witness at Wildeklawer is the return of several key players. Notably for Grey, mobile and experienced prop Andrew du Plessis returns from concussion. Andrew isn’t the biggest prop in SBR but one can’t help but feel that he was sorely missed up front in their last game. Expect to see a titanic battle between Andrew and big WP Eloff unfold. On the otherside Grey’s primary ball carrier Ruan Kramer is expected to edge out DP du Plessis in their scrumming duel.
Then in the backrow, the home team welcomes back one of their x-factors Marius Louw. Marius produced an outstanding performance against Boland Landbou at the Kearsney Easter Rugby Festival. His speed around the park and strength in the tackle, set him apart from all other forwards on that first day. For Affies they also see the return of a crucial player at blindside flank. Against Paul Roos, it really looked like Witbulle no.8 Salmon van Huyssteen could have done with someone to take some of the ball carrying attention away from him, as he was clearly a marked man that day. Well big Calvonn Allison is back. He’s exactly the kind of player that will help the visiting team to breach that advantage-line and add to their physicality at the breakdowns.
What about the backs? Well Affies have been blessed with top notch scrummies over the last few years. From Lohan Jacobs to Poerie van Rooyen to Carlo Engelbrecht and even Louis Venter, each one has been a little different from the others, but all have someone managed to grab the attention. Word of mouth is that current scrummy and captain Ivan van Zyl is a player fit to be mentioned in the same sentence as his predecessors. There will be no better time than Saturday to pitch with a bit of BMT and make a long lasting name for himself nationally. The delight brought on by Affies centre Jurie Linde and fullback Eduard Keyter has been touched on and for Grey two backs that have been putting their hands up are the sublime fullback EW Viljoen and Carel Durow who looks so much more at home in the 12-jumper than he did at outside centre. Truthfully Stephen Rautenbach should be added to that mix. He was brilliant at KERF on the left wing and filling in at fullback, but somehow playing at 13 during the games at Wildeklawer, he wasn’t presented with the same kind of chances to show what talent he has to offer. Definitely the match-ups between the two no.13’s and 15’s is going to be a pleasure to watch. Whether you’re hoping to see something Greyt or some Affie-guts or just a neutral it is bound to be an awesome match.
| # | GREY COLLEGE | # | AFFIES |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Andrew du Plessis. | 1 | DP du Plessis. |
| 2 | Martin Wipplinger | 2 | Francois Steyn |
| 3 | Ruan Kramer | 3 | WP Eloff |
| 4 | De Wet Bezuidenhout | 4 | Hanrich Vreken |
| 5 | Andries Kriek | 5 | RG Snyman |
| 6 | Luan Reynders | 6 | Derik Bezuidenhout |
| 7 | Marius Louw (c) | 7 | Calvonn Allison |
| 8 | Reinhard Arndt | 8 | Salmon van Huyssteen |
| 9 | Heinrich Sander | 9 | Ivan van Zyl (c) |
| 10 | Dwayne Wessels | 10 | Dawie Venter |
| 11 | Henry Immelman | 11 | Thys van Wyk |
| 12 | Carel Durow | 12 | Phillip Orffer |
| 13 | Stephen Rautenbach | 13 | Jurie Linde |
| 14 | Theo Ferreira | 14 | Tian Schmullian |
| 15 | EW Viljoen | 15 | Eduan Keyter |
| 16 | Martin van Niekerk | ||
| 17 | Callie Janse van Vuuren | ||
| 18 | Dylan Harlen | ||
| 19 | Johan Venter | ||
| 20 | Dian Badenhorst | ||
| 21 | André Swarts | ||
| 22 | Johan Nel. |
@Djou: If I’m not mistaken, Garsfontein is only 25 years old. They have 900+ boys in their school and they are obviously still growing.
The problem with the schools in the Northern suburbs of Cape Town is that many good rugby players that attend primary schools, go to Paul Roos, Paarl Gym, Paarl Boys’, Boland Landbou etc.
This year Stellenberg managed to retain quite a few boys of Eversdal and Gene Louw Primary Schools (their traditional feeder schools). Therefore they have quite a good U/14 team this year. Unfortunately many dads feel that their boys’ rugby can only progress in the big rugby schools. I know it’s true to a certain extent but as long as they send their boys away, the “local” rugby teams will battle to compete against the top rugby schools.
@Djou: very true. I think in most cases it is a positive, spreading the talent and increasing the competition. Also giving more kids a platform to perform against quality oppositition. A boy playing B or C team in a big school years ago, may now play 1st team in another school as the number of quality rugby schools are so much more these days. Thus, instead of kids playing quality opposition 3-4 times a year, they now play a quality school every weekend. In my opinion, it is evident that more and more schools are creeping closer to becoming a “top10” side and the reason for that is purely due to wonderfull easter festivals and the Wildeklawer each year. A few years ago, traditonally smaller rugby schools such as Noord-kaap and kwaggas for instance, only played top schools once or twice a year, but these days there is a platform for these kids to compete against top sides 6-7 times a year. Another reason in my opinion, is the sport becoming profesional a few years ago and more kids chasing a future in rugby.
@BuffelsCM: sjoe, those are some big kids, hey. Interesting to note that at that early age groups, the biggest and strongest kids usually play in the positions where they have the biggest influence on the game i.e. prop, 8th man, flyhalf, centre and able to score the most tries. In New Zealand for instance, kids in the younger age groups play in weight categories, thereby neutralising the advantage in size and forcing kids to beat each other using skill and speed.
Back in SA, with the sport being so extremely profesional, players are better conditioned from a younger age and easily weigh in 5-10 kgs than years ago. Interesting, though, due to genetic selection (science years at varsity), the size of the average human being also increases with each generation, with the difference in size being significantly visible every 20-30 years. If you have a look at the average height and weight of the 1906/7, 1931/2, 1970 And 2007 Springbok teams for instance, you’ll see a gradual increase in the average size of the players. In the early 1900’s, for instance, the average height of the locks were 1.85’eish and today the Andries Bekkers and Etzebeth’s measure well above 2.00 m. Wonder what the Springbok locks of the new millenium will look like.
@BuffelsCM: You are making quite a number of interesting observations re SBR. Although I am a Grey and Cheetahs supporter I live and work in Pretoria now. Quite a number of other observations I made (used to be a freelance sports journalist also covering SBR) re teams in Pretoria/JHB whilst touring the different schools include the following:
It is natural that other teams will start catching up with powerhouses such as Affies and Waterkloof. For instance, in the past players living next to Garsfontein went to Affies, Waterkloof and Menlopark feeding those schools as Garsfontein was not considered a rugby school and also the only school not providing bursaries. With Garsfontein now awarding bursaries and keeping those players, and reinforcing them with boys in the hostel, it is no more free reign for Affies, Waterkloof and Menlopark. With one additional school to choose from, naturally it will affect the strength of Affies, Waterkloof and Menlopark in the future. I am sure the same might happen in for instance the Cape. Stellenberg is starting to invest in their rugby and it might affect the strength of other schools in the vicinity. The same thing happened in Natal with Glenwood investing in schools rugby affecting the strength of other Natal schools. I think this is a good thing as the more the spread of talent, the tougher the opposition and more even games. In addition, it should increase the number of schools of strength and can develop features such as determinitation etc. among the boys.
@jakkie: Eerstens, dankie dat jy manmoedig genoeg was om te erken dat die “he he he” n siniese laggie was in reaksie op wat ek gese het. Jy hou vol daarmee dat ek die Grey span ophemel, en wanneer ek daarop reageer of bewyse daarvoor vra, ignoreer jy dit. Wat ek probeer doen, is om perspektief te handhaaf en om skolerugby realisties te evalueer. Ek het telkemale ontken dat ek n slegte verloorder is, maar wanneer oordrewe stellings gemaak word, soos jy nou weer-eens met die term, “loesing” doen, kan dit sekerlik nie onbeantwoord bly nie. Twee en ses punte nederlaag verteenwoordig allermins n “loesing”. Wat die wedstryde en my kommentaar betref, is ek nie net aangewese op my opinie nie- ek het dit o.a baseer op wat Beet geskryf het, wat jy terloops gekomplimenteer het. Geskiedenis het beslis n plek in sport, sekerlik in rugby. Dit is terloops wat gebruik word om “ranglyste” te bepaal, die waaraan jy so intensief deelneem. Dit is ook toevallig die sterkste aanwyser van wat in die onmiddellike toekoms gaan gebeur. Wat die huidige span van Grey betref, natuurlik ondersteun ek dit en sal daarmee voortgaan tot my dood, ongeag hoe sterk of hoe swak die span mag wees. Dit beteken egter nie dat ek die bestaande of enige span in n bepaalde jaar, nie met vorige spanne kan vergelyk nie en my opinie is dat daar n 20 “punteverskil” is tussen vanjaar se span en die een van 2011. Wanneer ek praat van die “vlak” van Outeniqua en Affies, was dit eintlok n kompliment, maw vanjaar, n hoer vlak. Maar soos dikwels vantevore, sien jy daarin weer beledigings en arrogansie van my kant. Lees maar in die toekoms, n ding twee maal voordat jy losbrand met aantygings en verkeerde afleidings. En daarmee volstaan ek wat dit betref.
@jakkie: Speaking about size: a guy that used to coach with me, played in the 1974 or ’75 Craven Week. He still have the brochure with all the stats of the players. Only 4 players weighed more than 100kg – Flip v d Merwe being one of them.
This year at the Kwagga Rugby Week in George for U/14 and U/15 players, I had a look at the stats of the boys taking part – and not all the teams’ stats were even listed – 13 or 14 of the boys were heavier than 100 kg! The one prop of the U/14 Grey Bloem side weighed 113 or 114kg.
I coach an U/15 team. We played against a lock of 1.96 m (and 104 kg) on the first day of the tournament.
@beet: yes, that is very true. For me itis a sign of good coaching and also good captaincy. Especially in certain situations in the game where a lineout steal would be fatal, rather opt for a safe, but less impressive secure at the front, which is more important I’d say.
@BuffelsCM: that is an excellent point and an interesting topic. I see that every year with the kids in Gr.8, the bigger kids are usually the ones scoring the tries and on which the rest of the team depend on the most. Only few of the u13 Craven week kids make it to u18 Craven week, as many are only bigger and stronger than their opponents at age 13. However, as the size even out, to beat your direct opponent of similar weight and height, you also require speed and skill, with the latter, for me the most important and where the importance of a good coach comes in. Some guys are just blessed with a natural ball-sporting talent, but for some individuals, good hand-eye coordination and skills don’t come naturally and thus require harder work and self discipline from the individual. Many of the young players depend too much on their weight or height advantage and as other smaller kids start developing physically, they neutralise the physical aspect. I also found that smaller kids find ways to apply their strength and body weight better in certain situations as they have to compete against bigger and stronger kids at young age groups. A good coach will focus on developing skills of small and big kids, as well as maintaining and developing natural talents, as well as take the time to motivate the less naturally talent kid to develop their skills.
@jakkie: Yes I would have liked to have seen more diversity from the Kwaggas lineout that day but even so I think the Kwaggas lineout tactic of quick throw to no.1 as a means to win their own ball was really put into perspective for those who were at Wildeklawer and watched the Paul Roos vs Maritzburg College game. Even with Zandberg, the Kwaggas did not try to flog a dead horse and simply give Gim valuable ball, they adapted and found ways to retain possession. Against PRG, College conceded many own lineouts and did not try to do enough out of the box things to try change that turnover pattern. So full marks to Outeniqua for at least making an attempt.
@jakkie: mooi gestel . Hulle ken nie rugby nie.moet nog leer al klink hulle baie oud. Lol.
@Grey Brak:Hi there, I coach at a relatively small school ( not a big rugby school – if you take into consideration how many boys actually play rugby: no provincial players etc). I agree re your comments about the effort put into the younger teams. Often you’ll find that boys who are quite big at primary school don’t stay that way (the other guys catch up with them after a few years) and initially the coach(es) use their size to their advantage. This often means that the big boys don’t develop their skills etc. The bottom line is that you need to develop all the boys’ skills, irrespective of their size or lack of it. At the end of a couple of years’ practice, they should come through and reap the rewards. Just my 2 cents as a coach of young “ordinary” boys with huge enthusiasm!!
@BOG: die “haha” is nie daar getik a.g.v. ‘n afwesigheid aan ‘n antwoord nie, ek verstaan nie lekker wat jy daarmee bedoel nie – waar is die vraag wat jy my gevra het? Jy kon my mos nou mar net uitgelos het. Maar nouja, laat ek dan maar weer met jou redekawel. ai ai. Die “haha” is wel daar vir drie redes: 1.) toe ek jou kommentaar hierbo lees het ek lekker uit my maag gelag, want die kommentaar word al vir my kenmerkend van Bog. Dit is vir my baie duidelik dat jy dink vanjaar se Grey span onderpresteer – jy’t dit baie mooi bewys met jou stelling dat hulle met 20 punte van 2011 se span verskil en ook toe jy gese het dat Grey die jaar op kwaggas en Affies se “Vlak” kompiteer (arrogant, na my mening). Tog, elke week voor ‘n groot game, wil jy jou “onderpresterende span” se vermoe ophemel met historiese feite tot so ver terug as 1973, maar ook so onlangs as 2011 en segoed soos die “Grey-familie” en “Grey-gutts”, maar jy bly die opsigtelike vermei. Soos ons jou elke week vertel, tel die geskiedenis op die dag zero as jy teen opponerende span kwaliteit spelers en afrigting te staan kom, met “affie” of “kwagga” gutts. Dan wil jy na ‘n loesing weereens probeer kompenseer vir jou span se verloor met stellings soos “could have gone either way”. Maar ou Bog, om ‘n resultaat te kry en omdat een span sekerre dinge doen of nie doen nie, gaan die game net een “way” en op twee wedstryde al hierdie jaar het dit nie julle ” way” gegaan, nie. Jy is ‘n swak verloorder, maar tog gaan ek nie toelaat dat jy my goeie opinie en respek vir die skool Grey beinvloed nie. 2.) Jy het nie die game gekyk nie, maar verskil tog van Tjoppa oor sy opinies oor die wedstryd? 3.) Ek was nie lus om iets lank te tik nie, wou maar net aandui dat ek julle gesprek gevolg het en dat jy vir my snaaks was.
Om te dink die ander spanne in SA is nie besig om op te vang met Grey nie, is arrogant en blind. kyk na julle resultate die laaste twee jaar. ek dink ook Paarl gim sal julle die jaar ‘n loesing gee en garsfontein sal julle wen.
@Klofie Pa: vlieg ou meisie .jou commin taal wys jy maar net n pissie .kry n lewe.
What an awesome day of inter schools with Affies. It’s always nice playing against Affies and the matches are hard fought throughout.
Grey’s rugby teams had won 18 of the 28 matches. u/14s won 2/6. u/15s won 3/6. u16s won 4/6 and the u/19s won 9/10. This is indicative of how the talent of the boys develop over their 5 year period in school. Many teams lose quite a few matches during their u/14 year and these losses become less and less over time. Credit must thus be given to all the hard working coaches at Grey and especially those at the lower age groups.
@jakkie: “Ha ha ha” word gewoonlik gebruik in die afwesigheid van n sinvolle antwoord. Ek weet dis bloot spekulasie, maar ek dink dat daar ten minste n twintig punt verskil is tussen Grey 2011 en vanjaar. En vanjaar se span, soos jy sekerlik weet, het nog nie met 20 punte verloor nie- eintlik maar net 2 en 6 gister. Wat is dus vir jou onduidelik?
@beet: good example supporting your point on lineouts is Paarl Gim’s display against Kwaggas, although Kwaggas’ Zandberg is also not a short guy, only the thought of a 2.03 m lock opposing you at lineout time, had Kwaggas change their approach of securing ball and thus also attacking – disrupting the potent backline, which is the corner stone of Kwaggas’ success.
Hahaha. Classic Bog!
@Tjoppa: I disagree with most of what you say. It would appear that Grey gave away, listening to Beet and others, as much as what Affies DID. And from what I have seen so far from other sides this year, none have even reached the level of the 2011 Grey side. And apart from two exceptional players, it was not an outstanding side. If a “weaker” Grey side can compete with Affies and Outeniqua at their “level”, its a reason for concern overall. Yesterdays match, as the one in PMB, could have gone either way.And by saying that , for goodness sake, Im taking nothing away from those teams.
@Woltrui: Just relaying a message from a respected member of the rugby fraternity here in Bulls country. But they are really trying and according to me the right way. Jacking up infra structure and coaching. Apparently a big drive in recruiting new gr 8’s for next year. But still the respected way. No funding just selling their new attitude and infra structure.
@Tjoppa: Tjop I’ve watched Garsies and PBHS. Garsies is a much better side. Garsies got a top notch and well coached pack. Physical strong. One of the best SBR backlines in business. PBHS has a competitive pack. Not in the same league.
Interesting fact was that the Garsies pack put the Jansies pack under a lot of pressure on Saturday.
@Woltrui: Woltrui just as an early warning to Affies, it is said that Pretoria Boys High is the most underrated team in South Africa and according to this Afrikaans speaking person they would klap Garsfontein. Big words, apparently they are quietly turning into a professional outfit. Do not say I did not warn Affies and the like.
@Woltrui: Die manier wat Affies speel sal ek elke game bang wees. Maar hul resultate is daar.
@BOG: All I said Bog, and with respect, Grey was beaten by a side who’s game plan is to have no game plan. They have 3 maybe four game breakers and win usually because of individual moments of brilliance, some “Beet” might call it luck. A “weak” KES side showed South Africa how to beat AFFIES. Nobody listened.
Affies at no stage was in danger loosing the game. Everytime Grey scored Affies replied. Affies was in control the whole game. Whether it was luck or brilliance Grey never looked like winning. That explains for the first time in 16 years watching Grey they made mistakes, which cost them, panicking.
As I said before the pack is catching. And I mean all the leading schools like Grey Affies Boishaai and Gym is under threat. A school like Garsfontein will be up there within 4-5 years. Kwaggas according to me almost there as is Waterkloof.
But I agree with some comments here. Grey seems to be struggling with decent locks. They need some “2 metre” bursaries. Just hope there are a few “heaven brooms” in the pipeline. You may recall that after the first group was announced, I jokingly suggested that they could always use their wings, both 1,9 mtrs + as locks. The same problem seems endemic in the FS/Cheetahs. We need 2 mtr , sub 11 second/100 mtr players.
@beet: Im going to give it a miss. I dont think anyone here, has tried to make out that Grey has a fantastic side, as Tjoppa suggested. Last year, it was expected, but most, was hoping for an improvement this year. Looking at the scores overall, particularly of the Cherries. it appears to be the case.But that does not mean that the Grey family will not stand by their team. But on the other hand, as Naas would say,to think that other schools have caught up with Grey, is an illusion. I rather think that Grey, since last year, has not been at the same level as in previous years. And that is a reason to be concerned for SBR. Because a weaker Grey is STILL competitive and loose matches which could have gone either way. And to say and think that Grey was CONVINCINGLY beaten, is fooling oneself.
@Tjoppa: Ek is n bang gat Tjop. Bang ek roep Affies dan tjinx Kloof ons dalk.
Hoop die ranglyste gee krediet aan die 3 onoorwonne spanne.
@BOG: Please do yourself a favour and watch this game. It is a great advert for school rugby. It’s a throw back to the 80’s and before when there were neat line that divided the roles of forwards from backs on attack. Lots of clean ball was made available by both teams forwards and the backs used the width. Some good passing and players running onto the ball and skills shown. Flowing rugby.
So often we see the need for a senior pro to use a slightly forward pass to put a fellow player in space at senior rugby level simply because there are no other gaps available in defence dominated structures. Even when the Affies flyhalf was drifting diagonally and looking to make linebreaking offloads, none of his passes went forward. The game was a pleasure to watch. At least if people still watch school rugby along with senior rugby they get to enjoy a balanced experience.
@Woltrui: Definitely. And when a team can’t use the lineout as the starting point of an attack like they practiced on the training ground it severely impacts their rhythm and knocks their confidence. Also means that they lose the option to kick out and go for attacking lineouts from penalties won. It was one thing for Affies to have the players to trouble the Grey lineout but the fact that they executed an intended plan to cause distruption as said by Sakkie afterwards, deserves praise.
About 5 or 6 years back I read a Grey report about the difficulty for tall locks to succeed at school level and yet in the Noordvaal, even in the W/Cape we are seeing these tall boys not only doing the job in the setpiece but making valuable contributions in open play as well. Once upon a time the Aussies believed that scrumming wasn’t a big deal and prop development took a backseat much to the national teams disadvantage on the international stage. I just wonder if Grey perhaps got themselves into an Aussie prop mold of thinking wrt the tall lock issue – instead opting for flanks at lock which usually suit their style of play. Now they are paying the price in the lineout. Just a thought.
@Woltrui: All that I want them to accept that this is the way Affies has won all their games. All my critique aside this is the recipe Affies follows. And they win. As much as I would like to see a definite game plan involving WP and RG and the other forwards, they must be of the biggest in SBR, this is how they play and this is how they win. Don’t like it but love the winning especially Saturday’s. Who to your opinion should be no 1. The unpredictable Affies or, just my opinion, Gym who is in a downward spiral since Kwaggas.
@beet: Stem saam jou opsomming van die wedstryd Beet. n Belangrike aspek wat die wedstryd egter in Affies se guns geswaai het was die wyse waarop Affies die Grey lynstane ontwrig het. In die eerste minuut van die wedstryd het Grey seker 15 m ver “gemaul”. Affies het die lynstane daarna aangeval en die aanvals platform van Grey ontneem.
Krediet moet ook aan aan die afrigters wat die probleme by die losskrums opgelos het.
Interesant dat Grey sukkel in die lynstane. Die derde jaar agtervolgens wat Affies hulle lynstane domineer.
@BOG: Not pinning my hope on anybody. Just can not wait for next year.
@beet: But I warned Grey for how many weeks already. Give credit where it is due. Affies convincingly beat Grey. That is how it is. We all can get decisions that did not go the right way and look for mistakes. Grey is not as good as everyone wants to make them. They simply are just an above average team with a lot of shortcomings. Please accept that.
@beet: Thanks for your report As I said, I refused to watch the game. I rather read a book. Going by what you said, it would seem like one “of those years” I said the other day- they (GCB) can win every match, but no match is a certainty. What separates great (lucky ??) sides from good ones, is avoiding errors in crucial situations- ones you mentioned. I notice that all of Greys U 19 sides won handsomely, the Cherries 47-0 and when that happens, there are bound to be questions about team selections and coaches, as we are seeing. If Tjoppa is representative of Affie support, it would seem that they have their hope pinned on their U16 side which won 17-16
@Tjoppa: Not undermining the Affies effort Tjoppa. Read my post again. Both teams move the ball through the hands nicely. The 3 key moments which hurt Grey College badly were:
Jorrie Linde’s first try was not a try, he lost control of the ball but the effort desired 5-points.
Just before halftime De Wet Bezuidenhout fails to control a very good high kickoff – knock-on – Frans Steyn pounces and runs in for a soft try.
2nd half and replacement flyhalf Swarts seems like he tries to change from right to left boot for a clearance kick, which affords Frans Steyn the time to get a charge down and Ivan vZ follows up the favourable bounce to dive on the ball and score.
So no try, soft try, lucky bounce = 19 points
Not disputing that Affies were good on the day. They played a very entertaining brand of rugga but IMHO opportunity was there for Grey too. Anyway it’s on the scoreboard and in the history books now.
Also throught late on Jorie Linde brilliant on the day gets freed up to run into space thanks mainly to an outstanding hands thru the tackle pass by RG Snyman to Keyter to Linde – all 3 Grey cross cover defenders panic and race to cover the touchline outside angle even with very little space for Linde to work in – so he sort of skip cuts inside with fantastic pace injection to follow and wrong foots all 3 Grey defenders in the process before going in for the try. Jorie is an outstanding attacker. I loved the way Affies use him very wide – like a wing. Grey defenders should have done better to stop that try tho.
EW Viljoen sensational.
Unsung hero was the Affies flyhalf Venter. Put runners into space with well timed delayed passes and made a good cross cover tackle as well.
@BOG: Sien julle onder 16’s ook verloor mag dit dalk 3 jaar word. The times are changing. Miskien gaan my woorde ook eendag GESKIEDENIS word ne Bog.
@jakkie: Lions winning Vodacom Cup
@beet: Beet now don’t start your nonsense. Affies completely controlled the game. Never a moments doubt who will win this. Give credit where it is due. Affies should have won by at least 20 points.
After the game I just saw of Gym I do begin to wonder if Affies might just be no 1. But that will be decided in George in a few weeks time.
Looks like rugby is happening in Pretoria this year, Bulls topping conference, Tuks winning Varsity Cup, schoolboy rugby lookng healthy: Affies, Garsfontein, Waterkloof, Centurion, Menlopark, Pretoria Boys.
Grey College vs Affies. What an awesome game of rugby. Affies took their chances well and got the rewards but in truth I think it was a day on which either side could have won it.
@Klofie Pa: jis hy speel lekker. Ek hoop ons sien nog baie van hom, ek hou van sulke hakers. Ai my ou maat, wat het met kloof aangegaan vandag?
@jakkie: Steyntjie het n bitter goeie game gehad!! ek rate hom nog altyd bo Roodt vir CW!!
@wakker akker: commin akker commin die is djy!!
los nou maar asb. die papsak!! raak laat!!
Baie geluk aan die Affies manne, dit wil gedoen wees. Afiies definitief stem dikgemaak vandag en dit sit Kwaggas se wen teen Grey in perspektief, dat Affies, as hulle die dag aan is, Kwaggas kan laat krummel. Baie geluk ook aan Gim, dis leeuwereld op Markotter, so welgedaan. Lyk vir my 1 Gim 2 Affies 3 kwaggas. Ek kon nie game kyk, maar hoe was Affies se Steyn op haker? Jis ek like daai mannetjie!
@Klofie Pa: Nie my skuld jou span vaar so sleg nie./ Jou taal Klofie jou taal.Ondersoek vorige kommentaar van mense dan rek jy jou bek weer
@Klofie Pa: Ek glo nie in telepatie nie, maar weer het ons op presies dieselfde tyd “gepost” Laat weet my jou geboortedatum en plek- ek begin wonder of jy nie n verlore tweeling is nie. Met die pyn wat ek nou verduur, sal hy nie daardie woorde in my gesig herhaal nie. Ek weet ook nie van wakker kakker nie- ek noem hom sommer net Kakker for short. Die uitsending om 19:15 op SS1, is terloops gekanselleer. Goeie nag
@Klofie Pa: No disrespect to Wakker Akker, but I agree with you on his comments. He should consider adding a K before the akker part!
I can’t believe Kloof lost against NK – maybe the travelling played a role, don’t know but under normal circumstances Kloof should be able to beat NK by a good margin.
@Woltrui: @Tjoppa: Ek het myself heeltemal blind gekyk teen die GESKIEDENIS en die TENDENS gemis, nl. dat elke tien jaar wen Affies twee agtereenvolgende jare en dan vir 10 jaar, weer niks. Die skrif was teen die muur en so duidelik soos daglig . Aan die verloor vd Bokke en die Cheetahs het ek al gwoond geraak, maar ek het erge pyn. Ek weier om dit op TV te aanskou en gaan eerder my boek oor Die Boereoorlog klaarmaak. Ek wonder steeds of mense nie maar net my been trek of dit n nagmerrie is nie. Nog steeds, dit pyn verskriklik–
@BOG: Boggie eks seker die laaste mens wat iets moet se na ons vernederende nederlaag teen NK, maar f@k daai aanmerking deur daai poepol Wakker Akker is heeltemaal nie aan nie.
Show some respect jou dom bliksem!! Jou skool wens hulle sal oor 100jr dalk in die liga van Grey wees!! Los die papsak!!
Geluk aan die Affie spelers en afrigters. Ek vir een het julle baie gekritiseer die seisoen. Julle het my egter deeglik verkeerd bewys. Om n kampioen span soos Grey Bloem in Bloem te wen verg n spesiale groep. Baie baie geluk. Ons hier in Pretoria is so trots op julle
@Woltrui: Nou om nederig te bly. Ag k$k daarmee. He he he he he he he he he he he he he.
@BOG: Dankie Bog. Na al die gekskeur deur die week moet ek tog bieg dat Grey Bloem steeds die beste rugby skool in die land is. “By a country mile”.
@wakker akker: Ek het met nederigheid hierheen gekom, maar nou sien ek jou “kommin- taar” Mag Gim julle weer pak gee. Geluk aan Affies. Onverwags, maar dit was nie n goeie rugbynaweek nie. Sal maar onderwaterhokkie kyk vir die res vd jaar. Soos iemand opgemerk het, moes die Cherries miskien maar die hoofwedstryd gespeel het. Maar verloor hou veral jong mense nederig en is dikwels meer opvoedkundig as wen. Maar beslis nie vir my nie- ek het klaar my lesse in nederigheid gehad Weer eens, geluk aan Affies
@BOG: Jou fantastiese span .HAha
@BOG: Ek ook net grappie gemaak.Ons Kwaggas is definitief een van die beter spanne hierdie jaar.Ons hoop om Paarl Gym nog later die jaar in die Burger trofee te speel.Om te dink vier driee teen twee teen die magtige Grey.Sterkte teen Affies.
@wakker akker: Moenie alles so ernstig opneem nie. Ek het bloot in geval by die gesprek bokant my. Ek het nie n idee wie die ref was of hoe hy of sy geblaas het nie. Beter? Maar vir die rekord- hulle se die klompie in die SWD, is onoorwinlik?
@BOG: Ja,en u15 en u14 seker BLOEM refs
n Verassing!! O 16 Grey 16 Affies 17 Beslis n Pretoria ref
@Tjoppa: @Klofie Pa: Moet Pretoria refs wees- dit verklaar die lae Grey tellings
@Tjoppa: @BOG: sien EW gaan WP toe volgende jaar.
QI spook wat loop Tjop?
@Klofie Pa: Wie is die refs
Dit was nou “telepatie”- presies dieselfde tyd, maar dankie in ieder geval.
U 14 Grey 13; Affies 3
U 15 Grey 31; Affies 17
@BOG: net vir jou Boggie
@GreyKollege: #GreyRugby u14A Results:
GREY COLLEGE 13 vs AFFIES 3 Full-time
@GreyKollege: #GreyRugby u15A Results:
GREY COLLEGE 31 vs AFFIES 17 Full-time
@gimmie: The FS refs become international refs- the ones in the WC join the QI academy- and remain with school rugby.
@jakkie, big day for us today, visiting Markotter stadium. I am curious to see whether the Gym team can keep up the intensity after the big games against Kwaggas and Waterkloof. The big question is whether Paul Roos can secure enough quality ball for their talented backs. The du Plessis – Oosthuisen dual is going to be fascinating. It is also going to be interesting to see what tactics Paul Roos deploy to disrupt the Gym machine. Both teams were at both KERF and WK so their will be no secrets. Anything is possible in rugby on the day, but I expect us to win by at least 15. As for Grey – Affies, it will be a real humdinger. From what I have seen Affies have the better individuals but Grey the better team. home ground advantage will be crucial. Fortunately the fact that the match will be televised negates the impact a ref will have on the result. It also eliminates the possibility of @BOG reffing the game! Good luck to both teams. I think it will be Grey by 10. Big game for Boishaai against Wynberg. They should get their season back on track. The southern suburbs teams tend to under perform when visiting boerewereld…Boishaai by 12.
@BOG: I agree . Grey to win with at least 7 points !
Sterkte aan albei spanne!! dink dit gaan n eensydige cracker wees!!
@jakkie: Naandse Jakkie. Spesiale tjortsie vir julle Kwagga manne daar in outenikwa.
@Tjoppa: Ek sit en wonder of jy onderweg is na Bloemfontein en of hulle vir jou plek sal he in die Royal Hotel langs die stasie en nou lewer jy kommentaar. Verder het ek gewonder of hulle jou met daardie 3 liter Ford- die een met die plastiese lemoen op die aeriel, lemmetjie-kleur fur op die dashboard en die hondjie in die agterruit wat se kop met die beweging vd kar draai- by Grey se gronde sal inlaat more? Vanaand is kultuuraand en ek het regtig gedink dat dit tot voordeel van jou kan wees vir n bietjie verfyndheid.@Woltrui: Nee wat, Grey se gevegsvermoens is op par met hulle rugbyvermoens. Dit beteken dat die Grey span 7 houe ingekry het vir elke 3 van Affies. Ek het ook nou net die boek “Die Boereoorlog” van Thomas Pakenham gelees- al 500 blaaie plus. En ek weet wie die helde was- Christiaan de Wet Steyn(OG). Dit was die vegters. Die wat tans oor die Vaal woon, het almal eers in Vereeniging oorgestop- om te hensop! Julle het nou regtig die geleentheid verpil om goeie rugby te sie- skool en S 15. Julle is seker uitgehonger daarvoor.
@BOG: naandse manne! bog my vriend, sien jy uit na more? @woltrui en jy? @tjoppa hoe ver gaan watter span wen? Jis ek sien sommer uit! Kwaggas eerste span bietjie af die naweek, die manne kyk seker more aand die game in Dekke in Groot-brak! Pragtige aand hier, sien uit na die Cheetah game! @gimmie en @boishaaipa en julle daar in die kaap? Die manne reg vir die rugby? Geniet dit mannea,
@Ploegskaar: Die wedstryd bepaal die republieke se Tjampion! Watwou 3 de en 4 de plek. 8)
Selde het ‘n uitspeelwedstryd vir derde en vierde plek seker al soveel aftrek gekry.
@Tjoppa: Tjop enige stories van Bog en ons reel dat die krag van 9h00 tot 11h00 vanaand in Bloem afgesit word.
@Tjoppa: Jy is reg Tjop. Die Noordvaal bloggers unie moet bietjie stem begin dik maak. ‘n Paar sanksies hier en daar sal die manne daar suid van die rivier (die Vaal rivier Bog) net laat wakker skrik.
@BOG: Ons komitee in die noorde het besluit ons gaan julle vier punte vir ‘n strafkop gee, om te help sien. En ja die fight is deur die Boere gewen.
@BOG: Bog ek het op goeie gesag verneem dat julle die 1974 “fight ” aspris begin het sodat jul vir die volgende 18 jaar nie teen ons hoef te gespeel het nie. As jy die 18 jaar by ons stat sit is dit eintlik net 27-22 vir Grey. Skynbaar het julle die “fight “ook verloor?
@Woltrui: Met groot nederigheid vra ek verskoning. Ek moes jou terugkry vir daardie skewe krieket stats wat jy hier uitgeblaker het. Die korrekte stats is Gespeel : 36, Grey 27 Affies 4 (VIER !!!) en Gelykop 5 Punte vir Grey 757 en Affies 381 Gemiddelde telling tgv GCB is 21- 11 Verduidelik asb vir Tjop dat n span nie eers met n wonderwerk 4 punte in n wedstryd kan he nie. Daar bestaan nie hier genoeg spasie daarvoor nie.
I think Carel Durow is gonna be huge, been very impressed with him.
@Woltrui: Hy praat van Affies se wentelling more. Los die oubaas uit.
@BOG: Sak Sarel. Volgens my is die 34-4 van jou heeltemal verkeerd. Eerder 27-4. Elke keer as jy blog raak die getal groter
@beet: Looking back over the years, and the count of 34 -4 since 1953, it would appear to me that the advantage Grey has had, was the quality of their players. They play within the rules of the game and dont need “gimmicks” to win matches. As the HISTORY clearly shows, this goes back long before the squad system was introduced.
@beet: According to me Affies never used this system and it will be 2nd team players on the bench for Affies. But Grey will use any advantage they can get. Interesting is a squad system allowed in SBR. Will find out.
More interesting just received info that the school way of binding in scrums will from 2014 be implemented all over. What a joke. Taking out one of the most intriguing phases of rugby. What next.
@Tjoppa: Grey will definitelty be using a squad system, what about Affies?
@Ooorkant Loftus: We all are worried. Especially me who is and was very critical of the type of rugby Affies is playing. But admit it no hope in hell. Go Affies.
@Tjoppa
I like the way you think.
But personally i think it will be closer.
Grey is a good side this year again.
When they play us they have never almost had a bad game.
We tend to get rattled @ sometimes. And that is what worries me.
Personally so far this season i have not seen us play a full 70 min game.
Line outs we are simply under achieving and place kicking also not good.
That can bite us in tomorrows game.
I look forward to this game and are a bit worried.
Predicting.
@Tjoppa: Praying or asking?
@Woltrui: Affies by 22
Brilliant article. Very informative and accurate. Tough assignment for Affies.
@Queenian: Did you not mean a “fight” gane?
@BOG: The JJS boys will win this by a country mile these boys are hard and even if it is a tight game the know “how to get out of jail”
GCB by 15
Just my opinion, Grey have more structure and are willing to mix it up front. They are extremely well coached with plenty of alternative plans/options so can adapt. Affies are very one dimensional, if the don’t win the collisions they not sure what to do. This might be controversial but I see Grey taking this, just!
As they say, “When the occasion demands it, a Grey boy will come up to scratch every time!” VIVE LA GREY !!!
The only way Grey can win this is make the game slow and do not give Affies one cm to move in. Affies will not commit to the hard physical game. They do not like it. All the forwards except no 6 not willing to put their bodies on line. BUT given the ball in broken play they will tear you into pieces. All players do have ball and speed from 1 – 15. Keyter and vd Linde known as try scoring giants. Go Affies and I mean the right Affies otherwise …….