Content from DHS website:
Durban High School announced that five of its learners have been selected for the South African Rugby Union (SARU) U16 Training Camp which will take place in Paarl in October.
In total SARU selected eight players from KZN, which consists of five from DHS, that of, Kamvelihle Fatyela, Phendulani Buthelezi, Sanele Nohamba, Sean Barnes and Cham Zondeki, who have all proved that hard work pays off, as they have been training consistently throughout the year under the supervision and guidance of Mr. Scott Mathie, DHS Rugby Coordinator and former Sharks player. The other three players are Dylan Richardson (Kearsney College), JJ van der Mescht (Glenwood High School) and Fez Mbatha (Maritzburg College) respectively.
“We have put in some hard work in creating a high performance environment for our rugby players and these boys are starting to see the benefits of this program. We are only at the beginning of this process which makes me excited for the future of DHS rugby. We are constantly working on new ideas and are striving to make DHS the best environment for a young man to maximise his potential both on and off the sports field,” commented Mr. Scott Mathie (DHS Rugby Coordinator).
The training camp will provide skills and development training across a broad range of categories including that of medical and dietary assessments; conditioning assessments and coaching; fundamental and positional rugby skills assessments and coaching; training and education on relevant rugby topics.
@Die Ken: Van Niekerk was die Akademie week 8steman en kaptein maar speel vir Monnas slot en flank. Hy het eintlik meer games 8steman by die Leeus gespeel as in sy 3 jaar by Monnas.
@greybearded: Cristen van Niekerk 4/5
If I my say. Glenwood under 16 A only lost 1 game with 1 point the whole year and it includes Grey and Affies. Yet only one player gets the call? However, the interesting fact is that the boys don’t even know who was chosen. They just concentrate on their next big challenge – Japan 2016. We will debate it and they will just play the game. Good luck to all.
@Gungets Tuft:
Ja no fair enough…context is everything. The word itself means no harm. Though some have expressed that it offends them. So in keeping up with the spirit of this blog, we would in future rather use the longer “abantu abamhlophe” – eish…just now someone gets offended by being called a ‘bantu’. 
Now, for a rugby conversation to restart…let me go see what the Wildeklawer thread has to offer.
@Playa: It’s all context, tone of voice and body language. I could say “Jeez but you’re a clever b#st#rd” and you might have a laugh and buy me a beer, or if I said it another way, another situation and you will beat me like a ginger step-child. So, greet me with a “Oy, mlungu, wosa madala” and buy me a beer, I’m cool … “but a hey, mlungu, what’s your story … “, you’ve ruined a friendship.
And that’s just an illustration, call me madala and see the trouble start ..
The word umlungu comes from ‘ilungu’ a Nguni word meaning ‘wave’. The Ngunis called white people ‘abelungu’ which directly translated means ‘people who came with the wave’ – a description of how they landed up in Africa…by sea.
I never knew it was offensive, and I certainly have never used it to insult anyone, nor have I come across someone who has used it in a derogatory manner.
On the flip side – one can argue that a k….r is what was referred to as a non-believer. Which is technically correct as black people were not Christians before being colonised. It does not hold true now. QC86 did not land here by sea, he was born her, so maybe umlungu does not apply to him and therefore offensive. But we cannot compare the two as one was used to intentionally hurt, and the other just ‘lost its flavour with the time’ if I can put it that way. But I guess we have to respect those who feel offended.
@GreenBlooded: please read CapeMan’s comment above, then re-evaluate your comment.
@Umtata:
The white foam (scum) that washes up on the beach after a storm. Not derogatory at all.
Like I said – I don’t give a toss what people call me. No inferiority complex.
@Umtata: I was called it for years, it’s not derogatory at all and I never said it was.
@QC86: the word is not derogatory please stop saying that. It’s not.
@BrotherBear:
Not to worry, it is difficult to explain opposition to change …
@Gungets Tuft: You sound a bit despondent, laddie :-) My comments apply to all ages (pre and post 1990’s). There are lots of good people in this country and the common denominator is always faith, hope and love with quite a bit of human imperfection mixed in. The fact that the thread has digressed a bit, indicates frustration with the present.
Should not take anything away from the boys selected and the opportunities created for them must be used to full advantage – good talent there. I also know that the Glenwood boys selected are really top class and that some deserving candidates did miss out. Nothing has ever kept a good man down, but they must be willing to broaden their horizons and consider alternative success options.
@Tarpeys: it is a derogatory word for a white person ,perfect example is the fact that Umtata apologized, which most black people will do once confronted about its use in the KWT taxi rank.
@Tarpeys: You don’t take away the benefits from white kids, you make sure that the same benefits are extended to everyone. It’s not a zero sum game, nor do you lower standards to the lowest common denominator, that’s defeat right there.
@QC86: To even think that umlungu is the same as the k-word is the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. The nguni people certainly do not use it to insult white people. Please do some research.
On the reverse racism issue, how do you then stop the current white generation from benefitting from the injustices of the past?
@BrotherBear: Are you taking about pre-1990 or Post-1990?
Frankly, references to rules, power, emotional intelligence, are laughable. South Africans have no frame of reference unless we’re using foreign examples, and they don’t count.
%#£€¥%# …. I’m going to regret even reading this thread.
@Umtata, @Capeman, @Ploegskaar: Fixing one wrong with another wrong (quotas= reverse racism) does not make it right, right? I do not believe that is what Ploegie meant though, or is it?
I am also waiting, as so many others, on a meaningful answer to the question @Vleis posed. But whilst individuals and groups (in power) still feel they do not have sufficient “power” or recognition or be it that they just have insufficient emotional intelligence, these “rules” and requirements will remain. True excellence, breeds excellence – not rules!
@CapeMan:
@Ploegskaar: What Ploeg said here …
There are many insults that have their origins in normal descriptive language, but put in a difference context be insulting. I don’t see mlungu in that light but can understand why some do.
Besides, I’m of distant Scottish heritage, there’s not much that you can say to insult us ..
This has turned into something else here. Grassy, I’m not going to even entertain you. Let’s go to the word umlungu. QC86, the word umlungu is not a derogatory word like the K word. Its just a Xhosa/Zulu/Nguni word for white people just like the English word for us darker folk is black people. Every black person uses it just like every white person uses the word black people. It is not a derogatory word. Don’t assume that word is a derogtory word. Bobuza qala = Ask first. Its actually disturbing that you would think that word is a derogatory word because that word in its purest form in Zulu means foam from the sea (ubulungu) as the first black people who saw white people for the first time compared white people’s skin complexion to the colour of the foam of the sea which is white. You see the Nguni languages are very descriptive. Also in Xhosa the word ‘ubulungu’ means to be a member or membership. Some people say that the word was also given to white people because they were seen as new members of society(the Dutch and British). We even have people named after the word ‘umlungu’ such as ‘Mlungwana’ for a male and ‘Nobelungu’ for a female. Ignorance is not good gentlemen. Not good at all. Sanubamuncu. Xa ungayazi into suveske uzicingele.
@GreenBlooded: Oy, are you calling me inferior??!!??
@Umtata: Enkosi kakhulu mhlobo wam
@Ploegskaar: I hear you, apologies to all and sundry
@Umtata:
Umlungu/Abelungu is not as simple as that – it has a very negative meaning when taken to it’s literal roots. Not that I really care. Like you, I don’t mind what people call me. I’ve come to realise that one’s reaction to name calling is an indication of an inferiority complex.
@Umtata: Just stating the obvious, but please shelve the Mlungu nonsense, word meaning is relative and defined by history, context and intention, of which you are well aware
@Ploegskaar: thank you
@QC86: umlungu = white male/female. Abelungu is plural.
What’s the problem?
I don’t have any issues with that word any person can use it, it doesn’t bother me one bit.
As long as coaches consciously or subconsciously believe that a white player is a safer selection than a player of colour, quotas must be enforced. There is enough talent coming through from the bottom up, but at national and international level there is a bottleneck. This is the main reason why it seems that initial quota targets are failing. Clean house from the top down and we will have a natural proportionate flow of talent
There are arguments for and against the quota system. However, rather than regurgitate same, I’d like to pose a few different questions to those who are in favour of the system:
1. Should we continue with the quota system indefinitely, or should there be a ‘sunset clause’ – e.g. 5 more years, 10 more years, etc, etc?
2. Further to question 1, how should the quota system change (if at all) in its remaining years – e.g. should it increase, decrease, be based on deprivation rather than race, etc, etc?
I’d also appreciate it if you could provide me with your reasons for your answers per above. Many thanks.
Of course, we’d all like there to be much more effort at ‘grass roots’ levels, etc, etc….but my questions above are specifically aimed at finding out views re how best to manage the quota system? I’m no expert, but the best example of economic affirmative action that I can think of is the New Economic Policy championed by Dr M in Malaysia. That said, even said policy draws quite a bit of criticism.
@Capeman: I would also tend to call it reverse racism as the intention is exactly the same: To exclude some to the benefit of others based on the colour of your skin. No matter what the noble intentions – let’s call a spade a spade.
@CapeMan: No it isn’t boet, why should young people now pay for the wrong doing of people in the past. It’s kak!
@Umtata: I would be careful of using the umlungu word if i was you.If i used the K word you would be up in arms.
@Grasshopper: Reverse racism. No man. Get out of here with that nonsense. That statement is offensive and really ignorant. Comparing the quota system to Apartheid. No man grassy. Don’t even start.
Sadly there is ALWAYS a selector bias – whether it is towards a school / a province or a race group.
I believe all the DHS boys selected are well worth their selection – irrespective of any quotas or otherwise. But that said – I’m sure there are a whole bunch of players who are just as worthy of selection (given a different set of electors and circumstances.
Selectors and coaches have a plan before selection (e.g. small speedy wing vs a big bruiser on defence. And some guys are just going to draw a short straw. Hope they get another chance – some do – some dont. Other try overseas – even PD players (Gio Aplon, Guthro Steenkamp, Jody Jenneker, JP Pietersen, Zane Kirchner, Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, Tonderai Chavhanga, Lionel Mapoe, Elton Jantjies ……).
So I’m not 100% convinced that the quota system is negatively impacting any particular top players (expect perhaps borderline selections in any system).
My gut says we are over the need for quotas – as there are really good players out there – and as a fan I don’t see a PD player or not anymore – I see a good selection or a bad one.
Others disagree – but unfortunately statistics can be made to show what you want them, – so one needs to be careful throwing numbers around. We will always have something to whinge about – and currently (at Bok level) it’s the coach rather than the players that seems to be the issue.
Back on topic – The HP squad looks good and it seems like the good players are there.
You all going to jump on me for being racist, but AA, EE, quotas etc is racism in reverse, it shouldn’t be accepted by the world just as Apartheid wasn’t accepted. 20 years of quotas is enough now. It’s actually an insult to those boys of colour picked…
@CapeMan: you all have taken it wrongly, I have no issue with DHS having all 15 in the HP squad, my issue is quite a few borderline white boys didn’t make it because of quotas. For me, it should be merit only doesn’t matter if you pink, yellow, green or purple. We are losing talented ‘white’ kids to England/Aus etc due to this. I bet Staples left because of this.
@McCulleys Workshop: True true…the blanket tarnish has already done the damage.
@Umtata: Kakade. Ingxaki ilapho kanye. Ndifuna bade bayivume ngokwabo baeke ukuyifihla londaba.
@Grasshopper: if that is your reply then what about the coaches and selectors that selected the boys for the HP side? I doubt not even one DHS coach is on that panel yet, as you so eloquently pointed out, there is one or two coaches from Glenwood on the selectors panel for the KZN u18 sides. Grassy, you don’t seem to have a problem with bloggers here writing in Afrikaans so why should you have a problem with Umtata writing in Xhosa? If you can’t translate via Google, find a Xhosa speaking or a Zulu friend of yours to translate what he said and as for the quota system you spoke about, the opposite can also be true, there can be a player of colour who would not have been picked into the side had the quota system not been there even if he was deserving of the selection. Yes, the quota system isn’t perfect and has many faults, but for me, it can also be useful as a boy who would not have otherwise been picked because of some racial bias will have to picked(and he was a deserving candidate). Yes, sometimes the selectors get it wrong just like Oupa Mahoje. For me personally, he is not an international calibre player. He is found wanting many times and I’m saying this as a Black African Xhosa male. So Grassy, let’s just remember to think before we speak. For me,more than the quota system remarks you made, it just sounds like you have sour grapes over DHS getting way more selections than Glenwood.
@ForeverHorseFly: Ask the coaches and selectors who are not exclusively from Glenwood…
@Grasshopper: Seeing as you bringing up the fact that Glenwood u16 beat DHS u16 20-13 yet only had 1 HP selection
Here is another fact, Glenwood 1st team lost 11-13 to Kearsney, 13 – 18 to Michaelhouse and 17 – 18 to Westville yet had more players in the craven week team than both Westville and Kearsney combined (6 for Glenwood vs 2 each for Westville and Kearsney) and had the same number of players with Michaelhouse. How do you explain that?
@Playa: While I get your point, it is a double edged sword because then one ends up naming players, which is generally avoided on the blog, but I guess the blanket tarnish is also to be avoided.
My Bok side on merit & form,1) Vincent Koch, 2) Andriaan Strauss, 3) Steven Kitshoff, 4) Lood de Jager, 5) Eben Etzebeth, 6) Jaco Kriel, 7) Marcell Coetzee, 8) Warren Whiteley (Captain), 9) Faf de Klerk, 10) Patrick Lambie, 12) Damian de Allende, 13) Lionel Mapoe, 14) Courtnall Skosan, 11) Jesse Kriel, 15) Willie Le Roux. Reserves; Harold Vorster, Fourie du Preez, Franco Mostert, Julian Redlinghuys, Duane Vermeulen, Schalk van der Merwe, PSDT, Cheslin Kolbe
Well I woke up and know it was not a dream
There is one word for it the Springboks are Crap.
Off topic, heard via a good source that Glenwood might be offering the Cambridge syllabus and IEB options. Glenwood will only be the 2nd Gov school in SA (after SACS) to offer this. A real game changer on the academic front
@Playa: I never once said the Glenwood boys were better, just stated a fact that they beat the DHS side 20-13, but only 1 boy made HP squad…
@Umtata: If you can’t write in the international language of business, English, then I can’t comment.
Now to prove my point after last night against Japan maybe we should pick a lot more boys of colour as the “—–” boys are getting there butt’s kicked.
What a disgrace but not a surprise if you see what happens even at schoolboy level everything is about big/dumb and no ball skills and then we wonder why.
That,s why schools like Dale/Queens are so important at least there is some skill there.
Grasshopper: ndilindele undixelele uba asiphumelelanga namhlamje ngenxa yabantu abamnyama
@Playa: eyona nxaku ka grasshopper yinto yokuba kukho abadlali bebhala abadlala ngcono kunabelungu.
Abelungu bano munyu umthetho wabo.
@rugbyfan: Thank you
@GreenBlooded: If he can tell me Black Player1 who made the squad is NOT better than White Player1 who did not make the squad – that’s how you distinguish…simple as that. I don’t have a problem with someone pointing out quotas, I also do it, as a person who does not favour the system. What I have a problem with is people using that as an excuse without backing. Grassy’s initial problem was with the DHS boys that made it ahead of the Glenwood boys, to which ForeverHorseFly responded with why he feels those boys are better than their Glenwood counterparts. Then Grassy responds with this ‘quota feel’ comment. I know you to be a reasonable man, but what value does that careless comment add to anything?
@Grasshopper: I don’t like it one bit, but I am sure DHS are just as proud and also looking for the best.
I certainly don’t believe in reverse racism either. I feel all sides should be picked on merit only..
@Umtata: Incorrect….
@Umtata: I rest my case
If those boys were from Glenwood High grasshopper would not have even said anything about quotas.
@rugbyfan:
But isn’t that exactly the problem with the quota system – it that there is never a distinction made between which PD player is quota and who is merit. How would Grassy know which is which? That is surely for the selectors to point out? Or do we assume that every black player selected is NOT a quota player? Well than why have a quota system in the first place?
@rugbyfan: Thank you sir
I would say Ludz is just asking a straight forward question, we know there are quota requirements for these schools but we should be careful in just saying a boy of colour is just there for his quota status.
So if Grassy wants to bring it up he must be prepaired to answer on what he is saying otherwise it does just look like using the quota card is just an excuse for another boy not been in the team.
So simple if its a simple statement of facts then be man enough to state the facts.
@Ludz:
Hopper didn’t invent the quota system – and there are indeed quota requirements in the GK and CW teams. Why you are bashing him for making a simple statement of fact?
@Grasshopper: When has the use of the word quota ever had positive connotations to it? I assume the use of it pertains to negativity on your part. Certainly your comments after suggest so
@Ludz: It’s the truth isn’t it? There is a legal requirement to have a quota. I’m not insulting them, the gov and SARU are…
@Grasshopper: You said the squad has a quota feel, if that isn’t insulting to the talents of the black and coloured young men in this group, I don’t know what is.
@Ludz: I haven’t shot down one boet, I haven’t mentioned one that shouldn’t be there…
@Grasshopper: Luckily that is just your opinion, now stop shooting down 16 year old kids
@CHS08: I won’t say publicly and it’s only my opinion, which means nothing in the overall scheme of things…
@Grasshopper: Who are those quota kids?
@Playa: Because the DHS bus has been doing the rounds in your area for a couple of years now. Yes, Glenwood recruit from around the country and proud of it. They looking for the best!
@Ludz: I did actually watch GK and personally some of the boys deserve to be there but some are quota.
@Grasshopper: Geez, insult to our young black players, how did you detect that feel? Did you watch all games at the u16 Grant Khomo Week
@Grasshopper: Can you define ‘quota feel’? I am asking genuinely here.
Secondly, why does it matter where the boys originate from? It’s not like GW only scouts in KZN either.
@ForeverHorseFly: Didn’t Jooste from Glenwood make GK at scrumhalf?
@ForeverHorseFly: yes, but if you look at the squad there definitely has a ‘quota’ feel to it, rightly or wrongly. They just couldn’t leave JJ out as he is by far the best lock in the province in the age group. How many of the DHS boys originate from the Eastern Cape?
Before we throw the quota word around, name me a better 9 than Nohamba or 15 than Zondeki in KZN? Buthelezi like JJ, represented KZN GK in 2014 and 2015. Barnes is definitely one of the better if not the best 8 in KZN if you have seen him play and Fatyela is no slouch either. Glenwood was the best u16 team in KZN but DHS was not far behind and we all know the best team does not necessarily mean it has the best players at each position.
@Rugger fan: one word, quotas!
Great to see the KZN names – but I was surprised to see so few GW names there – they had a great U16 team and expected a few more of their players to be in the mix
@greybearded: Dankie vir die name sover. Monnas se Van Niekerk het Akademieweek slot gespeel en Jacobs het vir Monnas loosie gespeel maar GK slot gespeel
From Ben Vorster.
Muzi Nyakane 12
Nyiko Ntlemo 8
Shama Manzini 5
Under 16 Green Squad names I am aware of :
Grey College
Ruhann Greyling 2
Christopher Schreuder 10
Janco van Heyningen 13
Rikus Pretorius 12
David Kriel 15
Monnas
Dandre Prinsloo 13/15
Tinus Combrink 9
PJ Jacobs 6
Christen van Niekerk
Affies
Jaco Labuschagne 7
Johan van Zyl 8
Wiehan Bezuidenhout 1
Charles Hoedhals 10
Helpmekaar
Mark Snyman 6
David Cary 11/14
At DHS, the Glenwood under16A’s won 20-13, so bodes well for a humdinger next year and the year after…
Well done to DHS, good to see them on the up. We need a proper evenly contested derby in Durbs :-)
@Beet: Publiseer bietjie daai volle lys van die 0/16 elitegroep asb?
And now for a more intelligent comment and one more befitting of the subject of the article: Well done to all the boys who made it.
DHS should not worry to much as it is now September. Come January they should all be in Glenwood if the common thread on this blog is correct ???
