| POSITION | BORDER CRAVEN WEEK | SCHOOL | # | BORDER u16 | SCHOOL |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Prop | Kuhle Mokhoabane | Dale | 1 | Heindrick Otto | Dale |
| Prop | Siyavuya Mlwayo | Queens | 2 | Gareth Heidtmann | Queen’s |
| Prop | Tango Balikile | Selborne | 3 | Leon Lyons | Selborne |
| Hooker | Curtley du Preez | Grens | 4 | ZukhanyeMbetane | Baysville |
| Hooker | Sango Mtotywa | Dale | 5 | Brandon du Toit | Selborne |
| Lock | Henning Coetzee | Grens | 6 | RegardtKitching | Selborne |
| Lock | Robert Lyons | Selborne | 7 | Hanru Sirgel | Grens |
| Lock | Pierre Bester | Grens | 8 | Darren Lemmer | Selborne |
| Lock | Nico Grobler | Grens | 9 | Siphosethu Mazamtsana | Cambridge |
| Flank | Alno Schultz | Grens | 10 | Jerome Bossr | Selborne |
| Flank | Adrian Greig | Selborne | 11 | AzolaGomba | Selborne |
| No.8 | Jason Steyn | Selborne | 12 | Cameron Cato | Queen’s |
| Scrumhalf | Reinhardt Engelbrecht | Grens | 13 | Mihlali Peter | Queen’s |
| Scrumhalf | Siyamthanda Mgubo | Dale | 14 | Samkele Njiva | Queen’s |
| Flyhalf | Morgan Steyn | Selborne | 15 | Aphelele Fassi | Dale |
| Centre | Michael Brink | Grens | 16 | Ruben Vos | Hudson Park |
| Centre | David Brits | Selborne | 17 | LiyaMiti | Selborne |
| Centre | Avela Jubase | Queens | 18 | Ontha Mavuso | Selborne |
| Wing | Yamkele Nyalambisa | Dale | 19 | LisolomziNtwanambi | Queen’s |
| Wing | Luyolo Khuse | Dale | 20 | James Monaghan | Selborne |
| Wing | Jerry Danquah | Queens | 21 | Sibulele Mbana | Hudson Park |
| Fullback | Courtney Winnaar | Dale | 22 | Buhlebenkosi Qaba | Cambridge |
@GCollege86:
there goes our talent
@BoishaaiPa: As I said WP is after him and he went to see them. What the deal is with the school and if any I don’t know.
I don’t know if he was given a option of schools or not. I cant ask him as he is at CW at the moment and will leave next Sunday.
I will give his girlfriends dad a call and ask him if he has more info.
@GCollege86: As I understand it, the school itself had nothing to do with the move and was lucky enough to benefit from it…
@BoishaaiPa: His mom did not say to much except that she don’t want him to move now but rather after Gr 12.
He is represented by an agent. He also visited the Blue Bulls 4 weeks ago.
From what I understand, WP initiated the move. I haven’t had time to speak to the boy but he has made up his mind. A lot of rumors are going around what he has been offered, but I have no confirmation or facts. One of the reasons given is that he will have a better chance to make SA Schools side next year playing for WP.
He also want to play rugby professionally after school and had to decide going to the BB or WP.
@GCollege86: If you know them, please find out the real story and the truth of why he is moving. Rumours has never done anybody any good. Couple of questions to be asked.
1. Who initiated the move.
2. What is the reason for the move
@GCollege86: Unbelievable! Just unbelievable!
I heard last week from one of the Selborne coaches that the Gr 11 boy who was approached by Glenwood, will now be reporting at Paarl BH on Monday 21 July for duty. He will be back from CW on Saturday 19 July, pack his stuff and travel to Paarl the next day. I confirmed this with his mother and girlfriend’s farther.
@Playa: @beet: Last year Selborne’s u16A lost to GCB by 34 to 7, while the u15A team beat GCB by 9 to 0…so if anything, this year’s Border u16A team should’ve been much stronger.
However, the above does not factor the following facts into the equation:
1. As mentioned previously, Dale and Queens have been decimated in this age group; and
2. the Selborne u16A team this year (while still a good team) has declined since 2013, as they lost by 7 to Boland Landbou and got thrashed by GCB in Bloem.
@BoishaaiPa: Sies. Mens gee krediet waar dit toekom, ek sou bv. nooit so iets sê van die Akademie span afrigter nie.
@beet: Also wasn’t aware of them having 15A group, just the under 16s who are now the bulk of their 1st team
I know the Border u16A team did well last year because of a strong group mainly from Selborne u16A. Not sure about their u15A’s from 2013 tho.
@Vleis: Maybe the coaches got some combinations wrong.
Asked another way, how did the GCB 15A team do against Boishaai and Paul Roos last year?
@Ploegskaar: Mmmm Ja..Probeer nog uitfigure hoe n o/19 coach die GK coach word, maar dit maar daar gelaat. Dink nie dis te moeilik om sulke spelers te coach nie!
I know that Queens and Dale have been decimated in this age group by players moving to Natal, Southdowns, Kingswood, etc…but didn’t Selborne beat GCB last year at u15 level? If so, I’d have thought that their nine players in the squad would have made the team more competitive than the scoreline suggests.
@Ploegskaar: That explains it. Thanks Ploeg
@Ploegskaar: I’ll take some comfort in that.
Careful of the cheque books from up north
@BoishaaiPa: With, once again, one of the better coaches around
@Knight_CHS07: 17 of the 22 in the WP GK squad are from Paarl Gim (5), Boishaai (6), Paul Roos (2) and Boland Landbou (4), and all 4 of the mentioned schools are currently in the T10 for the u/16 age group rankings. There are some pretty special players in this group.
@BoishaaiPa: According to those in the know this is one of WP better Khomo teams in the last couple of years…
@BoishaaiPa: Met eish ja
Doesn’t bode well for Craven Week in two years’ time
@BoishaaiPa:
yhu! Is the WP team that good or was the Border team lacking BMT ?
Grant Khomo score: WP 61- Border 0
@GCollege86: Oh dear! I hope it’s not serious.
@GCollege86: What???
did he injure his knee during the warm-up game? I hope it’s not too serious 
@GCollege86:How is Morgan Steyn’s knee??? I hope its not anything bad!
@Knight_CHS07:Just heard MorganSteyn went for a scan on his knee today.
@GCollege86: hmmm…then i reckon we have a strong Border Team 8)
@Knight_CHS07: Dont know. I did not watch the game. It was Border’s 1st game compared to EP’s 4th. I heard that Border can still do much better.
@GCollege86:Interesting…Does the score reflect the performance of both teams?
CW u18 warm up game: EP 24 Border 21
@Ploegskaar: Yip..we played against each other a few times!
@BoishaaiPa: His dad would have played in the local leagues around the time you played, not?
@Ploegskaar: Jan played Boland Schools cricket in 2011 as well and made the SA Colts squad that year…I know him and his dad very well. Currently contracted with Griquas Cricket.
@GCollege86: That 10 was Jan Frylinck, he chose cricket over rugby and played Boland and SA Schools cricket the following year, if I remember correctly. Huge boot, talented sportsman.
@Ploegskaar: Yes my son is the no.14 for Selborne. Cant wait to meet you. No doubt Rudi and I will be in PE next year for CSW.
@Playa: Cant tell you if any other team of Selborne ever been unbeaten. I don’t keep record. Boland outplayed Selborne that day, and when Selborne woke up it was to late. When the Boland flyhalf kicked that drop goal I knew it was over. The flyhalf kept the big pack on the back foot and all over the field the whole game.
@GCollege86: Then I will watch next year’s game with you and Rudi, your boy playing on the wing if I remember correctly. Maybe put a case of the best on it?
I hear people making noise about the Selborne 2011 pack yes those boys were big, but the Queens 2006 pack of forwards MY WORD!!! Even today I still haven’t seen a pack as big as that! Remember how HUGE those 2 locks were yho especially that number 5 Matthew Lugte!
@GCollege86: Smart move. I watched those forwards bully Grey Bloem in EL. I sill say GCB were lucky to walk out with a draw there. Then they were made to look “okayish” by Dale the following week…until the last 10 minutes when Dalians just got tired of competing against those monsters and the flood gates opened.
Is my information correct that had it not been for the loss to Boland Landbou, this would have been Selborne’s first ever unbeaten 1st XV?
@Playa: I watched that game in KWT. The Boland boys did their homework and kept the ball away from the forwards.
@Ploegskaar:
the Farmers spoilt a near perfect season for the Selbornians that day
@Playa: Still a 50% record and going by the score lines, some matches could have gone the other way as well.
Selborne & QC results would be interesting for sure (Boland v the all-conquering Selborne 2011 side in KWT will stand out
)
@Knight_CHS07: Very good team that 2011 side, but under achieved at the end. They kind of stayed on cloud 9 after beating Grey, and forgot to come back to earth. They had an easy win against Port Rex in their next game (the Cambridge game was cancelled due to floods – niyawuhlala nisinda), then lost 4 in a row (Rondebosch, SACS, St Andrews & Selborne) before picking themselves up against Hudson then ending the season with that great win at the Rec against QC.
Before that losing streak, they’d only lost 2 games out of 13 against Kearsney and Selborne.
LOL! Re Buchule. The year was 2007…we needed a victory if you know what I mean. SACS must have been really weak to lose to that Dale side
@Playa: Interesting stats… its a pity the 2004 and 2012 teams were in the odd years. The 2011 team was a good team (beat QC twice), i wonder what happend at when they played at CSW.
I’m suprised to see Buchule Tech there, naazincelela pha
.
I’ll check the Selborne website for their CSW results since 2007.
@Ploegskaar: Just had a jab at the 1980s.
P 15 W7 L8
Looks like, overall, CSW hasn’t been a happy place for Dale. Just the 90s stick out.
P53 W28 D1 L24
I wonder how Selborne and Queens records look.
@Ploegskaar: Hahahaha! I was hoping you wouldn’t ask for those.
2001:
vs Paarl Gym L 17-23
vs Rondebosch L 10-22
vs SACS L 6-15
2003:
vs Wynberg L 16-20
vs Paarl Gym L 17-27
vs Paul Roos W 14-8
2005:
vs Paarl Gym L 15-23
vs Rondebosch W 25-7
vs Wynberg W 20-9
2007:
vs SACS W 14-12
vs Buchule Tech W 31-0
vs Paarl Gym L 10-24
2009:
vs Boland Landbou L 18-30
vs SACS W 18-12
vs Wynberg W 40-26
2011:
vs Rondebosch L 12-15
vs Outeniqua – NO MATCH, KWAGGAS PULLED OUT OF CSW
vs SACS L 16-23
2013:
vs Wynberg L 15-36
vs Paarl Gym L 3-38
vs Boland Landbou L 22-34
The last two CSW outings have been torrid for Dale…eish!
@Playa: Thanks bud, 90’s certainly belonged to Dale at CSW, P18 W14 D1 L3. Now for those 2001 – 2013 results?
@Queenian: That’s just laughable!!!
@Ploegskaar: Dale Cape Schools Results in the 1990’s:
1990:
vs Paarl Gym D 13-13
vs Rondebosch W 13-6
vs SACS W 15-9
1991:
vs Paarl Boys W 24-3
vs SACS W 14-9
vs Wynberg W 17-4
1993:
vs Paarl Gym W 13-6
vs Rondebosch W 48-7
vs Wynberg W 27-3
1995:
vs Boland Landbou L 15-20
vs Rondebosch W 19-8
vs SACS W 26-18
1997:
vs Paarl Gym L 13-29
vs SACS L 13-18
vs Wynberg W 34-13
1999:
vs Boland Landbou W 26-14
vs Rondebosch W 51-8
vs SACS W 19-5
And make it worse they say there depth is depleted.
Do you know what amazes me is rugby writers or could I say local rugby writers I have read 3 articles in newspapers and sites in SA over the last week and they speak about the slide or going backwards or everybody is catching up all about All Black rugby.
And some of the points they use is this the All Black centre paring is old and who will replace them and the All Black wings are running out of steam and were are there attacking options from the back and the lock pair is the worst they have seen in decades and what on earth is going on with there fly halfs stating look at SA with all there talent Pollard/Boshoff/Goosen and so on.
So I thought lets look at that starting with there centres ye Smith/Nonu are a bit long in the tooth but still playing well and if they out well its bad you crap players like Feletoau/Sonny Bill/Nana Williams and co to replace them now that’s a disaster. Next the wings are running out of steam ye for sure drop the current useless wings and they have nobody to replace them, ye for sure who you trying to fool. Next no attacking options from the back well shame Ben Smith must be crap or something- come on. Next the weakest lock pairing Whitelock/Retallick ye they shocking aren’t they. And then well flyhalf,s are a mess at least we have Pollard/Boshoff/Goosen and they only have dead beats Carter/Barret/Cruden and the Highlanders fellow well they in big trouble.
Now am I just completely insane or are our writers just living on another flippen planet, please tell me.
@Ploegskaar:
not bad Xhosa there…
Let me see what I can dig up.
@Playa: Hmmm, have no doubt the 90’s would look different, remember some monster Dale teams. Any chance of getting those results from the start of CSW? Come on mhlobo wam, pull finger.
@Ploegskaar: I also prefer July hey. But someone made the point that some under 17 kids will be at CW and some under 16s at GKW. Which kind of defeats the purpose. Sad that Cape Schools has become a second fiddle festival.
As for reasons to smile…well I guess the WC teams have had it better this century…there was a time when we used CSW as practice for the second half of the “TOUGH” EC season…those were the days
@Playa: I prefer the idea of playing in the July holidays to be honest, 3 weeks without rugby is a long time for me. Think the solution would be to make it an u17 festival, as suggested last year, but obviously that is not part of the thinking at the moment. As far as I can remember there has been no reasons for excuses in the recent past either, just more reasons to smile
@Ploegskaar: Any reason why CSW cannot be played at the end of the rugby season? Maybe as a ‘Stayers’ festival. Both provinces play until August, and host it a week after the last weekend of matches. CW is obviously a burden on the festival, and I know the one year, Outeniqua pulled out just days before due to CW commitments…
And also…you Kaapies can stop making excuses when the Colony boys beat your ‘seccies’…
@Queenian:
so soon!
@Playa: I see Queens is advertising for new Director of Rugby.
@GCollege86: Then it will be even tougher for the WC schools (without CW reps) playing the EC schools (with CW reps). Maybe Grey PE will have another shot at beating the Paarl Gym Seccies next year
@Ploegskaar: Sounds nice. I here another Selborne boy got drafted into the academy side due to an injury to one of the Grens boys. So 16 in CW and Academy side and 1 (Rudi’s son) out on injury.
@BOG: I was involved with coaching and management at Cambridge till 2007. Cant believe how things changed since then. Hams still exist but no Rugby anymore. QT has one team and all other clubs are battling. Buffs club burnt down so they lost a lot of players.
There are a lot of factors but it’s mainly economics. Young players can’t afford the subs. The vast distances they have to travel due to the Premier league being expanded also has an impact. I was shown a photo the other day of a OB player kicking for poles at a club (Premier Club) in a remote area. You can’t see his boots because of the long grass and no lines on the field or any dressing rooms. I believe that up to 50% of games in certain areas are cancelled without prior notice. So they travel 300km just to return home without a game. Had a chat to one of the team managers the other day and he said they have given up on Border. Some of the teams would rather forfeit a game than play and lose. No action is taken against these clubs but they still have a vote when it comes to selecting the Border executives.
@GCollege86: Years ago, clubs were vibrant in the region- Buffs, Cambridge, Hams, OBs ect. Even QT had 2 clubs. On Saturdays, these clubs mustered up to 4 teams, admittedly, the 3rd and 4ths were there exclusively for the drinking afterwards and the 2nds just marginally better. A player who attended at least one practice session normally got rewarded with a spot in the 2nds. And even then, there were the occasional schoolboy who participated for the laugh. But I believe it was great fun.But now I believe some of the club houses are run down derelict ruins. Mind you, not much better elsewhere
@GCollege86: I thought so much. Definitely worth the trip then, but will bring QC OB Warren Cullinan with to shout abuse at you guys! Maybe Rudi can sponsor some brisket, the boys from Krull some smokey pinkies, Pholman from Farmhouse a few boxes of mala and myself our premium cheap braaiwors for a lekker braai
Maybe we can even get Brent Sussens to throw in a few Black Label quarts as well, see his stores are doing well in the EC.
@Ploegskaar: 15 Selborne boys made the CW and Academy side + 1 that’s out with injury. So of the 16 boys, eleven is still in grade 11 and will be back next year.
How many of this strong group of Selborne boys will we see at CSW in PE next year? Know it’s still a way to go, but same question goes for QC, Dale, The Pansies and Muir as well. Last visit to KWT was a good one for the Farmers, but it seems the Baboona will get an opportunity to right the results of 2011 and 2013 in 2015.
@BOG: Its really sad whats happening in Border. Even though rugby is healthy and very competitive at CW, Academy, GK and u13, it is not the case at club level.
For the major clubs in Border to compete in the Premier league, they have to be able to field a 1st, 2nd and u21 team. The problem is that hardly any of the clubs in Border has enough young players to field a u21 team. So they make use of school boys. So you have u17, u18 and u19 school boys who is playing in the u21 league at club level. These school boys are not 1st team players as the coaches prevent the 1st team players from playing for clubs. They are 2nd and 3rd team boys. Now these boys are not sent to CW trials, only 1st boys are sent.
When its time for u19 trials, the clubs send these boys who is playing for their u21 team to the trials. Because there are hardly any u19’s in Border you end up with trials where 30 players rock up.
Basically all the u19’s from last year has left. So I don’t know how the Border u21 side will do this year. The u19 side of this year will be lucky if they win one game. Hope I am wrong.
@Knight_CHS07: Overall, since the beginning of time, Dale has the upper hand. 67-35 or something. It is this century that has not been kind to us. Specifically, since 2005, all our boys’ school rivals have beaten us more times than we have beaten them. Then things look better when you look at 2010-2014.
Arrggghh…you know what they say about statistics
@BOG: I agree. CW should be under 19 for schoolboys. The post matric era that led to this change in categories is a thing of the past now.
Under 18 & 19 boys who have finished school can go and battle it out in the under 21 sides. Admittedly, the challenge is that club rugby is dead. The upside is those who don’t make the team early on can go and either study or acquire some other skill to occupy their time.
This, of course is in an ideal world.
@Playa:
DC won 5 and SAC won 9. I think this is the first time i have seen Dale being dominated by another team. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with these stats, but then again…this is Dale we are talking about, they usually have the upper hand.
@GCollege86: That is the irony. Was it not last yrs Border U19 which gained promotion? But now its another group of players to “benefit”, but they will be slaughtered. On the other hand, the U 19 players of last yr who earned promotion, will be U20, the team which was relegated. It makes no sense. Also the sensitivity around U19 players playing for schools and CW, while they arrange a match like this? Thats why I think school rugby should be U19, including CW
@GCollege86: I think Boksmart allows under 17 players to play in an under 19 match. This is still shocking nonetheless. BRU needs to focus less on sandwich platters and drum sticks and more on actual rugby. Truly pathetic. They will get smashed in the under 19 currie cup.
The Border u18 CW side just played a warmup game against the Border u19 side. The score was 10 tries to 1 for Border u18’s. Not a good game and a lot of hard work ahead for CW coaches. Steyn (nr 10) and first choice scrumhalf did not play and I think that had a huge impact on the back line. Scrumming was bad. Loose forwards played well.
Border u19 must be the weakest side I have ever seen for a u19 side. They have school boys playing for them that plays 2nd and 3rd teams for their schools. One is still u17 and in Gr 11. Dont know how they allow that. What about “boksmart”. I asked an official if it was just an invitational side and he said no that it was the official Border U19 side. Cant see them winning any games this year.
@BOG:
good one
Let’s see who will get the last laugh
@Playa: All CW matches are televised. Just make sure you record it and suffer watching it for decades. But look at the positive. My late brother-in-law use to say, when the cricketers were struggling, he enjoyed watching them because it drove him to drink.
@Knight_CHS07: SAC vs Dale since 2007…ok for my sanity I have gone back to 2000. SAC has been the dominant team since 2007 by some way.
2000: DC won 15-9
2001: SAC won 34-0
2002: SAC won 6-5
2003: DC won 12-5
2004: DC won 39-7
2005: SAC won 19-12
2006: DC won 33-20
2007: SAC won 22-6
2008: SAC won 24-17
2009: SAC won 18-17
2010: SAC won 31-0
2011: SAC won 15-14
2012: DC won 22-20
2013: SAC won 43-18
@BOG: Hahahahaha!
Well…I think the selectors having selected the whole Grens forward pack in the CW side had something to do with that fixture…
the boys in brown and white will know the calls within 5 minutes of the game
It definitely will be a clash to behold. I hope they televise it.
BRING IT ON!!!
@Playa: I note that very little is being said about Borders fixtures at CW, particularly their match against the purple jerseys of that “non existing” central region, where there is only “one rugby playing school”. As much as I have an affinity with Border, never have I been a greater supporter of the Griffons than this year. For me, almost the high light of CW. Yeah, bring it on!!!
@Knight_CHS07: Ok, will send a bit later.
The St Andrews and Dale game is going to be tightlÿ contested. Queens IS NOT going to beat this freakishly good Selborne side.
@Playa:
Snobs? Where do these names come from?
Do you mind posting some results of Dale vs St Andrews from 2007-2013…
@Knight_CHS07: I sure wish. never easy at the Rec. We were overwhelming favourites in 2012, only to face a possessed QC side and went down 28-0.
@Knight_CHS07: Home ground advantage to give Dale a 5 point victory. But those snobs are unpredictable hey. Hopefully the boys’ motivation to keep an unbeaten record at home will be the difference.
@Queenian: There’s always a chance ALWAYS!
. The Selborne vs Grey PE game will be a cracker…i’ll be there supporting our local boys
@Queenian: The game will be played at CHS on 16 Aug.
@Knight_CHS07: Ye agree with you there I doubt QC will have any chance but we can wish.
@Playa: What’s you prediction on the Dale vs St Andrews game?
@CHS08: @Knight_CHS07: When do QC play CHS and were they playing.
@Queenian: Don’t get me wrong, QC has a chance…yes, but i still think Selborne will remain unbeaten in the Border region.
@Knight_CHS07: I think QC stand to win what on earth you doing award this year.
@CHS08:
@Queenian:
…well in that case i’d be honored to take the win. I thought the “Clown Award” was between QC and H.Park 
.
That Muir centre (no.13) was impressive hey, he’s a good ball carrier and i like how he breaks through the opposition back line. However…having said that, I TOTALLY disagree with the part about QC beating Selborne at home…no no no sir. Selborne is not invincible, but man they can play.
@Playa:
the Dalians will take it, but QC will not make it easy. In fact, it’s going to be closely contested until the final whistle.
@Queenian: I hope you joking otherwise that’s a very disrespectful thing to say! Cambridge for a co ed school has had a decent season the only co ed school we’ve lost to Is Grens the rest were boy’s traditional schools!!!
@Queenian:
Hahahahaha!
Beat the Baboona, by all means…just give us the double
@Playa: Mark my word here QC will beat Selborne in East London, the jinx has been set.
@Knight_CHS07: @CHS08: Maybe the winner can win the “Clown Award”
@Knight_CHS07: @CHS08: Wow really looks like this years game between CHS vs QC is going to be the Border game of the year when it comes to under achievers.
@Knight_CHS07: With all the bouncing going on looks like they trying to be Jan Serfontein.
@Playa: Southdowns seems to becoming the senior school of choice for Border boys.
@Knight_CHS07: @GCollege86: Muir has a very good backline there two centres are very good not sure if the one playing craven week was there but they very good both boys still in Grade 11. There pack is a bit small but they have a high work rate.
@GCollege86: Hahahaha! I wasn’t aware it’s at Glenwood…eish!
@GCollege86: Me too hey. It was a better performance from them (CHS) today. The problem with CHS team is the backline…the scrum half’s need to practise their passing, the centres need to run into gaps and NOT pLAYERS
. This “bouncing” business is getting old. Bouncing the opposition does not win games that’s why we lost Saturday.
@Knight_CHS07: Happy CHS could end off with a win.
@GCollege86:
they were lucky??? That Muir team is unpredictable hey. I went to CHS during my lunch break to watch the final game…CHS won 17-8 against Farmount.
Is the u13 CW broadcasted on TV ? I hope you lose both bets
@Playa: Or they just stay where they having the tournament at Glenwood. I have a bet on with the Selborne Primary school headmaster on how many of the 9 Selborne Primary boys who made the CW side will stay in Border next year. I have the same bet with “Cakes” the Dale u14 coach on how many u13 Dale CW players will go to Dale next year. He says 100%. I say 0%. A case of bear up for grabs. Lets wait a see what happens after the u13 CW.
@Queenian: Eish…what can we do, hey? This is where things are headed now.
@GCollege86: Great result!!! Well done to the youngsters there.
Watch those boys end up at Southdowns in the near future…
u13 Cravenweek
Griquas 36 Zim 12
FState 8 SWD 10
Valke 13 Nam 0
Boland 43 Griff 12
Leopards 37 Border CD 5
EP 17 Limpopo 12
Blue Bulls 10 Border 52
Nice to see the Border u13 CW side beating the Blue Bulls 52 – 10
Scores from the Cambridge Festival this morning:
Grens 1st vs Muir 1st: 13 – 13 (Grens was lucky)
Selborne 2nd vs Nico Malan 1st: 31 – 19
@Queenian:
already??? What is wrong with these people? Have they no shame? Those boys are halfway through their high school careers and already there are vultures lurking around ready to take all the hard work of Border School.
@CHS08: @Knight_CHS07: @Playa: The rumblings up North is that the Border Under 16 team will be targeted by scouts and already there is talk of them hanging around one of the Queens boys which is digusting to say the least.
I think this year’s 1st team should play in the B or C fields! Let teams that play for the badge e.g 16a and 3rds play on the TB Scott field!
Shame maybe I’m being too harsh the forwards tried but the backline players??? All disgusting! The final score was 22-15 to Muir. We were 17-0 down at some stage.
@Queenian @Playa @Knight CHS 07: DISGUSTING attititude displayed by the Cambridge 1st team players sies!!! Yes its not always about winning and losing but the manner in which those boys conduct themselves really irritates me! Those boys sure do have the potential but are arrogant, play for the crowd and are generally embarassing the school and their coach! I can’t wait for this year’s u16a players to get to the opens to save us!!! I was beyond irritated Saturday!!! I hope the KZN schools don’t approach our 2 Grant Khomo weak players esp the scrumhalf the kid is sublime we need him next year!
@Playa: I understand your point. I don’t mind my team going down against a better team…i take nothing from Muir, but to be honest they weren’t that much better than CHS. Cambridge self-destructed by doing the BASICS WRONG!!
In the 1st half Muir totally out played them. The Muir centre was sublime, slicing through the back line a couple of times. The 2nd half was a closely contested, with CHS doing dominating more…but not scoring points.
Lol, i heard their war cry/Haka. According to me… the Dalians are the only ‘Amadoda’ i know of…ezinye…well…i’d rather not say
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@Knight_CHS07: No shame in losing to a boys’ college…who call themselves ‘AMADODA’
@Queenian: I think those boys are too big headed…all they care about is “Image” and playing for the crowd and not the Badge. I was so disgusted at the way they played Saturday, i even told CHS08 that we wasted our time and money by going there to support them.
Honestly i don’t know how to answer your question…
@Vleis: Sorry you correct Southdowns is the one.
@Knight_CHS07: @CHS08: Gents what happened to Cambridge against Muir on Saturday?
I just hope all the u16 boys return to their schools next term
@Knight_CHS07: Hahahaha
@Playa:
The co-ed schoools (CHS, Grens, Hudson ect) would love to see that oke back at Dale lol.
@Knight_CHS07: Over my dead body!!!!!
@Queenian: There are definitely no players called Fortuin or Magodila at St Albans. Maybe you are confusing St Albans with Southdowns?
@GCollege86:
Now that boy was chosen on merit. Good player indeed.
@Playa: As long as Dale has Griffy, they will have a fair 1st XV. So even if they have a ‘weak’ u16A, Griffy and his staff will groom them well. Unless they bring back the Dale 2007 coach
@Knight_CHS07: The Grens u16 boy is the centre that played against Selborne. Good player.
@GCollege86: Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t get a chance to watch him play against CHS, i watched him against Grens…wow! What talent…the Selborne 1997 age group is something else indeed.
I hope that Grens player in the GK team is the one that played inside centre against Selborne. That boy was impressive that day, sadly i don’t know his name
Gents Selborne is going to be something else next year! Too many talented players in the 1997 age group! Boloko is also highly talented!
@Knight_CHS07: Boloko was injured most of the season. He had a slow start by playing 3rds and worked himself up to 1sts. He played 2 games for firsts (camb & grens) due to 1st team injuries. I think if he went to trials he might of had a chance.
@CHS08: Depleted as in ‘weak’. Not taking anything away from any team that beats them, as that is the best Dale has to offer. Just saying that those two are the stand out players in a weak team, i.e. as strong as Cambridge and Hudson may be, those two can quite possibly the best in their positions regardless.
@Playa: LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! True that!!!
@CHS08: Cambridge and Hudson should take note of some KZN schools.
Those players not making GKW may be a blessing in disguise for you guys.
@Playa: Depleted or not Cambridge and Hudson have a better age group than Dale! Are you trying to say that at u14 and u15 level they were depleted aswell when they lost to Cambridge and Hudson Park?
@Queenian: And what a bruising game of rugby that was. Gareth Heidtmann was a hazard to the Dale defence. That boy was taking everything up, he gained 5 meters on each run on average. If he grows any bigger and maintains his pace…he’ll be a problem when he’s under 18.
Queens and Dale should take note of Cambridge and Hudson Park in 2016 and 2017!!!!!
@Queenian: Grens is the Afrikaans word for Border after all
@CHS08: I reckon Otto and Fassi deserve their places though. They are the stand out players in a depleted Dale under 16 team. And just to echo Queenian, the QC number 2, 13 and 14 are phenomenal players. Haven seen their Hudson and Cambridge counterparts, so you are better to judge than I am. QC under 16s, though results say otherwise, they are a side that can play.
Jerome Bossr and James Monaghan are both ex-Dale Junior. James’s father is an Old Dalian if memory serves me right
@Queenian: What I mean’t to say is that Hudson and Cambridge haven’t lost BOTH to Dale and Queens since u14!!! I was in KWT when our 16a beat Dale 25-19. The score actually flatters Dale because we outplayed them! They scored the last 2 tries in the last 5 minutes when our players lost concetration! I tell you now our 16a are going to beat Queens in August Hudson and Cambridge should have more players than Dale and Queens!!!
@CHS08: Same here mate. It’s good to see our boys doing well
@GCollege86: No T.Boloko?
. Well i guess there’s always next year. I was impressed with his performance against Grens (played 1st team) and against Dale (played 2nd team).
@Queenian: Interestingly, Hudson u16A beat QC u16A 22-10
. CHS u16A lost to Hudson by 1 point in a cracker of a game…CHS were cheated that day and the Hudson okes know it 
@CHS08: Sorry QC Under 16 actually beat Dale 15-13 this year.
@CHS08: Although teams at Under 16 level don’t always show you how good they will be at 1st team prime example is QC 1st this year quite a shocker and 2 years ago they only lost 1 or 2 games at Under 16 level none on the Border and now they a mess. (Although give them there due Fortuin now Bulls CW and Magodila who went to St Albans were stars and left.)
@spilly: I would rather not comment. A big discussion point here in Slummies. 9 Selborne boys made the Academy side nl. no 1 van Tonder (u17), no 3 Voigt (u17), no 4 Froneman (u17), no 6 Niewenhuizen (u17), no 8 Selem (u17), no 9 Alderman (u17), no 13 Da Silwa (u18), no 14 Coetzer (u17) and no 15 Mcloughlin (u18)
@CHS08: But I am not saying QC Under 16 team is better than either Cambridge or Hudson.
@CHS08: I agree mate, Hudson Park has a good u16A team yet they have 2 players QHA!!
@QC86: Agreed there Border Craven week teams have never been about merit and Grens have always benifited from this.
@CHS08: Dale Under 16 beat QC Under 16 this year in King by a few points and that’s the first time they have beaten them in senior school. You also mentioned why QC have 5 in the team and that is mainly because they are outside backs and they are really good. This QC team suffers a lot from under achieving and injuries last year they had 3 key players out the nearly the whole year and this year two forwards which has make there progress difficult. But they have a lot of talent and wait till 1st team level beside Selborne no other Border team will have the better of them. The year Cato under 16 this year and Smith under 15’s this play QC 1st there backline will be awesome they must be two of the best centre’s I have seen at school boy level.
@QC86: Sad, but true. That means If they had a CW/GKW at u14 last year, we would’ve seen 1 or 2 CHS boys yet they were no.1 in the Border, no.2 in the EC and 19th nationally…so sad
@CHS08: No provincial school boy side is chosen on merit,so why you so shocked,
I’m so proud of Section for starting at 9 for the Grant Khomo week side!
Jerome Bossr? Didn’t that boy go to Dale Junior? You have to feel for Dale though always losing their best players to other schools!!!
@Playa: Morgan Steyn will be just as good at the Craven Week! @Beet: Thanks beet. Hayi hayi hayi players in South African rugby unlike our counterparts in NZ are not chosen on merit! Selborne, Hudson Park and Cambridge have the best u 16z in the Border they the top 3 yet Queens has 5 players in the squad compared to the Hudson and Cambridge 2. If I’m not mistaken Hudson and Cambridge since u14 haven’t lost to Queens! Same applies to Dale! I don’t know!
@beet: Thanks Beet. I take it you are waiting for the Academy Week team list now right?
I have added the Grant Khomo team above
@Playa: ok not easily…
@CHS08: Hahahaha! Easy there tiger. Kaloku, SA Schools is picked based on performance at Craven Week. So if Morgan doesn’t perform, he’ll have to wait one more year. But yeah, he is easily the best schoolboy 10 in the country, but he must prove it at CW to earn the stripes.
@beet: Siyamthanda Mgubo is a centre, not a scrumie.
@CHS08: He is a centre buddy. He even played no.12 for Dale last weekend against Selborne.
@spilly: I agree with you 100%. I think D. Voigt (Selborne no.3, in grade 11) should’ve been there.
@Gcollege86 Cannot believe that the grade 11 forwards from a dominant Selborne pack have not been considered on merit. I can only think that the Grens boys are in Matric , and are being rewarded for their consistency from U16 to Firsts.Hope those Selborne boys at least made the Academy side.How many boys from Selborne made the GK team.
And oh if they don’t pick Morgan Steyn for SA Schools. Then I’m going to seriously question the integrity of SA Rugby. Gents that boy deserves it. I get tears in my eyes when his in action. Sublime rugby player.
@beet: especially against the griffons, that other unknown entity. I believe that they have quite a solid team!
@GCollege86:Siyamthanda Mgubo the current Dale 12 played 10 last year for Dale his u 18 not u17. The Grant Khomo week’ scrumhalf from last year plays for the Dale 2nds. Apart from the Grens 9 who is the best scrumhalf in the Border Region I don’t think the other players were chosen based on merit and form rather than reputation. I mean Brinks for example and even Nyalambisa for that matter are no way better than the Selborne 13! Jason Steyn is the best 8 in the Border Region yes but his reserve should be the Cambridge 8 Lusanda Badiyana not the Grens oke! How can Grens who were humiliated by the Selborne pack 2 weeks ago (I was watching) have so many forwards in the team? No man! Their scrumhalf half though deserves his place. He is a good.
@Playa: Agree
. Not to bad for 6 out of 10 to make the CW side.
@CHS08: I don’t know the boys or names that well but as far as I know that the centre for Dale played scrumhalf for the Grant Khomo side last year. I only know winnaar, khuze, folokwe and one or two other Dale boys who played Border u13 and u16 with my son.
Google tells me:
Grens players…
3 Curtley du Preez
4 Henning Coetzee
5 Nico Grobler
6 Alno Schultz
8 Pierre Bester (captains them also)
9 Reinhardt Engelbrecht
12 Michael Brink
@CHS08:
It also tells me that he has played both scrumhalf & inside centre at Dale.
Forgive my ignorance but isn’t Siyamthanda Mgubo and inside center at Dale? Sibusiso Ngcokovane the captain plays scrumhalf at Dale!
@GCollege86: we cant complain about lack o experience I guess
@Playa: Of the regular 15 Dale 1st team players, 5 are u19.
@beet: Apparently one of the better Border sides of recent years. They’ll raise a few eyebrows and that Grens pack is solid.
GCollege86 will have a better idea of who plays where, off hand from what he has said before, I think:
Curtley du Preez Grens – prop
Henning Coetzee Grens – lock
Pierre Bester Grens – lock
Alno Schultz Grens – flank
Nico Grobler Grens – No 8
The no 9 and 13 I rate as good players. In the game against Selborne, their forwards were smashed.
Curtley du Preez Grens – prop
Henning Coetzee Grens – lock
Pierre Bester Grens – lock / no.8
Alno Schultz Grens – no.6
Nico Grobler Grens – lock
Backs
Reinhardt Engelbrecht Grens – Scrumhalf
Michael Brink Grens – Centre
@tredoux@fsrugby.co.za: Alright cool, thanks I wasn’t aware of that.
It’s going to be very interesting to watch this Border team at Craven Week. With 7 Grens players they are bound to be a bit of an unknown quality.
Can anyone confirm the Grens boys positions please
Tango Balikile Selborne – Hooker/Prop
Curtley du Preez Grens –
Kuhle Mokhoabane Dale – Prop
Siyavuya Mlwayo Queens – Prop
Sango Mtotywa Dale – Hooker
Henning Coetzee Grens –
Robert Lyons Selborne – Lock
Pierre Bester Grens
Alno Schultz Grens
Jason Steyn Selborne – No.8
Adrian Greig Selborne – Flank
Nico Grobler Grens –
Backs
Reinhardt Engelbrecht Grens – Scrumhalf
Siyamthanda Mgubo Dale – Scrumhalf
Morgan Steyn Selborne – Flyhalf
Michael Brink Grens – Centre
David Brits Selborne – Centre
Avela Jubase Queens – Centre
Luyolo Khuse Dale – Wing
Jerry Danquah Queens -Wing
Yamkele Nyalambisa Dale – Centre
Courtney Winnaar Dale – Fullback
@tredoux@fsrugby.co.za: ag nee andre… kry bietjie ‘n beter skuilnaam!!!
The Dale fullback is u19 already gents
@Knight_CHS07: He has the Sharks Academy bursary. Maybe that falls under ‘being contracted by another union’.
@CHS08: I have heard that the Grens boys picked are full value.
No Justerino Davids (Dale Fullback) !??
Wow…
Too many Grens players I don’t know why
FINALLY!!!