Both College and Glenwood come off losses in Pretoria over the weekend and would like nothing more that to get a valuable win under the belt when they meet on Goldstones this Saturday.
College lost 25-26 to Pretoria Boys High while Glenwood was beaten 10-28 by Affies.
For College, the painful experience of going down by a single point must have felt like déjà vu. College is not a school to cry over spilled milk but as a neutral one just has to feel for them knowing that 11 more points scored across the board in big games would have brought them five more victories – the kind of results that could have reshaped their season.
The feeling in the College camp is that Boys High was one of those games where crucial mistakes at times cost them dearly. Fighting back from being 23-11 at a stage, College scored two tries, the second near the death but it was a Pretoria Boys’ penalty in between the two dot downs that pushed the home team out of range and eventually sealed the deal. For College, flank Cameron Christie scored twice as part of a performance that was described as superb.
Looking ahead the fullback position is a concern at College. SA Schools player Jesse Kriel looks like he might not be available and finding a reliable replacement is therefore high on the priority list.
Glenwood struggled to get hold of the ball in their encounter with Affies. AHS turned this possession into points whereas Glenwood did not maximise on their own opportunities. Glenwood looked dangerous when they did have ball but their lack of finishing meant they did not get what they deserved out of the game points wise.
For this weekend, the Green Machine will be looking for improvement in a number of areas. Importantly they want to show character as a team. There is a strong feeling that for a talented group, this year’s team has not operated in top gear for long enough to make it meaningful. They also want to improve on overall offensive defence and be more accurate with ball in hand.
Last time out these two teams drew 16-all, an indication of how closely matched they are. Saturday’s derby carries one of those “not to be missed” tags. Spectators can look forward to a wonderful atmosphere and some passionate quality schoolboy rugby.
Maritzburg College Team:
15 J Alexander,14 C Muil,13 M Coetzee,12 M Janse Van Rensburg,11 B Ngwenya,10 L Booysen,9 J Rencken,8 R Smith (C),7 C Christie,6 N Muller,5 R Kamhoot,4 R Pieterse,3 M Khumalo,2 V Khatide,1 N Gumede
Glenwood Team:
15 U Makasi,14 D Stopforth,13 N Marwana,12 A Nela,11 S Ngcobo,10 W Potgieter,9 M Mkhabela,8 C Swart,7 M Mazibuko,6 R Kay,5 M Van Aardt,4 S Ngxabi,3 M Coetzee (C),2 K Westman,1 M Worral-Clare
Gungets – Greenblooded knows this site – he directed me here
have not seen any comments from him for a while – I know he is a ref – I see someone suggested he may have been the 1st ref at College ?? or maybe i misread !
Thanks for clearing that up. When I go through the1st team photos it looks like a safe put down but photos are not always the best way to view action. Individual photos can take things out of context but these moments make for some awesome photography.
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@CyndiAtRugby: It has to do with whether is is dangerous or not. I speak under correction from the knowledegable people here but there is no such thing as a “high tackle” but whether it is dangerous. However, if you lift a player up at all it is your responsibility to put him down. A Tip or Spear tackle is where you drive the man into the ground head and shoulders first and will get you an instant red card. Not returning a man to the ground safely (in a controlled manner) once lifting him is a yellow card. It goes without saying that the guy has to have the ball, and that your follow through must stop if he has passed the ball before the tackle – often a tough one to judge.
Good summary here – http://www.irblaws.com/EN/laws/4/15/during-the-match/tackle-ball-carrier-brought-to-ground/
@CyndiAtRugby: Hi Cyndi. As soon as the players legs hips are above his shoulders there is a problem but it does come down to how he is put down. My first reaction on Sat was that it was a penalty. Would not have given a card. I dont particularly like this law as it is very often a momentum thing and when I played I would have been sent off almost every game. Strictly speaking, was a penalty but I will give the ref the benefit of the doubt as he did not over react as the 2nd team ref did. Berry is a Dbn ref and the Indian fellow a PMB ref. The PMB ref reacted like he had been shot every time something happened and this eventually rubbed off on the boys. In the U15A game the PMB ref made a terrible mistake giving a penalty for being in front of the ball at a 22 kick off that floored College. Happens. I see in the Olympic hockey matches there are mistakes all the time so I guess we just have to live with it. Opinion: Every time we have had a Dbn ref I have had no complaints. PMB……………… http://schoolboyrugby.co.za/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif:mrgreen:
@All Black: Forgive me if I am wrong, is it not how the player gets put down on the ground that counts or is it about beyond 45 degrees? I have learnt much of my rugby rules from various TV commentators who are not possibly the best source
Quite frankly I wouldn’t like to ref half the games now a days, not only do you have to be super fit but you have to also take so much flack from people watching the game and seeing things from a broader viewpoint.
@Gungets Tuft: Geez Gunget. What was said by the U16C hockey player was 100% true. It all started in Durban and got worse in PMB. In PMB it did appear that he was more focused on swearing at his own players but when it got to 5-0 he lost it. In Durban it almost ended in a fight. Was actually quite warming seeing our tiny little black striker getting ready to defend the honor of his team mates mother.
@Gungets Tuft: he knows , i spoke to him yesterday so he is around
@Andre T: who are the same person???
@Gungets Tuft: greenblooded is the ref, or at least better than me
@Greenwood: I knew that .. sort of .. needed to check my mail. Just got my different shades of Green mixed up. Does Greenblooded even know where this blog is, haven’t seen him for a while?
Greenblood is a ref
@CyndiAtRugby: The second team match was an ugly affair, in my mind due to the ref not being up with play.
The langauge – no excuse for that and it probably makes what the Glenwood U16C hockey keeper said about the College mothers quite tame by comparison, and the abuse of the opposition players insignificant.
Are you and Greenhopper the same person?
@Gungets, nope not a ref, sometimes I wish I was
I am a coach though. I can’t comment on Durban vs Maritzburg refs, but surely there is no difference. Why would rules be any different 90km away. As long as the ref is qualified, physically fit, neutral and applies the same rules to both teams then we just have to accept their decisions otherwise there would be complete mayhem. It’s tough being a ref and they should be encouraged rather than slated, they are doing there best out there for minimal money. If there are serious errors in judgement then the headmaster or Director of Rugby should make an official complaint to the Soceity and they can then advise the particular ref to make changes going forward.
Sorry, 1st team game.
Have a look at smugshots.co.za. There is a picture of the tackle.
@CyndiAtRugby: Boys will be boys, maybe he fancied you and you couldn’t hear him well enough with the Glenwood band.
I want to compliment the College coaching staff (can’t remember but I think it was 2nd team). One of the players swore at myself and another photographer in a very graphic way. The coach took the boy away from the side of the field to discuss the matter. While the boy did not apologise, his body language indicated that he was sorry.
Apart from this incident, the College boys were polite and stood to greet the parents. One of the “ball boys” must have greeted me over 100 times during the day. It is good to see this type of behaviour. I would also like to compliment the security staff and cleaning staff. Often the area looks terrible after a day of rugby but I noticed they were even clearning the discarded strapping off the field. Well done College.
@CyndiAtRugby: Lifting in the U15B, head high and dropping him. The ref spoke to him but showed no card. 1st team, I didn’t see too much wrong.
No difference between PMB and Durban refs – every single ref on Saturday was a society ref. If you talk to Fly #1 he will tell you what he thinks of Durban refs.
I had an issue with trhe ref for the 2nds. He looked like he was carrying an injury, was way behind play and missed alot. That lead to the boys taking the laws into their own hands. He is a regular, blows a lot of College games but it is his worst game by a long way. He then ran the line for the 1sts.
I believe Greenhopper is a ref – he can perhaps add some clarity.
@CyndiAtRugby: Are you saying that the refs were just bad or one sided?
@Gungets Tuft: The ref blew the game 5 minutes short of that time i.e. first half was 25 minutes 2nd half was 20 minutes.
@Gungets Tuft: My issue was across the board in almost every game I watched. Some of the infringements included a kid in the U15B team tackling by kicking at shoulder level, props standing up in the scrum and numerous high tackles. I accept that there are many times the ref doesn’t blow because of playing advantage but it shouldn’t be for dangerous work. The lift in the 1st team game looked dangerous but how was the player put down? From where I was standing (in front of the College bench) the players around me commented how gently he was put down??? I am concerned that there seems to be a difference between Durban and PMB refs and that this is well known and openly discussed across many many schools. As a non-coach, non-ref I’m curious to know how this works.
A draw? How boring. When do you know there is something wrong with your union’s rugby?……..when you can’t even beat each other.
@Star, yep height is a serious issue in KZN rugby. It’s rare to see any locks over 6foot3, very strange that considering the Cape and Vaal seem to churn out 2m plus behemoths. I think even the Doops are only 193cm and 196cm respectively. Surely there are tall basketball kids who can be converted to rugby…
All Black- Did you enjoy the 50th? No good having a hangover with the GW band in full cry. I have also noticed that BS is not that much bigger than his peers these days. I was looking at Cyndi’s pictures when they played the English team and in the group picture at the end there were several English kids quite a lot taller than him. The reason I bring this up is that there was quite a lot of discussion on the current GK side and their lack of height compared to the other provinces. There was hope that next year there would be some improvement.This is Beet’s pet peev that our boys fall short in this regard(no pun intended)
@Gungets, yep that is what I will be doing when I return. Starting a petition to reduce the numbe of fixtures, allow the boys to recover properly and to enjoy the games they play. There is no way you can enjoy the game when you playing with niggles and sore bodies all the time. I would love to know what Tim Noakes would say about the Glenwood schedule. In fact, I might even ask his and other biokinetists opinions on this. Hopefully I can draw up a proper medical report and hand it over to the management at Glenwood and other schools seeking to expand fixture lists. In my day, which was only 16 years ago, we played a maximum of 15 games in a season, usually about 12. I am just really concerned that potential great talent is being lost due to burnout and injury. I suffered burnout myself in swimming when my coach made me swim about 4km a day! I started to hate swimming and moved to playing cricket. The coaches do need to learn to say NO!! We play our traditional 10 fixtures and then a few more at festivals and that is that….sorry
Ya Ya Ya.
Good luck for the weekend Glenwood. Time for College to take a break and get down to cricket again. Oh and athletics and soccer but will be taking a breather from the trips up the road.
@Grasshopper: The Glenwood coaching staff and sports department need to be told that, for every match the first 15 play, they have to run a 1/2 marathon (hell, even just 15km). Boys will not say no until their bodies collapse, and even then (check our Muller for College on Saturday) will carry on if they can walk. There is a nice single syllable word …. “NO” – when phoned for more fixtures.
Yep I think it is about the individuals. I watched the end of the U15 A game but did not wait to see the after match stuff. What did hit me was that I was used to seeing BS towering over the other players but it was actually difficult at times to find him as other boys in the teams have caught up height wise. I kept on thinking the center was him.
There was no aggro between the players that I saw other than a few pushes and chirps here and there in the 1st team. More a frustration and outburst after the one try and more amongst their own players.
That damn band did not help the hangover either. Wanted to throw that drum in the Duzi.
@All Black, mate I think you are speaking before knowing the facts. Glenwood have played 23 games to date with their 24th and last on Friday against Grey Bloem. One of the games in Argentina was cancelled so 3 were played and won there.
No Team Home or Away Date Points For Points Against W/L/D
1 Rosorio A 11/02/2012 12 5 W
2 Cordoba A 13/02/2012 12 5 W
3 Mendoza A 17/02/2012 59 14 W
4 Westville A 10/03/2012 9 13 L
5 Michaelhouse H 17/03/2012 14 13 W
6 Noord Kaap Pukke 29/03/2012 18 13 W
7 Framesby Pukke 31/03/2012 7 22 L
8 Potch Volkskool Pukke 02/04/2012 33 19 W
9 Monument Kearsney 05/04/2012 25 18 W
10 Dale College Kearsney 07/04/2012 24 24 D
11 Queens College Kearsney 09/04/2012 32 12 W
12 George Campbell H 14/04/2012 34 19 W
13 Hilton A 21/04/2011 19 18 W
14 Paarl Gim Wildeklawer 27/04/2012 25 35 L
15 Outeniqua Wildeklawer 30/04/2012 12 32 L
16 Northwood H 05/05/2012 20 8 W
17 Kearsney H 12/05/2012 14 20 L
18 Pinetown H 19/05/2012 74 0 W
19 DHS (OB’s Day) H 26/05/2012 34 9 W
20 College H 09/06/2012 16 16 D
21 Kirkham Grammar H 21/07/2012 33 5 W
22 Affies A 28/07/2012 11 28 L
23 College A 04/08/2012 27 27 D
24 Grey Bloem H 11/08/2012
Glenwood played 9 games in a month, between the 10th of March and 14th of April, absolute madness.
College have played 18 games in total, with one of those being stopped at halftime (Marlow), so that is 6 games fewer
17 March Northwood/VHS/Carter (H)
14 April PBHS (H)
21 April DHS (A)
5 May KES (A)
12 May Michaelhouse (A)
19 May Hilton (H)
26 May Westville (A)
2 June Kearsney (H) Reunion
9 June Glenwood (A)
21 July Affies (H)
23 July Dulwich College (H) 1st XV
28 July PBHS (A)
4 August Glenwood (H)
Festivals
Marlow Match abandoned. No result.
Bishops won 35-18
Grey High lost 24-25
Paul Roos lost 21-22
Diamantveld won 32-27
College have done well to start playing a few tougher fixtures which is great! I am hoping Glenwood can play a max of 18 games in 2013.
@All Black: I was at the Kent Pavillion corner so did not see a lot of the action close up. I can’t comment about the Glenwood team but I do know how “tight” the College side is. I don’t know if it is because my boy is in Clarks, so I see these guys off the field, but a number of things stand out for me. One is how humble and approachable the guys are. On a number of occasions I have been arriving or leaving Clarks and Jesse, Cameron have walked across instantly and offered help. To me, most notable was the number of times, while he was still taking goal kicks, that Jesse took the tee from the lightie running on, always gave him a tap on the shoulder as thanks. It’s a small thing but means the world to the juniors. Reegan has lead like that, it’s been great to watch.
As for aggro towards the ex-College guys, I did notice that there was nothing of that sort towards the U15 boy that left. A couple of the 3rd formers that I know are still firm friends with BS, no issues at all. Still chat to him often, BBM and F-book. I think kids get stirred up sometimes, but I reckon it is a result of external people stirring things up, thinking they are motivating, but in reality just getting a head of steam up. A head full of steam is seldom a cool head.
On that note, I have noticed nothing but decent behaviour from Steve le Marque, at Glenwood and at Goldstones. At Glenwood he got both teams into a huddle at the end, I ran away from the U15A on Saturday to watch my lightie play hockey, so did not see if the same happened.
That’s what we need, adults acting like adults, it is where kids learn from.
@Greenwood:agreed, was a good game, just like last year , where we thought we were done, and we came back in the 2nd half, this year we went to sleep and nearly lost it
thing i think is always these two schools for me have been the hardest, and against College , you know the dig deep and produce the un expected, unlike what All Black thinks , I have always respected and acknowledged college
was a great game , but going into the Grey game this Friday, please leave the team as it finishes, I think we might just need to add missing lock
@Gungets Tuft: That sentiment is so true. It is not about accepting a draw or anything like that but more about how you play the game. Something that stood out for a coach standing next to me for the game on saturday was the reaction from the two sides after tries had been scored against them. Most of the tries happened down our end and the College boys got together quietly and motivated each other whereas there appeared to be lots of finger pointing and complaining from the Glenwood boys. Is this pressure, frustration, belief or what? I saw the Ex College boy shouting at the College boys when they scored their 1st of the 3 2nd half tries. He seemed to lose it completely. Perhaps discipline is something that needs to be addressed? Not pointing fingers but did stand out.
@All Black: grow up ? that was meant in jest , and if you couldnt see that then you have to take a chill pill
Well done College for a magnificent fight back ! thougt it was done and dusted for Glenwood at half time
OK so both teams had injuries and key players missing – Glenwood went into a comfort zone and forgot they were playing College at Golstones
No excuses here but an observation – Glenwood had a Grade10 16 year old doing the kicking – he fluffed a sitter after a try under the posts – got put off when College ran at him when he tried to convert – quite legal to do so – ball went under the crossbar 2 points gone !
College converted a corner try from the sideline – Glenwood – same scenario but missed
Overall this was game was an emotional roller coaster for GW supporters in th2nd half – however we will take a draw against College at Goldstone anytime
Both College and Glenwood deserve to joint winners for Kzn best team(s) – M House had a clinical and “safe” season not too many games where College & GW ventured outside Kzn to take on other strong teams
@Greenhopper: And, one last thing before I earn my invoices – if I was a coach, or head of sport at a school, I would tell my teams to forget about the ratings. My dislike for them is no secret here, I think they are plain wrong, not going to rehash why. I would go so far as telling the players there will be special “afkak” sessions if I even heard someone mention them. Fighting comebacks like the two games against Glenwood this year should be more inportant than a rating. Glenwood beating Paul Roos (they did – yes?) should be a moment to remember, rather than an arcane rating (one of 3 different ones, all of them different!!).
My message to the College boys reading this – checking the spirit and comraderie on the field is the reward for me, not a spot on the ratings. Jimeloyo!!!
Grassy; The only difference between College and Glenwood fixtures was your tour to Argentina, otherwise they played the same amount of games. College also did not have games against Development and Pinetown sides that afforded rests etc. Get over it. College played Paul Roos, Diamantveld and KES in 7 days, all away. You make out that Glenwood was the only school that had a tough season. You guys have been saying the whole season that your 2nd team players are better than the 1st team so surely the injuries helped. Must say that your 2 wings were the best players on the field on the day. No excuses. Was a great game of rugby and we are proud of our College boys for the way they played the game and have hung in there this year when things didnt go their way.
Greenstones? Now why are you surprised that other schools dont like Glenwood with chirps like that Greenhopper? Its all about respect.
@Greenhopper: The minute difference between the talent brought through from Grade 8 and that bought in at grade 10 will be more than made up for by the teamwork and understanding that comes from playing together for 4 years. Add the sense of loyalty and passion that is built over 4 years and there is no contest. It does not even take 4 years.
One of the College U15A players is leaving College this year – his folks are moving to the Eastern Cape. You just had to witness the genuine emotion after the U15A game on Saturday to see how close these boys get after just 2 seasons. Double that – then tell me that passion does not beat size, speed and a sidestep.
How you handle the genuine “movers” that arrive at the school, I don’t know, but perhaps that is where the coaches need to skill up on their man-management skills. Don’t know the answers, just see the evidence. If the focus is put on developing the man first, rather than promoting the school, then I think there will be a huge change. It’s a subtle difference, but it’s the tightrope that schools and coaches walk.
if one looks at the build up for the 2nd team and the 1st team, I think the Nite series really assisted the 2nd team, , the 2nd team tour to Monnas was a great thing, these all new initiatives for Glenwood, and its has shown resulting both the 3rd Team and the 2nds, even a sprinkling in the 4ths
Remembering that GW normally concentrates only on its 1st team etc preseason etc. However both the 3rd Team and the 2nd Team haven’t lost games against any KZN teams this season, 2nd team going one better in beating Affies and the 3rds only just losing, but a bad ref call should have seen the win, but as results go both 3rds and 2nds have had amazing season, and it has to be attributed in my onion to the buildup into the season, I Know Kearsney did the Monnas Tournament.
But lots need to be said about how to build up in to the season with this approach. In terms of number of games, they are not to dissimilar to the 1st quantity , and to say that they played quality teams in the Nite series where they 1st teams , the results should have been better . but I think the better way they entered the season hints at the better results
@Gungets Tuft:like you have said, i agree , when scouts go out and scout and recruit these players, be becomes a trend to a spiral down.
If in analyzing GW this year ,yes the season was a up down affair, covered by negativity, but this was brought about by exactly your comments, scouts, now GW are a point , what do they do ??? for me the way to restore , Is to stick with the players from the 2011 u16a and the 2012 u16 a , they have the potential to really put a team together for next year that can attain the top spot
@ all black, I think what needs to be released here, is that Glenwood went into the game with 4 back line players missing , Vermaak, Coulson, Stopforth and Warren, during the game the backline lost another 2 players , one being Sparks. The hey , like College, scrambled and brought on 2 under 16 a players , who had just played a very hard and bruising game against the undefeated u16 a , by the way what happened to Slade , I see he got taken off.
Like you said, College this season wasn’t sacred to go into teams like the 3rds to look for players, Glenwood didn’t do this and this attitude by the Coaches during the season, has seen them unravel.
I have mentioned previously the imports have not favored Glenwood this season, and this past weekend has proven what I have been saying all season, Look how everyone commented on the backline ???, no one can now dispute that this was the approach that should have been taken since last year. Again it been said plenty 2nd team players should be in the 1st team, the u16 players that game on, performed extremely well
@ Grasshopper, , I agree , a more structured Season , possible a few lesser games, but I think they will continue in this vein, but a more ramped up preseason and games going into the peak of the season and then maybe play a touring team at season end I believe that the School then should play the top 5 ( 1st, 2nd,3rd,4th and 16 a) teams in a school close out see how the 4ths would do against the 1st team etc., also allow the Coaches to assess caliber of players for the coming year
@Grasshopper: On the number of games that schools play – I think the school heirarchy (all schools, not just Glenwood) had better take a serious look at how they relate sport to school. Rugby (and to a lesses extent cricket and hockey) could (or perhaps already has!) easily become the camel short of a single straw.
If for no other reason – there are many good ones – examine the negative impact when the school 1st team inevitably has a bad year, or looks like it might have a bad year. Then (and no – the Hopper family members here – I am not having a go at you at all) the scouts go out on a recruitment drive that brings in players but destroys teams, and drives a little stake into the heart of the school. Examine the balance, that’s all.
Glenwood have not had a bad year. It has been short of expectation, but what should we be looking at – results, or expectations?
Just saying…
@Horsie, look at the rankings from 2 weeks ago, http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=670:rugby-ranking-for-21st-july-2012&Itemid=19
Glenwood have since played 3 more games. Based on this list only Waterkloof has played as many the rest are in the lower to mid teens…..basically 5 games too many…
@Horsie, let me say it laymans terms, 21 games in a season is too much no matter what season. It’s about 3 games more than last season. Also, comparing Grey Bloem to Glenwood is unfair, it’s like comparing the Sharks to Boland, they are in a different league. Glenwood played 3 tournaments, Kearsney, Pukke and Wildeklawer, no other school did that many. Michaelhouse did well this season because they only played about 12 games and planned the schedule nicely. Basically Glenwood played too much and the side was not as good as the previous 5 years. I think next year they need to plan the schedule properly so play a few easier games up front and ease into the season. As a DHS supporter it’s only obvious you enjoy Glenwood having an average season and don’t see past hectic schedule……think boet…
@Grasshopper:
i think the most important thing you said there was ‘it is self inflicted’. coaches pick these games because they see their players as good and fit enough to cope! Glenwood was pretty average from the word GO at the beginning of the season! also, they are not the only school that plays so many games, Grey have done it many times and have produced the goods every year besides this one.
besides the Argentina tour which most of your 1st team players didnt go to, what else has been added since last year!
when a team is average you simply concede so and stop trying to find excuses!
@Horsie, 21 games in a season, well that is probably 6 to 10 more than DHS played. Also, it’s not just about the number of games it’s the quality of the opposition, Paarl Gim, Affies, Grey Bloem, Outeniqua, Framesby, Monnas, Queens & Dale to name a few. Jeez, boet think before you make stupid claims that a long season has nothing to do with form……it is self inflicted but parents and Old Boys have no say in this. I would definitely reduce the number of games and also play a few more easy games. Glenwood have played half of the top 20 with 4 of those being Top 10…….a much harder season than any other KZN team….
@grasshopper
Glenwood are not at College 150 next year and I think will stay at Kearsney.
College have had way too many injuries this year, way more than any oppositon coach would ever wish them!
They deserve to be applauded for how well they’ve done under these circumstances!
As for glenwood, the long season was a self inflicted madness and they are paying for it! Also, very few 1st XVV boys went to Aargentina, that squad was mostly 2nd, 3rd and u16A and we all know how well the 2nd team has done this year ! The excuse of a long season is therefore an invalidd one for you.
@Grasshopper: College play Glenwood on Reunion day next year.
@Gungets, it’s a given that College will scrap to the end on Goldstones. There is a 16th man aura there so Glenwood should have expected a fight back! Well done to College, lots of character shown there. BUT is shows Glenwood have not learnt from the Dale game to close the game out once ahead. Last year Glenwood had the problem of not playing for the full 70 mins and it seems the same this year. I think the only time Glenwood did play the full 70 mins was against Queens College, probably the best game of the season for us. Glenwood too did a College against Paarl Gim, outscoring them in the 2nd half at Wildeklawer. With 2013 being College’s 150th celebrations there will again be lots of pressure to perform, but you have a very talented bunch of Under16’s coming through who should step up to the plate. I hope Glenwood do get to play either at the College Festival, if not at Kearsney, or the main game on your Old Boys/Founders day……but it’s likely to be DHS your oldest rivals…
@Grasshopper: Nobody is making excuses, but it does put the argument to the “Glenwood threw it away” comments. Just asking for a little credit where it is due. A look at the postings, not a single “credit” to College anywhere except a hint from Fly #1. Not sure whether to take that as a compliment to College that people simply expect, or as a trifle myopic (if someone beats Glenwood then Glenwood must have played badly or the ref must have been biased).
The injuries to the College players had the management team scrambling though, the 2nds were on their way to the stands when suddenly 3 of them were being ripped out and kitted up again. Some frantic moments there, so must congratulate them on scrambling well. I suppose it is possible to plan for it, but who anticipaes that sort of attrition.
It was one of the better matches I have watched this year, Glenwood pace and flair vs College grunt and grind. It is hard to see where Glenwood would have been better with their two wings, Alexander did a standout job in place of Jesse. It’s a truism that each team had their first choice players on the field, who would leave a better available player benched???
Nobody should have walked away disappointed from a great game a SBR.
@All Black, I agree with most of your points, but Glenwood too had some serious injuries, both our KZN wings out, Coulsen and Vermaak. Not sure what happened to lock Viljoen, maybe he played 2nd’s. There were other injuries for sure, it’s part and parcel of a long tough season. I never thought College would make excuses, anyway. The English side Glenwood played, Kirkham were probably the strongest of all the touring English sides, beating a good SACS team in Cape Town. Kirkham will most likely beat Dulwich, but won’t play them due to playing in different leagues. College must have played a junior/stayers side against Dulwich for the game to have been that close. Glenwood have now played 20 local games and 4 in Argentina, so 24 in total!! Crazy! Our last game is against Grey Bloem of Friday and they have just pumped a weakened Kearsney 58-10, it doesn’t get any easier does it. In summary, Glenwood season was far too hectic and we need to reduce the games to about 15 or 16 in 2013 and allow the boys to rest more. Well done to College and to Jesse Kriel in particular. A real pity his brother Dan got injured so early on as he probably would have made SA Schools too….
My word. I came on the site to see some scores and have to say I got a bit irritated. Grassy, no controversy at College. Just an incredible amount of crucial injuries. Cyndi, there were mistakes made by some of the refs all day. No more controversial than the U15 A penalty against College in the last minute for being in front of the ball for a 22 drop out. College were still wondering what was going on and Glenwood tapped and scored. Ref admitted mistake afterwards but it would have been a College win. Lets accept that it was honest mistakes.
May are saying Glenwood 1st team threw it away? How about saying well done College for a great fight back after some awesome backline play by Glenwood. On the day College lost Kriel to in jury, Rencken to flu, Bamber for discipline and that is on top of all the other injuries. 1st minute we lose our only pace man left and goal kicker Coetzee followed by Booysen and Muller having to limp through most of the game. To have some previous 3rd team players on the field and come through adversity like that shows a team that is close, happy and together. 2 draws, 3 1 point losses and a final minute dubious penalty against MHS is the story of the season. I believe any lesser side would have perhaps crumbled under this type of season. 8 more points in a season and you have 5 more wins. Could destroy many teams. I thought Glenwood countered brilliantly on the day and used the fact that College had limited pace out wide. College were just awesome in their never say die attitude to lead with 3 minutes left after being 22-6 down. All in all a great day of rugby and hockey and I fail to see any negatives. Both teams have come off huge fixtures over the last few weeks. College had Affies, Dulwich and PBHS. Glenwood had Affies and a weaker English side. Give these boys their due, they gave their all and that is what counts.
@Grasshopper: Next year is …. over there somewhere. Will meet that when it gets here – predictions are for sangomas.
Hockey – yeah, didn’t watch the second 1/2, but it was 1-1 so no arguments with the report.
@Gungets, hockey report from Glenwood, http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/GLENWOOD%20HOCKEY%20vs%20MARITZBURG%20COLLEGE_0.pdf
Not a bad season from College but nothing vintage, let’s say steady and heading in the right direction. For me, Glenwood need to go back to the drawing board, keep the boys in contention for next year happy, don’t bring in new players and maybe a fresh coaching group…….it’s been a hard pill to swallow from the Marne debacle, to Tom and then losses to Kearsney & Westville……not a great year, but hopefully we learn and move forward. Methinks College and Glenwood will be fighting it out for 3rd and 4th in KZN next year…
Jeeez – did Grey Bloem really beat Kearsney 58-10!!!
@Grasshopper: I haven’t seen for myself, lots of people are saying the 1st Glenwood hockey at home are difficult to beat but they travel really badly. Don’t know what the results show. Kearsney are a good side, beat College 1-0 at Papes.
Only other results I have are U14A College won 7-1, U16C College won 4-0.
Don’t know the overall off-hand, would have to go back and see, all the festival results make it harder to check. I remember losses to Grey High, Paul Roos, Kes, Affies, PBHS, Kearsney and House. Draws to Glenwood, wins against Hilton, DHS, Westville, Northwood, Diamandveld, PBHS. Cannae have the energy to do the numbers now.
This season for College will be one of injuries. By the end of the match today we had replaced another 3 players with injury, 29 players used in the year I think. Made team testing a nightmare!!!. Hard to build any real continuity but hats off to the boys. There has never been a moment when they were not willing to go to war for each other, each new oke was just swept up and did the job. It was one of those years when the supporters just knew that we would field 15 Black, Red and Whites and that they would do College proud. Any minute bits of discord are dealt with in private. I think that has a huge amount to do with Reegs and his style of man-management, and the leadership of thoroughly decent men like Jesse, Marcel, Cameron C. .. in fact all the senior okes.
Glenwood vs College
Points for: 325
Points against: 430
This is far better than in previous years away at College. Avg score 14-19, showing how close the schools are…
Glenwood vs College results; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/vs%20College%204%20Aug_0.pdf
Played: 23
Won: 8
Lost: 13
Drew: 2
For me the exciting thing is the closeness of the results away from home after a very heavy and hard fixture the week prior to argubly the best schoolboy rugby school in the country away from home…..Go Green!!!
@Gungets, weird that cos the Glenwood side dominated most of KZN early season. I think since a close loss to Kearsney it’s been down hill. A pity because Sibbald is class and probably needed some more class around him.
@Gungets, what was the overall season results for College eg played, won, lost, drawn? I think Glenwood have also had that sort of season, full of controversy, chopping, changing and just no synergy achieved. One positive for me is the backline in the last few games with youngsters coming back and combining with the Under16 group and of course Vermaak. He will be vital for Glenwood in 2013. I just can’t wait to watch some games next year and hopefully be at the Kearsney festival. It will be great to meet you guys and have a couple of cold ones and a laugh over these blogs….
@Grasshopper: Left my hockey team sheet at the school so cannot check the names of the Glenwood players. I only watched the first 1/2 then went to watch some rugby, at that stage it was 4-0 and all College. Glenwood had managed a single shot near goal but were, to be blunt, pretty much dominated.
@CyndiAtRugby: Oh, and the game was announced as a 50 minute game, 25 minutes each way. It was the only way to fit all the games in without starting at 7:00am.
@Greenhopper: The Glenwood back line was superb. I am not sure I have seen a better try than the one that started in your 25m and went through 6 sets of hands like lightening – unplayable.
I think College deserve a little bit of credit for coming back. From 6-22 to 27-22, only to concede the late try, there has to have been something done right by College. Very disrupting injuries to Coetsee and Booysen but the boys did nocely. Pressure stuff from Alexander and a really good prospect for next year.
Colleges year, eeisch. What could have been. On the way home I counted 11 points that could have changed the season. 1 each in the Glenwood games, 2 each against Paul Roos, Grey High and PBHS, 3 against Michaelhouse. That is how close College were to another 3 top wins. Story of schoolboy rugby in KZN this year I suppose.
@CyndiAtRugby: Not sure what you mean about the rules interpretation. I was suprised to see the lift tackle by Glenwood not punished by a yellow at least – in open rugby it would have been a mandatory red. The yellow for the kick was about right, not sure if that was where your issue was.
Was a great day , it was a game GW gave away , the u16a full back that played a game and then started for the 1st , what a play maker ,only mistake was his first kick as a conversion , charged down , , I have never seen the backline play like this , was like watching the affies backline against us last weekend , speed , hand skills and defense, they did the basics so right to score the tries, and we have found the kicker in the new 16a , please leave this backline like this for the grey game,
@Gungets Tuft: GW 3rd won , 1st we gave away
@gungets
Well done College!
1st XVs are truly equal!!! U16A, well what can you say!! Truly amazing side from College 2 and a half seasons unbeaten(hopefully dhs u14s can do the same. From next year on)
Glenwood u15s do seem a bit. Disjointed but well done to them!!
In the u14s Glenwood will still see the season as a success despite the draw. To an OK college side. The only way they’ll beat Grey is if they get the same ref who refd them vs DHS…
Only joking!
@Gungets, sounded like a great day out and Glenwood doing pretty well away from home. It also sounds like the Glenwood 1st team let another big lead go again, just the story of our season really. 3 draws in 20 games and 2 against College, who would have thought. The worst lead we gave away was the Dale College game. Something seriously missing there, either leadership on the field or lack of gees! In the hockey did Sibbald (SA Schools) and Naidoo (SA Schools B) play? Glenwood’s hockey results have dipped in the last few weeks. As for the 2nd team, what was the issue there? They have now gone unbeaten in KZN, well done boys….
U15B was 8 – 5 to College and the game was cut short by 5 minutes. Generally it was a great day of rugby with good sportsmanship but some interesting rule interpretations. Will be going through the many many many photos and uploading
Oooh and I got tea but no sticky buns
Hellova day at College. Cannae remember the exact scores for the teams
1st – 27 all
2nd College lost (and I will not be drawn into any further comments on that game because this is a family show)
3rd College lost (I think, narrowly)
4th College won
5th College won
6th College won
U16A College won
U15A Glenwood won 14 – 10 with a converted try in the last 2 minutes)
U15B College won either 10-7 or 13-10 – Guy Rodseth slotting a long range penalty on his birthday :-))
U14A – draw, 10 all(??), College missing a conversion on time
Hockey – 1st – College won 5-1
Ja, it was before rucking was stopped. Everything was allowed and you knew that if you were on the wrong side then you were part of the grass. You think they roll away quickly now or there is a penalty. We had a penatly back then too, it was the death penalty!!
I was a loose forward, except we did not call them flanks, we called them organ donors.
@Gungets, my toughest game was Wentworth, Jaguars, Vryheid, Port Shepstone and Westville Prison Police……sheez, those were dodgy games and very dirty….Maritzburg Varsity was a soft game for us…..
@Andre T: Blarneys used to play at The Barn. Was sure it waswhat is now the Riverside Hotle, but could have been the Wagon Wjeels Hotel in Florida Road.??? .. Not a Durbs boy growing up, so ask me about Maritxburru and you are on.
Dirty play – nothing like the Zululand League with Empangeni Cops, Richards Bay, Jozini Defence, Melmouth … eeeisch. Before the game they used to check you for weapons. If you didn’t have any they used to send you to find some …
@Andre T: no BB played at another hotel, slippers /Robert e lee and etc was just down the road from DHS , Bonkers Hotel Cal, Warehouse in the Harbour Shunters by old station , cant remember the name of the place right now
hahaha, nope that is 80’s……another dodgy place full of fights and rampant Durban girls. I actually almost had a run in with Nathan Sharpe the Aussie lock. He is much smaller than you think. He decided he liked my girlfriend at the time and I didn’t like that….
@Grasshopper: Is that the upstairs place right next to Kings Park where the bouncers looked like FBI agents with earpieces and all?
What about Rovers after a Natal game, jeez plenty of para’s there….especially interschool para’s….
@Greenhopper: What was that hotel or place called where the Blarney Brothers used to perform? Got drilled there as well. Don’t know why people always want to hurt me. I’m such a happy-go-lucky bloke.
@Grasshopper: And for myself?
@Andre T, HAHAHAHA, I actually asked the plastic surgeon to sort me out whilst he was sorting the mess ;-). Mr Dumas at Entabeni is a miracle worker, go there if your wives/girlfriends want enhancements….
@Andre T: Warehouse , what Place , Robert E Lee, Chris Caves, Shunters
@beet: I’m surprised he got a wife after all the plastic surgery…..or maybe that helped?
@Beet, I couldn’t play contact rugby again after that, only touch. The docs said no way. It was so funny when doing check up’s with the plastic surgeon I was in the room with about 10 woman who had boob jobs. The story was front page news and the police got involved. Night Fever was almost shut after that but they claimed no responsibilty because of signs saying ‘enter at your own risk’. Not sure who runs the drug scene in Durban now but the Greeks did back then….
@Grasshopper: Geez Hopper that’s a hectic story. I’m surprised you carried on playing even social rugby after that
@Grasshopper: Beet doesn’t believe me but I got stuffed up badly one night at The Warehouse. I couldn’t get my contact lens out of my eye for 2 days it was closed that badly. It looked like a few wasps had stung me.
@beet: You can ask Robert du Preez about Andre Stoop. He was smallish in stature but like a bull dog. There used to be this ‘meanie’ at a Potch hangout, Die Impala, one night after a SWA/W Tvl game this meanie wouldn’t let Stoop into the place cause he was drunk. It was like a Guy Fawkes display over in a few seconds with Stoop walking into the place with his beer still in hand.
Robert himself a moer-eers-praat-later type, I think the twins would have enjoyed his old school, Potch Tegnies.
@Andre and Beet, lets just say I know first hand about rough tactics in rugby, well off the field cowardly rugby. In 2000, I played a high level club game and there was a scuffle on the field as the opposition claimed I rucked one of their players in the face. I have never been a dirty player so if I did ruck a face it was unintentional. Anyway, we did the usual drinks after the game, got into our number 1’s and headed to Night Fever. In Night Fever late in the evening I was at the bar having a beer and suddenly a felt a pain go down my neck, the flippin buggers hit me with a bar stool and then started to smash my face into the marbel bar counter shattering my jar and whole face. The whole club erupted and bouncers were getting beaten, the guy I rucked was the brother of a Greek Mafia guy in Durban and they decided to show who is boss. I ended up lying on a car outside with my whole face completely smashed it. I ended up needing reconstructive surgery, about 6 ops in total and lost tons of weight due to my jaw being wired. It’s a long story but shows that sometimes on field shenanigans can overflow to off the field and becomes quite serious. I was very very lucky I had medical aid and a great surgeon. Those guys all met their match later on, one being killed by the Lebs in Joburg and the other is in prison in Ireland. Durban was a pretty hectic place back then…
@Grasshopper: Ras van Rooyen field aka The Krugersdorp Colosseum aka Gazebo Gangland but I like Bloedbad too.
@Andre T: Ja I remember Adri. He was a really good player but had a very short fuse. I can still visualise the Losper incident, with Losper’s jersey over his head and Geldenhuys flinging the punches.
I think Johan Beyers mentioned Losper’s teammate Andre Stoop and an incident in a W/Tvl bar.
@Andre T: I might have told you this one before. A guy I worked with played club rugby up in Pretoria in his day (flyhalf). During a game he landed a wild punch in the ruck before going back to his position. When play came to a halt it was none other than Kallie Knoetze feeling his cheek and demanding to know who had hit him. Kallie’s teammates IDed the puncher straight away. At halftime the flyhalf asked his mate to get all his gear out the changeroom and take it to his car. As soon as the final whistle sounded, he made a bee line to the car and sped away from the scene.
@beet: I forgot about Elstadt, he is a monster. The worst ever must have been Adrie Geldenhuys, the king of the Liverpool Kiss. In the space of 3 games he nutted Dolf de Bruin(Western Transvaal), Sarel Losper(SWA) and Rob Hankinson(Natal) and hardly ever got sent off.
@Andre T, what ‘interschools’ derby? ;-) They love to hype it up being the biggest schoolboy match in the world, well I’m sure any school could get that many people to a derby if they had the use of a bigger stadium, but others schools believe in history and playing on the traditional field at home eg Goldstones at College and Dixons at Glenwood. Not sure what the Monnas field is called….bloedbad maybe?
@Grasshopper: I’m so irritated with that Paarl Derby hype on 365 I can SCREAM.
@Andre T: Danny Grewcock!!!
I think Elstadt and Flip vdM could be on your list as well.
@Andre T, HAHAHA, yep Corne learnt from his Boishaai upbringing ;-)
@Grasshopper: Martin Johnson, a mongrel himself, regards Krige as the dirtiest oke he ever played against.
@beet: My son played golf the other day with Tony Watson’s son and we walked along and relived when he ran around Theo v Rensburg in CC final and how that silly tackle of Uli Schmidt ended his career.
Sometimes I actually miss the era when punch-ups were order of the day. I wonder who would have been the meanies of today’s game? Definately Etsebeth, Duane Vermeulen, Bismarck, Coenie, Dean Greyling. I also think Bresler could be a dark horse.
really dont seem to have direction
should never have Played Coulson last weekend, redid the injury , this is where the coach should be held responsible , and the physio , if he is supposed to be the qualified jerk with offices and med center at the school, he should have done the proper assessment on the boy ,This guy has added no impetus to the team since Rust has been demoted , and maybe this is a contributing factor to team performance since last year , as he was a asset in the set up last year
no out and out speed ,again on the flanks, no small quick player with a low center of gravity to get there and secure ball or slow it down while remaining on his feet , till support arrives.
Simply no logic to the set up and selection of the team, trying just to out muscle the opposition, and watch the kicking mistakes this weekend, any bit of wind and we will be disastrous sin this are, and lose ground,
Put StopForth at Full back, his countering is amazing , bring Sparks up and on the wing , speed is what will be needed, one just has to see how he played Affies, the only one that had them guessing and missing tackles, , Bring Vusi or Jacque on as Flank and please drop Kay , I won’t go to where I think Makasi should be , but him as pivot with StopForth running up and with good lines as well as Spark, man be imaginative , we can see there is no backline coach here , really really
@Andre T: I remember Jacques well. Left wing with a good step but don’t remember the incident. Must have missed the game. I remember a nasty one involving Wahl Bartman kicking the Bulls scrummy Christo Ferreira out of anger.
@Andre T, yes I have that tour on DVD. Morne Du Plessis flooring the All Black was a classic. Other mongrels in the Bok jersey were James Dalton, James Small, Francois Pienaar, Corne Krige and of course Johan Le Roux…
@beet: Remember Jacques du Plessis? The youngest brother of the famous Dups, he punched Burger Geldenhuys from behind and ten took off zig-zagging across Boet Erasmus with about 5 Bulls chasing him.
@Andre T: That was one of my fav players Graeme Hefer doing the running in that Cavaliers game. I think Wayne Smith played for the NZC team that evening.
@Greenwood: That’s not a punch up – for a few moments there I thought the Kearsney oke was going to slip him the lizzard.
The boys must remember the 47-10 win on Goldstones a few years back to show what can be done there. It must be College’s biggest loss on Goldstones ever…
@Grasshopper: Show me those videos, don’t believe it I remember the 84 Cavaliers tour match against Natal, when the punches started flying the Natal okes ran, think the same happened against the 74 Lions.
@Greenwood: Kept on waiting for this huge fracas and all I kept seeing was unfit boys walking from one phase to another.
My whip called, ‘ WE-NEVER-WALK-ON-A-RUGBY-FIELD’, would have worked overtime on Monday afternoon.
@Andre T, don’t be fooled mate KZN schools have also had plenty of argy bargy and hand bags over the years. In 1994, I think, the 2nd team game between Glenwood and DHS had to be blown early due to parents, the ref and boys getting into a full on barny on the field. It’s standard procedure at some other schools like Grosvenor on the Bluff. The Hilton vs Glenwood fixture was put of ice for 5 years due to some altercation at Hilton, not sure the full story but both headmasters agreed to a 5 year break in rugby fixtures……luckliy the fixture started again this year
@Greenhopper: Not quite all the Open sides. The 7ths play on Snows (just down one from Goldstones) and the 8ths on Nicholsons. It’s a time thing – they just cannot fit them all in – Goldstones is in use from 8:30 all the way through.
Wonder what happened to the 9ths?? (nicknamed the Nicotine Ninth’s .. hahha). Hell, I remember a 10th side in my days – the star was a guy named Trevor Anley who eventually played pro-soccer. He used to just dribble the ball through for his tries.
Andre T -, never realized it was 77 seconds – firsts 10 were of interest
@Grasshopper: Was expecting real life anger with pushing and shoving and wrestling. You should see some videos from Pretoria East schools. Parents, players, coaches, old boys all having a go. Not nice though but compared to Greenhops attempt……..please.
It looks like Natal schools are falling behind with everything
@Andre T, agreed. All boys will try off the ball stuff at some stage in their careers. Most annoying part was the Kearsney mother shouting in the background. Hopefully next year once I am back in SA I can post some proper video clips in HD, maybe using Vimeo…
@Greenwood: Must be the most boring 77 seconds I’ve ever watched. What was your point?
What happened to the tall lock Viljoen? Why play Westman, it’s going to wrile College even more……! Where is our fetcher? Meintjies? Like the backline though :-) Coulsen and Vermaak still injured?
something different here – boys will be boys – picked up on a you tube video Google “you tube video Kearsney – Glenwood attempted punch up” – I’m not posting this to incite our most respected friends up on Bothas Hill – but rugby is rugby & this adds a little spice to the game
Maritzburg College Team:
15 J Alexander,14 C Muil,13 M Coetzee,12 M Janse Van Rensburg,11 B Ngwenya,10 L Booysen,9 J Rencken,8 R Smith (C),7 C Christie,6 N Muller,5 R Kamhoot,4 R Pieterse,3 M Khumalo,2 V Khatide,1 N Gumede
Glenwood Team:
15 U Makasi,14 D Stopforth,13 N Marwana,12 A Nela,11 S Ngcobo,10 W Potgieter,9 M Mkhabela,8 C Swart,7 M Mazibuko,6 R Kay,5 M Van Aardt,4 S Ngxabi,3 M Coetzee (C),2 K Westman,1 M Worral-Clare
@beet: they had trials on Tuesday , hear some 1st team players are now featuring in 4ths, but dont expect muct changes, Pina is 2nd team Westman 1st , will help build stress as he is ex -college and has lots to prove but then so do they
I must say one thing i truly respect about Colllege, ALL the OPEN sides play on Gold ( green) stones,
GW are loosing the plot here and dont reward the OPENS for years of school loyality by playing u14 and u15 on this after the 5th 4th and 3rds ,
SHOCKING
@All Black: i hear it had been renamed a few years back to GREENSTONES, and the DIXONS “B’ Field
I am sure you have it all wrong
Both teams will be wanting to make a point after losses in Pretoria – Glenwood do have injuries as do College – but if Jessie Kriel is not playing – any slight advantage that Glenwood would have had is nullified by Goldstones – awesome and indimitdating – Jessie Kriels’ high up and unders at Dixons was something I had not seen in SBR for some years – I will be there to soak up the atmoshere and to enjoy what should be a tight game
@Grasshopper: I’ve had College’s for a few days but nothing from Glenwood, which is unusual coz they are usually quick at getting it thru. Injury concerns tho.
Bert aka Cookie Monster; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUFxaauNTE
C is for Cookie that is good enough for me!!
@All, any idea of the team lineups?
@All Black: What is new fullback Alexander’s first name please? And is he u17 or u18?
@Greenwood: Ha Ha Greenwood. Let me help you out. It is the home of red black and white. A quiet patch of grass called Goldstones that inspires both teams to play like they have never played before. We look forward to hosting you all tomorrow and may it be hard, fair and everything special that is SBR.
OK guys – forget about rowing and CPR’s – I heard there is a game of rugby at some school in Maritzburg – cant remeber the name – something about one of the best SBR rivalries in the country –lets focus on this
Dont want to be seen as racist but I am very impressed with China. They are winning so many golds and they use the same guy for every event. Very talented.
@Gungets Tuft: Ha Ha. There is a saying amongst my mates. If any of us need CPR at any stage and it is just us around, the man must die well.
My last on the swimming thing for now.
1. Bugger. Chad is going to kill me with these fast finishes. He has to stop that!!
2. What a talent this lightie is. How good is he going to be in 2016??
Now, go and watch this video of Mrs Phelps during that 200m Fly. Can’t help myself but have a little chuckle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTnc90ILygI
@greenhopper
While J.G is a good player and made non travelling reserve for KZN, I don’t think it’ll be much of a loss. BTW, he isn’t the cappie, jaco has been that since u14
@Grasshopper: his voice has been compared to the Cookie Monster’s
Good old Burt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYa0r43Xn-8
Huge hit in the UK, kept on saying ‘look at him, he is beautiful, I love him’! He is also so steriotypically Saffa, big beer boep, heavy accent and full on fun…
@All Black: Yep. It’s Red, Black and White, not Tom, Rick and Sizwe.
Go College.
@All Black: Correct. The commentator made his name gat!!.
Kept on referring to Australia making a late run, then went all schtum when the captions came up.
At that stage the housekeeper in my place thought she was going to have to give me CPR. (She’s a good woman, but I would rather be left to die!!)
@All Black: I see that le Clos old man has become quite a hit in London.
Ok. Over this now. Commentators must wake up. Le Clos hardly mentioned in the race and lucky to win and now these idiots cant recognize SA.
@All Black: Glenwood also struggling with injuries so delayed announcement of their team.
@Gungets Tuft:
(about the heart attack bit)
@Gungets Tuft: Few guys battling with niggles. Will be able to confirm tomorrow but no worries. This is College.
@All Black: Who is out of the squad now?
@All Black: For Sure. http://www.london2012.com/rowing/event/lightweight-men-four/index.html?v=20120802-130241595
There will be replays. Sizwe Ndlovu, the stroke for South Africa was exceptional. Over 2000m we won it by .25 of a second. Even the commentators could not believe it was SA, kept calling Asutralia till the captions came up. I nearly had a heart attack.
Seems that College have a few injury issues. Love it when this happens as you have 15 College boys hitting that field with no heroes.
@Grasshopper: Not the same Warren Green. This one was born in probably 62 or 63.
@Gungets Tuft: Are you being serious? We got another gold?
@Gungets, I’m sure there was more involved and the same goes for the other moves I spoke about. In the end I am not close enough to it to be sure and don’t actually really care. The parents in the end make the decisions. All I want is some standards and openess in all these movements. Kids move all the time and have done so for years with all schools benefitting or losing out, we just want honesty and openess in the communication, that is all. I would never condone dodgy dealings. Well done the lightweight 4’s amazing achievement!!! Very proud!
@Grasshopper: There is a lot more to the story of the kid that left College this year. Everyone knows it. Whitewash it as much as you like. The recruiter knew what was happening at the time, approached the family with an offer, and there you go. I don’t agree with poaching, but then I don’t live in a glass house …
@star: In the US and Australia they do the same as here. There are certain strong schools at swimming and they all gather there. I will concede though because I don’t feel like doing the research.
@Gungets Tuft: Boxing only starts next week
South Africa — GOLD!!!! in the mens lightweight fours rowing. What a race!!!!
@Andre T, we don’t need an overgrown hooker who will be caught up in size by Under21 level, we already have Bissie, Burden and the animal Kyle Cooper, Glenwood Old Boy….
@Grasshopper: You okes should have bought Marx when he first started mauling KZN opposition.
@Andre, agreed and it’s only going to get worse until the headmasters agree to some sort of standards here. Some say Glenwood poached the College Under15 kid, but he was offered a bursary in grade 7 and then decided to take it up in grade 9 after a year at College. The offer was still on the table and his parents took it up. Very different to actively recruiting our captain! If I was the Glenwood headmaster I would kick up a huge stink. Anyway, it seems its going to happen and schools relationships will get soared unfortunately. Maybe KZN schools will end up only playing at festivals and against schools from other provinces because of this…
@Grasshopper: This neighbour poaching is nonsense, it’s like visiting your brother’s wife when he’s away. Rather go to Border or KES, but never shit on your doorstep.
@Andre T, it’s disgusting from Hilton. They have now poached Calvin Smith (ex Glenwood Grant Khomo Under 16 fullback), Cameron Wright (Westville scrumhalf) and now our Under16 captain. Andy everybody bangs on about Glenwood buying. For some reason because it Hilton it’s OK. Maybe Glenwood and Westville should refuse to play them because of this, see how they feel. It’s seems poaching in grade 10 is OK but grade 11 in a no no, ask Westville and Marne about that….double standards in KZN…
@star: Can’t believe Hilton stole Glenwood’s captain
Andre T- Polo!!!!!. You see even Hilton postmatrics can engage with the OB boy
Gungets- Nothing personal. Just credit where it is due. Westville did have 3 swimmers at the 2012 Olympics(should have been 4 with Chad Ho) and I honestly believe that no Aussie or Yank school can match it. Just think about the number of Yank male swimmers at the Olympics and the number of schools in the USA. Not so far fetched.
@star: MARCO!!!!!
@Grasshopper: Still can’t believe we lost to you okes. Even in our worst years that’s unthinkable. Surely we would have thumped College and Westville?
@Star, if it’s the same Warren Green (Glenwood 1996) then I know him from school and very good mates with him. He worked for Tony Jackson for a while, went into car sales and now a Medical Rep. Is that the same one? He played KZN tennis with Marc Roberts and co…
With regards to swimming I think Grey Bloem are probably on a par with achievements, they had Ryk Neethling and co. Westville have been great for a decade, well done. Other schools are going to focus on this too so it will be very difficult for Westville to stay on top. Just imagine if Grey Bloem focussed on it…..eish!
@Andre T, gosh to be 2nd to KES at Jukskei must eat you alive. It’s an Afrikaner sport, how can souties beat you at your own sport…
Glenwood will be taking up Jukskei next year so watch out we will be breathing down your necks…
@star: I didn’t compare Westville to Clifton at all, I used them as an example of what can be accomplished with focus and money (lots of it) in a very short time.
You keep taking this personally but it is not that way at all. I admire Westville for their swimming achievements (but the first in the WORLD .. eeeisch, the Aussies, Yanks etc will eat that one alive). I thought you meant that Westville had 3 swimmers at the 2012 Olympics – that would have been something.
Agree about Chad – my daughter knows him and he is a very humble young man.
@Grasshopper: We’re lying 2nd behind KES.
Who was that oke again that wanted to tackle you into the cabbage patch?
@star: Marco
Grassy- How do you know Warren Green? I think you called me a ballie once and he is older than me. Great family friends. I am not denying that it is easier to get a good set-up in swimming as opposed to say rugby. But that should not distract from what has been achieved. Winner of the Midmar mile for over 15 years, unbeaten nationally for 5 years, 90 % of records, first school in history to win every event in a gala(x 2), first school in Afirca to have 3 swimmers(plus coach) at Olympics. I personally believe that could be extended to first school in the world. Now tell me again that that is easy to achieve. All you can do in life is acknowledge and say well done.
Gungets- The above is reality more so than the vague possibilty that a school might at some stage match it. You mention Clifton and their performance in water polo(no Andre T -not Marco Polo). They have done well but to compare them with the Westville results is again being a bit dishonest. Chad Ho did make the Olympics although he won the bronze at the World Champs a few years back. His place was actually taken by a Kearsney boy(Troy Prinsloo). The other swimmers are C.Crous and L. Shankland. This is not just about Chad’s gold but a process that has set the bar at a level that will be almost impossible to repeat. Note I did say “almost”. The thing I like about Chad is his humility and loyalty. He is at most rugby games and school functions and he does it with that smile on his dial.
@Andre, rather who is the best Jukskei school? Monnas?
Who’s the best Catamaran school?
@Grasshopper: Can’t see you ever getting the surfers and b-boarders swimming. Swimming is a swine, hours and hours of training every day. Who is going to do that rather than ripping at Bay or New Pier. Chad Ho came from lifesaving, so more of a swimming mindset.
@beet: And KES might be forced to play in the Natal region. Fortunately the Natal Nightmare, Marx, will be missing.
@beet: That’s only the beginning.
@Andre T: I heard Paul Willemse is leaving the Lions. Strauss resigned as captain, Spencer gone. Next think we know, the rooibonte will disappear altogether. What’s happening?
@star: Is it true that the “T” in Andre T stands for TENNIS
@Andre T, Warren Green is one of my best mates. When it comes to tennis Glenwood are top in KZN. @Star, Westville were no where in swimming in the 90’s, average at best. As I have said hundreds of times, all you need to win gala’s is 5 to 6 great swimmers and by having the national coach involved it’s obvious they would go to Westville, no brainer. When Glenwood had Kenneth Cawood at the Barcelona Olympics, suddenly more swimming kids arrived. It works the same in rugby, Glenwood attracted alot of rugby kids due to Sean Erasmus. Now that Westville have an Olympics gold winner, they are sure to attract even more swimmers so further monopolise the swimming. Chad Le Clos went to Penzance so would normally have gone to Glenwood, so Glenwood need to focus on aquatics and get these kids coming there instead. That would then give Westville more competition. Get the surfers and bodyboarders swimming and training properly and suddenly both your swimming and waterpolo improve….
@star: OK – didn’t know that. What grades are in the BE?
Everything can be replicated and even improved on. Westville have done well but nothing is unachievable. All it takes is for the school to decide that it will be their #1 priority and then to give it dedicated focus and money. Look what Clifton have achieved with their water-polo, from absolutely nowhere, the high school is only 10 years old!
And it is “better at the monent”. That’s not an insult – it’s just reality. They might even be the best in South Africa, but that still needs to be tested. 3 swimmers is fantastic (who is the third – after the two Chads?), but it is not the whole deal, any more than College having 3 hockey players at the Olympics means permanent dominance by our hockey – we lost to Kearsney this year, perhaps others as well.
I had a lot of tennis mates from KZN. Can’t remember all the schools except Simon Edmunds from Westville. Warren Green, Greg Osborne(came to Parktown), Gary Muller(Parktown), Royce Deppe, Grant Adams, Grant Fitzwilliam( had a stunning sister), Brent Haygarth.
Westridge Park was like homeground advantage for a dutchy. Played league for Mitchell Park once as well.
Gungets- Westville does have a BE(80 boys). With regard to swimming what Westville has achieved might never be able to be replicated. College is not in the top 5 in the province and gets challenged by Westville’s B team. Westville with 3 swimmers has made Olympic history. A little more than being “better at the moment”.
Andre T- You must be more specific when you mention your honeymoon. Which one exactly? I also seem to remember you came across a few of the Westville boys on the tennis courts in the 80s.
WBHS will be doing another warcry for Supersport before the Sharks game. My son does not think it will come across as well. We will have to see.
@Andre T: Might be OK, but I travel that road twice a week, 6 days a week would be hell on wheels. To get to school he will have to leave PMB at 6:15am, get home every night at 6pm .. long days.
What grade is he in. If still primary school then he needs to check College by going to the open day, perhaps spending the night in the BE on their sleep-over night, see how it suits. Not every school is for every kid.
Tell him to come to College on Saturday. I will be there from 8:00am, will give him the tour, if he has not already had one. Then he can watch one of the better rugby rivalries in South Africa as well!!
The sister lives in PMB but works in Westville. So there’s no problem there.
@Andre T: Westville doesn’t have a boarding establishment – where will he stay?
If he is a swimmer, the Westville is better at the moment, but don’t count out College for aquatics. The new sports director is a water man – ask Bog – so there will be no real weakness there. Otherwise, College has a BE, is an hour closer to Harrismith. Has the boy seen both schools, and when is he moving to high school – or is he already in HS looking to move?
@Andre T: Yeah, that’s what I though. The first and only province to openly clean up their act. 2 schools get (openly) pinned and everyone gets tarred with the same brush.
So, we can expect all the provinces to take action straight away. The 1.85m, 85kg boys running our for their U13’s are going to get cleared. The imports at EP are going to have some sort of clearance, even if it is Bob Mugabe confirming that he was at school with their dads.
!@#$ Sakes – makes me mal that this cloud will hang over all of the KZN schools for as long as people wish to make an issue of it. Until all the provinces take action I will regard it as a cheap shot.
@Gungets Tuft: Know a boy who’s a promising player from Harrismith, he likes Westville and College. He can’t make up his mind.
@Andre T: Westville has got a nice setup. It’s a well run school. My missus did a lot of work with schools before she sold the business, she enjoyed the way the school was run. I cannot really answer, only ever been there to deliver stuff for the wife.
Had a lot of respect for Peter Bees who headed up the aquatics till he died about 6 weeks ago. Thought about how proud he would have been with Chad le Clos’ win at the Olympics.
Have a weekly run-in with two Old Westvillians that have sent their boys to College, one in 2011 and one this year. Still very patriotic, despite now being College parents, which says a lot about their old school. Can’t live with them, not allowed to kill them.
@Gungets Tuft: Wait for the play…….starting soon at a home affairs office near you.
@Andre T: Adapt or lie???? – Care to elaborate?
@Gungets Tuft: Gungie…….Westville…….nice set-up?
@Gungets Tuft:i couldn’t agree more, and if only it could be realized the detrimental effect that pursuing this or advancing this type of activity is short sighted and we will loose the freshness of school boy rugby as boys turn out at different schools every year because they where contracted better, because that’s where it will go if you open the door
@HORSEFLY NO.1: no I have it from a Hilton u16 a player and Glenwood boys , Jay Gouws , lock u16 a captain is at Hilton
@boxkick: I hear you , leadership cant be done in isolation , we only have to look at our most senior teams and see that in teams today there is one voice but the senior players are the leaders. I don’t think you can consider Dalton as being a leader of the team last year , he was senior no doubt , but it terms of decision making he had very little input , and so did Dean, Dean was much more of the pivotal demolisher in midfield , I think lots of advice came from Ferdie Horne and ultimately Chippy. I think to much positional changing happened especially initially at 10 , when this wasn’t the case last year . certainly didn’t bring stability.
I accept that school boy rugby is competitive , we must be realistic it has always been, that’s why the records of wins etc extend back so far, boys in the 80’s where choosing schools because of the level of rugby that existed at certain schools, that’s why post matric existed, this isn’t new . so we fool ourselves to think that things are different only recently or now.
What will be a sad sad day is when as mentioned u14 and u15 can’t aspire to 1st team level because of “purchased player” Morals , I certainly think that because GW did it this year and the results of the bad negative Aura, sound stupid, but it highlights that because boys were affected by this importing of players, it affected the “spirit” of the school and team, it’s just a feeling , but everything you do has an impact , for every action this is a positive and equal reaction, laws of the universe I think.
Stand by your boys and believe in them , if you go out an purchase players why demand blind belief in them and expect them to behold the traditions and spirit of a school, when you as the coaches and management don’t show the same loyalty but look at the bottom line
This year’s opens sides against affies was a far better marketing results, look at how well the open sides did, yes the 1st team lost , but look at the year 2009 and see how badly our teams lost that year.
@Andre T: Jaaaa boet. Scouting around for anything to do …???
@AndreT – LOL
@boxkick: Heard Pieter Dirk Uys will make a new play on KZN SBR………Adapt or Lie
@Gungets Tuft: Gungie……Westville looks like a agtermekaar school, nice facilities, well groomed pupils? That Mr Hall, the headmaster, he can’t be that oke that still played for Stade Francais last season?
@Gungets Tuft: I’m based here since January yes. Unemployed……I do race cars though, play a bit of tennis on Wednesdays, golf on Fridays…….fortunately I have weekends off.
@boxkick: Ja, probably, but what will die is school gees, replaced by commercial horseshit. Pride when running out in the school jersey will change into a stepping stone only. Pity. I hope I am wrong and there is a way for the two to coexist.
Le Clos through to his 200m IM Final. Lekker stuff.
@GUNGETS TUFT – Merely raising the point that this thing has happened and will continue to happen…addapt or die, like Pieter Dirk Uys use to say…
@Andre T: Do you live in Klerksdorp. I have a mate that lives there, old College boy. Might have to get him to hunt you down and realign you if you watch too much SABC.
@AndreT -Jy het daai bananna manne vir n oomlik laat worry – wat doen AndreT westville…LOL
@Gungets Tuft: Gungie……..SABC……..the stashaun of the nashaun.
Mmmm, the Kearsney side is gonna have to dig mighty deep to stem the in-form, Reunion Day Grey Bloemfontein side this weekend. With few disruptions to the Bloem side, and Kearsney missing The Doop’s, And Kubeka to the National Commitments….they could be some baptism of fire 7weeks after their last game……..an honor, but non-the-less silly match way after the season ended for Kearsney.
@Andre T: Not SABC .. please .. friends don’t let friends watch SABC!!!
It echoed through to Klerksdorp.
It was on the News now. You okes must get out of the bars and massage parlours and watch the news.
@Andre T: How did you hear it?
How awesome was the Westville war cry during assembly this morning? It gave me goose bumps, something I haven’t had since my honeymoon night.
College vs Glenwood rugby fixtures; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Rugby%20vs%20PMB%20College%204Aug2012.pdf
hockey fixtures: http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Hockey%20vs%20College%204%20Aug%202012.pdf
@boxkick: Not sure you can compare franchise rugby like the Sharks to schoolboy rugby. In fact, I am sure you cannot. A contracted player at the SHarks has tenure, at least till his contract ends. A scholarship kid that spends 4 years at the school and is then superceded by a kid bought out of province is doomed. Where does he go for his last year. He either goes “home” and serves the year out, or drops a team.
You might be right that this is the way it will go, the US has done it with their College system, but it will be a sad day when kids cannot safely aspire to play in their school first team when they are in U14A or U15B. If they think they can be cast aside just so the school can buy good advertising, then you have lost the heart of the player and the soul of the school. It’s just my opinion of course, but I feel too strongly about it to be easily convinced otherwise.
@greenhopper
The Glenwood u16A captain is still at Glenwood so maybe you’ve got him connfused with another player bud. He even played vs Affies at the weekend
@greenhopper – i dont think one has to look at leadership in isolation with reference to the captain only…leadership in defence for argument sake was non existant this year as a result of loosing Dean to under 19s, leadership in attack was lost due to loosing strike runners like Dalton and Carel in combination – why has Carel not performed this year( he for one is in my view one of the poorest performers this season, compared to last year), Glenwood lacked leadership in mixing it up amongst the forward which would provide front foot ball and hence make your backs more effective, the backs struggled even with Makasi at 10 and then leadership in captaincy was lost to Western Province, Chippy did bring a certain amount of calmness to the team that captains do…I agree with the EGO issue, one needs to see who are the ones with the EGO’s…we all need to understand that rugby at school level is extremely competitive and that schools will, even more so in the future, recruit what they believe to be the best and the rest will have to learn to addapt and carry on…its naive to think that staff within a team will not change for whatever reason….take the Freddie Michalak issue at the sharks, out of the blue he gets drafted into the setup to replace whoever it was that played at 10 at that stage…who ever gets dropped or moved as a result cannot go and sit on a rock – addapt or move on…
@boxkick:it is spoken about so much , TEAM, there is lots to say about a TEAM , and not individuals , this is not specific to GW this year , but is a consistent thread and them in all teams in all levels of Rugby.
Hence when people here say the 2nd team will beat or could be the 1st, they unfortunately are right, it’s not the way it should be but it is , the reasons are given , reputation etc. over performance heart
I heard a rumor that 9 doesn’t play as there was a fall out with coach and Dad, how true it is I am not sure, and this could affect his play , who knows , but he would be my first choice ,
I agree with what you have said about age group level , but these guys weren’t age group level last year , so where did it go rotten and spoil??? It always comes back to what changed since last year when they were winning ?? Simple Question? IT MIGHT BE OFF THE MARK, but hey I could understand if it was progression from Age Group,
Is it because of leadership, maybe but I don’t think so , we have had two Captains and others during the season and this has improved the performance
For me it has everything to do with EGO’s and the changes
@Andre T: he openly sayes they are late developers like himself
@greenhopper – I played under him and Peter Hendricks for RAU…he is tough, trust me
@greenhopper – I also prefer him to the current 1st team 9 but still feel he is letting himself down a bit at that level…even so, he is still my choice too – you mention something paramount ‘feeling” and thats whats been missing this year….the instinct and the reading of the game – now i will though another spanner in the worx – your team make up is way too much one sided and if memory serves, it was mentioned on another blog by someone…against westville it was 11 to 4…its always gonna be tough in those circumstances and I know you say this team beat all and sundry at age group level but this is not age group level and furthermore, many a team has beaten a affies or grey or monnas at age group level and as soon as they get to opens they crack up against those very same guys…
Boxxies
Mac se 2 seuns is nes hy, hulle truie of t-shirts is altyd ingesteek, hulle hardloop heelvoor met oefeninge en vat geen short cuts soos meeste ander. Hulle is nog fisies nie so groot soos hy maar ek dink hulle is late-developers. Nog n onmoontlike man is die huidige Bulls 0/19 haker se pa. Met hom en Mac langs mekaar by die velde is daar min probleme met die opposisie ouers. Vra ook maar vir die Waterkloof ouers.
@boxkick: i have seen him work with boys and he is as hard on them as he would be with a Lions PLayer , whow . eish , poor linesman
@boxkick:i know whom you refer to , he was originally at u14 a level a fly half, bother 1st team scrummy, for me the safest of players, i like you rate him highly , funny i don’t find him to be as you say , i think he plays a sensible game, yes he isn’t as quick off the mark and as speedy as the present incumbent , but i think he has better caliber and sense of the game, as i said he would be my first choice , less risky than the present player. also, when the present 9 breaks , 10 can get there with him ,
I think you need to define the game pattern you want , with the change in plan we as a team have been uncomfortable in adjusting and this is why he may look the way he does, I say revert to how they played would perform better
@Andret – I saw the linesman incident…boy oh boy, I used to play for Wits Tech under Gerrie Germishuys a good couple of years ago, our grounds were close to Auckland Park – Ian would pitch after training with the Lions and run us all ragged….he was and I believe still is an absolute machine…
@Greenhopper: He also had a bitt of a tiff 2 years ago with a fellow player’s dad and withdrew himself officially………unofficially?……ask him………it’s not going to come from me. He is a great guy but boy………when he strikes, it sounds like a scud missile.
It’s not the school who stops you from making silly statements…….it’s the brotherhood. If you are tough enough behind a computer you must be tough enough when lifted 3 feet from the ground and cold sweat running through your hair.
BTW that linesman was a pro boxer
@greenhopper – re 9…its quite evident that the 9 is a good player and i rate him highly, but when he gets to 1st team level he is not the same or not as effective…makes mistakes, clears slowly and passes poorly…and i really like himi dont want to stoop to a level where I discuss or degrade a schoolboy so I remind you the point we are debating is as per AndreT’s post on not blaming the boys for underperforming given the public scrutiny and attack on them from the outset…
Am I reading right here ? U16 captain going to Hilton ? so how did this happen ?
I go to all local games and fests including Porties and Gelofte nite series and I proudly wear my Green machine supporters shirt because I am an old boy , have a son at Glenwood and I’m proud of their achievements but I am getting sick and tired of strangers coming up to me and asking if I ‘m at the match to come and “buy” players – snigger snigger ! Hilton seem to have the deepsest pockets here and I understand that Westville are raking in Durban primary School players for next year – so whats changed?
I think we need to undertand that this here to stay and a dog eats dogs scenario exsists
@ANDRET – sorry ek was verkeerd oor die Mac storie…die outjies sou kon doen soos hulle wou wanneer hulle woul want die groenetjies is kak bang vir Ian…sien hopper se aanmerkings…shame
@Andre T: Andre T , so true , so very true, Ian is a really nice guy, but volatile to say the very least, extremely good as a player and what he does, I heard about his run in with a Ref this year , made the paper so I am told, never asked him about it , as I was worried how he would react , lol, Very Skilled individual, and sons play good rugby , I know he is intimately involved in training and coaching them
Does he help out at Monnas?
@Grasshopper:one just has to look at recent Old Boys taking the Kids to other schools over what happened this year, some are Bloggers on this site and he was in a dilemma on what to do ,
in addition GW has been “banded” from going to some Junior Schools now to present the High School , we here don’t release the seriousness and consequences of the circumstances of the events this year , I take the approach if you are vocal enough and the public start debating the issues then the school might just stand up , listen , take notice and try and rectify the errors , or at the very least explain the reasons and course of action
@Grasshopper: what are you saying schools must act on Bloggers, ?? are you saying that Andre T supports such actions?? What are we to become like China and only express views now subjected to “certification” and approval by the powers, or live in fear of having an opinion, or that Sean because he doesn’t like being spoken about and certain of his decisions being discussed, and performance based on these Decisions s??Or live in fear that our Kids at the Schools will be alternatively be subjected to prejudicial actions adversely applied by Sean and his coaches,
sounds like a government that stopped existing in 1992
@Grasshopper: Grassy, we just don’t do that, and not behind some weird name. Everyone at Monnas knows who I am and believe me, I’ve also been asked to calm down and not be so common. It’s just how it works and like Boxxies said, if Ian Mac’s sons were openly critisized like the fly half, he would still be busy leveling Durban and surrounds and London. They are not pro’s yet, they are still children.
sorry @ Box Kick , was on my phone when i typed this
don’t think i am biased , if you revealed more what you mean by the statement ” Tell me something, why is it that the 2nd team 9 plays a brilliant game at that level only to flop completely at 1st team level” i want to understand what you mean by this and will be happy to answer you
i disagree with you , the core of the team was that of the previous 4 year , they don’t just become shit , just like that , something has to bring on the ability to turn shit
@Andre T: no a story , i promise you , 102 kg boy 15 years old now but 16 later thsi year , 10 % body fat , very very strong , what him at Grey this weekend
@beet: isnt leaving , he HAS LEFT , already in class , dorm at Hilton , school brought John Alan in last week, to speak to the Boys about what GW has to offer etc ,
in fact they do have it all , just dont respect the loyal boys and market out to Pretoria schools, , will see what Pretoria schools loose players in the next few weeks
@Andre T, what right do the school have in ‘sorting’ out bloggers? It’s not 1984/Big Brother out there. Bloggers have the right to express their opinions on blogs. I don’t agree with personal attacks, but blogs are about expressing opinons, hence the reason why they are so popular. It’s called user generated content. I would be happy to use my real name on here if others did too. Some of the bloggers on here are the coaches and headmasters, so if they were prepared to disclose who they are then I have no problem disclosing who I am. It needs to be a two way street. As a proud Old Boy I have the right to be concerned about what is happening with the school, especially considering is they want to attract boys there, especially Old Boys sons, then they need to impress us, not the other way around. Parents are the consumer here and pay the fees, why should parents be at the mercy of the school. A year ago I would not have had a 2nd thought sending my future son to Glenwood, but now I am having 2nd thoughts….
@Andre T: Sorry, was for Grassy
@Greenhopper: No Grassy, you had class in those 2 positions. Those stories about u/15’s pushing Marne around………klomp kak.
@boxkick: no i have respect for Andre T , ask him , he will tell you tradition is where it all starts
@boxkick: hi there , firsly to catch a ball it has to be passed correctly , first lesson , first thing you teach kids , pass and tackle , the hand skills are important yes, but in the context of how you get it the pressure eon you and the space you get it in. Just look how the back line foired in the 2nd half against Affies , when the game sped up and Makasi found he was in the 10 position more often, a complete turnaround in backline and handling skills
I would feel very comfortable to sit with you and go through all the videos of the games and do comparisons, You set the time and place and bring the Tapes and we can have a beer and go through them
Glenwood have had bad hookers at line throws for the last three years , this is not new, it hasn’t been one of my areas of comment other than when the 2nd team hooker comes on he is higher than the props and this weakens the set piece, it was an area i detailed the Craven week side with the College side the “hinge” when the scrum, shoulders are lower than the hips, the back can be straight but the “push” is directionally incorrect.
hence you battle in the set pieces you won’t get go forward ball, if you read the other blog on stats on school boy rugby it shows you can judge school boy players on the same measure as even u20 rugby let alone super rugby ,
i said it way earlier, this team has been playing for the last few years without having to kick and chase, laws have changed and the Bulls found out how well you have to Kick and Chase to win, in the BULLS who have the best kicking Fly half in Morne and they still couldn’t convert that to a winning formula, so what makes you think at school boy level this is going to work , and with a team that has traditionally not played this game.
Remember here, one reverts to instinct when under pressure and what one has been trained to od, if you were ever in the army you will remember how you become robotic when a pressure situation appeared how you moves and actions became automated , and this is precisely what happened with eth GW side , when the NEW approach wasn’t working , they reverted to what they had done over the last few years and this was in direct contracts to a kick an chase game plan
i dont think i am biased , if you deayiled more what you mean by teh sattemnt ” Tell me something, why is it that the 2nd team 9 plays a brilliant game at that level only to flop completely at 1st team level” i want to understand what you mean by this and will be happy to answer you
i disagree with you , the core of teh team was that of teh previosu 4 year , they dont just become shit , just like that , soemthing has to bring on the ablity to turn shit
@andret – dis nou net daai ding wat van die rooi seuns nie verstaan nie…die groen outjies moet hulle sterre dank hulle is nie hier bo nie – hulle sal op hulle moere kry as hulle hier so aangegaan het…kan jy imagine Ian Mac se laaities is Durbs toe en ouens wat min weet van rugby praat so oor sy latte….soos die ref of die touch judge so rukkie terug op n coke wedstryd op roodepoort se veld…hy moer hulle almal een vir een plat…LOL
@Boxkick, mate Glenwood are not a Johnny come lately school either, 102 years old and played rugby since 1911. Monnas and Affies are far younger, anyway point made. Yes, Paarl Gim, Grey Bloem, Paul Roos, Boishaai, Wynberg, Rondebosch, SACS, Bishops, Queens, Dale, Grey PE, Maritzburg College and DHS have older an richer history than Glenwood, which we respect. Glenwood have plenty of tradition, pride and values, it’s about the current management and coaches that things seem slightly different. Maybe it’s got to do with schools rugby being more professional, hence more pressure to perform hence they are doing whatever it takes to maintain the high levels. Once a certain level is reached it’s hard to maintain that level. I am very concerned about the Under16 captain going to Hilton, shows the power of the Hilton Rand is playing dividends for them……it’s a minefield out there and would not want to be a schoolboy headmaster or coach…
@Greenhopper: What really astonished me was the fact that you guys blatantly attacked almost every person from the janitor to the players, coaches and even the headmaster……..and they did absolutely nothing. Surely they know who you all are?
If I had to carry on like this after Monnas’ bad year and crucify the players and staff I would have still been in the hospital. Two years ago one of the parents went overboard on 365 and he was quickly sorted out. The integrity of your coaches/selectors need to be respected and personal emotions should not interfere or filter down to your child. The coach/school will do anything to improve the achievements and yes, they will import where they feel it’s necessary and if that effects your child he must train harder to prove them wrong. That is the secret to handling the disappointments…….not mud slinging.
@beet – love the site mate, its turned a rather windy and cold wednesday into an enjoyable day…
@Greenhopper: Wow! Its hard to believe a Glenwood captain is leaving. Usually the captains are amongst the most passionate and loyal boys.
@GREENHOPPER – seriously? dont tell me you r trying to teach Andre T a lesson about values, tradition etc etc etc…Monnas hasnt been in the rugby news for 10 years only mate….your school can learn a couple of things from the likes of monnas, affies, grey bloem, paarl gym, paul roos and pbh….none of these schools mentioned are johnny come lately rugby institutions…
@Andre T: as you mentioned such a pivotal role, mmmmmmmmm, reminds me of what the best rugby players say round the world , make sure you have a good tight head prop, and a good flyhalf and build your team around that , looks like we did it the wrong way around and it burnt us
@GREENHOPPER – Why would you wanna justify yourself…this “boss10” thing I am not sure what you are refering to but if my comments are simmilar to who ever boss 10 is then he must be a clever man that knows his footy like Andre T – say what you like, 2012 Glenwood team as a whole was shit…firstly the type of game they wanted to play, then their general ball skills(absolutely could not catch a ball amongst the backs) en lastly line outs – its similar to what you have been saying all along, just that you choose to single out the prop, flyhalf and hooker for all of this…never did you mention the poor handleing skills among the backs, or the poorest of poor kick chase nor the absolute lack of dicipline…I have to agree with AndreT on all accounts, and I have got news for you – ask your boy how many new faces are at Glenwood already mate – hopefully Grasshopper will get to see some games next year and he wouldnt have to rely on your bias/ one sided oppinion. Tell me something, why is it that the 2nd team 9 plays a brilliant game at that level only to flop completely at 1st team level?
@Andre T: I have maintained a stance that if these boys are or have moved for career options after school, they are considered semiprofessional, they are under contract and hence judged as such. I think it is hypocritical to say but they are only school boys when they material benefit form the Contracts the are under , and they materially affect school boys at the school that have been loyal to the school for years , having started in grade 8 and done the whole new boy story of the school, this seems to have been lost at GW in the last two years in the aspirations of goals by Coaches and the untouchable 1st team and all the rest seem to have been swept aside for the attaining of this goal. Mantle, crown
I am not one for mixing these contacted boys with pure school boys, but it is what it is and as such IMHO, they can be curtsied, just as John Smit and the rest do.
GW have always had the tradition of u14 a and u15 a play on the B field and only u16 A play on Dixons, well this year it’s all changed and never before have we seen the in your face of imports , so yes I am frustrated , loss tradition you lose the Culture and Core of the school, and it’s a slipper road from there on in.
But as Grasshopper has said the school has learnt hard lesson this year , what we need to see is a restoration of old values
@Grasshopper: your comments on mid term trials and playing against each other , well here some facts , the two imports never played in the 1st set of trials, both of them , i know this becuase i was there , so there was no fair “trails” and i think i have commented on the balance of your commenst earlier and mine seem to be on a similar aligment
@Grasshopper: your comments are so true and correct, i see the loyalty and pride these boys have for the school, I do to , but the Coaching staff and senior Management have chosen to ignore the years of entrenching this in the boys, 18 years boys are stupid they are very well aware when they are being manipulated , I assure you.
We have seen the demise of the u16 a Capitan to Hilton last week, very serious occurrence and a huge warning sign for the school, just as they require respect and loyalty form the boys they needs to show the same in return. You last comments are so true
“This season has taught the school a number of hard lessons in sport, support those who are loyal, keep level headed and adapt/make changes if things go wrong. There are a few Glenwood bloggers on all the sites that have probably gone over the top with their attacks on kids, but this is bourne out of frustration……a normal human reaction….”
Sorry for my poor english there.
@Grasshopper: According to a friend of mine who there, Jeppe overpowered them even when Marx and Smith came on. Still can’t believe that players who were not even in the match 22 can just turn-up at half time and take the field.
@boxkick: really not sure how to respond to you blog, don’t know , but i think you were under a different name on 365 ???
so let’s start with the most important thing , Well done Chad, don’t worry about what the commentators said, you did the right technical thing at the right time, and you won , well done to you and very proud of Westville.
I said it before the game “first hurdle” that I suspected after watching the Teams performances prior to this match up that Westville might win it , and yes I noted that the influence of the import would have the would be the defining factors. These issues I noted a great length prior, so I never changed my stand point. I noted last year , after watching the initial games and noted then , that GW would be affected by this , and in this respect I hate to say I have been proven right , sh*t I hate having to say that .
You quote “unfortunately a couple of extremely talented 2 or 3 imports got the blame” has to be the most biased piece of rubbish , what about the extremely talent players that gained this team the reputation that they had over the last 5 years, please it was the addition of these two that and I quote you again “and things got worse from there” dam right it did the obvious reason is ???? leave a winning team alone as this move by the coached added no value to this winning team.
“funny how the people who think there are better players in their 2nd team has a particular interest in that team” what are you referring to here , you keep making these ‘boss 10” comments what interest , the simple interest is that there exists the extreme possibility that the 2nd team is simply better than the 1st team AS A TEAM, and not INDIVIDUALS, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO .
The only way 2013 will be better is to stay away from imports and believe in the team as they existed in 2011 as the u16 with a flavor of the u16 from this year , as the u16 of 2011 had beaten the might Kearsney dream team twice of the three years they had played , can’t be better odds then that , and a proven record
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@beet: i disagree, a simple solution would be to play the two teams, and i have never heard of GW doing trials for 1st team after the initial trials at the beginning of the season, AND Glenwood have done it twice this season and 2nd one was done yesterday.
If you look at the game against Affies 18 boys where part of the setup, 3 reserves never played for the 2nd team and they still utilized players from the 2nd team in the 2nd half of the game, some players having never featured in the 1st team setup.
This is a Coach under pressure. Mid-season, supporters where saying that plenty of the 2nd team players should have been 1st team, it was openly debated , even the boys and players were making such comments . Even bloggers from other schools noted that some boys playing in the 1st team were there on name alone.
A 15 year old prop from Kearsney propped against Marne and bettered him, the father even went on to say his conditioning is not that of a serious prop , it was openly spoken about by Affies parents whom I was sitting with that they wanted to see how good Marne was, and at the first scrum they made comment , I won’t write it here and these props in Affies where 2nd and 3rd team players. A supporter fo George Campbell made comment that he battled in that game as well. So I don’t think we are being unrealistic in what we are writing . At Practice mention is made by the 2nd team front row that they shunt Marne around. We know Warren has been beyond erratic, other than getting the odd drop right has failed in all areas,
I am not writing this as my personal opinion but just relaying to you what the general public are saying, and if they can see this why don’t the “experienced” coaches not see it are they afraid of being proved wrong if they had to make the switches, I think so , also what damage will the reputations of these players be like then. There is more to it them assuming that the 1st team is better than the 2nds , it’s how the balance of power and reputations of both coaches and players will be affected
@Greenhopper: Jeepers, poor fly half was singled out almost every day. Such a pivotal position and at times it even appeared as if it was intentionally to upset him. To be honest I can’t remember who it was, but it could have been you.
@Andre T, yep I return in November probably going to Cape Town. I will look into helping at Wynberg, SACS, Rondebosch or Bishops, but to be honest I will need to be at practices during the week and with work will probably not be able to. So probably club coaching will be my only option as practices are in the evening. hahaha, 365 have introduced a daft blogging system where your posts go missing amongst other posts and are not in chronological order. Also, one bloggers started taking other bloggers names and posting pictures of bloggers it was the last straw. I won’t go back to a site I can’t trust. It is difficult though as I love the debate with KES supporters, especially after they lost to Jeppe this weekend…..they loved to bring up the Glenwood defeat to Northwood last year and it would have been sweet revenge. No seriously, I just love the debate…
@Grasshopper: You mentioned once you’ll be returning soon, are you going to help out with the coaching anywhere?
I miss you on 365……..you were always immediately ready for an arguement.
@Star and Beet, yep amazing achievement by Chad! I noticed in the semi he had a better 2nd 100m so knew he would come back but to make up that much was incredible. I was a very proud Saffa last night and especially loved his dad Bert’s reaction. Seeing the passion and pride was great. I think Westville, Seagulls swimming club and Penzance Primary must take some credit for his success. As a Glenwood supporter I do wonder how he went from Penzance to Westville, obviously the pulling power of the SA swimming coach and the success of the Westville swimming team. Well done Chad, you school and country are proud of you!
@Andre T: i disagree , players weren’t singled out , if you are referring to me, I think my points about certain players, patterns systems and coached have proven correct , and I would challenge you to disagree with what I noted prior to the season starting .
You never mess with a winning team, and I think lots has backfired on GW , Coached and management this year , because of the audacious and superior attitude they have had , but this is JUST MHO
@Andre T, agreed. However, unfortunately in schools sports and at most schools there is politics and favouritism etc. I had it in my year, when the best flyhalf in the school was only picked for the 3rd team due to him having a run in with the 2nd and 1st team coach in a lesson. That year the 3rd’s went unbeaten but the 1st’s had a shocker, I think only winning 30%! This was the case for a number of other players too. In practices the 3rd’s would play the 1st/2nd’s squad and usually score more tries. I think that could be the case again this year and boys have been picked on reputation and because on bursary etc. I think the coaches rightfully gave these kids a decent run at proving them wrong but I think left it too late to make changes. Sometimes being dropped to the 2nds motivates kids to do better and creates a healthy competitive enviroment. Anyway, I am not close to the team/coaches and these are just assumptions. I might be completely wrong but as a coach myself I see it all the time in junior teams…
@Grasshopper: Points taken, but to state the 2nds will beat 1sts is very negative. Surely they must have practise sessions where the 2 sides go head to head. What about those mid term trials you had? The attacks on the EG Jansen flyhalf must have demoralised him completely and I was shocked when I saw how good he was against DHS after all the negative remarks on 365 by GM bloggers. Surely the return of all the provincial players must have lifted the confidence of supporters but then again the quality of the 2011 CW team can be questioned.
Gosh, they lost to the Lions…….who in your very own words….were mediocre.
@Gungets Tuft: Geez GT! When they turned for the last lap, I was hoping he’d hold on for silver.
Good point about the hockey. We could never compete in rugby or cricket if our guys weren’t fulltime pros.
Nothing comes easily to any sport. 1st step for hockey is to build a fan base in the post-school market. A televised league and get people excited about hockey. No audience = no money.
@Andre T: @boxkick: I think he might come back to Dbn next year. Unfortunately his chances of JWC u20 selection might have also bitten the dust coz of what happened. In cases like his, actions speak louder than words. Instead of just saying sorry he should do voluntary community work as well. If he can make a difference somewhere he can emerge as a hero again. But whatever he does, it has to come from the heart.
@beet: Hockey has no corporate backing, and as a team sport, you have to travel to compete which is expensive. The recent training camp in Europe was financed by the players – about R35k per player. Give our boys and girls some financial security and they will be able to see hockey as more than a hobby. A few of our players play professionally in Europe but not many.
Chad – what a boykie. I will tell you that I called him to win when they surfaced on the last 50m. The look on his face said it all – it was win and nothing else.
@Andre T, lets think now, if your 2nd team is unbeaten and your 1st are struggling does that not indicate maybe looking at the 2nd team to bring some players up? I have absolutely no personal interest in the 2nd team as I don’t have any kids yet. I am thinking with my coaching hat on. If I had a successful 2nd side and a battling 1st side, I would try different combinations. The Glenwood coaching team are only trying this now after 20 games and due to injury. They unearthed a new lock who I believe is doing very well. Secondly, I have never slated an idividual player, only the coaching tactics at times. Lastly, if a school has 1 SA Schools, 1 SA Academy and 7 provincial players returning it’s only natural that supporters will assume and expect a good year. Glenwood have never had that sort of quality returning. That is why I warn Kearsney and Westville supporters that just because they will have amazing teams on paper not to expect too much. I am actually very glad that we/Glenwood have been brought back down to earth and hopefully we have learnt from this and will make the approriate changes. This season has taught the school a number of hard lessons in sport, support those who are loyal, keep level headed and adapt/make changes if things go wrong. There are a few Glenwood bloggers on all the sites that have probably gone over the top with their attacks on kids, but this is bourne out of frustration……a normal human reaction….
@boxkick: Ek kon nie dink hy sou ooit daar inpas. Groot seun daai en voer n skrikbewind in Klerksdorp. Moer ook glo baie hard. Hoop nie daai oomblik van waansin gaan sy toekoms beinvloed.
@Andre T – Party keer wil mens he hulle moet verstaan weet jy…ek weet nie of die beeskak van die midlands of die “wet ozone” wind wat van die see af kom die mense se koppe laat raas nie ma iets is nie lekker daar in die ooste nie…ek weet presies wie die Klerksdorp seun was waarna jy verwys…hy het n dag of twee gehou en besef die dinge is anders tussen die rooies…LOL…TOE GAAN JAAG HY KAK AAN IEWERS ANDERS…VOEL VIR HOM OOK
@star: That was the most amazing finish. I don’t know much about swimming but even when they’d touched I had settled for the silver coz it looked like Chad was easily behind. Unbelievable that a finish can be so close and so technical. Westville are taking swimming to a new level and others will follow which will hopefully translate into more medals for SA in the years to come.
I’m not sure why we aren’t better at hockey tho. There has always been a appetite for it in SA and the skills as well?
@boxkick: Moenie dit so hard verkondig, hier is n paar van hulle wat afrikaans kan verstaan.
Snaaks genoeg het dieselfde verlede jaar met Boishaai gebeur, die ondersteuners het hopeloos te veel druk op die spelers d.m.v die forums geplaas. Kyk die jaar, die ondersteuners het kalmeer en die span lewer prestasies. Dit is maar hoe sport werk, as jy na sportsielkundiges luister is die mees belangrike aspek om nooit negatiewe dinge te lees nie.
@andret – never has a more true word been spoken…all the expectation and hype arround the glenwood class of 2012 was created by their supporters group, and when the first hurdle came and they tripped…the boys got absolutely pulled appart by those very same hyped up supporters….unfortunately a couple of extremely talented 2 or 3 imports got the blame and things got worse from there….funny how the people who think there are better players in their 2nd team has a particular interest in that team…i hope for the 2013 group these people relax a bit and allow the kids to play and enjoy themselves…dis nogal snaaks hoe die rooi taliges in sekere sirkels sukkel om hulle koppe om die game te kry…
@Andre T: R365 is very popular at Glenwood but it is not the only school in KZN that enjoys/enjoyed the site. Just about every KZN coach I know reads it.
@All Black: Who is the new fullback?
Interesting that while one College centre is in the 2nd team this week, a former MC centre who was in a similar position last year, possibly for similar reasons, will make his debut for the Sharks u19s on Friday.
@beet: Those were absurd statements about their seconds being better than the firsts. It’s these kind of comments that destroyed the team this year. The boys and coaches read these blogs daily and don’t tell me it has no effect on them.
A boy from Klerksdorp who spent a week or so at Glenwood, you know who it is, came back telling his friends about R365.
@Cyndi You will find that it will be Westville breathing down Glenwood’s neck regarding 2nds and B teams. Westville 2nds only lost to GW and were leading for most of the game. The U16B were unbeaten as was the whole age group in KZN. The U15B only lost to GW. Again this was early in the season and the team subsquently performed consistently better than GW against local opposition . A rematch would have been great. Possibly an argument for GW to play Westville home and away. I think it would be remiss of me not to extend congratulations to Chad on his world class achievement. You have made us all proud.
@Andre T: These Glenwood boys must have felt a lot of pressure to deliver. I’m not surprised if they don’t look like they’re enjoying themselves.
I’m surprised at the comments about the 2nd team being able to beat the 1sts. The 2nds have had an excellent season, they might be one of the best 2nd XVs in the country but they haven’t blown opponents off the park, which suggests they might struggle against other 1st teams.
But on the other hand, if a team got slaughtered by their supporters on public forums from day one and players singled out as the weak links, then that unit turns into a runaway train.
Nope……Sometimes it takes a team 20 games to gel into a unit.
@ Greenhopper, I am in total agreement about the Glenwood 2nd team. They are the most enjoyable team to watch and have noticed that generally the ‘B’ teams seem to have more fun, play more enjoyable rugby and seem to have more consistent scores. The 2nd team is unbeaten and apparently so it the U15B team – I wonder what the win/lose rate is on the U14B and U16B.
Maybe some one should do some analysis on that with other rugby focussed schools.
I second those comments on Glenwoods 2nd team – as some blogger said earlier this season Glenwood almost has two 1st teams – as far as the College game at Goldstones goes I would be carefull about predictions – even with some key players injured methinks College are going to make a point here and will come out firing –
Players out from beginning of the season. Prop, flank, both centres, and fullback. All of them played 1st team in 2011.
Me thinks big surprise at Goldstones this weekend. Glenwood by 13.
Bamber playing 2nds. Make that 28 players for the year. New fullback.
@Grasshopper:there are players in GW 3rds that have featured in the 1st team this year , that is why the 2nd and the 3rd team are un beaten in the KZN fixtures
look at the Affies results 5ths and 3rds where robbed by bad reffing at only ONE point within 60 minutes that either lead to them not scoring deserved try or allowing a line out that allowed affies to score ,
compare this with 4 years ago , when these scores at these boys levels ranged in the 50 pointers
How about this for controversial, Glenwood’s 2nd’s would beat the 1sts….and Glenwood’s 2nd’s are the strongest in KZN, no doubt….
@beet: End of season problems for everyone then. As the seasons get longer and more intense, squad management is going to be extremely important. I suppose College is lucky to have the depth they do, an excellent 2nd team to fill those gaps. Schools with less depth would be buried.
27 is a lot though – a few less if you take out the deliberately rested, such as against Dulwich, but still a lot.
@Gungets Tuft: I can’t vouch for 100% accurate records but College have had 27 representatives this year according to my database. This includes a regular 3rd team prop during a famous win against Westville. The biggest casualties in terms of most missed players have to be Daniel Kriel, an SA Schools quality player and Bradley Malherbe.
So against PBHS in PMB to PBHS in Pretoria, altho Malherbe only played 2nd team on Goldstones, it seems like Ndlovu,Malherbe,D.Kriel,Bamber,J Kriel were the changes while Elber is now 2nds. Interestingly Pretoria Boys High had to make 6 changes incl their captain from the team that lost on Goldstones.
Glenwood vs Affies pics; http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=450519691637558&set=a.450519658304228.102298.401990619823799&type=1&theater
@Grasshopper: Looks like College might be missing even more people through injury. Told that Christie might be out – big loss – he was a standout on Saturday, and Coetsee or Bamber might also be out???? .. Not sure though. Wonder what the first team looks like now, compared to the start of the season?
It’s going to be a tough game but both sides have done the same trip and played tough opposition in the week prior. Glenwood seem to be losing steam, a hectically long season and now into their 20th game of the local season, plus the 3 or 4 in Argentina. Just far too much! College on Goldstones are the favourites….
@beet: If it is that he is nursing injury, then it’s a pity but at least he should be at the match. He will be there for the final game, that is what matters.
It seems like fitness more than anything else might be the thing preventing Jesse from playing this weekend.
@all – it is believed that the sqaud gets together on sunday…not sure what the ruling is on the boys turning out for their schools the day before — if memory serves, Jaco vd Walt, the 2011 SA Schools flyhalf, got injured in a Beeld Trophy match the week before the SA Schools game and missed that game as a result…
@Gungets Tuft: With 28 players on board, the coach may have decided on a starting 22 for the opening game already and only needs those players. Who knows? It seems likely that Jesse will play in all 3 games.
@Gungets Tuft: What you’re saying makes sense. The last game in a school jersey means a great deal to the boys and this is never taken into consideration. I think the SA Schools guys need to ID an international window a year in advance. This will gives schools a much better chance work around it. It’s an annual problem for Grey Bloem vs Paul Roos, altho this year the only missing player for that game will be the PRG 2nd team hooker.
@beet: They are going to have to make a single rule for everyone. What is the point of 1/2 a squad arriving for the weekend and 1/2 turning out for their schools, it will be a poor training session and also robs the boys of the opportunity to play their last game at the school. Jesse last played at College against Affies and before that against Kearsney on June 2nd. For any College boy your last game on Goldstones is something special and I am sure that he did not expect that to be Affies.
@beet: So many different stories going around.
@All Black: Kearsney believe they will have all 3 players and that the boys will only leave school for 2 weeks after this weekend. However if I were SAS coach, I’d want the players by the weekend = extra 2 valuable days to prepare.
But BoishaaiPa also thinks the 2 Gimmies players will start on Sat vs Boishaai
Kearsney without the Du Preez twins will be in for a torrid time at Grey. Khubeka as well but he does not have the same influence as the twins.
Looks like College will be without both Kriels this weekend. Daniel has not recovered from his op and Jesse will be at SA schools camp, if my information is correct.