KZN Coaches and Selectors for 2015

There are plenty of changes in the KZN provincial age group rugby coaching and selector panel structures for the 2015 season.

Rudi Dames : New CW head coach. Previous AW head coach. 2014 was his 1st season as Glenwood head coach.
Barend Steyn : No longer CW head coach after 4 seasons at the helm. Stays on as an u18 selector.
Mike Vowles : Re-enters the fray, this time as the CW asst coach. His previous KZN involvement came while he was still coaching at Westville.
Francois Lubbe : After just 1 year in charge of the GK team he moves up to asst with CW.
Grant Bell : A bit of a raw deal. Effectively fired as CW asst coach after 1 campaign in the position. He led KZN to a 100% GK record in 2013 but obviously no credits were earned for that rare KZN success. Now no place for him in the system at all for 2015. Westville 1st XV coach.
Deon Gericke : Axed completely. Was called up from CD head coach to replace Sean Erasmus as CW asst for 2014. St Charles teacher by profession.
Jeremy McLaren : The highly rated Kloof coach moves up a notch from GK asst to GK head coach.
Roland Norris : The Westville 2nd XV coach takes over from Dames as AW head coach. More importantly he becomes an u18 selector, meaning Westville who have been amongst the top rugby schools in KZN in recent seasons, finally has a vote.
AC Blume : the 2014 rookie Hilton 1st XV is in as GK asst backline coach
Michael Schwartz : With 2 out of his last 3 seasons in charge of MHS producing excellent results, the GK forwards asst coach looks destined for higher honours.
Sam Mofokeng : The new GK asst coach and selector allows Kearsney to continue to have an influence at u16 level, this after GK head coach 2014 Frank Lubbe left Kearsney to join College.
Antonie Prinsloo : the former Campbell head coach (starting at Kearsney in 2015) moves from AW asst to KZNCD head coach
Ryan Kyle : Out as KZNCD head coach. Kyle is set to complete a move from Port Shepstone’s Creston College to Maritzburg College.
Tim Orchard : The up and coming College u15 coach is a new GK selector, helping College to have the biggest say at u16 selection level.
Steve le Marque : trades his role as GK selector for GK team manager

Maritzburg College : a big gun in KZN SBR remains without a selector at u18 level
George Campbell : remains well looked after in the system with 3 representatives including the Chairman.
DHS, Northwood, Port Natal, St Charles, Clifton : no representatives of any kind.
Kearsney & Glenwood : the only schools with 2 votes each at u18 level.

2015 2015 2014 2014
OFFICIAL SCHOOL OFFICIAL SCHOOL
TEAM OFFICIALS:
CRAVEN WEEK
Coach Rudi Dames Glenwood Barend Steyn Kearsney
Assistant Coach Mike Vowles Glenwood Grant Bell Westville
Assistant Coach Francois Lubbe Maritzburg College Deon Gericke St Charles
Manager Dean Moodley Kearsney Dean Moodley Kearsney
Physio TBA TBA
ACADEMY WEEK
Coach Roland Norris Westville Rudi Dames Glenwood
Assistant Coach AC Blume Hilton Antonie Prinsloo George Campbell
Assistant Coach Michael Schwartz Michaelhouse Roland Norris Westville
Manager Nhlanhla Bulose Northwood Nhlanhla Bulose Northwood
Physio TBA TBA
KZN COUNTRY DISTRICTS
Coach Antonie Prinsloo Kearsney Ryan Kyle Creston College
Assistant Coach Cameron Fraser Dundee
Assistant Coach Lukhanyo Nontshinga George Campbell
Manager Siyabonga Dubazana Eshowe Lukhanyo Nontshinga George Campbell
Physio TBA Musa Mgabhi Umlazi Com Tech
GRANT KHOMO
Coach Jeremy McLaren Kloof Francois Lubbe Kearsney
Assistant Coach Sam Mofokeng Kearsney Jeremy McLaren Kloof
Assistant Coach Torsten Sorensen Westville Torsten Sorensen Westville
Manager Steve La Marque Glenwood Sibusiso Ncamane Michaelhouse
Physio TBA TBA
SELECTORS:
SELECTORS – UNDER 18
Convenor Quentin Reynolds KZNRU Quintin Reynolds KZNRU
Selector / Coach CW Rudi Dames Glenwood Barend Steyn Kearsney
Selector / Coach AW Roland Norris Westville Rudi Dames Glenwood
Selector / Coach CD Antonie Prinsloo Kearsney ??? Ryan Kyle Creston College
Selector Gerald Pyoos George Campbell Gerald Pyoos George Campbell
Selector Tony Richter Hilton Tony Richter Hilton
Selector Ryno Combrinck Michaelhouse Ryno Combrinck Michaelhouse
Selector Tony Pinheiro Glenwood Tony Pinherio Glenwood
Selector Barend Steyn Kearsney
SELECTORS – UNDER 16
Convenor Bruce Collocott Maritzburg College Bruce Collocott Maritzburg College
Selector / Coach Jeremy McLaren Kloof Jeremy McLaren Kloof
Selector / Coach Sam Mofokeng Kearsney Francois Lubbe Kearsney
Selector / Coach Torsten Sorensen Westville Torsten Sorensen Westville
Selector Tim Orchard Maritzburg College Steve La Marque Glenwood
Selector Paul Venter Hilton Paul Venter Hilton
Selector Donald Ngwenya KZNRU Donald Ngwenya KZNRU
Selector Ntso Mkhwanazi KZNRU Ntso Mkhwanazi KZNRU

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68 Comments

  1. avatar
    #68 beet

    @John Single Malt: I think the key word is opportunity. The players have to go where the opportunities lie. For some there are a number of offers on the table whereas others only have one option available.

    You might not have noticed but there are a handful of College boys in the Blue Bulls system these days, so much so that a few people including myself believe that College enjoys a closer working relationship with the Bulls than they do with the Sharks, a perception I’d obviously like to see change.

    About Craven Week – for any school it remains is a powerful marketing tool. For that reason I feel that each region in SA should go to whatever lengths necessary to protect the integrity and independence of the selection process. They are never going to please all the people all the time but they should strive to please as many as possible. Apart from the mileage schools get, CW still means the world to the schoolboys as well.

    Also about Craven Week- the funny thing is most of the top recruiters in SA have moved on from this tournament. Most top players are contracted or approached long before CW.

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    30 October, 2014 at 23:04
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    #67 umbiloburger

    @John Single Malt: Now that doesn’t make any sense….thats like saying that a kid from a one horse town who is studying to become a doctor, is disloyal because he leaves the one horse town as they already have 5 doctors there!! It’s about careers surely. Perhaps those single malts have become doubles. :wink:

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    30 October, 2014 at 16:46
  3. avatar
    #66 John Single Malt

    Haha, Glenwood coach and deputy.

    I wonder what we can expect next year?

    GW boys filling up the CW ranks, getting noticed by all the other provinces and then pissing off to those other provinces because they have no clue about loyalty and culture.

    Fantastic model they’re building there at Glenwood.

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    30 October, 2014 at 11:28
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    #65 GreenBlooded

    @umbiloburger: 8)

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    30 October, 2014 at 08:14
  5. avatar
    #64 umbiloburger

    @GreenBlooded: Apparently I am the MC!!!

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    30 October, 2014 at 05:18
  6. avatar
    #63 GreenBlooded

    @umbiloburger: Can’t make it – day job stuff with that dastardly Citect problem. But we can chat at Woodburn on Friday night – you coming?

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    29 October, 2014 at 21:08
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    #62 umbiloburger

    @Grasshopper: If you going to be in PMB then let’s meet at Essence or Crossways. Perhaps Greenblooded can also come along….have an old boys meeting!!!!!

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    29 October, 2014 at 20:58
  8. avatar
    #61 Grasshopper

    @umbiloburger: you sounding more & more like someone I’m meeting tomorrow….hmmmm….

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    29 October, 2014 at 20:25
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    #60 umbiloburger

    @GreenBlooded: The only “legality” lies in that of conscience. No school is meant to entertain an application once a parent has signed and accepted the terms at another school.

    @star: Westville have earned their accolades in the pool and deservedly so. I honestly don’t think GW want to be like Westville. They want to be the best and have a plan. If in that they surpass Westville, well then they are accomplishing their goals.

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    29 October, 2014 at 19:45
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    #59 Grasshopper

    Loving this debate! Grade 8 is a free for all, dog eats dog scenario until mid January when the boys arrive. Up until then like in business, schools should be able to offer what they can to entice the kids. What is the difference between say free tours & kit to tuck money? After that though, it should be closed shop and no more recruiting. Glenwood is losing a brilliant loose forward to Westville next year, family tradition vs location….that is life!

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    29 October, 2014 at 17:02
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    #58 GreenBlooded

    @star: Nothing to do with the legality of it. Of course it isn’t legally binding. Just trying to point out that Glenwood aren’t only the perps – it happens to them too.

    Another player? Hope he is good. GW have some tough games next year. Anyhow – my Citect application issue has now been resolved so I need to get back to work. It was nice rattling your cage though – got me through the morning…… :mrgreen:

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    29 October, 2014 at 15:24
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    #57 star

    @GreenBlooded: Nice stats!!! That is like saying the Pope is a nice old man or that Megan Fox has a nice…… :mrgreen:
    The question I am raising is that if GW had a legally enforceable agreement why did they not defend it when K came a calling. In fact they just gave up. Does this not indicate that there is very little security involved from a legal perspective in this game. On another note one of my son’s GW mates tweeted that the school ” had brought another rugby player”. I just hope it is not from another tier one school and that the transition is amicable and in the interests of more that just one party.

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    29 October, 2014 at 15:07
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    #56 GreenBlooded

    @star:

    I’m confused? What did GW need to defend legally??

    I said schools have minimal input in the coaching of swimmers. Just get the good club swimmers and put a school speedo on them. No change of mind there – just that they now have GW speedos on and not WV which pleases me. Waterpolo another matter of course.

    Nice stats – I have to admit. But they will not continue indefinitely. GW are already snapping on WV heels in the pool. Watch this space. Just watch.

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    29 October, 2014 at 12:47
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    #55 star

    @GreenBlooded: With regard to ” signed up” I was referring to your case where the ” financial kitchen sink” was thrown and whether GW could have defended it legally.
    No it was not a swimmer, but I am interested in your comment ” those swimmers couldn’t have chosen better”. I am sure your response to the unbelievable swimming achievements of Westville was to simply state that schools do not have any role to play in these outcomes and therefore choice is irrelevant. Have you changed your mind now that GW has targeted the aquatics field? :lol: Also I find it hilarious that Westville’s current benchmark which includes 59 galas in a row(at present), 90% of all time records, 13 commonwealth medals( I believe a first in the history of the games), Olympic and World championship records/medals, 19 years Midmar mile champions is even being compared to GW’s benchmark which as Grassy says is to ” knock Westville off its perch” Actually in a funny way it is the extreme compliment so I will take it..
    As regards the water polo exploits did Roger not make a comment from a KES perspective. Maybe Westville should look at other ” means” to retain local talent. But is the water not muddy enough already.

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    29 October, 2014 at 12:31
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    #54 GreenBlooded

    @star:

    Read it and weep China!! Any Westville primary boys there that you recognise?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: It’s all about choices…….. :mrgreen:

    http://www.mycomlink.co.za/posting.php?i=14778

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    29 October, 2014 at 12:14
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    #53 Pedantic

    @GreenBlooded: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: thought you would have picked up on the “exceptions” too ? :mrgreen:

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:57
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    #52 GreenBlooded

    @Pedantic:

    Anomalies. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :roll:

    Hopper / Umbiloburger. Johan King was an Anomaly……

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:52
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    #51 GreenBlooded

    @star:

    “Signed up” – scholarship offered and accepted. Nothing illegal about that.

    Ahhh – so it was the big bad Green Machine again? Was it the swimmers? They are doing splendidly at GW by the way. Steve la Marque is putting GW aquatics back on the map – just look at the recent waterpolo results in the age groups. Swimming too – just watch!! Those swimmers couldn’t have chosen better. Bwahahahaha. You win some you lose some boet. Westville need to up their game if they can’t retain the top boys in their namesake feeder school…… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:51
  19. avatar
    #50 Pedantic

    @star: I’m sure there would be anomalies later in the year, but that would be the exception rather than the rule.

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:49
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    #49 star

    @ Pedantic- you said that Kearsney” finalize intake towards the end of April and announce scholarships a week later”. By inference are you saying that no more scholarships are given out after April?
    @ Gungets- the reason I excluded the privates was that they are by definition independent and more difficult to bring into a controlled set-up. Also the capping of 100% would be a moot point given the variance in fee scales. I was simply targeting the govt schools to cut out the pocket money brigade. You have to start with winning the small battles if you want to have any hope of winning the war. Sure it is a dog show but surely a defined/common window would help in alleviating the mess.
    @GB- Yes it happened at Westville but in this instance it was not K to blame :mrgreen: You also referred to ” signed” up. How legally enforceable are these ” agreements” which just adds to the confusion? Again we are dealing with 12 year old boys here. Surely their interests should be put ahead of all else.

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:43
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    #48 GreenBlooded

    @Pedantic: I had a very long exposure to this story at the time it happened – I do know what went down. But let’s leave it at that.

    Agree – any primary school boy from any region is fair game for any high school. Not even sure why this becomes a point of conversation. If a high school thinks they have automatic dibbs on boys from certain primary schools it’s not the case. Lot’s of boys from Glenwood Prep, Penzance, Manor Gardens, Glenmore etc wind up at high schools other than Glenwood and you never hear Glenwood whinging about it.

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:38
  22. avatar
    #47 Pedantic

    @GreenBlooded: Ok, difference is I have the facts and not hearsay, but ya we’ll agree to disagree.

    I only saw 1 person throwing stones in here about Grade 8’s (JPS_10) … I think the rest of us agree they are fair game.

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:30
  23. avatar
    #46 GreenBlooded

    @Pedantic: Let’s agree to disagree. We are discussing an individual here which is not good and has probably gone too far. My initial point was not about the individual – rather to point out (once again) that those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones…….

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:13
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    #45 Pedantic

    @GreenBlooded: Scholarship was offered in May 2012 and accepted shortly after.

    For sensationalists, maybe that’s 11th hour .. I dunno :mrgreen:

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:05
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    #44 GreenBlooded

    @Pedantic: Nope. We heard at a 4th term cricket match at KSP. A few weeks before that he was very excited about going to GW.

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    29 October, 2014 at 11:00
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    #43 GreenBlooded

    @Pedantic: “Financial Kitchen Sink” – the biggest financial package ever offered by Kearsney – i.e. 100% scholarship which included waiving the admission deposit. Kearsney had never given a 100% scholarship before – so I guess this could be considered an ‘at all costs’ attempt to recruit this boy. Know this from a prominent old boy who sits on the admissions committee. Met him a braai last year.

    Not saying it isn’t above board – just comparing notes with ou Star…….

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:56
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    #42 Pedantic

    @GreenBlooded: Just checked back on my records .. would you consider May to be the 11th hour ?

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:50
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    #41 Pedantic

    @GreenBlooded: That could be a very misleading statement – would you care to define “the financial kitchen sink”? Also, why would he be enticed to move, he was still in primary school … not moving from GW.

    If it’s a full scholarship – that is all above board, or can only GW offer 100% scholarships ?

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:45
  29. avatar
    #40 Pedantic

    @Gungets Tuft: Yes, I understand that and all the schools accept applications in G6 – we are not talking about “applications” though, but rather about active recruiting which is a very different beast.

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:40
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    #39 GreenBlooded

    @star: Did it happen to Westville as well? Happened to GW with the 2013 intake. A top rugger player signed at the beginning of the year (was on their radar long before that) snatched at the 11th hour by throwing the financial kitchen sink at the family to entice him to move. GW were actually very good about it – refunded his deposit, wished him well and sent him on his merry way up Bothas Hill…….

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:36
  31. avatar
    #38 Gungets Tuft

    @Pedantic: College accept Grade 8 applications when the boy is in Grade 6, applications close end February of his Grade 7 year. I don’t know when they announce the final acceptances but I believe it is around end September.

    http://www.maritzburgcollege.org.za/admissions/admissions-information

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:13
  32. avatar
    #37 Pedantic

    @star: Agree with you on the cash incentives but not necessarily on the timing of recruitment.

    Some schools are far more aggressive at an early stage, usually at around Grade 6 they are already “signing” boys up – I even heard about one of the privates signing up an 11 year old this year with all sorts of promises for the future.

    Other schools only really start the process in G7 and could quite possibly target a potential scholar who was already “signed” in G6 by another school – just because he was identified earlier by one school doesn’t mean he is out of bounds for other schools.

    As far as I’m aware, Kearsney finalise their intake towards the end of April and announce scholarships a week later.

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    29 October, 2014 at 10:04
  33. avatar
    #36 Gungets Tuft

    @star: “and in the case of govt schools the offer must be capped at 100 % of school fees” …

    Government schools only. Why are private schools not included in there?

    Boet – in the last few weeks up to final acceptance and deposit payment it’s a dog show, back and forth between schools. All the schools know exactly when the cut-off dates are and negotiate accordingly. And the government schools are always on the back foot because parents still have this weird opinion that a private school is automatically better …

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    29 October, 2014 at 09:53
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    #35 star

    @ Pedantic- I have no problem with recruitment at Grade 8. It is the way it is done that I have a problem with. Last minute ” deals” with cash incentives do not wash with me. I think 6 months out from the year end must be the cut-off and in the case of govt schools the offer must be capped at 100 % of school fees. The recruitment can then be done in a controlled fashion and the one that sells itself the best will benefit accordingly. A few years back there was a prominent WSPS boy that had given a commitment to one school only to switch last minute to another school. I remember thinking what life lessons are being taught here and what about long term relationships( mentor) that are being broken. It also causes unnecessary animosity between schools. It will be interesting to know in the case of Kearsney how many ” star” pupils are recruited a few months before the start of the school year.

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    29 October, 2014 at 09:30
  35. avatar
    #34 Pedantic

    @GreenBlooded: I think the general consensus is that recruiting for Grade 8 is perfectly acceptable – In fact I would be very surprised if any decent high school anywhere in the country doesn’t recruit at G8 … yes BOG including GCB :mrgreen:

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    28 October, 2014 at 20:51
  36. avatar
    #33 GreenBlooded

    @Grasshopper:
    It’s so pathetic. Gelofte is 14km from Glenwood in a straight line and these okes whinge about a boy going to Glenwood from there. Meanwhile there are heaps of them at Ville. I went to Hillary Primary – only 6.2km so I guess I’m ok then. Until some dufus decides to reduce the catchment area to 5km – then I won’t be a home grown Glenwood boy either – poached from the Queensburgh Boys High catchment area. Bwahahahaha. It’s actually a joke.

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    28 October, 2014 at 20:39
  37. avatar
    #32 Grasshopper

    @GreenBlooded: agree with you totally. Doesn’t matter what primary school you went to, I went to one on the Bluff doesn’t mean I had to go to Grosvenor. Home grown is from grade 8….that’s my definition. Otherwise we could say from where a kid is born…which would be stupid…

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    28 October, 2014 at 16:37
  38. avatar
    #31 GreenBlooded

    @JPS_10: Up to you – whatever blows your hair back. Just be sure to apply the same measure to all schools – not just Glenwood. Heaps of Gelofte boys at Westville. At least 4 Heuwelland boys at College that I know of – one of who was a star n the first team this year.

    Personally, I feel that a primary school boy can go to any high-school he wants. And any high-school and recruit boys from any primary school they want. So if you went to Westville Primary or Dale Primary doesn’t mean you are obliged to go to Westville High or Dale College. Once the recruiting effort is done, the high school should then live with what it has.

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    28 October, 2014 at 13:46
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    #30 JPS_10

    @Grasshopper: Not sure what the definition of homegrown is for GW. Is it from there primary feeder schools or is it just from grade 8?
    Jaco Coetzee from Gelofte in Pinetown
    Kenny van Niekerk from Heuwelland in Empangeni
    Morne Joubert all the way from Elarduspark in Pretoria?

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    28 October, 2014 at 11:20
  40. avatar
    #29 Playa

    @Rugger fan: Interesting model. It is actually based on the 19th/early 20th century SA boys’ schools model where the ‘leavers’ also served as disciplinarians in the school. Back then, matrics could cane junior scholars as well. Numbers were smaller back then of course, so it makes sense to just choose a large group out of a big class nowadays.

    It could lead to more accountable leaders rather than the typical prefects who is there jus to be an elitist. Time will tell.

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    28 October, 2014 at 10:47
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    #28 Rugger fan

    What is Hilton’s method – I know that WBHS and Hilton apply a similar principle of “servant leadership” over the traditional top down approach.

    I was privy to a presentation by TH and it seems like a very good leadership model – but totally against what we have come to know in schools in SA.

    I think a good experiment and probably only likely to see if it was sucessful in the long term.

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    28 October, 2014 at 08:44
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    #27 Grasshopper

    @Westers: Semantics really, it’s old Trevor Hall trying to get clever…..prefect = leader

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    26 October, 2014 at 07:28
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    #26 Westers

    @GreenBlooded: Westville have a team of leaders, no prefects. From this group various portfolios are allocated including head of school and heads of grade as well as various others. This year there were 63 leaders from a grade of 270 boys – it started out as 300 in Grade 8.

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    25 October, 2014 at 23:53
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    #25 GreenBlooded

    @Westers: Ahhh OK – if we are talking library monitors, house captains, tuck shop monitors, bus stop monitors, AV club captain, SCA leader, all the sports captains and the whole caboodle then I guess it could be that high. I’m talking school prefects here. Certainly no more than 20-25 at Glenwood and College out of about 200-220 matrics so about 10%.

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    25 October, 2014 at 16:33
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    #24 GreenBlooded

    @Westers:

    Nah mate. Didn’t mean it like that at all – thought I made that clear.

    Glenwood – 20-25 out of a similar sized school. Average of 220 boys per grade it is around 10% of the matrics. Westville is a similar sized school so I’m thinking more like 30-35% of the matrics are prefects? College I think has a similar number from a similar size.

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    25 October, 2014 at 16:29
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    #23 Grasshopper

    @Westers: in my day there were about 24, not sure it’s changed. To be a prefect is a huge achievement, not every Tom, Dick and Harry are one…

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    25 October, 2014 at 14:23
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    #22 Westers

    @Grasshopper: I would be surprised if they can run a school of about 1,200 boys with 20 prefects alone. Are there no other leadership positions? The private schools have about 25% of the matric grade in leadership positions of some sort.

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    25 October, 2014 at 13:32
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    #21 Grasshopper

    @Westers: I reckon Glenwood appoints 20 prefects max, well that is what I am aware of….

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    25 October, 2014 at 12:49
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    #20 Westers

    @GreenBlooded: Bit of a snide remark that one. Bit like saying well done to a Glenwood first teamer when he makes CW – and then take the gloss off it by saying “but with your coaches and selectors involved I suppose it was obvious you would get in”.

    Percentage wise it is probably about 25% of the boys in G12 make leadership positions. Is Glenwood much less?

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    25 October, 2014 at 11:19
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    #19 Grasshopper

    yep, good luck to them all, KZN needs a good showing at the Craven Week to show our teams are up there, especially easily winning the Grogper this year….

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    25 October, 2014 at 09:24
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    #18 GreenBlooded

    @Tarpeys: Ja – totally agree with you. Not to detract from the old guard, but sometimes what is needed is youth, new blood, fresh ideas and a whole new approach. Maybe this was the thinking behind these appointments. It seems that they have left the older guys in the role of managers / selectors to keep the experience in-house but left the nuts and bolts coaching up to the youngsters. Great approach IMO. Good luck to all of them.

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    25 October, 2014 at 09:06
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    #17 Tarpeys

    On reflection, I back what the bigwigs have done here. The generally youthful feel of this set up is exciting. The GK coaching team is probably the most interesting. Three relatively unknowns. I know a bit about SM when he was at MHS and seems like everyone is excited about JM and TS has been booted from 1st Team duties at Westville. They will all have a point to prove.

    At CW, RD, MV and FL should do very well. I feel its a bold and correct appointment that will yield an appearance in the final over the next few years.

    AW team looks strong. The Hilton MHS factor will be huge and RN is an experienced campaigner.

    Good luck to these gents.

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    25 October, 2014 at 07:46
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    #16 umbiloburger

    @Grasshopper: It’s about the right combinations as coaches. Mike and Rudi are a brilliant team. Give them a chance.

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    25 October, 2014 at 06:37
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    #15 Grasshopper

    Damn, this isn’t great! Having the coach & assistant from Glenwood the moaning & whining about Glenwood picks will be even stronger. I would prefer if there was no reps at all, that way there can be no question why the Glenwood boys were picked. Some people say some of the picks this year were dubious, what I can say is that Jaco Coetzee, Morne Joubert & Kenny Van Niekerk from Glenwood were picked for SA Schools and all three were at Glenwood from grade 8, no question they are homegrown. I don’t think anyone can dispute those 3 picks…

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    25 October, 2014 at 06:18
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    #14 GreenBlooded

    @star: Love the way you pop out of the woodwork – have a quick Glenwood bash – then disappear. It’s like clockwork. Bit pot/kettle on the over-aged jibe though…………

    Anyhow – I see your lighty made prefect at the Leafy Suburb School. Well done. Not to impugn his fine achievement in any way – 66 prefects??? Strewth. How the hell is a oke supposed to duck behind the scoreboard for a quick smoke or shoot his pre-season steroids in peace with that many badges prancing around? Hell – that must be more than a third of Grade12? What gives?? Ou Trev needs to learn how to say NO!!!

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    24 October, 2014 at 21:00
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    #13 star

    @Pedantic: you made a comment about” where the talent lies”. Is that over aged or brought? Couldn’t resist, But seriously do you not see that there is a serious disconnect between actual performance and representation. College 1sts gave GW a serious go and yet GW 2nds had more representation. Westville U16A was the top rated KZN national team but GW had 4X the GK representation. ( and still felt the need to buy more) I rest my case. :mrgreen:

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    24 October, 2014 at 20:38
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    #12 GreenBlooded

    @Pedantic: Agree with you – but it’s an ‘ideal world’ situation indeed. Every year when the teams are announced there is a tsunami level hoo-hah – allegations of bias, backhanders, corrupt officials at Kings Park blah blah blah.

    @umbiloburger: Agree with you re TO. Great guy and super coach. He really understands the boys and has a great ability to get the best out of them. Onward and upward for him…….

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    24 October, 2014 at 18:15
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    #11 umbiloburger

    @RugbyDad: Pineiro is pretty objective and obviously knows a thing or two. Why else would he get the votes?

    I am really happy for Tim Orchard. He has worked really hard and deserves his position. i hope soon he will get a coaching nod.

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    24 October, 2014 at 16:51
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    #10 Pedantic

    @beet: Sorry, you lost me – is that the title of a new SBR movie being produced ? :mrgreen:

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    24 October, 2014 at 16:47
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    #9 beet

    @Pedantic: You forgot to type “In a slightly more ideal world” before your first paragraph

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    24 October, 2014 at 16:32
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    #8 Pedantic

    IMHO you should stop looking at the schools the coaches / selectors are from and start looking at if they are the right men for the job – for the most part each team looks very effective to me.

    Regardless of where the coaches / selectors are from, you can be assured of a CW makeup that looks something like this in 2015:

    Glenwood: 8
    MHS: 2
    Hilton: 2
    College: 2
    Kearsney: 2
    Westville: 2
    DHS: 2
    The Rest: 2

    It has nothing to do with favoritism, but rather to do with where the talent lies.

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    24 October, 2014 at 16:03
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    #7 GreenBlooded

    Agree. Although there could also be an argument that the Big 3 should have more representation given the relative participation. The same argument would put Kearsney’s current representation totally out of whack.

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    24 October, 2014 at 15:29
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    #6 beet

    @GreenBlooded:

    Westville + Hilton the only 2 schools with balance.

    In a slightly more ideal world:

    Kearsney should lose a selector at u18 altogether to be replaced by an unrepresented school

    Glenwood should switch one u18 with one of College’s u16 selectors

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    24 October, 2014 at 14:57
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    #5 GreenBlooded

    Selectors Breakdown:

    School U18 + U16 = Total

    KC 2 + 1 = 3
    GW 2 + 0 = 2
    WV 1 + 1 = 2
    MC 0 + 2 = 2
    HC 1 + 1 = 2

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    24 October, 2014 at 14:20
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    #4 GreenBlooded

    Jeremy McLaren is a fantastic coach. Thought Kearsney might snag him to fill their void but it didn’t happen. This guy will go far. All the way perhaps. You heard it here first……..

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    24 October, 2014 at 14:11
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    #3 GreenBlooded

    Maritzburg College : the big gun in KZN SBR remains without any form of representation at u18 level.

    Wrong! They have Frans Lubbe.


    YEAH sorry, you are right. I’ve corrected this statement – beet

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    24 October, 2014 at 14:07
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    #2 RugbyDad

    Good to see quality coaches like Mike Vowles and Jeremy Mclaren in the mix. I thought the U16 selection was pretty good last year, while U18 left a lot to be desired. Why Pinheiro is a selector is beyond me!

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    24 October, 2014 at 14:01
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    #1 Tarpeys

    That’s a seriously raw deal for GB and DG. There must be a good reason.

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    24 October, 2014 at 14:00