@Speartackle: Kortliks vertaal: “Stront aanbied en verkoop” as iets goeds.@GreenBlooded: Dont think so, and hopefully Im right. I have a feeling that he could be one of Americas greatest presidents ever. But I must admit, I have been confronting American liberals quite extensively over the last several months and Im enjoying their distress tremendously. To see their arrogance disappearing with tears.
Yeah – I was keynote speaker at the launch. That’s my Hopper moment for the day
We formed a partnership with Ubumbo the team I am involved in here in CT. This includes a bi-annual fixture between the two sides.
Does SARU pump money into this initiative?
Nope, not a cent, and they don’t want to. I would tell you why, but I may just get accused of making sh!t up again. Equally disappointing is that government plays no role either. Mostly from her own pocket and some corporates who chip in. What’s even more painful, is SARU’s continuous effort to shut the whole thing down. Harsh realities of rugby development in this country. But we push on, rather than whining. That is why I was so ecstatic when I was told they’d be playing at S John’s – I take my hat off to the school for affording that opportunity. I am sick and tired of seeing these invitation teams that get put together in a few days in an effort of showcasing ‘development’.
@Playa: Hi Playa I just went onto that Web Site. What a great initiative. I see they have been going since 2012.
Does SARU pump money into this initiative? I think KZN has something like this already. Join forces the bigger the better.
I caught a little of the Rugger show last night, which I think your buddies from Dale star in. They were showing old footage of WP League, EP etc, there was some skill there. We can’t go wrong with developing rugby skill here in SA. Black, White, Indian(I’m not sure here as I haven’t seen to many on the rugby playing fields) Coloured, Japanese and Chinese. We have tons of potential.
There is a kid from Toti. I used to help out at Toti Primary every now and again. My buddy from College was the Head Coach. This oke was tiny but hell he had such great ball skills. We made him jump in the lineouts. As he was light and he could catch anything that was thrown at him. He’s in Grade 10 I think, I just heard he made the SA u16/17 7’s side.
“Clinton,has been defeated and that Bonking Bill wont abuse the Oval office for his little pleasures again. ”
Big Don is going to get up to far worse in the Oval office I reckon. The female population of the greater Washington DC area are going to have to defend their honor like never before……
@Playa: I read an article about her initiative back in 2012. I remember her mentioning a few u/21 names as up and coming stars and penned the names down. None of these players are featured in any provincial set-ups that I can find 4 years down the line. My question is…could it be the actual ability of the players themselves or are they still experiencing discrimination?…They did mention that their EOTT team played a Falcons u/21 team and just lost by a point. Now not to be disrespectful towards the Falcons, but they are by no means the standard against which you want to measure your ability at that level.
I am asking this also because in this day and age, I can’t believe a coach or management will knowingly discriminate against a black player of equal ability when this is so vital for our country and our future and for their own success stories. If so, I am probably still a bit naive when it comes to selection policies because as a Coach, I will want to play the best players for my team to win. If they be black, white or green…If they are the best, they should play. They should also be given the same opportunities to develop those skills and therein I think lies our problem….
@Playa: again, how can applying a racist policy to correct an Imbalance be right. The past is the past, if the country wants harmony in sport & business it must have a merit system only. Plough all the funds into grassroots level and the cream will rise. Racist Administrators are dwindling away through attrition….
@Playa: Don’t know if I’ll ever be able to leave the Republic of Natal again to watch all these festivals but if Miss Qegu ever visits Toti, I’ll take her to Waves. Lol…..you have my number….please pass it on to her
@McCulleys Workshop: @Speartackle: If this discussion was purely on discrimination in sport – it would be fruitful. We’d go somewhere. It is the nerve of some people to ignore certain things that we end up having an insulting situation. Earlier in this blog, I tried to engage on quotas and the racism in rugby the still exists. But no, this was thoroughly dismissed – I was accused of throwing a tantrum, being a cry baby, the “that happens to all whites as well” excuse came up, people said I was making that up, I was told to be playing the race card – and a blogger even suggested they know a lot more than I know on the one example I posted. For as long as there is a denial from white quarters that racism in previously ‘white only’ sports still exists, there will not be an end date to quotas. The same goes for BBBEEE and EE in corporate SA. If we are to have an honest discussion about the kak that goes on in our sport – including the political influence that discriminates – we need to listen to every side. Otherwise we will still be having this talk in 20 years. Look at only one side, and your kids will continue to ‘suffer’.
If any of you go to St John’s ERF next year. Do yourselves a favour – have a chat with the chairwoman of The Eye of The Tiger, Ms Viwe Qegu. She’s a former SARU exec – good friend of mine, and I work closely with her. She will tell you her story, and how EOTT started. If interested, get my details from Beet and I will gladly connect you with her, she’s always looking to engage. I won’t hold my breath waiting for those e-mails/messages though.
And FINALLY, my TRUMP card. Stop racism and interference in sport. LETS MAKE SA SPORT GREAT AGAIN !@Alan Morrissey: I have been following the American election campaign very closely for several months, and missed the “racist & bigot” bit. Im just very pleased to see that the supporter of baby genocide, Clinton,has been defeated and that Bonking Bill wont abuse the Oval office for his little pleasures again.
@Playa: Exactly Playa. The only time I felt sorry for DL was when he was not given medical parole. If it were not for the compassion of Mandela we (Witoes)would have been slaughter then already. Then Jubs would have had to find someone else to pick on.
@Gungets Tuft: @Ringo: I would spoil it if I added anything further.
@GreenBlooded: But you don’t seem to have a problem with him calling me a monkey/comrade/cadre, and stereotype me? That’s all above board to you? I know that refs don’t see everthing (I am a ref myself), but I have provided you with 13 of BOG’s quotes insulting me and other bloggers – but you choose my reference to him being a fan of DBL as the biggest evil????Get out of here!
Please refer to the posts supporting “GB the fact that you delicately pick up on facets of Bogs argument and cannot see the deep insult he presents, shows you how deep and subtly racism runs, obviously even within you”
I don’t need to follow BOG or anyone else. I have strong and long held views on BEE and Quotas in sport. You seem to be a ball-hair off calling me a racist. If having views like that makes me a racist – so be it. Bring on the lynch mob.
The major problem I had was with Playa’s Derby-Lewis jibe. Uncalled for and below the belt.
If the entire national soccer, rugby, cricket teams consist of black, coloured, Indian South Africans and they are there on merit. I’ll still wave the SA flag.
As long as there is government interference in sport….it is racism
For how many more decades must I pay for the sins of my fore fathers?
Everybody is entitled to his/her view. Anybody can quote from which ever media they prefer but all I know is that discrimination in sport or the work place is wrong.
I think where Spear and GB have missed it in their posts to Playa is that it’s fine to address the issue of quotas in sport and 22 years later the seeming irrelevance of it (it would seem so in cricket – I’m not sure about rugby because the tentacles run deep as the preserve of Afrikanerdom) BUT, Bogs rants are demeaning and insulting to any black person. If you look at his remarks he is pointing to the failures north of us, which since independence from white rule, have failed economically and politically and he is saying – look, blacks cannot manage their affairs, it’s happened here here and here so it’s going to happen in SA, the government is useless (they are mainly black) the minister of sport is useless (he is black) the Transkei mussel pickers are destroying the habitat (they are stupid and black), blacks are communists, stoop to using magic and blacks were better off under apartheid. You tell a Jewish person they were better off under Nazi rule and see what legal action takes place. It’s absolutely atrocious and abusive and I choose as Gungets has to distance myself from the man. GB the fact that you delicately pick up on facets of Bogs argument and cannot see the deep insult he presents, shows you how deep and subtly racism runs, obviously even within you, and hence the possible need for extend quotas to ensure at some point a fair process. GT I salute you.
@BOG: Saying “have a nice discussion” is not saying goodbye, and your last comment is insulting enough for me to have no leeway to let it rest.
THIS post of yours is racist, no matter how you look at it. It’s old style pre-1990 white paternalistic bullshit. “And tell your little snake oil selling friends …”, as if the white baas should be getting the “picanins” to shut up because they haven’t a clue. That as their “superior” I should be explaining that this forum doesn’t care what they say because they’re inferior thinkers, and that you have the fucking cheek to invoke my name in your little vomit party. Then you claim Clive Derby-Lewis was just a “white politician”, when he’s a self confessed racist murderer who has never once shown and ounce of remorse for killing the man who would have been president of this country before Jacob Zuma even occurred to people.
You claim to be not racist but this last post of yours proves it, and any person that read it without been kicked in the face by the racism of it needs some education on what systemic racism in South Africa looks and sounds like.
I know and socialize with quite a few people on this blog and may well burn a few bridges with this post, the hierarchy at the school I represent are probably going to wish my avatar was different, but so be it.
I’m saying this loud and clear. Don’t associate your stance, your support for “recently dead white politicians”, your factual Steve Hofmeyer, your dressed up notion of merit selection when you can’t imagine how much harder average black kids have to try to get to that level.
Don’t ever, EVER, invoke my name as you did in the post above this. We share nothing except the melanin levels of our skin. Take your dead white politician to Orania, I’m sure the nostalgia at the kroeg there is allowed during Misery Hour.
This should be considered a rhetorical post. I’m not changing my mind, I don’t expect you to, but expect me to take you on when you involve me. Leave me out, I’m sure that there are a few bloggers who share your views who are better examples of your ideals than me.
@Gungets Tuft: You have said goodbye so many times, that your threat is getting rather stale. Do it, so that I at least can believe you for once. I dont care if all the players in any sporting team are black, PROVIDING the racist regime have kept their filthy paws out of it.Or Indian or lesbians. Its that simple. And as long as there is interference, however, subtle, and that, they are not, then there will be interference and racism in sport. I challenge you to show me a comment where I was racist- but dont let that change your mind from departing for good, please. And tell your little snake oil selling friends, to stop making childish remarks about a white poltician who have passed away. I could reciprocate and align them with any number of gangsters in the regime who are masquerading as politicians. And for goodness sake, explain to them that other bloggers are not lining up for their signatures or their literary contributions. Their crap is not intellectually superior to mine, or yours, or Spears, or Hoppers—- They struggle with this and for some reason, think that they are up for an award for their contribution to sport/literacy.
Hopper and BOG you can almost come home now:
Johannesburg – Broad-based black economic empowerment (BBBEE) is important; however, we need to rethink the current BBBEE model, according to former public protector Advocate Thuli Madonsela.
@Ringo: Sorry mate, Quotas and BEE are racist policies, full stop. When should they end? 100 years after the end of Apartheid. I may never understand the plight of the average South African in the past, but the one thing I do know is I don’t want my kids subjected to any discrimination going forward.
No good will ever come out of me posting any comment on this blog. Yet like an addict I keep coming back for more punishment. My wife implores me to never comments yet I do.
I will start by blowing my monthly smoke up @Playa’s behind , continue the good fight my good man. You are my hero
The blogger of the year award goes to at “Gungets Tuft” what a legend call a spade a spade. True African!!!!!!!! There is hope in our country because of people like you lets keep working at it and it will come right.
Unless I mistaken there is a certain person who said; loosely quoted “they will show us what fool’s gold the 5 nil ODI whitewash was when we face the real Australia in the test series and the quotas will be shown to be out their depth”.
That same person must be absolutely devastated at the performance that these quotas players are putting in. But you see that person is an all knowing and all seeing foreseer and brilliant factual Historian to boot. He will tell that one swallow does not…… cause he has the clear facts of history and the foresight of the future on his side.
If I was being too coy in my previous paragraph to the Bog’s and Alan’s ( and their many legions of fans on this platform according to these “esteemed” bloggers make up the majority of people on this blog) of this world I will say this for the rest of life you will never truly understand the impact of apartheid on the lives of average non-white South Africans.
And I will say this from the top of every soap -box I can find although they may be a little flawed and subjected to abuse by greedy corruptible individuals ( on both sides of the racial divide just for your information) policies like BBBEE and quotas are necessary evils in world certain gate keepers will tell you that a black mind is not designed to deal with complex numbers circa unnamed CTA lecturer at NWU-PUKKE or batting is not for black South Africans circa unnamed former SA cricketer.
I would like to express my disappointment in Juju’s disgusting comments. SA could be better society if we all strived for better including him. I personally did not hear them but if media reports are correct any retort of violent nature from a public figure should be dealt with severe consequences for them. Just my opinion.
@Greenblooded if only you should the same amount of passion to tell Bog off when he insinuating that I am a monkey or as he so nicely put it ” shook my cage”
Then there is Ian Chappell ” Ask the goats in his village how he became such a good bowler” WOW!!!!!!!
To top it off John Robbie on 702 this morning says or I think he was confusing KG with Makhaya.
I will adopt the default idiotic stance and say or maybe Ian Chappell is just a racist…..
That all form me for this month……
Oh Spear just forewarning we Darkies will be invading Totti for a weekend in early December warn the neighbours will definitely be loud
I think I will close this thread on Wednesday morning, so anyone wanting to add a comment here about the sensitive topic/s discussed, you don’t have much time to have a last say. Hopefully its something nice.
Then perhaps we should participate in a controversial poll or survey to determine who won, who lost etc.
To quote Tim Minchin – an artist, musician and comedian. And somewhat of a hero of mine –
“A famous bon mot asserts that opinions are like arse-holes, in that everyone has one. There is great wisdom in this… but I would add that opinions differ significantly from arse-holes, in that yours should be constantly and thoroughly examined.
We must think critically, and not just about the ideas of others. Be hard on your beliefs. Take them out onto the verandah and beat them with a cricket bat.
Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privilege.
Most of society’s arguments are kept alive by a failure to acknowledge nuance. We tend to generate false dichotomies, then try to argue one point using two entirely different sets of assumptions, like two tennis players trying to win a match by hitting beautifully executed shots from either end of separate tennis courts. ”
@Greenman: Go to the peep show next door and watch Waterkloof slug it out with Garsfontien, that should entertain you. Or the not so secret secret reason why Dr E doesn’t want Affies to play other Pretoria schools, or why Garsfontein should stop poaching talented players of colour from WP schools… there many shows on the go. You can become the Sheriff of Garsies.
@Playa: Yep, good bloke and an old colleague of mine. Absolutely Queens rugby mad! Did a ride from Joburg to Queens for their OB Dinner for charity. Played 2nd team I think and was very quick. Now a little heavy for sprinting though. We had some good office rugby banter going…
@GreenBlooded: You obviously give me too much credit, and you underestimate your IQ greatly, because I would love to hear what that reason might be. Truth is I think he is a conservative, and he has said it himself. That is why I own the statement. I am not afraid to state any other reason, if any. I honestly don’t. I have said that I am willing to apologise if I misunderstood. That is for him to refute.
Interestingly, you featured in the convos where I was called a comrade, cadre, (assuming that I am an ANC supporter) a sangoma, a jumper on varsity property (stereotyping). But those went unnoticed. Neither did you come out when GT, Star and Roger were on the receiving of some distasteful Joe Slovo jibes.
As for my references on #2022 – I am expecting some “It was said in jest” comments as usual.
Tell me again where I threw a race card? I wasn’t raised to, I wasn’t educated to, and I will not start at this ‘old’ age.
You are lying!! The CDL jibe had nothing to do with being a liberal or a conservative. I think we both know that. I’ll leave it there.
On this blog, like in broader society, there is no shortage of people ready to challenge white bigots. Bloggers, journalists, social commentators, politicians, prosecutors, jurists – you name it. I’m just trying to balance things by challenging black bigots like Malema, Khumalo and countless others which go largely unchallenged.
I think it was the late Christopher Hitchens, one of the great intellectuals of the 20th century in my view, that said something to the effect of “Of all the things that annoy me, it is the lazy argument that annoys me most.” Playing the race card is the laziest of them all. Your obvious intellect should be above that sort of thing. Don’t let yourself down………
@Playa: He wasn’t calling you that, he was calling the people doing it that, very different. People here attack Bog, but don’t shoot the messenger. His points are mostly valid, we can’t all be positive about SA, the indicators are all pointing in one direction. He is just trying to provide some balance to the wonderful bubbles some Saffa’s live in. I follow Ryk Neethling on Twitter and he posted a pic of friends and family (happy in the sun, running in the gardens and drinking wine – another kak day in Africa type post) at Val de Vie, another one of SA’s cookoo-land bubbles. Real life outside of Val de Vie isn’t like that. You see you can control what happens in the bubble but when the bath water is rancid and dirty that bubble will pop and guess what, you stuck in it. Another high level industry colleague of mine surfaced in NZ yesterday, the brain drain continues……
@GreenBlooded: I gave you my reason – believe it, don’t believe, that is on you. I have also owned it by giving you my reason. I have further said that if he comes out to say he not a conservative – whether I believe him or not – I will humbly apologise and retract. Regardless of his continual reference to me as a cadre, a monkey that jumps on varsity tables and a hooligan that destroys property. You probably missed those, but if you didn’t, it would have been nice to have you reprimand him as you are doing with me.
No, no, no Boss. We both know that’s not what the CDL jibe was about. I know I’ve only got a room temperature IQ, but even I am not fooled by that cover up. You said it so either retract it or own it.
Here is a classic example we lose Roelof Smit, our only fetcher on tour. Kwagga Smit is probably next in line. They pick Cassiem who is not a fetcher. Cassiem is a very good player, but greenhorn. I think he has played only a few seasons at Currie Cup level. He helped make the quota. If we go into the game this weekend with no one to compete at the breakdown we stuffed. Whiteley can do it to some degree so maybe he should shift to flank. PSTD must play loose forward.
@GreenBlooded: If I have ever called anyone here a racist, I will take out a second bond, and treat you and your wife to a week in Mauritius (I don’t think I can stretch myself any further than that unfortunately). Even when Hopper had his moment of madness – I didn’t. I have tried more times than I can count to engage BOG on just his arguments. The fact is, he is the one who resorts to name calling and stereotyping the moment he is ‘angered’ by a warped, idiotic and uninformed view. An act I consider to be just as cowardly as pulling the race card.
now I will wait for BOG to confirm if he considers himself a liberal or a conservative. If he is neither, I will humbly apologise for my Clive Derby-Lewis jibe.
“Hell who hasn’t driven passed an overturned Beer Truck and stashed a few crates onto the back of your bakkie.” – not me. Do you? I don’t take what is not mine. Ever.
I’m not suggesting that Playa supports Jub’s comments. What I am pointing out is that it is SO easy for a white person to be branded racist – it’s almost a cowardly way to argue, Just accuse the white person of being racist and you’ve won – a method of combat which some on this blog seem quite happy to engage in. If you want to debate – don’t use the equivalent of a nuclear weapon to silence those with dissenting views. Attack their arguments (ou GT has done that admirably) – it takes a little more effort but the results are more satisfying. Simply crying ‘racist’ is the lazy, cowardly way out.
Why did BOG have to posted those links on his thread #1947. There was no need for it. Unless he was trying to prove or get his point across about the state of SA and how the people that run our beautiful country behave. “Have I not told you remaining whites get out while you can!!!!!!”
Hell who hasn’t driven passed an overturned Beer Truck and stashed a few crates onto the back of your bakkie. If I had driven past that truck I would have walked away with skin for the dash board of my bakkie.
Regarding Jubs comment they are disgusting and I’m sure Playa doesn’t and won’t stand for that.
The negativeness has been going on here for around 4 weeks. No matter how SA tries to turn the corner.
The win that the Proteas achieved was amazing, the fact that SA is united with SAVE SA is mind blowing. But then there is always the negative OKE
@star: well said, although I doubt Westville would beat Grey across the board ?. All anybody wants is a team picked on merit. It really doesn’t matter what colour they are. It’s not like Kagiso Rabada is previously disadvantaged, crikey he went to Saints. Bog’s issue like mine is discrimination in work and sport.
@GreenBlooded: If I ever said anything that remotely supports Juju, then I would say that you have just made a fair comment. I’m not discussing Juju or Sparrow – happy to if you want, but it may not make for much entertainment as we will agree on a lot. Hopper and BOG make their own beds. I have been painted as a comrade, cadre, monkey, sangoma, clown – I didn’t see you coming out to say I am far less racist than Steve Hofmeyer. But maybe you don’t believe I am, or maybe that didn’t matter. I don’t see what Juju utters has anything to do with me. But like I said, I am happy to discuss if you so wish.
@Playa: I remember Bog’s reaction when I challenged him with the possibility that across the sporting board Westville could beat his beloved Grey College. It was met with almost animosity and distain. Bog definitely has his flaws but who on this blog is without “sin”. GT mentions KG,JP,KM and Bavuma. I bet there is not one person on this blog(including ou Bog) that does not agree that they are the primary reason for that incredible outcome. The problem is that while they are there quite obviously on merit they are still quota players as by definition they are meeting a quota. Surely they deserve better than that.
I see ou Jubs has called for a delay to the proposed ‘slaughtering of white people’. I wonder if he is going to face Penny Sparrow-like consequences for saying what is FAR more racist than her idiotic rant? I doubt it. But let’s keep up the efforts of painting Hopper and BOG as card carrying members of the KKK.
@Speartackle: I am, and I have said so countless times on this very platform over a period of time.
In #1947 – one line is dedicated to that topic, the rest of it is political, i.e. outside of sport – this is where I tend to disagree with him – his doom predictions, his ludicrous claims that are unsubstantiated.What BOG does is that the moment one challenges his political ‘ideologies’, that equates to disagreeing with everything else under the sky…this is when those people get accused of supporting racial discrimination in sport – the darkie gets called a comrade/cadre, the whities are bestowed with being called ‘clowns’, or the more acceptable (though very loaded) name Joe Slovo. Head in the sand, head up the ass…now for the first time, I am getting smoke blown up my ass.
@Speartackle: You may have missed the post some time back where ou BOG said that “for as long as there is a quota system in place, there is no black player picked or employed on merit” – go figure.
If you want to point a finger at someone who brings up the race card at every chance he gets…look no further than ou BOG. Post #2000 is a case in point, as no one had engaged anything race related since his so called “last contribution” on post #1947. And how he was prompted to spew what he just spewed is beyond me. I reckon the Proteas win has only just hit him now, and he cannot fathom how 18/20 wickets were taken by players of colour. Or maybe he is just mourning the death of Clive Derby-Lewis…I don’t know
@Gungets Tuft: I have to defend my best mate BOG here……I have been reading his crap for almost 7 years now but I have never read that he ever said there shouldn’t be players of colour in any teams ON MERIT……..yes maybe not quotas ,,,,,,but on merit….most definitely.
It’s been more than 20 years now since being previously disavantaged……..it’s time we move on and start picking teams on merit.
And don’t come with that snot now that BOG will say no players of colour should be in a team…..there will always be unhappy supporters in sport…..whether they support black or white, Blue or Red, Liverpool or Millwall, Mickelson or Woods, Glenwood or Michaelhouse…….I feel its time to stop playing the race card
@BOG: Get The Buccaneer to start a pole (sic). I know how I’m voting. But then I’m just blowing smoke …
Which one of the “quota players” would you drop from the Protea squad, KG, JP, KM or Temba. Suggest you consult the actual scorecard before you answer …
@Playa: And you REALLY think that your crap is superior to mine and that bloggers are lining up to see what you have to say in defense of discrimination in sport? No Sunshine, just a handful who like blowing smoke up your ass. Dont BS yourself.
@Alan Morrissey: So because of this, they are both “the best team” and “most overrated team” of the year in your view??? Sounds like you’re in disagreement with yourself. When in doubt, always choose “C” – None of the Above, mate.
@Alan Morrissey: Glenwood also had two seasons. Before Japan and after Japan. I think Kamikaze went to their heads. Great team that left came back lost! It will be different this year, I am sure and hopeful. At least the trophy case is not empty.
@Playa: @Alan Morrissey: Hops, at least you keep me entertained, I’m losing weight, I don’t have to drink anymore for my humor or clock in to Comedy Central, you really have got these guys eating out of your hand (hope you’ve washed it), haha and they all think you are being serious!
@Playa: I think it’s about perspective, for Glenwood playing 18 winning 15 and losing 3 with a 83% win ratio, that is considered an excellent season. Also ranking in the Top 20 again, some sites Top 10 is a huge improvement from last year. So that said they could be team of the year. BUT losing to Monnas 15-40, Affies 0-63 and Grey 10-39 they were far off the Top 5 pace. I think the 0-63 loss was the biggest ever vs Affies. So it was certainly a season of 2 halves. Glenwood probably have always been a Top50 school and more recently Top30 so to expect them to really challenge the Top5 is asking too much. However, they have in the past come up with shock wins.
@Alan Morrissey: So you nominated GW for Team of the Year on Ruggas, and now you have them down as the Most Overrated on here. I’ll just take that part of your post, along with a few other ‘nominations’ as having being said in jest, because I do not know you to suffer from multi-personality disorder.
@Playa: Game of the year, maybe Boishaai vs Affies or Grey Bloem vs Affies, that was Grey Bloem in sublime form. Disappointment for the year was the Glenwood vs Dale game which was expected to be far closer. Lucky win of the year, Glenwood vs DHS, that should have been lost. Most improved team, Dale College for 2nd half of the season. Best drilled team, for me it was SACS. Disappointing team of the year, Westville. Overated team of the year, Glenwood. Derby we all want to see, Monnas vs Affies. Poachers of the year, KES for the two Jeppe kids.
@Alan Morrissey: Why on earth would I suggest a Glenwood bias or sarcasm when you have just shown clearly that you aren’t biased at all and you’ve acknowledged it. It’s a slam dunk, you are now welcome to Bush’s Christmas party. Please bring the gammon, and don’t eat it!
@Alan Morrissey: I checked the link you sent – you didn’t submit nominations only in the categories where GW was not represented, i.e. Rugby Player of the Year, Most Valuable Player of the Year & Rugby School of the Year. Don’t worry, I don’t think it’s a symptom of green glass syndrome, it’s just coincidence
@Alan Morrissey: So you had a Glenwood nomination in every category where Glenwood featured? But to be fair, I see you left yourself out for the Rugby Oom nomination
@McCulleys Workshop: Not sure if you being sarcastic or not, but someone had to nominate Glenwood players. In the vote they never featured, but genuinely I still think JJ and Maarten were the two genuinely SA level players this year. JJ will be next year too. The No8 PJ at Monnas is going to be immense.
@McCulleys Workshop: Yep, ask Ruggas. @Ruggascoza on Twitter. I think I also nominated Liam Larkan. I was really impressed with the Monnas pack that mauled Glenwood.
Backline Player of the Year
Gianni Lombaard (Boishaai)
Maarten Hotzhausen (Glenwood)
Forward of the Year
JJ Van Der Mescht (Glenwood)
Dylan Richardson (Kearsney)
PJ Botha (Monnas)
Nathan Macbeth (Monnas)
Salmaan Moerat (Boishaai)
Cabous Eloff (Affies)
Rugby Team of the Year
Boishaai
Glenwood
Rugby Coach of the Year
Rudi Dames (Glenwood)
Sean Erasmus (Boishaai)
Rugby Oom of the Year
Beet
You see not so green-tinted. Obviously I will have a slight bias towards my team, but who wouldn’t.
@Speartackle: Yes Spear true story. Toti has never been the same since you arrived. Even the White Foam that upsets Hopper has retracted itself and moved on
@McCulleys: I don’t think those green glasses will ever get lighter. No matter the debate around GW. School yard Bully.
Bush/Rottweiler/Boerboel/a few other avatars in the past must have multiple personality disorder. How do you manage so many of them. Easily talk the same ‘kuk’ and it’s easy. I may have Green glasses like any House supporter has Japanese glasses, I won’t be a supporter if I didnt. I do recognise plenty of talent outside of Glenwood in KZN and expressed here.
About time too. Michaelhouse must collectively cringe at some of his disgusting remarks on here. Definitely not one of their finest specimens. Straight out of the gutter.
@Alan Morrissey: ok, 4 yes, 1 abstain or spoilt vote, and 1 no (but you can’t vote for yourself al la King 111). So it’s easy, we are just requesting that you change the tint ever so slightly so you can see where you are going in Sherwood Forrest.
@McCulleys Workshop: well that was a bit obvious, the usual ‘anti-me anti GW’ suspects would support your view. I bet if Beet trawled through all the comments I have given plenty compliments to non Glenwood players and schools. It’s funny how those things can be ignored when your agenda is all anti Glenwood.
@Alan Morrissey: And the KZN fixtures are diminishing due to their own actions and arrogance. They have made their bed and they must sleep in it. Regarding you not being judged in the UK, do not count your chickens as the Poms can be xenophobic and very much anti-foreigners especially as UKIP makes gains on the political front. I have never been judged here in SA maybe its because of my thick skin and ability to put my head down and get on with it. Opportunities aplenty here in the Republic. The right attitude is key as well as the ability to converse in a local language.
@McCulleys Workshop: Did you just say pole??????. Hopper is not a blogger, he’s only on here to have his say about how great GW is. Therefore my conclusion: He certainly does wear green glasses.
@McCulleys Workshop: that’s the thing I do all the time! RG Buthelezi at DHS, Richardson at Kearsney etc. it seems bloggers don’t fully read my posts. I thought Moberley was an excellent captain s few years ago. I certainly don’t have green glasses, I support them but have no personal interest in them. I watched Palvie in grade 11, thought he was immense. The thing is as Glenwood’s KZN fixtures diminish its harder to judge other KZN schools talent…
@Alan Morrissey: Nope, you have the wrong blogger there! There is another who knows all about that vintage. I know a little about it and watched a few of their games, but probably watched more games of a guy called Bush who used to be on this blog. I’m suggesting that you try and take your green glasses off every once in awhile, not give up supporting the machine, why should you. But being able to recognize the talent at other schools and highlight it isn’t a crime either, I don’t think you will be banned from the Bat and Badger.
@McCulleys Workshop: I will if you stop harping on about the amazing 2007/2008 House team who you obviously had some personal interest in as that is all you quote. Your request is basically to stop talking about Glenwood, but who am I supposed to talk about?
@McCulleys Workshop: Eish they are gone. I was hoping they would inspire us to all be friends. Like breaking bread or sharing a leg of one of those cows in BOGs post. How come his post didn’t disappear???
@Alan Morrissey: Hops, I’ll refrain from calling you anything, if you refrain from telling us about your degree, your weight, your career, your car, your IQ, your EQ, or the private school choice for juniors 1 and 2, or your view on “make SA great again”. That’s a fair deal, although I might have a comment about all things Green when that gets rammed at me…
And this is my very last contribution on this matter. I made reference to Africa shaking people from their sleep and these two reports, is much in line with that. I dont deny anyone an opinion, however warped, uninformed or idiotic it may be. For all I care, you can live on the Somali coast or in Syria and defend your decision to do so. You can think that communism creates a workers paradise (there are actually some who thinks so), for all I care. But dont come here and flog snake oil on behalf of the regime by defending racial discrimination in sport- thats where it started.Then you must expect an opposing opinion and resistance. And that includes subtleties in doing so. First the sorry tale of Mozambique-a country near to my heart and which held out so much promise, is heading south again. When greed kills a nation, indeed a continent. http://www.news24.com/Opinions/Voices/when-greed-kills-a-nation-20161104
And yet another sorry tale. One hour-10 Cattle. vaalweekblad.com/13778/een-uur-tien-beeste-video-en-fotos-jannie-du-plessis/
Hi All. Plse remember this is a schoolboyrugbyblog. What you busy with is personal vendettas. Plse find another forum for your hatred. Here we talk about rugby! This is getting ridiculous.
@beet: if you step back and evaluate the blog, we (incl me) are a little sad. Passing time by blogging about complete rubbish. Bush & Boerboel have successfully pushed their anti me & anti Glenwood agenda so far it’s made the discussion very childish. For me the blog is starting to run its course when people start getting personal. So these guys have probably achieved what they wanted. It’s funny I bet if we all met in a pub somewhere we would probably all get on, even with Bush & Boerboel. Over and out…
Please remember to channel your negative comments towards attacking or disagreeing with the opinion/s posted and not the person/s delivering the opinion/s.
When it gets to a stage where you feel you need to personally insult or threaten someone with a different opinion to yours, it probably means you’re losing the debate if you can still call it that.
@Bwana: absolutely loving the colder weather, 1st world services, safety, security & most importantly the equality. Not judged for being white is amazing, not having to be on alert 24/7 is liberating. It’s wonderful! I do miss SA but you see my kids and their future come first. I willing to sacrifice having beaches & good weather for their future…
@Grasshopper: Used it innocently but I thought when you were doing your blue collar employment your co-workers were your friends? What would their thoughts be when you used h##top? Bit it’s OK you were called mlungu. Did you have a few Soweto dumpies with your friends? Whenever someone has a go at you you immediately question their intelligence or speak down at them by calling them “boet”. You cannot take criticism or look at views which are different to yours. Fortunately there is a some positivity here in the sunny Republic at the moment. There is a dim light at the end of the tunnel and I will gladly take that. Enjoy the cold climes of the UK, it’s only going to get colder and darker as more Farage’s emerge to make Britain great again
@Grasshopper: No racist. You used that word knowing exactly what you were saying. Like a typical racist you have tried to deflect the incident. Why get personal towards people, like my brother McCulley. Only because you can’t debate and take constructive criticism. You only know McCulley as you follow Spear on Twatter. Please let’s hear another story about how great you are, the bad childhood life you had growing up on the Bluff. The reason why you ran from SA.
@Bush: shows you’ve been here for a short while. I bring facts, results and figures. You are the one who has a chip on their shoulder about Glenwood. Nearly every post is anti Glenwood. Anyway no point in engaging with you….
@Bush: firstly I’m not racist, I used a word innocently not knowing its history, negative towards the negative things going on in SA and aggressive yes, when idiots like you start talking about people’s sisters and mothers in a derogatory way.
@Grasshopper: Wow Racist, what value do you add. You get aggressive, personal and racist. You are the troll on this blog. Let’s hear another story of how great you are and what a bad life you have had. Then you found GW, this blog and BOG
@GreenBlooded: Thanks GB, look for where I went into the gutter? Old Bushie’s every post is a related to something sexual, a personal attack or something sarcastic or negative. I don’t think he has ever added anything factual, positive or intelligent. He is troll.
@GreenBlooded: So it’s fine to be racist, negative and aggressive. There’s no ashame in that. The moment someone stands against that, you blow your whistle. Sounds fair to me.
@BOG: Because there’s nothing to refute. Every one of those links is a prediction, not a situation. Not onesies backed up by proper data.
We will run into a fiscal cliff – but have we?
We are going to borrow from the IMF – but have we?
X% of kids want to leave – but have they?
You lied about the number of white squatters and are still to retract. If you’re not willing to retract a blatant lie that everyone can see except you. You claim AfricaCheck is a government mouthpiece along with international aid organizations, yet claim that Steve Hofmeyer is factual. You read theoretical economic predictions – every one of them with a caveat – as confirmation of your cataclysmic world – but forget to engage reason and observation.
What is the possibility of a rational conversation with you. In 6 months your hero RW Johnson is going to be proved wrong, waarheen gaan jy dan spring?
As Clark Gable would have said today, Bhwahahahahahahahaha!!! You lot are presented with the truth and your best response is incoherent mumbling. GT could not find ONE of the 48, so I gave him several. And I could have given him a link for all 48. And by the way, the 48 were taken randomly. I could have given 148, even 248. And his response? “One goes back to 2012” Really??? Anyway, what you do confirm, is the truth in the following: You want to anger a conservative, lie to him. You want to anger a liberal, tell him the truth. But in conclusion, this. Africa has this “nasty” habit of shaking people from their sleep, and for anyone who will live longer than 5-7 yrs,you are destined to experience what Im saying. As they all did in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Angola, Malawi, Mozambique— There is not a SINGLE reason why SA would be an exception. Africa Addio !!!
@Bush: old porcelain is the most overated player ever, a lovely guy but that’s it. I probably threw you and your rough mates out of Billy’s, Wonderbar & Night Fever too…
@Bush: porcelain Pat not so hot today, I think even Fred Zellwinger would have done better. Anybody who uses the term ‘kuk’ is lower class and not worth the energy really…
@Bush: what you on about, in a drunken stupor again. I don’t need to fight you, it would be like bull fighting. I’m a mature adult, I don’t need to fight. But really a drunken bearded fella is really the easiest thing to deal with. I was a doorman at Crash in the Station for a while, dealt with stooges like you often, not needing to revert to violence…
@McCulleys Workshop: thanks boet, just showing your arrogance. My EQ is actually better than my IQ, but I won’t post either. No one cares which is rely fine by me. My success is life isn’t judged by anyone on a blog, it’s judged by myself & my family. Your opinions mean nothing…
@Grasshopper: I wouldn’t post your IQ either, if it’s high, none of us will believe it. However your EQ has been demonstrated regularly, you don’t need to post that, nor the car you drive, nor the 20 year old you can afford to drink, nor information on your qualification, nor your job title, nor how many people you manage, nor any information on your physical form or prowess, nor anything on the schools you can afford to send your kids to, nor your achievements at school.
@sewes: There is only room for one view here. No-one doubts that elements of what Gob says are true, and that we as a nation are facing dire challenges, that don’t bear repeating on this Blog as we are confronted by them daily, HOWEVER, I cannot recollect any occasion where Gob has conceded any other parties point, not once. And that degree of fervent fundamentalism and belief in ones own truth even with evidence to the contrary, or no evidence at all, just speculation, can’t be fixed with a tablet.
I would like to state my case in “ingels” so bear with my spelling and structure for I am a boer I think every one is intitelde to his opinion so is @Bog I do not agree with every thing he says but there is reality in some we must remember that we will always disagree because we come from different back grounds our cultures and metodes differs to great frustration of as all ,some want more black players and some more white players we have to find a mid way and this is not only a black \white thing just look a the blog commen sence must prevale .
@GreenBlooded: My buddy not at all. Not even close to that area. I’m just done with the underlining threats, the aggression and the negativeness. If you want all of that in your face. I’m game to give an Irish Handshake any time.
After my account was hacked there won’t be any remorse in the morning.
How was your birthday? What school is your son at?
@Bwana: if you think using my name will make a difference, it won’t. I’m proud of who I am and my achievements. I won’t post my IQ as that would be arrogant. Bog raises valid points and so does Playa, the truth sits somewhere in between….
@Grasshopper: jeepers Alan if that is thick then I still have quite a way to reach your level or lack thereof of intelligence. As for your charity work was that you trying to balance your karma as we all know deep down you are a racist bigot? I see BOG is trying to say that the water crisis is relatively new. As a water expert with my finger on the pulse in the industry, SA has always been a water stressed country which is further exacerbated due to climate variability. The trouble going on in the mining areas is a result of poor water and waste management with most of the problems predating 1994. Look for an article by Tony Turton from 2008, it is explained in terms even Hopper would understand
@McCulleys Workshop: don’t even put me in that OCD league. Boggie I get your point, but your last few points were a tad excessive. Now we got baldy and Smurf lumping me with you in the bunker.
@Playa: @Gungets Tuft: he’s way beyond help – reminds me of those Nazis who escaped Germany after WW2 and set up little enclaves in Argentine, Chile and Peru where they sat around drinking Weisbeer reminiscing about the 4th Reich. I think there is an Afrikaans / Boer colony in Chile somewhere-the remnants of POW’s from the Anglo Boer War – perhaps Oom Bog could join them – although their enlightened ancestors must just tell him to ‘eff off too!
Please can you show me the list of names of black people killed by whites in the same period. Surprise yourself that it’s general lawlessness and not a genocide.
In the meantime, I’ve just watched JP Duminy, that quota player, go to his hundred in Perth, Dean Elgar (who should have left the country ages ago with all those kids that wanted to leave in 2012) is on 99.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. It’s all about the wolf you feed. I strongly, strongly suggest you find somewhere that makes you happy. It’s tough though, because it’s quite likely that wherever you end up you’ll be looking over your shoulder justifying your decision, and moaning about your new hosts.
@BOG: Ohh my word, Africacheck a regime front and UNICEF an unreliable source, I’m weeping with pure joy, and still looking for a single ….. JUST ONE … source for the 48 Theses Of Bog. Sorry man, I’ve actually changed my mind, you’re not just mistaken or a little pissed off, you’re deluded, in need of medical intervention.
Just about AfricaCheck – would a “regime front” publish any of the links below, or are they just red herrings, like the black kids you claim to support??
Your responses have yet again, just confirmed your “head in the ass” mentality. These were just random selection of reports which appear everyday and which you, obviously, choose to glance over. They did not originate from some “right wing” source, but from your every day media, ones which you yourself, obviously ignore and avoid. Personally, I dont care if you live in Somalia, but as long as you act as apologists and denialists for the corrupt and incompetent regime in SA, you must expect a response.@Gungets Tuft: For someone who uses Wiki, Africa Check and Unicef as “reliable” sources, Im surprized that you would single out Steve Hofmeyr. Despite being singled out by smut sources like Africa Check- a regime front, and demonized by them, I have yet come across anything which he has said which is NOT factual. You may not like it, but as you have proven, that does not make it wrong.
@BOG: F#%k me Bru, you’ve just lined up 48 credible citations you have got to cite to stop us assuming you’re mentally disturbed or just talking crap again. I’m going with just talking crap, mainly just because you have yet to quote Siener Van Rensburg or Steve Hofmeyer.
cheese and rice Bog you are a miserable bugger. Bottom line chum, if you choose to go looking for bad news, you will find it – no matter whether you live in Sydney, South Boston, Central Park, Seoul or South Africa. Call me an ostrich or jackal or head up my ass or whatever – the fundamental difference between you and me is that I tend to believe the glass is half full – whether I live in outer Beirut, downtown Kabul, central Aleppo or northern suburbs Johannesburg – that won’t change – and I’m guessing – neither will you
Yesterday, I referred to jackals who go into a feeding frenzy, are inclined to bite each other, because they close their eyes. That was well illustrated this morning, when one jackal tried to align himself with another, against me and the latter one thought that he was the one being bitten. Classic and thanks for the demonstration of what I said. It was also said that I live in a bunker, 30 mtrs under the ground.So, I took a random glance at some of the reports in recent times-not from some “right-wing” sites, but your average media outlets, and the question that came up with me, was, who the hell are the ones who are living in a bunker, 30 mtrs below the surface? Not only in the bunker, but also wearing shades and blinkers and to make absolutely sure that no light enters, with their heads up their asses. Before the list, just this. You know Chelsey Davie, old girl friend of Prince Harry? Her daddy is flourishing in Zim, because he is happy to lick Bobs ass and line his pockets. But his day is coming. A quick list. 1) SA rapidly approaching fiscal cliff. 2) SA burns as Zuma misleads; 3) Proof of orchestrated killings of whites; 4) Is this the end of SA? ;5) List of whites killed in SA; 6)SA crime compared to US; 7)Perspective by Dr Marc Faber ; 8)More Indian and white youth want to leave SA; 9) I killed them because they are white; 10)Murders of SA whites hidden fraudulent “natural deaths” certificates; 11)Water, SAs next crisis; 12)Forget about brain drain. Corporate SA is leaving the country; 13)Worst period in SAs history ;14) SA is unraveling- Adam Habib 15)SA sleepwalking into disaster; 16)SA unemployment worse than at end of apartheid; 17)Apartheids “Bantu education”was better than now- leading SA black academic. 18)Magnus Heystek-SA on road to bankruptcy; 19)Time to stop pretending that SA is great; 20)Cry, the Beloved Country- David Hersch 21)Foreign investors see writing on the wall 22) Destruction of Limpopo game parks 23)SAs move assets abroad at record pace; 24) ZAR plunges to new low; 25) 85 000 jobs to go at Anglo; 26) Asking RW Johnson; 27)Investors have given up on SA; 28) Whites killed in SA; 29) Greatest racists in ANC; 30) Numerous cases of black racism; 31)Double standards- black racism; 32) The Rand bites the rich as SAs flee the country; 33)SAs doomsday clock-Howard Feldman; 34) Crime stats in SA; 35)Why Barclays is selling Absa; 36) High net-worth individuals are fleeing SA as they did in Zim; 37) SAs debt already priced for junk; Number of SAs selling property and emigrating, on the rise; 39)SA foreign tourism, continues to decline; 40)Most stressed countries- SA 2nd ; 41) SA worlds worst place for children; 42) The ZAR ???43) Map shows where SAs skilled workers are going to; 44) SAs young white population shrinking; 45)SA the third most dangerous country; 46) SAs say life was better before ANC; 47)The ZaR could hit R60 to$ by 2019; 48) SA 5th most miserable nation-unemployment worse than under apartheid; 49) Afrikaner community forcibly removed. And so I could carry on. I challenge you to look at these headings and to ask yourself if this is a “normal” society? . If you are doing well, very good. But—
@Ploegskaar: They’ve all done very well, worked hard and been smart. I know the main Bluff guy, same as Cambridge and now Oxford, or Boxer. I suppose it’s professionals or employees that see and feel it differently and have a greater sense of being trapped. I consult to business owners and am amazed every day at their business ideas and how they make money.
@Bush: No, manufacturing, manufacturing distribution and retail is largely limited to the WC. Imp/ex division does a percentage of business via Durban port to Gauteng, Zim, Botswana, Mozambique and Zambia though. Interestingly enough KZN has it’s own share of independent white owned manufacturing and retail businesses, Jawulani, Bluff/Mndeni Meats, Chester Meats and Frey’s coming to mind. Seems a lot of white people are doing ok, everywhere, in just one industry, despite BEE and AA and without BEE accreditation
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahaha nearly rolled my Jeep. He’s picked up a few pounds since then but he’s still in great shape. Now with that Movember the chicks will be all over him. He better stock up on the Black Cat
@Bush: BBQ, Spare Rib & Peri-Peri basting, tomato sauce, chutney, mustard and mayo, retail and catering format, branded as St. Louis. 80% of production sold to our own retails, at a pleasant margin, and then over the counter to our valued clients at a affordable yet acceptable margin. That’s the vertically integrated bit. If you sell enough of something, you should make it yourself, despite being white, Portuguese or Afrikaans
@Grasshopper: Vertically integrated Food imp/ex, logistics, manufacturing and retail business. Which started as a small manufacturing operation (now operating 2 processing plants), opened one retail outlet (which has since grown to 25), added the imp/ex division, added logistics (one small cold store and 2 refrigerated trucks have increased to 9000mt company owned capacity and a fleet of 40 refrigerated trucks) and recently even diversified into sauce manufacturing (2000l/day). One step at a time
@Grasshopper: Not really Hopper. Think of his outlet distribution in if he wants to go big. Woolworths, Makro, Shoprite, PnP. I’m sure all of these companies would require BBBBBBEEEE compliant companies as suppliers. The only way to avoid this is to look at export. Or to have developed something totally unique that only you have.
@Grasshopper: Hey slow down karate kid. Whats with the violence. Is it due to your up bringing in a violent country that you carry this inside you. You should be mellow now that you are in the UK. But then maybe you are hanging around Camden.
@Ploegskaar: I’m guessing that is a Vineyard of some sort with that sort of turnover in the Boland. If so, that is a completely different sector to that of commerce.
Some say…..”In order for a white person to “make it” in SA, with all its racist labour laws, it requires compromise, sucking up and a willingness to laugh at silly littlle (sic) stale jokes to be “politically correct”, invariably a lie, of course. One also needs to comply with racist laws/regulations like AA, BEE, BEEEEE— mostly happy to comply as long as own interests are served and own bacon preserved.”
Then again, you could also grow a humble start-up, founded in 1990, from 10 employees and 6Mil TO/annum to a thriving business in 2016 with 800 employees doing 1.5Bil TO/annum, and that with many many white and Afrikaans employees, a zero BEE score and no government contracts.
So, it would seem that you can “make it” in SA because of hard work, focus, dedication, drive and making the right decisions at the right time after all. But let’s not get distracted, good news makes for bad press.
@boerboel: If 1,93cm and 108kg is fat then half the world’s international rugby players are fat. Nope, there were 5 of us but I don’t need to prove that to an idiot. I have completed 2 Argus and 2 London to Brighton, so yes I must be obese. You a flippin coward, too scared to give your name but love to cause kak here. If you said that to me in person you would be on the floor in about 0.5 of a second eating the sand like a dog…
@boerboel: Again mate, not sure where you getting fatso from, BMI of 25 is good and body fat % of 18% isn’t bad. It’s not the 8% I had when playing rugby but for my age is fine. Yes, a moustache for Movember in support of my father-in-law battling bowel cancer and other family members who have been affected, you should try it sometime. Yes MD of a digital analytics and Audience Measurement company in SA who tracks ALL SA websites.
@BoishaaiPa: Eeisch, that’s embarrassing. Sorry man, I’m a little sensitive at the moment. I’ll fix that with my first weekend off in 2 months this weekend.
@Grasshopper: The bookies have the Boks to win by 7. I think the Boks will get hammered. So my money is on the BaaBaas. It will be great if the Boks come out and run everything from all angles. But they going to take it like they are playing a World Cup Final.
@BOG: I certainly did try and loved it! I lost a few friends along the way in cold blood, but Saffas are numb. They just blow it off. Sadness and memorials for a few weeks then forgotten. Death seems the norm, either it be on the roads due to wreck less driving from taxis or hijackings, murder & rape etc. I was closely effected by media personality Gordan Pattison being murdered protecting his wife then a good old friend in Gary Mackay. Yes it has the best weather, best scenery, best beaches BUT it has the worst leadership and crime too. I wanted to come back and see for myself. I did, but one cannot stay on a sinking ship. Anyway, let’s move on to topics related to rugby. Loving the Boks side for tomorrow, looks youthful and exciting!
@BOG: I never claimed to. But I’ll tell you what, I make an effort to listen – where I disagree, I try to seek common ground, and not just dismiss as rubbish.
@Gungets Tuft: LOL! I think you misread BHP’s post
@Gungets Tuft: No matter what I present to you, you will reject, because it does not support your little agenda. But then you are quick to quote Africa check, the most blatant cover propaganda for the regime, and the ultimate, the den of political prostitutes, Unicef !!!! @Bwana: We dont know what the hardships are or were in the townships. But lets keep perspective. More than 7 million (black) Africans from all over the continent, came to live in SA, under apartheid, often illegally, to escape even worse conditions elsewhere on the continent. And for those who want to dispute this, consult another agency of the den of prostitutes, the UNHCR.
In order for a white person to “make it” in SA, with all its racist labour laws,it requires compromise, sucking up and a willingness to laugh at silly littlle stale jokes to be “politically correct”, invariably a lie, of course. One also needs to comply with racist laws/regulations like AA, BEE, BEEEEE— mostly happy to comply as long as own interests are served and own bacon preserved. Like the Quislings in Norway, the Vichy government in France and the uncle Toms in the Soviet satellite states of Eastern Europe, this can work-for a while. Even now, there are whites in Zim who are hobnobbing with the criminal, Mugabe, and living well, as a result, in all the misery. But its Africa, and it will change. The one thing I have to say about Grasshopper, is that he did try.A year before he returned to SA, right here, I continuously warned him against the pitfalls and the challenges of racist SA, but he was adament that he was going to try and make things work, and Im sure, he did. But alas,the realities of Africa got to him, is it will, to all, eventually. I have posted this before, but its very appropriate, an article by Bertus de Villiers, a “legal eagle” from Pretoria, who lives in Perth. It appeared in Beeld in 2010, and is translated. why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2010/01/anc-stole-my-dream-why-i-emigrated.html
@Riempies: Yes ou Riempies, this will go on and on and on and nobody will, can, shall convince me of anything I have experienced, are experiencing or still will experience.
I lived with it in the past……..living with it now
All I remember are those words of Mandela……never ever again…..shall one be oppressed by another
A wound must heel at some point………….maar as jy aanhou die rofie afkrap……gaan die litteteken altyd agterbly
@Bwana: How thick can you get. The guys at work were my friends so the term coming from them was said in jest as they explained it to me. It’s like African Amercians calling each other the N word. Sitting in the UK, yes for the amazingly long time of 3 months. I lived in SA for 3.5 years prior to that and 22 years prior to that. I know what’s going on. You have absolutely no idea what Township charity work I’ve done…..
@Speartackle: Spies good attempt to get them of this subject. Cannot believe they still going on and on and on and on!!
Don’t know when they will realize that the one will not convince the other. And still have boggerol to do with SBR!!!
@Playa: I remember early on in this discussion Hopper said Mlungu was an insult, now it is a joke. His yarns are about as consistent as Zwane’s visits to the shebeen in Saxonwold. As white South Africans we do not know the hardships and problems that our fellow South Africans in the townships inherited. But hey he can sit in the UK and state that he knows what poor Andile in Imbali is going through.
@BoishaaiPa: Where did I reference “the rest of us”. Bog has trotted out big numbers from a discredited report and then ignores all the evidence from scholarly reports that his sources are just wrong. You’re in danger of doing the same thing. Attack my argument, you’ve leaped into this feet first by simply getting personal.
If you believe what Bog does, then my self righteous rant applies to anyone who can’t back up their claims without evidence. My use of 1,830,000 living informally was deliberate, there’s no distinction in poverty, it’s a miserable state of affairs, but there’s no target here.
Me – my optimism springs from a judiciary that is operating according to our constitution, something that is not common in Africa, nor the rest of the world. There will be swings right and left, but there are also limits that work. The Rand at R14.50 this morning is evidence, along with the signs that further improvement is eminent. Greenblooded will be ever to look at the charts and tell you why.
Now I’m going to take my self righteous carcass off to do some work. Hamster on a wheel I tell ja.
@Gungets Tuft: You should realize by now that there is only ever one person who knows everything and who is always correct and who’s sources are the only correct and reliable ones. The rest of us are all blind and stupid and its a miracle we can actually get up in the morning and do something useful. The epitome of self-righteous behavior if I ever seen it!..
@BOG: Bullshit boyo, you have no credible sources. If you did you wouldn’t be trotting out the same old Praag/Infowars rhetoric with no substance. The white people who are living informally now would have been living out of dumpsters had the Nats still be in power, because modern trains don’t need “wheel tappers” any more.
The more you talk the more we all know you’ve got zip other than a massive bag of chips plakked on your shoulders.
@Ploegskaar: Thanks, I’ve tried Makro but they don’t stock it. Will give the online purchase from the Estate a bash. It’s a great life we have in SA. ??????????. I had a buddy from Boland, he played CW for Boland in 92. We were in the army together. They owned the Botrivier Hotel he was a top class oke.
@Playa: @Gungets Tuft: I dont think that you realise it, but you both , probably inadvertently, confirmed my point.@Playa: And you continue to say that whites do not understand the struggles blacks had. That might be true, but neither do you understand the struggles whites are having PRESENTLY under the regime.@Grasshopper: No use arguing. They have to justify what they are doing and thinking, and those, “who have made it”, will think that its all to do with their “unique attributes”. In a nutshell, they are living in a world of denial and illusion, and the ONLY thing that will wake them up from their deep slumber, is what woke people up in countries, beyond the northern borders of SA- the unfolding and developing REALITIES. I can give them a list of “links”from prominent and credible commentators, but even that wont serve any purpose- as they have proven.
@Playa: oh yes I do but I’m not getting into a childish my father is bigger than your father sort of debate. I have visited all the large townships in SA from Soweto to Khayaletsha to Umlazi to Mtubatuba & Butterworth. Some of the smaller ones in the sticks to those in the northern Cape. The one thing I can say is I have actually traveled my own country….
@Grasshopper: Trust me it’s correct when it comes to SA.I don’t have an opinion on the rest of the world because I haven’t been there much.School me on the world.But you have no idea of what SA is.
@Grasshopper: Well your stance on certain matters suggests you’re naive on quite a lot.I’ll leave it there.R1.2m a year in SA….believe you me i would have my un laws living with me and still have a Hansa as often as i currently do.Heck i coukd even help Spear out with those Toti mamas from time to time
@Playa: you haven’t got a clue where I’ve been or what I’ve seen. Trust me, having been in India I’ve seen far worse than the townships in SA. Let’s leave it there…
@Grasshopper: Problem 1…the claim to have seen it all.No you have not seen it all.Neither have I and neither has BOG.In 98 if my maths is correct,you would have been in your 2nd year of your first Ecos degree right?Do not dare and ever equate your position to a darkie you just picked up for work who locked your arse in a fun way.Not after the nonsense you carry on to spew.You don’t know their struggle,you only know yours.Let’s please settle on that.
@Bush: You have to shop local or online. I prefer taking a drive via Worcester to Robertson and on to the R317 to Bonnievale, to buy directly from the cellar, while stopping off at Nuy and Graham Beck on the way for good measure. It’s a tough life
@Playa: and this friend came stone last at Westville, barely passing Matric but he chose a niche sector, refrigeration mechanics. He is now so sort after he is earning that kind of money as a blue collar working with his hands. In terms of struggle I have seen it all. I was a driver for aircon ducting manufacturer earning R8 an hour in 1998. I picked up our labourers from Umlazi. I had a good relationship with all the men, they used to call me Umlungu (in a fun way) and kehla. I heard their daily struggles. They were earning the same as me….
@Grasshopper: My wife and I combined don’t make R1.2mill.We barely see our son,but the beach with him down the road is a happy time.Our nanny lives on R40k a year.I wish i could afford to pay her more.She’s the same age as my mom.First time she saw the beach was 3 years ago.She’s from the EC.Her flights home and back twice a year are on me.It’s a squeeze. She has a bit with a master’s in civil engineering.He’s my age.He’s unemployed.Daughter who is a qualified nurse.She’s unemployed.Unrelated to this I drive past a dude who lives in Joe Slovo Park with a masters in Actuarial Science….hes unemployed.
Don’t racialise your problems.BEE and EE bad as they are,they are not an excuse.R1.2m and living in Ballito….and struggling….fuck please give me that struggle.Don’t ever throw such as examples again,they speak to the wrong problems of this country.
@Grasshopper: I was not looking for kudos, just stressing my point that you can do what you think you can do, and will only fail if you think you can’t
@Gungets Tuft: all of them, everyone has lost credibility and experienced lecturers. It’s not just about the violence there now, they broken to the core.
@Ploegskaar: well done, my story was far tougher than that and I ended up being the MD of a great digital business aged 34. Tough Irish Saffas are up there. I chose to leave a very good job to come to the UK, because as a Economics graduate the indicators are all not good. But everyone here claims to be an expert. It’s funny how many economists we have here. You are one of the lucky ones……
No sooner will Zuma go, and he’s going, than the shit at the varsities will stop. It’s all a smokescreen to take the focus off Zuma. My views of what’s going on coincides with this article.
@Bush: No bud, it’s just another story, but I chose to right it myself. I will first sink another Springfield Wholeberry and then get stuck into The Court of the Red Tsar, which is just riveting and not much dissimilar to Churchill which I finished a few weeks ago ?
@Grasshopper: The data on 700,000 – 800,000 whites living in poverty wasn’t AMPS, it was badly gathered data interpreted even more badly. It’s been thoroughly discredited. In terms of this discussion, as long as Bog believes that while people are being gathered in concentration camps the arguments are so far apart there will never be a chance of agreement. My argument is not with you, although I believe your predictions of decline are incorrect, my argument is about crap data. And it’s over, because I starting to irritate myself with my repetition, I can only imagine everyone else.
@Grasshopper: I matriculated in ’92, graduated in ’95, got married in ’96 & had a very much unplanned 1st one in that year with a pittance for pay, a study loan that ate 25% of that pittance after tax and no trust fund or helping hand from either of our parents. 20 years later I pay more than half of what your tjom makes in taxes. I made it here despite being poor, white & Afrikaans, only because I wanted to. And my girls wil make it here as well, because they want to. That’s how us tough Africans roll, not?
@Ploegskaar: That’s a success story of note. Excuses are for losers. Lekker stadium your school has. Good night off to bed and to read my book: Blood on their Hands
@Bush: All my white Afrikaans forefathers, including my parents, were too poor to afford polony, during the good old Apartheid days. Irony is that I, notwithstanding being born into poverty and being very much white and Afrikaans in these “trying times”, have done so well that I feed my dogs polony. So, moral of the story is probably people that don’t make it will always have excuses: race, language, beard or whatever
@GreenBlooded: Any chance of a Sunset clause for BEE had been set back 20 years by the Zuma administration. It’s ironic though, BEE hadn’t really helped black people either because the absence of economic growth has lead to increased unemployment all round.
Your lighties are going to be just fine, because you’ve got what it takes to prepare them for the challenges. The challenge is not going to BEE, it’s going to be adaptability to change. Not political, that’s taken for granted, but technological. The logical will (along with the bold) always be successful.
So, 22 years on less than 1% of the white population reside in informal settlements, while around 22% of the black population recide in just the biggest known informal settlements
@Gungets Tuft: I certainly know it’s not 200,000 or 400,000 white in poverty. For all of AMPs flaws, hence it being ditched, it did show trends. The trend is towards a growing LSM 1-3 for whites, which has been caused partially by BEE. What is encouraging though is an increasing number of LSM 7 to 10 blacks, but is that through hard work and opportunity or BEE. My calculated estimate of impoverished whites is still around 40k. A drop in the ocean vs non white communities
@Grasshopper: I strongly suggest that you research apartheid. If you think apartheid was about job reservation then your history lessons were incomplete.
Who knows what the circumstances are that lead to white people long in poverty, but I’m putting my money on an absence of any education and any good parenting. Add addiction and mental illness to the mix and 30,000 people is not a big number. It’s too big, the target for people living in squalor can never be bigger than 0. I do know this, the historical advantage that any white person in South Africa over 18 has, hard to see how they haven’t turned that into a modicum of success. I’m not in favor of BEE in any form, I just can’t see that it can be seen as the only reason to live in informal settlements.
Bottom line, Bog has no credible sources for his information, something that a data analyst such as yourself should find disturbing, not encouraging.
OK got it. You agree that it’s okay to severely discriminate against young white kids based on what some other dead white people did many moons ago. Thanks.
@GreenBlooded: Sorry I didn’t know you asked a question. I feel he’s not been punished. It’s the times we live in. Just like the poor Old English man that knocked on all the State owned companies’ doors during Apartheid.
@Grasshopper: We deal with Blue Chip companies so have to be correct. Yes you are right. Why should our kids be punished.
Certain people benefited solely during Apartheid. Now things don’t suit them so its racist.
@GreenBlooded: No because I developed my company to suit the changes.
He’s is faced with those challenges already. He plays club cricket for an Indian Club and has many Black friends. Which is awesome and Rainbow.
I’m English and have been faced with many challenges through my career path. I still managed to get by and put food on the table. It’s not about pointing fingers but moving on.
@Bush: you can duck the issue of a one man band, I think the threshold is around 10 bar a year turnover. Otherwise you going to have to bring in non white employees to meet requirement. Don’t even get me started on Gov tender requirements. You probably one of those small companies flying under the radar. If you work in big brands or corporate world unfortunately being a young white male is a hazard but being a black female in a wheelchair you smiling. Why should this affect our kids 20 plus years after apartheid was abolished? How long should it apply? The world needs to stand up against this….
It doesn’t bother you because you are established in whatever it is that you do. You don’t have to forge a future and a career. Try explaining this to your lighty and you’ll get some perspective. Tell him that he has to be heaps better than a black guy to get a job/apprenticeship/spot at university/business opportunity etc etc etc. Tell him the reason is that a bunch of people with the same complexion as he has did some really bad shit many many decades before he was born. And then tell him it’s not racist.
@Grasshopper: It’s not unique to SA many neighboring countries follow the same route.
Why does it bother BOG and you? What about in the dark ages Iscor, Telkom, The Post Office, SAA, Transwerk-Railways and Sasol. Employed majority Afrikaans people in the elite positions. The rest got the kuk jobs. Let’s not even talk about the Army and Police Services. If you managed to make the cut to go on JL’s all your lectures were only in Afrikaans. It never bothered me. Nether does BBBEEE or AA. Develop your company to suit those requirements.
@Gungets Tuft: I get what Boggie is getting at, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand it. There probably isn’t an official term for it as BEEBEEEBEEBEBEBEBEBBBBEEEBBE is unique to SA. It’s enforced poverty brought upon by a racist policy to not hire on merit but more on race. So these individual’s (who didn’t choose to be that colour at birth) are forced to live in squalor, usually in groups of the same race for protection. It’s exactly the same as apartheid really…
@BOG: Concentration camp – “a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.”
I think you’re struggling with the words “deliberately” and “imprisoned”, to say nothing of forced labour or awaiting mass execution. Please bud, you’re really not helping yourself here. I’m willing to bet most, if not all, of them are on social welfare just the same as the 1.8 million non-white people who live informally. Are they also in “concentration camps” or have they chosen to live like they do. You’re starting to sound like David Duke.
@Playa: How many times should I still explain to you that there are several methods to force a group into a ghetto? Load them on a truck or pass racist labour legislation which will deny breadwinners an income. Different methods, same result. If you want to add to GTs R25 000 which, hopefully, he will be giving to the poor, let him know. The need is dire.
@Grasshopper: I have just read a comment in Aussiekamers, that a Saffa in Australia, a CEO of an Australian company, signed a deal with a company in SA. The morons in SA then insisted that the Australian company proves that they are BEE compliant. So, the rest of the world must meet SAs requirements. I think its time for the rest to reciprocate. Only allow exports from SA if that business can prove that they do not discriminate on the basis of race through AA and BEE. That will set the cat among the pigeons, wont it?
@boerboel: You refer to my child-like comment, but how else do you expect to be responded to? Let me give you some advice for the very last time. Go and read what Chris Hart said, but also Magnus Heystek, RW Johnson, Jesse Columbo, Marc Faber—. You are farting against thunder, Sunshine. Oh, and what was GCBs winning rate in their away games?@Gungets Tuft: I have told you repeatedly, that I dont have to prove a thing to you. You are obviously comfortable with your head in the sand, but if you really have a desire to help the needy, there are more than enough in your immediate area. Let us know how it went. I know that there is a colony of needy kids in Tweni if you want to take a drive. But it was announced in the last week, that there are now more than 260 such concentration camps around SA
@Grasshopper: c’mon Hopper – Unilever employs expats all over the world chum -I have a mate who went from London to Durban to Switzerland to Argentina – he loves the adventure.
@Playa: It is and certainly not me if that is what you inferring. My kids and wife are priority. I told that too my VP of Sales. I won’t do black tie dinners etc so I can be home for bath time….so stick that in your pipe….
@Grasshopper: “Sounds like the kind of oke that thinks taking his kids to the beach is too much admin” …. I don’t think the reference was to your mate here
Now…to go shopping for that good old fashioned wooden pencil
@Gungets Tuft: Admin is the wrong word, not enough time as he is literally on constant standby. On 1.2 million and the only bread winner he lives well but not over the top. In JHB some of my friends are on 2 bar plus and still not lavish.
@Grasshopper: If your mate can’t live on R1.2 million a year he’s a twat. Not the kind of example you should be quoting. Sounds like the kind of oke that thinks taking his kids to the beach is too much admin …
@BOG: My project went live on Monday. It was vaguely successful, I have a little spare time. Would you like to move out “Hunt the white squatter” game forward. Come on Bru, it’s your chance to publicly humiliate me, and grab a splodge of wonga at the same time. It’ll go a long way to proving that you don’t need a surgical glove when digging for facts …
@Gungets Tuft: Weirdly enough the world and life doesn’t revolve around living near a beach or having sunny weather. I had that at my doorstep for a year in Ballito. Guess how many times I went to the beach in that year? Maybe 5, as it’s a huge schlep with the kids. The weather in Durbs is actually far to hot and sticky for me, far more comfortable in cooler climates.
As for the big boys on the Ridge, weirdly 3 of their senior CMI Directors I used to deal with are here in the UK now. I met with CEO Keith Weed last week and he said nearly a tenth of their UK staff are ex Saffas. Indian & Pakistani expats being the largest group. All from 3rd world countries seeking a better life.
My best mate is like you, adamant he must stay in SA, he can’t cope with the cold. However, to keep his standard of living, stay at home wife etc in Ballito, the poor oke is working 14 hour days almost 7 days a week on standby. He sees his kids and wife like 3 times a month, properly I mean. He reckons now even his 1.2 million a year salary is tight. It’s just not sustainable. The guy is going to burn out. However, if you are lucky enough to earn more than that and live the life, then good on you. 99.6% of the country doesn’t. Your bubble must be great.
In terms of predictions, I don’t do that, too many factors in play both political and natural that can cause changes. What I can say is SA is in for some very very tough times if there is a downgrade. But SA is a hardy country having faced many challenges before and I’m sure it will come out the other end. The UK is facing that too with Brexit. Nowhere in the world is perfect, but some are just slightly better than others when you weigh up the pros and cons…
@Speartackle: No cricket for me. Lapping up the beauty of the country and appreciating the cleanliness. And too many Saffas in Perth- Saffas who think like some of the okes here. You remember the PFP- Packed for Perth?@Gungets Tuft: I merely told you that if you have R25 000 to spend on the needy, do so in your immediate area. Nothing wrong with my comprehension and if you elevate your head above your waist, you will understand it.You are always telling us how occupied you are elsewhere, but keep on rushing back.Oh, and its even warmer on the Somali coast if you will excuse the civil war.
@Grasshopper: You’d be surprised how optimistic those people up on the hill are, I’m still in touch with many of them. You’re not a majority in my world. The people you use as an example are highly portable but are quite happy.
@BOG: Still struggling with English comprehension I see. I’ve never claimed to help out, that’s your territory. Finding bad news is not hard, the world is wired for it. Finding positive news is much harder. You know, stuff like Chief Justice Moegoeng telling the NPA to reinstate charges against Zuma. The North Gauteng High Court ordering the immediate release of the PP report into state capture. Small things like having a constitution which has withstood everything thrown at it.
My heads not in the sand ou Grassy, nor are those at the big FMCG company on the hill (but nice subtle reference to the fact that you know my background), we’re just not looking only for the bad. Our optimism keeps us happy and employable, a rare commodity it seems.
Grassy – why don’t you jot down some predictions here, for posterity, so I can screen grab them and remind you at regular interevals. I’m certain I could find some, if I was assed enough to look (I’m not) of the Rand at R20:USD etc, but just put a pen to paper, drop it here, there’s a good man. I’m bored, my project is live, I’m exhausted, I think I’ll take an early day and hit the beach. It must be 32 degrees outside. Toasty.
@Grasshopper: Many are very comfortable with their heads buried in the sand and hate to be made aware of what is happening around them. It may just require a response from them, and they would hate that. Dont disturb the apple cart.
@Roger: it’s called the off season and I would never use news24, that isn’t journalism. I’m aware many people have options. But what if you are a young white male without European ancestry and you can’t get a job due to BEBEEEEE you forced to live on the streets.
@Grasshopper: don’t assume you are the only bloke here who has options Hopper – we all have options and alternatives but not all of us choose to keep coming back to SA blogs and cut and pasting the latest shit from News24, IOL etc justifying our moves.
Best of luck to you and yours – I’m out until some relevant rugby news strikes my fancy
@Speartackle: Dont you want a dog to keep you company? Full of fleas, unlikely house trained, but if you are broke, you can sell him to a Chinaman for a Chinese Braai.
@boerboel: Your flea infested body is obviously effecting whatever grey matter you have between the ears. You are like the proverbial stuck LP. You are obviously in a dog pound awaiting extermination. Ask them to get it over with, because as things stand now, you are just abusing oxygen . Hopefully, a Chinese dog eater, will collect you.
@Grasshopper: Your constant reminder of how shitty we have it, serves as an indirect boast of how great you have it – I may have that wrong. I don’t have an option – and quite frankly I am glad I don’t. With all our problems in this country, I certainly have it better than my grandparents and parents did – by a long long way – and that is all thanks to them. My mission is to make it better for my kids right here in this godforsaken country. They can decide if they want to stay or leave.
Like I’ve said before I couldn’t afford to leave RSA neither am I qualified enough to be wanted anywhere else in the world but Toti has received me with open arms and legs.
I live in a beautiful unit right on the beach although a bit too close to Shoprite, I have a 360 view of Toti, right in front of me I can see the waves breaking, dolphins playing and whales although there are some scary characters living in the bushes on the dunes and drug deals I see daily. Behind me I have a beautiful view of the lagoon and car park for the canoe club where luxury German sedans and Japanese SUV’s visit on a daily basis entertaining ladies picked up at various places on the back seats.
I have RJ’s just up the street, Ollies around the corner, Spur, Thirsty Whale and Splash World within walking distance. It takes me 3 minutes to the office in the morning, I play tennis Tuesdays, golf Wednesdays, I watch Suidooster, Getroud met Rugby, Nuus and Binnelanders every night and football over weekends ( Liverpool….YNWA )
I also surf every morning at 06h00 and cycle to Umkomaas and back some afternoons. I have sobered up a lot since moving here and is down to a bottle of Count Pushkin and 2 packets of Camel Black a day.
I sleep with the balcony doors wide open, my Bantam is safe in the basement.
Accusations and finger pointing- accusing those abroad of doing exactly what the “remainers” are doing- justifying their decision. Im in SA 99% of my time, but that does not blind me to the truth. But I guess, that gives me the right to express myself on the issue and as a bonus, irritate the shit out of you.
@Playa: thanks. For the record I’ve never once said how great it is here, just safer. You probably don’t have the option to leave so make the best of it..
@Grasshopper: Great! You’ve made your choice – live with it – and let us live with ours. If I have to hear from you how great your life is oorkant, and how shit mine is in ZumSA, I will seriously have to pluck my eyes out with a pencil. We seriously don’t care, and neither do we expect you to care about our lives.
The extreme cynic and conspiracy theorist in me also thinks that the currency move might be the result of a cabal of very wealthy speculators on a pump-and-dump mission. If so I’m going to go with it all the way. Pointless not cashing in.
@Roger: oh you so clever bud, it’s not exactly easy leaving your country of birth that you love so much. But as Scott Peck loves to point out, life isn’t easy. But once you accept that it becomes easier. My sacrifice is for my kids & Aus is still an option, best of both worlds. Although having to live with Aussie’s is deterant enough ?
I see that Gwede Mantashe has made his appearance. I thought that you went to school in Queenstown? I also read the Huffington Post, not because I agree with its editorials and headings, but purely for entertainment.
@Roger: rubbish, I’ve been on both sides of the fence before even going back to SA for 3 years. No justification required. Rather speak to the locals who continuously post ‘another Kak day in Africa’ pics, living in their bubbles. I used to be one of them living in a secure lifestyle estate. It’s living a lie whilst the rest of the country is in turmoil. The issue I have with these bubbles like Steyn City is you can control what’s going on inside them and almost make them self sufficient with shops, petrol stations etc but you cannot control the economy. The economy is in a place of false security, waiting for Zupta to go BUT the rot is far deeper and ratings agencies know this. Anyway, as you say, everyone has choices and we should respect those even if we don’t agree. I deep down really want SA to be great, but I don’t see it happening for another 25 years of hardship. So for and my kids, it’s a little bad weather for a better future. Europe is on our doorstep, rich in culture, history and beautiful island beaches…
Amazes me how people who have “taken the gap” spend their lives on SA blogs talking up their new lives and telling us all how shit SA is – like we don’t live here and see the challenges all around us on a daily basis.
Choices people choices – I am happy with mine and if you are happy with yours that’s great – no need to keep justifying it – all that signifies is that is you are inherently unhappy ………
@Grasshopper: They attacked many things. There was destruction all over Pretoria CBD, I believe.@Gungets Tuft: Im really not concerned about your “opinion” other than if you wanted to really help people, do so without making a noise about it. There are more than enough of them in your immediate area. You just need to open your eyes.@BoishaaiPa: If you dont want to converse with me, why do you? And what you know about me, factual or imaginary, and indeed what I know about you, is of no concern to me. All those black kids? I take care of kids- not black, white or whatever. And adults. Grants? Not sufficient to pay for their breakfast IN SA, and less so in Oz. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to take them on an overseas break. But next time, I shall keep you in mind and perhaps you will sponsor them?
@BOG: I dont really want to converse with you as I know more about you than you will realise…but just one question…did you take all those black kids you were looking after with all the grants with you to OZ?…
@Gungets Tuft: GT, I had higher expectations of you. I thought you were a level headed intelligent guy who used to work for a very large FMCG on the hill in Umhlanga. Ask any intelligent person there about the state of SA now and 90% will have a negative outlook. We not saying doom and gloom but very hard times. I didn’t take you for a head in the sand ostrich…
@BOG: I’ll take that as a no then. No worries “mate”. You’re not the first person to spout unsupportable crap to support an indefensible point of view and then descend into verbal and mental chaos trying to avoid the question. Just don’t be confused when people ask what else you’re lying about.
Don’t you worry about who I help out, and who in my mediocre street might be struggling, I’m absolutely comfortable with my contribution to my neighbourhood and society in general. I thought that R25,000 might tempt you into cotching up some proof. Alas.
Heaven forbid that someone ask you for evidence of your opposition of the Nats (or should that be support of the HNP?). Not to worry though, in a few short months it will be as difficult to find a Zuma supporter as it is to find an apartheid supporter. We will have some change, you’ll still be stuck with the bloody Aussies, being chowed by east coast mozzies. In the meantime, please count us down to the apocalypse that your hero predicted for the nation to be on food stamps, I believe it’s less than 6 months away now.
@Playa: Allow me to explain a fundamental to you. If a regime wants to herd people into a ghetto, there are different ways to achieve that. You can load people onto trucks and transport them there as the Nazis and communists did, or you can pass discriminitory laws which will restrict a particular groups participation in the economy – like the apartheid govt did and what the ANC regime is currently doing, and achieve the same goal.Simple.A desperate situation, calls for a desperate remedy. But if you think that the departure of Jacob, will resolve all the problems, then a few unpleasant surprizes awaits you. They said the same about Juliass.@boerboel: Take yourself offshore too- to Somalia. Seaside property is going for zip. In the meantime, as I left, I popped in for an upgrade and they really pissed me off. This was the result. https://web.facebook.com/SABCNewsOnline/photos/a.10150266784426543.344713.122121361542/10154692567331543/?type=3&theater
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: good call. I am using this opportunity to take my clients money offshore. Not because I am negative about Sa,but there better opportunity ofsHore
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Nope. Mogoeng (as the chief justice) will appoint the judge who will chair the commission.
Dollar weakened….. Hardly. There are definitely affects though. I’m sitting with one laptop on news 24 and the other on my trading platform and making a mint on the swings. So yes there are swings in the Rand on local news but the overwhelming force is a weakening dollar (and therefore a ‘strengthening’ rand) relatively speaking.
I’m going to mortgage my house, wife, kids, dogs, cars and furniture and pump every last cent into US dollars. I reckon the lesser of the 2 evils will win, the Rand will tank and I’ll make a mint.
Jeez bru. Hard to believe that in the most advances country on earth, with a population of 350 million, those are the best 2 leaders they can come up with. Blows my mind.
@BOG: While you were sleeping Oom…Zuma and his cronies lost their interdict and the state capture report was released.Judge Mogoeng (the same judge who told Zuma had broken the constitution with Nkandla) will head the inquiry.The dollar weakened to 13.32 (ZAR – USD).
@GreenBlooded: By that assertion do you mean that the dollar strengthens when a SA finance minister gets fired or arrested,the weakens when Gordhan is hired or charges dropped? My view is fundamentals world wide point to weak currencies the world over.Movements have been political and not directed by economic fundamentals.It’s what has been giving us sleepless nights.
To agree…war is what the US needs and will start.That is why Trump will win this election.The Gold Coast will need bunkers and open Windows at night will be a thing of the past.Maybe then BOG will finally get to see the difference between a squatter camp and a concentration camp.
@BOG: Concentration camps???Really?I hope you’re not confusing that for a squatter camp and thinking it’s one in the same.Dumb as I may be…but hell I know the difference between the two.The one is a harsh reality and the other….well….that would be a very serious allegation on your part.One which you have yet to corroborate…
@Andre T: Ek verneem so, stilletjies. In die agterlyn, verloor hulle net 9, 10 en 14, end die 10 was maar 50/50 met n gr.11. Wat die voories betref, ook nie sleg nie, maar mens wil nie te vroeg praat nie. Sal maar wag tot einde van seisoen voordat ek windgat raak en die sout in die wonde begin vryf. En terloops, hulle speel Boishaai in Bloem !!@Bush: You are right- zero growth in a civilized first world country is a lot better than zero in a third world country where they cut your throat for the fun of it.@GreenBlooded: And looking past the next 3 months in the US? Whoever is elected, will have to address the debt @ almost $20 Trillion. Some say, they have one of two choices- war or hyperinflation. However, the US economy still impacts the world, whether we like to admit it or not. The saying goes, if America sneezes, the rest have the flu. God help us if America gets the flu. And I suspect something worse than the flu is about to overcome them.
I don’t often respond to you because I think you’re the biggest dickhead on this forum, but I’ll make a rare exception.
The USD/ZAR rate is not driven by a strong Rand – it is driven by a weak Dollar. Some basic chartwork will reveal that. Or some common sense – what afterall has changed significantly in the fundamentals of the SA economy to explain the current move? The dollar is seeing it’s arse against most currencies due to the looming disaster which will face the US in the next week – namely the choice between probably the worst 2 presidential candidates in living memory, possibly ever.
If you’re hip, you’ll get yourself and FX trading account make yourself some tin whichever way the rates move.
Klink of daai muskiet jou aan die ballas bygekom het, Ek sien Grey het n baie sagte program tot en met Wildeklawer, soos gewoonlik. Maar, inside info së hulle gaan een moerse span hê
Struggling to sleep in this heat and mosquitos buzzing at the screen to come and bite a SA. @Playa: You need to get yourself one of those bank, money counting machines to count your Zim $$$. Its a good investment. Soon, you will need one to count your salary every month. Like the Meticals in Mozambique a few yrs ago, before devaluation, we needed a shopping bag to carry our money to go and dine at a restaurant. Did I tell you that the concentration camps in SA now exceed 260 ? Yep Sydney is not to be confused with Kate and Sydney or Steak and kidney. Its indeed a place. Just learn one location every day and by Christmas, you could be clever. But Im worried about that dog in your area. Already, he is barking incoherently.
Struggling to sleep in this heat and mosquitos buzzing at the screen to come and bite a SA. @Playa: You need to get yourself one of those bank, money counting machines to count your Zim $$$. Its a good investment. Soon, you will need one to count your salary every month. Like the Meticals in Mozambique a few yrs ago, before devaluation, we needed a shopping bag to carry our money to go and dine at a restaurant. Did I tell you that the concentration camps in SA now exceed 260 ? Yep Sydney is not to be confused with Kate and Sydney or Steak and kidney. Its indeed a place. Just learn one location every day and by Christmas, you could be clever. But Im worried about that dog in your are. Already, he is barking incoherently.
@Bush: I went with Spear to a place called Valentino’s on the Toti beach front on Saturday night. He almost got moered there by an old toppie with a vest. Two chicks had a go at each other with glasses in their hands and he tried to calm them down when this vest wearing oke grabbed him. He looked vicious hey, you know those vests we used to cover ourselves with on the border against the mosquitoes. Maybe BOG is somewhere up there in Ondangwa
@Andre T: Get Spear to takes us for a beers. He knows plenty places that are dark with a dash of light. You may even get to meet his Mature from Umhlanga Rocks. She’s pure Sunshine
@Bush: Hahahaa! Watching that game was like watching BOG dodge every challenge Gungets hands to him. Pure pleasure – pride swallowing stuff. I have been looking or something to keep you ‘Pierats’ fans quiet – finally got it
@BOG: Us black people are only familiar with two breeds…police dogs (we later learned that these are actually Alsatians) and Dobermans who usually are called Tiger, Danger, Killer or Spotty…so my knowledge there is as limited as my Geography. Speaking of which…I see you tried to get me with that Sydney reference…I believe it’s a country in a city overseas somewhere – am I close?
@Playa: Morning Playa.
Make money while the sun shines on you. I think thats why BOG’s is pissed off. How can you have more than him and be happy. He’s fighting stingers on the Gold Coast struggling to live off his old Government Pension and you counting your Dollars.
At the end we are all suffering together, those that have chosen to stay behind. Yes I’m blind to all that is going on. One day my eyes may open. In the meanwhile I’m enjoying myself. Viva SA Viva
Did you see Pirates took a massive smack last night. I couldn’t show my face at the gym this morning.
Late night here, but I feel duty bound to wish you all a happy and peaceful rest. While you set the alarm, check the Rotweilers, load your weapons, phone the security company, I must not forget to draw the mosquito screens. Windows here are left open and generally without burglar bars.@Andre T: Ja, laat my dink aan Ertjies Bezuidenhout. Voor hy begin fiets ry het, was hy Pierre Bezuidenhout@Playa: You are obviously not familiar with dog names. Please take me to the HRC for calling a specie, named Boerboel, a rabid dog. They must just add a return ticket, Sydney> JHB>Sydney, and Ill gladly attend.@boerboel: Ou Sonstraaltjie, hap jy weer bubbles en grashalms? Hulle leen al geld om skuld te diens en salarisse te betaal. En dit lyk asof die R60/$ deur Chris Hart maar konserwatief was. Laat maar weet of ek vir jou Dogmore of Epol moet stuur? Toe kry ek sommer nog n beriggie oor tennisuitslae. GCB vs Glenwood, 9-0; Affies, 6-0; Waterkloof, 8-1; en PRG, 6-3. Just to show that they can lose gracefully, they lost to St Stithians in the final
@Andre T: Hahaha! He needs to be clear on his name-calling rants. There’s a post where he referred to “comrades, cadres, clowns and delusionals” – I have already figured out that the former 2 are references to me…at the same token, I could easily qualify for the latter two in The World According to BOG. I am also a witch-in-waiting; a destroyer of university property, and EE appointment…so hey, how can I not think that I also suffer from rabies
@BOG: One thing Dale College did not neglect to teach me was to never respond to insults, because those are simply one’s way of hiding their insecurities about themselves. Rabid dog??? You’re being far too kind…what don’t you just go ahead and call me what you really want to call me?
Heng Bog ek hoor gisteraand op die nuus dat fietsry nou die volgende sport is wat ernstig moet verander, daar word beweer dat daar nou 3 blankes is wat aan die TdF deelgeneem het en dit moet dadelik verander.
@Andre T: Oh dear, my daughter, uit Durban , nogal, het vir my nou net hierdie beriggie gestuur. The regime in SA is now borrowing money for salaries and to service its substantial debt. Google “SA debt clock” and see the debt increase by the second. And please explain that to the dog at the SPCA in the WC. mybroadband.co.za/news/business/185136-the-one-graph-which-should-scare-all-south-africans.html
What a beautiful afternoon we are having here on the Gold Coast. Clean ,prestine beaches and safe. No fear of being stalked from behind, a gun against the head and demanding a cell phone or R10. I hope that you all are awake by now in SA? De-activated the alarms, fed the Rotweilers and checked to see if the car is still in the garage? My fear this evening, is being bitten by a mosquito. Otherwise, a lovely day to you all.
@Gungets Tuft: Sunshine, I dont have to show you anything. If you have R25,000 to give away, there are more than enough in your immediate vicinity, who are in need of food. Thankfully, there are also those who quitely and without show, do as much as they can to provide. If you really care, you will probably find several needy families in your street. That is the reality and the trend throughout SA today, so I dont think that your area would be an exception.As I pointed out earlier, just taking into account the farmers who have gone insolvent in recent years, would take one to the figures thrown around here. Then, there is the rest.@Speartackle: Im told that if Clinton wins the presidential election, they would have to consider renaming the presidential aircraft. The two names under consideration, are Conair and Broomstick One. Do you know of a competent animal psychiatrist for that rabid dog in the WC? He is obviously in agony.And a subject which was obviously neglected at Dale College, was geography. As they said about the British empire- the sun always shines on the empire. Or is Player a remnant of the flat earth society?
@BOG: R25,000 and a hot cup of coffee says you can’t show me 200,000 white informal dwellers. On the other hand, I can show you 500,000 black people living in informal settlements without anything other than a hired car in Chunnisbeg. Game on?
I noitice that Boggie only comes out of his underground bunker in the middle of the night to post his warnings of the Apocolypse
He should be a great subject for the “Doomsday Preppers ” tv programme
just imagine him in his faded little grey yersey climbing into his bunker muttering away about the Rand at r13.50,only 40k whites in squattercamps and his beloved GCB FADING AWAY….
I am telling you guys now we need to listen to Bog and get the fn uck out of here. These are no stories…these are facts…..I watched Con Air last night and I’m telling you okes there are a few Cyrus the Virus’ on here.
We need to get outta here while we still have the world at our feet
@BOG: So, the big question is this, in the midst of this apocalyptic (apoplectic) event, what survives? Grey? Because it’s clear, rugby is a mess, except Grey.
@McCulleys Workshop: You are obviously supplying that flea infested dog from the WC with his Durban stash, because you are beginning to show the same signs of illusion and delusion as he reflects here so often. A poor season for GCB? Has Michealhouse, or any other school for that matter, have a poor season and ended second on the “ranking”? They do indeed have very high standards .But with a 90%+ winning record over more than a century, the tree is very high indeed. No wonder it is rated number one in Africa.
When jackals go into a feeding frenzy, they eventually start biting each other. The comments which I see here- the odd one which I read, is nothing new and it does not surprize me one bit.In fact, it is reminiscent of the false prophets, who told the people what they wanted to hear and not the truth. They were embraced, while those who spoke the truth, were stoned to death.But knowing some of you, that too will be discarded and rejected as old Biblical myths and fables. Or heaven forbid,even checked out on Wiki or Africa check. And we are told, that the den of political prostitutes, and its agency, Unicef, is “reliable”. Like Unesco, they cannot be trusted with anything, other than lying and stealing. Can one be that naive? Obviously, yes. Ask Israel. Your rejection, does not change the truth. Ironically, nothing has really changed in recent times, notably in Africa. The exact same thing happened in Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi,Zambia, Angola, Mozambique, and more vividly, in Zimbabwe. Exactly the same rhetoric as you now illustrate here so well. In 1999, 20 yrs into freedom,independence, uhuru- call it what you like, Zimbabwe was presented to sceptics, which included me,as a shining example and European and Scandinavian friends could not understand the scepticism of so many white SAs. Six short years later, in 2005, Zim was in absolute and total turmoil and the former admirers responded with their European and Scandinavian versions of “hau” and “eish”. And the terrifying truth is that after 20 yrs , Zim was in a better condition than what SA was at the same stage of its history. Another characteristic of jackals in a frenzy, is that they go blind, out of desperation- they bite without looking. But back to the reality and the subject at hand, white concentration camps. It has just been announced that there are now more than 260 of these camps around SA. But as elsewhere, this denial will continue, until the truth explodes in the faces of the denialists. Then they will quitely pack their possessions and sneak out of the country to find a place somewhere to lick their wounds. Personal experience will always remain the most convincing argument, but as Africa has proven repeatedly, it always comes too late. As I recently said to an American liberal, he and his kind, actually deserves Clinton and the destruction which will come with her, if elected.I just feel very sorry for those poor folk who had nothing to do with it. It equally applies to SA. Have a good day, comrades, cadres, clowns and delusionals-your coffee is getting cold. Very cold.
@BOG: Bog, sticking with your political theme, what makes Trump such a wily adversary is that he answers questions he wasn’t asked; or when he has run out of road he side tracks debates with the ridiculous with absolute conviction as if it’s a widely believed fact; or he doesn’t answer.
@BOG: No one doubted Shosholoza being sung in Arusha,no one doubted that you were there…what was questioned was your claim that the song originated there.
@BOG: What I would really like to know from you is if you are considering GT’s challenge? Given your assertions, it seems a very easy hurdle for you. No-one doubts the malais, however I doubt the extremity of your view. I would also like to know if Grey are going to have another poor season?
For anyone wishing to check the veracity of Bogs claim on the plight of children in South Africa, UNICEF have a very well researched and scholarly article on it. This one is out of date, till 2008, but does highlight the terrible plight of children. This report shows child poverty decreasing in the period 2004 – 2008 – it would be very inserting to see a report on 2008 – 2016, and see what what Number One has wrought in the last 8 years.
@Riempies: To single out one camp, however tragic, one would distort the bigger picture. There are several camps just in Pretoria, which are bigger than that one.@Grasshopper: There are more than 40 000 farmers forced off their land- just farmers.And tomorrow, on SABC, there is a discussion on “Fokus” of many more under threat.@BrotherBear: That is the irony. As a young student activist, I very strongly opposed the old system. I was disadvantaged on both sides of 1994. What strikes me however, is the many who criticised the old, but are very quite about the present political abortion.@GreenBlooded: You have about 53 possible examples in Africa. Where have people been able to correct their mistakes at the polls. We in SA still have elections, for one reason only. The opposition has not been a real threat. But do you believe that the ANC will surrender power nationally? A few metros yes, and we have seen their behaviour , particularly in PE. No, they, with Cosatu and their communist allies, would make the country ungovernable- guaranteed.@Riempies: There is no room for terms like “positive/negative” in the political arena.If you ignore the very clear indicators, just as in the case with weather and economic forecasts or a medical prognosis,you are being irrational, not “positive”.@boerboel: How does GCBs away record compare with its home games????? Bhwahahahaha! I wonder who is bullshitting Sunshine?@McCulleys Workshop: In case you did not read. The children who are in need of care in SA, are INCREASING by 35 000 pm. Not surprizingly, if just in KZN alone, in 2010, they had 17000 school pregnancies. If you dont have your head up your ass, there is a lot to do.
Strange world indeed. When I mentioned Arusha/Shosoloza, some rushed to Wiki to find information. Thankfully, I was there. My responsibility was Africa-East and the Islands, ie BLS countries, Mozambique,Malawi, Tanzania,Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Commores and Mauritius. Wiki, and God forbid, “Africacheck” was not required. My eyes did not lie. I then mentioned the number of whites in concentration camps and the same bleating noises from the same heard.Out came “Africa check”to refute my numbers. Just looking at farmers who have gone insolvent recently- for more reasons than just drought, it would seem that just them alone, exceed the numbers which you are throwing around. Or do you think that they were given a “golden handshake” when they left their farms? I wonder how many of you have actually set foot in a concentration/squatter camp and talked to the people in them? I doubt, if any. I now see that the pilots are also lining up for jobs abroad and that the financial affairs of the WP are not looking too bright. What does Wiki and Africa check say about that??? ZZZZZZZZZZZ! If it was not so absolutely tragic, I too could respond with a Bhawahahahahahahahaha! But I have always said, Africa has this cruel habit of waking up the ones asleep- too late.
@Playa: One of a few options: He didn’t milk this morning and got up late, JZ stole his internet connection, there was a power outage in NZ and he couldn’t get on line at 2.30 am, Gungets called his bluff or Boerboel has pissed him off. This is multiple choice. Hopper you also on this bandwagon?
@Gungets Tuft: My well learned friend. “I’m not short of insight, unless you’re like to quote where I’ve claimed there are no white people in informal settlements.” Did I say that you said that!!! Don’t think so!
This is the reason why I said as little as possible. These type of conversation no one can win. Just read all of the above! Going on for a very long time.
I cannot agree with someone like @Speartackle more on this subject. NO ONE ILL REGARD OF THEIR RACE SHOULD LIVE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
Stop living in the past. The future look so much more bright if you have a positive outlook. Some people you cannot argue with. They will never see your point so whey bother? Expert or Asshole the type you never argue with. Let them decide!
@Gungets Tuft: fair point, I take the criticism. But I think at the moment (off season) there has been quite a bit of whining & kak praat on the blog generally..
@Riempies: I’m not short of insight, unless you’re like to quote where I’ve claimed there are no white people in informal settlements. I believe, and I’m too tired to go back and look, that I said it was a national disgrace. All I’m saying is that it is not even close to the 700,000 to 800,000 that Bog claims in his End Of The World epistle. There are around 2 million informal dwellers in South Africa, you’d have to be blind and stupid to not notice, and I’m only half blind and half stupid. But … false claims are dangerous because it’s impossible to act effectively with rubbish information.
The Nats kept many millions living in awful circumstances. The situation now for the majority is an improvement on what it was 20 years ago. You’d have to be living under a rock not to see that. I’m incandescent when I think of what could have been accomplished if this country had not been pillaged by many successive governments.
I’m not lacking in empathy, I lack patience for bullshit. If it’s taken 24,000 to 40,000 white squatters to wake us up to the reality of how something like 2 million people live, that’s depressing.
And I’ve said my piece on this. My only response now will be one where I respond to Bog when he accepts my challenge. Peace …. OUT.
Contempt for the current regime does not imply support of the previous one. And contempt for the previous regime should not automatically translate to support of the current one “no matter what”.
I think as a country – we can do much better than both. The old saying goes “in a democracy, you get the government you deserve” – so until people start voting with their heads we are going to swirl around the vortex until there is no way out. Problem is – if the people cock up at the poles, we are screwed for 5 years until we can correct the mistake.
@Speartackle: You should know, were you not part of the Apartheid Beneficiaries ;-).
Direct answer – previous regime made it worse by preventing good quality education to all (“blacks”) and suppressing job opportunities. Nobody said previous was better in this regard. No reason why present should not be MUCH better though.
@BOG may have many good things to say about previous times (and there are probably), but they are all related to “efficiency” and “standards”. I will never agree that efficiency and standards should suffer to ensure progress. If that happens it is just plain “Slapgatgeid”. Millions being negatively affected because people in power are incompeten t(not all) and in cases just downright criminals.
@BrotherBear: Just as a matter of interest………What did the previous regime do to improve the lives of millions living in poverty and to give them an equal chance to success in life?
W.r.t. People living in squalid conditions; it is extremely sad and probably preventable with the correct political will. But the reality is that slums and squatter camps exist all over the world, to a lesser or more extent in each country. The number of people living in slum conditions, in India alone will exceed 100 million in 2017. It is an issue that requires multiple layers of intervention by multiple parties.
Point taken from above, but issue straddles across colour of skin. Do your thing as you see fit, but best is probably to create employment and educate. Two issues the present government seems to talk about, but have no ability to produce. It blows the mind really. Does SARU and their minions have that in common with government – the fat cat approach?
@Playa: I have never been in a concentration camp but my great great grandparents were so I cant compare the 2. What I can tell you is that it was a shocking experience which actually kept me awake for a very long time and after seeing it now again on that post will most probably keep me awake again.
Actually I dont want to comment further on this because I do not care what race it is….nobody should ever live like that. The most horrible about that are the babies and children growing up in those circumstances. What future do they have?
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: 80 squatter camps not 80 families. But still small numbers. The Dailymail too are known for scaremongering and manipulating the truth. Let’s just say white poverty is on the rise and some don’t have options to leave…
May I ask, since you have been there, would you say these are ‘concentration camps’ as claimed by a certain blogger?
I watched the documentary on YouTube last night, and I must say it didn’t strike me as such – unless I have a warped definition of a concentration camp – it was another sad squatter camp…one of far too many that need to be done away with in this country.
I don’t think anyone is denying these places exist. What is in dispute are the numbers. This article claims 80 families – at a very conservative average of 5 per family that is 400 people. There would need to be 1500 such camps to get to the figures claimed.
The white population is 4.7million according to Wikipedia. The numbers being claimed are therefore about 1/10 or 1/8 which is hard to believe. It may well get there as more and more affluent whites emigrate and the less skilled who are left behind are marginalised but I don’t think we are anywhere near there yet.
Known Jeremy for a number of years. He is class with a capital C. He’s coached at senior club level turning the fortunes around at Hillcrest Rugby club with the 1st team and more recently too the unheard-of Kloof High School to the top of Tier 2 and I think their 7’s team won some tournaments involving Tier 1 schools. I seem to remember reffing a 7’s tourney at College a year or 2 back where Kloof came 2nd or 3rd? Might be wrong. He is completely dedicated to his players and his players will follow him to war. What’s remarkable is he is a humble man – completely lacks the arrogance of the modern senior coach.
Glenwood couldn’t have made a better choice if you ask me. In the future I think he will end up coaching a senior provincial team…….
@Speartackle: Spiesie ek het al dieselfde gedoen. Dit is skokkend en baie mense glo nie dit bestaan nie! In Pretoria is daar ook een of twee.
Stem volkome saam met jou. Niemand wit of swart of van enige kleur behoort so te leef nie!!!
@Speartackle: so if there are 80 of these at around 300 people in each, we have 24,000 plus those wondering about alone etc. My figure of around 40,000 is probably about right. It’s insignificant compared to black poverty but it’s heading in the wrong direction. Within 5 years it could be up to 400,000. No human being should live at that level…
@Riempies: Yes ou Rieme. I know that place very well…..lived within a kilo from there……there are kids going to Monnas who live there……I have often taken our old clothing there as well as food. Very sad indeed……….nobody…black or white….deserves to live like this
@BOG: You were offered an opportunity to verify and you dismissed it as a ‘little game’.So no,I don’t believe you would entertain any sort of proof that came your way and disagreed with your thinking.
@McCulleys Workshop: Classic chirp, going to a school a whole 9 years older & started rugby 20 years later. A school in dire need of a structured rugby program, seems a good deal. 10 years plus at Glenwood, time for a change. Change is good…McLaren will do well, heard he is a class coach…
@BOG: So, are we on for our bet then, but I’ll make the stakes higher. R25,000 to a charity of your choice if you can show me 200,000 white people living in informal settlements. Fail and you pay my consulting rates and expenses for the days it takes, which you will pay to Africa Check.
And please give me a single reason why you think Africa Check is a government mouthpiece. A lot of their research actually disputes “facts” put out by government.
Come now, time to put it on the line instead of ducking.
@Playa: Verify that on “Africa check” Bhwahahaha! Or alternatively, visit Luthuli House in Joburg. Or JZ s personal website, for that matter. There are more people in concentration camps just in Gauteng than the figures you are throwing around. And soon, we will be prevented by law, to even tell the truth. But as I have said repeatedly, why will it end differently in SA than in any other failed state in Africa?
@BOG: “Any information which you dont like, you will regard as “false”……”
Did you really just say that???Bhwahahahahahaha! No ways! an here I was accusing you of doing just that all this time – I really must get my head out of the sand.
@BOG: Haha, your link is better than my link. Post them, I’ll read them with an open mind, I’ll at least do you the curtesy of that, unlike you. Do me the curtesy of at least telling me what’s wrong in the Africa Check research rather than just dismissing it.
As for the challenge, I’ll take that as a “no” then. No matter, it’s not entirely unexpected. The offer stands though, better than your claims do …
@Gungets Tuft: Im certainly not going to involve myself in your little games. Im involved in these actions- I see, observe and experience it. I do not rely on “Africa Check” for my information. I have said that SA is no different than the rest of Africa, and there, political blindness was also rife. Only experiencing and physically seeing will impress people. That did happen elsewhere in Africa, and it WILL happen here too-too late. The human mind is a strange thing. We all are inclined to wear blinkers to filter out that which we dont WANT to see. Any information which you dont like, you will regard as “false” I could give you several “links” but even that, wont impress you.Africa check is your source. I have mentioned earlier, that the children in need of care, are INCREASING by 35 000 Per MONTH in SA. That is a statistical fact, but often denied by the regime because it reflects on their wild claims of “Ubuntu”. That of course, is ALL children, but a substantial portion are white. So, as far as Im concerned, that settles it. Im sure that Afica check has told you that we have no discrimination in SA. We have no AA, BEE, BEEE, or quotas. But your coffee is getting cold ZZZZZ!
@GreenBlooded: There are scholarly articles that show that a significant number of the people at the lights, particularly the older folk, are a result of the failed mental care system in South Africa. The kids, the teenagers, different story. There’s a large contingent of addicts there.
@Grasshopper: Coincidentally, this crossed my Twitter account today. Decent read, and it’s an Argentinian study.
@Grasshopper: Battled to play at Sea Level?????. He played a loose shot and was bowled. GW won the toss and batted first. It’s a very good side. Everybody did something not just one oke.
@BOG: Are 1 in 6 white South Africans in informal settlements, yes or no. You claimed a stat, Ernst Roots used false information. Simple. Your argument is invalid, no matter how many images of cholic ridden babies you invoke. False data, false argument.
Here’s my challenge. After 19 November I will take a week off work. I will
Fly to wherever you want me to, I will cover your costs and mine, and we will count as many people in informal settlement as we can find. If we get to 400,000 (1/2 of your claim), I will buy front page advertising in the newspaper of your choice and post an apology.
If we can’t find 400,000 people you will refund my costs, you will pay me my consulting rate for the time it takes.
Cock on the block time. Easy choice for you, Africa Check is an ANC mouthpiece, Dan Roodt and Steve Hofmeyer are the Oracles, it’s victory assured.
@Gungets Tuft: As they say, Bhawahahaha !! Using Africacheck to refute the stats???? You may as well use the personal website of the ANC regime to do so. But I was just woken up by a “revelation”. All these ideas that I have of discrimination, is a figment of my imagination.We live in a racial paradise, with no discrimination. AA, BEE and quotas has just been a dream. Yeah, and my grandfather was pope Alfonso V. Im sure that Africacheck would confirm that too. But, There is obviously a very widespread ignorance about how many whites are living in abject poverty as a result of racist legislation. Right now, I could go to camps, some on farms, where there are several thousand white people staying. And this excludes people who are, at this stage , borderline cases, people still living in “middle class” suburbs, but who are sitting around, their gas cylinders in the evenings cooking a meal because they do not have the means to re-connect the power. But too proud to say anything. And many of them, graduates. In Pretoria east, regarded as the most affluent area of SA, the schools are assisting dozens of families with food. How then, does it look elsewhere? I know of a case where a mother had water on the gas cylinder with nothing but water in the pot, hoping that her 2 children would fall asleep, while waiting for something to eat. I notice that there is great ignorance about what is REALLY going on, and Im sure that it will persist for as long as people race from their walled estate home to the mall and back, wearing dark glasses and eye patches, used by race horses, to blot out the realities around them- with “Africacheck” soothing their consciences. But the reality check will come when SAs credit rating is downgraded to trash and the catastrophic consequences that go along with it.@Grasshopper: The emergence and establishment of a middle class, no matter who and where, is something that should be pleasing, but if it is driven by inflated government jobs or as”tenderpreneurs”, its a different matter and certainly not sustainable. But, then, there are many things in SA which are not sustainable and the next few years will prove it.
There is nothing that changes attitudes to beggars (of any complexion) than the sight of a poverty stricken Thai bricklayer who had somehow lost both his legs at the knee. I saw this fella whilst on a visa run there during my Malaysia project in 1999/2000. Hoisted himself up the bamboo scaffold (which is famous lapa side), sat himself down and gooied it. No use having a victim mentality when there is no-one who gives a toss – you make it happen or you die. Forever changed my attitude to all others with a victim mentality. The beggars at the robots are not there cos of apartheid, BEE, AA or any other such bollocks. They are there cos they choose to be and because there is a never ending supply of enablers. Try offering one of them a job and see what happens. Tried it many times. They won’t even get in the bakkie………
@Grasshopper: My son was 7, my daughter was 10. I remember my wife telling me that, no matter what happened, we had to be able to keep them at their respective schools. Extra incentive. The meek don’t inherit the earth, the bold do.
@Gungets Tuft: yeah, but your kids are through the system. I have a 4 year old & 17 month old, very different circumstances. When it only affects you it’s easier to take that risk. I won’t do that, my kids are too important to me. Gosh, I’ll miss SA, best country in the world by far, but it’s my gift to my kids….
@Grasshopper: I wasn’t a risk taker either, cubicle dweller of note, till my hand was forced. Had zero backing, my parents had nothing, I had to pay in when they died, but sometimes the kick up the arse that life deals gets you going. I wake up every morning unemployed and realise that my tenure is only as good as my results that day. It’s as stressful as hell, but hugely rewarding. Hell, just being asked to do another project is a self esteem booster. Next year this time I might be at the lights, but this is Africa. Whether you’re prey or predator, you have to wake up running.
@Gungets Tuft: you spot on, evolve or die. For me I could have startedmy own thing but I’m not enough of a risk taker to do so. I’ve got plenty mates with wealthy parents backing the and doing well in their own businesses. I don’t have that support so need corporate jobs to provide for my family. My wife is in beauty so can’t make huge cash in the industry unless she runs her own Spa. I’m more qualified & experienced than some big cheese directors in my industry but they got there because of their skin colour, sorry one cannot just shrug that off. I had a boss who was less educated telling me what to do…
@Grasshopper: 20 years ago the white beggars would be working in the police force, the army, Iscor, Spoorweg or the post office. Imagine their surprise when the “job for life” disappeared.
Here’s the thing. At the age of 45 I was retrenched as part of a BEE target realignment. I was offered an equivalent position in the company but I didn’t like the role. I retreaded myself, studied, added a qualification as the ballie by double the years compared to the rest of the purple studying. I’m no standout academic, nor more skilled than anyone else, I’m just evolutionary. I realise that change is inevitable and keep my peripheral vision active for opportunity. I’m not saying that the people at the lights deserve to be there, but they are, or were raised by, non evolutionary people. I find it astonishing that people can go off about unqualified BEE beneficiaries, stupid this and “them”, then find it impossible to compete. How does that work?
You and I both know people hit by the new BEE requirements. It’s WRONG, no disputing that, but you can either capitulate, or get out there an do something different. Even you are young enough that, if you do it right, the job you’ll be doing at retirement hasn’t been invented yet. I know Devinity grads who own supermarkets, doctors running fishing shops, engineers who are personal finance advisors, home economics grads who run IT companies and programmers who now run projects. Adapt.
@Gungets Tuft: let’s put it into perspective though, the black middle class has grown substantionally in the past 20 years. I lived in a middle class estate in Broadacres and of the 80 houses 50 were owned or rented by black middle class, no rent under R12k a month. On the other end white poor has probably increased at a similar rate. I never saw a white beggar 20 years ago, now it’s pretty normal. The swing will take 50 years but it’s happening now…
@Grasshopper: Read the article. There’s no benefit to false data. It feeds conspiracy and weakens the resolve to deal with it. 7800 white households of 4. 1.8 million black households of the same size. Take race out of it, both “sets” have been put there by government policy, and it’s a national shame. Bog is all indignant about the one, but not the other, as if one group deserves it and the other not. He’s resorting to ad hominem argument and personal insults for some reason, it doesn’t contribute to rational debate. It’s just tiring. I’ve enough on my plate without it. I really did start this and had no intention of carrying it on, but bullsh#t stats need to be challenged, because it is dangerous for everyone.
@Grasshopper: Hops I’m one of those okes. Since Fees Must Fall I’m now begging. Just to get my boy through House. Hey my new best buddy, how’s a few pounds for your buddy ????????. I will make it look like ?
@Gungets Tuft: 400,000 is obviously bullocks, but 50,000 might be reality. What is considered breadline? Under R5,000 a month family income? If that is the case within 5 years 400k could be right. BEEE is causing plenty whites to look for alternatives….
@Gungets Tuft: Unlike you, I deal with people who have been victims of racist laws, on a daily basis. There are those, like your comrade, who hinted that there is no white genocide. But genocide does not just happen- there are clear identifiable phases. SA is at level 6, where people of a group is herded into a ghetto. There are 2 ways to achieve this. You can physically chuck them on a truck and cart them there or you can introduce laws or regulations to achieve that. Many , in an attempt to sooth their conscience or deny the truth, think that the people in squatter camps- actually concentration camps, are there because they are uneducated, lazy, addicts—.Of course, there are those, but many are decent, skilled people, including graduates, who have lost their jobs as a result of discrimination regulations like AA and BEE. The difference between them and black squatters, is that no laws discriminate against the black squatters. Currently, there are about 700- 800 000 whites in these camps. If you drive past such camps with your dark glasses on, it does not mean that they are not there. It means that you are blind to reality. 119 race laws. http://wp_me/p56NdO-np#StopWhiteGenocideinSA
@Grasshopper: I didn’t defend laws that discriminate, I merely pointed out they are not racist. Unless there is the claim of superiority based on race. If you want to discuss discrimination, go for it.
@BOG: Name a racist law passed since 1990, then you have a discussion. Should be easy, you’ve over 100 to choose from.
The Commisariate is in session. No racist law passed since 1990??? How laughable, with more than a 100 laws/regulations which restrict the participation of white people in the economy/society. Actually disgusting. But with vulnerable children who are in need of care, INCREASING by 35 000 pm in SA, I need to run off, otherwise I too, may just be tempted to crack stupid little jokes in an effort to avoid the truth. As stupid as those comments might be, it does confirm one thing. SA is no different from the rest of Africa and there is not a single reason why the eventual outcome, will not be the same. Sad but very true.
@Gungets Tuft: dude, sorry any legislation that is based on race eg quotas is wrong. It’s against global laws. I say f$&k quotas & f$&k BEEEEEEE, it’s bullocks! Thank the lord I’m out of that kak and my kids can be judged on talent alone. I don’t expect them to
Be national level but if they do get there at least I know it’s on merit & legit ?. Viva democracy! Viva equality ?
@Gungets Tuft: Nail on the head!
On that note…this cANCer will also drift off for a week or so..silly season ahead.I’ll focus on the many schoolboy rugby threads Beet has just blessed us with.
@Playa: Yep, sadly, you were right. The ability to distinguish between discrimination and racism.
If I had the energy (I don’t, my work has me running like a cane rat on crack) I’d engage, but nobody seems to have read and tried to understand the definition and the consequences of the definition. For instance, I can’t think of a law passed since 1990 that was racist. Discriminatory, absolutely, all BEE legislation is discriminatory. Once it’s understood as that, real debate can start. It discriminates between race groups, but there’s no claim that one group is superior. One might argue that the discriminatory legislation strengthens perceptions that one group is superior because laws are needed to protect certain interests, I am surprised that not one person even thought of that.
That’s me. I have the biggest project of my life bearing down like a freight train, this week was the longest month of my life. I shouldn’t have started something I don’t have the energy to finish. I’ll just drift off then, I’ve got a weekend of work…
@Playa: I think that BOGITIS has less impact on ones ability to think rational, certainly less destructive or damaging than cANCer. From what Im seeing, its incurable and very contagious.
@star:I hear you better now. Thought youd been infected with BOGITIS.But that has nothing to do with the definition of racist as quoted by Gungets.What you are talking about is a whole other ball game.
@Playa: My point was that racism is not generic and is a result of how individuals respond and reconcile differences . I am not saying the Japanese person is vindicated in thinking he is superior because of his planning horizons. Rather the other races must not feel inferior as they offer different strengths. Is that not the argument for the strength in diversity of the Rainbow nation.
@Playa: No, only you have the ability to read it as you want to understand it. Are all Xhosas racist, incompetent communist thieves because the ANC regime has 4x as many racist laws to protect a majority, than the Nats had to protect a minority?
@GreenBlooded: You better put that question to Comrade Player, their local Commissar. And they will abuse that to silence their critics. Its Africa. Criticism and opposition is tolerated until their power is threatened and then, its over to the next stage of the revolution. All the revolutions are the same- only the duration differs. But the results, identical.
@star: @BrotherBear: Are you guys really reading what you’re writing.
If a Japanese person said because the Japanese people plan for 25 years and therfore every other race is inferior…racist and needs help
If I said blacks are superior to whites because they cant jump…racist and need help
We are better atheletes and therefore we are superior beings…racist and need help
In fact those are not racists….those would just be mentality demented human beings
Are all Afrikaners racist because the Nats ran a racist regime?Do all Germans subscribe to Nazism?Jeeez guys,seriously.Racism is individual (in most cases)
@BOG: No surprise there ou BOG. Seems to follow standard ANC policy of protecting people with genocidal tendencies if today’s announcement is anything to go by. Bliksem – is there anything these okes won’t do to protect evil leaders?? And it seems like ou Pravin is the last man standing in the good corner. The new PPE is sounding more dodgy by the second……
@BOG: Yep, I wouldn’t say Glenwood Old Boys, they very special people. More Glenwood Old staff…I have seen the evidence too…..Mr Dames is off to the old capital…
@Grasshopper: I hear confidentially- even seen a picture to confirm, that Bush surrounded himself with GW old boys at the Wild Coast, which probably explains his attempt at reconciliation. Speartackle , elsewhere, gives a link to that evidence.
@Grasshopper: Hopper, please let’s start off by not digging up the past. Leave it in the past. We all know bad things have happened. Only good can come from bad experiences. I’m a lekker oke, I even get on with ref’s. That takes a lot.
@Bush: Well then stop getting a kick out of winding people up, that is an irritating trait. Before you start about Glenwood can’t do no wrong, I have never said that. In fact I have always questioned TK and co over the years. I could post an email I sent him and his response here, but that could be used as evidence in his court case, who knows. All I want is trust and transparency, openess and truth. You are probably a lekker ou….who knows…
@Grasshopper: Whahahahaha nearly rolled my bakkie. No hatred compared to what I have been reading above for the past 2 weeks. I love everybody(Sisters included) and everything. Be it Green, Grey,Maroon, English,Afrikaans,Zulu,Indian, Coloured, Japanese,Chinese, Portuguese. Makes no difference to me. Viva SA Viva.
I shout at taxi drivers, in fact all bad drivers. I shout at my TV when it goes black and white.
I get pissed, say stupid things. I stay sober, say stupid things. I’m human after all. Hell man, I’m glad to be alive and living everyday to the best that I can. Viva SA Viva.
Just shout if you need that hug.
@BrotherBear: How can something that is scientifically measureable, be racist? Correction on your comment. I believe that Asians are second after the Jewish community. But here is something for you to digest. My daughter, belonging to the 3rd/4th highest group, is about to teach the Asians Oxford English soon?? In the meantime, back in SA, Sparrow is fined R150 000 for making derogatory remarks about blacks, while a black who calls for the murder of white men, women, babies , cripples and the blind, is given a bursary by the government to study. https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1001349369990769&set=gm.1668801733431762&type=3&theater
@BrotherBear: One could say whites are better swimmers, but that is untrue. If blacks have the opportunity they could swim just as well. BUT for swimming you normally need especially large feet, large hands, broad shoulders and over 6 foot, not a natural black physical attribute. There are obviously exceptions to the norm. Usian Bolt if trained properly could maybe compete with Phelps…
@Gungets Tuft: one can then argue that racism is quite natural.
1. Natural – facts are that in general people from an Asian background have the highest average IQ in the world. That makes them “superior”, does it not? Fact is also that “African” men and women dominate athletic sprints. That makes them “superior” does it not? To say that either race is in general better or superior to the other would however be socially unacceptable. Would be difficult to find a person that runs the fastest, jumps the furthest, is the brightest and smiles the widest, of them all. All people are good and bad at something and others are always better than us. So what?
To say that you have more “rights” than another because of this superiority is however wrong. But it happens all the time. Bright students and good athletes get bursaries where others don’t. Is that not a form of “discrimination”? Nehehe
@Gungets Tuft: I remember when doing my Business Admin course being specifically taught that the Japanese had a 25 year planning horizon as opposed to other groups that had far less. According to your definition I was being taught racism. I also did not feel personally victimised in the same way I do not have a problem when being told that ” White boys cannot jump”. Surely our diversity is our strength and even the GW okes have something to offer.
@Gungets Tuft: Not forgetting childish, insulting little comments, like “getting that through”, thereby suggesting, mostly not even subtle,that members of other cultural groups are inferior.Perhaps we should move on to average IQs of different groups and see where each one of us, fits in.
@Gungets Tuft: the thing is people subconsciously apply many prejudices in their minds, nothing to do with race. Eg stupidity is one. But if that prejudice happens to be between two people of different races people automatically assume racism. I have a few prejudices, Bush’ism & Boerboelism are just two….
Is it only because that definition might alter the nature of many arguments that South Africans have in these turbulent days. No matter, it was a dead end anyway.
@BOG: Racism is not about hating another race, it’s about believing that you’re superior to someone of a different race.
Definition – the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
@Bush: No poaching, you make me laugh!!! Half the school comes from outside the province and ‘poaching’ or ‘enticing’ is done very quietly. Bursaries are not fully disclosed and there are plenty of silent investors. I’m no fool, I know quite a few House OB’s who tell me what actually happens. Now this isn’t exclusive to House, it happens everywhere and has done so for decades. Glenwood certainly are no angels, the Kershaw arrest proves that. BUT there are some very good people, coaches and teachers there doing their best and within the rules. They don’t have to have a winning team but to survive they need winning sports to attract fee paying kids. You see House don’t have that issue, they wallowing in old money. To survive as a Gov school these days is super tough and getting harder. The management have to think of every revenue scheme possible. Getting OB’s to contribute to building a strong sports programme is part of that. I certainly don’t need a hug or support from someone so childish and vehemently anti a very good Gov school set in an area that is fast becoming derelict. House can sit pretty in their safe multi-hectare campus looking down on the Gov schools with politicians money in their pockets (ANC MP’s sending kids there), that is fine but by living in a bubble like that the kids are not learning about the real tough world out there. I loved the fact that Glenwood was and is so diverse, with wealthy kids, not so wealthy kids and from all walks of life. A real representation of society. Good luck to House beating St Johns, St Stithians, Crawford and all the little private schools springing up everywhere…..
@Grasshopper: Well its worse with you regarding GW. They can do no wrong.
I accept that MHS are struggling and take a beating-so what. You roll polony, I roll my bakkie.
Things at MHS have changed. No poaching, no Post Matrics, no more GW fixture. How have things changed at GW? We may have a great rugby year in 3-4 years time. GW must have that year, every year or else!!!!!!
Yes I may have been there, I don’t do politics or school politics.
I’m gratefully and blessed with what I have. If I can help in any way I will always try. That means with you to Hopper-just shout if you need that hug.
@Bush: You were there boet talking to the oke at golf, when people leave companies they always harp on about their gripes and forget about the good stuff. Big egos at play I’m sure. I know McLaren is a great coach and will do well with the Glenwood 1st team. When I say full teams I mean around 15 across sports. I think it was about 1995 when House had at least 7 posties in the 1st team rugby. Anyway, it’s like talking to a big wall with you. Bored now…
@Grasshopper: Come on Hopper, please provide the facts of which year MHS had a full XV side with Post Matrics. Now we didn’t just have 5 imports from Grey but complete teams.
Didn’t you somewhere along the line say GW never had okes repeating years or doing “Post Matric”?
Stones at Glass Houses??? How does it go? I only got a D for English-you know the rest
The rumour from Spear is extremely disappointing, I’m gutted as GW has or is about to loose 2 top okes
@Bush: That is not news to anyone, he and Adendorff did a post matric I believe. Warren started at Glenwood in grade 9 and was young for matric like I was, 17. He didn’t play KZN schools in post matric. Difference is House had full teams of post toasties..
@Grasshopper: And you heard Warren Whitely did a Post Matric. Not sure if it was Post Matric like MHS or our friends on the Hill. Or just Matric again. It doesn’t matter, he did another year just like me. Well done to him.
@Playa: Twisting my words again? Racism is a DELIBERATE attitude, hating people of a specific race or anyone who does not belong to ones own race/ethnic or cultural group. If someone is racist, he or she, is obviously insensitive too. Being insensitive, often is the result of ignorance, but is not necessarily racism. You can include “paternalism” in this group. This is a very common phenomenon in SA. Id put my late grandfather here. He spoke isiXhosa better than you (guessing), but would not socialise with blacks. Yet they came from far to consult with him, and he had tremendous respect for them, and if anyone showed any disrespect towards them, especially the elders, you were in for a hiding (that is when your ass gets whipped)of your life.
Out of all of the blah, blah, just this very simple observation. There is a very big difference between being “racist” and being “insensitive”. Go and think about that for the next month.
@BrotherBear: Please go back to my initial post on 1469.You wouldn’t be asking me this if you read it.You would have also noticed I had questions which no one has bothered to answer.
@Playa: you not playing fair now. Nobody said other problem does not exist, merely said that it is not the only problem.
I will listen attentively to an answer to my question.
@BrotherBear: Wrong.I suggested we fix both simultaneously.But you guys have told me the other problem does not exist.It’s all sob.So fine,let’s go ahead and get rid of quotas then so rugby can be fair
@BrotherBear: Exactly, I know I’m like a stuck record, but why should kids born since 2000 be affected by quotas now. It’s selection based on race, hence racist. It needs to be taken to the highest level possible, UN or something. The UN should then declare it unlawful and should place sporting sanctions on SA.
@Playa: I hear you – more empathy required.
Difference in arguments though – your postulation says fix one wrong with another. My postulation says – let’s move on with fairness and equality. Pity that this sounds like “mine and yours”.
What exactly do the previously disadvantaged want from:
1. Previously advantaged, and
2. Present “other colours” or “white kids”, and
3. Themselves ?
I swear I am going to copy all this racist talk and not and publish it in a book! Might even be able to give oxford the new definition on racism.
The opinions on the subject is giving me headaches!
Oh @Beet oh @Beet were are though? Please come and save us from this boring talk. Please please please give us something different to talk about! Something in the future so that all of these politicians on this blog can stop talking about the past and all their sob stories.
My mother is English my farther Afrikaans. I grew up on a farm and my friends and myself spoke seSotho to each other. So for some or more different cultures I must then be the alt-emit racist!
There is a top businessman in Klerksdorp at the moment, making a million a month, his name is Seun.
Seun used to be my dad’s caddy back in the 80’s and 90’s carrying a big Titleist Tour Bag 18 holes every Wednesday and Saturday, even some Sundays getting a wage of R 100.00 plus halfway.
Seun now sponsors my son’s golf membership and all his tournament expenses
@BrotherBear: Yes, I know the context. I know the boy personally. I know the context of many others, one of which was mentioned by Hopper as ‘having made’ it in an earlier post. Some cricketers who you see as happy and jovial when they talk about how great the team environment is. You’d be surprised.
What if I told you that the major reaction of black people when whites start complaining about quotas is exactly your reaction right now.
“These whites cant let go/They’re only complaining because they feel rugby is their entitlement/Daddy will sort them out with a job anyway” and the list goes on.
I’ll tell you something for free, a lot of quota system supporters don’t support it for any other reason but for the reason that their own struggles are referred as sob stories, and get ignored. You cannot expect people to sympathise with your plight when you cant sympathise with theirs.
That is why I asked the question of shouldn’t we be focussing on both ends of this discrimination? Consensus here seems to say only one is a problem, the other are just sob stories by people looking for attention.
@Playa: I actually do not want to get involved with politics….it bores the living crap out of me…..race tensions will never die…gosh it’s all over the world.
My only contribution is that where I grew up it was predominantly afrikaans. Everybody spoke afrikaans……the petrol attendant did…….old Prakash from the corner bazaar did….even the chinaman from the off sales…………..our domestic who worked for us for 30 years helped me and my sister doing afrikaans speeches at school.
I actually accept the fact that afrikaans is deemed to be the language of the oppressor but heck man not all of us acted like racists
@Speartackle: I wonder if Athol Trollip would utter the usual “Don’t speak that language around here because ” line if he walked in on a conversation between two Xhosa staff members in the office kitchen. Have you ever listened to him speak Xhosa with your eyes closed? Have you ever heard Gary Player & Johnny Clegg speak Zulu? Ja, let’s assume that no white person gets annoyed when two black people start speaking vernacular around them, simply because a handful of whities can.
In fact, one of my biggest culture shocks was when I came to study at UCT after matric – having grown up in an environment where coloureds and whites were somewhat fluent in Xhosa…and here…zilch! It took me a while to stop saying “Molo” everytime I walked past a coloured person…then there were the whites, who didn’t know blacks could speak English (refer to Star’s writing on his sister)…with the flattering yet condescending “You speak so well, where are you from?” line. That’s what I meant with GT’s line, BrotherBear.
Speak to me in Afrikaans, that’s not being racist – but when I ask that you speak in a language we both understand, and you refuse – forcing me to learn to speak yours instead. That’s being racist. This,of course applies to me having to force you to speak Xhosa if you came to work as a manager at The Spear and Playa.
We live in an interesting country, where there is no one size fits all formula for the treatment of different people.
@Playa: no doubt there is still hurt for many people in RSA and the hurt cannot be wished away. To counter the hurt through whatever means does not make sense. One needs to understand the context and accept the hurt to be able to move on. Agree with @Greenblooded w.r.t. reaction on being called names – more a reflection on self than otherwise.
Your summary is a bit lacking and maybe reflects your preconceived ideas. Please read comments again if you want proof that hurtful behaviour is not condoned, but context also NNB. Do you really know what the context was when someone asked the boy to rather learn Afrikaans?
I think people are rather sick of hearing all kinds of sob stories from others requiring some kind of retribution or “reversing of fortunes”. Time to move on for all of us – life is ahead of us, not behind. Cross the bridge with knowledge of many bridges crossed but be more aware of new challenges, as they will stretch you, not the old ones. If not, we stay trapped in our own “sorrow”.
@GreenBlooded: You see you did get my point. People are too uptight and need to let go of some their personal demons.And do not worry about my sister. She can look after herself and will kick my boney ( although sexy) arse when deemed necessary.
I was a little worried that you and Playa were hitting the skids but both brought it back nicely. That beer at KERF need not be too ” frosty”
Very weird, my son went to a primary school in Hartebeespoortdam, one of his best friends was a boy called Kabelo, who’s mother was a docter in Mooinooi, Kabelo was a prolific cricketer who went on to Waterkloof on scholarship…….Kabelo could only speak afrikaans….when the workers at school tried to communicate with him in Tswana….he couldn’t understand them.
In grade 12 when my son was in Klerksdorp at school he was well befriended with the first team scrumhalf, Thabang Somebody ( don’t want to mention surname but the KES guys will know him as he was recruited there but couldn’t speak a word of english and returned to Klerksdorp ) ….Thabang also can’t speak or understand a word of Tswana or Northern Sotho…..he is currently studying at Pukke. If you close your eyes when either Kabelo or Thabang speak afrikaans, you’d think you’re sitting next to Pik Botha’s grandson.
I would have loved to mention a tale that happened one day at Klerksdorp but I might just ignite a massive debate between Playa and BOG
I wonder if they also felt being spoken to in afrikaans was racist??
“If someone called me that, I’d probably just laugh, shrug and move on.” Good man!!! Someone told me a long time ago that our reaction to the things people say about us and the names people call us is a function with a single variable – that being the size of our inferiority complex. A lot of truth there.
People need to stop being offended so easily – it simply gives control of your daily mood to unworthy people. My my personal peeve is the person who gets offended on behalf of someone else. Laugh, shrug, move on. Or come-back with a one-liner that will leave the insulter looking like a chop.
@Speartackle: Why not include Deelkraal, Grootfontein,Driefontein,Westonaria,Glenharvie and Luipaardsvlei. My son has been diving for golf balls in Stellies to supplement his meager student allowance. His stock of balls include Taylormade Tour Preferred, Calloway Chromesofts and Srixon Z Stars. I immediately thought of you especially with the Wild Coat beckoning.
@BrotherBear: Well then, you have lead me straight to my point, and to why it is racist…this may be a bit melodramatic, and possibly uncomfortable for some. A lack of empathy…something I preach on at least once a year on this blog. There’s a word here that Hopper used some weeks back – I had never heard of it, but bloggers came at him like at ton of bricks, even labelled as a racist, that’s how offensive it was to some. It meant absolutely nothing to me. And even now, that I know it is (I have forgotten what the word is by the way), if someone called me that, I’d probably just laugh, shrug and move on. The word has some history – and to this day, it is still offensive to the Afrikaner. One person, called one person that word, and the entire blog exploded. Hopper apologised unequivocally, sighting ignorance – good man. I also had to learn, a year or so ago that the white English speaking South African finds the word ‘umlungu’ offensive. Despite my knowledge of where it comes from, I had to accept this. Hopper is not an Afrikaner, I am not white English speaking – we were ignorant as outside looking in people.
Being forced to speak Afrikaans (in a professional environment) is as hurtful as the above for a black person. Think 16/06/1976 – I could write a book – bu it will only sell among ANC cadres as BOG would say. I won’t say worse, as I can’t relate to the situations I’ve mentioned above. I also don’t know how it is for an English speaking white Saffa, but I do know that Keegan Daniel got himself fired from the Sharks a few years back when he spoke out about it. So I am well aware that it doesn’t just happen to black players, and that was the point of my initial post on 1469 – everything got lost because the respondents took me as just fighting for black rights. I purposely said ‘not Afrikaans/white enough’ because that line of questioning was for both those excluded/mistreated because they are either not white enough, or not Afrikaans enough.
If I am to summarise responses here:
1. This is normal – happens to everyone
2. This happens on a small scale – doesn’t affect the bigger picture
3. It is not an issue – no need to do anything about it
If this is correct, this is the last you will hear from me here on the blog – though trust me you will hear of it elsewhere because it’s not something I will le go off.
What a great anecdote ou Sterretjie. Not sure what the point was exactly – but maybe it’s cos of my inferior Glenwood education. But to throw your own sister under the bus…….Eish!!!
@Grassflopper…funny thing is, only one dwindling here is your racist roll-on looking head amongst real south africans.
Is’nt your tea getting cold or something?
@BrotherBear: Totally agree, school bias too. There are no doubt some old school racist buggers in the system but through attrition and old age it’s dwindling. At the end of the day coaches want to win and some (probably most) are on performance clauses so they will just pick the best.
@Playa: story about Dale boy ending up in Soddom & Gomorrah is quite touching, but nothing new. Other players with different shades of skin have gone through EXACTLY the same sad process. Some unions draft many more players than they need – only speculation on why but definite conversation topic. Now one person tells the boy to speak Afrikaans and suddenly he thinks it is a racist issue?? No doubt some coaches and administrators are biased, be it race related, culture related (read English, as well), old boy ties or just pure hard ass stupidity, etc, etc. Don’t go tying race to everything. Let’s rather focus on getting quality people managing the system and operating within it. There are already quality people scattered throughout the unions – time for them to also make their voices heard.
@Playa: I think you are the ultimate trojan horse and have lulled those green techies into a false sense of security .I cannot believe that GB is now the poster boy for intelligent debate I really need to put him in his place at KERF next year.
We have had discussions about the deficiency of the “narrative”. Surely a dictionary definition of racism is the ultimate form. I am reminded of my time as a post matric at Hilton in 1982 ( and no I was not brought like Bush as quite frankly I was not good enough) where for the first time there were twin girls and 3 black shell scholars. The black okes cleaned up the science and mathematics awards( so much for science must fall) and the ladies the humanities. I had economics on lock down ( pretty objective criteria) but was duly informed by the powers that it would not look good for Hilton if all the awards went to outlanders. Although I was discriminated against I refused to follow the ground zero option to take hold and for me to burn down the san and tip up the Hilton bus in protest. I remember clearly my sister coming to visit and speaking to my black comrades in that slow broken English that white people think improves the communication cycle.
I am positive that there was nothing malicious in it as she obviously knew no better but it sure was embarrassing. I am also sure that those esteemed gents who now head up major international corporations would have a good laugh about it and see it in its proper context. Sometimes we see demons everywhere but never look inside.
That’s the whole thing that people need to understand. We don’t have to agree with each other to engage in discussion. The rules are simple, state your point intelligently, don’t get personal, keep an open mind and try and have empathy for the other’s point of view even if you disagree with it, be open to the idea of having your own point of view changed by reasonable arguments, do not privilege the right not to be offended over reason and logic. Not that difficult.
@Speartackle: Given the weather report/prediction, your write up might be closer to a drama than a report on a round of golf- if you get beyond the 9th.
@Playa: Generally Id go along with that. By and large, you have remained fairly decent, despite your unwillingness to criticise the regime- actually support it. But I have no reason to think why you would not turn out a very good sangoma, if you should embark on that career path. Maybe you can join Impi on the field before matches with some bones and herbs.
@Playa: I concur with Greenblooded, your posts are always well written & add value. I haven’t seen a post from you get nasty or cretin level, a great ambassador for Dale. We don’t agree on everything but that would be boring…
@GreenBlooded: Well then, we’ll leave I at that in that case
Thanks for the compliment…though I am sure ou BOG disagrees with you on that. He might just ask you to get your head checked, or to keep away from the Klippies and Coke
Now now now……I see the blind is still educating the blind here and I cant wait for tomorrow as we’re going to Wild Coast early tomorrow morning. I have had jippo guts all night and still kakking myself this morning. I better get my strength back soon.
I heard the wind will be blowing and rain is predicted and that makes my condition even worse. I also only have a roll of one-ply with me and it’s as hard as skuurpapier. So sore there I couldn’t put my undies on this morning and wearing beige trousers a bit dangerous but anyway however at least I’m losing some weight
@McCulleys Workshop: I’ll leave it at either cretin or imbecile level and lets be honest here 95% of the bloggers would be excluded, especially the trolls….
Player, as I have said on numerous occasions, you can throw tantrums and scream as much as you like- even write a book which may be purchased by ANC run municipalities in large numbers, it will change NOTHING to stop the decline in rugby. You can blah blah until your chickens grow teeth, but unless government interference in sport is stopped as a FIRST step, the decline will continue. That is the opinion of most ex players and current observers and rugby journalists- inside and outside of SA. Interference in sport, is contrary to the UN charter on sport, by the way. And your not so subtle support for the regime does not pass unnoticed. Its like selling snake oil. And dont come with a Gungets response to that.
Eish – I’m not going to comment on that article. You will definitely not like what I have to say. Let’s rather not ruin the friendship (and the cold one at KERF).
For the record – you are one of the okes who I enjoy following on this blog. There are very few left here who are capable of intelligent discussion on various topics. It seems this blog has been over-run by people with room temperature IQ’s. Even Captain Beet seems to have abandoned the ship in frustration……….
@Playa: I think this is an exception rather than the norm. How did Brian Habana, Gcobani Bobo etc get through the system? I have heard the exact same stories of young white players not getting game time or a chance to prove themselves. Maybe certain Unions are more racist than others because of coaching make up. Obviously bias exists, it exists at school level with teachers pets. I experienced 1st hand how one teacher did not pick certain players because he didn’t like them or their parents. These guys ended up in an almost undefeated 3rd team whilst the 1st was getting pasted. Selection bias happens for many reasons not just race. I can tell you many a Rooinek or Engelsman has been excluded because of their roots.
My question: Is this discrimination a manifestation of the frustration white people have with quotas, or is it a lingering continuance of the racial prejudices that had existed before – which led to quotas being (wrongfully) imposed to correct?
I’ll debate the merits of your answer, even I disagree I promise. And if the story I have posted is something foreign to you, and never knew to exist, that will also be fine. We will gladly move on, and I hope we will still share some golden nectar at KERF next year.
Great!! So we agree then that racism can mean different things to different people. So why don’t you tell me what you mean by ‘intrinsic racial discrimination that exists in our rugby’ and maybe I’ll be able to answer your question without causing offence?
Tell you the truth – I don’t even know what the term ‘racism’ means anymore. Gareth Cliff comment. Black people can’t be racist. Penny Sparrow is racist but Velaphi Khumalo isn’t. It’s all so confusing……..
@GreenBlooded: Of course, as I said this is an occurrence in some quarters, not all. Plenty schools that embraced this many moons ago both on the teacher and parent front. I wrote a piece on this blog some years back of Dale’s experience in the 90s – based on what I had witnessed then as a kid when the transition happened, to what the school is now. There are schools which are only going through that phase now, I have seen it, and I have found myself in the middle of some of those cringe worthy discussions – mostly from the stand while watching a game of SBR. I’d like to believe that it’s a small minority of people who still hold that backward view.
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: You actually did not answer my question(s) at all. Instead you just told me that I have questioned, and asked for an answer to something that doesn’t exist. That is the insult. That to me is just like you saying asking me how should poor whites be accommodated as they suffer most from quota systems, and AA and I simply responded by saying “All white people are wealthy, so those policies are fine” – and this statement of mine is based purely on the fact that I have only ever been around wealthy white people – and I admit that. I would not have answered your question, but made an ignorant statement based on my limited experience.You as a person who has been exposed to poor whites, who yearn for opportunity, would/should feel offended by that. At least I would hope you do.
On the story you have used as an illustration – I will say to you – yes, I myself have seen those types of misguided ‘racist’ allegations being made. They peeve me off to the core. Even if I hadn’t, it’s not my place to say those situations don’t exist, just because none of my mates do it, or just because I have never been on the receiving end of it – it’s not my problem. Wrong – it is my problem because at the end of the day you will believe that “All blacks are like this”, and that includes me. It therefore will be in my interest to take that matter seriously, open my eyes wider, and do something about it where I can.
“Even at school, you might be surprised at some quarters’ unhappiness at black kids dominating sports teams in the former model C schools.”
That has not been my experience – but I don’t doubt that it probably does happen in some of the less affluent former Model C schools. If there are idiot parents who ‘don’t like too many darkies in the team’ – screw ’em. As long as it doesn’t affect team selections. You’ll probably find the kids themselves don’t mind at all. If there is one thing I’ve learned about teenage boys, the one thing that drives them is fair play.
I can tell you that the experience at my son’s high school and my old Glenwood, the black kids who excel are all there TOTALLY on merit and are respected and adored as school heroes by parents and scholars alike.
Ja – I have a problem with your method of debate here. It’s reflected in many instances in the national discourse unfortunately. Ask a question and then be ‘offended’ or ‘insulted’ by the answer. Really – if you think you are going to be ‘insulted’ or ‘offended’ by the answer to a question, don’t ask the question! All it does is stifle debate.
Did you notice the reaction to the guy who questioned the #sciencemustfall rocket scientist? As soon as there is a dissenting opinion, it is slammed as an ‘invasion of the safe space’ or ‘making the space antagonistic’. How can a rational debate possible take place like that??
I’ll tell you my experience of racism in rugby. And it will probably be quite different from yours. As a referee I frequently get appointed to referee matches where, lets call it a ‘traditional’ club team plays against a ‘township’ club team. The match is slated for 14.00 on a specific day at a specific place. I arrive at the field at 13.00. The ‘traditional’ team is beginning to arrive at around the same time, the changing and warm up routine starts at 13:20 and the team is ready to take the field at 13:50. The other team has not arrived yet. As per the by-laws, I wait until 14:15 and declare the team who has arrived the winner by default, pack up and leave to try and resurrect the afternoon with my family that I have sacrificed to give these 30 guys a game. The ‘township’ team start to arrive as I’m leaving. I get called a racist referee. Is that fair?
My point is that sometimes things are called racist when they actually aren’t – or what is perceived as racist by some is perceived as anything but by the other side. Think Gareth Cliff here. The racist label is actually very very easy to earn nowdays, which is why have have refused to be silenced and have my opinions formed by a desire to avoid this label at all costs.
So perhaps you need to let me know what you mean by the racism in rugby, let’s see if it actually is endemic racism and let’s take it from there. To ask a question based on an assertion that is in dispute cannot yield an intelligent response – however it seemingly can yield offence and injury.
@Playa: Good to hear. I see Dale made the Top 10 in most ranking systems. Glenwood ended up around 12th on most, falling off the apple cart after SANIX, although there is no disgrace losing to Monnas, Affies and Grey Bloem, the first two being away.
@Grasshopper: I am avoiding making any ‘predictions’…my sangoma clearly needs to go and do his BSc, as I had thought we would get hammered by everyone this year – and was proven wrong – horribly. Many grade 11s in this year’s 2nds & 3rds, and both teams had decent seasons. All I can say is I think they’ll be able to hold their own next year.
@Playa: Well it seems Dale is an annual thing for Glenwood from the 25-25 all draw to last year. How is your team looking? On paper Glenwood should be competitive.
@Playa: Take Nama Xaba, the 1st black Head Boy at Glenwood. He was the best leader and flank in the school so was there on merit only. Unfortunately for him post school he might be too small to play flank, although still playing WP Under19’s. To add to this he got 5 A’s so a true inspiration to all the boys. Andile Phehlukwayo is another I said 2 years ago would make it to the top on merit only….
@Grasshopper: Hopefully not Dale. I heard we have been drawn to play Monnas at KERF…don’t think we can deal with Glenwood on top of that…the pain would be unbearable
@McCulleys Workshop: No idea, but having Monnas, Garsfontein, Boishaai, Menlopark, Waterkloof and Grey Bloem already I don’t think it can get any tougher. Maybe Affies at KERF, if they back? Probably either one of Dale, Selborne or EG Jansen at KERF.
@Grasshopper: I am talking post-school rugby. And I get that he largely referred to KZN, he said himself that he only speaks for KZN. Even at school, you might be surprised at some quarters’ unhappiness at black kids dominating sports teams in the former model C schools. The numbers are never always a reflection of a transformed society – sometimes they are forced by circumstances. Argument for another day
@Playa: I think Greenblooded is talking about KZN, maybe it’s different in the EC. I for one have not seen any racism in rugby selection in KZN, in fact many of the KZN 1st teams have more players of colour than whites in their teams. Look at DHS, there is like 2 white kids in the side. Glenwood have had years where there have been up to 10 players of colour in the 1st team, all picked on merit. George Campbell is another, a handful of white kids.
@GreenBlooded: You have made a disappointing attempt at answering my original questions – not because I disagree with your view, but because you have not answered it at all. Your post of 5 paragraphs only dedicated one paragraph to what I would like an answer to. I have become accustomed to people who see a problem that does not affect them as something that does not exist. For 14 years of being a rugby development officer, to now being involved in player management of young professional black rugby players….believe you me, the racial discrimination in SA rugby is a MAJOR issue. But there are those people who will fight for one type of injustice, while ignoring the other. I agree with you on 4/5 of your paragraphs…but there is that one paragraph which is insulting – very insulting to those of us who have had to and still do have to put up with this treatment. I am happy that you keep great company, and hang with ou Blou Bul-Klippies types who care not about the make-up of any team. But don’t be fooled into believing that is a reflection of what goes on in union/SARU offices. One day I will write a book about it.
So I will leave that question hanging – no point in me taking it further. I will keep reading on about quota this, ANC that, development this…as if that is the only discrimination we need to rid our rugby of.
@BOG: Rubbish. Go and read it again, as a reply to Grassy’s comment about the apparent absence of racial tension in his UK office. He mentioned that mixed race couples are “the norm everywhere”.
My response was “if mixed race couples are a measure, then they are represented ….”. My implication was that they are NOT a measure. The one couple are friends from the last 20 years, they represent themselves, that’s all.
Running from nothing, you’re chasing. I don’t think my stance needs any explaining here.
@Gungets Tuft: Running from what you meant to say? You did say, or hinted very strongly, that having mixed couples conveyed some kind of political statement. And I really dont have a problem if it was for love.I have been involved in quasi politics for too long, not too notice it. So I must consult the web sites of UKIP and others, for confirmation of something you claimed? A party or individual is not xenophobic if they oppose unrestricted inflow of people into your country. Or cultural Marxism for that matter. What I did notice, was that you made no mention of the Labour Party, political home to cranks and perverts of every kind, from pedophiles to every blend of extreme left wing communism. Whenever I see that, Im reminded of the difference between intelligence, wisdom and knowledge. Much of what you say, amounts to compromise and appeasement. Its not unusual. We had it in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Zim, Angola, Mozambique—, and now SA. Most of them, have however moved on when the fantasy evaporated. So be very specific when you say something. Dont hint at something and when you are confronted with it, deny having said it.
@Grasshopper: Are you listening to yourself. Why not just give them some credit, instead of wailing along that the good old days ended the day you left the good old days. My grandmother said stuff like that about your dad, and my father bewailed it about mine and your generation. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I compete in the market place against all comers, including the so called newly entitled, the previously entitled, the oldies and the youngsters. If I can’t cut it then it’s my fault. Making it someone else’s problem just takes away my ability to change my own circumstances. Of course it’s tough, but I suppose I was forged by all those good old fashioned beatings I got from my dad and at school, and the discipline thrashed into me during national service.
@BOG: Dearie me, you are all in a froth today. Please copy and paste where I claimed marrying someone of another race proved something. I think you’ll find I said exactly the opposite. My comment to Grassy that got you blowing off steam had NOTHING to do with this diatribe of yours. BUT. If you want evidence of UKIP and Britain First racism and xenophobia you don’t need to rely on BBC “propaganda”, just go to their websites.
Nor did I say anywhere that there weren’t some ballies who are stepping up philanthropically, just that there are some that are serving time to pension in the workplace, in the same way as Grassy described the “entitled youngsters” in the racist office in which he worked.
You find what you’re looking for ou Boggie, but if you’re looking for it around me you had better turn your contact lenses inside out. I ALWAYS look for the best in people, and I frequently find it. The winning wolf is the one you feed …
The make-up of the Springbok and other representative teams, if selected on merit along, would and should represent the make-up of the rugby-playing community of the country which is still unfortunately largely white. It’s not racism – it’s the law of averages. The challenge is to transform the rugby-playing community to be representative of the national demographic and then the make-up of national teams will naturally follow and there will be no need for quotas. You will find that black players who make it through to the national teams have come largely via the previously white (for want of a better expression) school system.
I can only speak for KZN since I have no knowledge of other provincial set-ups, but I can tell you that there is ZERO effort being made to develop rugby at grass root’s level in the townships. There are no clubs to speak of – the ones that do exist are poorly equipped and barely participate in the 4th division. There is ZERO rugby being played at township schools. Why is this the case after 20+ years of ANC rule? As I mentioned previously – the Durban Junior Club Rugby Association which I was proud to serve for 10 years, tried to make a genuine effort – but there was no funds for equipment, kit, transport to matches – NOTHING to support these efforts from the ministry of sport of the rugby unions.
So despite all the grandstanding, I am forced to conclude that the ANC government has neither the will nor the ability to do what needs to be done to develop rugby where it previously didn’t exist. Putting a self-serving, corrupt clown like Fikile Mbalula in charge of national sport is living proof of my contention. I do understand that 20 years may not be enough time (actually I think it is plenty of time) but at least some progress should have been made by now?? There has been NONE. WHY??
Your assertion that there are still old racists running rugby – perhaps there are a few – but probably a small majority. I have spent time with some of the most stereotypical Blou-Bul, Klippies and Coke, Biltong munching boere you can imagine in my time, and I can tell you plainly that they do not care a damn about what colour a Springbok is – as long as he is the best guy for the job. Perhaps in other things – but definitely not in sport.
So my point is simple. IF you want to transform rugby (notice the emphasis on IF), start at the bottom and the top will take care of itself. If there are racists at play – they will quickly get found out. I think all South Africans (whites included) just want to see a winning team – regardless of what colour they are and the way to achieve that is through intensive player development and ultimately team selection based only on merit.
@Gungets Tuft: You have obviously not followed the comments by the EFF, ANC and many of their splinter groups. And that is apart from having 4 more times of legislation governing, actually restricting and excluding, the participation of whites in the (collapsing) SA economy, as they had under apartheid. And Id challenge you to present me with evidence of UKIPS supposedly “racism”, even the BNP. Stop lending your ears out to BBC propaganda and listen to what they say. Im also a mixed couple- my wife is female and Im male. Since when do you have to marry someone of a different race to prove something? That is almost perverse. And for the record, there are ballies in “retirement”who are feeding the hungry and caring for the discarded and vulnerable children- all colours, increasing by the way, in SA, by 35 000 pm !@Playa: You can throw tantrums and do backward somersaults as much as you like, until political interference is stopped- which is illegal by the way, you can talk for as long as you wish- the problems will persist. And your last comment actually says it all. Its like saying something, and following it up with “but”. That cancels and negates what you said before. In your mind, the “Not Afrikaans enough/not white enough” is the cause. Sure, and my grandfather was pope Alfonso.
@Grasshopper: I would say definitely. The youngsters that I’m fortunate enough to see coming through are ambitious, willing and damn hard workers. There’s the odd one that doesn’t cut it, but not in meaningful numbers.
I’d say about the same percentage as there are ballies just serving their time to retirement.
@Gungets Tuft: possibly, my office in JHB had many ‘you owe me something’ twenty something’s. I missed out on the GM Digital Media role at MTN because I was too white & too male….just wrong….the chick in the role now had half my experience….
@GreenBlooded: Fully agree with your prognosis.Let me put this to you since I know you to be a reasonable man.
So,we go that route and rid ourselves of political inteference.How do woe get rid of the intrinsic racial discrimination that exists in our rugby?Do people really belive it ended in 1991,and that it only started after the current regime imposed quotas?
I ask this because I believe that quotas are like prescribing Panado to a patient who suffers from migraines.Quotas/political interegerence are not the route cause of the disease,they are the wrong prescription to a disease that existed before and still exists.
We miss the point when we define quotas as just a means to correct past wrongs.That’s just half of it.The other half is correcting current wrongs.The racists that ran rugby didn’t die out in 1991.They are still there.Running unions,running SARU.Someone white will say this is a figment of my imagination.Someone else who knows that what I am saying is true will look the other way.
My question is,and that is what I meant when in earlier post I suggested an honest and brutal discussion,is why are those who claim quotas are unjust and they are for fighting injustice,not fighting the other side of injustice?Which existing injustice came first?The one imposed by the current regime or the one that still lingers which was brought about by the previous regime?What must go first?What is the real cause of this disease?
In my view,we can do away with quotas and politicians tomorrow,get the proper grassroots stuff going,great.But that won’t solve the ‘not Afrikaans/white enough’ mentality that exists in the rugby powers of SA.
@Grasshopper: Happens in mine all the time. Not that many nationalities naturally, but the diversity of South Africa is fully represented. If mixed race couples are a measure then they’re represented by 3 different couples, one a friendship that goes back to 1995 when I worked with both in the corporate world. The corporate that, incidentally, had affirmative action way before 1990, and had desegregated internal facilities before 1990 as well, in contravention of national law. You’re preaching to the wrong congregation.
@Gungets Tuft: dude, my office has 300 people, nearly everyone is from a different country. What an awesome place to work. No one cares about colour, culture or religion. We all drink together and joke together. Never happened in my office in SA. Mixed couples and kids are the norm everywhere.
@BOG: yep, Guildford, Farnborough, Esher, Fleet etc are the favourite areas. I’ve avoided those and headed north to Harpenden near St Albans, very few Saffas but more arriving. Just last week my wife met 2 Saffa moms who arrived 6 weeks ago. They coming in droves!
@Grasshopper: All the SAs now living in Surrey? I lived there, precisely because there were not many SAs. Lived in Kenley, neat Caterham. A very “leafy” suburb and close to the old Kenley aerodrome which played a major role in the “Battle of Britain”, during WW II. Worth a visit with many very nice pubs. Nearest large centre, was Croydon.
@BOG: correct, no legislation around race but there will always be natural divisions based on language, culture, religion, race etc. eg half of SA live in Surrey. There are parts of London more Muslim etc but
@GreenBlooded: Just in defense of Hoppers comments, I dont think that he was saying that the UK was a paradise of racial harmony. He was merely saying that unlike SA now and under apartheid, you dont have legislation sanctioning racial discrimination. A big difference.
@GreenBlooded: Of course I agree- there is not a single place on this earth where you you will find a “racial paradise”, although I have to say that Mozambique of all places, although strongly opposed to colonialism, somehow, on the surface perhaps, manage to look past race. And what you say, is the point I have been trying to make. We can sit and discuss possible solutions from now until kingdom come, but unless we remove all forms of government interference as the very first step, we are wasting our breath and time. I did post this article a while back, and you may have missed it, but you will notice that the arguments presented by Ashwin Desai, is very close to what you are saying about the government failing in its responsibilities. “Mbalula:Hypocrite who hides government failings” http://www.rdm.co.za/sport/2016/05/03/fikile-mbalula-hypocrite-who-hides-governments-failings
I think the point is that the UK is by no means the melting pot of racial harmony that ou Hopper is claiming. I suspect he knows this all too well. Come to think of it – I can’t think of anywhere on earth where there is……..
Doesn’t change anything about what is happening here though. I for one, dare I say it, agree with your prognosis on the rugby scene here. If political interference is not totally removed forthwith, and rugby is left to be run by rugby people, we will enter a vortex from which we will never recover. Perhaps we are in the vortex already. If you want to transform rugby, start at the bottom. Why are there no rugby fields.clubs in the townships coaching grass roots skills to young kids?? This is where the government needs to focus it’s energy – but sadly they lack as much leadership and ability as they do with everything else. I was involved in junior club rugby for 10 years – coaching kids from 5-18 years old. When our organisation tried to reach out to kids in the townships to provide coaching and exposure to rugby, the government would not front up a single cent to support our efforts.
@Gungets Tuft: Let me respond to that too. He has gone back to the UK, but I suspect that you know that very well. Surely, you are not even trying to suggest that everyone in SA are treated equally, especially in the area of employment / sport? Im sure that your views and approach, may preserve the peace, however artificial- for a while at least, but it will certainly not preserve sport or rugby in particular. On the contrary.
@Grasshopper: I notice that a video of a UCT “student”, calling for the “de-colonization” of science, has gone viral. Keep your eyes open. Its funny if watched from far, but tragic if from within SA. So, after all, the report about a BSc in witchcraft, is becoming more and more believable.
He skipped his Bob Martins and the fleas have invaded his mangy body again. This happens quite regularly and de-fleaing does not help much either. And as you can see, he becomes incoherent and avoids a question completely.He reminded me of Chris Harts prediction of the ZAR being R60 to the $US by 2019. I could be wrong. Now that even Trevor Manuel has said that a credit downgrade seems imminent, and the latest shenannagans (??)of the main clown, the ZAR, could end up even weaker. Perhaps he sleeps on a camel skin?
Sal die bliksem wat die Hond se hok oopgemaak het asb die donner terug sit. Tape sommer sy bek ook toe. Kan die geblaffery nie vat. Bleddie eentonig, selfde wysie
@BOG: @BOG: ai ou boggie-enige ou wat chris hart aanhaal(rand na 60 rand teen$) kan ek mos nie ernstig opneem nie
ek aanvaar jy het al n circle wank saam met die ander gcb old boys gehad vandag?
dis so swaar vir jou om te erken dat vir nou jou ou sko0ltjie van die troon gestamp is -dis nie so erg nie-jy hoef terug te delf na die 70’s om weer beter te voel nie-dis orraait
@Grasshopper: @Buddy: This should get rid of the dog. Just ask him about GCBs away record over the years, particularly against Boishaai, which he supports. He is still a new supporter though.
@boerboel: OK, you on. Getting bored of the site and bloggers anyway, getting off topic too much and it’s getting all political. Glenwood will be competitive next year…
Congratulations to Helpmekaar College for joining the Wildeklawer fold. Well done to the school, management, rugby coaches and players – this does not happen overnight. Thanks also to organizers for trust in the school’s rugby (and other sports’) sustainability. Now for the teams to go and deliver.
@Speartackle: Your experience at least makes me feel better,having to work through the misguided proposals to resolve the challenges faced by SA rugby- minus of course, your stress release at the end. I would imagine that you put a 9mm against this fellows head and told him to sign on the dotted line.
@Speartackle: so close to Scumbilo High and you never thought of popping in to help the coaches on the preseason skills training? Some Monnas Intel would have been highly appreciated!
Yesterday I had to drive to a client to pick up something and he told me it was in Glenmore. So I took the highway and drove south and thought I’d phone him once I’m there. After a hour and a half trip I reached the little village of Glenmore and recognised it from school camps decades ago. I phoned the guy and he told me it was in Glenmore, Berea….Durban and gave me the street address. So after a few f and p words I turned around and headed back to the office. Hour and a half later I’m in the office and searched on Google Maps and eventually I found Mountain Rise street. AS I have no GPS in my Bantam I wrote down the street names where I had to turn left and right.
So then I got back on the highway towards Durban and gatvol already. took the R102 offramp and got onto Umbilo Road. Driving down Umbilo I had to look for Queen Mary street….then I realised the street names have changed…..Siaybonga Tom Drive, Aikona Ndungane Street, Dingaan Thobela Crescent but no Queen Mary. And I started getting panicky cause this area is looking heavy dodgy. It reminded me of once driving through The Bronx and Spanish Harlem on Christmas morning 1980 with the smoke filtering through the man holes and characters staring at you in slow motion. Those were the days when you could get $ 800 for R 600……believe it or not Playa….The Pik and PW era before Owen Horwood won the Nobel Prize for chemics by turning the Rand into shit.
When I reached Penzance street I knew I was completely lost and eventually I saw Glenmore Primary in front of me and knew I was close so I phoned the oke who explained to me how to get to Mountain Rise street. I almost rolled the offer to purchase around his pecker and after 5 hours from leaving the office the first time, which is only 30km away, I could finally head back.
When I got back to Umbilo Road, it was a one-way left so I turned left and then got lost again. Whilst driving in this shaky area I saw a poster against a light pole advertising Men’s Grooming. That is just what I needed and phoned the number and they explained how to get to Windermere Road. The salon was situated in a dark alley but once in, the most beautiful therapists from as far as Belarus, greeted me. What a treatment it was, manicure, pedicure, tension cure ….they cured almost everything. They were so well trained I even got a firm handshake before leaving.
So in the end it turned out to be a very successful journey and I hope the Wild Coast Sun golf trip can match yesterday
@Grasshopper: Hops now why do you always have to be the ugly guy??? I’m on BOG’s Banting diet so the Cappie has been docked. North Coast Champagne not my style. I do a single glenmorangie, if things start to hot up. Then I gooi a double.
Old Mac Donald had a farm, hee-hi, hee-hi, ho; On the farm he had some sheep, hee-hi,hee-hi,ho, A blah blah here and a blah blah there. And so it will continue year in and year out, until f-all is left to blah blah about. And the root problem, political interference, will be ignored or avoided in a vain attempt to be politically correct and not to “offend” each other. BS is the name of the game, while rugby is being suffocated to death.
@Speartackle: Relieve me of this agony and give us the Newsletter, even just a preview will do. As I said, if you had even a moderate westerly on the Wild Coast track, it should give you enough to write about. Im sure the record of using the f-word during a round, could be under threat.
@Bush: I loved my childhood on the Bluff, it was super kiff bro! Never got beaten up just went through the normal Bluff surfer initiation and standard school hierarchy. My dad was a legend, never laid a hand on me, stopped drinking and smoking when my mom passed away to ensure he was a good dad. So no issues there. My issue is with people who have such envy and hate for a school doing it’s best to improve. When it does they want to tear it down. I am proud of Scumbilo High, it certainly helped me stay on the straight and narrow which I will forever be grateful for. House is probably the best school in the country but not a reality for 99.9% of families, except Bankers, Politicians and old money silverspooners. There are a handful that were lucky enough to get bursaries or paid to do post matric, lucky for them. Boerboel is just another rabblerouser nothing to be scared, bark is bigger than his bite..
@Grasshopper: Why resort to name calling and violence every time someone points out something that you have duplicated????
You must have had such a bad childhood. Dad beat the kuk out of you, you got bullied on the bus. Then became the bully.
You kukked us all out as we were not using this blog as a rugby blog, then it’s okay when you post stuff on here that has no relevance.
You kukked me out as all I can do is rolled my bakkie(Which is all I have because my Toyota was stolen outside GW) and roll polony. Words and sentences I use, then you use them. Shame.
Vat hom Boerboel, vat sy keel
@Bush: Funny enough it all began the day your brother told me I am an average rugby player, and I would need to do something academic with my life – I took to research, in the hope of being a Historian…then dad told me there’s no money in being a ‘librarian’, I need to study something ‘serious’, so I followed Hopper’s academic route
@boerboel: I Love Affies and “Die Hond Boerboel”??
Best of luck in keeping the local black kids in Sunnyside out of Affies.Understand its only a matter of time before Affies needs to open their doors…????
@Grasshopper: I hear you…but technically, we have lost to Argentina before. They came here under the guise of South American Jaguars (which included 1 Peruvian) in 1982 and ambushed the Boks in Bloemfontein. All 8 games played against the Jaguars in the 80s were awarded test status.
@Speartackle: Only now?
But what some of the opinions and comments here have shown, is that its highly unlikely that we will find a solution to the challenges faced by rugby. In the US they say, if you want to anger a conservative, tell him a lie, and a liberal, the truth. Im sure the Joe Slovo Academy included that in one of their modules. That is clear. So, what I see for the next 20-30 yrs, is blah blah blah and absolutely no progress. And the eventual death of the game, unless you regard the standards in Zim and Namibia as acceptable.
Sad to say but I am now becoming like those Mitchell’s Plain supporters with the AB gear. I’m starting to enjoy the Bok losses…..the bigger the score line the more I enjoy.
That is also the way I feel over Tiger Woods, Rafael Nadal, Andy Murray, Lewis Hamilton, Christiano Ronaldo, David Warner, Venus Williams, Kurt Darren, Faffa Beltrami and a few others
@Grasshopper: spot on Hopper – we make the mistake of comparing ourselves to NZ when frankly we are not in the same league – 15 wins on 50 odd meetings since readmission?! Our record vs Aus is 50-50 if we are lucky so I have no idea why we constantly bleat when NZ smash us? We are at best number 2 in the world and for a short period were number 1 in 08/09
@Playa: I think what you have highlighted is we have actually been kak since readmission and we just getting worse. Our WC wins involved tons of luck to be honest, a sick AB team and a foot in touch. The isolation might have left us in rugby dinosaur years….
@boerboel: Dude, I didn’t submit the figures for the brochure. That is the only facts we have. So are you saying Dale College, Kearsney and EG Jansen were not decent opposition? Rotorua Boys from NZ? Yes, the Affie parents who don’t like certain cultures in their houses….easy to understand…
@Speartackle: Have a little faith mate. We weren’t favourites going into 1995, and neither were we going into 2007.
From August 1992 – October 1994 when Kristie took over, the Boks had only won 5 tests out of 17 – Australia, England, France & Argentina (2). Between August 1992 – August 1997, we played the All Blacks 11 times…winning only 2 games – at the 95 World Cup, and again in 96.
Markgraff and Du Plessis managed 11 wins in 21 games…1/7 vs NZ, and 2/4 vs Aus…an oh, there was also that embarrassing series lost against one of the weakest British Lions outfits ever assembled.
@Grasshopper: fabricated statements per usual-more lies by you or the fitness coach-instead of facbricating boys weight he should have consentrated on his primary function
Maybe that would have prevented the 3 humilations suffered aganst the only decent opposition faced.
with regards to affies-there is only one side-ask the affie parents
@Roger: I’m gobsmacked!
Post the “Joe Slovo” references…all that’s left is for him to call a K@77ir Lover. Then he would have said what he really means.
@boerboel: They do focus on skills, weight and height are good to know to ensure their diets are correct. Measuring muscle mass, BMI etc are standard things to do when you measure fitness. I think you’ll find Glenwood has a great behaviour record and had many compliments on our boys etiquette from neutrals. We don’t need to ask Affies as there are always two sides to a story. It’s probably down to a few Pretoria boys being in Durban and Affies don’t like that. They are already in huge competition for the best kids from Garsfontein etc. You love to make sweeping statements but never have any facts to back them up. Do you concede that I was correct about the Glenwood pack weight?
I never said 840kg, you see you like to inflate things because you not bothered to check. Those were stats submitted by the fitness coach after weighing the boys….I’ll post the Kearsney squad list next to make it a little easier for you….
@boerboel: Numpty, Gelant was the best back in SA before injury. Ox Nche would be on the bench behind Redlinghuys who is small himself (scrumming low is key). Whiteley is the only frikkin player on the field with a brain and ball skills. Ask the Kiwi’s what they think of him. You obviously one of these thick okes who thinks you try bash your way through defences rather than run into gaps and at weak shoulders. You must be a Bulls supporter….no clue at all…
@Roger: His defence is a little iffy at present, maybe give him another chance and he plays with Rohan. I remember watching Gelant at centre at school and he was immense there. I also think we need to give Willie another chance, he makes mistakes but he has moments of brilliance too…
We obviously have a few misguided “graduates” from the “Joe Slovo School of Philosophy” present. Lie, deceive, bullshit- do whatever, but God forbid, dont “offend”. If necessary , lick the asses of those of other ethnic origins, even pretend to love them even if you dont. Words mean everything and actions, nothing. The difference between now and previous slumps, is blatantly obvious to those observers who have not attended Joe Slovos academy or exposed their brains to bleach it, used by Hillary Clinton to send 35 000 + e-mails into oblivion. You only need to consult the opinions of local and foreign observers/former players, to realize what the difference is. But you avoid the structural damage to the game at present and conveniently so.
@Roger: Agree with the North option, easier travelling, similar time zones and we should only commit 4 teams, very strong ones. Agree on fewer unions too and less contracts. Contracts must be performance related too.
@Grasshopper: read my comment above – bin super rugby and throw our lot in with the North, reinvent the currie cup and club rugby – then we agree. Don’t forget we won the u20 WC in 2014/13 but that means nothing – the Kiwis have basically thrown in the towel on the U20 WC. They prefer to contract their young stars directly to the franchises and ensure they are playing in the clubs and ITM cup. Benefits of a central contracting system.
further – bin the 14 presidential unions and let SA Rugby be run like a business – but good luck with that one!
Isn’t it fantastic to see our cricketers paste the world champions 5 duck – don’t see any complaints there!
@Roger: selection & coaching. Back then we had hope with winning under20 WC sides & Super rugby franchises in the top 8. We only had a handful of players in Europe. I read a stat the other day, 350 professional rugby players in Europe. That is just crazy! That ‘brain drain’ has robbed us of experience. I mean Eben is 24 and has 50 caps already. Players are being fast tracked from school too quickly. Our under20 side was embarrassed this year by England. We breaking all the wrong records. 20 years ago a loss to Ireland was unheard of, let alone Argentina at home & Japan! I think a change to about 5 personnel and coach could make a big difference. However we just don’t have the depth we used to. Again I say it’s because we don’t have a strong club system moulding players to come up. Kids are missing this vital learning stage and going straight to provincial level, just because they physically big enough doesn’t mean they mentally are. Fame and fortune too early. In the 80’s you had to do your time playing big men at club level, work hard and battle a bit. These days kids are getting it on a plate, big contracts and money. I’m learning here in the UK the huge value of club rugby.
@Grasshopper: so tell me – from 2000-2003 when the Boks were getting rolled by everyone who did you blame – quotas, selections, kak coaching? Was Bok rugby finished? Why is it different now?
@BOG: the funniest thing for me is old Mac grew up in privileged white SA attending an elite school that only the top 1% of earners in the world can afford, but he really understands the plight of the poor & suppressed. He obviously speaks from experience. Straueli was as Kak as AC, nothing to do with race. Harry Viljoen kak, Carel Dup kak! The thing with Straueli is he has learnt from his mistakes and doing a great job at the Lions now.
Ironically, we heard much the same arguments in Zim and Namibia, about selective memories and eras. Now, years later, those eras and memories are not leaving. They are there to stay. But, history in this turbulent continent has shown us that EXPERIENCING and SEEING is the only lesson learnt.
@McCulleys Workshop: Sunshine, this has been coming to you for months, but let me tell you in no uncertain terms, and also those others who have been too polite to tell you in your face- FO. And that is NOT Foreign Office. To suggest that I hate blacks is reprehensible. Im sure that I have more compassion for them than you or even most blacks themselves. Unlike you I just regard PC as invariably a lie, something with which you, are not too familiar with. Asscreeping, dishonesty and PC does not reflect a persons acceptance of others. On the contrary.@Speartackle: True, we will have to qualify first by winning rugbys equivalent of CAF, against Zim and Namibia. And right now, that could prove challenging. It would seem that everyone is stupid and ignorant, and that the only real and true international experts, is a small minority right here in our midst. What an honour for us lesser beings? Yeah, and my grand father was pope Alfonso V
@Speartackle: you didn’t answer the question – how is this AC era different? Out of the RS, HV mess Jake White was appointed – he backed youngsters and had a four year plan and the result was the 2007 WC. He still took some proper beatings on the way though – remember 49-0 in Brisbane? It’s always darkest before the dawn my mate. My opinion, AC is out of his depth and SARU are not helping him and if we really want to turn Bok rugby around and retain our best players we need to bin Super Rugby and play in the Heineken Cup, reinvent the Currie Cup and the Club game.
quick question to all those deriding the current state of bok rugby – how is this era comparable to the 2000-2003 Viljoen, Straueli era where we took some proper beatings (50 plus against Eng at Twickenam, 50+ against NZ at Loftus) and lost to the All Blacks 8 times in a row and beat Aus twice? Is it quotas, coaching, planning, selection, conditioning…….
@BOG: And here we have it, it had to come out sooner rather than later, it’s been veiled and disguised for months now, but your #allblacksarestupid inferences are down right insulting. I think Boishaaipa was kind to you. But narcissists like you don’t care, do you, other than about your view.
@Playa: I shall look past your insults and concede defeat. You are absolutely correct. You have managed to summarize and identify the problems in SA sport generally and rugby in particular, 100% correctly. And how is it working for you? Not at all. They did exactly the same in Zim and Namibia, also saying that things will settle, even out and eventually pick up again. Not so. Brushing over things, does not solve problems. I asked women in the Transkei, taking mussels off the rocks, using spades, why they do so, because they are causing destruction by taking everything off, from baby mussels to every other living thing. Oh, they will return, was their reply. So, I showed them the rocks where they have removed the mussels a while back and asked them if they could see new life returning? And their response? A stare into the distance. That is what the people in Zim and Namibia did and what you are doing now, in a rugby context. As far as comments and posts of deaths and the economy are concerned, that is very relevant to rugby. Rugby does not take place in isolation, those are factors which have a profound impact on sport and just about everything else in a society.
@McCulleys Workshop: would actually love to share a few frosties with that bunch. Spies does however prefer @Riempies as partner for the Braamfontein franchise. Probably scared I will chase too many bootlickers away. Hehehe
@Playa: w.r.t. Your reply to 1317, did not expect a personal reply – but thanks anyway. My point is that when the bulk of good people keep quiet and remain uninvolved, then the status quo will remain. Means sticking out their (our) necks. But hell, do we want to live in moderation or live in abundance (fullness of life)?
@Grasshopper: So was the killing of Simphiwe Pholongo.But you dont know him and his story didn’t go global and I didn’t post it here.Does he matter less than Gary Mackay?
@Playa: the killing of Gary Mackay was a tragic event recognized globally, it’s far more important than a bunch of bored middle aged men drinking, playing golf and talking kak. Sorry not comparable.
On the post directed to me…the ignorant person here is actually you. You, BOG, are part of the problem…you are no better than the current regime, nor the previous one. You BOG are the one with a head in the sand mentality. You BOG are the intolerant being. You BOG are the one who the moment a perspective different to yours, you are quick to label as ‘support for the enemy’. You don’t reflect, you don’t absorb different views, you don’t disagree with substance,but with just words which you interprete to your liking. You are no different to the students who are vandalising and burning property because they want what they want. You just vandalise websites instead. I must be at least 30 years your junior, but I have learned one thing that you clearly haven’t…that out of 5 points, people will disagree on 4 and agree on 1. That 1 point Oom is a starting point. For as long as people like you exist, we will never move to that starting point in this country. We will forever be stuck on arguments – never finding a solution. But I don’t see you seeing you see that. So I will move on.
@Playa: You can express your support or opposition, say what you want, try and justify whatever, or throw a tantrum, but the bottom line is this: As long as the scenario which I outlined above, prevails, you will have the result which we now have. And that is the crux of the problem- people like you, trying to justify your opinion. You can try and convince me from now until Kingdom come, that 1+1 is equal to something else than 2, but it wont change the result. Similarly, you can try and justify the regimes interference, but it will not stop the decline in rugby or any other sport, for that matter. In fact, it would be like a waltz. You can move impressively, make circles all night long, but when the music stops, you are virtually on the same spot.@Grasshopper: Just on the point of Jewish players, it was thought at one stage, that SA should have at least one for “luck”. I think that Syd Nomis was the last
@Playa: Any kind of policy that involves racial bias is unethical and should be scrapped including BEEE, quotas….whatever. You would think SA would have learnt from Apartheid. You cannot correct imbalances by applying policies like this. As you say the only way to correct imbalances is to increase education budgets at the lowest end. Get you best teachers into the townships. These sort sorts of policies build more racial animosity. I can’t think of any other country in the world with quotas or BEEE and there are many countries with melting pots of races, religions etc. It’s like saying the Springboks must have 6 Jewish people in the team, just madness. I really do hope the global sports bodies reevaluate the SA policies and ban/boycott us until this changes. Granted our coaching needs to improve, but get rid of the policies first…
@BOG: I have said this before, and let me again place it on record. Much as I agree that political interference is a huge part of the problem, my view is that it is not the ultimate problem. We have had horrible teams at a time where there was no black biased political interference (92-97 barring the Kitch Kristie era). We have also had some good eras during the time of black biased political interference; Nick Mallet, Jake White, and I would even argue that the PDV era was successful. The common denominator in our failures since 1992 (pre black biased interference) has been in administration and coaching. In as much as the issue of quotas needs to be handled; it cannot be isolated as the root (some even incorrectly say only) cause of the problem in our rugby. Will demolishing quotas tomorrow all of a sudden fix our coaching woes? Will an inclusive approach to evolve our rugby eradicate the need for quotas? If quotas were the main problem, then all businesses that are subjected to Employment Equity standards should be failing, wouldn’t you say? A company that fails because of the imposition of EE was in trouble anyway. That’s just my view.
@Umtata: 8 teams! I had no idea. I have never looked them up, but I’ve been of the impression that they had at least 13 (4 open & 3 in each junior age group).
Interesting that they don’t have u12s…I wonder why.
@Playa – thanks for the response.
I looked at the Muir website, currently they can only field 8 teams max. The junior school can field about 7 teams and does not have u12 teams. I hope this changes with the DC fixture. 12 teams(high school) & at least 10 teams(junior school) that would be better.
@BOG: Agreed. I actually feel for AC, he is a good bloke with good intentions. If only he was given or allowed to pick his support staff. I would certainly involve Johann Ackerman in some capacity, Rassie, Mallett, White….whoever is willing. Zondagh, Swys…..get them in there. Although too many cooks can confuse things more. It needs to be a good balance. Can’t the rugby players break away and create a rebel league/Administration?
@Playa: As a doctors child, you should know that treating an illness, you need to address the causes. Heck, even a sangoma without a BSc, would tell you that. Treating the symptoms and ignoring the underlying causes, is a waste of time. Very much the same with sport. Hassan Howa, had the slogan, “No normal sport in an abnormal society”. He was correct, but the same applies now. You can gather the best coach and support staff- if they would even consider the job in SA, but if you have the government and administrators interfering, you can hardly expect them to accept responsibility for the performance of the team. The same applies to the administrators. So, in SA, you now have the following: An interfering regime; incompetent and compromising administrators; and a demoralized player corps, being lured elsewhere by big money, a relaxed playing atmosphere, and merit being the only criteria. What do you think will happen? Exactly what IS happening.
@Grasshopper: I am wondering if I should answer your question seeing as you haven’t answered mine from yesterday…you claimed Ackerman has won a cup, which is true…and I asked what he has won that AC hasn’t.
To be fair, my answer lies in my response to BrotherBear below. But you already know my name.
@BrotherBear: I may have to give out my name – you’re welcome to ask Beet for it, go on google, and you will see what I do both in rugby and education. I do have an infamous side to me as I was the organiser of the rugby festival where Luke Watson spewed the “Puke” comments (much as I am not a fan of the guy, I can honestly say the media quoted him out of context),so you may want to skip that part . I do what I can, within my means and powers to make whatever impact I can. My protest has been to voice and act at the same time. Listen and understand where people have different views to mine – stop assuming for people. To disagree with substance, not with just a different view. Debate substance, find common ground, devise a solution. Sounds dreamy, but it has worked in most of my endeavours.
How do we fix our problems in rugby, education, and the country as a whole? We all have the answer to that. Trouble is people think that their irks are more important than those of others – and that is where we have a problem.
@Playa: agree that it is a bit irritating when the negative is always brought up. BUT if we know what “the f..k” is going on, why not do something meaningful about it? Agree with @BOG that we acting like frogs in slowly boiling water. Don’t really want to bring black/white into it, but “blacks” must start protesting against all the wrongs, otherwise they are deemed to just just approve and reap the benefits. “Whites” are deemed to be racist when speaking up (not that some of them don’t have a hand in the cookie jar), so their impact are limited. Time for some honest citizens to take the devil by the horns, and not just hide in the cosy corner. “Have-nots” are being misused by socialist and communist forces to sow chaos at universities. Or is it a ploy by Nzimande to detract attention from his plan to have “rich people” pay for education? First phases already deployed. No, I am no doomsday speculator. Just putting some ideas out there.
@BOG: @Grasshopper: No I really don’t get it, and I never will clearly. Why you keep trying to get that through to my thick small town boy head is beyond me. Your wisdom, and intelligence would be better served elsewhere, gentlemen…seriously
@BOG: Exactly, the root cause is governance, right at the top. As Rob Louw tweets every week, the fish rots from the head. We cannot fix anything or paper over cracks when the root cause is not rectified. Playa might get that one day…
@McCulleys Workshop: An undeniable fact of any society, is that governance, or the lack of it, has a profound impact on ALL activities in a country. When that government is not only neutral, but starts meddling in the affairs of sporting bodies, it has an even more profound impact. Thats the first challenge. If you add to that, incompetent and appeasing or compromising administration, it gets worse. Add an incompetent coaching staff and an exodus of players, drawn by money, and pushed by the combination of factors I alluded to, you have a disaster. And that is where SA is.
@Grasshopper: The thing is WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!!! Let that simmer. ou and BOG throwing these things at us everyday is not enlightening. We do have internet access, we do read the news, some of work across these universities, have family there etc….WE FUCKEN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR BLOODY COUNTRY! We come to this blog to talk rugby, not to entertain your bloody egos.
@Playa: Dude it’s a reality, academics are going. It’s not a figment of my imagination. This is a real case example. My father-in-law is world renowned ophthalmic surgeon, he left SA 15 years ago due to issues in his industry. Anyway, let’s chat about rugby then…
@BOG: @Grasshopper:
Just when I thought we were, for the first time, engaging in some constructive rugby speak, you go and pull this unsurprising stunt, Oom – disappointing. And of course, Hopper couldn’t resist to jump in with his 5 pence worth
@Playa: Not just France, but club rugby in the UK too. But it would seem that new opportunities are being created at universities in SA for Sangomas in a non-Colonial education. Academics- that is now the uncivilized , Westernized ones, are lining up to leave SA. Do you know of any identifiable group, other the crony capitalists in the ANC, who are not queuing up to leave? http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2016/10/12/Academics-queuing-to-quit-SA
@BOG: Club level in the NH (AKA France)looks healthy by virtue of the number of foreign players in their leagues – driven largely b the big pay cheques. This is evident in their (France) national sides’ results. The best thing England did for their rugby was capping salaries, and foreign players allowed in their clubs a few years back. The benefit filtered through to the other home nations.
A leaf taken out of Spanish football, perhaps?
@Speartackle: @Buddy: Cool jersey, its a no brainer concept. Can we make Umhlanga for mature patrons? What about “the Spear on Grass”? He may like it!
@BOG: How have they remained relevant with all the decay around them?
@Speartackle: Daai Wildcoast baan het al met my gegool. Daai een kortgat oor die kloof, dink ek, op n mooi dag, is seker omtrent n 9 yster of selfs n wedge. Maar ek was nie daar op n “mooi” dag nie, maar met n westewind van voor. En as ek reg kan onthou, het ek die sloot oorgesteek met n 3 of 4 yster, en dit na omtrent 5 pogings. Een van die redes waarom ek my stokke “opgehang” het.So, ek hoop julle het n lekker wind om dit interessant te maak. Laat ons weet hoe Bush met daai gat veral, gedoen het.@Playa: Personally, I think that rugby in the NH, is quite healthy-even at club level. But as with politics, the world is in a mess, but somehow, SA has just managed to add a dimension, and taken it a few steps further than the rest. By the way, the worlds debt now stand at $ 152 TRILLION and a total melt down is almost unavoidable. Fasten your seat belt.
@Umtata: Sources say Graeme were first choice, but weren’t too keen on reviving the fixture.Seems they’re happy with the Graeme Rugby Day arrangement.
Logistically – we once had an annual fixture against Dan Pienaar, albeit that ended 10 years ago.
Strength wise – yeah, possibly not the strongest opposition (Graeme would be stronger), but I am sure the atmosphere can more than make up for that. But hey, those Muir boys can turn in up when they want to. I think their 15As pulled a rat out of a hat against Grey this year
@Playa – With regards to the post about the Muir v Dale fixture, do you really think it will be fruitful for DC? I think adding Graeme would have been better, strength wise & logistically.
I’m sure the boys will enjoy the new atmosphere though.
@Grasshopper: Much better Mark Reason, much better!
World rugby is in a mess. All Blacks aside, only two other nations have ‘improved’ in the last 3 seasons – Argentina and England. The rest (in the top 10) I’m afraid have just gone sideways.
On de Jongh – he was poor on attack, but I do sympathise with him on defence. Not easy having to carry the defensive duties for both your inside center and your flyhalf.
@BOG: Hahaha! 1993 is when Dale beat Grey – 1994 didn’t happen remember, because a few BOGs sat around a fire post the ’93 game and decided to can the Dale fixture. The 1st teams met at Saints in ’94 though and Dale got a thumping
@BOG: oh yes and that English scribe too who knows nothing about rugby, Slot is his name. Maybe he was a lock in his day. It’s flippin sad when even twat boy Will Carling, irritation Dewi Morris & one-eyed Brian Moore feel sorry for SA, that’s just embarrassing!
Grey will always be the benchmark, others like Booishaai are just getting closer due to demographic and population redistribution. Cape Town and surrounds are like the new Joburg! The Republic of the Western Cape.
Did you see the daylight robbery story at the DHS under16 polo tourno, crazy! Brazen!
@BOG: Ek wag net vir Maandag se Wild Coast trippie dan sal ek vertel van verlede Woensdag se krieket, Vrydagaand saam die boys in Umhlanga, Saterdag se fiasko en dan Wild Coast.
@Bush: again dude my sister is in NZ happily married to a Pom, she wouldn’t touch you with a barge pole. I can rest easily at night knowing that. You too scared to divulge your real name so can’t look you up so to speak. Also, why don’t you support the school that you actually attended for 5 years at high school than the toff boys who paid you to go there, probably because it’s an unknown school in the sticks where you were a big fish in a small pond….
@Grasshopper: Player will tell you that Mark Reason has no credibility.@Speartackle: Wanneer kom daai tweede uitgawe van jou uit? Of het die nuus opgedroog op die “Slow Coast” ? Die “Spear and Bog”, sal goed doen op “Freedom Square”, previously known as the Hexagon in Queenstown. On a second level so that the patrons can stare at the goats eating the grass and the fountains which never work. And the hi-jackers and thieves going about their business, undisturbed.
@Bush: The FS never sent two teams to CW. There were people who strongly propagated that, but it was never a reality. It would have been seen as too elitist- although on merit, justified. GCB have gone through dips like these before. 1994 is an example. Goodness me, they even lost to Players Dale College, if I remember correctly. You cannot draw conclusions after 2 seasons or even 3. In 15 yrs from now, in whatever is left of SA/rugby, perhaps then only. But if I were a betting man, —-
@Bush: just imagine what the Cherries would do to House’s 1st team! Although Glenwood 2nds beat the Cherries. Matched teams Grey would beat House by 100 plus….carnage, especially in Bloem…..
@BOG: Morning BOG that’s a true story. I remember watching Grey’s final game last year and they beat GW with I think what some people were saying their 3 and 4th team. But then I was at the corner section of the pavilion where they serve lekker a Cappie and Coke. During my school time Free State would send two teams to CW. The A side mostly from Grey. The B team made up of other schools including Grey players. These years there is only one Freestate team with a few Grey players. Why is that? Have the surrounding schools become better? Or has Grey’s standard dropped? (Don’t include CC as we never had those teams in our time)
@McCulleys Workshop: Not too shabby if people think that a team which has been plagued by injuries,which they will not use as an excuse, ended up 3 and 2 in the “rankings”,over the last 2 seasons, seems to think that their rugby days are behind them. Despite the fact that these occasional “dips” have occurred throughout their history, a history of a 90% + winning record over a century. What would any other school, not to mention the Boks, do for such a record? And watch them next year. @Playa: I did say that denial is one way of dealing with the truth, but your last comment has reminded me, that sarcasm, is another.
@McCulleys Workshop: What?Are you blind?!?!Can’t you see they’ve been interfered with politically.Stupid selections,quotas and an exodus to Boishaai are the cause.
@BOG: I’ve been thinking about Grey, seems like their best rugby days are behind them. Although they still produce good sides, they don’t seem to produce great sides as consistently as they used to. The last few seasons haven’t been stella by their own record.
@Playa: And reading your comments, reminds me of the Iraqi minister, who was spokesperson for Saddam during the American invasion. When the whole world was watching the Americans in Baghdad, he asked, “What Americans?” Not Chemical Ali? Its called, blinded by propaganda. In the meantime, the NZ press says that its the worst Bok team in history, primarily caused by stupid selections, quotas and the European exodus.
@BoishaaiPa: @BoishaaiPa: You know what, you bring a very good point. I’ll tell you why I say that. Cheslin Kolbe 3 years ago would have done the visionary thing in that situation, but the Kolbe of today would have probably done exactly what de Jongh did. He fell victim to those bad decisions a few times in the S18 this past season. Where do you think it went wrong?
I recall a young Morne Steyn who came onto the scene offering an all-round visionary game that kept Derrick Hougard on the bench. But the man I see today (that I have seen in the past 6 seasons or so) is a shadow of that young man.De Allende who 2 seasons ago was the go to man if you needed someone to run into space – but today, it’s head down and bash – Jan Serfontein another. Not to make excuses for his below par performances in the Championship, but we saw an instinctive visionary in Elton Jantjies when in a Lions jumper, but a donkey working on instructions he cannot understand in the green and gold.
Funnily – I commented to mate on Saturday that if Dane Coles was a SAffa playing here, he would at best be playing club rugby. Or alternatively be forced to lose some baby fat, put on muscle and go to either flank or center…but most likely wing…LOL!
@Grasshopper: Hahahaha! That really got me cracking!
As for the article – roll polony for what? This is the stuff that gets BOG going – he cant wait to tell the writer that he is a defender of the current regime, his head is in the sand, he is blind, he made the worst ever choice by coming back….and and and
@BoishaaiPa: Totally agree, vision is an instinct that you either have or don’t. By Bok level it should be a given. Also at Bok level fitness should be a given, the top fitness levels one can get…..triathlete level as a min. If a rugga player can’t do a short triathlon then they need to train more. Marx could have a moving target customised for him to throw at until he hits it 10 out of 10 times. It really is simple stuff…
A top Rugby player should beside a topclass skills set, also have vision, for without vision you would be forever blind for oppertunities! All great players have vision..to do the right thing at the right time and be in the right place. That cannot be coached, but it can be enhanced through analyzing games and situation plays. Case in point..De Jongh gets the ball after a NZ mistake..turns around and his first instinct is to kick it downfield!..If he had kept the ball and looked more for support he could have offloaded or even if he got tackled a few meteres down the line…we would have kept possession and could have launched another attack..You don’t kick good turnaround possession away.. Simple basics and vision gone wrong. And there are many such examples of wrong choices because players lack the basic vision to do the right thing at the right time.
@Playa: Your not so subtle defense of the system and status quo, is glaringly obvious. 99% of the SAs in NZ, are there as refugees, to be honest. Until the regime takes its filthy paws off sport, there will be rapid decline and imminent death. Its already terminal. Its that simple and there for all to see, unless you are as blind as a bat.
@Playa: You should have just kept quite or offered him a hug. We are going to hear all about his bad childhood and his over sized brain.
See I told you
@Playa: Working in digital analytics and insight, I think comprehension is actually a strength, but hey ho. Not bothered to go back and read between the lines, sorry…
@Grasshopper: Mate, with all due respect, I think you battle with comprehension. Read BOG’s (1258) post then read my response (1261) again….very slowly…take your time.
@Playa: That Sportsfreak site ripped into Moren Steyn and Damian de Allende for being above criticism, it’s got nothing to do with race. Take that out of the equation……..it’s MERIT, let’s see if that can get through. The whole team could be Chinese as long as they are there on merit..
@BOG: Well, whatever the reasons, we can safely say that he didn’t leave due to political interference – if anything else, if his reasons were career motivated, chances are it had more to do with union/club old boys’ interference more than anything.
P.S. If the ‘anything else’ you speak of is what I think it is – you or Hopper would have not missed the opportunity to post it here. Post 1215 is exhibit A.
@Playa: Robbie Fleck being one of them, no experience in coaching but now the Head Coach of our largest Union, just dumb! Jimmy Stonehouse is another good coach lost to SA. Being a good player does not mean you going to be a good coach.
@Ploegskaar: Nail on the head! One has to commend Ackerman (ex-player himself), who was handed a style of play by John Mitchell, and has made it work – as opposed to the ‘revert back to normal’ mentality most of these coaches seem to deploy when they take over a team. Plenty of aspiring coaches, with fresh ideas, and a skill set that needs experience and refinement out there – but because they are neither a coach that has been around for 20 odd years (the article Hopper sent being a case in point) nor an ex-player, we will never see them climb up.
Astute rugby brains, who understand the modern game, like Bobby Joubert and Vuyo Zangqa to name just two who spring to mind, are people we should be looking at and honing their skills – more importantly allow them to execute their ideas, their way.. Instead, we will keep crying for Jake White (who people forget he almost didn’t make it to the 2007 world cup due to poor 2005-2006 results) and Nick Mallet. Or alternatively wait for the next long serving Bok to retire so he can get a ‘tender’ in a union, and be fast tracked to the national set-up.
Dwight Who is the fellow in NZ? If he had said anything else, his letter would not have been published and certainly not quoted here. His presence is needed in SA, but I bet, for a whole host of reasons, he has sought the safe environs of NZ. The fact is that no coach with self respect will tolerate political interference from idiotic politicians who know or care zip about rugby. First step. De-politicize rugby and all other sport. Until then, accept the accelerated decline and imminent death of the game.
@Speartackle: Whahaha I nearly rolled my bakkie. I’m on my way to Thirsty Whale see you there. We can watch the highlights again of Saturdays Rugby game. Then analyse Playa’s message and post something significant on the Blog.
I will be there in an hour. Look out for me and my beard. I will gooi a lekker donut in the parking lot. Hopefully I won’t run over the oke that sells the Avo’s.
@Bush: Let’s stick to rugby related matters please. Arrange your practice sessions and golf games on that Whatsapp group you toffees got going here in Natal
@Speartackle: This afternoon I will be off too the range. I’m going to get a game in this week. You keen for a round at Umdoni? Will help with the mental prep for Wild Coast. I will book for Thursday. Why am I say this on this blog, jis. This adds no value.
@Playa: Good read, problem is too many ex-player coaches in the system, coaching from the same manuals and running the same field drills, but adding no core value. Hardly surprising that SARU even has a “Scouting Manual” with “guidelines” for buffoons that need to be accommodated in “the system” as “recruiters”.
As a point of departure we need to (re)define the function of the coaching collective in SA, and then the individual functions of the head coach,
forward coach, back line coach, defense coach, kicking coach and the various required technical and skill experts. Most importantly though, the head coach must be a student of the game, tactically sound, analytically focused, with the ability to effectively manage staff and players.
@Bush: what exactly rugbywise have you contributed? Nothing! It’s all about your golf trips, drinking and kak praat. I actually do bring facts and figures to the party.
@Grasshopper: To add to been a racist. Your list is getting as long as your nose. Isn’t Movember to grow a moustache? Not a beard, then it would be Beardvember. Have a good day. Peace brother. Don’t forget me when you are back in SA.
@Bush: it’s called Movember, ever heard of it? A charity for Prostrate cancer. Grown it for 3 months each time. Well I support GW and you anybody but GW, so good stuff. We can’t all agree. I’m beardist and dumbass’ist too..
@Grasshopper: 6 times??? Is 6 not a Flank a fetcher that SA needs. Well done for admitting to been a troll as all can talk about is GW and yourself. Well done for coming clean. It’s a step in the right direction?????
@Grasshopper: …loads of young quality loose head fatties in SA….Lizo & Pierre keep on getting MOTM performances….Ox is amazing…..the sharks are ruining Du Toit’s career by shifting him to 3…he’s a 1……
@Grasshopper: Don’t be racist towards my beard and towards Afrikaans people. It’s according to my religious beliefs I have a beard. Maybe you should try grow one. Then only real men grow beards. Check how lekker Ardendorff’s beard is. He’s a real man. Troll??? Does that include you???
I feel a hug coming on?????.
@Muzi: they don’t need to as they run around the opposition, something SA players (cough Damian de Allende) need to learn. Warren is 105kg big enough, Read is 110kg, not a huge difference.
@Speartackle: Yip….take a look at Read & Kaino….mongrel..skills & brains…..Kwagga from the lions is one of the few loose forwards in SA that has those traits…..
@Bush: cut off that ridiculous Voortrekker beard you hiding behind, grow up, talk some sense and I might have some time for you, until then your clear anti Glenwood stance and attempts to wrile me will be ignored. I have no time for trolls….
@Grasshopper: WW & Jaco Kriel can’t truck it up in the collisions they have brains BUT in test rugby against England/NZ they will lose the gain line battle…no mongrel in the tackle point….
@Playa: once again you make assumptions, I don’t care what colour the players are, just ensure you pick both coaches & players on merit. Alistair may have the most experience but what has he actually won, nothing. Mallett, White, Ackerman etc have actually won things. I agree on our coaches but we do have many very good coaches, trained to the highest levels, attending Murray Mexted courses etc. Sean Erasmus is just one. So to make sweeping statements about all our coaches being Kak is rubbish. What we lacking is a solid base of club rugby players, they are the heart and soul of the game. I’m in England now and attending club games on Sunday, good 2 to 3,000 people watching a small town team. What has happened to the Collegians, Rovers, Despatchs of the world. Your mate has got it all wrong again, it’s not about race it’s about merit. Simple as…
@Grasshopper: No to get sucked into this again. I came across the below article from an expat living and coaching rugby in New Zealand. His name is Dwight Engelhof. I’ll just leave this here:
“Warning rugby rant ahead… A large one.
I have been brewing on this post for some time, but after what I’ve seen in the press over the last little bit I now feel as though this needs to be said. SA Rugby is in serious trouble, something I have been vocal about for sometime, but it is now only becoming truly apparent how big the problem is and how far we have sunk. However what is really pissing me off is what people are blaming and how these views are spreading.
The idea that the quota system or transformation is to blame for the demise of the Springboks is nonsense – more to the point it is complete and utter BS! And now foreigners the world over, including the kiwis I live with, are beginning to believe this rubbish. If you believe this is the cause of the Springboks demise you most likely also believe that “Reverse Racism” is a real thing. If you do have these views please take a minute to think about what actually is “Reverse Racism” and how you are being blinded by ignorance, prejudice and fear.
Until 1996 the All Blacks had never won a test series against South Africa at home and there is argument that they were the best team in the world until that point. This was all achieved by only the minority of the population. So after 20 years of including the entire population into our game we should be bossing the rugby world as our playing base has massively improved. Add to this, something that most people forget, on a simple athlete by athlete comparison genetically black athletes are superior to white athletes. Don’t believe me – go look at the majority of other physical or athletic sports and so who scores highest in the physical testing scores. Or just look at the Pacific Islanders FFS!
So do not believe the BS that black players are weakening rugby in SA!
What is weakening South African rugby is a coaching crisis and this coaching crisis is the major weakness across the entire game in South Africa – i.e. it is widespread! From u6 Bulletjie rugby to the Boks – undercoating is happening. I am not only talking about the current Bok coaching team or set up. On the contrary Allister Coetzee and part of his team are the people most qualified to coach the national side at present. Their current record simply serves to reinforce how poor our coaching stocks are as they are the best on offer. Best in class as the engineers would say.
The key underlying problem with our coaching is that ‘coaches’ in South Africa are in reality only selectors, they do not coach. The South African approach/process involves either selecting who the coach views as the best players and building a game plan around these players and their limited skill sets. Or alternatively the coach deciding on a game plan/style and then selecting the players who he believes best fit that plan. There is very rarely any actual coaching going on. There is hardly time spent on improving players technical, tactical or core skills. To my knowledge this approach even goes way back.
The best example of this at present is the difference in performance between Malcolm Marx and Dan Coles in Christchurch a few weeks back. Malcolm is a phenomenal talent and offers a great deal as a player. However his core skill as a hooker is throwing the ball into a lineout and this is not yet developed – off memory he missed/skewed 3 throws in the test off the bench. He moved to hooker 6 years ago, how in six years has no-one invested in coaching him how to execute a skill under pressure?! Conversely Dan Coles did not miss a throw (his core skill) and showed off other skills that are better than the majority of the backline players in South Africa (his pass to set up Whitlock in the corner being case in point).
Marx and many other top white Springboks go to the top rugby schools in the country, are part of one of the big 5 Unions and yet they are clearly being under coached (don’t get me started on Etzebeths inability to pass!!!) So please do not tell that players of colour are weakening the Springboks, our lack of coaching and coaches are!
A large part of the coaching crisis involves the administrators of the game in SA but that is a whole separate rant and one I am still yet to fully understand. But that is not the key/major reason – coaching is. You can have the best sports administrators in the world but without top coaching not much will be achieved. Top coaches however can achieve – even with administration working against them. So coaching remains our problem.
So how to rectify this – well as supporters put pressure on your Unions to invest in coaching, knowledge and Intellectual Property of the game! If you think I am talking nonsense – go ask your Union how many IRB/World Rugby Level 3 qualified coaches are part of their Union and how many Level 3 courses they run. And not SARU or Union Levels – World Rugby. Then ask them what are their coaching pathways and how do they plan to develop world class coaches. Lastly ask them how many skills coaches that employ, then weigh this up vs how many teams they run. You might just be surprised.
And please stop blaming players of colour, because if you are you simply deflecting from what is the true shortcoming of South African rugby, and therefore you are the problem.
@Grasshopper: THats a good petition but unfortunately nobody gives a flying fnuck about the public outcries……maybe these rent-a-hooligans must leave the varsities and tackle the staduims
@Grasshopper: Morning Racist Hopper, going back to your thread 1196. I don’t think its bias I think its unrealistic. Adendorff is an athlete of note, much like his brother. Lets not talk about his mom and dad, what great people.
You mention you think his plays for Boland, if you were such a follower like you are on twatter then you would know he does play for Boland. Muzi is correct he should have signed with another Province.Any way its okay that you have a brain freeze every now and again. Its the High Altitude weather you are not accustomed too.
When are you back in SA? It would be great to touch base with you “Eye of the Tiger” stuff. Or even if it’s just a good old GW hug from you. Don’t forget your blazer. If you keen look me up.I don’t do twatter, Facebook or any of those social media things. I’m pretty private and like to keep my success and failures to myself. Get in touch with Beet, he’s got my number. Chat to Spear as you follow him on twatter.
By the way-Bader was the best ever Fly Half to wear the Red and White for House. He will be a Springbok soon. Maybe sooner that Adendorff and Zeilinga.
Have a lekker day, let’s hear more of your success and your bad childhood. Maybe that’s why you always want to fight people on the blog. Its okay,you can talk to me, I don’t have a couch you can lie on. We can play on the merry-go-round. Or I can push you on the swings.
I often sit and wonder what goes wrong in a promising sportsman’s life. Shaun Adendorff was such a nice clean cut young man when he left Glenwood….look at him now……shaved himself bald, grew that funny beard and plastered himself with those tattoos.
Why…why….why on earth did Quinton de Kock have his whole arm tattood?
Sigh players like Jaco Kriel & Warren Whitely are too passive on “D”…..in 2017 we still need rough riders like Marcell Coetzee…Duane Vermuelen…Bismark Du Plessis forwards that have mongrel……
@Grasshopper: Adendorff should have signed for WP or the Cheetahs…at the Bulls in 2017 he will have to compete for a starting place with Roelof Smit & Stoney Steenkamp two quality young open side flanks…..not to mention Nic De Jager……
@Speartackle: Die Parade is nog redelik, maar stap een blok in, en dit is soos derde wereld. Die naam ontgaan my nou, maar daai een hotel wat altyd gewild was onder sportspanne, is n bouval en hulle huur kamers uit per uur. En nie die enigste nie. Nee, voordat jou verbeelding op loop gaan, hulle adverteer dit groot BUITE. Natuurlik is daar n afname in belangstelling. Afgesien van politiek, bepaal resultate ook maar belangstelling en natuurlik is daar manipulasie en BS. n Paar jaar terug, het dit aan die lig gekom dat die OK regering duisende bestee het aan kaartjies wat uitgedeel is aan pelle en werknemers . Die ander sal nie n uitsondering wees nie.
@Speartackle: Daar was wragtig n ma se klomp mense en moet se dat die gees daar by die B veld baie goed was! Die Sharks het daar n wen resep om toeskouers happy te hou. Rugby vandag ,gaan mos meer as om net die wedstryd te kyk.
Die 0/19 en 0/21 semis vind ook die naweek plaas. WP se 2 spanne speel Vrydag op Nuweland beide teen die Vrystaat. Die Leeus se o/21 span speel ook Vrydag op Ellis Park teen die Bulle en Saterdag speel die Bulle se o/19 span teen die Leeus in voor wedstryd vir die Curriebeker stryd tussen Bulle en WP op Loftus.
Ons het n Buitesenter wat BinneSenter speel en n Heelagter op Buitesenter. Ons het n Linkervleuel op Regtervleuel om n Skrumskakel op Linkervleuel te akkomodeer en ons Heelagter is n Losskakel. Dit raak regtig intressant as die plaasvervangers opkom. As jy jou Linkervleuel op Regtervleuel wil vervang dan moet jy n Heelagter op stuur wat dan Heelagter speel in die plek van jou Losskakel op Heelagter en skuif dan jou Losskakel Heelagter na Regtervleuel toe. Om die kersie op die koek te sit word jou skrumskakel beseer en jy stuur n 8ste man op om jou Oopkant Flank wat nou Steelkant Flank speel te vervang sodat jou Oopkant op Steelkant na Linkervleuel toe kan skuif sodat jou Skrumskakel wat Linkervleuel speel jou beseerde skrumskakel kan vervang….. En hulle weet nie hoekom ons deurmekaar vertoon op die veld nie???
@BOG: On Saturday I was walking behind 2 “officials” just before the game and overheard one saying to the other……’ they’re expecting 50 000 spectators today and some people reckon there’s a decline in interest’
@Speartackle: I hope everyone is enjoying Kruger day celebrations ,like me on 10 Oct. Went up for the rugby to Durban, but do not want to discuss the matter ! Hopefully this weekend will be much better. Off to Loftus, I go !
STEP 1 (Before anything else) Get rid of any political interference in the appointment of the coaching staff and the selection of the team. We see what the regime has done to “governance”. Why would they do anything else with sport?
@Speartackle: naaa, hoor weer die manne rus nou vir die volgende paar maande. Eet net pasta en pizza om bietjie groot te word. Sal hier by Maart inklok en bietjie fiksheid doen. Behoort dan goeie rolmaal bewegings te kan doen.
@Speartackle: People will laugh at me and say yet another Glenwood bias, but watch Shaun Adendorff, I think at Boland. That kid can fetch, he steals ball for breakfast….
@Speartackle: couldn’t think of another threesome accept those you had with the hot Boere Meisies up in Krugersdorp. Your Monnas man Alberts looked ok out there, maybe getting a bit long in the tooth though. Maybe we should call up old Wahl Bartmann as he would do better than some…
@BrotherBear: Jeez, true story, I’ve just had a clip (not the Hopper bonding type of clip) from my daughter at Tuks with the riot police chasing off a crowd of vigilantes masquerading as arseholes.
@McCulleys Workshop: why don’t they pick a few of the students holding up classes at Varsities all over the country? They seem to be quite effective – hehehe.
Plus side – if they don’t get the job done then they will be too Opgef.k to cause any further mayhem.
@Skopgraaf243: some of the personnel are right, front row is strong, especially with Marx, locks Ok and learning, maybe need a battle hardened oldie in there like Juadre Kruger. Whiteley is skillful, maybe best on the bench. Backs are a gemors, not too sure where to start with them….Eish!
@Buddy… ..as a Knightrider fan you will know who “CAR” is?
(The evil twin to “Kit”!)…much like our Boks of today, they look and dress the same but my oh my are they busy with a game of their own!
Nie eers die BAGGER VANCE van rugby kan die AC red nie!
DIE KENMERKE VAN DIE BOKS BREIER:
P L A N L O O S ! ! !
D O E L L O O S ! ! !
M O E D E L O O S ! ! !
You can’t hide the shortcomings of the current coaching staff.
It is much like some players being selected on qouta’s, and when selected they claim the merit card. We have soooo much to offer, however the selectors won’t recognise the inform players!
The current problem starts and ends with the coach and selectors. When will they see what everyone else in the rugby world is seeing.
There is NO experienced players putting up a hand, yet they get gametime weekin and out!
FLO….in my opinion pretty good example, and now suddenly he is a MUST for year end tour!, what are they smoking!
De Jongh and De Allende … aijajai
….and the list goes on….
@McCulleys Workshop: where are players like Ox Nche, Thomas du Toit, RG Snyman, Jason Jenkins, Paul Willemse, Jacques du Plessis in a succession plan? These kids should be on the UK tour where you need big runners. Surely a proper fetcher needs to be found too…
@Buddy: Alister can’t pick talent, even when it’s was presented on a platter at the Spear and Anchor. But at least he is not besotted with the mature playa’s.
Complete and utter shambles this weekend, obviously the Boks were out with Bush and Spear during the week. I bet the Boks were getting wrecked when the AB’s were in their hotel rooms playing tiddlywinks…
By all accounts, for some reason,there seems to be an increase in interest in other enjoyable sportS, as opposed sport. Surfing seems to be one of those, but some are afraid that the board wont keep them afloat, and I can understand that. A friend of mine, in Umhlanga,rents out boards- the old Hawaian Long board, which caters for the more “weightier” patrons. He has mounted the long boards , each on 2 X 44 gallon drums for buoyancy, Just keep out of the shallow, otherwise you will be exposed. So, dont let your weight keep you out of the water
@Skopgraaf243: Graaf I was considering a comeback Saturday after the game…..Even called @Bush and appointed him as forward coach and @Spear as backline coach as the Boks just looked like there’s just no plan
Make use of the knowledge Alister (SARU) and surround yourself with them !!!!!
@Speartackle…days of our lives?…jou voorgestel om bietjie meer diy programme of discovery maybe even history kanale te volg, maar soaps!…nothing wrong being in touch with your feminine side
@Buddy: There were also pale white afrikaans speaking families proudly walking around with AB gear……..like BOG said………The end of a great rugby rivalry………..
Attended a braai yesterday where a 11 year old boy asked his dad……..Pappa, het ons al ooit die All Blacks gewen?
Like the sands of time….so are the days of our lives
@Speartackle: Must say the guys from Micthells plain supported the AB from the cheap seats in the corner of the Tank……..Felt like a WWWWPPP game on Newlands
@Playa: Lets see what happens in the tests in Australia?@Bush: You seem to be a sucker for punishment. Only thing worse you could do, is to watch the high lites of the match. Which bowlers exactly, are our “choice” bowlers?
@Playa: Hi Playa, flipper man. Aussies are struggling. It’s not even our first choice bowlers. Maybe we did that due to the Aussies sending their B team. Or maybe there is a little “The Devil Made Me Do It” going on. Who knows!!!!!
@GreenBlooded: I agree on Whiteley too, very good player that will never let a side down, but not world class. His leadership is though and for me the man to lead SA to the next WC.
@Bush: You just need to get over the withdrawal symptoms of the “white death”, aka sugar, I hope that they tax it into oblivion. Forget about “banting”- just cut out sugar and starch, which becomes sugar when it hits the stomach. Sugar is the secret weapon of the food industry, and as addictive as the other white powder which people snort up their noses. That, essentially, is what causes hunger pangs and a craving for more. Been without it for 3 months and I feel a different person- 20 yrs younger. And shedding a few kgs is an added bonus.
@BOG: Mnr no as above I’m using your Banting diet. I’m struggling. Maybe this will become the new struggle. Any way how you doing?? Are things well? Do you need a hug ????
@GreenBlooded: One of several possibilities: 1) You got a very hard bump against the head; 2) You have been drinking rum with Bush all night, or the one I think, most likely, 3) You said it sarcastically, because, given your past wisdom, even with a bottle of rum in the belly, you could not possibly mean what you said.@Bush: Most of us love SA and SA sport, which explains why we refuse to compromise and look the other way. At least our batsmen will look good again on a St Georges flatty, and Australias second grade bowlers. Sure to guarantee at least 6 hours of drinking time for you.
@Grasshopper: Sprinkaan the racist, I hope it’s not a chip on my shoulder. I thought it was my face(head). I’m pretty happy here in SA. Have a lekker buddy in the Free State. Have a best buddy in the UK(That’s you but don’t say a word). No reason whatsoever for me to have a chip on my shoulder. I feel like another hug, let’s hug?????
@Grasshopper: Well done Sprinkaan the racist, how come you didn’t do High Jump? You look like a lekker High Jumper. Jis Radebe was a legend. Do you know his records still stand. GW was and still is an amazing school. My grand kids definetly are going there, especially if I have something to say where they should go.
Love you brother, let’s hug again???????. Call me
@Grasshopper: Did you say Bakkies ja bring him back. He’s a legend.
I did Standard 5 twice. I know you a racist. I understood it was a typo!!! It’s fine we all make mistakes. Just some of us admit them. Well done on the Half Colours for gooing the discus. It’s a little unfair though. Your Pa brought back the train wheels from Spoornet for you to gooi in the garden. Lister-James only used Sliver Spoons. No hang over I’m using BOG Banting recipe. No alcohol, I’m struggling. Love you big time Sprinkaan the racist.
Zoom in on the badge, you might read ‘Athletics’, it’s a hard word for you I know. To get colours & Honours you had to make KZN or SA, like Tyrone Peacock (2.15cm in high jump), Ryan Renaud (2.12cm in high jump), Attila Dudas (100m, Long jump & triple jump), Gareth Weir, Lucky Hadebe (800m & 1500m) & Barrett Pardey (shot put). Glenwood won the D&D 5 years in a row.
@Bush: Athletics half colours you numpty, we didn’t give away awards. I threw the discus alot further than the House overgrown post matric behemoths (Lister-James & co). Typo, are = and maybe use your brain a little. Hiding behind a hipster beard is a little boy with a serious chip on his shoulder.
@Grasshopper: Sprinkaan you racist, I’m not a violent oke. I have no idea why you always want to moer me. Come on don’t burn things down that have beards. It shows your hatred. I promise to show repsect to your sissie in the morning.
I don’t like fighting, please Sprinkaan you racist, let’s not fight, I’m your future. I’m in love and have a ton of love to give. Let’s hug. You can wear your Blazer I’m okay with that???????
@Grasshopper: Saffas are the scourge of modern soceity. They are even worse than chavs. Saffas tend to infest small areas of a city quickly turning them into “no-fly zones” for anyone not of european descent.
Lekker Hopper, I see your Blazer had nothing to show for the struggle during the 90’s, you poor child. Looks like it says Perfect or Prefect. My English is bad but I love your ummmmm??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️.
@BOG: Thanks Mnr BOG I with think of that the next time I pour a Cappie. Maybe there won’t be Coke due to Sugar Tax. Move on to Single Malt or just keep on walking Blue. I love SA and it’s Sport. Viva SA Viva SA.
Exactly! I don’t know what Oom BOG is on about. The Bokke are the pride of the nation – definitely the best 23 players we have and a coaching team of immense capability and deep understanding of the modern game. As for casting aspersions at our Honourable Sports Minister- well that is just the last straw! How dare he make such disparaging remarks about this selfless man of vision?
@Grasshopper: At the moment, SA might struggle against Zim and Namibia, but what the heck. Its not about rugby, but using it for political gain.@Playa: What was there to “analyze”? Mind you, I could do it with two letters- a total “FU” Just one question to answer. Is there any form of interference in the appointment of the coaching staff or the selection of the players? If you struggle with an answer, let me know.@Bush: You should really reduce the quantity of Coke in your rum. It would help to put you to bed earlier.
@Grasshopper: I received a D for English but this: “You are your inebriated beard need a good klap. Wish I was there to do it…”
That makes sex for your sister.
@Bush: stop being such a childish twat. No Saffa wants to see the failure of the Boks. Sometimes a reality check like tonight is needed to make change. You are your inebriated beard need a good klap. Wish I was there to do it…
I do hope that entrance to the Shark Tank was free for all SAs. Otherwise, it was daylight robbery. The biggest puzzle for me, was how SA managed to get 15 points? For some old supporters watching the match sober, it must have been agony. I reckon they should give Impi a chance. Im sure he knows zip about rugby, but at least he has entertainment value. But the vertically challenged “minister” will be pleased. They are now on par with Bafana and government. Transformation completed.
@Speartackle: Spear, what happened? I turned my back and you were heading out the door with 2 Umhlanga Milf’s. You a legend here on the North and South Coast
@GreenBlooded: It won’t be pretty if all 4 of them climb out their Green “ode to Hopper” Onesie and invade the pitch, not sure how you tackle 4 naked ventriloquists.
@ McCulleys- it seems like it will be the Wes rand by the sea and I am a respectable citizen of this town. Got to be careful who I am seen with There is a family gathering and I will try angle it to be at the OBox so I can possibly pop in later around the same time as Vleis. The problem is that Spear will have morphed into Nonnie and wIll try and jump me.
As the ABs are playing in Durbs I thought I would dig up some history when even little old Natal were able to draw with them. Don Clark scored the try that drew the match with the old man missing him in the corner. I remind him of this constantly.
@Vleis:
I need to introduce you okes to some proper watering holes outside the Republic of Umhlanga. Stokers for example in Kloof. Or if you really want to remind yourselves of the West Rand there is always the Wentworth Hotel on the Bluff.
@Andre T:
What happened to Tannie Nonnie? She hasn’t blogged since Rugby 365 days when ou Paul Dobson used to block us and send us emails. Did she stop blogging or did you forget the login details?
@Andre T:
Why don’t all you Vaalies meet at the WaveHouse at Gateway, hire some of those surfboards and have a full Durban experience? I think they have some extra large super buoyant models for you okes.
@Bush: I don’t know pre 91, ask Greenblooded he played 2nd team prop in 89. All I know is Toppy would not have manipulated the system so if that happened it wasn’t his doing.
@Grasshopper: So GW did do that? In the 90’s ,( 89 or 90 )your schools shittist years. There was a Border Schools prop that arrived at GW. I suppose his parents got a transfer to Natal or they didn’t want him in the Army so he did Matric again. Mr A.H is a legend
@Bush: interesting that you claim
Toppy did those things, that is in your head. Toppy is a man or morals & substance and making allegations like that is disgusting. He would never manipulate the system. Like with all schools they had pluggers and kids kept back, but they were minority. There certainly nowhere near as many as doing post matric. My dad’s famous story was that of Mike Barker who played 1st team for 4 years…
@Grasshopper: @Bush: That’s amazing! Not the first nor the last, ask the 2007 House side about their final game against an average College side, or the monster 99 side against Kearsney, after Hilton had refused to play the second game against us. Or ask @Bush about the House side playing against the Mauritius and Reunion men’s side in 91…
@McCulleys Workshop: In Hoppers head they won. GW have never had the equivalent players to the Post Matrics. MR A.H bought players from all over like crazy, kept players back in certain standards etc, etc, etc. It’s like kicking the same dog every time (Where is Boerboel) In any event if they still had Post Matric, I would allow my son to do it. It’s was a wonderful year of Bridging the gap. The way things are at the Varsities and no Weermag.
@McCulleys Workshop: that 93 side was the weakest & smallest in the schools history, our locks were barely 6 foot. Collins and co dwarfed our team, but like mongrels these Glenwood boys held off the House behemoths. Barry Clarkson at No8 was immense, cutting House runners down. We had an injury to Sampaio at tight head and on ran Barrett Pardey the under15a loose-head. There was a 4 year age gap and he held his own on the wrong side of the scrum, in fact he gave Collins a working. Just loved it, a Midlands post matrics seeing their asses by kids. I think we lost in the last minute to a wing break away try the length of the field. This is where and when we started the burn down the House warcry.
@McCulleys Workshop: Ja, they were so pissed off. They called us the Balgowan U20 side. But they never fielded overaged players. They were the innocent school in those days. Today things are different maybe they learnt from Balgowan Tech
@Playa: nope, No8 but I did play lock a few games when there were no locks. My big mate on the left was our Bakkies lock, at 199cm and about 165kg he is a big boy. He has to buy stuff in that Kobus Wiese shop….
@Speartackle: not sure about that, I watched the under16a side and it looked pretty good to me. Add PJ No8 and a couple of others, will be very competitive…
That would be interesting.Tell your boys to show some mercy.I will be at KERF next year.I have some making up to do with Gungets and GreenBlooded for being AWOL
@Speartackle: There is. He completed his studies at KES in 2014. However, although he is a very talented cricketer, he prefers rugby I think.
By the way, why is the photo of you in 1024 on AndreT’s facebook page? I’m sure that there is a reaoable explanation, as only the most heartless and cynical man, would say that you are the same person. 8)
@Speartackle: Jip..as die Ozzies hulle twee voorste boulers by die huis wil los moet hulle maar die pak vat soos dit kom. Ons gaan dalk weer sukkel in Aus, maar die hoop beskaam nie…meantime is daar nog n Waugh op die horison wat ons sake in die toekoms dalk weer kan bemoeilik..Steve se seun Austin is n 16 jarige NSW bat wat die wereld aan die brand kolf in Aus se 0/17 liga. Het alreeds vir Aus se 0/17 span gespeel as 15 jarige en blykbaar net so hard soos pappa!..Gee nog so 4/5 jaar en daar gaan weer n Waugh wees wat ons kan laat klippe kou!
@BoishaaiPa: Ag wat kom ons geniet maar die onverwagse oorwinnings oor die Aussies. Met die opkomende reeks in Aus gaan ons weer erg depro raak as hulle in n 5 dag teen 4.5 bat en die games binne 3 dae verby is.
Ek wonder net watter haarstyl gaan Steyntjie daar tentoonstel om gekamoufleer te lyk want sy nommer het hulle. Beslis nie die huidige Hitler styl nie.
Fact of the matter is that Aus chose not to bring Stark and Hazlewood and gave them a rest after the Sri Lanka series. Watson and Maxwell have been dropped from their ODI squad. Injuries to Faulkner, Pattinson, Coulter-Nile and Cummings while only two of these would probably play at any given time if all fit and available. SA missing De Villiers and Morkel due to injuries and Amla in the first two ODI’s. So two of the best batsmen in world cricket vs two of the best bowlers missing..Evens up the score a bit I think. Both sides not at full strength while SA perhaps slightly less affected, but AB is a huge loss in any team..,worth more than two bowlers in my opinion!
@Speartackle: Shane Watson, Maxwell- they have several injuries. To their credit, they are not saying it, Steyn , at the moment, looks like the worst quota in the team.
@McCulleys Workshop: Ok thanks. I believe that my mates will be going to a place called The George in Umhlanga. If that is kak, I’ll try to convince them to move to 14 on Chartwell.
@GreenBlooded: Good question, but I did not book the hotel rooms, so can’t be blamed this time. Perhaps it’s because Umhlanga was so popular when we were lighties. The beach is much worse these days, but it is nevertheless close to the airport and some good night sports, and has great hotels like the Oyster Box. I hasten to add that we won’t be staying in the latter on this trip.
P.S. Umhlanga is also pretty close to the cricket, football and rugby stadiums.
@BOG: Yes thanks Boggie for joining me last night….like we discussed last night I think the Aussies miss Starc a lot and maybe Hazlewood to a lesser degree.
Look I can’t stand that Warner outjie, he must be the ugliest Aussie since Kurtley Beale, but he can play…..he made Steyn look like a slow right arm.
I think we also have one of the worst attacks since Corrie v Zyl &Co……
@Speartackle: Sorry, not guilty. Im selling Banting products, if those two gentlemen in the photo, might be interested. They look like good candidates. Much excitement, but sorry to be a damp squib, but that must be the weakest Ozzie bowling attack, ever to visit our shores. But they did say that their 5 frontline bowlers are not on tour- BEFORE they came
@GreenBlooded: Morning, Spear gets out of hand when he’s had a few cool drinks. Just look at the pictures. Its starts off like a butterfly landing on a flower and ends up like a Bull Dog mauling a bone. It was safer for me to stay at home. What a game I missed.
@Bwana: Hopper tends to forget that Cricket and Rugby are teams sports. The entire SA team stood up to the plate yesterday not just two individuals. The foundations were cemented up front and the building was completed by Miller and Phehlukwayo. It was an amazing game of cricket, once again our beautiful country was United as One.
@Grasshopper: Well I lost all respect when you let out your inner racist. All I did was state the facts and as a scientist myself facts are critical. He edged behind. Miller as the senior partner would have guided him through the innings and ensured the team got over the line. Nowhere did I say Phehlukwayo, who did do well, was bad.
@Bwana: that is the lowest blow of them all to a young kid starting out in cricket, lost all respect. Next thing you going to say his 4 wickets the other night were all lucky….
@McCulleys Workshop: stop using childish ridicule and I would respect you more. You were once a really good blogger with some great thought & contributions, but unfortunately the likes of Bush, Bonthuis, Boerboel and others have brought you down to their level over time. Also sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, everyone knows altitude plays s factor in sports performance, if you don’t then you denying scientific fact.
@Grasshopper: Hopper, I’m sure you are a really successful guy, and write well at altitude, however I didn’t ask if you were a MANAGER of a TEAM, I still have space for that therapy session.
@Grasshopper: More like Miller taking us home and ensuring/guiding Phehlukwayo so he did not lose his head. Lucky not to have been out first ball after a blatant edge behind to the keeper.
@GreenBlooded: exactly! Phehlukwayo and Miller taking us home, what school they went to irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things. I think in Quinny, Bavuma, Andile & Kagiso SA’s cricket future is in good hands. Throw in older guys like Miller & Rillee to provide the experience. You see 3 non whites in the side on merit without quotas!
@Gungets Tuft: yes some go back home, BE not right for them, happens everywhere. Glenwood lost a few end of 2015 hence under15’s battling a bit this year. But those boys left behind will gel better now in adverse conditions and only be better for it. Steve La Marque coached them this year and said they are a talented bunch who will only get better.
@Vleis:
What is it with you Vaalies and your obsession with Umhlanga? Whenever I have clients come down they always stay in Umhlanga. If we are working in Toti, Pinetown, Hillcrest, Maritzburg- they stay in Umhlanga. And battle that morning and afternoon traffic in and out. There must be someone up in Jozi doing a superb marketing job.
@Playa:
Did you see that fine display last night – a College boy and a Glenwood boy seeing us home on KZN soil against the Shackle Draggers? Couldn’t be prouder. That embodies the rapport between the schools far more than the endless bickering, finger pointing and “I’m better than you” BS that goes on here.
@Grasshopper: With regards to the “buying”, it doesn’t just happen in grades 10, 11, 12 but at grade 8 as well. Now I know all is fair in love and rugby, but there’s a limit surely. Whe just 1 of your U14A side is from in-province there’s always going to be an eyebrow twitching somewhere. For a clue, check how many of your U14A and B boys are still at Glenwood. I’m lead to believe the number that have left is quite high, a sort of change of circumstance since about October of 2014.
@Playa: this buying glut everyone talks about is complete rubbish. It happened for about 2 years when Glenwood brought in players like Marne Coetzee, Warren Potgieter and that kid from the Cape for 1 game. It hasn’t happened on the scale people talk about here. Weideman & Smit were imports and Bossr for 1 season. Maybe a couple of others. All of Glenwood’s SA Schools players in the past 3 years have been at the school since grade 8. So if there are kids coming in they helping depth rather than being stars. I think the haters on here need some perspective.
@McCulleys Workshop: never had a Beano mag, only got my yearbooks & have one spreadsheet of Glenwood results given to me by Jordan (aka Oros the schools historian). Milk is for coffee and I manage a team of sales people in Digital media measurement & programmatic advertising, certainly no techie geek.
@Grasshopper: @Bush: Ya, my point Bush. And FYI Hopper, I don’t think any blame Glenwood, nor its pupils, parents or OB’s for Tom or TK. Neither should you, its no reflection on you. I have a couch, but charge R2,500 an hr, we can exorcise that overt attachment. Bring your Beano mags, school annuals and XL spreadsheets from next to your bed and we can burn those symbolically. Don’t forget the glass of milk.
@Grasshopper: Were GW the only team to be unbeaten at Michaelmas. If you referring to Mr Chetty as been the new coach, he’s been the cricket guru at GW for years. Not like he’s just arrived at GW.
@McCulleys-I’ve never been embarrassed by GW beating House and never looked for excuses. Even this years loss, we will be back.
@McCulleys Workshop: yes I was embarrassed & disappointed by TK & Tom, a few others there now too. I never once said my House & Hilton friends were official spokesman, not sure where you got that from. To avoid playing a traditional rival of 90 years plus for being too professional is pathetic. It’s 15 humans vs 15 humans, not robots. Glenwood take beatings from Affies & Grey Bloem every year, they don’t shy away from those games. They testing so good for growth & experience
@Grasshopper: Don’t confuse things, which you like to do. You were not talking about Cameron, you were talking about Old Boys who are 1. official spokesmen for their schools views 2. Know what their schools views are 3. They are embarrassed by their schools stance.
I don’t know any House or Hilton OB who is embarrassed. I do know many who are disappointed that we are not playing GW next year.
@coach: Why would you assume that College have bailed on the return fixture? Are you privy to some information we don’t have?
The last few years have seen scheduling issues in KZN where space could not be found for fixtures in KZN. College will always find a spot to play the other KZN schools at least once, sometimes even that’s not possible.
As it turns out Glenwood only had a spot for the return on week 4 of the third term, that’s when College play the Skonk 7’s. I expect you’ll understand why the Skonk might take preference …
Next year might not be the worst time to play Glenwood, rugby and hockey, given that they will have new coaches at 1st team…
@McCulleys Workshop: they are not official spokesman but both played 1st team rugby in the 90’s and know of many guys in their years that had that attitude towards Glenwood and other gov schools…….
@McCulleys Workshop: right or wrong, did Hilton poach two prominent players and captains from Glenwood at under16 level? True or false, did they poach a Westville scrum half?
@Grasshopper: Ok – so House and Hilton old boys who are now official spokesmen for their schools, are embarrassed by the current stance of House and Hilton towards Glenwood and they have told you : “It’s a fact that House and Hilton don’t like the fact that they are being beaten by a school they always thought they were superior to”.
@Bush: nothing against private schools at all, I have quite a few silver spooner mates. Gary Teichmann, Wayne Fyvie & Hentie Maartens must be embarrassed by the boycott. Surely John Allan & Teich could work something out…
@Grasshopper: I have no idea why you have a thing towards Private Schools. I can assure you they couldn’t care a less wether they play GW or not. I think they look forward to the trip down to Umbilo. It’s a jungle on route through Umbilo to GW and I’m sure quite educational.
@Grasshopper: I’m not sure who spoke for House, but I’ve heard nothing from them. You tapping into your best friend from Westville’s cousins sister at Kingsmead again?
@Playa: post matric lasted for many years in different disguises and levels, starting in the 70’s according to my uncle. It was a huge advantage to the schools that had it. Yes, the gov schools had the occasional plugger who played and were 19 or 20, but not a dedicated group of sportsman. Glenwood admittedly made a few mistakes with Tom & Marne Coetzee, which people now paint the school with. The school recruits fairly & squarely at grade 8 level, nothing wrong with that. Anyway, we have gone around this topic a million times. The fact is House & Hilton don’t like the fact that they are being beaten by a school they always thought they were superior too….
@Grasshopper: Mate, word of advice from a lightie…let that whole post matrics thing go. Don’t bring it up every time the issue of teams avoiding GW comes up. It was dealt with when it got out of hand, and it’s over. Drumming it up to prove a point will not resolve the current situation. Rather see it as an opportunity for schools (including those that claim to be innocent of being professional) to do some introspection and see how that PM lesson can be used in resolving current issues. Huge ask as it will take some humility from all parties involved
@star: that massive 70kg wing Tom, gosh scary stuff. What about Payi from DHS, his good mate? That was the tip of the iceberg, other schools were scrambling about for weeks doing checks and hiding certain players in lower teams or they suddenly moved to tech or left school….people love to bring up Tom-gate but he & Glenwood were the scapegoat. Funny when people or organizations are successful they dig deep to find mistakes or faults. If Glenwood were losing they could field 15 overaged players and no one would care. Northwood buy half a side, no issues. Double standards deluxe!
@Grasshopper: How many were repeats from other schools or repeated at lower level???? Hopper, please don’t play the dumb card. I’ve been over this a thousand times.
Everyone cried hard about Post Matrics, whereas various schools were doing the same thing. To be honest GW were the biggest cry babies. I suppose Siya did Standard 5 twice giving him a Matric.
@Playa: Westville actually beat GW with Tom as captain.Do we get bonus points then?
@Grassy- Smit was with my son in grade 11 at Westville. That year he actually played against GW at 1st team level. I am not sure where you get your facts from but ‘cry wolf’ and issues of credibility come to mind.
@Grasshopper: Careful Grassy…you know how this story ends…then someone will say “well we never complained when we took hidings from Siya Tom for all those years”…and then things start to get really embarrassing.
@GreenBlooded: Does a tow truck count as a car? Bush has been putting his tow truck on the table week in and week out, he’s may have rolled it once or twice. He was so excited about Glenwood that he went and donated his Toyota to the school! Now that’s putting your money where your mouth is:
@Bwana: most of the College & Kearsney OB’s I know love the Glenwood fixture as its testing. Games are normally played in good spirit and clean. In fact, they say Glenwood boys are some of the best behaved. Schools pulling out of fixtures are obviously tired of losing.
@GreenBlooded: exactly, Glenwood took beatings from post Matric laden Private school teams for years, no complaint. Reverse it, they go running like a dog with its tail between its legs. Hilton’s excuse was Glenwood was too professional, then they hire the most expensive professional coach in the province. If they want only winning teams then they need to stick to playing Wartburg, Voortrekker, Kloof etc. There was not one player at Glenwood who joined after grade 10. Kevin Smit was late grade 10.
@coach: there wasn’t always a double header vs College, in the 90’s Glenwood were too weak. I think it only resumed around 2004, need to check results to confirm. There was always a double header vs DHS, but that is now only once a year.
@coach:
Far as I know, it’s only the ladies from Hilton who don’t want to play us. To their credit – at least they came out and said it. If other schools don’t want to play us for whatever reason they should lay their cars on the table and say so and say why like Hilton did.
If it’s due to the string of defeats then it’s a poor reason to pull out. Glenwood took it from College year in and year out when I was at school and we never ran away. I very much doubt that’s the case anyway – just a figment of your imagination. College are too proud for that. Besides – their best matches are always against GW.
What exactly is the issue anyway? Imports? All 1st team players this year were there from Gr10 I think?
@Bwana: They should be fresh for each game given that they only play once every 3 weeks. They seem to have lost a lot of friends in KZN. Any idea why nobody wants to play them.College vs Glenwood has been a twice a season fixture since day dot so it seems sad that College have baled from a double header next season in favour of a yet another long distance trip to Gauteng. Seems ridiculous to spend parents money traveling when be has traditional competitive fixtures right on ones doorstep. Maybe the extended string of victories by Glenwood over College could be the real reason? In any event is looks to be a very sad situation that schools who have such wonderful history together cannot find common ground to play.
@Grasshopper: Umbiloburger is the coach, his good wife the manager and his son the referee of the SA Schools touring team to NZ at year end. Does it surprise you that only 3 GHS boys in the team. That’s one helluva selection panel!!
@Vleis: Howzit Vleis, I’ll be in the village, happy to catch up, may be a little far for Bush, Buddy, Mr T, Big Easy and Spear, and I don think Tighty Whitey can make it out the laager. 14 on Chartwell will be entertaining on a Friday. Beet has my details.
Where are all you Banana Boys going to be on Friday night? I arrive at about 8pm and then join my East Rand mates (almost as bad as the W Rand okes), but will try to convince them to join you guys if you are nearby. I’m not sure where we will be, but probably near Umhlanga, as that is where we’re staying.
@GreenBlooded: Hope his behaviour is not bad at all; must say I have never heard anything about it though either good or bad, however one thing he will soon realise is the world is less forgiving of bad behaviour when you in black and white than in Red, I am fan of his rugby philosophy and truly hope he is success at Jeppe. It is great news his addition to the staff there.
@Playa: Nah they can keep their players we have a very decent u16 group from this year and the second team which was made up mainly of Gr 11s this year was not half bad we should be fine. Although he may not even be involved with open rugby out respect to our friends from upper Yoeville
@McCulleys Workshop: haha! With St Johns coming 4th the tourno was of a high standard. It’s a bit like 7’s shortened chukkas. Watch out for a kid named Dylan Cronje, international standard…
Glenwood into SACS final vs Rondebosch with nail biting extra time win over St Johns, 7-6. Having just lost to Clifton in the proper length water tourno, the boys will go out hard. Glenwood, not just a rugby wannabe school…
@Roger: Wow if that is true, we will welcome him with open arms. Lots of love kisses from all. The man is a magician and what he has done at the Kes in the past decade has been incredible. Hope his new venture is just as successful if not more spectacular.
See old Bog more proof that rugby witchcraft does work
@Speartackle: Id like to see you go around a course in KZN -anyone , in 2 1/2 hours in January/February. Unless of course you hydrate for six hours after that at the 19TH.
@McCulleys Workshop: very clever! It is but needed in certain cases eg an idiot talking kak. I got clipped around the ear from my dad when doing something wrong & caned at school, didn’t do me any harm. There are different levels of violence, a tighty is not quite a full beating. Anyway, the amount of drivel on this thread isn’t worth my time.
I see the Glenwood boykie got clobbered by Aron Finch for 16 in his 1st over…..Aussies on their way to making 500…….Wonder what BOG has to say about that??
@Bush: We are tough Irish people we don’t particularly like silverspooners, they have got everything on a plate. It showed in my first year at Varsity where the silverspooners battled…
@Grasshopper: Whahaha, I’m such a nice guy, she will learn to love me and my beard. Anyway I’m from a silver spoon family. Something to make you a proud brother-in-law. Brother Hopper whahahahahah
Spear thanks for the well written First Edition of “South Coast Diaries”. Hopper why do you have to go and spoil things. I can also swim and hold my breath for long periods. Therefore NZ is not too FAR. When you chat again please send my love❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Speartackle: Sounded very cosy, a bit of a bromance building. Unfortunately for Bush my sister lives in New Zealand, so it must be all in his dreams. I’m sure you guys loved cursing Bog and I for the bringing back down to earth we provide this blog. Too be honest I’m not too concerned by being ridiculed, I know who I am. Oh in finishing, just an FYI for Bushy boy, Glenwood isn’t just a rugga school, KZN representation in 28 sports nogal; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/2016%20SA%20Awards%20ALL%20%284%29.pdf
Yesterday was such a glorious day that I decided to cancel some appointments and made my way to Umkomaas a bit earlier where I found Bush already waiting in the golf cart on the 1st tee. We couldn’t wait any longer for The Big Easy and Timmy to join us so we teed up and started our round. Bush started with back to back blackouts as he bombed his first 2 drives way right into the houses but later came back with a few pars and even a birdie. I was Steady Eddie down the fairways but my short game deserted me on this beautiful scenic lay out. I must add that a lot of words starting with f and ending with k and c ending with t were uttered and sometimes even a combination of the 2 as we were slugging it out around the park looking for balls.
We finished 18 holes within 2 and a half hours as there were no one else on the course except for 3 policemen who let us through after 9. We then proceeded to the 19th with the most glorious view over the 1st and 18th fairways and Aliwal Shoal to our left. We started with some nice draughts but Bush struggled to get the foam off his well manicured beard and decided to switch to something harder. Buddy joined us shortly afterwards and we discussed some very interesting things which included Grasshopper and BOG. They have a lovely system there where we could order the liquids via an intercom and the baarmoeder was running up and down to the deck non stop. I could sense a repeat of last Friday night when I got completely inebriated and suggested that we’d go for a meal at a local pub. Bush had raw linefish and I had Schnitzel and Buddy chose to only drink as the doubles kept coming and I couldn’t keep it up anymore with these okes. Bush kept on talking about Hopper’s sister all day which charged me up a lot and since I heard that Umkomaas is actually well known for swingers parties , I started asking the females in the pub where we could find these parties. They told us it’s only Friday nights but us 3 okes looked so daring that they are willing to pretend it is Friday. I must take my hat off to Bush there as he stepped in and calmed the situation and we did the right thing and returned home to our beloved ones.
That was a good decision as I’m feeling not too bad today even though it is very cloudy and a Segdewick’s day.
Thanks to Bush & Buddy and even to Hopper and BOG for making it a special day on the South Coast. I can’t wait for 17 October as we’ll be heading down to the Wild Coast for the Sharks Golf Day…….thay is going to be massive
Rare to see bloggers actually meet up, well done guys. Bush looks like Kingsley Holgate cross Father Christmas, or is he just a Voortrekker. Spear & Buddy just look like the average Ballie down South Coast way.
@Bush: Yip, Im sitting with over due electricity bills, so it required drastic measures. In the meantime, I found this ( very good) article by Tank Lanning. Was he speaking about rugby? Or was it morality and integrity? Not “shutting up”, when speaking out is required. http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/TankLanning/experts-in-foot-shooting-20160929
@BOG: In that exact order. Jis BOG the Umkomaas Beach Front looked Lekker this afternoon. Swear there was a Mermaid dancing on Aliwal Shoal. We are such spoilt brats here in SA, until about 5:30. How was your dive today? Or were you counting your cash from yesterday’s heist????
And all of a sudden there is sunshine and time for golf today. What the buffer let me go and tonk those balls all over Umkomaas. I hope Bush will organise a few spotters as those fairways are narrow with lots of boomslang in those Bushes.
I hope Skoppies and Buddy will join us later and maybe Hooit and RnR
Well they have plundered the government accounts, the fiscis.Its empty- bankrupt and to maintain the lifestyle which they have become accustomed to, they need to look for other sources of income. Military weapons used, which can be bought for a few bucks or probably current members. No respect for the law and understandably so. Sad- Weep the Beloved Country ( Sequal to Cry—)Unfortunately not associates of mine, but I cannot speak for the others. I know that Spear has n “voorlaaier”, but according to the report, only R5s and AKs were used.
@Playa: The Story for the South Coast Newspaper 1st Edition is to read something like this: BOG Stream Troll found floating with its ass up in Umkomaas.
@Speartackle: Ill need some help, please. Something along the following lines. When Joe Slovo, “min of housing” died, an Afrikaans gatkruiper stood up at his funeral and said the following “Hier le Joe, arms gevou— En fokkol huise gebou”. Miskien,iets soos “Hier le Bush, sonder n p— en “Here lies Player, a well known soothsayer, about to embark on a witchcraft —???
Back to the basis of the the thread which was about a group of old ballies having a luncheon and giving an award to the top team in KZN before they all fall down. Surely this blog can do a similar thing which I am sure despite the presence of BOG and AT , will have a lot more credibility. We will be able to tap into outside specialists like BoishaaiPa, Playa and ou Ploegie. Greenblooded will be able to ensure that the rules are followed even if it means giving the new recruit Spear the yellow card. Gungets will present the statistical data. This can all happen at the Thirsty Whale in Toti with Bush as presiding officer. Even grassy may make a guest appearamce ( provided of course he knows that GW have it in the bag) Let us not talk about the perceived injustice but take it out.
@Bush: My wife just called and told me that the old Merc ran like a cheetah to the Midlands today when she went to visit her sister. Much to her surprise she saw a Toyota mini bus branded Menlopark Hoërskool on Curries Post rd.
Just check if Michael House still got all their coaches boet….
@Bush…your kung-fu is no good!!!
One’s mission is only as good as your intel.
What happened to you friday?
I bet you Spear went for a run saterday morning, probably why he didnt answer
So is the the beer cold there in Umkomaas?
You must watch the okes launching dive boats out of the Umkomaas river mouth – rated as one of the more hectic launch sites on the KZN coast. A few amateurs have lost it and a boat full of dive gear. There is a saying amongst boat skippers there: See your arse at Umkomaas. There are a few legends there: Swinny, Meatball, Reon and Juan are the ou manne amoung the dive boat skippers.
@Skopgraaf243: Don’t say never. What happened to you and Spear. I tried to phone Spear Saturday morning,Grunter were thick here at the Umkomaas river mouth. I heard you two were into your own Grunters at Thirsty Whale Friday evening. I’ve seen the CCTV footage Lekker catch.
@BOG: I once went Great White Cage diving at Gansbaai. This lady from the US of A freaked out and once you in the cage they won’t let you out. Been the gentleman I am, I calmed her down and she then enjoyed the dive and spent a kuk house full of US Dollars. Which create a positive growth???? in Gaansbaai for the day. I will hold onto your back while dive, we can share the same buddy tank????
@Buddy: The only diving I do is ……… I leave it at that. Otherwise I will be called disgusting and the racist will come out firing. As the only mermaid I will swim with is not Darryl Hannah????
I believe, in an effort to level the playing field, the ABs have agreed to play against the Lame Boks with their boot laces tied together. But with Mbalula as their secret weapon,and chief destroyer, the outcome would still be in doubt. Maybe allow all 23 Boks on the field at once?
@Andre T: I have been trying to convince him and Player to come and dive with me at the Aliwal Shoal, around dusk when the water is nice and “Gingery beer”, in colour after a strong Westerly, for the ultimate experience in seeing the Tigers in a feeding frenzy. They might assume that I have sinister motives but I have no idea why they would think that. I have even suggested that they pee in their wet suits and tie a nice bloody piece of meat and dead fish to their weight belts to guarantee an “unforgettable” experience.
@Speartackle: Was that you on Ispingo Beach. Flip there was quite a commotion there. Seagulls and all diving in there. I check you can gooi a lekker leg spin, just like your stories. Spear the Spin Doctor
@Buddy: No ou Buddy, you might walk out of there but I’ll bet you a tiger shark it won’t be with a smile. BOG and I’ll also be there…..BOG will have the ‘I told you so’ face…..I also got myself a R 900 ticket…..they were giving it away yesterday at Blue Lagoon and Isipingo Beach
@hopper What is the absolute latest update on the TK saga, and wasn’t his sidekick TP meant to have departed for the UAE? Heard he baled on that project and is still at GHS….is that true. Who is steering the ship there….umbiloburger perhaps and who else. Are they charging to get into water polo and cricket now to try and recoup some of those lost funds by any chance?
Dealing with the “situation” in SA, here, particularly in the area of social injustice in sport, humour, or at least an attempt at it, is one way of coming to grips with it. Others would say that making fun out of evil, is just another form of condoning it.@Bush: I have tried- tirelessly and obviously without success, to explain that there must be an underlying reason for being “positive” or “negative”. A medical doctor does not just guess when making a diagnosis. The same applies to an economist or a weatherman, when they make economic predictions or give us a weather report. They look at the prevailing INDICATORS. Politics is no exception. To be “positive” ( or negative )while the indicators show otherwise, is irrational and you are in DENIAL. You cannot deal with the problems, unless you recognize them. And that is the gist of many of our problems in SA, including sport.
@Playa: I’d offer to post it but I reckon the Oom pays as much attention to me as he does you. I reckon he’s got twin dolls that he sticks pins into at night, hoping
Tjaaarsis, I hope nobodies taking me seriously esor, they’d not understand what a crotchety old fart I am. Regte verkrampte ou bliksem
@BOG: I have no problem with your views….much as I disagree with most.It’s your intolerance that irks me.I’m not on this blog to have my views as be all and all.I have learned a thing or two from views different to mine.I’m not here to change the world
Anyone willing to copy and paste this on my behalf,seeing as Oom won’t ready it
I’m watching NRC rugby on TV. The lady ref looks like the same person that ran the touch line GC vs PRG. She’s hot. Flip those stadiums are packed much like the SA stadiums. I wonder if it’s because of their Government? Or quotas?
@Bush: You are clearly sick and need some counselling. It explains why you would admire the deployed cadre. Cut down on the drinking and you may start talking sense occasionally and remember that everything you perceive in your head, especially when you have obviously been drinking,is not necessarily reality. Thats why you need help. And if you continue in this vain, you will leave me no alternative but to drop to your level and respond with two brief words, the first having a sexual connotation.
@BOG: I don’t say things to impress people,(I can’t I’m to stupid and I’m a troll) unlike you. Hopper has a hot sister and any man would chase his sister. I have stopped reading your kuk. As its just negative, of which you think is impressive. I think I’m going to start another fire. I wonder what I could burn, ummmmmm something Grey. Now piss off and go have another brandy and 500ml Coke. Actual go and join Mike Smiths Blog that where you belong. You just behind Hopper.
The only reason you don’t read Playa’s response is because he chows you and he’s ummmmmmm, from Dale.
Let’s see how true you are to your word, don’t respond to this. Go milk your Bull or roll polony with you Buddy Hopper, that’s if you can find your polony.
@Bush: Im leaving you alone. By expressing myself and pointing out the social injustices, including those in sport, its not as if Im targeting you or anyone else for that matter. If you dont want to read what Im saying, simply pass. That is exactly what I do with bloggers like Skopgraaf and Player, who THINK that I (and others) come here, exclusively to be enlightened by their “literary brilliance and insight into rugby and other social issues”. And if you think that everyone is impressed with all the things that you say- now again, about Hoppers sister, you are very mistaken. Im in SA by the way- Im a captive, but that does not stop me from recognizing the realities around me. It also wont stop me from advising every young person to pursue a life abroad. Its not easy-I have lived there myself, and my son lives there (and is happy), and my daughter is following soon. These are the realities of this very tragic country of ours@Speartackle: To your suggestion of starting a “South Coast Blog” (or is it “Slow Coast”), similar to your West Rand blog, would be welcomed by most, on both sides of the fence, so to speak. Maybe Beet can give you a heading. This would sustain this blog throughout the off season, where we can all talk crap, and on the odd occasion, even a little bit of sense. Naturally, it would require a higher level of tolerance and not too rigid parametres.
@Grasshopper: I think you right, but it would because I’m on top of your sister. Hopper I don’t fight, I n_______\. Maybe you fight because you like polony.
@Grasshopper: Last I saw GB’s lightie was still at College…
Hank McGregor won double gold at the world canoe marathon champs in K1 and K2 with Jasper Mocke. Andy Birkett got the silver in the K1 for a South African 1/2. Andy and Louis Hattingh got bronze in the K2. Jenna Ward and Kyeta Purchase got silver in the women’s K2. Surrounded by good news, but none of it dropped on forums??
@Gungets Tuft: you can tell a lot about a person from the friends they keep. I did mention yesterday the great news that there won’t be interest rate hikes for a few months & growth predictions have increased slightly. Awesome stuff! Oh yes, a young girl from St Francis is a World Champ in lifesaving! And I’m sure our good blogging friend Greenblooded’s lighty is doing well at Clifton & an Acting prefect, awesome stuff! Lots to be thankful for…..ah all our stuff from SA arrived today, 8 weeks from door to door….it’s Christmas in our household!
@Grasshopper: Buddy, never, not once, have a criticized you for leaving. I said you’ve fallen into the expat trap of leaving but staying glued to the bad news from South Africa for whatever reason. You don’t move forward by staring in the rear view mirror. You want a future for your kids (don’t we all) but you’re dwelling in the past.
I’m not blind to the faults of South Africa, I’m just saying that you should be open to the good positive news from here as well.
And if you respect opinions only because we have common friends, I’d stop and reconsider. The discussions I have with those common friends are a million miles from your point of view. P & C are the most positive people I’ve ever met.
Mr. Hopper may not have distinguished himself with what I considered an obvious faux pass (meaning is defined by intent and context), but the disgusting hyena mentality that subsequently prevailed has certainly not covered many of the perceived esteemed bloggers in glory either.
The function of the blog is to provide a platform for a common interest, in most cases the only interest many of us have in common, so if you veer into muddy waters, like politics, I can guarantee it will get messy, if considering the many diverse backgrounds and cultures in play.
It may be stale, but prevention is better than cure, so let’s try to keep to the program.
@Speartackle: Hahahahahaha! Classic!!!!
In future, please post a week in the life of Spear every Friday…it would be great therapy for having to put up with BOG throughout the week.
@Grasshopper: I think everyone here respects your decision. It’s what you deem best for your family. All of us here have families. Where you invite flack is when you start on stuff you think the rest of us are not aware of (or are ignoring) and try to belittle our reasons for sticking it out in SA. The head in the sand phrase you and BOG so love to remind us of. Bush is then within his rights to call you a traitor and a coward. Bush was actually one of the first people to wish you well when you announced you resignation from SA Corp. We don’t have to like your decision, but we have to respect it. You don’t have to like ours, but please grant us the same respect we grant you.
When I was your age I worked my backside off to provide a decent life for him. His mom dropped him off at my place when he was 9 years old and went to live on an island. I worked so hard that I missed most of his school life. He was a brilliant sportsman and I supported him all the way. He won big tournaments and was one of the best juniors in the country. In his matric year I made some bad business decisions and we lost everything. His dreams of turning professional were shattered and now works in a pro shop and occasionally caddies on the Sunshine Tour.
Now I often sit and wonder if it was all worth it working so hard to provide. Maybe I should have spent more time with him instead of chasing wealth. Most of his old golfing buddies are already playing overseas and doing well on the local circuit and I’m sitting with the guilt.
@Grasshopper: It is solely used in a racist way, you are making this worse for yourself Alan Sparrow. Surely as a so-called educated South African you should have known its racial undertones. Unless you had your head in the sand pre-1994. As my fellow OC Gungets has said, best you just quit whilst you are ahead. You are, in your own words, a dumbass. It would seem that you are not ignorant but just dumb. Intelligence is not solely measured by your Economics degree.
@Speartackle: yep, it’s sounds great. Just like my parents in law in St Francis Bay living in their bubble. Day starts with a walk or paddle, then shops for food & dop, then lunch on the balcony, walk on the beach & then time to get vrot. Every day like Groundhog Day. The difference is stage of life, at 60 plus it can become I did this and I did that, like you say. You can be selfish. But at my stage there is no I, it’s all about the kids & their future. I’ll get to my I stage with time, hopefully not too quickly as I’m enjoying watching the kids grow. Everyone has choices and differing reasons. What irritates me are the ones that judge you for your decisions. They should support your decisions. Old Bush thinks I’m running away to the contrary it’s seeking better equal opportunities for my kids…
Ahoyi this old country of mine has no more hope. We all know it and there is what the buffer we can do about it.
I couldn’t leave the country so I emigrated here to The Republic of Natal. Will spend my last 10 years here sitting on my balcony or at Thirsty Whale watching the dolphins in this magnificent Indian Ocean. In the distance I’ll see freightliners carrying whatever….guns, drugs, who cares
On Monday nights I watch CSI, Tuesday afternoons I play tennis, Wednesdays I play golf and watch Cape Town at 20h50. Thursday night I fondle women at Lords and Legends, inbetween I help Andre T selling a few houses but fortunately I have weekends off
What more do I want? Thursdays in the South Coast Sun I read how many hijackings and assaults there were in Toti and surrounds. Every day between 4 and 6 I see drug deals going down right in front of my unit on the promenade. I see white guys with Cashmere suits pomping prossies on the dunes or in the car park behind me.
It has all become so “usual”….actually boring if 1 day passes without an ‘incident’
So yes my brothers….This is Africa…..and Africa it will always be
It is in our blood …..same with…..You can take me out of the West Rand but you’ll never get the West Rand out of me………….
Lets see what today brings
Maybe I should continue with my West Rand Diary again…..I’ll call it now The South of Durban Diary
@Gungets Tuft: you talk as if I’m a wet behind the ears lighty. I’ve lived in 6 countries & 20 years out of school, im no idiot. I used to respect your opinions knowing you know people I do but I’m starting to doubt them now. I mean a young man & friend of mine killed in cold blood a few weeks ago, the Isandlwana guide, varsity riots etc I mean come on boet, does it have to happen to you or someone close to you to see it. You are lucky your kids are through the education system. Put yourself in my shoes with a 4 & 1 year old. Leaving SA was a huge decision as its my country & I love it BUT things have got out of hand. I lived in the UK 10 years to return to SA for 4 years to see for myself. I’ve seen now and its future looks bleak. Cost of living is out of control. Earning a bar isn’t a enough these days if you want medical aid, life insurance etc which are must haves there with a family. I know some people don’t have options so they will defend SA with all their hearts. All the ‘it’s another Kak day in Africa’ pics on Facebook. But even my hardened devout Saffa friends are considering leaving. Queues of Saffas are applying for jobs here, black & white, so it’s not a race thing. My biggest hope is for the majority to finally have enough and vote DA or another opposition. But realistically that is going to take another 20 years. Can I afford to live through that mess with young kids, no. People with no debt have a chance if they plan properly and I’m guessing that’s you, house almost paid off etc. Zuma has caused enough rubbish, he needs to go. I tried to live with my head in the sand and let it wash over but when close friends and family are hijacked, attacked & robbed it gets too close to home for me. Cry the beloved country….
@BOG: Then just leave us alone. Let us be with our heads in the sand, in Lala-land. Hopper and you have made your choices well done. Leave us stayers alone. I’m happy here in SA, if my kids must leave then they must leave. They have their freedom, freedom of choice. BOG this blogging is getting irritating, one thing that was drummed into me by Afrikaans instructors while in the SADF not the NEW SANDF, was politics, religion and alcohol don’t mix. So rather just stay on the one liter brandy and 500ml buddy. Leave the rest alone.
@Skopgraaf243: Very typical. One of those who think that their crap is more intellectual than the crap of others. One of those who are hyper sensitive to the truth- who prefer the head-in-the-sand position, hoping that no one would remind them of the realities and the truth. Surprize !! There are many who wont and never will stop talking about the social injustices. And that also applies to the injustices in sport/rugby. So, talking about these issues on a rugby blog, is very relevant. Generally, I see that the play school has been on an outing- a free-for-all. Enjoy yourselves. @Grasshopper: I have referred to this article many times, but go and read it again with all the crap that has been said here. Their condition is analyzed perfectly and the best way to respond, is to leave them in their stupor. They have blocked out all realities and no matter what you say. it does not penetrate. The article : why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2010/01/anc-stole-my-dream-why-i-emigrated.html
The well known writer, Al J Venter,originally SA , who has been traveling the world, particularly Africa, visiting hot spots, since the 1960s, summed up Africa, very nicely, with these few words: “With time, Africas eternal shortages, monumental mismanagement, corruption, fierce dissolution and tens of thousands of dying children sort of become repetitive”. The faces change, but the area remains the same. The “opinions” expressed above, however misguided and ill informed, with one or two exceptions, are captured in this article and brief statement. Only the eventual realities, as history has repeatedly shown, will, even might wake them up. So, dont disturb their “peace”- they are in “lala-land”
Seriously, you’re toung enough to claim ignorance, sort of, because a so oke translation would have revealed the difference between calling someone a wooden headed idiot (as described bigots that never made it out of Venterdorp), and a description of somewhat spend 20 minutes moving from translucent to visible from space. Of course the direct translation to English is Redneck, characterized by having no branches on their family tree.
You’re followming a well
Worn path set by expats, doing enough googling to justify a decision to leave . All good, except South Africans mostly just letnitnwash on by.!rightntounare …
@Bwana: As I said I misused the term, I translated it literally as wood head. I saw that clip and thought it meant dumbass. Anyway, take it as you like it….it wasn’t meant in a racist way. I have been blogging for over 5 years and never been racist.
@Grasshopper: But in your ignorant manner you used the term h**top. As I have said that has more baggage and bad connotations than rooinek. As our esteemed Dalian intimated, SA is our valhalla and those of us left here are trying to turn around and make this country fulfil its potential. Best you keep your bigoted racist mouth shut, we do not need your negativity to weigh us down
Grasshopper…I really cant see why you got worked up over being called a rooinek! Atleast its derived from when the British hit the shores of africa their light skin got sunburned under african sun, hence rooinek! Last I checked ur a Brit with ur passport. So where was I wrong?
I even felt bad on your behalf.
On the contrary you went all rogue! Open your bag of sorry’s and move on! I have, put it behind you, and move on! 8)
Jake is on the money, in France with no quotas Ricky Januarie, Guthro Steenkamp and others make the sides. SA doesn’t need quotas. Transformation is killing our sport….
@Playa: I don’t dig it up, it’s in general news and on my Facebook newsfeed. I’m not trying to find bad news. Good news today about Interest rates holding & upping growth expectations. What Bush doesn’t realize is that my blood is green, green for SA and that can never be changed. I love SA and my family are still there so I want it to succeed. But like the Varsity riots I cannot trust the education system will be good when my 4 & 1 year olds reach high school, so it’s better to make the move early for their sake. Do you think I like the weather & travel here, no! But parents do everything for their kids, this is my sacrifice. Bush can call me a traitor, a runner whatever but I will always back Glenwood, the Boks & SA until I die. I made one emotional remark because I was called a rooinek, it was the wrong use of the term and now I’m the baddy. Anyway, Beet and other old timer bloggers who know me and met me know who I am, that is all that counts..
@Playa: With tears in my eyes I sincerely applaud your strength of character and level headedness….. I would have lost my day job months ago if I was involved in some of the conversations you have been in….. then you throw in Latin as well marvelous show off you are…… Well done chap you are top class….. me I am a fan of yours.
And whichever one of our friends is studying that fabled Bsc. Witchcraft do finish I need to consult for next season
On a side note you would think this blog is angry Tinder with some of the antics that carry on here…..
I am off again will be back in month to make in another month to make my one comment a month so that I do not forget my password…. Can I ask a dumb question how does one change their password need to improve the strength of mine seeing how people hack accounts lately.
@Buddy: Please teach the trick of changing your avatar at will need to change mine to a normal Jeppe jersey as I never had the honour of wearing the 1st XV jersey when I was there. I should not give one to myself after school.
@Grasshopper: Thanks for the rare racist remark once again. Hope you sleep Lekker at night and not with one eye open. That been your brown eye. Whatever you post on here is not going to change the way I feel about my country. Get lost you racist.
@Grasshopper: I am sure you have better things to do with your time than to spend it digging up bad news about SA. It’s not your problem anymore, let us who are still here deal with it. Some of us were not born with dual citizenship, so this country is all we have. You chose to move, so do just that. If keeping our heads in the sand is what keeps us going…so be it.
The irony here is how you spend a large part of your time on the blog defending the try line for Glenwood when the haters come launching – even at times when the school is in the wrong. One would think that you of all people would know better. SA is my Glenwood, and not amount of ex-pat hate will change that.
@Playa: all good thanks,will be good to see you.i am following the blog closely but don’t wont to get involved with all this crap.
Biltong will be on the house choem.
@QC86: And here I was trying to protect your identity
How you doing?
I’m going to be in King on the 28th October, I’ll pop into the shop for some biltong and chops…Hope you’ll be around…I promise I wont call you ‘that’, ever!
@Playa: Just stopped on the side of the road for a piss, on my way to Kokstad. Holding my gun in on hand and my firearm in the other. My thoughts are to write this, Playa you a champ. Through out these threads you have been insulted and challenged. Not once have you said or acted untoward. If you are the future of SA then we are in great hands. Stuff the runners and they know who they are. Viva SA Viva Viva Playa Viva????????
@Bwana: Almost there. The reference is to the white foam of the waves – in relation to how white people ended up in Africa – by ship. Umlungu is therefore ‘the man born off the wave’. Because of their skin colour, it made sense to them that they came out of the white foam.
Contrary to belief that it is a racist/derogatory word, black people have grown to use the word to refer to a ‘master’/’boss’. And blacks even refer to other blacks who are doing well financially, as ‘umlungu’. Never in my life have I encountered a person who has used that word to offend – in fact I was hugely surprised when someone on this blog got offended a few years back.
@Bush: Elitist & silverspoonist? Judging people on the school they came from, Schoolist? Everybody makes judgements on people they wish to affiliate themselves with, be it on hobbies, sports, common interests. So maybe we should have hobbiests, sportists, areaist’s….etc etc…..
@Grasshopper: With reference to mlungu, of which I too have been called on numerous occassions, the term does not have the same political and historical baggage as h**tkop. As the Nguni languages (i.e. Xhosa and Zulu as well as Shangaan) are very descriptive languages, it originated as a description of the European settlers. I stand to be corrected but its correct meaning is that of “white froth from the sea”. Interesting but in Zim it is murungu and in Zambia mazungu. Sorry Grasshopper but the weight of history is against you
@Green Mamba: Exactly and if old Bushy boy knew me he would know I’m not a racist. But hey ho, what does his opinion mean in the bigger scheme of things, niks nadda nothing….
@Grasshopper: See you are a racist, you discriminate a person education, their school, their personality, their social being. Face the fact you a racist. I don’t pity you at all. Scumbilo racist. I would never want to get to know you in any event.
@Playa: That old chestnut, why would I lie. I don’t have any close black friends, but my daughter does here in the UK and in SA, her and Yinhla still whatsapp message each other. I don’t care about race, religion etc just about being treated fairly and intelligence. But if the lynch mob want to continue then let them. It’s like the term umlungu, which I know is derogatory and I have been called many times, but it’s water off a ducks back…
@Grasshopper: Just shut up. To get the racist term confused with the afrikaans word for imbecile highlights your lack of intelligence. Just please stop you are making it worse for yourself
@Bush: You’ve never met me, so not sure how you can judge a person like that. What we say on here is banter and said in jest. But if you take what we say on here as reflections or our real selves then I did underestimate your stupidity. I only realised the term was derogatory after I wrote it.
@Bush: It was a misuse of the term, remember I am a rooinek, but hey ho if that is what you think then so be it. Your opinions mean nothing to me. I was meaning to use the Afikaans equivalent of imbecile, cretin or moron. I certainly am not racist at all I just want equality. Quotas = racism, simple as…
@Grasshopper: Well Done Hopper, your true feelings came out. Must be from that great EDUCATION you received from that great school. Mmmmmmmm House 2….3….. Good luck.
@Grasshopper: You cannot equate h**tkop with rooinek especially in the context of the history of this country. No double standards whatsoever. If that is your belief it is probably better for you to stay in the UK.
@Grasshopper: 673 comments:
I haven’t had time to read through all the comments but I have started at the bottom and saw your comments. I suggest you get it deleted. I know who have been called rock spiders in the past but the other word used is in extremely bad taste
“ever heard of a company transfer?” Yes I have! …I suppose the problems of SA edged that decision for you right there!
“Houtkop rock spider!”…I can have you extradited for comments like that, I would watch my back if I was you!
….by the way, I think its called a “Koraal spinnekop”, but you can call me Corporal!
Boggie and his comments on SA and the economy is typical of someone who could not even use his pre 94 advantageous position to find financial wellbeing-he has now given up(20 year old car-slops and 2 pair of jeans) and blames the system for his failures
all he has to hang onto is that he apparently went to gcb
@AbsolutMenlo: Hey Mr Menlo. You must watch out your car will disappear if you chirp these okes. The Trucker and his Evil twin don’t take any kind of crap…..
If they can’t sort out the problem Mr Spear will take you to go and wrestle a Tiger shark while we all enjoy a cold one from the Thirsty Wale’s deck
@Green Mamba: We all know there are problems but this is a School Boy Rugby Blog … do you honestly think the AbsolutPesimist is inspiring our school boys with his constant negative bad attitude…..!? The opposite will make a difference in this great country!
After reading this thread I must admit that I support BOG on this. He sounds well informed and his arguments very conclusive. To all the others – if you wear blinkers, you’ll keep on pulling the cart towards nowhere slowly.
@Speartackle: Yes thank you Spear I didn’t actually want people to know that but since you have been such an inspiration and a marketing wizard,I’ll forgive you.
@GreenBlooded: No Hotties, I suggest you take a drive down to Toti and let Andre T show you a few hot properties. And yes it was a big secret but he has also joined me now down here. I was struggling a bit with my swimming for the World Veteran’s Iron Man competition early next year in Guatamala City and he is helping me a little with the butterfly stroke.
@BOG…new low for you, no supprize here!
…and no my cooler doesn’t have that ruler on the lid, like the one’s in Freestate! Not that you’ d need it, ’cause your compensating clearly shows me I’m dealing with that teeny tiny sindrome!
You see whats happening above, politics, mudslinging, no value conversation s. Normally I would avoid this, but for you I shall make an acception!.
You make reference with your rooinek buddy who also chose to fled cause could’nt make the African cut! Supposedly head in the sand, well pull your finger out your arse and add some value chum! Your armchair ideas, sometimes based on facts and live commentating of bad news and misfortune is uncalled for. Well certainly not for this blog anyway!
Personally I think ur a f….idiot!
@Playa: Im an old dog and knows when support is given, however subtle. And that goes beyond just these comments.@Skopgraaf243: We have to compete with those never ending debates you have in Pretoria about whose is the longest, X,Y or Z?@Gungets Tuft: SA was not rated “Junk” by the 3 international rating agencies, S&P, Fitch and Moodys. The country may have had an unfavourable rating at the time, but it was not “junk”. Had it been so, hardly any investments would have come into the country. International fund managers are prohibited from investing in countries which have a “junk” rating. And really, if you take my comments about Player dancing on desks and throwing stones seriously, you really dont deserve a response. Even he knows that those comments were made in jest and while I know he supports the regime, I also know that he is an upright and law abiding citizen. Its not just RW Johnson. It is almost ALL the credible independent commentators.
@Skopgraaf243: LOL! Optimists have their flaws. I am one of them. Pessimists tend to not admit their flaws because they believe they are right. And it’s ok to generalise – that’s what irks me. But I’ll accept their views as theirs – which irks them as they believe their views should be universal. Tight spot
P.S. Did anyone tell Hopper that inflation is down to 5.9%? I’m not a believer, but I’m led to think that if that figure was 10% and Discovery announced their increase, him and BOG would be popping bottles of Moet right now. Shucks no, what I’ve just said is in support of the current cancerous regime, so let me go to bed before I get the secret service knocking at my door
@Playa…reminds me of the eternal optimist!..thats not you by the way, yet like him, you never disappoint.
Uzokwaziswa supprized kanjani umdwebo okuphumuzayo kungaba!
@BOG: South Africa was rated junk from 1994 till about 1999.
RW Johnson wrote that in June 2015, so we’ve got 8 months to go. Chat in June next year.
I don’t argue with people who ignore the rules of rational debate. Your rule breaks are assumption, generalization (assume Playa is black, therefore he burns libraries) and ad hominem attack. Unless you’re willing to debate properly.
@GreenBlooded: If ever your jersey ended up being an Umtata High jersey…just know who it is
@Buddy: Experience has a part to play, but as a new coach you need to build towards something. Jake’s record was appalling leading up to the 2007 WC for example, but he could explain his way through because he had a vision which succeeded. If Toetie’s role is to build anything, then he needs to let go off some old dogs. Habana will probably retire end of 2016, Strauss (I don’t know why he still picks him) has said he’s done, so why pick them? We need experience that has at least 1 more season in them together with youngsters who have 10 more. Otherwise why do we have an under 21 side? Why have a performing Lions side when we cant pick the 8,9,10,12,13 combination to start for the Boks?Why do we still keep Jesse Kriel away from 15?Those are the questions. Build on that for 2019 Alistair, I dare you.
@BOG: I never did. Quote me on just one occasion where I did? On any thread since I joined this blog 4 years ago. Ask Beet to help you. But heck, you aren’t good at answering questions or providing proof – no point in asking that is there? To your old forgetful self…grow the truck up please.
@Playa: You achieved absolutely nothing. Have you heard the term, self deception? That is part of your problem- you live in a fools paradise. Stop defending an oppressive system, even subtly- it is destroying the country.
@Buddy: Eish…Morne Steyn…it’s my view that it’s time we let go off him. Same with Frans Steyn (from Hopper’s post earlier). I think part of why we struggle with depth is that we tend to hold on for too long to players who may have gone past their prime. Hougie should be ‘benching’ at 9. Yeah Faf has been a bit bitter on the mouth lately, and maybe with Lambie back in the squad, it would be a good idea to start Hougie at 9 and Lambie at 10 to get things going. A player like Hall should be in the set-up somewhere as future 9 because Hougie hasn’t got much time left.
@BOG: You have serious fathoming issues. I hope to never hear ou utter the phrase about “pure proven facts”. I deliberately stayed away from my own opinions today (some of which may surprise you) and you failed, dismally. You conclude by saying I am apologetic of a cancerous system, when I have made no mention of any system, old or new in any post. Good, I am happy to walk away from this – it has achieved what I set out to achieve.
@Playa: Must say that I enjoyed Morne Steyn and he made a difference spreading the ball.Then Hougie in my opinion played a solid game and looked for the extra work on the field. If our couch needs experience perhaps that would bring it to the team at 9 and 10???
@Playa: No, I was talking to someone else when you joined the conversation. And you showed me nothing. In all modesty, as the saying goes- what I have forgotten, you must still learn. Stop being an apologist for a cancerous system which is destroying the country, as we watch running gun battles at Wits. And that concludes my discussion with you.
@BOG: There! My point exactly – I never disputed that the rand has weakened. I am the one who showed you the figures that show that it has. You are the one who has been opinionating all day here. All I did was illustrate (through factual figures) that the decline of the rand began a long time, and was substantial then. I stated a fact of a decline from 74 to 85 – you justify it with an opinion of “it was better then”, and that “2.23 is better that 13.99”.I did not counter that, it may have been better for you, sure…who am I to say it wasn’t? If going from being ‘paid’ by the US to buy a 1974 Ford Cortina to buying one at 1.5 times more in 1985 was better for you – well, as the old Nandos ad goes…You’ve been having it! Good for you.
@Grasshopper: Not just the murder, but the absolute savagery and brutality of it. And that is the pattern.@Speartackle: Ek merk jy verkoop stranderwe by Vrede aan buitelanders.
@Grasshopper: I know of course that the pain is setting in. Much of what is happening in SA, is simply not sustainable, but a deployed cadre is trying to make the hunchback of Notre Dame,look like Cinderella.@Playa: Of course you are spinning- yourself into confusion. Bottom line is this. Back then, the ZAR was substantially stronger against a substantially stronger USD. Today, the ZAR is substantially weaker against a substantially weaker USD. And I do happen to agree with almost all independent economists, inside and outside of SA.
@BOG: Oom, you really need to grow up. And that is said with the most respect. I did not spin anything, I have only stated facts. I have not once tried to defend or attack anything, just provided stats and facts. It is you who is trying to spin facts to fit your own perceptions – that is fine, and as I said…do you boo.
I will not be dragged into the growth discussion – we have had his ad nauseum in the last 2 years – and it is clear that your thick-headedness, gives you the inability to give any bit of thought to anything that disturbs your perception.
I suggest you scrutinise your own advice to @AbsoluteMenlo – I know it’s too much to ask. And with that, I leave this topic.
@Playa: Lets not forget that SAs growth rate in 1965 was 7.9 %. I wonder what it would be “at todays” %? You need to be re-deployed to Gordhams office, for “some magical” spinning.He needs you- desperately.@AbsolutMenlo: What Winston did not take into account, is that there are underlying REASONS for a view. If one is optimistic and contradicted by the realities, one is irrational and not optimistic. And vice versa too, of course.
@BOG: More perspective…I don’t suppose you took the time to calculate that R2.23 in 1985 is worth R28.90 in today’s money…
But hey, all’s well in BOG’s world…excellent…let me not interfere with a ‘head OUT OF the sand’ moment
Unfortunately, all academic activity is suspended at UCT. So we’re dancing in empty lecture theatres.
@Playa: Just hope that you have waited- for maximum effect and disruption, to dance where fellow students are writing tests and not an empty room. And of course with the SABC on standby. Any glass still not broken? Goodness, what would we not give for a 156% depreciation to an exchange rate of $1=R2.23, nogal? Or .87 ZAR to the $ ??
@BOG: Hahahaha! I am stating facts Oom – I thought that was what you prefer dealing with.But ja, I’ve known you long enough to know that the only ‘facts’ you agree with are the ones that support your rhetoric. The rest to you is spin and blah blah blah….back to rugby, I agree
I am halfway through the Jammie stairs, all ready to do my monkey dance on tables.
@BOG: Amazing! You looked past the whole decline and just saw a small number, and your feeling is “What would we not do to have that “chaos” and exchange rates back?”…I think you give your intelligence too much credit.
Some perspective – the Rand was introduced in 1961 at R2 to the pound…as a result it was 0.72 to the $
1961 – 0.72
1974 – 0.87
That is a very good stat!!! People who lived through that are the only ones who can rightly say “What would we not do to have that “chaos” and exchange rates back?”
1974 – 0.87
1985 – 2.23
Depreciation of 156%
This, by any sane man’s standards is trucken kaaak period! But to Bog, this is OK.
1985 – 2.23
1994 – 3.55
1999 – 6.11
Enter Argentinian crisis and World Trade Center bombings
2001 – 13.84
2016 – 13.99 (Yesterday’s close)
15 years…depreciation = 1.08%
Off I go to go register for a BSc in Witchcraft so I can spend my days dancing on desks and throwing stones at the police!!!
@Playa: Im glad that you have taken a break from having fun on some or other campus and dancing on desks. I can only laugh at your comment, “exchange ran to 2.23(from being 0.87 in 1974” and the repo rate “sky rocketed to 20 something”. Further, “the chaos came that was only reversed—” What would we not do to have that “chaos” and exchange rates back? Not to mention the chaos we now have and the destruction along with it. Their decision was purely political and not economic and still, SA was not at “trash” status. Currently, SA is at “Junk” on economic merit and fully justified. I think that you should rather consider drama, rather than a BSc in witchcraft.
@Buddy: Definitely time for Lambie. Jantjies has been disappointing – too many crucial mistakes & he’s playing in a game plan (if you can call it that) that doesn’t suit him. I’d still put him on the bench, and only introduce him if (when) the Boks have a healthy lead and have momentum. We also need a proper 12….I’m thinking Rohan deserves a chance!
@BOG: Not officially (as SA was cut out of anything ‘international’ at the time)…but has experienced the effects of a downgrade…you would remember in 1983, when the government abolished the financial rand exchange rate system and key international banks refused to renew credit lines for South Africa, which forced the temporary closure of the foreign-exchange market in the country. By 1985 the R/$ the exchange ran to 2.23 (from being 0.87 in 1974), and the repo rate sky rocketed to the 20 somethings. You would of course remember the chaos that came with that – and that was only reversed by a change in political outlook – which I think was GT’s point.
@McCulleys Workshop: When the downgrade comes, you will be giving away a lot more than what you anticipate. If Jesus comes, and prophetically, there is not a single reason why He cannot come at any moment, Im ready. Are you and the hyhena barking after you, ready?Or has he enrolled for a BSc in witchcraft yet? He better hurry because as things are going now, there might not be a campus left by next yr.@Gungets Tuft: Im afraid that you have got it wrong. If the country is downgraded, international fund managers, do not have an option, but to protect investors, they are by law, compelled to divest. We will then see the biggest flight of capital that this country has ever seen with all the catastrophic consequences that go with it. The IMF will probably get involved with very bitter medicine and it takes about 11/12 yrs on average to recover, IF the right things are then done, but given the SA “situation” of demands/expectations, that would almost be impossible. SA has never been in a downgrade (to trash). RW Johnson- google him, gives you his reasons why SA has less than 2 yrs(and that was almost a yr ago). Listen to his scenario.
@Gungets Tuft: ever the optimist, glad there are a few out there. Point is raising interest rates does protect the currency. I still don’t see a good future for the universities and a very tough time for semi gov schools…
@BOG: We’ve been at “junk” grade before. It makes borrowing more expensive, ironically it makes us an investment destination for those willing to absorb the risk, and there are plenty of those. Right now the betting is a 30% chance of a downgrade.
@Grasshopper: Reserve bank is not protecting the rand, they’re fighting inflation by raising rates and making borrowing more expensive. You’re right that it hampers growth, but they’re not doing it to protect the rand.
I don’t expect Zuma to make it to the next general election. His support base is being eroded by the day. Just him going will bring the rand back. Did you see what just the SCA ruling on Motsoaneng did in the last few days.
@Grasshopper: I have no financial problems. Everything I had, I gave away and my car is 20 yrs old. I have a few T-shirts, shorts, slops, a pair of long trousers and have never been happier. And what I have, I share with all who need.They expect the downgrade in December. I believe the conditions already warrant a downgrade, but the rating agencies have been sympathetic and have held back on the downgrade. But they are all 3 visiting SA in the next 2 months. If not December, next June. And the average SA has no idea what the catastrophic consequences will be. Ill be happier after my daughter has also left SA next year.
@Playa: Agreed, but a credit downgrade would mean capital flight instead of investment…..fingers crossed the recent local election results help avoid that…
@Grasshopper: An indebted man will be poorer yes.But the unemployed man with a net worth of 0 will have a chance because higher rates attract foreign investment which contribute to growth and job opportunities.Other side of the coin.
@BOG: He is missing the point completely, the point is the Reserve Bank think they clever hiking interest rates to protect the Rand but all it’s doing is making the average man poorer and stunting growth. Once the Nuclear deal goes through and there is a credit downgrade this will go off the scale. You are lucky you probably have your bond & car paid off…
@boerboel: Not lying boet, the interest rates will go up again as the reserve bank try to protect the Rand. I reckon repo will be 10% by the end of 2017. Not forced to emigrate you numskull plonker, it was a choice. In my industry the market in SA is too small, you wouldn’t understand my industry. IP sniffing, easy to do…
My bond increased by R2000 a month in 6 months–another fabrication by the schoolboystalker who was forced to emigrate!!!-interpol probably homing in on his ip adress as we speak
@GreenBlooded: He is sulking, after they laughed at it in Toti. I believe that he now showers in a speedo after a round of golf. So, be careful not to hurt his feelings. Its a sensitive matter for him. He is now known as the “Pecker” from the West Rand.
@Speartackle: The last time we went for a dop, you had some virus from an Umhlanga mommie. Better stick to the Toti babes as you know what you are getting yourself into.
@boerboel: Ou Sonstraaltjie, vra vir die skool wat jy steun. Hulle sal dit vir jou bevestig. Al fabrikasie, is jou verstand. Waarvan, sal ek liefs nie hier se nie.Hulle gebruik dan seker “old boys” as refs in Stellenbosch, Pretoria en die Paarl ook. Miskien moet jy vir hulle se om nie so dom te wees nie. Jy is n skande- vir die mensdom, “a walking violation of humanty”.
@BOG: ja soos almal weet word die grey rekord goed aangehelp deur oldboy refs en coaches wie se girlfriends die lynregters is–korrek deur brendon venter opgesom
@boerboel: “pak kry” elke paar jaar, is goed vir die mens, maar jy en jou maatjies moet maar eerder se hoe dit voel om op n meer gereelde grondlag dit te ervaar. Steeds geen kommentaar oor GCB se weg-oorwinnings nie? Nee wat, jy is seker maar nuut daar waar jy is.
I’m the med-lemon type of guy! My missus makes a lethal hot-toddy – tastes disgusting but works wonders. To this day I don’t know what she puts in it – and I think I’m better off not knowing!
@Grasshopper: Ask him to respond to the away results of GCB, and he is gone like a flash. The jungle has changed , gentlemen. What worked and was reliable last year, may not be so now.
@GreenBlooded: Some people run to their GP at the first sign of a cold, while some just head to their nearest pharmacy and get some Corenza & Med Lemon.
There is heaps of research out there that says that active fund managers do not consistently beat the general market – and one is much better off in low cost index tracking ETF’s. I must admit – I’m very much a disciple of this theory although I will admit I have done my own DD on the process – just believe some of the guru’s I follow.
But you are correct on one thing – the amateur stock market player is just as well off throwing darts at a stock chart that trying to pick the next market beater. As Warren Buffet famously said: The stock market is a mechanism to transfer money from the impatient to the patient!
@GreenBlooded: LOL! There are strong arguments for/against both methods. ETFs track the market – in fact they lag the market because you do pay a fee, albeit far less than what you’d pay a fund manager. Whilst you hire a fund manager to beat the market. Cost sensitive investors are better off in ETFs – but you’d need to be a blerry good asset allocator to beat the market if managing it yourself.
@Bush: My favourite- the term “negative” . Im afraid that there is no room for the term. An opinion, be it optimism or pessimism, must have an underlying REASON. Without that, you are irrational. In the case of SA, there is unfortunately no rational basis for optimism. I also love my country, but Im seeing it deliberately and systematically being destroyed by a ravenous pack of wolves, and the decline of sport, including rugby, is just a by-product of this plunder.@Playa: You are missing the whole point. I have on numerous occasions explained to you, the quota problems outside of WP, SWD, Boland, EP and Border, obviously to no avail. And how does that record look over a slightly longer period? GCB has experienced 2 yr slumps occasionally for more than a hundred yrs. Dont get too excited too soon. And niceties and EC English, does not hide the fact that you are an apologist for the regime. As elsewhere on this continent, you will have to experience to learn. Quota selection? De Jong, Jantjes,Paige— De Allende (not sure quota for what?) And with that Im not saying that several of the “white”players, should be there.Come to think of it, Im having difficulty in thinking of any player who is there on merit? Which of course, reflects on the coaching staff and selectors. But then of course, the corrupt and incompetent Mbalula is the faceless convener, political commissar and social engineer. Simple, as long as there are “guidelines” for selection, there will be quotas.
@BOG: Do you think Grey rugby has declined?I mean they’ve lost to a 50% black team for two years in a row.They’re still lilly white and Boishaai is the Top team in the country
@Bush: what’s going to sting the most and what I felt the most was the constant protection of the Rand by increasing interest rates. My bond increased by R2000 a month in 6 months, car by R1,000. It’s going to continue to a point where financing anything will cost too much. Your beloved House will be half a bar a year within 5 years. Interest rates in the UK are almost zero %…
@BOG: I understand the expense of all that I love. But, where can you buy a Buffalo Bull for 168 million. I’m pissed that my wealth has decreased by 50%. I still choose to live here. Come on all you have is negative stuff. Do you still live in SA?
It’s got nothing to do with race, it’s got all to do with an out of their depth coaching staff. They have been thrown to the wolves. We need a proper proven international coaching group. We have plenty black players who will be there on merit, Gelant, Notshe, Nche, Kolisi, Sergeal, Skosan etc. We have a group of young guys learning the hard way. In 3 years from now under a proper coach we will be back to where we should be. It’s not all doom and gloom. Also this constant praise of the AB’s make them more confident. We need to believe psychologically we can compete, not put them on a pedestal. Next step is to make Whiteley the captain up to the next World Cup. Let him build the confidence….lambasting them doesn’t help.
@Playa: You are obviously pissed off with things and believe that denial is the best way to deal with it. Im certainly not trying to impress you with anything- dont fool yourself. You are the one who wants to turn my criticism of the selection policies into a race matter.And you will hardly find a journalist who will support your views.@Bush: Yep, so well, that only a miracle can prevent a credit downgrade. And I wonder how many SAs really fully understand the consequences? But, what the heck, Im sure that the Morgan fellow will console you- but his company will become very expensive with the ZAR at R50+ to the dollar
@BOG: It’s getting a little bit tired now. Man I hate all the bad kuk against me and my son. But hell we love SA. I’m South African and I love this country, it’s people and its problems.SA has done well considering. Hey my car got stolen, shit happens. Eskom, SAA, SANDF, GW, Internet, GO Pro Connection, Jealousy of Tokoloshe. Man Come on, Eish.
@BOG: Nonsense!You are colour.That ‘I have black friends’ rhetoric may work with your low self esteem black employees and friends,it doesn’t work with me.The first comment you had in the Bok loss was colour based.You see colour,you’re not fooling anyone by bringing up your so called black family.Give us a bit of credit for owning half a brain at least.
Fact of the matter is that the only team with a chance of beating the All Blacks is their B team.Get over race and get over yourself…for the same of humanity.
@Playa: I find the Broederbond team, allies of the regime, reprehensible. You seem to be struggling with the truth, may I say, and obsessed with colour. And as my multi coloured family shows, I dont see colour. Merit only- players and coaches. Only problem is that they cannot be used as political pawns.
Mission accomplished. Transformed and equality attained in a remarkably short period. The “Springboks” are at last, now on par with Bafunny Bafunny. Had it not been for the ABs having an average game, they could have taken them well below the level of “soccer”. Now for the hockey.
@Buddy: I reckon Playa is the gay tokoloshe and BOG is the oke lying in that bed. Those eyes belong to a Grey Old Boy. Good Night going to bed, before one of you guys hack my account. ?????. Sleep Lekker
@Playa: No it happened a lot. Why should it concern me? Not that the DNA would have been a bad idea. Its where some of the biggest fraud take place- “buying” SA parents by illegals for late birth registrations. What the heck, the flood gates are open and its happy hour in SA. No job, no problem. Do what the big induna does- steal, deceive, plunder, devour and consume. Let the few “stupid” ones produce. Which lasts of course, only so long. Then the pillars begin to collapse and eventually even sport- like rugby. And dont we have some excellent examples on this continent?
@BOG: I saw that article. I take it, it was a renowned & respected writer that wrote that story? The same one that wrote the one about the Department of Home Affairs introducing compulsory DNA tests for newborns? You must have been pi$$ing your pants after that old woman came out saying some farmer from the Free State she worked for 40 years ago fathered her son…you must have had a Bob Hewitt/Bill Cosby moment there, Oom.
@Andre T: Nee wat, toe ek die groen trui sien, toe weet ek jy en Spear is kort op sy hakke. Ironies, het ek nie veel van n probleem met GW nie- nie dat daar plek by my is vir tweede gunsteling nie.@McCulleys Workshop: You mean for the pufters they now marry?And prey for Sangomas like Player. I see that you can now do a BSc in Witch Craft, but you require a 10% pass in Maths literacy.
@Greenman: I promise not me, I look kuk in a vest. Especially those ones of yours with the holes and its white. I think it’s called a Greenman’s Vest. (Grandpa)
@Bush: D@Bush: Dressed like a gentleman sir. Knew you would not recognize one when you see one. Slip slops P T pant and vest. That you would recognized because it is in the mirror
@Greenman: Jis Greenman did someone hack your account as well. You dress like a ,,,,,,,, I’m not going to say it. But I like the way you think?????????????
@Buddy: I never borrowed your GW jersey nor did I have my Landy stolen. It was a recovery vehicle for the Landy, it was my Toyota.
Well there has been some funny things happening on the Blog and in KZN. My account gets hacked and someone writes all that kuk, my account gets hacked for the second time and I get given a GW jersey. Then I’m at GW recruiting players for the French Foreign Legion and my Toyota is stolen.
I think I’m going to move to the UK, Hopper what street do you live in??? Imadoos Rd
@Andre T: You are correct Mate. I borrowed my GW Jersey to @ Bush last week at a braai and the bugger did not want to return it. Then Yesterday someone stole his Landie with my jersey in it at GW while he was busy recruiting rugby players.
This morning my Jersey magically appeared on my profile and now gone again.
@BOG: LOL! Oom, I thought you were smarter than that. You surely don’t believe that a majority view is always the correct one, do you? Or does that only apply to views that parallel yours.
Aargh, it’s Friday, and CT has depressing weather as is let me not go into the dark side.
@Playa: I do apologise- also on behalf of the majority of rugby writers, all for being wrong. Wrong, meaning that we all disagree with you ?? @McCulleys Workshop: Who says that I dont already live in Durban or environs ?
@Grasshopper: The writer chooses to go the political route – that’s fine – politics in rugby is an issue. My problem is, if you’re going to write an article about the problems with racial selection then do that and be honest about it. Some glaring things from the article in point form:
– I agree Rohan J v Rensburg should be ahead of de Jongh. He should have been ahead of de Allende in the first place – but this seems to be ok with the writer
– I am no fan of Mohoje, and I would never have picked him in my squad in the first place, but he has shown up more than Flo has in the last few tests.Yet he goes at him, calling him a disgrace, citing a high tackle and one missed tackle….IN ONE BLODDY TEST against Argentina.
– The criticsm on Jantjies is fair. He hasn’t stepped up for whatever reason – but can we argue that he was our best available 10 when he was selected? His solution is an injured Pollard.
My problems:
– He praises Etzebeth for being the standout player in the team, doing things outside of his job description – but only singles out Mohoje as a weak link.
– He says the backline is a shambles, then tucks into Elton and de Jongh with a one line after-thought right at the end:
“Oh, and did I mention that Johan Goosen is dodgy under the high ball and there is no longer a top-class No 9 in the country.”
No criticism of a disgustingly underperforming Beast. No criticism of a Habana that is clearly way past his sell-by date. Why? If the point was to highlight players of colour that are letting the team down, why leave those two out? I can only speculate, so I’ll leave at that.
Here’s a thought a Bok Indaba at a conference centre inviting all the experts to thrash out ideas to put the Boks back where they should be. Come to some sort of consensus and blue print to catch up with the All Blacks.
@Playa: When the black wave comes in the last quarter of the match, the defensive structures of the bok back line needs to not only stand up but put back. There is not one player ( black or white) that has shown the necessary ability or attitude to do so. That is one reason for the dismal performances and certainly does not mitigate the appointment of Stick but rather exposes it further. Grassy mentions Sean Erasmus. It would be interesting to compare CVs as bringing in Foster and Smith would make the exercise beyond laughable. We have to get beyond our own narratives in order to really understand the challenge ahead.
@Playa: I didn’t read the article like the blame lay with 3 players, he just singled out a few and they happened to be of colour. He is a Kiwi so is fully aware about being sensitive to racial issues in a country with a large Maori & Pacific Islander community. It’s a combination of issues, coach lacking ideas, loss of experienced players, young guys making their mark, quotas, SARU lacking strong management….etc etc. Mallet loves to lambast everyone but he has no answers either. Why doesn’t he stop moaning and get stuck in, offer to advise AC. Same with Rob Louw & all the others whining. We need to support these guys as genuinely most of the squad are our best.
@Grasshopper: I’d be careful of throwing schoolboy coaches into the net. Some people are just great with kids, and struggle with adults, or rather are able to get a good response from kids, and not so much from adults. It wouldn’t be a bad idea, however to start looking into schoolboy coaches as a grooming area for coaches in the next 5 years or so.
@Playa: Astonishing to see how many writers are now sharing his views, according to you, “not objective”-period. Perhaps they are the ones being objective? When someone starts singing the praises of Stick as a coach, he has lost all credibility. So when will Zim and Namibia make a comeback?
@McCulleys Workshop: that is the thing, I purposely don’t hype the team up. It must be other OB’s you know. I promote the school but never claim they going to be all conquering & whip the top sides. In fact I’m usually quite realistic but quietly optimistic. I’m just proud of the boys, nothing wrong with that
@McCulleys Workshop: Then when they do lose its all kinds of excuses from the Hopper man. I really hope for the schools sake they do well. After everything the school has been through this year. Let’s get the Buffalo Biltong, the PVR remote for the pause and rewind function, let’s not forget the Cappie and Coke. 2017 come on Baby
@Grasshopper: Lol, ok you majored in Economics! If I think they are overrated, the counter of that is I don’t underrate them! I can only speak for myself, but I have never underrated a Glenwood side, however that pales into insignificance in the face of your overwhelming overrating of them! You set them up for failure every year by raising the bar to extreme levels, generally at this time of the year while the banter builds. I’m sure they will be very good next year and maybe land some great scalps, and unlike House last year, I certainly hope they test themselves against all the big guns, to show their mettle. But please don’t project them to the stratosphere!
@Playa: Loubscher was clueless too. We haven’t had a decent coaching team for the past 5 years or more. We really need to wipe the slate clean and start again. Bring in a world class coach whatever it costs and let them pick the assistants etc. Also, ALL Super rugby coaches need to buy into the same gamplan as the Head coach. We have the players (whatever colour they are) and can sort this mess out before the next world cup. Maybe we should give a schoolboy coach a go, couldn’t do any worse than we doing now…..Sean Erasmus?
@Grasshopper: Glenwood certainly aren’t underrated by my estimation, but they are grossly overrated in yours, that’s the difference. They should have a good 2017.
@Grasshopper: I was being sarcastic…that comment was for Bog. And I agree with you.There’s this belief that SA all of a sudden the Boks due to politics only started being weak post 95.We fell behind during isolation and this is evident in the 92-94 results.The 70s leading up to isolation in 81 weren’t great either.Go further before the 70s and you will see a serious period of ebb and flow.The 30s and 50s were awesome,with the 60s being incosistent.
It’s because we had a period where The Curriebeker was the sh1t and manne thought SA was great though they were not competing internationally….little did they know that they were stuck and not evolving…and that lack of evolution is still evident in the game plan(or lack of) we have had for the last 16 years.Barring the 2007 world cup where Eddie Jones helped out.
Also brings me to a very important point…no one ever cared who the backline coach was till Jones came in.Then he left and no one cared again.Now Stick gets a lot of stick. I don’t recall any criticism of Loubcher during Heynekes term.Strange
@Playa: Well not really, it’s the wake up call we have been needing since readmission. We have been overrated for years with plenty of luck at times. Our luck has run dry. And just for all the Glenwood haters out there, Glenwood is overrated and can’t run with the big dogs…
@Buddy: Then hack my profile again say those lovely words and give my bloody jersey back?????
Return my car to the place you took it from and I won’t say a word to the cops.
@McCulleys Workshop: @Playa: Apology accepted. Get blood rush so don’t assume between the lines reading. We good. Finger off the trigger. Trucker, never that pedantic but the kids do come first. Moving on
@Buddy: Well someone is hacking my profile, I could never wear a GW jersey as well as talk so much kuk. All in one night. Never. There is a Third Force behind this.
@Playa: Before Greenman hounds me again, the second sentence should start with a capital letter T, and I missed a ‘t’ in the third sentence, ” This is the case for this particular article. My comments were on this particular article, not on his other material”
@BOG: Even highly regarded, objective writers can write hogwash at times. this is the case for this particular article. My comments were on his particular article, not on his other material. This one is not objective, period.
@Greenman: Morning Trigger Finger, ease up! It says “M(y) limited rugby brain cannot place him at any of the loose positions”. Sometimes you need to read between the lines, sometimes not, it like that 50/50 call…
@Buddy: No problem if you can get my car back. Was recruiting at GW this morning, went outside car gone. Buddy do the right thing give it back. ???????
@Playa: Fact is that John Reason is objective and for many years, highly regarded in the rugby playing world. No raving or objections from you, will change that. I can understand a rugby writers dilemma when writing about SA rugby. Should they be serious or do it from a humorous angle? Its such a tragedy at the moment, that the latter option is probably the way to go.
@Playa: Really. Do you write but cant read. Post 394 states “lmited rugby brain” What does that mean then. Just apologies and move on. Cant believe you want to justify.
@Playa: JJ played No8 for a few games in 2015 when he was in grade 10. He certainly has the pace. I think he is about 5th quickest in the team over 60m. So if he did go down to say 110kg he could be an amazing ball carrier. He does seem to like playing very loose and stay away from rucks and mauls, so maybe his natural game is as a loosie. He would be an awesome back of the lineout option…
@Greenman: I am not sure how that is an insult. You know him better than I do. All I was saying is from what I have seen of him, he is a solid tight (lock) forward, but I cant see him as a loosie. I was just seeking clarity on attributes you reckon would justify him to move to no 8.
@BOG: I didn’t deny anything Oom, and that article is far from being objective. For you to see an article that singles out only 3 players as the root of the Boks’ ills as objective is very concerning – especially one that doesn’t even touch on the issue of Strauss – who you admitted is part of the problem. Well I shouldn’t be surprised.
The writer says this:”In fact you could make Etzebeth almost the entire South African team at the moment. He has made three try-saving tackles in the previous two games and he has set up two of South Africa’s tries. If you want a guy to straighten the line, bring in two defenders and get the ball out of the tackle, then Etzebeth is your man.”
Then goes on a rant on just 3 players – and you call that objective????Maybe there’s a different definition of the word objective in the OFS English dictionary.
@Playa: As I said the other day, politics and sport are like addiction. First step to recovery, is acknowledging the problem. You are in denial. John Reason is not only highly regarded as a rugby commentator in Australasia, but throughout the rugby world. He is known for his objectivity and for you to suggest that he is prejudiced, is absurd. That excuse will still be used long into the future. Im sure. In the meantime, have your calculator ready for Saturday.
@Buddy: Queens and Selborne are our biggest (and oldest) derbies. Those are our annual double headers. Then our other big rivals are St Andrews, Kingswood and Grey PE (which is the furthest we travel).
@BrotherBear: Presuming the top group you refer to is the top 20, you might want to add Drostdy, Outeniqua, Garsfontein and Kingswood to that list of co-eds
@BOG: Well you only post articles that you agree with, and anyone you consider highly regarded is someone who shares your viewpoints. I read Nick Mallet’s critique and it pointed at a variety of issues – some of which I disagreed with, but I took it as it was well rounded. This one focusses on 3 players of colour, and highlights the race issue – nothing on the 2 journeymen of colour in Beast and Habana
Anyway, John uses too much emotive language for me to take this piece as anything more than just a journo playing mind games. His duty here is to get the Bogs of the world to beat their chests with the “I told you so” speech, and to get the Playas all up in arms and throwing their toys. He’s succeeded in getting Bog to do just that, but Playa is not peeved. The Boks are frustrating to watch, but we have seen this picture before…The pre-Kristie era; The Markgraaf-Du Plessis era; The Viljoen-Straeuli era;we are now in the Meyer-Coetzee era – we have had successes in between those eras when we have had the right coach, who picked the right players. This too will also play itself out….so keep calm and support the Boks – or don’t.
@star: you forget Westville have been taking in huge numbers in the past few years, over 270 in some years. Glenwood usually take in 220 a year. This year was different, around 260. Once this is back up again the teams will come. Also Glenwood demographics are different to Westville, where kids prefer other sports. Westville is a predominantly white suburb, although becoming more Indian, so rugby is the preferred winter sport amongst the avg kids. Rugby isn’t the key focus, look at the recent softball results. Our waterpolo is getting stronger, cricket has been strong for the past few years. Sportsman are concentrating on one sport these days which leads to elitism and fewer teams per sport but more sports. In our day the top sports guys did everything, less so these days. I see Palvie & JJ are top in their athletic events now. Palvie winning shot put & discus in the recent pentangular…
@Grasshopper: Congratulations specifically to Paarl Gim (9), Monnas (10) and Helpmekaar College (11), who are the ONLY co-ed schools in the top group of the combined rankings (yes, EG also at 15).
@Grasshopper: This definitely shows GWs emphasis on the marquee games to the possible detriment of the ” others”. Only 13 games were played against Westville from U16 down as GW were unable to field an U16E and U15E team. GW also only won 30 % of these games. It was actually quite sad seeing the Westville U 16E team playing a mock up game with itself to see some action on a Saturday.
I also glad that House is rated just above Fochville which is a lovely little town in the Wesrand.
Westville will have virtually its entire team back for next year which I am not sure is a good or bad thing Seriously though there will be extreme experience of the lows in sport and the boys must show character and resolve in 2017. Let the games begin.
@Buddy:
My crew ran away last night, the lid was put back on the Cappie early.
House has was it has and that’s good enough. The boys seem to get stronger and band together when the chips are down. I think that’s all that is needed for a supporter. We understand it’s going to take another 100 years to have a dream team of 2015. As long as the boys are enjoying themselves and having fun?????.
It’s wonderful to see the development of the kids through the ranks. Starting off with not much and ending with a developed young man.
@Buddy:
My crew ran away last night, the lid was put back on the Cappie early.
House has was it has and that good enough. The boys seem to get stronger and band together when the chips are down. I think that’s all that is needed for a supporter. We understand it’s going to take another 100 years to have a dream team of 2015. As long as the boys are enjoying themselves and having fun?????.
It’s wonderful to see the development of the kids through the ranks. Starting off with not much and ending with a developed young man.
@Buddy: That must be about 20 yrs ago, then? That is more or less when they stopped using “OB” registrations, I think. And the 140 yrs before that, they used ox wagons and horses on their recruiting “missions”. A very unique situation. 95% of the scholars are on rugby “bursaries”- even the tennis-, hockey-, soccer-,cricket-, players, athletes, swimmers, all enticed to Bloem by big money. The remaining school fee paying learners must be extremely wealthy?@Playa: I can understand that you too, are probably embarrassed by the state of SA rugby. Given the fact that you would criticise me for an article by John Reason, a highly regarded NZ rugby scribe, rather than respond to the criticism directed at you, at least shows that , for you, its a sensitive matter.( See 394, 400) I did not defend Strauss- I merely said that he cannot be held accountable for all the problems encountered by the team. My predictions of 2-3 yrs ago, for which I was crucified, have become a reality, and understandably, you are pissed off. Classic example of stoning the messenger. How that reflects on my “character”, is beyond me.
@BOG: Funny how this article lacks in Strauss,Louw,Goosen,De Allende…then again you wouldnt have posted it if it down.Especially after your defence of a highly incompetent Strauss earlier this week.Says a lot about your chracter
@BOG: Boet I understand that your school bus branded Grey Bloem was spotted in the Western Cape not tasting wine but busy browsing the talent at Swartland and Drostdy.
@Buddy: Hi, you need a fast oke. Maybe can do the 100 in 11-12’s. But has the capacity of a Hyena. I’ve always like okes like Morne Dup, Gary Techiman, Ryan “The Hoff” players with speed, link up outside your 3/4’s or that can run like a centre. Whiteley is like that, same as the AB number 8 Kieran Read. Proper linking players. You can hit up with your front row, locks and one flank. If you saw them for the first time you would think they are centres. I know there are okes that prefer the smashing number 8, just my opinion.
@Greenman: Ja and the girls do the work. Any way I’m not qualified enough to debate this. Pouring my first Cappie so signing off before I get hacked again.
@Playa: Your post 394 and I quote:
” I thought he was a pretty solid lock, m limited rugby brain cannot place him at any of the loose positions”
@McCulleys Workshop: Not trigger happy! We can just hope we competitive but nice to know the boys are good.
@Bush: You have never heard me throwing excuses when we have lost. Always congratulated the opposition. We give it our best and that is it. JJ doesn’t hit rucks. Want space and then carry three on his back like a buffalo attacked by Lions.
@Buddy: quick count 11 out of 15 1st teams players this year there next year. Pretorius and Hendricks, although under 16, played in Sanix. Playing players out of position is nothing new. Even made SA out of position, Richardson.
@Greenman: I’m agreeing with you and your team. Just don’t want to hear excuses if it doesn’t turn out Lekker for you. It will be awesome for KZN if GW could hold their own in the better league. Only problem if they do, is the Craven Week selection. Your 4th team players will selected before MHS 1st team players???????
I’m in agreement with Playa about JJ at 8. He’s a solid lock. I think he will be predictable at 8. He will be better hitting rucks at lock than at nr8. Did he play fly half at Primary School?????
@Greenman: Greenman, you are too twitchy, nothing offensive has been said (other than by a hacker) and I agree that you should have a great season, as was said this time last year about the 2016 GW season. Loosen up your trigger finger. It will be great to see how they go at KERF and WK, good luck.
@Greenman: I’m not sure where I insulted any kid.Never have and I’ve never intended to do so.Please point out where I did and I’ll gracefully retract and apologise.I hope my account hasnt been hacked.Id be trucken peeved
@Bush: @McCulleys Workshop: @Playa: All in good time Boys, all in good time. Hold on to your banter. No need to trash GW now already. Season only starts next year. We excited. We know your are not. Playa, please refrain from the childish attacks on our kids. No need to get personal.
why not 8 for JJ? He has played all positions even flyhalf. Might not be but that is where I would like to see him. It will be an awesome pack.
Looks like a fabulous 2017 for GW, great 1st XV and a Springbok Captain. Hopefully KZN gets a public holiday, they can call it Greenday or Roll my Polony day.
@Grasshopper: You seem to forget that often it’s a case that they perform to the potential that they are allowed to perform to. Its not always a case that GW are brilliant and they just didn’t perform on the day, some teams are just better than them.
@Greenman: Out of interest, why would JJ move to No.8? SA Schools A lock and all. I thought he was a pretty solid lock, m limited rugby brain cannot place him at any of the loose positions.
@Grasshopper: We will see next year. It’s Lekker. Maybe this will send a message to all the schools in KZN to get with the professional school boy program. Or local is Lekker
@Bush: Well one of the big dogs has run away…Affies, even though they gave us a snotklap. We don’t make excuses just naturally get frustrated if the team doesn’t perform to potential…
@Grasshopper: No I mean overall, GW is not interested in competing locally. We understand that. Let’s see the running with the big dogs!!!!! Can see all the BS excuses when you come second. Team looks awesome on paper.
@Bush: It won’t be that interesting in KZN with no Hilton, House or Northwood fixture for Glenwood. George Campbell and Northwood loses were fair and square, no excuses. They were a few years ago now though….
@Grasshopper: I don’t know about the coaches! Will have to wait and see. possible move of Schwultz to prop and De Wet hooker. My thinking:
15 Dillion Kruger
14 Christo
13 JC Conradie
12 Jonker/ Le Fleur
11…
10 Pretorius/Alan
9 Hendricks/Jooste
8 Jj
7 Terblanche
6 J O Neil
5 Laubscher
4 Ncube
3 Schwultz
2 De Wet
1 Clarke
@Grasshopper: The Glenwood 1st coach is going to have a pleasing nightmare in selecting. If this year was rough, watch next year. Still out there who the coach is going to be? Who we playing? Kearnsney week programme?
I feel for him. He’s an astute coach – did my Level 2 with him way back when. What is remarkable is that he has been highly successful at Westville with all the teams he coached. Then he gets to 1st XV and has a mare. It doesn’t fit. Can’t help but think there were other factors at play………….
vs Michaelhouse won 80-0
vs Westville won 38-5
vs Kearsney won 29-10
vs College won 49-0
vs DHS won 33-15
vs Grey Bloem lost 21-32
vs Affies won 30-12
vs Monnas lost 5-13
vs Southend (UK) won 43-7
vs Framesby won 66-0
vs HTS Middelburg (Wildeklawer) lost 26-29
vs Menlopark (Wildeklawer) lost 19-22
@GreenBlooded: It is actually due to the fact that it is a very good team and have been for a while. Did they not beat House by over 70 points? According to the Saschoolsport rankings they are 4 in the country with my 2 old schools Hilton at 12 and Westville at 21. Westville have 2 reps which seems is in line with expectations. You see it is as simple as that. However sometimes it is not that pragmatic
On another note it appears that the Westville 1st team coach ( Norris) is going to Clifton and I presume that the U16 coach Strydom will step into the breach.
@Grasshopper: I had no dog in this fight until I noticed the presence of old Boerboel, a common irritation. He has an invasion of fleas from time to time-in fact most of the time, and then becomes irrational and incoherent. He nagged me for GCBs away record and when I gave it to him, he simply evaporated. Obviously a new arrival- if its true, in the Paarl. Only solution for him is a groom and de-fleaing at the SPCA.
@Buddy: I must say it is concerning when a grown man goes fishing other grown men’s characters and profiles and is ok with it…to each their own! Puts the whole ‘Truck buddy’ obsession into perspective
@Playa: Bwahahahaha. No mate not Mr Jonker and what a lekke oke he is…..
The only chap I know for sure is Mr Bush and I had to fish if it was him.Thats perhaps why he feels that he was stalked hehehehe and just to mention that according to me he is a ambassador of the game. Hats of to Mr Buch???
@McCulleys Workshop: Boet I don’t work at Glenwood ???.Just a parent supporting my son that just want to play the game of rugby and compete againt the best of the best.He enjoys his experience as a border in the BE and smiles. Thats what count’s and not your filthy Truck buddy ?
So Mr Truck if you think that I am the Burger Man from Umbilo try again ?
@Grasshopper: If I were you I would take exception to Buddy’s comment @Buddy: He’s trying to down play your importance again as an Economics Major and a social media maven of standing.
@Buddy: Lol – I honestly didn’t know Grasshopper was one of your kids, I would have backed off ages ago! He has been masquerading as an adult for all these years, the opposite of Tom I guess.
@Grasshopper: Ok now we agree, Boishaai’s fantastic two seasons has absolutely nothing to do with GLENWOOD, and therefore Boerboel is at total liberty to not be your GLENWOOD BUDDY.
@Grasshopper: You mean not solely due to Sean’s grooming at GLENWOOD!
It’s ok, we can take it, say it like it is. Boishaai are currently No1 in SA because of GLENWOOD.
@McCulleys Workshop: Not solely due to Sean, but he has made a huge impact and did his learning at Glenwood. He probably has some better ‘tooling’ at Boishaai too…
@Grasshopper: So you actually believe that Booishaai’s success over the last few years is as a result of SE’s grooming at GW, It’s ok, we know you are fishing … for compliments.
@boerboel: But you have a successful old Glenwood coach in Sean Erasmus, remember he was at Glenwood for more than 10 years and you hate Glenwood….bizarre…
@GreenBlooded: So it should have been a 22 Drop Out. Very technical, even the commentators had no idea. Joel is blaming Habana for a bad kick. I understand why refs get it wrong at times. The ruck rule is the most interesting, just as you think you understand the rule. The ref blows it differently.
Interesting Law Discussion in an attempt to get this thread back into something remotely rugby related. Remember thinking – ‘Is that right?” when it happened.
@Buddy: sounds awesome! Doing a tour of SA, Noord Kaap, Augsberg Gim, Tygerberg, Outeniqua, Oakdale, Marlow, Nico Malan, Framesby anyone not too scared or happy to play a semi professional team….
@Buddy: No, no there can’t be two of you on the same blog?????. Whatever you have as a secret is great. Keep it under your hat. Been stalked is a scary thing and a little weird. I thought my mates from the Bluff, Burra and Wentworth I had around this weekend were weird, but you take the cake.
@Bwana: when have I bad mouthed SA? I have stated fact….big difference, I love SA and hope it improves. People move for work all the time, like I have….
@Bush: Put what differently Mr Bush? Sorry Mr GB but most old boys keep an eye open on their alma maters but it seems Hopper is the exception to the norm.
Why should he do that? Are you saying that Old Boys living abroad should not follow their schools and keep abreast with the goings on at their alma maters??
@GreenBlooded: Calling Glenwood a circus/nomadic was in reference to their future travelling. Nothing to do with the shenanigans going on at Nicholson Road! Well the amount of fixtures seems to indicate there is a problem with prospective opposition for the men in green! In terms of obsession, that is mainly due to your UK based connection and his constant changing of the subject to Glenwood based. Hopefully the Glenwood boys enjoy all their free weekends off in the rugby season next year! Maybe the parents will get discounted fees. I take it your lighty has been announced as an Acting Prefect. That is great news, congratulations. That is the ultimate honour at College.
You didn’t outright state it – buy you seemed to come out of the woodwork and bag Glenwood with a string of posts. You comment about our match schedule here @Bwana: then make a snide remark about being “nomads” and a “circus” here @Bwana: Followed by a diatribe on the fact that no-one want’s to play us (which is bollocks BTW) here @Bwana:. Why are you so obsessed with what Glenwood are up to? Just forget about us. The only thing that should concern you about GW is the College fixture. Don’t worry who else we play, when, how we get there, who pays for what etc. It’s none of your beeswax. And if you dislike GW that much – boycott the match. Or petition the GB to boycott the fixture.
@boerboel: Ek praat maar Afrikaans met jou want ek hoor nou net dat jou seun speel vir die u16A span van Affies wat so pakslae gekry het by Glenwood so bietjie meer as n maand terug?
Ask Bush a secret will come out when his Twin starts his Tow truck?
@Bwana: Maybe, well good on them and College. I have only heard good things about Glenwood boys from hosts and people visiting the school. Obviously boys will be boys and there are a few that might misbehave, but that is more a reflection on their parents than the school….
@Grasshopper: Then why do the College and Affies communities have nothing but mutual respect for each other? A country like South Africa has such a rich cultural diversity. Surely it is in the interest of producing future proud South Africans to embrace different cultures?
@Bwana: I don’t want to state the obvious but there are huge cultural differences between the Affies boys and families and the Glenwood ones……could be said for Monnas too…
@GreenBlooded: Well I am a College Old Boy who almost went to Glenwood as a 3rd generation Glenwood boy. Where did I state my dislike for Glenwood? All I did was ask some, what I think, were valid questions. I was not up in Pretoria but the only celebration I had was when College fought back and showed some typical never-say-die College guts to win. In terms of the dropping of the fixture I do not agree with it. KZN rugby will be poorer without. It just seems to be odd that plenty of schools seem to have problems with our friends from Nicholson Road. Just my observation but then again all I am is a simple Glenwood-hater according to you.
@McCulleys Workshop: Eish, I would like to apologize for my outburst. I was off sides and if Beet gives me a red card I deserve it. Sorry Bloggers????????????
@GreenBlooded: No I have not read the book. I have heard about it though. If we are so pissed off, knowing a little, I wonder how most of us would feel if we had known everything? I agree, AS has not stepped up in that role, but he probably realizes it, which explains his announcement of retirement.@Buddy: There is no chance in hell that you will get the players back, until they have reached the end of their careers and are no longer in demand abroad. And as the ZAR weakens, the stronger the incentive will become to leave. Money talks, especially, where people have only a few years to make it.
@BOG: I think that we need to get our talented players in Japan and France back to SA.If it means that SARU needs to get their act together and pay these players with salaries that’s on par with the rest of the world.
We can do with the experience and kicking boot of Frans Steyn just to mention one player….
It was one thing wrong. Not the only thing wrong. It cannot be denied that Strauss’s captaincy has been woeful since he took over. But agree with you on other points – specially the JZ one. Have you read the Johan Booysen book that just came out? Scary scary stuff!
@BOG: Allistair Coetzee is a nice bloke but not a world class coach. SARU need to pull finger and get a world class coach asap or we won’t get out of the group stages in Japan. Even bring back Jake FFS!
@GreenBlooded: Surely, you are not saying that Strauss must accept all the blame for that catastrophe? I think it has more to do with the coaching team, selection—. A captain can only do so much but if you have mostly donkeys or mules in the July, dont expect to win the race. Many think that we in SA only need to get rid of JZ and everything will be hunky dory. Not so. Likewise with our rugby. Politics and sport is like addiction. First step to recovery, is admitting the problem and denial is not a solution.
Agreed! The scoreboard in New Zealand next week better have 3 digits on it. What the Bok’s lacked yesterday was guts and heart. Nothing. They should have used the impetus of the early lead to close the game out but they lacked motivation and that should have come from a passionate skipper. WW would have made all the difference with that yesterday.
@BOG: in our non Saffa area outside of London my wife has met 3 other Saffa moms and their kids who have moved here in the past 3 months. Laager mentality won’t work forever & the bubbles that Saffas live in are starting to burst….
@Bush: Im not looking for sympathy, but for too long, too many people have been looking the other way, while others are being slaughtered. And while they pretend, the slaughter is continuing. And pretending that things are normal and about to improve. This has not ever happened on this continent. In fact, the “fundamentals” show that things can only get a lot worse. But we should never condemn those who leave. Many are and it takes a lot of courage and money to do so. And the decline is everywhere, even in sport like rugby.But yes, stand up and fight back.by all means. That is all that we can do.
@Grasshopper: A very moving tribute, indeed. Its happening all over SA and with increased regularity. But most people prefer to look the other way- until it happens to someone close to them. In the same week, a lovely 28 yr old mother , also of 2 small children, was shot and killed in the driveway of her sister in Edenvale, in the presence of her husband and 2 small children,as they were leaving after a visit. It always strikes more when this happens to a young parent. Just two incidents, leaving 2 victims, 2 grieving spouses, and 4 little children without a father/mother.
@GreenBlooded: WW will make an impact but we need the correct combination and it just seem like there’s no winning plan on the table.The All Blacks will hammer us with this type of game en dissension making.
Mr hopper please forgive my friend as he is under the spell of the Green Glenwood Gost and we will request a priest to assist with this problem.
@Grasshopper:And you are an OB of the Bluff Beach Eating Shit Club.The same as the comments you make about boys struggling at the BE, fuck you, you know fuckall about struggle,Thats why you run like a jail arsehole. FY and your stupid idea of running, now you have given all right to comment on SA
@Grasshopper: Mr Hopper I need place to stay for the England tour.Can you help me as I will bring Kingsley Holgate aka Bush with me and promise that he will behave ?
@Grasshopper: Jis, you blocked me again. I was hoping you would at least give us a true GW struggle. A true Bluff MF round house PK kick, at Ansteys Beach eating shit to become a local.
@Bush: Don’t think that Mr Glenwood can turn this around on his own.
Was very impressed with Argentina in the first 20 min against the All Blacks and think that’s the recipe on how to beat them if you can do it for the full 80 min?
@Grasshopper: Seriously Hopper, we don’t need this stuff on a blog. What about the farmers, what about the people in the townships. If you want to gain brownie points, go to the House(Not the Red and White) and seek refugee in your new country.
@Playa: dude, not on the scale of SA, it’s rife. South Africans are just numb too it. Murders don’t even make the news, here if someone attacks somebody it’s all over the news. We don’t live in London, in fact we 55km away from central London in the countryside. I checked the accurate crime stats here in our town, last murder in 2012! Last breakin was 5 months ago. SA is actually considered a war-zone due to the high murder rate. I mean Oscar is a prime case, high profile guys gets nothing for murder, what message does that send. We came here for work & love SA, but unfortunately no matter what one does we cannot control the economy and the leadership. One can put their head in the sand or be proactive. SA will take 20 years to come right, do we stay and struggle whilst waiting or make a change. For me it was a no brainer.
Did he really give you a Glenwood jersey? I can think of no-one less fitting to receive such a fine gift. If I were him I would retrieve it before it ends up in your fireplace…….
@Bush: You must ask your buddy in the UK to send you some “Navy Rum”. In my drinking days, I was a Red Heart man, but Navy Rum, with Black Currant, nogal, beat it by quite a margin. As things are going now, you will have to upgrade to an automatic, because the vermin come in gangs . Years ago, automatics were banned, but the law made provision for exceptions for people in the border areas. A few in the Border (EL area) latched on to this loophole and bought automatics until the loophole was closed. True story.
@Playa: So sorry that Im now obliged to respond to that. Crime is everywhere, but not many civilized countries compare with SA- even close. Your chances of being murdered in SA, is 7 X more likely than in the US, where it is regarded as high. Understandably so, because SA has 50-60 murders pd, and a rape every 4 minutes.We are regarded, officially, as the third most violent in the world. Add to that, SA is now regarded as the most corrupt in the world, after becoming African “champ”. That requires some effort.
@Bush: What are you drinking?@Playa: I still need some entertainment. The good thing is that Supersport should drop them soon and then we all can suspend DSTV and watch rugby on SABC 1 at 01:00.
@Grasshopper: Crime is everywhere chief,the only difference is that SA has a warped justice system.Sorry about your friend,real tragic that we have such stories in this country. I really hope you and your family never become victim of a stabbing in the stabbing capital of the world.
@Bush: I don’t shop at a Saffa shop, I live in Harpenden, nowhere near typical Saffa areas. Also, once a Saffa always a Saffa, you don’t just change allegiances when you move. My kids will support England which is fine by me.
@Grasshopper: Well, we are not all as educated as you. Of course you would shop at a South African shop, that is typical. You don’t deserve to call them Boks. So call them what you want, support your new country.
Having watched the Springboks lose to a team which I thought was pretty weak, Im sure it will make you all feel a lot better about your rugby in KZN. Next week, the ABs and I cannot imagine the total embarrassment to come. I have always thought that SA should do well in the 3 Nations, verses Namibia and ZimBOBwe, but Im no longer sure about that either. Right now, I find underwater hockey a lot more appealing, that is until the ANC wants to get their filthy claws on that as well. We ll have players drowning in the pool, if they do.
@Bush: You blog like a child though and your grammar is appalling. Plenty to do here & actually have a lekker Saffa butcher in the town. Hope you enjoyed the Boks (Proteas going forward as they don’t deserve to be called Boks) losing to a very poor Aussie side. I’m very happy knowing my family is safe and I’m not going to be shot in the stomach coming down the stairs in my own house to see what the noise is about. RIP Gary, you will be missed…
@Grasshopper: Older than you, I’m South African 100%. Any way, I’m watching rugby. I’m sure you have something Lekker to do with your family in your new country. Have a good weekend. Go buy some wors, Mrs Balls and barbecue Lekker by yourself.
@Grasshopper: Shame you poor day dog. It’s a pity you didn’t go, there you learn things about teamwork. You are the only person on this planet to have a shit life. Why run like a coward dog with you tail between your legs. Stay and fight you box
@Bush: nope, was never at Gibson House but had to catch a bus early in the morning from the Bluff and back in the afternoon, about an hour each way then make my own dinner at night and breakfast as my dad worked late, certainly not cushy like being in a BE…
@Grasshopper: Jip, that’s when we had a bad year. We used the Girls from St Anne’s. But next year looks to be better.
Good result for our u14A side and GW were number 1 in the country.
Answer the question did you go to Gibson House?
@Buddy: Any time, thanks for that GW 1st team jersey. It belonged to Hopper you said, I’m so privileged. Pity it’s one from the 90’s when GW was shit. Goes Lekker in my pub. Champion stuff
@Grasshopper: So you never went to Gibson House.
World Champs and got hammered by a few average schools. If you think of what GW are willing to sacrifice to try and be tops, in my eyes I would consider it a failure.
@Grasshopper: Here we go, I would consider this year 2016 to be up there as well.
Boerboel is correct, you have a heavy problem. It goes way beyond been just an Old Boy. I bet you weren’t even a boarder at GW, went home everyday to suck on mommies mammary gland.
@Playa: Yep, Dolphins would be after school but maybe like for rugby they signed him early and wanted him nearby for training. My point is people don’t know all the factors and forces involved, they assume. We all know what happens when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. Selborne need to move on like Glenwood have with all the boys we have lost to other schools in the past few years. Bossr didn’t even play rugby this year and played very little cricket as off on tours etc.
@Bush: 1993 & 1996 were our worst years in our history, thanks for the reminder. We have played Voories 13 times, won 11 and lost 2. Biggest win was in 1999 53-8 and biggest loss was the first game in 1993. This year our 2nd’s ran over their firsts. Oh yes, Glenwood isn’t a great school it’s a good school trying to get better.
@Grasshopper: In 1993 Vorries chowed your great school 25-8. Oh Ja that game you had no players you used your hockey team. Oh Ja again those years GW didn’t play rugby they played soccer. Oh Ja those were kuk times for GW.
@Grasshopper: Why would that matter? And besides, a Dolphins contract would only be effective after school anyway. The kid go a Glenwood contract, and that’s that. Let’s not try and smooth out a gravel road. Sure, Glenwood is not all at fault here because the kid’s dad is a bidder himself.
Interesting stat in the 90’s, the post matric years we played House 10 times and lost every game and played Hilton 10 times winning only 3. Did Glenwood withdraw from the fixtures, no. We took it on the chin and moved on…
@GreenBlooded: College have never run away from tough fixtures and they know Glenwood is a tough one. This year it was only 1 point in it. College would never drop the Glenwood fixture, over 150 games played against each other so far, could be the most derby fixtures ever in KZN because the others have mostly played once per annum.
You seem to be one of the College folk who I’ve grown to dislike in my 4 years as a College parent. In the minority I’m glad to say. One of those who seem to think that part of being a College supporter means an automatic dislike of anything Glenwood and celebrating anything that can be remotely construed as being ‘bad Glenwood press’.
Were you one of the okes back slapping and high fiving on the stands at PBHS when Glenwood was taking a pounding across the road at Affies? I’m thinking yes.
Hypothetically – will you be glad if College dropped the Glenwood fixture? More back slapping and high fiving with your buddies? Would be a great pity cos the best College matches I’ve seen in the last few years have all been against Glenwood – College boys (unlike some of the cynical supporters) seem to look forward to the fixture and give an extra 25% for it.
@Bush: Trying to get the old bugger to commit on the long hall as it seems to me that we are travelling far and beyond next year but he keeps on giving me K@k as we approach Currys Post Rd.
Must be that he only knows the road to House and never crossed that bridge before……??
@Playa: Whahahahaha nearly dropped my glass of OBS. If you could see me in the real world you will notice salad is on the bottom of my food list. I could give the bronze spoon a go???????????
@Buddy: Fires are on the go, getting the nest nice and warm. Having a warm up of OBS which will help with my carbo loading for the Park Run tomorrow morning in PMB.
Look after that Merc, it sounds like a classic.
@Bush: You need some greens to go with a braai…Buddy can bring an Avo salad, and some bronze spoons just to give you private school spoilt brats a taste of life as a tappet without a sliver spoon
@Greenman: Come down to CT for a few weeks..Here are plenty of schools to play..HJS, Paul Roos, Boland, Gim, Rbosch, SACS, Bishops and Wynberg will all give you enough teams…You just might have to relocate the school!
@McCulleys Workshop: Are you ok boet?Just clapped the crap out of a tow truck driver that wanted to violate my 230C Merc on the N3 close to the Hiton off ramp on my way to Mr Bush for a braai.I was just on the phone with Mrs Buddy and did not require your assistance mate, and no meens no !!!Something not frech with you oaks ooo and wash your truck its dirty ……
I still cant believe the Affies or Mr Edwards decision concerning the Glenwood Derby. The why is also nowhere to be found. Not even their own bloggers know.
Ok! we going to play festivals even if they on Koekenaap. Get the voyager miles, book flights, cars, ossewaens. Here we come!
@Grasshopper: Its not completely transparent/clear why Hilton elected not to play GW, nor is it clear why NW dropped the fixture. We are assuming that House have only dropped it for this year due to a crowded fixture list and that it hasn’t been canned entirely. I agree that it’s a pity. Have you got Glenwoods fixture list for next year? It’s a pity they seem to have a disjointed season two years in a row, doesn’t help building momentum nor keeping the guys dialed in for the big games
I think we should organize a golf match up between the House twins and the evil Villain/GW axis. Our handicap of having to borrow clubs as we come from govt. schools will be offset by the fact that the House boys will have to play with silver spoons in their mouths. The match referee will be the ” Spear” who fresh from his engagement with a tiger shark will be on point. The prize is still to be determined but will be lot bigger than a nights stay at the Luipaardsvlei Hotel.
@Grasshopper: Hopper I can tell you House didn’t just trash that fixture. They couldn’t fit it into the schedule. I was upset that the fixture was missing. It’s my kids last year, home ground advantage and after a few sherries anything is bound to happen.
Who wants to meet GW 1st game up. Just coming out of cricket season and GW are a few games ahead. There are 15 good fixtures in KZN alone, with maybe a 3 hour drive max.
@Grasshopper: What are those plans? To travel even further? Play KZN Development 4 times a season? Surely it is Glenwood’s loss not the other way round as you say. No matter how you try to spin it the fact is no one wants to play Glenwood. You seem to portray the villains as Hilton and House. Funny how neither Westville nor College have an issue with playing against the Private Schools.
@Bush: I find it mind boggling that Hilton can just throw away a 90 year long derby so easily, people are not bigger than the schools and personality/policy differences should not affect fixtures like this. Same goes with House. I mean Liverpool don’t just stop playing Man U because of differences, that is what makes derbies so good. The emotions involved.
@Grasshopper: You right it is our loss and yours too. Its just the way it worked not playing GW. It was the same about 7-8 years ago. Local Schools should play local first-LOCAL IS LEKKER
Regarding the travel, why cut out a 600km travel and then choose a travel destination of 1200km.
@Buddy-I wouldn’t tow Hopper truck if it was stuck up your ___ ______!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Bwana: College & Ville twice maybe, even DHS twice like traditionally. Not sure why these fixtures are being cut especially since Kershaw has gone. Northwood, Hilton & House are fooling themselves by not playing a traditional rival who is likely to be strong again. It’s their loss really…
@star: Well they should start calling themselves The Nomads. Either their season is going to be short or they will resemble a Circus due to the constant travelling.
@Bwana: Does that now formally disqualify them from the Ballies at Ballito award.
@ Grassy- Remember that Selborne will also not play with you. How is it currently on the ground with the Brexit issue? One of my many cousins has just organised an anti petition of 4.1 million signatures which was debated in the House recently. He was present and was not impressed with the usual suspects.
I actually think the Affies decision was the right one, these 600km tours take their toll, especially financially. For Glenwood they are only really competitive at A&B team & 1st to 4th’s, the rest get pommeled. Whilst there may be some cultural alignment with history, ethos and a group of Afrikaans boys at Glenwood, the fact is Glenwood is diverse and maybe there were cultural clashes hosting kids. I would far prefer Glenwood playing Northwood and Hilton again & maybe a KES or Jeppe to fill the tour. Monnas again I think is not a great fit & Grey Bloem too strong. Framesby only God knows who set that weird fixture up, rather get Grey PE or Selborne. Glenwood can test their A teams out at festivals so play AFFIES there. A double header vs College and Ville is a must…
@BOG: Your support of that fine institution is highly commendable.What confuses me is how then is the current captain of the Cheetahs a WOB and the half back pairing the dysfunctional Westville/GW axis. With Robert Dup(Kearsney) at province, Lambie and Cronje from House , and Ungerer from College, the Last Outpost is contributing significantly to the country’s pivotal positions. Let us also not forget the Westville/Hilton hybrid that was Cameron Wight. I am sure we will hear more of him in the future.
@Grasshopper: You must leave Bush alone. Now that you have taken the chicken run, he is my new accomplice , in keeping the toffee noses on their toes. If he is buddies with Speartackle, he cannot be too posh or selective with the company he keeps. Or perhaps old Spear is just what is called, a social climber?
@Cappie: Its a big pity. I was at a Affies vs GW game a few years ago. A fight broke out in the U14A game. There were no actions taken against the boys involved. I got up out of my seat as I was quite disgusted about the actions of the boys and the coaches. I went to watch a game on the field behind the main stands. Another fight broke out, the difference here. The Affies coach subbed the player involved. After the game I went up to the coach and had a chat to him about his actions. His response was Affies don’t play rugby like that.
So if it’s due to various behavioral issues, I’m sure those could be ironed out.
@Bush: To be honnest, I have no idea. The atmosphere and rivalries where I was sitting between the teams that were playing at that particular moment were always positive and in a good spirit. So I really don’t know.
@Buddy: No, no. Don’t be confused. That Silver Spoon stuff was said in humour. Hopper loves to point out that the Private Schools are toffee nosed brats.
@Playa: No he was a brilliant player. Fell Foul of the small school vs the big schools for selection. Should have played Craven Week in his Matric year.
There was a u20 coach at Natal in the late 90’s put him on par with John Smit.
He had the skill to understand kids and love them.
@Bush: Is that a ‘nice’ way of saying he was not a good player?
I can certainly vouch for his coaching and teaching. He’s a man I still hold in high regard to this day
@Cappie: It is a pity. As an outsider it was lekker to see different provincial school teams come to KZN. GW 1st and all A teams are very competitive. Their lower teams not the greatest and it gets worse when they join the open ranks.
@Bush: With all the best facilities, coaches, fields etc one would think House, Hilton, Kearsney, Bishops, St Johns etc could produce more than 4 in 20 years…..ok Kyle Abbott…
It is a pitty that the tradition between Affies and Glenwood should stop. If I look at the scores of all the teams over the last four years in Affies rugby blog it was more or less a one sided affair accept for the first and A teams.
Just for the stats, Affies seconds were unbeaten this year.
@Bush: Funnily enough, Shaun Pollock spoke at the GW Old Boys dinner about 2 years ago and his closing statement was since readmission, private schools have only contributed 4 new Proteas and the rest were gov schools…..amazing really…
@star: My cousin went to Westville and hated it, he was B class and B team for everything and said they never gave a damn about his group, this was late 90’s though.
@Buddy: I think Grassy wants to be your evil twin. He is possessive of anything green.
@ Grassy- why do you say ” thank goodness” that you didn’t go to Westville. Might have helped with your general appeal and even Bush would be your ” Buddy” .
@Bush: Anyway, the point I tried to make, and not understood by some, is this. Boys have been migrating to Grey for 160 yrs, from all over the country- the boarding establishments have never, not been full. But when they do so in recent times, it is said that they are “recruiting” (on large scale). What then, caused this change- from spontaneous migration to recruits?
@Buddy: Thanks for the accolade, but no. Coaching and have played the game are two totally different things. Certain people are made for coaching, much like teaching. It is a great skill, which I don’t have. My brother was a brilliant coach and teacher. Playa will vouch for me.
@Bush: Congrats Boet ! I’m sure that is very exiting for you guys. Just hope that when you get those grade 10 players that we can arrange a good old fashion derby.
On the nurture point I must agree with you and hope for that to change
Didn’t you ever consider to make yourself available to House as according to me your expertise would bring much value as you are legend of the game.
@Bush: I disagree, Hutchison and Jordan coached the Under14 E,F & G for over a decade, both are very experienced coaches and helped develop those kids. I think a few of their sides went unbeaten. Glenwood just need to focus on that, so have experienced coaches at the lower level.
@Grasshopper: Nice to have you back Hopper.
The schools that are solely boarding establishments do exactly that. They develop what they have. As it’s all they got. When they have space or as they call it beds open. Only then will a child get into the school. I don’t believe GW operate to their full potential on the rugby field and that is evident from the results of the lower teams. GW don’t and will never nurture what they have in front of them. This never happened for the 6 years that my kids were at the school. Maybe with a new headmaster things will change.
@Buddy- House is expanding. They are building 2 new Houses starting I think in 2017. So maybe they will fill them with grade 10 rugby players or Post Matrics
@Buddy: Yep and I think many schools hide their recruitment behind ‘closed bursaries’, angel silent investors paying kids fees etc so no one will ever know the true extent to the buying. It’s been going on since schools started. People underestimate the power of Old Boys, when they want something as a group they usually get it, either via the Headmaster, Old Boys Committee or Parents Committee. Old Boys like winning teams, that is only obvious. BUT they must be legit and no buying should be done post grade 8. Stick with and nurture what you have from grade 8. There will be departures and additions along the way though through natural movement or boys being unhappy at some schools. I myself almost went to Westville when we moved to Westville, thank goodness I didn’t ;-).
@Grasshopper: Mr Hopper remember that a 12 spanner can’t torque a 10 bold.The correct tool for the job !!!
Schools like MH will follow as they want to compete and parents like the Evil Twins will get involved with their governing bodies and insists that they appoint a recruiter- coach. With the facilities that they got it only make sens
@Buddy: They also recruited a few kids in the Eastern Cape but don’t get trawled through the coals like Glenwood. The purchasing and recruitment past grade 8 is blown completely out of proportion, there was a year or 2 about 3 years ago when a few came in but that has stopped now. Hilton recruited 2 Glenwood Under 16 captains, not an eyelid batted, Northwood buy half a team, nothing said…..funny how it’s only Glenwood who do this….all other schools are innocent.
Guys suppose you start to look after your tools then as the quality tools are very expensive .Kids and their Perants wants to compete at the highest level and if you replaced a tool you need to look after your tools.Sure that is a principle that any workshop would follow as a SOP
@Buddy: So a person must just keep buying the tools until he gets the right one for the job. GW doesn’t have to develop according to their promise, if they don’t have the correct tool (kid) for the job. Just keep buying, poaching or whatever it is they do. Until they get it right. In doing so you are not to piss your neighbors off, as a good amount of these tools (kids) are stolen from your neighbors. So the neighbors replace the stolen tools, for them to be taken once again.
Teaching seems to be a thing of the past!!!! As we can see from the burning down of the Varisties.
@Buddy: Buddy, contrary to your perceptions, most bloggers are parents or old boys of the particular schools they support and I would hazard a guess that very few bloggers, if any, have the ability to change the way the school they support, recruits, establishes coaching structures, their ethos and values or to determine who the school elects to play against nor the number of games in a season. Ask Hopper whose listened to him. Most comments are informative, personal views or banter, this isn’t the “change the world society” as much as we may feel passionately about any given topic. I’m sure no rugby authority takes these comments particularly seriously.
@Bush: If I say anything about this, and not that I do know anything, I can just imagine the response. But what I will say, and I have said it many times, that kids have migrated to Grey from all over the country and even from beyond. I myself was a “migrant” from the coast and this has been ongoing for more than a century. Goodness, their hostels are historical monuments. Until recently, the hostels accommodated about 1/3 of the boys, but their capacity was increased to house about 40%.What I do know, is that the kids who are there, are kids who WANT to be there- not because they were lured there by money or bursaries. And by that Im not saying that there is not the odd needy child who is not given financial assistance, but I would not know.Its most unlikely that a boy playing rugby for the 4th team, will be enticed to move elsewhere, even with the promise of playing first team. The honour of just being AT GCB, is too great. And I dont mean this arrogantly- Im just telling you how the average Grey boy will think about it. In a nut shell, money and bursaries will attract the odd child, but that is NEVER going to ensure LOYALTY, the loyalty which I know, exists at Grey and continues to the grave. That is something for which there is no deliberate plan or “recipe”. It comes with time and develops over decades, but exactly how it begins, is a mystery.
@McCulleys Workshop: Sounds good to me. Isnt it more than just rugby i.e interaction, respect, forming, proud etc. If you just sit on your own ass throwing tantrums because you cant get what you want , how would you ever progress.
How many recreational events has died a slow death and gone forever from schools?
@Buddy: They go to Grey as they know Grey is the best and they want to be the best themselves. In u14 Grey can put together 3 teams with u13 Craven Week Players. Athletics needs to come back to KZN Schools.
Chatting to a few Grey parents, BOG can add his comment here. Grey don’t give out busaries or have to buy boys. I can’t comment on Paarl Boys or Paarl Gim. I would say if you have a son that is outstanding at sport or if he academic you would want him in a school with those standards.
@Greenman: So what you are suggesting is that the DOE should put out an edict that if you want to play rugby, you need to play against all opposition that elect to play against you, and if you don’t play against them, you can’t play rugby at all? Is that your suggestion?
@Bush: now this is a discussion.My first point would be to bring athletics back into our High schools.I am a firm believer that a good athlete makes a brilliant rugby player.
Our family hosted boys from Grey this year and they all played provincial rugby at U13 for different unions.So they just pitched up at Grey……?
My point is that Grey must be doing something right as they keep on producing class rugby athletes the same for Monnas ,Garsfontein and Menlo thats new to the party not mentioning the schools from the Cape
Now what is wrong with our KZN Schools??
I say when you identified your shortcomings make a plan and fill it.Once filled make sure you look after it and make sure you promote his talent the best you can.His name will be in your school hall forever!
@Bush: It really would be great to know why they don’t want to play us anymore. We just a school with kids that loves rugby. We do not operate outside of the law and recruiting is done by all schools. Maybe SARU/ DOE should provide direction. Play or you don’t play! Harsh but at this rate we will have to cross country.
@Buddy: Suppose you right, but is rugby the only thing in a school boys life? Hopper will now send a trillion other things that GW are pro at. Maybe the neighbors need to understand what makes Grey, Affies and Monnas so good overall. I know I haven’t mentioned the Paarl schools but we done really see them here in KZN.
@Bush: Not sure boet.Suppose I must dust of my Voyager Miles card and service the old Merc.
Sure the hopper or umbiloburger can help us with that info.Im just a avo waiting for the aromat
Very sad as I would expect our neighbors to adapt and at least try to keep up with the Jones.Rumour has it that Westville contracted the service of a very good coach anb scout from one of the Pta School.If correct well done !!!
@Buddy: Then you will have to go with Spear, if you lucky he may even catch a Tiger Shark for you barehanded. Any way back to the rugby side of things.
Are GW training hard at the moment for next year? If so, who are they going to play in KZN? As it seems like nobody in KZN wants to play them. GW are going to clock up the miles
@Buddy: Speartackle rules the Thirsty Whale, I’m too scared to go there. I don’t even go out for a movie in Toti. Buddy are you from the Toti Area? Seems like the whole Blog has moved to Toti. Tow Truck Drivers Hide Out
@Bush: Once again boet, Like you said let’s keep it our secret. Its easy to make a mickey of someone and call them names, I think we need to start respecting our neighbors and make sure that we rather give them a proper game to prove they are the best. Hands down Monnas,Grey and Affies teached Glenwood a couple of lessons and the best is the preparation to make sure that we can up our game next year.
I would much rather like to pick your brain on how to fix the selection process and KZN Rugby in general.
@Buddy: Jis Buddy and I’m thinking the whole time it was about my older son getting expelled from the Boarding Establishment for his involvement in the use of steroids. We challenged the manner in which he was expelled legally and he was exonerated for his crime. Or the fact that my younger son who at that time was in Grade 8 and had arranged a course of drugs through a 2nd Team player. All he had to was deliver the cash, which thankfully he backed out of doing otherwise I would have had two juice monkeys to deal with. Meanwhile, it’s all because I’m a secret GW supporter. Watching from the Ivan Clark I was supporting Grey, but we will keep that our secret. Lekker.
@Bush: Don’t worry boet.Thx for silently supporting GW.
Be careful of your twin as he is about to back you up.
Ok let’s get down to grassroots level. How do we fix KZN schoolboy Rugby? I know its Glenwood fault but lets for a moment forget about the Avocado and look at the Silver spoon for a solution…..
@Buddy: Yes, I was at the Ivan Clark with buddies, don’t know if they were Old Boys. I don’t think so. There is so much kuk on me, nothing is secret. All you have to do is Google. Please don’t spread rumours???????????
@Bush: Bahahaha, No boet just been part of the Avocado family for a long time and remember when Mr Bush was Mr Glenwood till……Did see you at the Grey match up with the old boys but like they say…..
@Buddy: Buddy I don’t keep secrets, I went to Ixopo High before doing a Post Matric at the greatest school in KZN. I managed to rescue my son from disaster and he is now also at the greatest school in KZN. If you had half a brain Buddy you would know I don’t own a silver spoon.
@Buddy: They have been tutored by Andre T in the art. At one stage, he managed about a dozen profiles out of his Krugersdorp dungeon. Two, would be a walk in the park. But I dont think they are one. The one is quite intelligent, and I shall leave it to you to decide which one
@Buddy: You’re think they’re bad???You should experience the Speartackle/AndreT split personality combo. A solid pair of tappets is needed to stomach that I tell ya
@Buddy: There is quiet a big jump from U16 to 1st team unless you are built like JJ.
Ja it’s not good when the Acting Headmaster has to come onto the field to tell Jonker to ref properly. Doesn’t go down well with the opposition parents, especially if they are from Blue Bull country.
So for next 3 years Affies won’t play GW. What were the scores overall against Affies. I suppose just the A team results counted. Everything else didn’t matter. Hopper I’m sure will supply those figures.
@Bush: If Boerboel can type such K@k I suppose we can only form that conclusion. For what I saw this year Affies was not able bring a matching game towards the U14 nor U16 and lost those games badly and that could also be the reason why they did not enjoy the gw expierence on and of the field. Affies coaches was more on the field with the U14 A game than their kids speaking to the ref and the Headmaster of Glenwood had to request them to leave the field and stop interfering.Or could it be that Mr Jonker Assisted with the U16 game and they lost due to that……
@McCulleys Workshop: Wgahahahahahshs I nearly rolled my bakkie again. The last time that happened to me was when I was watching Spear wrestle that Tiger Shark like a mountain goat.
@Grasshopper: I reckon it’s a bit harsh to say they feel off the cart. They lost to very strong Monnas, Affies and Grey sides. No shame in that. Maybe expectations were high, and some may say unrealistically so.
Any factual reasons out yet for why the Affies fixture has been scrapped?
@boerboel: Be very careful as the boys of Sunnyside would prefer to go to a world renowned academic/cultural institution like Affies. Think the Nigerian boys would love to put on a Wit Bul jersey. Mr Lesufi would love this…….
@boerboel: Could it be that your Affie parents just don’t like to host the players of colour or that your Waterkloof kid don’t like a good Bunny chow wen Glenwood is hosting.
I think that the Ballies were pissed by the time they tallied up the points and had double vision when counting KCs season !! Glenwood are the deserved winners of this Banter cup … KC and College tie 2nd as both lost 2 local games …. SBR in KZN is still about the banter and bragging rights for the next 12 months !! As @Grasshopper: says at least the Wood beat there traditional rivals so to are us KCOBs satisfied in beating Ville , College , MHS and HILTON on founders day !! That’s all the satisfaction needed !!
There is a lot of animosity towards Glenwood – some of it may be valid, but a lot of it is over the top.
Re this KZN award: Glenwood beat all their KZN opposition, while Kearsney lost to Glenwood by 14 points and to Hilton ( I’m told that the 1st game counts), so can someone please explain to me how Kearsney could be the winner in KZN.
Also, as far as I’m aware, the only top tier KZN school that Glenwood did not play was Hilton, but that should be automatic points for Glenwood as Hilton pulled out of the fixture. If you don’t front up then you should lose the points.
I do confess to having a small soft spot for Glenwood, as they did SA proud by winning SANIX and beating the Kiwi school champions comfortably during same. Anyone who belittles said achievement is both dishonest and unpatriotic in my opinion. Remember that the great HJS failed twice to win SANIX in the past five years!
@Playa: Maybe Kearsney did deserve it as they got progressively better as the season went on winning by quite big margins. Glenwood started well, won SANIX and then fell off the cart. I reckon if the Kearsney game had been played towards the end of the season Kearsney might have won the game. To many ifs, buts and maybe’s. I don’t like the rankings or awards, knowing we beat College, Ville and DHS is all an OB wants…
I’ll bet if you find one of the original ballies it was just an excuse for a piss up and shisa nyama. Then someone started taking it seriously and now we blog about it.
I’m only willing to discuss this over a beer … or two … or
@Rugger fan: @Vleis: @McCulleys Workshop: I myself am no huge fan of rankings. Further, Glenwood beat Kearsney so there can be no doubt that they were the better team.
But as I understand, this is a KZN only award, so Glenwood’s outside scalps do not count. Be that as it may, I reckon the flaw here is not specifying the minimum number of games a team has to play in order to be in contention – the ballies should have thought of that before tucking into those Hansas. I think BHP has a yardstick of 5 SA games played before a team can be considered in his ranking. But I guess none would have guessed the day would come when a team plays more games outside their province than they do locally. You can’t say Glenwood don’t match GCB in anything
I personally would have given it to Kearsney, as controversial as that may be…because in my view, (D) is the worst result for Glenwood and perceptions people already have about them. I hope, a lesson can be learned, and this award be scrapped. It really serves no purpose.
This is an inherent problem with rankings and awards – when there is a clear winner (like Michaelhouse being unbeaten in KZN last year – and even then Glenwood could have felt aggreived given some of their national scalps) it’s easier – but when no one is a clear winner – then the award is a little meaningless.
Why add an award – for what good reason? If you do want one – then make sure the criteria are set up front and can be clearly gauged. Like the SBR ranking on this site – pretty clear how the rankings are calculated (love them or hate them) – but no argument – unless you tweak the system.
So an award over a few beers by a few ballies – has about as much relevance and weight as the points on “Who’s Line is it Anyway?” we may as well give Port Shepstone High the accolade – as they had a pretty good win ration too
You cannot compare the class of a world renowned academic/cultural institution like Affies to the more practical/technically orientated nature of gw. It is….. Just different
Spoke to a affies parent this week. He told me they are cancelnig the gw matches because of the unsavoury behavior of the gw kids and parents on and off the field.
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED BUT THERE IS A FEEDBACK POLL RIGHT AT THE TOP
@Speartackle: Of n vark as n Franse poedel voorhou en aanbied.
@Speartackle: Kortliks vertaal: “Stront aanbied en verkoop” as iets goeds.@GreenBlooded: Dont think so, and hopefully Im right. I have a feeling that he could be one of Americas greatest presidents ever. But I must admit, I have been confronting American liberals quite extensively over the last several months and Im enjoying their distress tremendously. To see their arrogance disappearing with tears.
@Rottweiller:
Yeah – I was keynote speaker at the launch. That’s my Hopper moment for the day
We formed a partnership with Ubumbo the team I am involved in here in CT. This includes a bi-annual fixture between the two sides.
Does SARU pump money into this initiative?
Nope, not a cent, and they don’t want to. I would tell you why, but I may just get accused of making sh!t up again. Equally disappointing is that government plays no role either. Mostly from her own pocket and some corporates who chip in. What’s even more painful, is SARU’s continuous effort to shut the whole thing down. Harsh realities of rugby development in this country. But we push on, rather than whining. That is why I was so ecstatic when I was told they’d be playing at S John’s – I take my hat off to the school for affording that opportunity. I am sick and tired of seeing these invitation teams that get put together in a few days in an effort of showcasing ‘development’.
@Playa: Hi Playa I just went onto that Web Site. What a great initiative. I see they have been going since 2012.
Does SARU pump money into this initiative? I think KZN has something like this already. Join forces the bigger the better.
I caught a little of the Rugger show last night, which I think your buddies from Dale star in. They were showing old footage of WP League, EP etc, there was some skill there. We can’t go wrong with developing rugby skill here in SA. Black, White, Indian(I’m not sure here as I haven’t seen to many on the rugby playing fields) Coloured, Japanese and Chinese. We have tons of potential.
There is a kid from Toti. I used to help out at Toti Primary every now and again. My buddy from College was the Head Coach. This oke was tiny but hell he had such great ball skills. We made him jump in the lineouts. As he was light and he could catch anything that was thrown at him. He’s in Grade 10 I think, I just heard he made the SA u16/17 7’s side.
@BOG:
“Clinton,has been defeated and that Bonking Bill wont abuse the Oval office for his little pleasures again. ”
Big Don is going to get up to far worse in the Oval office I reckon. The female population of the greater Washington DC area are going to have to defend their honor like never before……
@Playa: I read an article about her initiative back in 2012. I remember her mentioning a few u/21 names as up and coming stars and penned the names down. None of these players are featured in any provincial set-ups that I can find 4 years down the line. My question is…could it be the actual ability of the players themselves or are they still experiencing discrimination?…They did mention that their EOTT team played a Falcons u/21 team and just lost by a point. Now not to be disrespectful towards the Falcons, but they are by no means the standard against which you want to measure your ability at that level.
I am asking this also because in this day and age, I can’t believe a coach or management will knowingly discriminate against a black player of equal ability when this is so vital for our country and our future and for their own success stories. If so, I am probably still a bit naive when it comes to selection policies because as a Coach, I will want to play the best players for my team to win. If they be black, white or green…If they are the best, they should play. They should also be given the same opportunities to develop those skills and therein I think lies our problem….
What is snake oil?
@Playa: again, how can applying a racist policy to correct an Imbalance be right. The past is the past, if the country wants harmony in sport & business it must have a merit system only. Plough all the funds into grassroots level and the cream will rise. Racist Administrators are dwindling away through attrition….
@Playa: No buyers of snake oil this morning, thank you.
@Playa: I’ll run it for her……will get a few Glenwood stars in it
@Speartackle: Hahahaha! She’s looking into a Durban Eye of The Tiger franchise – I will certainly keep you up to speed
@Playa: Don’t know if I’ll ever be able to leave the Republic of Natal again to watch all these festivals but if Miss Qegu ever visits Toti, I’ll take her to Waves. Lol…..you have my number….please pass it on to her
@McCulleys Workshop: @Speartackle: If this discussion was purely on discrimination in sport – it would be fruitful. We’d go somewhere. It is the nerve of some people to ignore certain things that we end up having an insulting situation. Earlier in this blog, I tried to engage on quotas and the racism in rugby the still exists. But no, this was thoroughly dismissed – I was accused of throwing a tantrum, being a cry baby, the “that happens to all whites as well” excuse came up, people said I was making that up, I was told to be playing the race card – and a blogger even suggested they know a lot more than I know on the one example I posted. For as long as there is a denial from white quarters that racism in previously ‘white only’ sports still exists, there will not be an end date to quotas. The same goes for BBBEEE and EE in corporate SA. If we are to have an honest discussion about the kak that goes on in our sport – including the political influence that discriminates – we need to listen to every side. Otherwise we will still be having this talk in 20 years. Look at only one side, and your kids will continue to ‘suffer’.
If any of you go to St John’s ERF next year. Do yourselves a favour – have a chat with the chairwoman of The Eye of The Tiger, Ms Viwe Qegu. She’s a former SARU exec – good friend of mine, and I work closely with her. She will tell you her story, and how EOTT started. If interested, get my details from Beet and I will gladly connect you with her, she’s always looking to engage. I won’t hold my breath waiting for those e-mails/messages though.
And FINALLY, my TRUMP card. Stop racism and interference in sport. LETS MAKE SA SPORT GREAT AGAIN !@Alan Morrissey: I have been following the American election campaign very closely for several months, and missed the “racist & bigot” bit. Im just very pleased to see that the supporter of baby genocide, Clinton,has been defeated and that Bonking Bill wont abuse the Oval office for his little pleasures again.
Now we have the biggest racist & bigot in the world as the U.S. president, sad times!
@Playa: Exactly Playa. The only time I felt sorry for DL was when he was not given medical parole. If it were not for the compassion of Mandela we (Witoes)would have been slaughter then already. Then Jubs would have had to find someone else to pick on.
@Gungets Tuft: @Ringo: I would spoil it if I added anything further.
@GreenBlooded: But you don’t seem to have a problem with him calling me a monkey/comrade/cadre, and stereotype me? That’s all above board to you? I know that refs don’t see everthing (I am a ref myself), but I have provided you with 13 of BOG’s quotes insulting me and other bloggers – but you choose my reference to him being a fan of DBL as the biggest evil????Get out of here!
@McCulleys Workshop:
Please refer to the posts supporting “GB the fact that you delicately pick up on facets of Bogs argument and cannot see the deep insult he presents, shows you how deep and subtly racism runs, obviously even within you”
I don’t need to follow BOG or anyone else. I have strong and long held views on BEE and Quotas in sport. You seem to be a ball-hair off calling me a racist. If having views like that makes me a racist – so be it. Bring on the lynch mob.
The major problem I had was with Playa’s Derby-Lewis jibe. Uncalled for and below the belt.
@Speartackle: exactly!
@Speartackle: spot on! One wrong doesn’t correct another…..simple as that…
If the entire national soccer, rugby, cricket teams consist of black, coloured, Indian South Africans and they are there on merit. I’ll still wave the SA flag.
As long as there is government interference in sport….it is racism
For how many more decades must I pay for the sins of my fore fathers?
@Speartackle: I understand and respect that.
Everybody is entitled to his/her view. Anybody can quote from which ever media they prefer but all I know is that discrimination in sport or the work place is wrong.
If you stand for that then it is your choice
I say NO to racism in sport
@Gungets Tuft: @BOG: @Ringo: @Playa: @GreenBlooded:
I think where Spear and GB have missed it in their posts to Playa is that it’s fine to address the issue of quotas in sport and 22 years later the seeming irrelevance of it (it would seem so in cricket – I’m not sure about rugby because the tentacles run deep as the preserve of Afrikanerdom) BUT, Bogs rants are demeaning and insulting to any black person. If you look at his remarks he is pointing to the failures north of us, which since independence from white rule, have failed economically and politically and he is saying – look, blacks cannot manage their affairs, it’s happened here here and here so it’s going to happen in SA, the government is useless (they are mainly black) the minister of sport is useless (he is black) the Transkei mussel pickers are destroying the habitat (they are stupid and black), blacks are communists, stoop to using magic and blacks were better off under apartheid. You tell a Jewish person they were better off under Nazi rule and see what legal action takes place. It’s absolutely atrocious and abusive and I choose as Gungets has to distance myself from the man. GB the fact that you delicately pick up on facets of Bogs argument and cannot see the deep insult he presents, shows you how deep and subtly racism runs, obviously even within you, and hence the possible need for extend quotas to ensure at some point a fair process. GT I salute you.
@Gungets Tuft: Kick him in his Lilly White Ass ????????????
@BOG: Saying “have a nice discussion” is not saying goodbye, and your last comment is insulting enough for me to have no leeway to let it rest.
THIS post of yours is racist, no matter how you look at it. It’s old style pre-1990 white paternalistic bullshit. “And tell your little snake oil selling friends …”, as if the white baas should be getting the “picanins” to shut up because they haven’t a clue. That as their “superior” I should be explaining that this forum doesn’t care what they say because they’re inferior thinkers, and that you have the fucking cheek to invoke my name in your little vomit party. Then you claim Clive Derby-Lewis was just a “white politician”, when he’s a self confessed racist murderer who has never once shown and ounce of remorse for killing the man who would have been president of this country before Jacob Zuma even occurred to people.
You claim to be not racist but this last post of yours proves it, and any person that read it without been kicked in the face by the racism of it needs some education on what systemic racism in South Africa looks and sounds like.
I know and socialize with quite a few people on this blog and may well burn a few bridges with this post, the hierarchy at the school I represent are probably going to wish my avatar was different, but so be it.
I’m saying this loud and clear. Don’t associate your stance, your support for “recently dead white politicians”, your factual Steve Hofmeyer, your dressed up notion of merit selection when you can’t imagine how much harder average black kids have to try to get to that level.
Don’t ever, EVER, invoke my name as you did in the post above this. We share nothing except the melanin levels of our skin. Take your dead white politician to Orania, I’m sure the nostalgia at the kroeg there is allowed during Misery Hour.
This should be considered a rhetorical post. I’m not changing my mind, I don’t expect you to, but expect me to take you on when you involve me. Leave me out, I’m sure that there are a few bloggers who share your views who are better examples of your ideals than me.
@Gungets Tuft: You have said goodbye so many times, that your threat is getting rather stale. Do it, so that I at least can believe you for once. I dont care if all the players in any sporting team are black, PROVIDING the racist regime have kept their filthy paws out of it.Or Indian or lesbians. Its that simple. And as long as there is interference, however, subtle, and that, they are not, then there will be interference and racism in sport. I challenge you to show me a comment where I was racist- but dont let that change your mind from departing for good, please. And tell your little snake oil selling friends, to stop making childish remarks about a white poltician who have passed away. I could reciprocate and align them with any number of gangsters in the regime who are masquerading as politicians. And for goodness sake, explain to them that other bloggers are not lining up for their signatures or their literary contributions. Their crap is not intellectually superior to mine, or yours, or Spears, or Hoppers—- They struggle with this and for some reason, think that they are up for an award for their contribution to sport/literacy.
@Ringo: Playa is the Blog Champ.
Hopper and BOG you can almost come home now:
Johannesburg – Broad-based black economic empowerment (BBBEE) is important; however, we need to rethink the current BBBEE model, according to former public protector Advocate Thuli Madonsela.
@Ringo: Sorry mate, Quotas and BEE are racist policies, full stop. When should they end? 100 years after the end of Apartheid. I may never understand the plight of the average South African in the past, but the one thing I do know is I don’t want my kids subjected to any discrimination going forward.
No good will ever come out of me posting any comment on this blog. Yet like an addict I keep coming back for more punishment. My wife implores me to never comments yet I do.
I will start by blowing my monthly smoke up @Playa’s behind , continue the good fight my good man. You are my hero
The blogger of the year award goes to at “Gungets Tuft” what a legend call a spade a spade. True African!!!!!!!! There is hope in our country because of people like you lets keep working at it and it will come right.
Unless I mistaken there is a certain person who said; loosely quoted “they will show us what fool’s gold the 5 nil ODI whitewash was when we face the real Australia in the test series and the quotas will be shown to be out their depth”.
That same person must be absolutely devastated at the performance that these quotas players are putting in. But you see that person is an all knowing and all seeing foreseer and brilliant factual Historian to boot. He will tell that one swallow does not…… cause he has the clear facts of history and the foresight of the future on his side.
If I was being too coy in my previous paragraph to the Bog’s and Alan’s ( and their many legions of fans on this platform according to these “esteemed” bloggers make up the majority of people on this blog) of this world I will say this for the rest of life you will never truly understand the impact of apartheid on the lives of average non-white South Africans.
And I will say this from the top of every soap -box I can find although they may be a little flawed and subjected to abuse by greedy corruptible individuals ( on both sides of the racial divide just for your information) policies like BBBEE and quotas are necessary evils in world certain gate keepers will tell you that a black mind is not designed to deal with complex numbers circa unnamed CTA lecturer at NWU-PUKKE or batting is not for black South Africans circa unnamed former SA cricketer.
I would like to express my disappointment in Juju’s disgusting comments. SA could be better society if we all strived for better including him. I personally did not hear them but if media reports are correct any retort of violent nature from a public figure should be dealt with severe consequences for them. Just my opinion.
@Greenblooded if only you should the same amount of passion to tell Bog off when he insinuating that I am a monkey or as he so nicely put it ” shook my cage”
Then there is Ian Chappell ” Ask the goats in his village how he became such a good bowler” WOW!!!!!!!
To top it off John Robbie on 702 this morning says or I think he was confusing KG with Makhaya.
I will adopt the default idiotic stance and say or maybe Ian Chappell is just a racist…..
That all form me for this month……
Oh Spear just forewarning we Darkies will be invading Totti for a weekend in early December warn the neighbours will definitely be loud
@beet: Only 103 comments to go to become the most popular thread ever, come on boet let us get to the top position :-)
@Gungets Tuft: Profound….
I think I will close this thread on Wednesday morning, so anyone wanting to add a comment here about the sensitive topic/s discussed, you don’t have much time to have a last say. Hopefully its something nice.
Then perhaps we should participate in a controversial poll or survey to determine who won, who lost etc.
@Gungets Tuft: That’s a great quote.
To quote Tim Minchin – an artist, musician and comedian. And somewhat of a hero of mine –
“A famous bon mot asserts that opinions are like arse-holes, in that everyone has one. There is great wisdom in this… but I would add that opinions differ significantly from arse-holes, in that yours should be constantly and thoroughly examined.
We must think critically, and not just about the ideas of others. Be hard on your beliefs. Take them out onto the verandah and beat them with a cricket bat.
Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privilege.
Most of society’s arguments are kept alive by a failure to acknowledge nuance. We tend to generate false dichotomies, then try to argue one point using two entirely different sets of assumptions, like two tennis players trying to win a match by hitting beautifully executed shots from either end of separate tennis courts. ”
Have a lovely discussion further.
@Greenman: Go to the peep show next door and watch Waterkloof slug it out with Garsfontien, that should entertain you. Or the not so secret secret reason why Dr E doesn’t want Affies to play other Pretoria schools, or why Garsfontein should stop poaching talented players of colour from WP schools… there many shows on the go. You can become the Sheriff of Garsies.
@Alan Morrissey: I have just wasted my employer’s time, but refer to below. I have even included some hits aimed at “liberals”:
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@Playa: Yep, good bloke and an old colleague of mine. Absolutely Queens rugby mad! Did a ride from Joburg to Queens for their OB Dinner for charity. Played 2nd team I think and was very quick. Now a little heavy for sprinting though. We had some good office rugby banter going…
@Alan Morrissey: The name rings a bell. I don’t know him personally – he was a few years ahead – 96/98 if I am not mistaken
All this political rubbish! I thought we agreed to walk away from it and talk rugby. Now we back again!
@Greenman: Who is?
You all full of shit man!
@Playa: Lwandile Qokweni?
@Alan Morrissey: Eish no. Do you have a name? Or would you like me to find out?
@Playa: Off topic, do you know a Queens Old Boy working at MEC Global on the Vodacom Account?
@GreenBlooded: You obviously give me too much credit, and you underestimate your IQ greatly, because I would love to hear what that reason might be. Truth is I think he is a conservative, and he has said it himself. That is why I own the statement. I am not afraid to state any other reason, if any. I honestly don’t. I have said that I am willing to apologise if I misunderstood. That is for him to refute.
Interestingly, you featured in the convos where I was called a comrade, cadre, (assuming that I am an ANC supporter) a sangoma, a jumper on varsity property (stereotyping). But those went unnoticed. Neither did you come out when GT, Star and Roger were on the receiving of some distasteful Joe Slovo jibes.
As for my references on #2022 – I am expecting some “It was said in jest” comments as usual.
Tell me again where I threw a race card? I wasn’t raised to, I wasn’t educated to, and I will not start at this ‘old’ age.
@Playa:
You are lying!! The CDL jibe had nothing to do with being a liberal or a conservative. I think we both know that. I’ll leave it there.
On this blog, like in broader society, there is no shortage of people ready to challenge white bigots. Bloggers, journalists, social commentators, politicians, prosecutors, jurists – you name it. I’m just trying to balance things by challenging black bigots like Malema, Khumalo and countless others which go largely unchallenged.
I think it was the late Christopher Hitchens, one of the great intellectuals of the 20th century in my view, that said something to the effect of “Of all the things that annoy me, it is the lazy argument that annoys me most.” Playing the race card is the laziest of them all. Your obvious intellect should be above that sort of thing. Don’t let yourself down………
@Playa: He wasn’t calling you that, he was calling the people doing it that, very different. People here attack Bog, but don’t shoot the messenger. His points are mostly valid, we can’t all be positive about SA, the indicators are all pointing in one direction. He is just trying to provide some balance to the wonderful bubbles some Saffa’s live in. I follow Ryk Neethling on Twitter and he posted a pic of friends and family (happy in the sun, running in the gardens and drinking wine – another kak day in Africa type post) at Val de Vie, another one of SA’s cookoo-land bubbles. Real life outside of Val de Vie isn’t like that. You see you can control what happens in the bubble but when the bath water is rancid and dirty that bubble will pop and guess what, you stuck in it. Another high level industry colleague of mine surfaced in NZ yesterday, the brain drain continues……
@GreenBlooded: I gave you my reason – believe it, don’t believe, that is on you. I have also owned it by giving you my reason. I have further said that if he comes out to say he not a conservative – whether I believe him or not – I will humbly apologise and retract. Regardless of his continual reference to me as a cadre, a monkey that jumps on varsity tables and a hooligan that destroys property. You probably missed those, but if you didn’t, it would have been nice to have you reprimand him as you are doing with me.
@Playa:
No, no, no Boss. We both know that’s not what the CDL jibe was about. I know I’ve only got a room temperature IQ, but even I am not fooled by that cover up. You said it so either retract it or own it.
Here is a classic example we lose Roelof Smit, our only fetcher on tour. Kwagga Smit is probably next in line. They pick Cassiem who is not a fetcher. Cassiem is a very good player, but greenhorn. I think he has played only a few seasons at Currie Cup level. He helped make the quota. If we go into the game this weekend with no one to compete at the breakdown we stuffed. Whiteley can do it to some degree so maybe he should shift to flank. PSTD must play loose forward.
@GreenBlooded: If I have ever called anyone here a racist, I will take out a second bond, and treat you and your wife to a week in Mauritius (I don’t think I can stretch myself any further than that unfortunately). Even when Hopper had his moment of madness – I didn’t. I have tried more times than I can count to engage BOG on just his arguments. The fact is, he is the one who resorts to name calling and stereotyping the moment he is ‘angered’ by a warped, idiotic and uninformed view. An act I consider to be just as cowardly as pulling the race card.
now I will wait for BOG to confirm if he considers himself a liberal or a conservative. If he is neither, I will humbly apologise for my Clive Derby-Lewis jibe.
@star: Absolutely!
@Playa:
I think my post 2013 has it covered. Thanks anyway.
@Rottweiller:
“Hell who hasn’t driven passed an overturned Beer Truck and stashed a few crates onto the back of your bakkie.” – not me. Do you? I don’t take what is not mine. Ever.
I’m not suggesting that Playa supports Jub’s comments. What I am pointing out is that it is SO easy for a white person to be branded racist – it’s almost a cowardly way to argue, Just accuse the white person of being racist and you’ve won – a method of combat which some on this blog seem quite happy to engage in. If you want to debate – don’t use the equivalent of a nuclear weapon to silence those with dissenting views. Attack their arguments (ou GT has done that admirably) – it takes a little more effort but the results are more satisfying. Simply crying ‘racist’ is the lazy, cowardly way out.
@GreenBlooded: “You want to anger a conservative, lie to him. You want to anger a liberal, tell him the truth.” – BOG on #1927
I’ll give you 2 guesses which of those BOG falls under
Clive Derby-Lewis was a Conservative Party member, wasn’t he?
I didn’t associate him with anything he hasn’t associated himself with
Why did BOG have to posted those links on his thread #1947. There was no need for it. Unless he was trying to prove or get his point across about the state of SA and how the people that run our beautiful country behave. “Have I not told you remaining whites get out while you can!!!!!!”
Hell who hasn’t driven passed an overturned Beer Truck and stashed a few crates onto the back of your bakkie. If I had driven past that truck I would have walked away with skin for the dash board of my bakkie.
Regarding Jubs comment they are disgusting and I’m sure Playa doesn’t and won’t stand for that.
The negativeness has been going on here for around 4 weeks. No matter how SA tries to turn the corner.
The win that the Proteas achieved was amazing, the fact that SA is united with SAVE SA is mind blowing. But then there is always the negative OKE
@Playa:
“Or maybe he is just mourning the death of Clive Derby-Lewis…I don’t know ” – what the hell is that??
@star: well said, although I doubt Westville would beat Grey across the board ?. All anybody wants is a team picked on merit. It really doesn’t matter what colour they are. It’s not like Kagiso Rabada is previously disadvantaged, crikey he went to Saints. Bog’s issue like mine is discrimination in work and sport.
@GreenBlooded: If I ever said anything that remotely supports Juju, then I would say that you have just made a fair comment. I’m not discussing Juju or Sparrow – happy to if you want, but it may not make for much entertainment as we will agree on a lot. Hopper and BOG make their own beds. I have been painted as a comrade, cadre, monkey, sangoma, clown – I didn’t see you coming out to say I am far less racist than Steve Hofmeyer. But maybe you don’t believe I am, or maybe that didn’t matter. I don’t see what Juju utters has anything to do with me. But like I said, I am happy to discuss if you so wish.
@Playa: I remember Bog’s reaction when I challenged him with the possibility that across the sporting board Westville could beat his beloved Grey College. It was met with almost animosity and distain. Bog definitely has his flaws but who on this blog is without “sin”. GT mentions KG,JP,KM and Bavuma. I bet there is not one person on this blog(including ou Bog) that does not agree that they are the primary reason for that incredible outcome. The problem is that while they are there quite obviously on merit they are still quota players as by definition they are meeting a quota. Surely they deserve better than that.
@Playa:
I see ou Jubs has called for a delay to the proposed ‘slaughtering of white people’. I wonder if he is going to face Penny Sparrow-like consequences for saying what is FAR more racist than her idiotic rant? I doubt it. But let’s keep up the efforts of painting Hopper and BOG as card carrying members of the KKK.
@Speartackle: I am, and I have said so countless times on this very platform over a period of time.
In #1947 – one line is dedicated to that topic, the rest of it is political, i.e. outside of sport – this is where I tend to disagree with him – his doom predictions, his ludicrous claims that are unsubstantiated.What BOG does is that the moment one challenges his political ‘ideologies’, that equates to disagreeing with everything else under the sky…this is when those people get accused of supporting racial discrimination in sport – the darkie gets called a comrade/cadre, the whities are bestowed with being called ‘clowns’, or the more acceptable (though very loaded) name Joe Slovo. Head in the sand, head up the ass…now for the first time, I am getting smoke blown up my ass.
@Playa: I read in post 1947 that he is against racial discrimination in sport………….aren’t you also?
@Speartackle: You may have missed the post some time back where ou BOG said that “for as long as there is a quota system in place, there is no black player picked or employed on merit” – go figure.
If you want to point a finger at someone who brings up the race card at every chance he gets…look no further than ou BOG. Post #2000 is a case in point, as no one had engaged anything race related since his so called “last contribution” on post #1947. And how he was prompted to spew what he just spewed is beyond me. I reckon the Proteas win has only just hit him now, and he cannot fathom how 18/20 wickets were taken by players of colour. Or maybe he is just mourning the death of Clive Derby-Lewis…I don’t know
@Gungets Tuft: I have to defend my best mate BOG here……I have been reading his crap for almost 7 years now but I have never read that he ever said there shouldn’t be players of colour in any teams ON MERIT……..yes maybe not quotas ,,,,,,but on merit….most definitely.
It’s been more than 20 years now since being previously disavantaged……..it’s time we move on and start picking teams on merit.
And don’t come with that snot now that BOG will say no players of colour should be in a team…..there will always be unhappy supporters in sport…..whether they support black or white, Blue or Red, Liverpool or Millwall, Mickelson or Woods, Glenwood or Michaelhouse…….I feel its time to stop playing the race card
Rather play your Trump card
@BOG: Get The Buccaneer to start a pole (sic). I know how I’m voting. But then I’m just blowing smoke …
Which one of the “quota players” would you drop from the Protea squad, KG, JP, KM or Temba. Suggest you consult the actual scorecard before you answer …
@Playa: And you REALLY think that your crap is superior to mine and that bloggers are lining up to see what you have to say in defense of discrimination in sport? No Sunshine, just a handful who like blowing smoke up your ass. Dont BS yourself.
@Greenman: Exactly, as a GW supporter you would know the team was far better than the 2nd half of the season…
@Playa: or D, all of the above. I think it’s time we became more inclusive.
@Playa: Again it depends on perspective and which side of the fence you sit. One should always play devils advocate…
@Alan Morrissey: So because of this, they are both “the best team” and “most overrated team” of the year in your view??? Sounds like you’re in disagreement with yourself. When in doubt, always choose “C” – None of the Above, mate.
@Alan Morrissey: Glenwood also had two seasons. Before Japan and after Japan. I think Kamikaze went to their heads. Great team that left came back lost! It will be different this year, I am sure and hopeful. At least the trophy case is not empty.
@Playa: @Alan Morrissey: Hops, at least you keep me entertained, I’m losing weight, I don’t have to drink anymore for my humor or clock in to Comedy Central, you really have got these guys eating out of your hand (hope you’ve washed it), haha and they all think you are being serious!
@Playa: I think it’s about perspective, for Glenwood playing 18 winning 15 and losing 3 with a 83% win ratio, that is considered an excellent season. Also ranking in the Top 20 again, some sites Top 10 is a huge improvement from last year. So that said they could be team of the year. BUT losing to Monnas 15-40, Affies 0-63 and Grey 10-39 they were far off the Top 5 pace. I think the 0-63 loss was the biggest ever vs Affies. So it was certainly a season of 2 halves. Glenwood probably have always been a Top50 school and more recently Top30 so to expect them to really challenge the Top5 is asking too much. However, they have in the past come up with shock wins.
@Alan Morrissey: So you nominated GW for Team of the Year on Ruggas, and now you have them down as the Most Overrated on here. I’ll just take that part of your post, along with a few other ‘nominations’ as having being said in jest, because I do not know you to suffer from multi-personality disorder.
@Playa: Game of the year, maybe Boishaai vs Affies or Grey Bloem vs Affies, that was Grey Bloem in sublime form. Disappointment for the year was the Glenwood vs Dale game which was expected to be far closer. Lucky win of the year, Glenwood vs DHS, that should have been lost. Most improved team, Dale College for 2nd half of the season. Best drilled team, for me it was SACS. Disappointing team of the year, Westville. Overated team of the year, Glenwood. Derby we all want to see, Monnas vs Affies. Poachers of the year, KES for the two Jeppe kids.
@Alan Morrissey: Why on earth would I suggest a Glenwood bias or sarcasm when you have just shown clearly that you aren’t biased at all and you’ve acknowledged it. It’s a slam dunk, you are now welcome to Bush’s Christmas party. Please bring the gammon, and don’t eat it!
@Alan Morrissey: I checked the link you sent – you didn’t submit nominations only in the categories where GW was not represented, i.e. Rugby Player of the Year, Most Valuable Player of the Year & Rugby School of the Year. Don’t worry, I don’t think it’s a symptom of green glass syndrome, it’s just coincidence
@Playa: There were a few other categories where I didn’t submit anything and I obviously didn’t nominate myself…
@Alan Morrissey: So you had a Glenwood nomination in every category where Glenwood featured? But to be fair, I see you left yourself out for the Rugby Oom nomination
@McCulleys Workshop: Not sure if you being sarcastic or not, but someone had to nominate Glenwood players. In the vote they never featured, but genuinely I still think JJ and Maarten were the two genuinely SA level players this year. JJ will be next year too. The No8 PJ at Monnas is going to be immense.
@McCulleys Workshop: Yep, ask Ruggas. @Ruggascoza on Twitter. I think I also nominated Liam Larkan. I was really impressed with the Monnas pack that mauled Glenwood.
@Alan Morrissey: You really are proving to be unbiased – those are amazingly unpatriotic choices!
@Alan Morrissey: Were those really your picks or are you pulling the piss?
@McCulleys Workshop: Guess who I nominated and voted for in the Ruggas Awards; http://www.ruggas.co.za/?p=9778. Ask Ruggas himself for proof.
Backline Player of the Year
Gianni Lombaard (Boishaai)
Maarten Hotzhausen (Glenwood)
Forward of the Year
JJ Van Der Mescht (Glenwood)
Dylan Richardson (Kearsney)
PJ Botha (Monnas)
Nathan Macbeth (Monnas)
Salmaan Moerat (Boishaai)
Cabous Eloff (Affies)
Rugby Team of the Year
Boishaai
Glenwood
Rugby Coach of the Year
Rudi Dames (Glenwood)
Sean Erasmus (Boishaai)
Rugby Oom of the Year
Beet
You see not so green-tinted. Obviously I will have a slight bias towards my team, but who wouldn’t.
@Speartackle: Yes Spear true story. Toti has never been the same since you arrived. Even the White Foam that upsets Hopper has retracted itself and moved on
@McCulleys: I don’t think those green glasses will ever get lighter. No matter the debate around GW. School yard Bully.
Bush/Rottweiler/Boerboel/a few other avatars in the past must have multiple personality disorder. How do you manage so many of them. Easily talk the same ‘kuk’ and it’s easy. I may have Green glasses like any House supporter has Japanese glasses, I won’t be a supporter if I didnt. I do recognise plenty of talent outside of Glenwood in KZN and expressed here.
Bush said he didn’t want to be friends with me anymore……I’m bad influence.
@McCulleys Workshop:
About time too. Michaelhouse must collectively cringe at some of his disgusting remarks on here. Definitely not one of their finest specimens. Straight out of the gutter.
@McCulleys Workshop: Phansi Sheriff phansi
@Bwana: I think @Bushweiller got red carded by the Sheriff.
@McCulleys Workshop: Not a foghorn?
@Bwana: Definitly the guy with the biggest whistle.
@McCulleys Workshop: Who is the Friar Tuck in this analogy? Or should it be the Sheriff of Nottingham?
@Playa: #Hoppersgotnewglasses
@Alan Morrissey: ok, 4 yes, 1 abstain or spoilt vote, and 1 no (but you can’t vote for yourself al la King 111). So it’s easy, we are just requesting that you change the tint ever so slightly so you can see where you are going in Sherwood Forrest.
@Playa: Classic! Made me laugh….
@McCulleys Workshop: well that was a bit obvious, the usual ‘anti-me anti GW’ suspects would support your view. I bet if Beet trawled through all the comments I have given plenty compliments to non Glenwood players and schools. It’s funny how those things can be ignored when your agenda is all anti Glenwood.
@McCulleys Workshop: LOL!
#NotJustARuggaSchool
@McCulleys Workshop: Most definitely, dark green I’d say. Have to consult my Munsell colour chart for confirmation
@BOG: Why you spend so much time with uninformed idiots with warped opinions is beyond me. I can’t say your contributions will be missed
@Bwana: So is that a yes he does have green glasses?
@McCulleys Workshop: Karrent comment on the colour, but I think he needs to get the prescription tested … seems to battle with long distance vision …
@Alan Morrissey: And the KZN fixtures are diminishing due to their own actions and arrogance. They have made their bed and they must sleep in it. Regarding you not being judged in the UK, do not count your chickens as the Poms can be xenophobic and very much anti-foreigners especially as UKIP makes gains on the political front. I have never been judged here in SA maybe its because of my thick skin and ability to put my head down and get on with it. Opportunities aplenty here in the Republic. The right attitude is key as well as the ability to converse in a local language.
@McCulleys Workshop: Did you just say pole??????. Hopper is not a blogger, he’s only on here to have his say about how great GW is. Therefore my conclusion: He certainly does wear green glasses.
@McCulleys Workshop: I actually said Weideman, Vorster & Brummer should never have made KZN, not good enough.
@Alan Morrissey: Ok – quick pole here – anyone – does Hopper have green glasses?
@McCulleys Workshop: that’s the thing I do all the time! RG Buthelezi at DHS, Richardson at Kearsney etc. it seems bloggers don’t fully read my posts. I thought Moberley was an excellent captain s few years ago. I certainly don’t have green glasses, I support them but have no personal interest in them. I watched Palvie in grade 11, thought he was immense. The thing is as Glenwood’s KZN fixtures diminish its harder to judge other KZN schools talent…
@Alan Morrissey: Nope, you have the wrong blogger there! There is another who knows all about that vintage. I know a little about it and watched a few of their games, but probably watched more games of a guy called Bush who used to be on this blog. I’m suggesting that you try and take your green glasses off every once in awhile, not give up supporting the machine, why should you. But being able to recognize the talent at other schools and highlight it isn’t a crime either, I don’t think you will be banned from the Bat and Badger.
@McCulleys Workshop: I will if you stop harping on about the amazing 2007/2008 House team who you obviously had some personal interest in as that is all you quote. Your request is basically to stop talking about Glenwood, but who am I supposed to talk about?
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahahahaha internet Smurfs at work
@Rottweiller: SA Postal service Boet, its slow. You got caught up in US Postal Services.
@McCulleys Workshop: Eish they are gone. I was hoping they would inspire us to all be friends. Like breaking bread or sharing a leg of one of those cows in BOGs post. How come his post didn’t disappear???
@Rottweiller: Kingsley, is that you! What happened to your songs of peace and love?
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahaha nearly rolled my Jeep
@Rottweiller: Lol, Rotti you new here but you have obviously been stalking for awhile now.
@Alan Morrissey: Hops, I’ll refrain from calling you anything, if you refrain from telling us about your degree, your weight, your career, your car, your IQ, your EQ, or the private school choice for juniors 1 and 2, or your view on “make SA great again”. That’s a fair deal, although I might have a comment about all things Green when that gets rammed at me…
and that’s it! can we get to what really matters! Much more interesting and every one can participate.
@Greenman: Agree, so ALL bloggers must refrain from personal attacks and name calling, including me. Really simple rule.
And this is my very last contribution on this matter. I made reference to Africa shaking people from their sleep and these two reports, is much in line with that. I dont deny anyone an opinion, however warped, uninformed or idiotic it may be. For all I care, you can live on the Somali coast or in Syria and defend your decision to do so. You can think that communism creates a workers paradise (there are actually some who thinks so), for all I care. But dont come here and flog snake oil on behalf of the regime by defending racial discrimination in sport- thats where it started.Then you must expect an opposing opinion and resistance. And that includes subtleties in doing so. First the sorry tale of Mozambique-a country near to my heart and which held out so much promise, is heading south again. When greed kills a nation, indeed a continent. http://www.news24.com/Opinions/Voices/when-greed-kills-a-nation-20161104
And yet another sorry tale. One hour-10 Cattle. vaalweekblad.com/13778/een-uur-tien-beeste-video-en-fotos-jannie-du-plessis/
@Greenman: 100%
Hi All. Plse remember this is a schoolboyrugbyblog. What you busy with is personal vendettas. Plse find another forum for your hatred. Here we talk about rugby! This is getting ridiculous.
@beet: if you step back and evaluate the blog, we (incl me) are a little sad. Passing time by blogging about complete rubbish. Bush & Boerboel have successfully pushed their anti me & anti Glenwood agenda so far it’s made the discussion very childish. For me the blog is starting to run its course when people start getting personal. So these guys have probably achieved what they wanted. It’s funny I bet if we all met in a pub somewhere we would probably all get on, even with Bush & Boerboel. Over and out…
LISTEN ALL
Please remember to channel your negative comments towards attacking or disagreeing with the opinion/s posted and not the person/s delivering the opinion/s.
When it gets to a stage where you feel you need to personally insult or threaten someone with a different opinion to yours, it probably means you’re losing the debate if you can still call it that.
@Bwana: absolutely loving the colder weather, 1st world services, safety, security & most importantly the equality. Not judged for being white is amazing, not having to be on alert 24/7 is liberating. It’s wonderful! I do miss SA but you see my kids and their future come first. I willing to sacrifice having beaches & good weather for their future…
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@Bwana: Yes my brother?????????? Viva SA Viva. Go Pirates
@Grasshopper: The ref was on their side. Luck of the Irish.
Go AB’s viva SA viva????????????????
@Grasshopper: Used it innocently but I thought when you were doing your blue collar employment your co-workers were your friends? What would their thoughts be when you used h##top? Bit it’s OK you were called mlungu. Did you have a few Soweto dumpies with your friends? Whenever someone has a go at you you immediately question their intelligence or speak down at them by calling them “boet”. You cannot take criticism or look at views which are different to yours. Fortunately there is a some positivity here in the sunny Republic at the moment. There is a dim light at the end of the tunnel and I will gladly take that. Enjoy the cold climes of the UK, it’s only going to get colder and darker as more Farage’s emerge to make Britain great again
@Grasshopper: No racist. You used that word knowing exactly what you were saying. Like a typical racist you have tried to deflect the incident. Why get personal towards people, like my brother McCulley. Only because you can’t debate and take constructive criticism. You only know McCulley as you follow Spear on Twatter. Please let’s hear another story about how great you are, the bad childhood life you had growing up on the Bluff. The reason why you ran from SA.
Proud to be Irish this morning ?
@Bush: shows you’ve been here for a short while. I bring facts, results and figures. You are the one who has a chip on their shoulder about Glenwood. Nearly every post is anti Glenwood. Anyway no point in engaging with you….
@Bush: firstly I’m not racist, I used a word innocently not knowing its history, negative towards the negative things going on in SA and aggressive yes, when idiots like you start talking about people’s sisters and mothers in a derogatory way.
@Grasshopper: Wow Racist, what value do you add. You get aggressive, personal and racist. You are the troll on this blog. Let’s hear another story of how great you are and what a bad life you have had. Then you found GW, this blog and BOG
@GreenBlooded: Thanks GB, look for where I went into the gutter? Old Bushie’s every post is a related to something sexual, a personal attack or something sarcastic or negative. I don’t think he has ever added anything factual, positive or intelligent. He is troll.
@GreenBlooded: So it’s fine to be racist, negative and aggressive. There’s no ashame in that. The moment someone stands against that, you blow your whistle. Sounds fair to me.
@GreenBlooded: Thanks for the advice Chief.
@Grasshopper: @Bush:
Fokkit man!! You two jokers need to listen to yourselves. Seriously – go back and read your posts. You should both be downright ashamed of yourselves.
@BOG: Because there’s nothing to refute. Every one of those links is a prediction, not a situation. Not onesies backed up by proper data.
We will run into a fiscal cliff – but have we?
We are going to borrow from the IMF – but have we?
X% of kids want to leave – but have they?
You lied about the number of white squatters and are still to retract. If you’re not willing to retract a blatant lie that everyone can see except you. You claim AfricaCheck is a government mouthpiece along with international aid organizations, yet claim that Steve Hofmeyer is factual. You read theoretical economic predictions – every one of them with a caveat – as confirmation of your cataclysmic world – but forget to engage reason and observation.
What is the possibility of a rational conversation with you. In 6 months your hero RW Johnson is going to be proved wrong, waarheen gaan jy dan spring?
Run Henny Penny, run and tell the king.
Klaar gepraat
As Clark Gable would have said today, Bhwahahahahahahahaha!!! You lot are presented with the truth and your best response is incoherent mumbling. GT could not find ONE of the 48, so I gave him several. And I could have given him a link for all 48. And by the way, the 48 were taken randomly. I could have given 148, even 248. And his response? “One goes back to 2012” Really??? Anyway, what you do confirm, is the truth in the following: You want to anger a conservative, lie to him. You want to anger a liberal, tell him the truth. But in conclusion, this. Africa has this “nasty” habit of shaking people from their sleep, and for anyone who will live longer than 5-7 yrs,you are destined to experience what Im saying. As they all did in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Angola, Malawi, Mozambique— There is not a SINGLE reason why SA would be an exception. Africa Addio !!!
@Bush: change your name to phallicfixation, old Boerboel will like that. Nobody cares mate….
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@Bush: you certainly are a Dwaf! ?
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@Bush: very mature responses, probably time to head to bed Kabouter….
@Grasshopper: Yes. edited
@Bush: have you grown at all since then, doesn’t seem so…both mentally & physically….
@Grasshopper: I was 9 when your Mom was giving out cookies to kids. I won’t say what you were doing at the back of the Bus. F you sick
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@Grasshopper: I was 9 then
@Bush: very mature. She is happily married to a Pom living in NZ…
@Grasshopper: Hard Luck?
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@Bush: my mother passed away when I was 11, so not sure how she was baking you cookies. Maybe space cake green cookies for you….
@Bush: Boet, you tiny! Even ou Spear and baldy man Mc are taller than you, big chip it seems….
@Grasshopper: I only became a Prop after all the cookies I was a Wing
@Bush: nope, it’s called clever…
@Grasshopper:Whahahahaha
@Bush: I bet my old mate Dom Sjunka scrummed you into the earth and threw you out of 80’s a few times….?
@Grasshopper: I think running to the UK is a Mid Life FUk. I’m still here in SA voting DA
@Bush: old porcelain is the most overated player ever, a lovely guy but that’s it. I probably threw you and your rough mates out of Billy’s, Wonderbar & Night Fever too…
@Grasshopper: At least he was Captain of SA before sore Arm Whitely. One for our book, FYSTR.
@Bush: laughing from a 5foot10 middle aged ‘mid life crisis’ gnome is hilarious…
@Bush: porcelain Pat not so hot today, I think even Fred Zellwinger would have done better. Anybody who uses the term ‘kuk’ is lower class and not worth the energy really…
@Grasshopper: Well, I’ll let your post stand on its own, without any color from me!
@Grasshopper: Whahahshaha
@Bush: what you on about, in a drunken stupor again. I don’t need to fight you, it would be like bull fighting. I’m a mature adult, I don’t need to fight. But really a drunken bearded fella is really the easiest thing to deal with. I was a doorman at Crash in the Station for a while, dealt with stooges like you often, not needing to revert to violence…
@McCulleys Workshop: thanks boet, just showing your arrogance. My EQ is actually better than my IQ, but I won’t post either. No one cares which is rely fine by me. My success is life isn’t judged by anyone on a blog, it’s judged by myself & my family. Your opinions mean nothing…
@Grasshopper: I wouldn’t post your IQ either, if it’s high, none of us will believe it. However your EQ has been demonstrated regularly, you don’t need to post that, nor the car you drive, nor the 20 year old you can afford to drink, nor information on your qualification, nor your job title, nor how many people you manage, nor any information on your physical form or prowess, nor anything on the schools you can afford to send your kids to, nor your achievements at school.
@sewes: There is only room for one view here. No-one doubts that elements of what Gob says are true, and that we as a nation are facing dire challenges, that don’t bear repeating on this Blog as we are confronted by them daily, HOWEVER, I cannot recollect any occasion where Gob has conceded any other parties point, not once. And that degree of fervent fundamentalism and belief in ones own truth even with evidence to the contrary, or no evidence at all, just speculation, can’t be fixed with a tablet.
I would like to state my case in “ingels” so bear with my spelling and structure for I am a boer I think every one is intitelde to his opinion so is @Bog I do not agree with every thing he says but there is reality in some we must remember that we will always disagree because we come from different back grounds our cultures and metodes differs to great frustration of as all ,some want more black players and some more white players we have to find a mid way and this is not only a black \white thing just look a the blog commen sence must prevale .
@GreenBlooded: My buddy not at all. Not even close to that area. I’m just done with the underlining threats, the aggression and the negativeness. If you want all of that in your face. I’m game to give an Irish Handshake any time.
After my account was hacked there won’t be any remorse in the morning.
How was your birthday? What school is your son at?
@Bush:
Guess who has been at the Thirsty Whale all afternoon…….
Bloggers remorse in the morning….. 
@Grasshopper: edited
@Bwana: if you think using my name will make a difference, it won’t. I’m proud of who I am and my achievements. I won’t post my IQ as that would be arrogant. Bog raises valid points and so does Playa, the truth sits somewhere in between….
@Grasshopper: jeepers Alan if that is thick then I still have quite a way to reach your level or lack thereof of intelligence. As for your charity work was that you trying to balance your karma as we all know deep down you are a racist bigot? I see BOG is trying to say that the water crisis is relatively new. As a water expert with my finger on the pulse in the industry, SA has always been a water stressed country which is further exacerbated due to climate variability. The trouble going on in the mining areas is a result of poor water and waste management with most of the problems predating 1994. Look for an article by Tony Turton from 2008, it is explained in terms even Hopper would understand
@Grasshopper: hello pot this is kettle.
@McCulleys Workshop: don’t even put me in that OCD league. Boggie I get your point, but your last few points were a tad excessive. Now we got baldy and Smurf lumping me with you in the bunker.
@Roger: When all else fails he can move in with Hops, and do a proper conversion on him.
@Playa: @Gungets Tuft: he’s way beyond help – reminds me of those Nazis who escaped Germany after WW2 and set up little enclaves in Argentine, Chile and Peru where they sat around drinking Weisbeer reminiscing about the 4th Reich. I think there is an Afrikaans / Boer colony in Chile somewhere-the remnants of POW’s from the Anglo Boer War – perhaps Oom Bog could join them – although their enlightened ancestors must just tell him to ‘eff off too!
@BOG: My God!!!! You seriously need help.
@BOG: One of those is from 2012
RW Johnson has 6 months left for his prediction.
Please can you show me the list of names of black people killed by whites in the same period. Surprise yourself that it’s general lawlessness and not a genocide.
In the meantime, I’ve just watched JP Duminy, that quota player, go to his hundred in Perth, Dean Elgar (who should have left the country ages ago with all those kids that wanted to leave in 2012) is on 99.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. It’s all about the wolf you feed. I strongly, strongly suggest you find somewhere that makes you happy. It’s tough though, because it’s quite likely that wherever you end up you’ll be looking over your shoulder justifying your decision, and moaning about your new hosts.
PS – Dean Elgar just got his 100 as well.
@Gungets Tuft: You continue to illustrate how naive you really are. Africa Check, along with SA People, Homecoming revolution, are all regime fronts. So no, Im not interested. You cant find ANY of the 48 links? Did you use “Africa check”???? Here are just a few. SA rapidly approching fiscal cliff. http://www.fin24.com/Economy?SA-rapidly-approaching-fiscal-cliff-expert-20150203. SA burns as Zuma misleads. http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2015/02/02/sa-burns-as-zuma-misleads-in-davos List of Whites killed— dailykenn.blogspot.com/2015/03/heres-list-of-whites-murdered-by-blacks.html?m=1 More Indian and white youths want to leave SA http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/11/21/more-white-indian-youth-want-to-leave-south-africa-survey Forget about the drain Brain. Corporate SA is leaving— http://www.biznews.com/columnists/cees-bruggemans/2014/09/03/story-south-africa-fat-cats-mixed-messages-brilliant-econ Magnus Heystek, SA on road to bankruptcy– http://www.biznes.com/thought-leaders/2015/11/06/magnus-heystek-sa-is-on-the-road-to-bankruptcy-now-gradually-soon-suddenly Cry the Beloved Country David Hersch blogs.timesofisrael.com/cry-the-beloved-country-indeed/ Asking RW Johnson why does SA have only 2 yrs left. http://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2015/06/01/andrew-donaldson-asking-rw-johnson-why-sa-only-has-two-years-left/ The ZAR could hit R60 to $ by 2019 businesstech.co.za/news/business/123593/the-rand-could-hit-r60-to-the-dollar-by-2019-chris-hart/ SA 5th most miserable nation— http://www.rdm.co.za/politics/2016/05/13/sa-unemployment-worse-than-under-apartheid And you could not find any? Or because you did not WANT to find them? Or did you look in the rubbish bin?
@BOG: Ohh my word, Africacheck a regime front and UNICEF an unreliable source, I’m weeping with pure joy, and still looking for a single ….. JUST ONE … source for the 48 Theses Of Bog. Sorry man, I’ve actually changed my mind, you’re not just mistaken or a little pissed off, you’re deluded, in need of medical intervention.
Just about AfricaCheck – would a “regime front” publish any of the links below, or are they just red herrings, like the black kids you claim to support??
https://africacheck.org/reports/do-40000-whites-own-80-of-sa-the-claim-is-incorrect/
https://africacheck.org/reports/mantashes-reported-no-fee-school-claim-not-supported-data/
https://africacheck.org/reports/is-the-anc-advancing-peoples-power-we-fact-check-key-election-claims/
Ag, you won’t bother, but check the whole lot for yourself, after you medicate. https://africacheck.org/tag/anc/
You’re a miserable character, there’s no non-medical way of intervening. Have a fantastic weekend.
Your responses have yet again, just confirmed your “head in the ass” mentality. These were just random selection of reports which appear everyday and which you, obviously, choose to glance over. They did not originate from some “right wing” source, but from your every day media, ones which you yourself, obviously ignore and avoid. Personally, I dont care if you live in Somalia, but as long as you act as apologists and denialists for the corrupt and incompetent regime in SA, you must expect a response.@Gungets Tuft: For someone who uses Wiki, Africa Check and Unicef as “reliable” sources, Im surprized that you would single out Steve Hofmeyr. Despite being singled out by smut sources like Africa Check- a regime front, and demonized by them, I have yet come across anything which he has said which is NOT factual. You may not like it, but as you have proven, that does not make it wrong.
@BOG: F#%k me Bru, you’ve just lined up 48 credible citations you have got to cite to stop us assuming you’re mentally disturbed or just talking crap again. I’m going with just talking crap, mainly just because you have yet to quote Siener Van Rensburg or Steve Hofmeyer.
@BOG: Jihne!!!
cheese and rice Bog you are a miserable bugger. Bottom line chum, if you choose to go looking for bad news, you will find it – no matter whether you live in Sydney, South Boston, Central Park, Seoul or South Africa. Call me an ostrich or jackal or head up my ass or whatever – the fundamental difference between you and me is that I tend to believe the glass is half full – whether I live in outer Beirut, downtown Kabul, central Aleppo or northern suburbs Johannesburg – that won’t change – and I’m guessing – neither will you
Yesterday, I referred to jackals who go into a feeding frenzy, are inclined to bite each other, because they close their eyes. That was well illustrated this morning, when one jackal tried to align himself with another, against me and the latter one thought that he was the one being bitten. Classic and thanks for the demonstration of what I said. It was also said that I live in a bunker, 30 mtrs under the ground.So, I took a random glance at some of the reports in recent times-not from some “right-wing” sites, but your average media outlets, and the question that came up with me, was, who the hell are the ones who are living in a bunker, 30 mtrs below the surface? Not only in the bunker, but also wearing shades and blinkers and to make absolutely sure that no light enters, with their heads up their asses. Before the list, just this. You know Chelsey Davie, old girl friend of Prince Harry? Her daddy is flourishing in Zim, because he is happy to lick Bobs ass and line his pockets. But his day is coming. A quick list. 1) SA rapidly approaching fiscal cliff. 2) SA burns as Zuma misleads; 3) Proof of orchestrated killings of whites; 4) Is this the end of SA? ;5) List of whites killed in SA; 6)SA crime compared to US; 7)Perspective by Dr Marc Faber ; 8)More Indian and white youth want to leave SA; 9) I killed them because they are white; 10)Murders of SA whites hidden fraudulent “natural deaths” certificates; 11)Water, SAs next crisis; 12)Forget about brain drain. Corporate SA is leaving the country; 13)Worst period in SAs history ;14) SA is unraveling- Adam Habib 15)SA sleepwalking into disaster; 16)SA unemployment worse than at end of apartheid; 17)Apartheids “Bantu education”was better than now- leading SA black academic. 18)Magnus Heystek-SA on road to bankruptcy; 19)Time to stop pretending that SA is great; 20)Cry, the Beloved Country- David Hersch 21)Foreign investors see writing on the wall 22) Destruction of Limpopo game parks 23)SAs move assets abroad at record pace; 24) ZAR plunges to new low; 25) 85 000 jobs to go at Anglo; 26) Asking RW Johnson; 27)Investors have given up on SA; 28) Whites killed in SA; 29) Greatest racists in ANC; 30) Numerous cases of black racism; 31)Double standards- black racism; 32) The Rand bites the rich as SAs flee the country; 33)SAs doomsday clock-Howard Feldman; 34) Crime stats in SA; 35)Why Barclays is selling Absa; 36) High net-worth individuals are fleeing SA as they did in Zim; 37) SAs debt already priced for junk; Number of SAs selling property and emigrating, on the rise; 39)SA foreign tourism, continues to decline; 40)Most stressed countries- SA 2nd ; 41) SA worlds worst place for children; 42) The ZAR ???43) Map shows where SAs skilled workers are going to; 44) SAs young white population shrinking; 45)SA the third most dangerous country; 46) SAs say life was better before ANC; 47)The ZaR could hit R60 to$ by 2019; 48) SA 5th most miserable nation-unemployment worse than under apartheid; 49) Afrikaner community forcibly removed. And so I could carry on. I challenge you to look at these headings and to ask yourself if this is a “normal” society? . If you are doing well, very good. But—
@GreenBlooded: Happy Birthday and congrats on Boys prefect appointment. Does he play rugby?
@Ploegskaar: They’ve all done very well, worked hard and been smart. I know the main Bluff guy, same as Cambridge and now Oxford, or Boxer. I suppose it’s professionals or employees that see and feel it differently and have a greater sense of being trapped. I consult to business owners and am amazed every day at their business ideas and how they make money.
@Ploegskaar: For sure, there is always a way to adapt. “Mind Of A Fox” book written by Clem Sunter.
@Bush: No, manufacturing, manufacturing distribution and retail is largely limited to the WC. Imp/ex division does a percentage of business via Durban port to Gauteng, Zim, Botswana, Mozambique and Zambia though. Interestingly enough KZN has it’s own share of independent white owned manufacturing and retail businesses, Jawulani, Bluff/Mndeni Meats, Chester Meats and Frey’s coming to mind. Seems a lot of white people are doing ok, everywhere, in just one industry, despite BEE and AA and without BEE accreditation
@Grasshopper: Whahahahaha Hopper. FFS why????
@Bush: yes Smurf!
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahaha nearly rolled my Jeep. He’s picked up a few pounds since then but he’s still in great shape. Now with that Movember the chicks will be all over him. He better stock up on the Black Cat
@Ploegskaar: ??????????. Well done I love success stories. Do you supply here to the Last Outpost. The final English Frontier?
@Bush: Dude, that’s classic, I can’t believe you tracked Hopper down!
Some people watch soap operas. I just read the blog. Great entertainment!!
@Bush: BBQ, Spare Rib & Peri-Peri basting, tomato sauce, chutney, mustard and mayo, retail and catering format, branded as St. Louis. 80% of production sold to our own retails, at a pleasant margin, and then over the counter to our valued clients at a affordable yet acceptable margin. That’s the vertically integrated bit. If you sell enough of something, you should make it yourself, despite being white, Portuguese or Afrikaans
@Speartackle: Hou jou bek…we’re not useless…we’re just lazy, ok
@McCulleys Workshop: Hopper vs Boerboel https://youtu.be/NXkdrdtGZJc
Hopper like always has the chick
@Speartackle: Especially in the West Rand..
@Grasshopper: i dont like to bully fat kids
@Grasshopper:
They hit the deck harder at altitude
Ag no man….Amla 0 & 1…..since his move to Cobras he has become just as useless as the Capies
@boerboel: That’s the point, tell me your name and let’s meet to discuss your insults in person. Maybe next time I’m in the Cape, would be good.
@Grasshopper: Kung Fu Panda, you now think you are in a peanut butter Ad?
@Grasshopper: Say what?!?! really???
@Ploegskaar: I hope its Worcestershire Sauce
@Grasshopper: Vertically integrated Food imp/ex, logistics, manufacturing and retail business. Which started as a small manufacturing operation (now operating 2 processing plants), opened one retail outlet (which has since grown to 25), added the imp/ex division, added logistics (one small cold store and 2 refrigerated trucks have increased to 9000mt company owned capacity and a fleet of 40 refrigerated trucks) and recently even diversified into sauce manufacturing (2000l/day). One step at a time
@Grasshopper:an internet hardman
obviously hitting a couple of softspots judging by your juvenile reaction
@Grasshopper: Not really Hopper. Think of his outlet distribution in if he wants to go big. Woolworths, Makro, Shoprite, PnP. I’m sure all of these companies would require BBBBBBEEEE compliant companies as suppliers. The only way to avoid this is to look at export. Or to have developed something totally unique that only you have.
@Bush: No it’s because Boerboel is an irritating twat that wriles people up by attacking them personally.
@Grasshopper: Hey slow down karate kid. Whats with the violence. Is it due to your up bringing in a violent country that you carry this inside you. You should be mellow now that you are in the UK. But then maybe you are hanging around Camden.
@Ploegskaar: I’m guessing that is a Vineyard of some sort with that sort of turnover in the Boland. If so, that is a completely different sector to that of commerce.
Bwahahahah…..this so funny……..I almost rolled my 5 o’ clock shadow
Some say…..”In order for a white person to “make it” in SA, with all its racist labour laws, it requires compromise, sucking up and a willingness to laugh at silly littlle (sic) stale jokes to be “politically correct”, invariably a lie, of course. One also needs to comply with racist laws/regulations like AA, BEE, BEEEEE— mostly happy to comply as long as own interests are served and own bacon preserved.”
Then again, you could also grow a humble start-up, founded in 1990, from 10 employees and 6Mil TO/annum to a thriving business in 2016 with 800 employees doing 1.5Bil TO/annum, and that with many many white and Afrikaans employees, a zero BEE score and no government contracts.
So, it would seem that you can “make it” in SA because of hard work, focus, dedication, drive and making the right decisions at the right time after all. But let’s not get distracted, good news makes for bad press.
@boerboel: If 1,93cm and 108kg is fat then half the world’s international rugby players are fat. Nope, there were 5 of us but I don’t need to prove that to an idiot. I have completed 2 Argus and 2 London to Brighton, so yes I must be obese. You a flippin coward, too scared to give your name but love to cause kak here. If you said that to me in person you would be on the floor in about 0.5 of a second eating the sand like a dog…
@Grasshopper: It would be great if that backline got given the freedom to play their natural game.
@GreenBlooded: Happy birthday mate….how was your Maurituis holiday?
@Grasshopper: i saw the ridiculous photograph with you and your fattie friends
dont fool yourself-you are fat
so i was right with the website thing-i presume you were the only employee-thus the “md” title?
no rightminded employer would hire somebody who spends half his life stalking rugbywebsites and the other half eating
@boerboel: Again mate, not sure where you getting fatso from, BMI of 25 is good and body fat % of 18% isn’t bad. It’s not the 8% I had when playing rugby but for my age is fine. Yes, a moustache for Movember in support of my father-in-law battling bowel cancer and other family members who have been affected, you should try it sometime. Yes MD of a digital analytics and Audience Measurement company in SA who tracks ALL SA websites.
@GreenBlooded: HAPPY BIRTHDAY and well done
@Grasshopper:a fatso chickenrunner with a moustache?
Md of a digital company-website designer?
Good week for Greenblooded, birthday today and his lightie announced as a prefect earlier in the week!
@BoishaaiPa: Eeisch, that’s embarrassing. Sorry man, I’m a little sensitive at the moment. I’ll fix that with my first weekend off in 2 months this weekend.
@Grasshopper: Send us a pic
@Speartackle: not too bad, shaved on the 1st so not cheating like most guys who started in Sept.
@Grasshopper: The bookies have the Boks to win by 7. I think the Boks will get hammered. So my money is on the BaaBaas. It will be great if the Boks come out and run everything from all angles. But they going to take it like they are playing a World Cup Final.
@Grasshopper: How is Movember coming along?
@Playa: it’s Sean but you close ?
@BOG: I certainly did try and loved it! I lost a few friends along the way in cold blood, but Saffas are numb. They just blow it off. Sadness and memorials for a few weeks then forgotten. Death seems the norm, either it be on the roads due to wreck less driving from taxis or hijackings, murder & rape etc. I was closely effected by media personality Gordan Pattison being murdered protecting his wife then a good old friend in Gary Mackay. Yes it has the best weather, best scenery, best beaches BUT it has the worst leadership and crime too. I wanted to come back and see for myself. I did, but one cannot stay on a sinking ship. Anyway, let’s move on to topics related to rugby. Loving the Boks side for tomorrow, looks youthful and exciting!
@BOG: I never claimed to. But I’ll tell you what, I make an effort to listen – where I disagree, I try to seek common ground, and not just dismiss as rubbish.
@Gungets Tuft: LOL! I think you misread BHP’s post
@Bwana: Inconsistency is Hopper’s middle name
why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2010/01/anc-stole-my-dream-why-i-emigrated.html
@Gungets Tuft: No matter what I present to you, you will reject, because it does not support your little agenda. But then you are quick to quote Africa check, the most blatant cover propaganda for the regime, and the ultimate, the den of political prostitutes, Unicef !!!! @Bwana: We dont know what the hardships are or were in the townships. But lets keep perspective. More than 7 million (black) Africans from all over the continent, came to live in SA, under apartheid, often illegally, to escape even worse conditions elsewhere on the continent. And for those who want to dispute this, consult another agency of the den of prostitutes, the UNHCR.
In order for a white person to “make it” in SA, with all its racist labour laws,it requires compromise, sucking up and a willingness to laugh at silly littlle stale jokes to be “politically correct”, invariably a lie, of course. One also needs to comply with racist laws/regulations like AA, BEE, BEEEEE— mostly happy to comply as long as own interests are served and own bacon preserved. Like the Quislings in Norway, the Vichy government in France and the uncle Toms in the Soviet satellite states of Eastern Europe, this can work-for a while. Even now, there are whites in Zim who are hobnobbing with the criminal, Mugabe, and living well, as a result, in all the misery. But its Africa, and it will change. The one thing I have to say about Grasshopper, is that he did try.A year before he returned to SA, right here, I continuously warned him against the pitfalls and the challenges of racist SA, but he was adament that he was going to try and make things work, and Im sure, he did. But alas,the realities of Africa got to him, is it will, to all, eventually. I have posted this before, but its very appropriate, an article by Bertus de Villiers, a “legal eagle” from Pretoria, who lives in Perth. It appeared in Beeld in 2010, and is translated. why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2010/01/anc-stole-my-dream-why-i-emigrated.html
@Riempies: Yes ou Riempies, this will go on and on and on and nobody will, can, shall convince me of anything I have experienced, are experiencing or still will experience.
I lived with it in the past……..living with it now
All I remember are those words of Mandela……never ever again…..shall one be oppressed by another
A wound must heel at some point………….maar as jy aanhou die rofie afkrap……gaan die litteteken altyd agterbly
@Bwana: How thick can you get. The guys at work were my friends so the term coming from them was said in jest as they explained it to me. It’s like African Amercians calling each other the N word. Sitting in the UK, yes for the amazingly long time of 3 months. I lived in SA for 3.5 years prior to that and 22 years prior to that. I know what’s going on. You have absolutely no idea what Township charity work I’ve done…..
@Bwana: Thanks……nice bowling from him…..also a useful batsman
@Speartackle: Spies good attempt to get them of this subject. Cannot believe they still going on and on and on and on!!
Don’t know when they will realize that the one will not convince the other. And still have boggerol to do with SBR!!!
@Speartackle: Northwood Spear
Protea bowlers showing huge heart after Steyn’s injury………Maharaj jou lekker ding
Which school did Maharaj go to?
@Playa: I remember early on in this discussion Hopper said Mlungu was an insult, now it is a joke. His yarns are about as consistent as Zwane’s visits to the shebeen in Saxonwold. As white South Africans we do not know the hardships and problems that our fellow South Africans in the townships inherited. But hey he can sit in the UK and state that he knows what poor Andile in Imbali is going through.
@Gungets Tuft:
13.50….
You nearly have me a heart attack!
@Gungets Tuft: Woah Boy! Ease up on that trigger finger. BHP was referring to the real “chosen one”. But you can be him for today if you want!
@Gungets Tuft: I was not referring to you…you have misread my message totally!
@BoishaaiPa: Where did I reference “the rest of us”. Bog has trotted out big numbers from a discredited report and then ignores all the evidence from scholarly reports that his sources are just wrong. You’re in danger of doing the same thing. Attack my argument, you’ve leaped into this feet first by simply getting personal.
If you believe what Bog does, then my self righteous rant applies to anyone who can’t back up their claims without evidence. My use of 1,830,000 living informally was deliberate, there’s no distinction in poverty, it’s a miserable state of affairs, but there’s no target here.
Me – my optimism springs from a judiciary that is operating according to our constitution, something that is not common in Africa, nor the rest of the world. There will be swings right and left, but there are also limits that work. The Rand at R14.50 this morning is evidence, along with the signs that further improvement is eminent. Greenblooded will be ever to look at the charts and tell you why.
Now I’m going to take my self righteous carcass off to do some work. Hamster on a wheel I tell ja.
@Gungets Tuft: You should realize by now that there is only ever one person who knows everything and who is always correct and who’s sources are the only correct and reliable ones. The rest of us are all blind and stupid and its a miracle we can actually get up in the morning and do something useful. The epitome of self-righteous behavior if I ever seen it!..
@BOG: Bullshit boyo, you have no credible sources. If you did you wouldn’t be trotting out the same old Praag/Infowars rhetoric with no substance. The white people who are living informally now would have been living out of dumpsters had the Nats still be in power, because modern trains don’t need “wheel tappers” any more.
The more you talk the more we all know you’ve got zip other than a massive bag of chips plakked on your shoulders.
@Ploegskaar: Thanks, I’ve tried Makro but they don’t stock it. Will give the online purchase from the Estate a bash. It’s a great life we have in SA. ??????????. I had a buddy from Boland, he played CW for Boland in 92. We were in the army together. They owned the Botrivier Hotel he was a top class oke.
@Playa: @Gungets Tuft: I dont think that you realise it, but you both , probably inadvertently, confirmed my point.@Playa: And you continue to say that whites do not understand the struggles blacks had. That might be true, but neither do you understand the struggles whites are having PRESENTLY under the regime.@Grasshopper: No use arguing. They have to justify what they are doing and thinking, and those, “who have made it”, will think that its all to do with their “unique attributes”. In a nutshell, they are living in a world of denial and illusion, and the ONLY thing that will wake them up from their deep slumber, is what woke people up in countries, beyond the northern borders of SA- the unfolding and developing REALITIES. I can give them a list of “links”from prominent and credible commentators, but even that wont serve any purpose- as they have proven.
@Playa: oh yes I do but I’m not getting into a childish my father is bigger than your father sort of debate. I have visited all the large townships in SA from Soweto to Khayaletsha to Umlazi to Mtubatuba & Butterworth. Some of the smaller ones in the sticks to those in the northern Cape. The one thing I can say is I have actually traveled my own country….
@Grasshopper: Trust me it’s correct when it comes to SA.I don’t have an opinion on the rest of the world because I haven’t been there much.School me on the world.But you have no idea of what SA is.
@Playa: having visited close to 40 countries and lived in 5, I don’t think naive is the correct term to use….
@Grasshopper: Well your stance on certain matters suggests you’re naive on quite a lot.I’ll leave it there.R1.2m a year in SA….believe you me i would have my un laws living with me and still have a Hansa as often as i currently do.Heck i coukd even help Spear out with those Toti mamas from time to time
@Playa: you haven’t got a clue where I’ve been or what I’ve seen. Trust me, having been in India I’ve seen far worse than the townships in SA. Let’s leave it there…
@Ploegskaar: I think it was Henry Ford who said “Whether you believe you can, or you believe you can’t, you will be right”.
@Grasshopper: Problem 1…the claim to have seen it all.No you have not seen it all.Neither have I and neither has BOG.In 98 if my maths is correct,you would have been in your 2nd year of your first Ecos degree right?Do not dare and ever equate your position to a darkie you just picked up for work who locked your arse in a fun way.Not after the nonsense you carry on to spew.You don’t know their struggle,you only know yours.Let’s please settle on that.
@Bush: You have to shop local or online. I prefer taking a drive via Worcester to Robertson and on to the R317 to Bonnievale, to buy directly from the cellar, while stopping off at Nuy and Graham Beck on the way for good measure. It’s a tough life
@Playa: and this friend came stone last at Westville, barely passing Matric but he chose a niche sector, refrigeration mechanics. He is now so sort after he is earning that kind of money as a blue collar working with his hands. In terms of struggle I have seen it all. I was a driver for aircon ducting manufacturer earning R8 an hour in 1998. I picked up our labourers from Umlazi. I had a good relationship with all the men, they used to call me Umlungu (in a fun way) and kehla. I heard their daily struggles. They were earning the same as me….
@Grasshopper: My wife and I combined don’t make R1.2mill.We barely see our son,but the beach with him down the road is a happy time.Our nanny lives on R40k a year.I wish i could afford to pay her more.She’s the same age as my mom.First time she saw the beach was 3 years ago.She’s from the EC.Her flights home and back twice a year are on me.It’s a squeeze. She has a bit with a master’s in civil engineering.He’s my age.He’s unemployed.Daughter who is a qualified nurse.She’s unemployed.Unrelated to this I drive past a dude who lives in Joe Slovo Park with a masters in Actuarial Science….hes unemployed.
Don’t racialise your problems.BEE and EE bad as they are,they are not an excuse.R1.2m and living in Ballito….and struggling….fuck please give me that struggle.Don’t ever throw such as examples again,they speak to the wrong problems of this country.
@Ploegskaar: that is very true…
@Grasshopper: I was not looking for kudos, just stressing my point that you can do what you think you can do, and will only fail if you think you can’t
@Gungets Tuft: all of them, everyone has lost credibility and experienced lecturers. It’s not just about the violence there now, they broken to the core.
@Ploegskaar: well done, my story was far tougher than that and I ended up being the MD of a great digital business aged 34. Tough Irish Saffas are up there. I chose to leave a very good job to come to the UK, because as a Economics graduate the indicators are all not good. But everyone here claims to be an expert. It’s funny how many economists we have here. You are one of the lucky ones……
@Ploegskaar: Flip that a great wine. Where can I buy some? We get it here but only in selected places and it’s flipping polony expensive.
@Grasshopper: Can you name the broken varsities?
No sooner will Zuma go, and he’s going, than the shit at the varsities will stop. It’s all a smokescreen to take the focus off Zuma. My views of what’s going on coincides with this article.
http://www.rdm.co.za/politics/2016/10/03/no-spin-doctor-can-save-zuma-and-his-grubby-little-dictator
@Bush: No bud, it’s just another story, but I chose to right it myself. I will first sink another Springfield Wholeberry and then get stuck into The Court of the Red Tsar, which is just riveting and not much dissimilar to Churchill which I finished a few weeks ago ?
@Grasshopper: The data on 700,000 – 800,000 whites living in poverty wasn’t AMPS, it was badly gathered data interpreted even more badly. It’s been thoroughly discredited. In terms of this discussion, as long as Bog believes that while people are being gathered in concentration camps the arguments are so far apart there will never be a chance of agreement. My argument is not with you, although I believe your predictions of decline are incorrect, my argument is about crap data. And it’s over, because I starting to irritate myself with my repetition, I can only imagine everyone else.
@Grasshopper: I matriculated in ’92, graduated in ’95, got married in ’96 & had a very much unplanned 1st one in that year with a pittance for pay, a study loan that ate 25% of that pittance after tax and no trust fund or helping hand from either of our parents. 20 years later I pay more than half of what your tjom makes in taxes. I made it here despite being poor, white & Afrikaans, only because I wanted to. And my girls wil make it here as well, because they want to. That’s how us tough Africans roll, not?
@Ploegskaar: That’s a success story of note. Excuses are for losers. Lekker stadium your school has. Good night off to bed and to read my book: Blood on their Hands
@Ploegskaar: it’s not about excuses it’s about policy.
@Bush: All my white Afrikaans forefathers, including my parents, were too poor to afford polony, during the good old Apartheid days. Irony is that I, notwithstanding being born into poverty and being very much white and Afrikaans in these “trying times”, have done so well that I feed my dogs polony. So, moral of the story is probably people that don’t make it will always have excuses: race, language, beard or whatever
@Gungets Tuft: and the biggie, which broken Varsity does he go to?
@Ploegskaar: Was his real name Charles. At least you didn’t roll your polony.
@GreenBlooded: Any chance of a Sunset clause for BEE had been set back 20 years by the Zuma administration. It’s ironic though, BEE hadn’t really helped black people either because the absence of economic growth has lead to increased unemployment all round.
Your lighties are going to be just fine, because you’ve got what it takes to prepare them for the challenges. The challenge is not going to BEE, it’s going to be adaptability to change. Not political, that’s taken for granted, but technological. The logical will (along with the bold) always be successful.
@Bush: Really ??? I almost rolled your grandfather’s gin bottle which “Charles” used to pour him on the veranda
So, 22 years on less than 1% of the white population reside in informal settlements, while around 22% of the black population recide in just the biggest known informal settlements
@Gungets Tuft: I certainly know it’s not 200,000 or 400,000 white in poverty. For all of AMPs flaws, hence it being ditched, it did show trends. The trend is towards a growing LSM 1-3 for whites, which has been caused partially by BEE. What is encouraging though is an increasing number of LSM 7 to 10 blacks, but is that through hard work and opportunity or BEE. My calculated estimate of impoverished whites is still around 40k. A drop in the ocean vs non white communities
@GreenBlooded: Good I’m glad. Lets move on. Next topic.
@Grasshopper: I strongly suggest that you research apartheid. If you think apartheid was about job reservation then your history lessons were incomplete.
Who knows what the circumstances are that lead to white people long in poverty, but I’m putting my money on an absence of any education and any good parenting. Add addiction and mental illness to the mix and 30,000 people is not a big number. It’s too big, the target for people living in squalor can never be bigger than 0. I do know this, the historical advantage that any white person in South Africa over 18 has, hard to see how they haven’t turned that into a modicum of success. I’m not in favor of BEE in any form, I just can’t see that it can be seen as the only reason to live in informal settlements.
Bottom line, Bog has no credible sources for his information, something that a data analyst such as yourself should find disturbing, not encouraging.
@Bush:
OK got it. You agree that it’s okay to severely discriminate against young white kids based on what some other dead white people did many moons ago. Thanks.
@GreenBlooded: Sorry I didn’t know you asked a question. I feel he’s not been punished. It’s the times we live in. Just like the poor Old English man that knocked on all the State owned companies’ doors during Apartheid.
@BOG: You have a link to that announcement…. I’d like to see it. Reliable information is always useful.
I have a mate that sells security fencing, perhaps he can get an in to sell the material that keeps the inmates prisoner.
@Grasshopper: We deal with Blue Chip companies so have to be correct. Yes you are right. Why should our kids be punished.
Certain people benefited solely during Apartheid. Now things don’t suit them so its racist.
@Bush:
“He has many black friends…..”
You didn’t really answer my question.
@Grasshopper:
“How long should it apply”. I recall some years ago the then Minister of Finance was asked this question. His response was “Get a life”.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/job-equity-whingers-told-to-get-a-life-318842
@GreenBlooded: No because I developed my company to suit the changes.
He’s is faced with those challenges already. He plays club cricket for an Indian Club and has many Black friends. Which is awesome and Rainbow.
I’m English and have been faced with many challenges through my career path. I still managed to get by and put food on the table. It’s not about pointing fingers but moving on.
@Bush: you can duck the issue of a one man band, I think the threshold is around 10 bar a year turnover. Otherwise you going to have to bring in non white employees to meet requirement. Don’t even get me started on Gov tender requirements. You probably one of those small companies flying under the radar. If you work in big brands or corporate world unfortunately being a young white male is a hazard but being a black female in a wheelchair you smiling. Why should this affect our kids 20 plus years after apartheid was abolished? How long should it apply? The world needs to stand up against this….
@Bush:
It doesn’t bother you because you are established in whatever it is that you do. You don’t have to forge a future and a career. Try explaining this to your lighty and you’ll get some perspective. Tell him that he has to be heaps better than a black guy to get a job/apprenticeship/spot at university/business opportunity etc etc etc. Tell him the reason is that a bunch of people with the same complexion as he has did some really bad shit many many decades before he was born. And then tell him it’s not racist.
@Grasshopper: It’s not unique to SA many neighboring countries follow the same route.
Why does it bother BOG and you? What about in the dark ages Iscor, Telkom, The Post Office, SAA, Transwerk-Railways and Sasol. Employed majority Afrikaans people in the elite positions. The rest got the kuk jobs. Let’s not even talk about the Army and Police Services. If you managed to make the cut to go on JL’s all your lectures were only in Afrikaans. It never bothered me. Nether does BBBEEE or AA. Develop your company to suit those requirements.
@Gungets Tuft: I get what Boggie is getting at, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand it. There probably isn’t an official term for it as BEEBEEEBEEBEBEBEBEBBBBEEEBBE is unique to SA. It’s enforced poverty brought upon by a racist policy to not hire on merit but more on race. So these individual’s (who didn’t choose to be that colour at birth) are forced to live in squalor, usually in groups of the same race for protection. It’s exactly the same as apartheid really…
@Playa: Yes boet, because the kids preferred the pool…….classic….
@BOG: Concentration camp – “a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.”
I think you’re struggling with the words “deliberately” and “imprisoned”, to say nothing of forced labour or awaiting mass execution. Please bud, you’re really not helping yourself here. I’m willing to bet most, if not all, of them are on social welfare just the same as the 1.8 million non-white people who live informally. Are they also in “concentration camps” or have they chosen to live like they do. You’re starting to sound like David Duke.
@BOG: A ghetto is NOT a concentration camp.That is all.
@Playa: How many times should I still explain to you that there are several methods to force a group into a ghetto? Load them on a truck or pass racist labour legislation which will deny breadwinners an income. Different methods, same result. If you want to add to GTs R25 000 which, hopefully, he will be giving to the poor, let him know. The need is dire.
@Grasshopper: I have just read a comment in Aussiekamers, that a Saffa in Australia, a CEO of an Australian company, signed a deal with a company in SA. The morons in SA then insisted that the Australian company proves that they are BEE compliant. So, the rest of the world must meet SAs requirements. I think its time for the rest to reciprocate. Only allow exports from SA if that business can prove that they do not discriminate on the basis of race through AA and BEE. That will set the cat among the pigeons, wont it?
@BOG: CONCENTRATION camps??? Again???
Corroborate your claims, and I promise you I will make Gungets disappear.
@Grasshopper:
Hopper said:”Guess how many times I went to the beach in that year? Maybe 5, as it’s a huge schlep with the kids”
With that, I will go and have an ice cold Charles Glass invention…and shove it down my pipe
@boerboel: You refer to my child-like comment, but how else do you expect to be responded to? Let me give you some advice for the very last time. Go and read what Chris Hart said, but also Magnus Heystek, RW Johnson, Jesse Columbo, Marc Faber—. You are farting against thunder, Sunshine. Oh, and what was GCBs winning rate in their away games?@Gungets Tuft: I have told you repeatedly, that I dont have to prove a thing to you. You are obviously comfortable with your head in the sand, but if you really have a desire to help the needy, there are more than enough in your immediate area. Let us know how it went. I know that there is a colony of needy kids in Tweni if you want to take a drive. But it was announced in the last week, that there are now more than 260 such concentration camps around SA
@Roger: Yep, but they not here at Unilever, it wasn’t a company transfer china…
@Grasshopper: c’mon Hopper – Unilever employs expats all over the world chum -I have a mate who went from London to Durban to Switzerland to Argentina – he loves the adventure.
Bad example
@Playa: It is and certainly not me if that is what you inferring. My kids and wife are priority. I told that too my VP of Sales. I won’t do black tie dinners etc so I can be home for bath time….so stick that in your pipe….
@Grasshopper: “Sounds like the kind of oke that thinks taking his kids to the beach is too much admin” …. I don’t think the reference was to your mate here
Now…to go shopping for that good old fashioned wooden pencil
@Gungets Tuft: Admin is the wrong word, not enough time as he is literally on constant standby. On 1.2 million and the only bread winner he lives well but not over the top. In JHB some of my friends are on 2 bar plus and still not lavish.
@Grasshopper: If your mate can’t live on R1.2 million a year he’s a twat. Not the kind of example you should be quoting. Sounds like the kind of oke that thinks taking his kids to the beach is too much admin …
@BOG: My project went live on Monday. It was vaguely successful, I have a little spare time. Would you like to move out “Hunt the white squatter” game forward. Come on Bru, it’s your chance to publicly humiliate me, and grab a splodge of wonga at the same time. It’ll go a long way to proving that you don’t need a surgical glove when digging for facts …
@Gungets Tuft: Weirdly enough the world and life doesn’t revolve around living near a beach or having sunny weather. I had that at my doorstep for a year in Ballito. Guess how many times I went to the beach in that year? Maybe 5, as it’s a huge schlep with the kids. The weather in Durbs is actually far to hot and sticky for me, far more comfortable in cooler climates.
As for the big boys on the Ridge, weirdly 3 of their senior CMI Directors I used to deal with are here in the UK now. I met with CEO Keith Weed last week and he said nearly a tenth of their UK staff are ex Saffas. Indian & Pakistani expats being the largest group. All from 3rd world countries seeking a better life.
My best mate is like you, adamant he must stay in SA, he can’t cope with the cold. However, to keep his standard of living, stay at home wife etc in Ballito, the poor oke is working 14 hour days almost 7 days a week on standby. He sees his kids and wife like 3 times a month, properly I mean. He reckons now even his 1.2 million a year salary is tight. It’s just not sustainable. The guy is going to burn out. However, if you are lucky enough to earn more than that and live the life, then good on you. 99.6% of the country doesn’t. Your bubble must be great.
In terms of predictions, I don’t do that, too many factors in play both political and natural that can cause changes. What I can say is SA is in for some very very tough times if there is a downgrade. But SA is a hardy country having faced many challenges before and I’m sure it will come out the other end. The UK is facing that too with Brexit. Nowhere in the world is perfect, but some are just slightly better than others when you weigh up the pros and cons…
@BOG: why are you still here?
nobody believes anything you say in any case
@Speartackle: No cricket for me. Lapping up the beauty of the country and appreciating the cleanliness. And too many Saffas in Perth- Saffas who think like some of the okes here. You remember the PFP- Packed for Perth?@Gungets Tuft: I merely told you that if you have R25 000 to spend on the needy, do so in your immediate area. Nothing wrong with my comprehension and if you elevate your head above your waist, you will understand it.You are always telling us how occupied you are elsewhere, but keep on rushing back.Oh, and its even warmer on the Somali coast if you will excuse the civil war.
@Grasshopper: You’d be surprised how optimistic those people up on the hill are, I’m still in touch with many of them. You’re not a majority in my world. The people you use as an example are highly portable but are quite happy.
@BOG: Still struggling with English comprehension I see. I’ve never claimed to help out, that’s your territory. Finding bad news is not hard, the world is wired for it. Finding positive news is much harder. You know, stuff like Chief Justice Moegoeng telling the NPA to reinstate charges against Zuma. The North Gauteng High Court ordering the immediate release of the PP report into state capture. Small things like having a constitution which has withstood everything thrown at it.
My heads not in the sand ou Grassy, nor are those at the big FMCG company on the hill (but nice subtle reference to the fact that you know my background), we’re just not looking only for the bad. Our optimism keeps us happy and employable, a rare commodity it seems.
Grassy – why don’t you jot down some predictions here, for posterity, so I can screen grab them and remind you at regular interevals. I’m certain I could find some, if I was assed enough to look (I’m not) of the Rand at R20:USD etc, but just put a pen to paper, drop it here, there’s a good man. I’m bored, my project is live, I’m exhausted, I think I’ll take an early day and hit the beach. It must be 32 degrees outside. Toasty.
@BOG: I heard you’re in Perth watching the cricket…..how did the Proteas do on the 1st day?
Believe they were up against the Aussie 1st choice attack
@Grasshopper: Many are very comfortable with their heads buried in the sand and hate to be made aware of what is happening around them. It may just require a response from them, and they would hate that. Dont disturb the apple cart.
@Roger: it’s called the off season and I would never use news24, that isn’t journalism. I’m aware many people have options. But what if you are a young white male without European ancestry and you can’t get a job due to BEBEEEEE you forced to live on the streets.
@Speartackle:
I’m dead!
@Grasshopper: don’t assume you are the only bloke here who has options Hopper – we all have options and alternatives but not all of us choose to keep coming back to SA blogs and cut and pasting the latest shit from News24, IOL etc justifying our moves.
Best of luck to you and yours – I’m out until some relevant rugby news strikes my fancy
@Speartackle: Dont you want a dog to keep you company? Full of fleas, unlikely house trained, but if you are broke, you can sell him to a Chinaman for a Chinese Braai.
@BOG: a childlike response
what else can you expect?
@boerboel: Your flea infested body is obviously effecting whatever grey matter you have between the ears. You are like the proverbial stuck LP. You are obviously in a dog pound awaiting extermination. Ask them to get it over with, because as things stand now, you are just abusing oxygen . Hopefully, a Chinese dog eater, will collect you.
@Grasshopper: Your constant reminder of how shitty we have it, serves as an indirect boast of how great you have it – I may have that wrong. I don’t have an option – and quite frankly I am glad I don’t. With all our problems in this country, I certainly have it better than my grandparents and parents did – by a long long way – and that is all thanks to them. My mission is to make it better for my kids right here in this godforsaken country. They can decide if they want to stay or leave.
Like I’ve said before I couldn’t afford to leave RSA neither am I qualified enough to be wanted anywhere else in the world but Toti has received me with open arms and legs.
I live in a beautiful unit right on the beach although a bit too close to Shoprite, I have a 360 view of Toti, right in front of me I can see the waves breaking, dolphins playing and whales although there are some scary characters living in the bushes on the dunes and drug deals I see daily. Behind me I have a beautiful view of the lagoon and car park for the canoe club where luxury German sedans and Japanese SUV’s visit on a daily basis entertaining ladies picked up at various places on the back seats.
I have RJ’s just up the street, Ollies around the corner, Spur, Thirsty Whale and Splash World within walking distance. It takes me 3 minutes to the office in the morning, I play tennis Tuesdays, golf Wednesdays, I watch Suidooster, Getroud met Rugby, Nuus and Binnelanders every night and football over weekends ( Liverpool….YNWA )
I also surf every morning at 06h00 and cycle to Umkomaas and back some afternoons. I have sobered up a lot since moving here and is down to a bottle of Count Pushkin and 2 packets of Camel Black a day.
I sleep with the balcony doors wide open, my Bantam is safe in the basement.
The only thing lacking in my life is…….love
Accusations and finger pointing- accusing those abroad of doing exactly what the “remainers” are doing- justifying their decision. Im in SA 99% of my time, but that does not blind me to the truth. But I guess, that gives me the right to express myself on the issue and as a bonus, irritate the shit out of you.
Boggie is a liar
he fabricates facts and stats to support his delusional theories
he has now been caught out numerous times
he should leave this board or apologize
@Playa: thanks. For the record I’ve never once said how great it is here, just safer. You probably don’t have the option to leave so make the best of it..
@Grasshopper: Great! You’ve made your choice – live with it – and let us live with ours. If I have to hear from you how great your life is oorkant, and how shit mine is in ZumSA, I will seriously have to pluck my eyes out with a pencil. We seriously don’t care, and neither do we expect you to care about our lives.
Mind you, Gwede Mantashe also went to KES, but the one in Moscow- Kremlin English School.
@McCulleys Workshop:
The extreme cynic and conspiracy theorist in me also thinks that the currency move might be the result of a cabal of very wealthy speculators on a pump-and-dump mission. If so I’m going to go with it all the way. Pointless not cashing in.
@Grasshopper: WTF?!?!?!
@Roger: oh you so clever bud, it’s not exactly easy leaving your country of birth that you love so much. But as Scott Peck loves to point out, life isn’t easy. But once you accept that it becomes easier. My sacrifice is for my kids & Aus is still an option, best of both worlds. Although having to live with Aussie’s is deterant enough ?
@GreenBlooded: Yes you’re right he’s appointing the judge not heading the inquiry – my apologies
The dollar weakness comment was said in jest following your earlier comment
@Roger: I hope you are short ZAR, it’s an absolute no bra…….. As stated in the classics, you can be right longer than you can remain solvent.
I see that Gwede Mantashe has made his appearance. I thought that you went to school in Queenstown? I also read the Huffington Post, not because I agree with its editorials and headings, but purely for entertainment.
@Grasshopper: aaaaaand thanks for so succinctly proving my point…
@Roger: rubbish, I’ve been on both sides of the fence before even going back to SA for 3 years. No justification required. Rather speak to the locals who continuously post ‘another Kak day in Africa’ pics, living in their bubbles. I used to be one of them living in a secure lifestyle estate. It’s living a lie whilst the rest of the country is in turmoil. The issue I have with these bubbles like Steyn City is you can control what’s going on inside them and almost make them self sufficient with shops, petrol stations etc but you cannot control the economy. The economy is in a place of false security, waiting for Zupta to go BUT the rot is far deeper and ratings agencies know this. Anyway, as you say, everyone has choices and we should respect those even if we don’t agree. I deep down really want SA to be great, but I don’t see it happening for another 25 years of hardship. So for and my kids, it’s a little bad weather for a better future. Europe is on our doorstep, rich in culture, history and beautiful island beaches…
My oath – this is tedious
Amazes me how people who have “taken the gap” spend their lives on SA blogs talking up their new lives and telling us all how shit SA is – like we don’t live here and see the challenges all around us on a daily basis.
Choices people choices – I am happy with mine and if you are happy with yours that’s great – no need to keep justifying it – all that signifies is that is you are inherently unhappy ………
@Grasshopper: In the meantime, these are the things which are happening around the country and hardly gets a mention. 91 Cattle of farmer poisoned and his dogs shot. No doubt, in the unlikely event that the savage perpetrators are caught and put on trial, they will claim some form of “racism” committed by the farmer. https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154622712617790&set=a.10151281811982790.517568.785862789&type=3&theater
@Grasshopper: They attacked many things. There was destruction all over Pretoria CBD, I believe.@Gungets Tuft: Im really not concerned about your “opinion” other than if you wanted to really help people, do so without making a noise about it. There are more than enough of them in your immediate area. You just need to open your eyes.@BoishaaiPa: If you dont want to converse with me, why do you? And what you know about me, factual or imaginary, and indeed what I know about you, is of no concern to me. All those black kids? I take care of kids- not black, white or whatever. And adults. Grants? Not sufficient to pay for their breakfast IN SA, and less so in Oz. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to take them on an overseas break. But next time, I shall keep you in mind and perhaps you will sponsor them?
@BOG: I dont really want to converse with you as I know more about you than you will realise…but just one question…did you take all those black kids you were looking after with all the grants with you to OZ?…
@Gungets Tuft: GT, I had higher expectations of you. I thought you were a level headed intelligent guy who used to work for a very large FMCG on the hill in Umhlanga. Ask any intelligent person there about the state of SA now and 90% will have a negative outlook. We not saying doom and gloom but very hard times. I didn’t take you for a head in the sand ostrich…
@BOG: I’ll take that as a no then. No worries “mate”. You’re not the first person to spout unsupportable crap to support an indefensible point of view and then descend into verbal and mental chaos trying to avoid the question. Just don’t be confused when people ask what else you’re lying about.
Don’t you worry about who I help out, and who in my mediocre street might be struggling, I’m absolutely comfortable with my contribution to my neighbourhood and society in general. I thought that R25,000 might tempt you into cotching up some proof. Alas.
Heaven forbid that someone ask you for evidence of your opposition of the Nats (or should that be support of the HNP?). Not to worry though, in a few short months it will be as difficult to find a Zuma supporter as it is to find an apartheid supporter. We will have some change, you’ll still be stuck with the bloody Aussies, being chowed by east coast mozzies. In the meantime, please count us down to the apocalypse that your hero predicted for the nation to be on food stamps, I believe it’s less than 6 months away now.
@BOG: didn’t a bunch of cronies attack Boxer stores too?
@Playa: Allow me to explain a fundamental to you. If a regime wants to herd people into a ghetto, there are different ways to achieve that. You can load people onto trucks and transport them there as the Nazis and communists did, or you can pass discriminitory laws which will restrict a particular groups participation in the economy – like the apartheid govt did and what the ANC regime is currently doing, and achieve the same goal.Simple.A desperate situation, calls for a desperate remedy. But if you think that the departure of Jacob, will resolve all the problems, then a few unpleasant surprizes awaits you. They said the same about Juliass.@boerboel: Take yourself offshore too- to Somalia. Seaside property is going for zip. In the meantime, as I left, I popped in for an upgrade and they really pissed me off. This was the result. https://web.facebook.com/SABCNewsOnline/photos/a.10150266784426543.344713.122121361542/10154692567331543/?type=3&theater
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: good call. I am using this opportunity to take my clients money offshore. Not because I am negative about Sa,but there better opportunity ofsHore
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@Playa:
Nope. Mogoeng (as the chief justice) will appoint the judge who will chair the commission.
Dollar weakened…..
Hardly. There are definitely affects though. I’m sitting with one laptop on news 24 and the other on my trading platform and making a mint on the swings. So yes there are swings in the Rand on local news but the overwhelming force is a weakening dollar (and therefore a ‘strengthening’ rand) relatively speaking.
I’m going to mortgage my house, wife, kids, dogs, cars and furniture and pump every last cent into US dollars. I reckon the lesser of the 2 evils will win, the Rand will tank and I’ll make a mint.
Jeez bru. Hard to believe that in the most advances country on earth, with a population of 350 million, those are the best 2 leaders they can come up with. Blows my mind.
@BOG: While you were sleeping Oom…Zuma and his cronies lost their interdict and the state capture report was released.Judge Mogoeng (the same judge who told Zuma had broken the constitution with Nkandla) will head the inquiry.The dollar weakened to 13.32 (ZAR – USD).
@GreenBlooded: By that assertion do you mean that the dollar strengthens when a SA finance minister gets fired or arrested,the weakens when Gordhan is hired or charges dropped? My view is fundamentals world wide point to weak currencies the world over.Movements have been political and not directed by economic fundamentals.It’s what has been giving us sleepless nights.
To agree…war is what the US needs and will start.That is why Trump will win this election.The Gold Coast will need bunkers and open Windows at night will be a thing of the past.Maybe then BOG will finally get to see the difference between a squatter camp and a concentration camp.
@BOG: Concentration camps???Really?I hope you’re not confusing that for a squatter camp and thinking it’s one in the same.Dumb as I may be…but hell I know the difference between the two.The one is a harsh reality and the other….well….that would be a very serious allegation on your part.One which you have yet to corroborate…
@Andre T: Ek verneem so, stilletjies. In die agterlyn, verloor hulle net 9, 10 en 14, end die 10 was maar 50/50 met n gr.11. Wat die voories betref, ook nie sleg nie, maar mens wil nie te vroeg praat nie. Sal maar wag tot einde van seisoen voordat ek windgat raak en die sout in die wonde begin vryf. En terloops, hulle speel Boishaai in Bloem !!@Bush: You are right- zero growth in a civilized first world country is a lot better than zero in a third world country where they cut your throat for the fun of it.@GreenBlooded: And looking past the next 3 months in the US? Whoever is elected, will have to address the debt @ almost $20 Trillion. Some say, they have one of two choices- war or hyperinflation. However, the US economy still impacts the world, whether we like to admit it or not. The saying goes, if America sneezes, the rest have the flu. God help us if America gets the flu. And I suspect something worse than the flu is about to overcome them.
@boerboel:
I don’t often respond to you because I think you’re the biggest dickhead on this forum, but I’ll make a rare exception.
The USD/ZAR rate is not driven by a strong Rand – it is driven by a weak Dollar. Some basic chartwork will reveal that. Or some common sense – what afterall has changed significantly in the fundamentals of the SA economy to explain the current move? The dollar is seeing it’s arse against most currencies due to the looming disaster which will face the US in the next week – namely the choice between probably the worst 2 presidential candidates in living memory, possibly ever.
If you’re hip, you’ll get yourself and FX trading account make yourself some tin whichever way the rates move.
@BOG: Shame in Africa we have aircons with climate control. Do you know OZ have a zero growth rate?
@BOG:
Klink of daai muskiet jou aan die ballas bygekom het, Ek sien Grey het n baie sagte program tot en met Wildeklawer, soos gewoonlik. Maar, inside info së hulle gaan een moerse span hê
Struggling to sleep in this heat and mosquitos buzzing at the screen to come and bite a SA. @Playa: You need to get yourself one of those bank, money counting machines to count your Zim $$$. Its a good investment. Soon, you will need one to count your salary every month. Like the Meticals in Mozambique a few yrs ago, before devaluation, we needed a shopping bag to carry our money to go and dine at a restaurant. Did I tell you that the concentration camps in SA now exceed 260 ? Yep Sydney is not to be confused with Kate and Sydney or Steak and kidney. Its indeed a place. Just learn one location every day and by Christmas, you could be clever. But Im worried about that dog in your area. Already, he is barking incoherently.
Struggling to sleep in this heat and mosquitos buzzing at the screen to come and bite a SA. @Playa: You need to get yourself one of those bank, money counting machines to count your Zim $$$. Its a good investment. Soon, you will need one to count your salary every month. Like the Meticals in Mozambique a few yrs ago, before devaluation, we needed a shopping bag to carry our money to go and dine at a restaurant. Did I tell you that the concentration camps in SA now exceed 260 ? Yep Sydney is not to be confused with Kate and Sydney or Steak and kidney. Its indeed a place. Just learn one location every day and by Christmas, you could be clever. But Im worried about that dog in your are. Already, he is barking incoherently.
@Bush: I went with Spear to a place called Valentino’s on the Toti beach front on Saturday night. He almost got moered there by an old toppie with a vest. Two chicks had a go at each other with glasses in their hands and he tried to calm them down when this vest wearing oke grabbed him. He looked vicious hey, you know those vests we used to cover ourselves with on the border against the mosquitoes. Maybe BOG is somewhere up there in Ondangwa
@Andre T: Get Spear to takes us for a beers. He knows plenty places that are dark with a dash of light. You may even get to meet his Mature from Umhlanga Rocks. She’s pure Sunshine
@Bush: Hahahaa! Watching that game was like watching BOG dodge every challenge Gungets hands to him. Pure pleasure – pride swallowing stuff. I have been looking or something to keep you ‘Pierats’ fans quiet – finally got it
@Bush: And here I am visiting Spear in Toti and I haven’t seen the sun for 2 weeks. No wonder he is not making money
@BOG: Us black people are only familiar with two breeds…police dogs (we later learned that these are actually Alsatians) and Dobermans who usually are called Tiger, Danger, Killer or Spotty…so my knowledge there is as limited as my Geography. Speaking of which…I see you tried to get me with that Sydney reference…I believe it’s a country in a city overseas somewhere – am I close?
@Playa: Morning Playa.
Make money while the sun shines on you. I think thats why BOG’s is pissed off. How can you have more than him and be happy. He’s fighting stingers on the Gold Coast struggling to live off his old Government Pension and you counting your Dollars.
At the end we are all suffering together, those that have chosen to stay behind. Yes I’m blind to all that is going on. One day my eyes may open. In the meanwhile I’m enjoying myself. Viva SA Viva
Did you see Pirates took a massive smack last night. I couldn’t show my face at the gym this morning.
Late night here, but I feel duty bound to wish you all a happy and peaceful rest. While you set the alarm, check the Rotweilers, load your weapons, phone the security company, I must not forget to draw the mosquito screens. Windows here are left open and generally without burglar bars.@Andre T: Ja, laat my dink aan Ertjies Bezuidenhout. Voor hy begin fiets ry het, was hy Pierre Bezuidenhout@Playa: You are obviously not familiar with dog names. Please take me to the HRC for calling a specie, named Boerboel, a rabid dog. They must just add a return ticket, Sydney> JHB>Sydney, and Ill gladly attend.@boerboel: Ou Sonstraaltjie, hap jy weer bubbles en grashalms? Hulle leen al geld om skuld te diens en salarisse te betaal. En dit lyk asof die R60/$ deur Chris Hart maar konserwatief was. Laat maar weet of ek vir jou Dogmore of Epol moet stuur? Toe kry ek sommer nog n beriggie oor tennisuitslae. GCB vs Glenwood, 9-0; Affies, 6-0; Waterkloof, 8-1; en PRG, 6-3. Just to show that they can lose gracefully, they lost to St Stithians in the final
@Andre T: Hahaha! He needs to be clear on his name-calling rants. There’s a post where he referred to “comrades, cadres, clowns and delusionals” – I have already figured out that the former 2 are references to me…at the same token, I could easily qualify for the latter two in The World According to BOG. I am also a witch-in-waiting; a destroyer of university property, and EE appointment…so hey, how can I not think that I also suffer from rabies
@Playa: Lol….no I think he is talking about Boerboel. Bog told me the other day he loves you
I See the rand racing to Boggie call of r60 to the $
r13.50
what a joke
@Playa: Ou Playatjie
@BOG: One thing Dale College did not neglect to teach me was to never respond to insults, because those are simply one’s way of hiding their insecurities about themselves. Rabid dog??? You’re being far too kind…what don’t you just go ahead and call me what you really want to call me?
@BOG:
Heng Bog ek hoor gisteraand op die nuus dat fietsry nou die volgende sport is wat ernstig moet verander, daar word beweer dat daar nou 3 blankes is wat aan die TdF deelgeneem het en dit moet dadelik verander.
@Andre T: Oh dear, my daughter, uit Durban , nogal, het vir my nou net hierdie beriggie gestuur. The regime in SA is now borrowing money for salaries and to service its substantial debt. Google “SA debt clock” and see the debt increase by the second. And please explain that to the dog at the SPCA in the WC. mybroadband.co.za/news/business/185136-the-one-graph-which-should-scare-all-south-africans.html
@BOG:
Lekker Boggie
What a beautiful afternoon we are having here on the Gold Coast. Clean ,prestine beaches and safe. No fear of being stalked from behind, a gun against the head and demanding a cell phone or R10. I hope that you all are awake by now in SA? De-activated the alarms, fed the Rotweilers and checked to see if the car is still in the garage? My fear this evening, is being bitten by a mosquito. Otherwise, a lovely day to you all.
@Gungets Tuft: Sunshine, I dont have to show you anything. If you have R25,000 to give away, there are more than enough in your immediate vicinity, who are in need of food. Thankfully, there are also those who quitely and without show, do as much as they can to provide. If you really care, you will probably find several needy families in your street. That is the reality and the trend throughout SA today, so I dont think that your area would be an exception.As I pointed out earlier, just taking into account the farmers who have gone insolvent in recent years, would take one to the figures thrown around here. Then, there is the rest.@Speartackle: Im told that if Clinton wins the presidential election, they would have to consider renaming the presidential aircraft. The two names under consideration, are Conair and Broomstick One. Do you know of a competent animal psychiatrist for that rabid dog in the WC? He is obviously in agony.And a subject which was obviously neglected at Dale College, was geography. As they said about the British empire- the sun always shines on the empire. Or is Player a remnant of the flat earth society?
@BOG: R25,000 and a hot cup of coffee says you can’t show me 200,000 white informal dwellers. On the other hand, I can show you 500,000 black people living in informal settlements without anything other than a hired car in Chunnisbeg. Game on?
@boerboel:
@Playa: No link/sattelite feed 30 m underground
@BOG: Struggling to sleep???…There’s a show for that
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I noitice that Boggie only comes out of his underground bunker in the middle of the night to post his warnings of the Apocolypse
He should be a great subject for the “Doomsday Preppers ” tv programme
just imagine him in his faded little grey yersey climbing into his bunker muttering away about the Rand at r13.50,only 40k whites in squattercamps and his beloved GCB FADING AWAY….
I am telling you guys now we need to listen to Bog and get the fn uck out of here. These are no stories…these are facts…..I watched Con Air last night and I’m telling you okes there are a few Cyrus the Virus’ on here.
We need to get outta here while we still have the world at our feet
@BOG: So, the big question is this, in the midst of this apocalyptic (apoplectic) event, what survives? Grey? Because it’s clear, rugby is a mess, except Grey.
@McCulleys Workshop: You are obviously supplying that flea infested dog from the WC with his Durban stash, because you are beginning to show the same signs of illusion and delusion as he reflects here so often. A poor season for GCB? Has Michealhouse, or any other school for that matter, have a poor season and ended second on the “ranking”? They do indeed have very high standards .But with a 90%+ winning record over more than a century, the tree is very high indeed. No wonder it is rated number one in Africa.
When jackals go into a feeding frenzy, they eventually start biting each other. The comments which I see here- the odd one which I read, is nothing new and it does not surprize me one bit.In fact, it is reminiscent of the false prophets, who told the people what they wanted to hear and not the truth. They were embraced, while those who spoke the truth, were stoned to death.But knowing some of you, that too will be discarded and rejected as old Biblical myths and fables. Or heaven forbid,even checked out on Wiki or Africa check. And we are told, that the den of political prostitutes, and its agency, Unicef, is “reliable”. Like Unesco, they cannot be trusted with anything, other than lying and stealing. Can one be that naive? Obviously, yes. Ask Israel. Your rejection, does not change the truth. Ironically, nothing has really changed in recent times, notably in Africa. The exact same thing happened in Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi,Zambia, Angola, Mozambique, and more vividly, in Zimbabwe. Exactly the same rhetoric as you now illustrate here so well. In 1999, 20 yrs into freedom,independence, uhuru- call it what you like, Zimbabwe was presented to sceptics, which included me,as a shining example and European and Scandinavian friends could not understand the scepticism of so many white SAs. Six short years later, in 2005, Zim was in absolute and total turmoil and the former admirers responded with their European and Scandinavian versions of “hau” and “eish”. And the terrifying truth is that after 20 yrs , Zim was in a better condition than what SA was at the same stage of its history. Another characteristic of jackals in a frenzy, is that they go blind, out of desperation- they bite without looking. But back to the reality and the subject at hand, white concentration camps. It has just been announced that there are now more than 260 of these camps around SA. But as elsewhere, this denial will continue, until the truth explodes in the faces of the denialists. Then they will quitely pack their possessions and sneak out of the country to find a place somewhere to lick their wounds. Personal experience will always remain the most convincing argument, but as Africa has proven repeatedly, it always comes too late. As I recently said to an American liberal, he and his kind, actually deserves Clinton and the destruction which will come with her, if elected.I just feel very sorry for those poor folk who had nothing to do with it. It equally applies to SA. Have a good day, comrades, cadres, clowns and delusionals-your coffee is getting cold. Very cold.
Good to see Richard Branson backing Pravin; http://memeburn.com/2016/10/richard-branson-praises-pravin-gordhan/
@Speartackle: a marginal show of intelligence?
@McCulleys Workshop: looking at hopfixation it is obvious that he suffers from the munchies
@boerboel: From Hopper, obviously.
@BOG: poor BOG
– lets have a quick look
rand to 60 vs dollar
grey wins as much away as at home
400k whities in informal settlements
what is next?
where does he buy this good sh.t that he is smoking???
BOG will play his Trump card soon
@BOG: Bog, sticking with your political theme, what makes Trump such a wily adversary is that he answers questions he wasn’t asked; or when he has run out of road he side tracks debates with the ridiculous with absolute conviction as if it’s a widely believed fact; or he doesn’t answer.
@BOG: No one doubted Shosholoza being sung in Arusha,no one doubted that you were there…what was questioned was your claim that the song originated there.
@BOG: What I would really like to know from you is if you are considering GT’s challenge? Given your assertions, it seems a very easy hurdle for you. No-one doubts the malais, however I doubt the extremity of your view. I would also like to know if Grey are going to have another poor season?
@Gungets Tuft: http://www.ci.org.za/depts/ci/pubs/pdf/general/gauge2015/Child_Gauge_2015-CC_income_poverty.pdf
For anyone wishing to check the veracity of Bogs claim on the plight of children in South Africa, UNICEF have a very well researched and scholarly article on it. This one is out of date, till 2008, but does highlight the terrible plight of children. This report shows child poverty decreasing in the period 2004 – 2008 – it would be very inserting to see a report on 2008 – 2016, and see what what Number One has wrought in the last 8 years.
http://www.unicef.org/southafrica/SAF_resources_factschildrens22.pdf
Don’t have time or energy to look for anything later and sift fact from fiction
@Riempies: To single out one camp, however tragic, one would distort the bigger picture. There are several camps just in Pretoria, which are bigger than that one.@Grasshopper: There are more than 40 000 farmers forced off their land- just farmers.And tomorrow, on SABC, there is a discussion on “Fokus” of many more under threat.@BrotherBear: That is the irony. As a young student activist, I very strongly opposed the old system. I was disadvantaged on both sides of 1994. What strikes me however, is the many who criticised the old, but are very quite about the present political abortion.@GreenBlooded: You have about 53 possible examples in Africa. Where have people been able to correct their mistakes at the polls. We in SA still have elections, for one reason only. The opposition has not been a real threat. But do you believe that the ANC will surrender power nationally? A few metros yes, and we have seen their behaviour , particularly in PE. No, they, with Cosatu and their communist allies, would make the country ungovernable- guaranteed.@Riempies: There is no room for terms like “positive/negative” in the political arena.If you ignore the very clear indicators, just as in the case with weather and economic forecasts or a medical prognosis,you are being irrational, not “positive”.@boerboel: How does GCBs away record compare with its home games????? Bhwahahahaha! I wonder who is bullshitting Sunshine?@McCulleys Workshop: In case you did not read. The children who are in need of care in SA, are INCREASING by 35 000 pm. Not surprizingly, if just in KZN alone, in 2010, they had 17000 school pregnancies. If you dont have your head up your ass, there is a lot to do.
Strange world indeed. When I mentioned Arusha/Shosoloza, some rushed to Wiki to find information. Thankfully, I was there. My responsibility was Africa-East and the Islands, ie BLS countries, Mozambique,Malawi, Tanzania,Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Commores and Mauritius. Wiki, and God forbid, “Africacheck” was not required. My eyes did not lie. I then mentioned the number of whites in concentration camps and the same bleating noises from the same heard.Out came “Africa check”to refute my numbers. Just looking at farmers who have gone insolvent recently- for more reasons than just drought, it would seem that just them alone, exceed the numbers which you are throwing around. Or do you think that they were given a “golden handshake” when they left their farms? I wonder how many of you have actually set foot in a concentration/squatter camp and talked to the people in them? I doubt, if any. I now see that the pilots are also lining up for jobs abroad and that the financial affairs of the WP are not looking too bright. What does Wiki and Africa check say about that??? ZZZZZZZZZZZ! If it was not so absolutely tragic, I too could respond with a Bhawahahahahahahahaha! But I have always said, Africa has this cruel habit of waking up the ones asleep- too late.
@McCulleys Workshop: All of the above?
@Playa: One of a few options: He didn’t milk this morning and got up late, JZ stole his internet connection, there was a power outage in NZ and he couldn’t get on line at 2.30 am, Gungets called his bluff or Boerboel has pissed him off. This is multiple choice. Hopper you also on this bandwagon?
@Bush: considering Vrystaat won it, maybe he is still celebrating!
@Playa: Maybe he’s not happy with the Colour of The Currie Cup
@McCulleys Workshop: Bog has been uncharacteristically quiet
@Gungets Tuft: bog caught out talking bullshit again!!!!
sad
@BOG: @Gungets Tuft: Is anybody out there there there ….
@Gungets Tuft: My well learned friend. “I’m not short of insight, unless you’re like to quote where I’ve claimed there are no white people in informal settlements.” Did I say that you said that!!! Don’t think so!
This is the reason why I said as little as possible. These type of conversation no one can win. Just read all of the above! Going on for a very long time.
I cannot agree with someone like @Speartackle more on this subject. NO ONE ILL REGARD OF THEIR RACE SHOULD LIVE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
Stop living in the past. The future look so much more bright if you have a positive outlook. Some people you cannot argue with. They will never see your point so whey bother? Expert or Asshole the type you never argue with. Let them decide!
@Gungets Tuft: fair point, I take the criticism. But I think at the moment (off season) there has been quite a bit of whining & kak praat on the blog generally..
I see it’s all quiet on the Southern Front this morning.
@Grasshopper: That’s not an answer, it’s a childish provocation. You spend your life whining that people provoke, but you’ve learned well.
@McCulleys Workshop: I knew Baldy would pipe up.
@Gungets Tuft: Lol, go big!
@Grasshopper: Can you read English FFS.
@Gungets Tuft: so you agree one wrong is acceptable to correct a previous one?
@Riempies: I’m not short of insight, unless you’re like to quote where I’ve claimed there are no white people in informal settlements. I believe, and I’m too tired to go back and look, that I said it was a national disgrace. All I’m saying is that it is not even close to the 700,000 to 800,000 that Bog claims in his End Of The World epistle. There are around 2 million informal dwellers in South Africa, you’d have to be blind and stupid to not notice, and I’m only half blind and half stupid. But … false claims are dangerous because it’s impossible to act effectively with rubbish information.
The Nats kept many millions living in awful circumstances. The situation now for the majority is an improvement on what it was 20 years ago. You’d have to be living under a rock not to see that. I’m incandescent when I think of what could have been accomplished if this country had not been pillaged by many successive governments.
I’m not lacking in empathy, I lack patience for bullshit. If it’s taken 24,000 to 40,000 white squatters to wake us up to the reality of how something like 2 million people live, that’s depressing.
And I’ve said my piece on this. My only response now will be one where I respond to Bog when he accepts my challenge. Peace …. OUT.
@Speartackle: @BrotherBear:
Contempt for the current regime does not imply support of the previous one. And contempt for the previous regime should not automatically translate to support of the current one “no matter what”.
I think as a country – we can do much better than both. The old saying goes “in a democracy, you get the government you deserve” – so until people start voting with their heads we are going to swirl around the vortex until there is no way out. Problem is – if the people cock up at the poles, we are screwed for 5 years until we can correct the mistake.
@BrotherBear: Agree and injustices should not be rectified by new injustices, simple as that…
@Speartackle: You should know, were you not part of the Apartheid Beneficiaries ;-).
Direct answer – previous regime made it worse by preventing good quality education to all (“blacks”) and suppressing job opportunities. Nobody said previous was better in this regard. No reason why present should not be MUCH better though.
@BOG may have many good things to say about previous times (and there are probably), but they are all related to “efficiency” and “standards”. I will never agree that efficiency and standards should suffer to ensure progress. If that happens it is just plain “Slapgatgeid”. Millions being negatively affected because people in power are incompeten t(not all) and in cases just downright criminals.
@BrotherBear: Just as a matter of interest………What did the previous regime do to improve the lives of millions living in poverty and to give them an equal chance to success in life?
W.r.t. People living in squalid conditions; it is extremely sad and probably preventable with the correct political will. But the reality is that slums and squatter camps exist all over the world, to a lesser or more extent in each country. The number of people living in slum conditions, in India alone will exceed 100 million in 2017. It is an issue that requires multiple layers of intervention by multiple parties.
Point taken from above, but issue straddles across colour of skin. Do your thing as you see fit, but best is probably to create employment and educate. Two issues the present government seems to talk about, but have no ability to produce. It blows the mind really. Does SARU and their minions have that in common with government – the fat cat approach?
@GreenBlooded: 300 per camp, which makes 24,000…
@Playa: I have never been in a concentration camp but my great great grandparents were so I cant compare the 2. What I can tell you is that it was a shocking experience which actually kept me awake for a very long time and after seeing it now again on that post will most probably keep me awake again.
Actually I dont want to comment further on this because I do not care what race it is….nobody should ever live like that. The most horrible about that are the babies and children growing up in those circumstances. What future do they have?
@Grasshopper:
My bad…
Still – around 300 people – I said 400 so my argument still holds.
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: 80 squatter camps not 80 families. But still small numbers. The Dailymail too are known for scaremongering and manipulating the truth. Let’s just say white poverty is on the rise and some don’t have options to leave…
@Speartackle: Indeed!
May I ask, since you have been there, would you say these are ‘concentration camps’ as claimed by a certain blogger?
I watched the documentary on YouTube last night, and I must say it didn’t strike me as such – unless I have a warped definition of a concentration camp – it was another sad squatter camp…one of far too many that need to be done away with in this country.
@Riempies:
I don’t think anyone is denying these places exist. What is in dispute are the numbers. This article claims 80 families – at a very conservative average of 5 per family that is 400 people. There would need to be 1500 such camps to get to the figures claimed.
The white population is 4.7million according to Wikipedia. The numbers being claimed are therefore about 1/10 or 1/8 which is hard to believe. It may well get there as more and more affluent whites emigrate and the less skilled who are left behind are marginalised but I don’t think we are anywhere near there yet.
@Grasshopper:
Known Jeremy for a number of years. He is class with a capital C. He’s coached at senior club level turning the fortunes around at Hillcrest Rugby club with the 1st team and more recently too the unheard-of Kloof High School to the top of Tier 2 and I think their 7’s team won some tournaments involving Tier 1 schools. I seem to remember reffing a 7’s tourney at College a year or 2 back where Kloof came 2nd or 3rd? Might be wrong. He is completely dedicated to his players and his players will follow him to war. What’s remarkable is he is a humble man – completely lacks the arrogance of the modern senior coach.
Glenwood couldn’t have made a better choice if you ask me. In the future I think he will end up coaching a senior provincial team…….
@Speartackle: Spiesie ek het al dieselfde gedoen. Dit is skokkend en baie mense glo nie dit bestaan nie! In Pretoria is daar ook een of twee.
Stem volkome saam met jou. Niemand wit of swart of van enige kleur behoort so te leef nie!!!
@Speartackle: so if there are 80 of these at around 300 people in each, we have 24,000 plus those wondering about alone etc. My figure of around 40,000 is probably about right. It’s insignificant compared to black poverty but it’s heading in the wrong direction. Within 5 years it could be up to 400,000. No human being should live at that level…
@Riempies: Yes ou Rieme. I know that place very well…..lived within a kilo from there……there are kids going to Monnas who live there……I have often taken our old clothing there as well as food. Very sad indeed……….nobody…black or white….deserves to live like this
@Gungets Tuft: Morning.
Please follow the link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3462336/The-white-squatter-camps-South-Africa-home-hundreds-families-enduring-terrible-poverty-blame-fall-Apartheid.html
Hope this give you some insight. The figures might not be as high as claimed by some readers but the do exist.
@BOG: You were offered an opportunity to verify and you dismissed it as a ‘little game’.So no,I don’t believe you would entertain any sort of proof that came your way and disagreed with your thinking.
@McCulleys Workshop: Classic chirp, going to a school a whole 9 years older & started rugby 20 years later. A school in dire need of a structured rugby program, seems a good deal. 10 years plus at Glenwood, time for a change. Change is good…McLaren will do well, heard he is a class coach…
@BOG: So, are we on for our bet then, but I’ll make the stakes higher. R25,000 to a charity of your choice if you can show me 200,000 white people living in informal settlements. Fail and you pay my consulting rates and expenses for the days it takes, which you will pay to Africa Check.
And please give me a single reason why you think Africa Check is a government mouthpiece. A lot of their research actually disputes “facts” put out by government.
Come now, time to put it on the line instead of ducking.
@McCulleys Workshop: Go crawl back under your tow truck!
@Greenman: I’ve heard he is really excited to coach a school with history, rugby pedigree, old boy support and insightful management.
@Greenman: that is what I heard with McLaren taking over the reigns
Any truth in Rudi Dames getting the PBHS coaching position?
@Playa: Verify that on “Africa check” Bhwahahaha! Or alternatively, visit Luthuli House in Joburg. Or JZ s personal website, for that matter. There are more people in concentration camps just in Gauteng than the figures you are throwing around. And soon, we will be prevented by law, to even tell the truth. But as I have said repeatedly, why will it end differently in SA than in any other failed state in Africa?
@BOG: “Any information which you dont like, you will regard as “false”……”
Did you really just say that???Bhwahahahahahaha! No ways!
an here I was accusing you of doing just that all this time – I really must get my head out of the sand.
Here is some food for thought; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q4abWsyOu8
FFS…. are you peckers still carrying on here?
Go and roll a few pubic hair
@BOG: Haha, your link is better than my link. Post them, I’ll read them with an open mind, I’ll at least do you the curtesy of that, unlike you. Do me the curtesy of at least telling me what’s wrong in the Africa Check research rather than just dismissing it.
As for the challenge, I’ll take that as a “no” then. No matter, it’s not entirely unexpected. The offer stands though, better than your claims do …
@Gungets Tuft: Im certainly not going to involve myself in your little games. Im involved in these actions- I see, observe and experience it. I do not rely on “Africa Check” for my information. I have said that SA is no different than the rest of Africa, and there, political blindness was also rife. Only experiencing and physically seeing will impress people. That did happen elsewhere in Africa, and it WILL happen here too-too late. The human mind is a strange thing. We all are inclined to wear blinkers to filter out that which we dont WANT to see. Any information which you dont like, you will regard as “false” I could give you several “links” but even that, wont impress you.Africa check is your source. I have mentioned earlier, that the children in need of care, are INCREASING by 35 000 Per MONTH in SA. That is a statistical fact, but often denied by the regime because it reflects on their wild claims of “Ubuntu”. That of course, is ALL children, but a substantial portion are white. So, as far as Im concerned, that settles it. Im sure that Afica check has told you that we have no discrimination in SA. We have no AA, BEE, BEEE, or quotas. But your coffee is getting cold ZZZZZ!
@Gungets Tuft: great article and I totally agree. EQ is something we test for now in our interview process…..
@GreenBlooded: There are scholarly articles that show that a significant number of the people at the lights, particularly the older folk, are a result of the failed mental care system in South Africa. The kids, the teenagers, different story. There’s a large contingent of addicts there.
@Grasshopper: Coincidentally, this crossed my Twitter account today. Decent read, and it’s an Argentinian study.
http://m.ewn.co.za/2016/10/22/The-most-important-skills-of-tomorrow-according-to-five-global-leaders
Don’t heed advice, take a sign and head for the lights, for the times, they are a’changing.
@Grasshopper: Battled to play at Sea Level?????. He played a loose shot and was bowled. GW won the toss and batted first. It’s a very good side. Everybody did something not just one oke.
@Bush: Grobbelaar not making runs, very rare that…wet pitch?
@Grasshopper: We had that 1st team game. GW a very good side, they showed big character. That’s how it goes. Cowboys don’t cry??????
@Bush: seems Glenwood still playing House in other sports; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/wp-content/uploads/SPORTS-RESULTS-ENDING-22nd-October-2016.pdf
@Gungets Tuft: we all know it’s nowhere near 400,000 but that number is a possibility the way things are going. It’s a tenth of that currently.
@BOG: Are 1 in 6 white South Africans in informal settlements, yes or no. You claimed a stat, Ernst Roots used false information. Simple. Your argument is invalid, no matter how many images of cholic ridden babies you invoke. False data, false argument.
Here’s my challenge. After 19 November I will take a week off work. I will
Fly to wherever you want me to, I will cover your costs and mine, and we will count as many people in informal settlement as we can find. If we get to 400,000 (1/2 of your claim), I will buy front page advertising in the newspaper of your choice and post an apology.
If we can’t find 400,000 people you will refund my costs, you will pay me my consulting rate for the time it takes.
Cock on the block time. Easy choice for you, Africa Check is an ANC mouthpiece, Dan Roodt and Steve Hofmeyer are the Oracles, it’s victory assured.
@Gungets Tuft: As they say, Bhawahahaha !! Using Africacheck to refute the stats???? You may as well use the personal website of the ANC regime to do so. But I was just woken up by a “revelation”. All these ideas that I have of discrimination, is a figment of my imagination.We live in a racial paradise, with no discrimination. AA, BEE and quotas has just been a dream. Yeah, and my grandfather was pope Alfonso V. Im sure that Africacheck would confirm that too. But, There is obviously a very widespread ignorance about how many whites are living in abject poverty as a result of racist legislation. Right now, I could go to camps, some on farms, where there are several thousand white people staying. And this excludes people who are, at this stage , borderline cases, people still living in “middle class” suburbs, but who are sitting around, their gas cylinders in the evenings cooking a meal because they do not have the means to re-connect the power. But too proud to say anything. And many of them, graduates. In Pretoria east, regarded as the most affluent area of SA, the schools are assisting dozens of families with food. How then, does it look elsewhere? I know of a case where a mother had water on the gas cylinder with nothing but water in the pot, hoping that her 2 children would fall asleep, while waiting for something to eat. I notice that there is great ignorance about what is REALLY going on, and Im sure that it will persist for as long as people race from their walled estate home to the mall and back, wearing dark glasses and eye patches, used by race horses, to blot out the realities around them- with “Africacheck” soothing their consciences. But the reality check will come when SAs credit rating is downgraded to trash and the catastrophic consequences that go along with it.@Grasshopper: The emergence and establishment of a middle class, no matter who and where, is something that should be pleasing, but if it is driven by inflated government jobs or as”tenderpreneurs”, its a different matter and certainly not sustainable. But, then, there are many things in SA which are not sustainable and the next few years will prove it.
@Gungets Tuft: @Grasshopper:
There is nothing that changes attitudes to beggars (of any complexion) than the sight of a poverty stricken Thai bricklayer who had somehow lost both his legs at the knee. I saw this fella whilst on a visa run there during my Malaysia project in 1999/2000. Hoisted himself up the bamboo scaffold (which is famous lapa side), sat himself down and gooied it. No use having a victim mentality when there is no-one who gives a toss – you make it happen or you die. Forever changed my attitude to all others with a victim mentality. The beggars at the robots are not there cos of apartheid, BEE, AA or any other such bollocks. They are there cos they choose to be and because there is a never ending supply of enablers. Try offering one of them a job and see what happens. Tried it many times. They won’t even get in the bakkie………
@Grasshopper: My son was 7, my daughter was 10. I remember my wife telling me that, no matter what happened, we had to be able to keep them at their respective schools. Extra incentive. The meek don’t inherit the earth, the bold do.
Sleep time.
@Gungets Tuft: yeah, but your kids are through the system. I have a 4 year old & 17 month old, very different circumstances. When it only affects you it’s easier to take that risk. I won’t do that, my kids are too important to me. Gosh, I’ll miss SA, best country in the world by far, but it’s my gift to my kids….
@Grasshopper: I wasn’t a risk taker either, cubicle dweller of note, till my hand was forced. Had zero backing, my parents had nothing, I had to pay in when they died, but sometimes the kick up the arse that life deals gets you going. I wake up every morning unemployed and realise that my tenure is only as good as my results that day. It’s as stressful as hell, but hugely rewarding. Hell, just being asked to do another project is a self esteem booster. Next year this time I might be at the lights, but this is Africa. Whether you’re prey or predator, you have to wake up running.
@Gungets Tuft: you spot on, evolve or die. For me I could have startedmy own thing but I’m not enough of a risk taker to do so. I’ve got plenty mates with wealthy parents backing the and doing well in their own businesses. I don’t have that support so need corporate jobs to provide for my family. My wife is in beauty so can’t make huge cash in the industry unless she runs her own Spa. I’m more qualified & experienced than some big cheese directors in my industry but they got there because of their skin colour, sorry one cannot just shrug that off. I had a boss who was less educated telling me what to do…
@GreenBlooded: Missed it – working.
@Grasshopper: 20 years ago the white beggars would be working in the police force, the army, Iscor, Spoorweg or the post office. Imagine their surprise when the “job for life” disappeared.
Here’s the thing. At the age of 45 I was retrenched as part of a BEE target realignment. I was offered an equivalent position in the company but I didn’t like the role. I retreaded myself, studied, added a qualification as the ballie by double the years compared to the rest of the purple studying. I’m no standout academic, nor more skilled than anyone else, I’m just evolutionary. I realise that change is inevitable and keep my peripheral vision active for opportunity. I’m not saying that the people at the lights deserve to be there, but they are, or were raised by, non evolutionary people. I find it astonishing that people can go off about unqualified BEE beneficiaries, stupid this and “them”, then find it impossible to compete. How does that work?
You and I both know people hit by the new BEE requirements. It’s WRONG, no disputing that, but you can either capitulate, or get out there an do something different. Even you are young enough that, if you do it right, the job you’ll be doing at retirement hasn’t been invented yet. I know Devinity grads who own supermarkets, doctors running fishing shops, engineers who are personal finance advisors, home economics grads who run IT companies and programmers who now run projects. Adapt.
The only thing I have to say on all of this:
VRYYYSSSSSTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT!!!!!@
What a game.
@Gungets Tuft: let’s put it into perspective though, the black middle class has grown substantionally in the past 20 years. I lived in a middle class estate in Broadacres and of the 80 houses 50 were owned or rented by black middle class, no rent under R12k a month. On the other end white poor has probably increased at a similar rate. I never saw a white beggar 20 years ago, now it’s pretty normal. The swing will take 50 years but it’s happening now…
@Bush: you certainly look the part Kabouter ?
@Grasshopper: Read the article. There’s no benefit to false data. It feeds conspiracy and weakens the resolve to deal with it. 7800 white households of 4. 1.8 million black households of the same size. Take race out of it, both “sets” have been put there by government policy, and it’s a national shame. Bog is all indignant about the one, but not the other, as if one group deserves it and the other not. He’s resorting to ad hominem argument and personal insults for some reason, it doesn’t contribute to rational debate. It’s just tiring. I’ve enough on my plate without it. I really did start this and had no intention of carrying it on, but bullsh#t stats need to be challenged, because it is dangerous for everyone.
@Grasshopper: Hops I’m one of those okes. Since Fees Must Fall I’m now begging. Just to get my boy through House. Hey my new best buddy, how’s a few pounds for your buddy ????????. I will make it look like ?
@Playa: dude, the number of wit ou’s begging at robots is off the scale, especially in Durbs.
@Grasshopper: No no no Hopper….Stop it.
@BOG: You have got to be kidding me….you really must be joking!!!!
@Gungets Tuft: 400,000 is obviously bullocks, but 50,000 might be reality. What is considered breadline? Under R5,000 a month family income? If that is the case within 5 years 400k could be right. BEEE is causing plenty whites to look for alternatives….
@BOG: Did you even think that through. You’re claiming 1 in 6 white South Africans live in informal settlements. Really.
https://africacheck.org/reports/do-400-000-whites-live-in-squatter-camps-in-south-africa-the-answer-is-no/
@Gungets Tuft: Unlike you, I deal with people who have been victims of racist laws, on a daily basis. There are those, like your comrade, who hinted that there is no white genocide. But genocide does not just happen- there are clear identifiable phases. SA is at level 6, where people of a group is herded into a ghetto. There are 2 ways to achieve this. You can physically chuck them on a truck and cart them there or you can introduce laws or regulations to achieve that. Many , in an attempt to sooth their conscience or deny the truth, think that the people in squatter camps- actually concentration camps, are there because they are uneducated, lazy, addicts—.Of course, there are those, but many are decent, skilled people, including graduates, who have lost their jobs as a result of discrimination regulations like AA and BEE. The difference between them and black squatters, is that no laws discriminate against the black squatters. Currently, there are about 700- 800 000 whites in these camps. If you drive past such camps with your dark glasses on, it does not mean that they are not there. It means that you are blind to reality. 119 race laws. http://wp_me/p56NdO-np#StopWhiteGenocideinSA
@Grasshopper: I didn’t defend laws that discriminate, I merely pointed out they are not racist. Unless there is the claim of superiority based on race. If you want to discuss discrimination, go for it.
@BOG: Name a racist law passed since 1990, then you have a discussion. Should be easy, you’ve over 100 to choose from.
The Commisariate is in session. No racist law passed since 1990??? How laughable, with more than a 100 laws/regulations which restrict the participation of white people in the economy/society. Actually disgusting. But with vulnerable children who are in need of care, INCREASING by 35 000 pm in SA, I need to run off, otherwise I too, may just be tempted to crack stupid little jokes in an effort to avoid the truth. As stupid as those comments might be, it does confirm one thing. SA is no different from the rest of Africa and there is not a single reason why the eventual outcome, will not be the same. Sad but very true.
@Gungets Tuft: dude, sorry any legislation that is based on race eg quotas is wrong. It’s against global laws. I say f$&k quotas & f$&k BEEEEEEE, it’s bullocks! Thank the lord I’m out of that kak and my kids can be judged on talent alone. I don’t expect them to
Be national level but if they do get there at least I know it’s on merit & legit ?. Viva democracy! Viva equality ?
@Gungets Tuft: Nail on the head!
On that note…this cANCer will also drift off for a week or so..silly season ahead.I’ll focus on the many schoolboy rugby threads Beet has just blessed us with.
@Playa: Yep, sadly, you were right. The ability to distinguish between discrimination and racism.
If I had the energy (I don’t, my work has me running like a cane rat on crack) I’d engage, but nobody seems to have read and tried to understand the definition and the consequences of the definition. For instance, I can’t think of a law passed since 1990 that was racist. Discriminatory, absolutely, all BEE legislation is discriminatory. Once it’s understood as that, real debate can start. It discriminates between race groups, but there’s no claim that one group is superior. One might argue that the discriminatory legislation strengthens perceptions that one group is superior because laws are needed to protect certain interests, I am surprised that not one person even thought of that.
That’s me. I have the biggest project of my life bearing down like a freight train, this week was the longest month of my life. I shouldn’t have started something I don’t have the energy to finish. I’ll just drift off then, I’ve got a weekend of work…
@Playa: I think that BOGITIS has less impact on ones ability to think rational, certainly less destructive or damaging than cANCer. From what Im seeing, its incurable and very contagious.
@star:I hear you better now. Thought youd been infected with BOGITIS.But that has nothing to do with the definition of racist as quoted by Gungets.What you are talking about is a whole other ball game.
@Playa: My point was that racism is not generic and is a result of how individuals respond and reconcile differences . I am not saying the Japanese person is vindicated in thinking he is superior because of his planning horizons. Rather the other races must not feel inferior as they offer different strengths. Is that not the argument for the strength in diversity of the Rainbow nation.
@BOG: The poor security guards were just doing their job.
@Grasshopper: Just more corrupt and more violent
@Playa: No, only you have the ability to read it as you want to understand it. Are all Xhosas racist, incompetent communist thieves because the ANC regime has 4x as many racist laws to protect a majority, than the Nats had to protect a minority?
@BOG: See the latest clip here; https://www.facebook.com/policepicsandclips/videos/595978917194081/?pnref=story
Like a Zoo….
@GreenBlooded: You better put that question to Comrade Player, their local Commissar. And they will abuse that to silence their critics. Its Africa. Criticism and opposition is tolerated until their power is threatened and then, its over to the next stage of the revolution. All the revolutions are the same- only the duration differs. But the results, identical.
@Playa: Sorry who? Bushie @aka Kabouter or Dames?
@star: @BrotherBear: Are you guys really reading what you’re writing.
If a Japanese person said because the Japanese people plan for 25 years and therfore every other race is inferior…racist and needs help
If I said blacks are superior to whites because they cant jump…racist and need help
We are better atheletes and therefore we are superior beings…racist and need help
In fact those are not racists….those would just be mentality demented human beings
Are all Afrikaners racist because the Nats ran a racist regime?Do all Germans subscribe to Nazism?Jeeez guys,seriously.Racism is individual (in most cases)
@BOG: No surprise there ou BOG. Seems to follow standard ANC policy of protecting people with genocidal tendencies if today’s announcement is anything to go by. Bliksem – is there anything these okes won’t do to protect evil leaders?? And it seems like ou Pravin is the last man standing in the good corner. The new PPE is sounding more dodgy by the second……
@Gungets Tuft: I told you so
@Grasshopper: You didn’t sound happy about him and mouthing Glenwood yesterday?
@BOG: Everybody needs to move on. If I can now become a GW supporter. Then all is possible.
@BOG: WTF
@Grasshopper: Shaun Malton’s brother
@Grasshopper: The oke in the middle played with Whitely and Kyle Cooper at Glenwood and his brother now plays at Exeter Chiefs
@BOG: Yep, I wouldn’t say Glenwood Old Boys, they very special people. More Glenwood Old staff…I have seen the evidence too…..Mr Dames is off to the old capital…
@Grasshopper: Of course, as long as he doesn’t red card me. I will even give him a hug.
@Grasshopper: I hear confidentially- even seen a picture to confirm, that Bush surrounded himself with GW old boys at the Wild Coast, which probably explains his attempt at reconciliation. Speartackle , elsewhere, gives a link to that evidence.
@Bush: So you’ll get on with Greenblooded then…
@Grasshopper: Hopper, please let’s start off by not digging up the past. Leave it in the past. We all know bad things have happened. Only good can come from bad experiences. I’m a lekker oke, I even get on with ref’s. That takes a lot.
@Bush: Well then stop getting a kick out of winding people up, that is an irritating trait. Before you start about Glenwood can’t do no wrong, I have never said that. In fact I have always questioned TK and co over the years. I could post an email I sent him and his response here, but that could be used as evidence in his court case, who knows. All I want is trust and transparency, openess and truth. You are probably a lekker ou….who knows…
@Grasshopper: Whahahahaha nearly rolled my bakkie. No hatred compared to what I have been reading above for the past 2 weeks. I love everybody(Sisters included) and everything. Be it Green, Grey,Maroon, English,Afrikaans,Zulu,Indian, Coloured, Japanese,Chinese, Portuguese. Makes no difference to me. Viva SA Viva.
I shout at taxi drivers, in fact all bad drivers. I shout at my TV when it goes black and white.
I get pissed, say stupid things. I stay sober, say stupid things. I’m human after all. Hell man, I’m glad to be alive and living everyday to the best that I can. Viva SA Viva.
Just shout if you need that hug.
@Bush: Morning Garden Gnome or stoute Kabouter!! Such hatred, you really do need to do some inner reflection…
@Grasshopper: Morning Racist. Take a break, do you really have to be a prick everyday of your stupid life
@BrotherBear: How can something that is scientifically measureable, be racist? Correction on your comment. I believe that Asians are second after the Jewish community. But here is something for you to digest. My daughter, belonging to the 3rd/4th highest group, is about to teach the Asians Oxford English soon?? In the meantime, back in SA, Sparrow is fined R150 000 for making derogatory remarks about blacks, while a black who calls for the murder of white men, women, babies , cripples and the blind, is given a bursary by the government to study. https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1001349369990769&set=gm.1668801733431762&type=3&theater
@BrotherBear: One could say whites are better swimmers, but that is untrue. If blacks have the opportunity they could swim just as well. BUT for swimming you normally need especially large feet, large hands, broad shoulders and over 6 foot, not a natural black physical attribute. There are obviously exceptions to the norm. Usian Bolt if trained properly could maybe compete with Phelps…
@Gungets Tuft: one can then argue that racism is quite natural.
1. Natural – facts are that in general people from an Asian background have the highest average IQ in the world. That makes them “superior”, does it not? Fact is also that “African” men and women dominate athletic sprints. That makes them “superior” does it not? To say that either race is in general better or superior to the other would however be socially unacceptable. Would be difficult to find a person that runs the fastest, jumps the furthest, is the brightest and smiles the widest, of them all. All people are good and bad at something and others are always better than us. So what?
To say that you have more “rights” than another because of this superiority is however wrong. But it happens all the time. Bright students and good athletes get bursaries where others don’t. Is that not a form of “discrimination”? Nehehe
@Gungets Tuft: I remember when doing my Business Admin course being specifically taught that the Japanese had a 25 year planning horizon as opposed to other groups that had far less. According to your definition I was being taught racism. I also did not feel personally victimised in the same way I do not have a problem when being told that ” White boys cannot jump”. Surely our diversity is our strength and even the GW okes have something to offer.
@Gungets Tuft: Not forgetting childish, insulting little comments, like “getting that through”, thereby suggesting, mostly not even subtle,that members of other cultural groups are inferior.Perhaps we should move on to average IQs of different groups and see where each one of us, fits in.
@Gungets Tuft: the thing is people subconsciously apply many prejudices in their minds, nothing to do with race. Eg stupidity is one. But if that prejudice happens to be between two people of different races people automatically assume racism. I have a few prejudices, Bush’ism & Boerboelism are just two….
@Gungets Tuft: You’re going to have a long day getting that through.
@BOG: And then there’s predictability.
Is it only because that definition might alter the nature of many arguments that South Africans have in these turbulent days. No matter, it was a dead end anyway.
@Gungets Tuft: Ja, swaer. You have the Oxford Concise, and then you have reality. Or is it called “splitting hair”?
@BOG: Racism is not about hating another race, it’s about believing that you’re superior to someone of a different race.
Definition – the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
I think it’s an important distinction.
@Candies: Yep, PBHS is gaining the Glenwood Head coach if rumours are correct. So they upping their game…
@Bush: No poaching, you make me laugh!!! Half the school comes from outside the province and ‘poaching’ or ‘enticing’ is done very quietly. Bursaries are not fully disclosed and there are plenty of silent investors. I’m no fool, I know quite a few House OB’s who tell me what actually happens. Now this isn’t exclusive to House, it happens everywhere and has done so for decades. Glenwood certainly are no angels, the Kershaw arrest proves that. BUT there are some very good people, coaches and teachers there doing their best and within the rules. They don’t have to have a winning team but to survive they need winning sports to attract fee paying kids. You see House don’t have that issue, they wallowing in old money. To survive as a Gov school these days is super tough and getting harder. The management have to think of every revenue scheme possible. Getting OB’s to contribute to building a strong sports programme is part of that. I certainly don’t need a hug or support from someone so childish and vehemently anti a very good Gov school set in an area that is fast becoming derelict. House can sit pretty in their safe multi-hectare campus looking down on the Gov schools with politicians money in their pockets (ANC MP’s sending kids there), that is fine but by living in a bubble like that the kids are not learning about the real tough world out there. I loved the fact that Glenwood was and is so diverse, with wealthy kids, not so wealthy kids and from all walks of life. A real representation of society. Good luck to House beating St Johns, St Stithians, Crawford and all the little private schools springing up everywhere…..
@Grasshopper: Well its worse with you regarding GW. They can do no wrong.
I accept that MHS are struggling and take a beating-so what. You roll polony, I roll my bakkie.
Things at MHS have changed. No poaching, no Post Matrics, no more GW fixture. How have things changed at GW? We may have a great rugby year in 3-4 years time. GW must have that year, every year or else!!!!!!
Yes I may have been there, I don’t do politics or school politics.
I’m gratefully and blessed with what I have. If I can help in any way I will always try. That means with you to Hopper-just shout if you need that hug.
@Grasshopper: A coaching gain for PBHS ? Spill the beans please…
@Bush: You were there boet talking to the oke at golf, when people leave companies they always harp on about their gripes and forget about the good stuff. Big egos at play I’m sure. I know McLaren is a great coach and will do well with the Glenwood 1st team. When I say full teams I mean around 15 across sports. I think it was about 1995 when House had at least 7 posties in the 1st team rugby. Anyway, it’s like talking to a big wall with you. Bored now…
@Grasshopper: Come on Hopper, please provide the facts of which year MHS had a full XV side with Post Matrics. Now we didn’t just have 5 imports from Grey but complete teams.
Didn’t you somewhere along the line say GW never had okes repeating years or doing “Post Matric”?
Stones at Glass Houses??? How does it go? I only got a D for English-you know the rest
The rumour from Spear is extremely disappointing, I’m gutted as GW has or is about to loose 2 top okes
@Bush: That is not news to anyone, he and Adendorff did a post matric I believe. Warren started at Glenwood in grade 9 and was young for matric like I was, 17. He didn’t play KZN schools in post matric. Difference is House had full teams of post toasties..
@Grasshopper: And you heard Warren Whitely did a Post Matric. Not sure if it was Post Matric like MHS or our friends on the Hill. Or just Matric again. It doesn’t matter, he did another year just like me. Well done to him.
Heard via the Spear grapevine of a few coaching changes at Glenwood, a gain for PBHS and Sharks under19 it seems
@Playa: Twisting my words again? Racism is a DELIBERATE attitude, hating people of a specific race or anyone who does not belong to ones own race/ethnic or cultural group. If someone is racist, he or she, is obviously insensitive too. Being insensitive, often is the result of ignorance, but is not necessarily racism. You can include “paternalism” in this group. This is a very common phenomenon in SA. Id put my late grandfather here. He spoke isiXhosa better than you (guessing), but would not socialise with blacks. Yet they came from far to consult with him, and he had tremendous respect for them, and if anyone showed any disrespect towards them, especially the elders, you were in for a hiding (that is when your ass gets whipped)of your life.
@BOG: And I am guessing that in the world according to BOG, the two are mutually exclusive?
Aargh…let me go spend a month thinking about it.
Out of all of the blah, blah, just this very simple observation. There is a very big difference between being “racist” and being “insensitive”. Go and think about that for the next month.
@star: At the end of the day Darren…rugby (and beer)is the winner
@BrotherBear: Please go back to my initial post on 1469.You wouldn’t be asking me this if you read it.You would have also noticed I had questions which no one has bothered to answer.
@Playa: you not playing fair now. Nobody said other problem does not exist, merely said that it is not the only problem.
I will listen attentively to an answer to my question.
@BrotherBear: Wrong.I suggested we fix both simultaneously.But you guys have told me the other problem does not exist.It’s all sob.So fine,let’s go ahead and get rid of quotas then so rugby can be fair
@BrotherBear: Exactly, I know I’m like a stuck record, but why should kids born since 2000 be affected by quotas now. It’s selection based on race, hence racist. It needs to be taken to the highest level possible, UN or something. The UN should then declare it unlawful and should place sporting sanctions on SA.
@Playa: I hear you – more empathy required.
Difference in arguments though – your postulation says fix one wrong with another. My postulation says – let’s move on with fairness and equality. Pity that this sounds like “mine and yours”.
What exactly do the previously disadvantaged want from:
1. Previously advantaged, and
2. Present “other colours” or “white kids”, and
3. Themselves ?
@Speartackle: That is a wonderful story indeed! Seun is a champ of a man.
@Riempies: I see you completely missed my point. But you’re right, this is going nowhere indeed.
I swear I am going to copy all this racist talk and not and publish it in a book! Might even be able to give oxford the new definition on racism.
The opinions on the subject is giving me headaches!
Oh @Beet oh @Beet were are though? Please come and save us from this boring talk. Please please please give us something different to talk about! Something in the future so that all of these politicians on this blog can stop talking about the past and all their sob stories.
My mother is English my farther Afrikaans. I grew up on a farm and my friends and myself spoke seSotho to each other. So for some or more different cultures I must then be the alt-emit racist!
This conversation is going no where!
I’m off to the driving range quickly to go and fix that massive snap hook for Wild Coast tomorrow.
Love you lots like Jelly Tots
@Playa:
I want to share another story with you.
There is a top businessman in Klerksdorp at the moment, making a million a month, his name is Seun.
Seun used to be my dad’s caddy back in the 80’s and 90’s carrying a big Titleist Tour Bag 18 holes every Wednesday and Saturday, even some Sundays getting a wage of R 100.00 plus halfway.
Seun now sponsors my son’s golf membership and all his tournament expenses
@BrotherBear: Yes, I know the context. I know the boy personally. I know the context of many others, one of which was mentioned by Hopper as ‘having made’ it in an earlier post. Some cricketers who you see as happy and jovial when they talk about how great the team environment is. You’d be surprised.
What if I told you that the major reaction of black people when whites start complaining about quotas is exactly your reaction right now.
“These whites cant let go/They’re only complaining because they feel rugby is their entitlement/Daddy will sort them out with a job anyway” and the list goes on.
I’ll tell you something for free, a lot of quota system supporters don’t support it for any other reason but for the reason that their own struggles are referred as sob stories, and get ignored. You cannot expect people to sympathise with your plight when you cant sympathise with theirs.
That is why I asked the question of shouldn’t we be focussing on both ends of this discrimination? Consensus here seems to say only one is a problem, the other are just sob stories by people looking for attention.
@Playa: I actually do not want to get involved with politics….it bores the living crap out of me…..race tensions will never die…gosh it’s all over the world.
My only contribution is that where I grew up it was predominantly afrikaans. Everybody spoke afrikaans……the petrol attendant did…….old Prakash from the corner bazaar did….even the chinaman from the off sales…………..our domestic who worked for us for 30 years helped me and my sister doing afrikaans speeches at school.
I actually accept the fact that afrikaans is deemed to be the language of the oppressor but heck man not all of us acted like racists
@Speartackle: I wonder if Athol Trollip would utter the usual “Don’t speak that language around here because ” line if he walked in on a conversation between two Xhosa staff members in the office kitchen. Have you ever listened to him speak Xhosa with your eyes closed? Have you ever heard Gary Player & Johnny Clegg speak Zulu? Ja, let’s assume that no white person gets annoyed when two black people start speaking vernacular around them, simply because a handful of whities can.
In fact, one of my biggest culture shocks was when I came to study at UCT after matric – having grown up in an environment where coloureds and whites were somewhat fluent in Xhosa…and here…zilch! It took me a while to stop saying “Molo” everytime I walked past a coloured person…then there were the whites, who didn’t know blacks could speak English (refer to Star’s writing on his sister)…with the flattering yet condescending “You speak so well, where are you from?” line. That’s what I meant with GT’s line, BrotherBear.
Speak to me in Afrikaans, that’s not being racist – but when I ask that you speak in a language we both understand, and you refuse – forcing me to learn to speak yours instead. That’s being racist. This,of course applies to me having to force you to speak Xhosa if you came to work as a manager at The Spear and Playa.
We live in an interesting country, where there is no one size fits all formula for the treatment of different people.
@star: Dont mention your sister……with Bush already in love with Hopper’s sister, I also want a blogger’s sister.
@Playa: no doubt there is still hurt for many people in RSA and the hurt cannot be wished away. To counter the hurt through whatever means does not make sense. One needs to understand the context and accept the hurt to be able to move on. Agree with @Greenblooded w.r.t. reaction on being called names – more a reflection on self than otherwise.
Your summary is a bit lacking and maybe reflects your preconceived ideas. Please read comments again if you want proof that hurtful behaviour is not condoned, but context also NNB. Do you really know what the context was when someone asked the boy to rather learn Afrikaans?
I think people are rather sick of hearing all kinds of sob stories from others requiring some kind of retribution or “reversing of fortunes”. Time to move on for all of us – life is ahead of us, not behind. Cross the bridge with knowledge of many bridges crossed but be more aware of new challenges, as they will stretch you, not the old ones. If not, we stay trapped in our own “sorrow”.
@GreenBlooded: You see you did get my point. People are too uptight and need to let go of some their personal demons.And do not worry about my sister. She can look after herself and will kick my boney ( although sexy) arse when deemed necessary.
I was a little worried that you and Playa were hitting the skids but both brought it back nicely. That beer at KERF need not be too ” frosty”
@Speartackle: Forget that, our kids are going to have to learn Mandarin or Cantonese going forward….
@star: Where is Stellies?
Very weird, my son went to a primary school in Hartebeespoortdam, one of his best friends was a boy called Kabelo, who’s mother was a docter in Mooinooi, Kabelo was a prolific cricketer who went on to Waterkloof on scholarship…….Kabelo could only speak afrikaans….when the workers at school tried to communicate with him in Tswana….he couldn’t understand them.
In grade 12 when my son was in Klerksdorp at school he was well befriended with the first team scrumhalf, Thabang Somebody ( don’t want to mention surname but the KES guys will know him as he was recruited there but couldn’t speak a word of english and returned to Klerksdorp ) ….Thabang also can’t speak or understand a word of Tswana or Northern Sotho…..he is currently studying at Pukke. If you close your eyes when either Kabelo or Thabang speak afrikaans, you’d think you’re sitting next to Pik Botha’s grandson.
I would have loved to mention a tale that happened one day at Klerksdorp but I might just ignite a massive debate between Playa and BOG
I wonder if they also felt being spoken to in afrikaans was racist??
@Playa:
“If someone called me that, I’d probably just laugh, shrug and move on.” Good man!!! Someone told me a long time ago that our reaction to the things people say about us and the names people call us is a function with a single variable – that being the size of our inferiority complex. A lot of truth there.
People need to stop being offended so easily – it simply gives control of your daily mood to unworthy people. My my personal peeve is the person who gets offended on behalf of someone else. Laugh, shrug, move on. Or come-back with a one-liner that will leave the insulter looking like a chop.
@Speartackle: Why not include Deelkraal, Grootfontein,Driefontein,Westonaria,Glenharvie and Luipaardsvlei.
My son has been diving for golf balls in Stellies to supplement his meager student allowance. His stock of balls include Taylormade Tour Preferred, Calloway Chromesofts and Srixon Z Stars. I immediately thought of you especially with the Wild Coat beckoning. 
@BrotherBear: Well then, you have lead me straight to my point, and to why it is racist…this may be a bit melodramatic, and possibly uncomfortable for some. A lack of empathy…something I preach on at least once a year on this blog. There’s a word here that Hopper used some weeks back – I had never heard of it, but bloggers came at him like at ton of bricks, even labelled as a racist, that’s how offensive it was to some. It meant absolutely nothing to me. And even now, that I know it is (I have forgotten what the word is by the way), if someone called me that, I’d probably just laugh, shrug and move on. The word has some history – and to this day, it is still offensive to the Afrikaner. One person, called one person that word, and the entire blog exploded. Hopper apologised unequivocally, sighting ignorance – good man. I also had to learn, a year or so ago that the white English speaking South African finds the word ‘umlungu’ offensive. Despite my knowledge of where it comes from, I had to accept this. Hopper is not an Afrikaner, I am not white English speaking – we were ignorant as outside looking in people.
Being forced to speak Afrikaans (in a professional environment) is as hurtful as the above for a black person. Think 16/06/1976 – I could write a book – bu it will only sell among ANC cadres as BOG would say. I won’t say worse, as I can’t relate to the situations I’ve mentioned above. I also don’t know how it is for an English speaking white Saffa, but I do know that Keegan Daniel got himself fired from the Sharks a few years back when he spoke out about it. So I am well aware that it doesn’t just happen to black players, and that was the point of my initial post on 1469 – everything got lost because the respondents took me as just fighting for black rights. I purposely said ‘not Afrikaans/white enough’ because that line of questioning was for both those excluded/mistreated because they are either not white enough, or not Afrikaans enough.
If I am to summarise responses here:
1. This is normal – happens to everyone
2. This happens on a small scale – doesn’t affect the bigger picture
3. It is not an issue – no need to do anything about it
If this is correct, this is the last you will hear from me here on the blog – though trust me you will hear of it elsewhere because it’s not something I will le go off.
@Playa: w.r.t. the GT line; I assume you mean the racist hat was blue and now it is green?
@star: Whats that GT line again…the more things change, the more they stay the same.
@Skopgraaf243: Yes Menloplonker…..super cold tea……and cucumber sandwiches. Looking forward to seeing Glenwood play Menlo next year…
Carletonville…..oh Carletonville
@star:
What a great anecdote ou Sterretjie. Not sure what the point was exactly – but maybe it’s cos of my inferior Glenwood education. But to throw your own sister under the bus…….Eish!!!
@Grassflopper…funny thing is, only one dwindling here is your racist roll-on looking head amongst real south africans.
Is’nt your tea getting cold or something?
@BrotherBear: Totally agree, school bias too. There are no doubt some old school racist buggers in the system but through attrition and old age it’s dwindling. At the end of the day coaches want to win and some (probably most) are on performance clauses so they will just pick the best.
@Playa: story about Dale boy ending up in Soddom & Gomorrah is quite touching, but nothing new. Other players with different shades of skin have gone through EXACTLY the same sad process. Some unions draft many more players than they need – only speculation on why but definite conversation topic. Now one person tells the boy to speak Afrikaans and suddenly he thinks it is a racist issue?? No doubt some coaches and administrators are biased, be it race related, culture related (read English, as well), old boy ties or just pure hard ass stupidity, etc, etc. Don’t go tying race to everything. Let’s rather focus on getting quality people managing the system and operating within it. There are already quality people scattered throughout the unions – time for them to also make their voices heard.
@star: Wow that was profound Starry, ye old Leafy Suburbanite.
@Playa: I think you are the ultimate trojan horse and have lulled those green techies into a false sense of security
.I cannot believe that GB is now the poster boy for intelligent debate 
I really need to put him in his place at KERF next year.
We have had discussions about the deficiency of the “narrative”. Surely a dictionary definition of racism is the ultimate form. I am reminded of my time as a post matric at Hilton in 1982 ( and no I was not brought like Bush as quite frankly I was not good enough) where for the first time there were twin girls and 3 black shell scholars. The black okes cleaned up the science and mathematics awards( so much for science must fall) and the ladies the humanities. I had economics on lock down ( pretty objective criteria) but was duly informed by the powers that it would not look good for Hilton if all the awards went to outlanders. Although I was discriminated against I refused to follow the ground zero option to take hold and for me to burn down the san and tip up the Hilton bus in protest. I remember clearly my sister coming to visit and speaking to my black comrades in that slow broken English that white people think improves the communication cycle.
I am positive that there was nothing malicious in it as she obviously knew no better but it sure was embarrassing. I am also sure that those esteemed gents who now head up major international corporations would have a good laugh about it and see it in its proper context. Sometimes we see demons everywhere but never look inside.
@Grasshopper:
That’s the whole thing that people need to understand. We don’t have to agree with each other to engage in discussion. The rules are simple, state your point intelligently, don’t get personal, keep an open mind and try and have empathy for the other’s point of view even if you disagree with it, be open to the idea of having your own point of view changed by reasonable arguments, do not privilege the right not to be offended over reason and logic. Not that difficult.
@Playa:
I regard ou Boggie as one of them too……
@Speartackle: Given the weather report/prediction, your write up might be closer to a drama than a report on a round of golf- if you get beyond the 9th.
@Playa: Generally Id go along with that. By and large, you have remained fairly decent, despite your unwillingness to criticise the regime- actually support it. But I have no reason to think why you would not turn out a very good sangoma, if you should embark on that career path. Maybe you can join Impi on the field before matches with some bones and herbs.
@Playa: I concur with Greenblooded, your posts are always well written & add value. I haven’t seen a post from you get nasty or cretin level, a great ambassador for Dale. We don’t agree on everything but that would be boring…
@GreenBlooded: Well then, we’ll leave I at that in that case
Thanks for the compliment…though I am sure ou BOG disagrees with you on that. He might just ask you to get your head checked, or to keep away from the Klippies and Coke
Now now now……I see the blind is still educating the blind here and I cant wait for tomorrow as we’re going to Wild Coast early tomorrow morning. I have had jippo guts all night and still kakking myself this morning. I better get my strength back soon.
I heard the wind will be blowing and rain is predicted and that makes my condition even worse. I also only have a roll of one-ply with me and it’s as hard as skuurpapier. So sore there I couldn’t put my undies on this morning and wearing beige trousers a bit dangerous but anyway however at least I’m losing some weight
@McCulleys Workshop: I’ll leave it at either cretin or imbecile level and lets be honest here 95% of the bloggers would be excluded, especially the trolls….
@McCulleys Workshop: haha! Drum roll…..cymbal!
Player, as I have said on numerous occasions, you can throw tantrums and scream as much as you like- even write a book which may be purchased by ANC run municipalities in large numbers, it will change NOTHING to stop the decline in rugby. You can blah blah until your chickens grow teeth, but unless government interference in sport is stopped as a FIRST step, the decline will continue. That is the opinion of most ex players and current observers and rugby journalists- inside and outside of SA. Interference in sport, is contrary to the UN charter on sport, by the way. And your not so subtle support for the regime does not pass unnoticed. Its like selling snake oil. And dont come with a Gungets response to that.
@Grasshopper: Let’s be honest Hops, both the IQ and the EQ would have to be pretty low, you don’t want to exclude yourself.
@GreenBlooded: I noticed Beet has gone AWOL, not one new article for weeks. I might start my own blog & control the required IQ ?
@Playa:
Eish – I’m not going to comment on that article. You will definitely not like what I have to say. Let’s rather not ruin the friendship (and the cold one at KERF).
For the record – you are one of the okes who I enjoy following on this blog. There are very few left here who are capable of intelligent discussion on various topics. It seems this blog has been over-run by people with room temperature IQ’s. Even Captain Beet seems to have abandoned the ship in frustration……….
@Playa: I think this is an exception rather than the norm. How did Brian Habana, Gcobani Bobo etc get through the system? I have heard the exact same stories of young white players not getting game time or a chance to prove themselves. Maybe certain Unions are more racist than others because of coaching make up. Obviously bias exists, it exists at school level with teachers pets. I experienced 1st hand how one teacher did not pick certain players because he didn’t like them or their parents. These guys ended up in an almost undefeated 3rd team whilst the 1st was getting pasted. Selection bias happens for many reasons not just race. I can tell you many a Rooinek or Engelsman has been excluded because of their roots.
@GreenBlooded: The dictionary has only one definition of racism – convenience makes people have different meanings.
This is an example of intrinsic racial discrimination…one of too many examples which either get ridiculed and rubbished all too often:
http://www.rdm.co.za/sport/2015/06/04/a-young-black-star-s-painful-encounter-with-the-racism-of-rugby
My question: Is this discrimination a manifestation of the frustration white people have with quotas, or is it a lingering continuance of the racial prejudices that had existed before – which led to quotas being (wrongfully) imposed to correct?
I’ll debate the merits of your answer, even I disagree I promise. And if the story I have posted is something foreign to you, and never knew to exist, that will also be fine. We will gladly move on, and I hope we will still share some golden nectar at KERF next year.
This bloke is a legend, spot on…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP-zON1-O-Q
@GreenBlooded: I think I need to de-colonise my mind ;-)…https://youtu.be/DPYbw452ucc
@GreenBlooded: At the moment in SA, I think only whites can be racist……that is how it comes across….
@Playa:
Great!! So we agree then that racism can mean different things to different people. So why don’t you tell me what you mean by ‘intrinsic racial discrimination that exists in our rugby’ and maybe I’ll be able to answer your question without causing offence?
Tell you the truth – I don’t even know what the term ‘racism’ means anymore. Gareth Cliff comment. Black people can’t be racist. Penny Sparrow is racist but Velaphi Khumalo isn’t. It’s all so confusing……..
@GreenBlooded: Of course, as I said this is an occurrence in some quarters, not all. Plenty schools that embraced this many moons ago both on the teacher and parent front. I wrote a piece on this blog some years back of Dale’s experience in the 90s – based on what I had witnessed then as a kid when the transition happened, to what the school is now. There are schools which are only going through that phase now, I have seen it, and I have found myself in the middle of some of those cringe worthy discussions – mostly from the stand while watching a game of SBR. I’d like to believe that it’s a small minority of people who still hold that backward view.
@GreenBlooded: Exactly, legends like Victor Tsewu (1997), Petros Methula (2001), Thulani Nteta (2001) & Nanyak Dala (2001), Brian Shabangu (2006 Deputy Head Boy), Nkululeko Marwana (2012), Mthokozisi Makhabela (2012), Sihle Nqxabi (2012), Sphamandla Ngcobo (2013), Akona Nela, Ilunga Mukendi, Percy Mngadi, M. Worral-Claire, Pina, Mtshali, Ntshingila, Mbuyazi, Xaba….to name a few…
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: You actually did not answer my question(s) at all. Instead you just told me that I have questioned, and asked for an answer to something that doesn’t exist. That is the insult. That to me is just like you saying asking me how should poor whites be accommodated as they suffer most from quota systems, and AA and I simply responded by saying “All white people are wealthy, so those policies are fine” – and this statement of mine is based purely on the fact that I have only ever been around wealthy white people – and I admit that. I would not have answered your question, but made an ignorant statement based on my limited experience.You as a person who has been exposed to poor whites, who yearn for opportunity, would/should feel offended by that. At least I would hope you do.
On the story you have used as an illustration – I will say to you – yes, I myself have seen those types of misguided ‘racist’ allegations being made. They peeve me off to the core. Even if I hadn’t, it’s not my place to say those situations don’t exist, just because none of my mates do it, or just because I have never been on the receiving end of it – it’s not my problem. Wrong – it is my problem because at the end of the day you will believe that “All blacks are like this”, and that includes me. It therefore will be in my interest to take that matter seriously, open my eyes wider, and do something about it where I can.
@Playa:
“Even at school, you might be surprised at some quarters’ unhappiness at black kids dominating sports teams in the former model C schools.”
That has not been my experience – but I don’t doubt that it probably does happen in some of the less affluent former Model C schools. If there are idiot parents who ‘don’t like too many darkies in the team’ – screw ’em. As long as it doesn’t affect team selections. You’ll probably find the kids themselves don’t mind at all. If there is one thing I’ve learned about teenage boys, the one thing that drives them is fair play.
I can tell you that the experience at my son’s high school and my old Glenwood, the black kids who excel are all there TOTALLY on merit and are respected and adored as school heroes by parents and scholars alike.
@Playa:
Ja – I have a problem with your method of debate here. It’s reflected in many instances in the national discourse unfortunately. Ask a question and then be ‘offended’ or ‘insulted’ by the answer. Really – if you think you are going to be ‘insulted’ or ‘offended’ by the answer to a question, don’t ask the question! All it does is stifle debate.
Did you notice the reaction to the guy who questioned the #sciencemustfall rocket scientist? As soon as there is a dissenting opinion, it is slammed as an ‘invasion of the safe space’ or ‘making the space antagonistic’. How can a rational debate possible take place like that??
I’ll tell you my experience of racism in rugby. And it will probably be quite different from yours. As a referee I frequently get appointed to referee matches where, lets call it a ‘traditional’ club team plays against a ‘township’ club team. The match is slated for 14.00 on a specific day at a specific place. I arrive at the field at 13.00. The ‘traditional’ team is beginning to arrive at around the same time, the changing and warm up routine starts at 13:20 and the team is ready to take the field at 13:50. The other team has not arrived yet. As per the by-laws, I wait until 14:15 and declare the team who has arrived the winner by default, pack up and leave to try and resurrect the afternoon with my family that I have sacrificed to give these 30 guys a game. The ‘township’ team start to arrive as I’m leaving. I get called a racist referee. Is that fair?
My point is that sometimes things are called racist when they actually aren’t – or what is perceived as racist by some is perceived as anything but by the other side. Think Gareth Cliff here. The racist label is actually very very easy to earn nowdays, which is why have have refused to be silenced and have my opinions formed by a desire to avoid this label at all costs.
So perhaps you need to let me know what you mean by the racism in rugby, let’s see if it actually is endemic racism and let’s take it from there. To ask a question based on an assertion that is in dispute cannot yield an intelligent response – however it seemingly can yield offence and injury.
This is for my good mates Bush, Mc, Spear, GT and co; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcK0GjTHv_o
@Playa: Good to hear. I see Dale made the Top 10 in most ranking systems. Glenwood ended up around 12th on most, falling off the apple cart after SANIX, although there is no disgrace losing to Monnas, Affies and Grey Bloem, the first two being away.
@Grasshopper: I am avoiding making any ‘predictions’…my sangoma clearly needs to go and do his BSc, as I had thought we would get hammered by everyone this year – and was proven wrong – horribly. Many grade 11s in this year’s 2nds & 3rds, and both teams had decent seasons. All I can say is I think they’ll be able to hold their own next year.
@Playa: Well it seems Dale is an annual thing for Glenwood from the 25-25 all draw to last year. How is your team looking? On paper Glenwood should be competitive.
@Playa: Take Nama Xaba, the 1st black Head Boy at Glenwood. He was the best leader and flank in the school so was there on merit only. Unfortunately for him post school he might be too small to play flank, although still playing WP Under19’s. To add to this he got 5 A’s so a true inspiration to all the boys. Andile Phehlukwayo is another I said 2 years ago would make it to the top on merit only….
@Grasshopper: Hopefully not Dale. I heard we have been drawn to play Monnas at KERF…don’t think we can deal with Glenwood on top of that…the pain would be unbearable
@McCulleys Workshop: No idea, but having Monnas, Garsfontein, Boishaai, Menlopark, Waterkloof and Grey Bloem already I don’t think it can get any tougher. Maybe Affies at KERF, if they back? Probably either one of Dale, Selborne or EG Jansen at KERF.
@Grasshopper: I am talking post-school rugby. And I get that he largely referred to KZN, he said himself that he only speaks for KZN. Even at school, you might be surprised at some quarters’ unhappiness at black kids dominating sports teams in the former model C schools. The numbers are never always a reflection of a transformed society – sometimes they are forced by circumstances. Argument for another day
@Grasshopper: That’s a great fixture list. Do you know who they are playing at KERF?
Glenwood fixtures 2017; https://www.facebook.com/glenwoodhighschool/photos/a.1551604561777155.1073741828.1548940708710207/1777386749198934/?type=3&theater
House replaced by Menlopark and Affies by Waterkloof, doesn’t get any easier does it…
@Playa: I think Greenblooded is talking about KZN, maybe it’s different in the EC. I for one have not seen any racism in rugby selection in KZN, in fact many of the KZN 1st teams have more players of colour than whites in their teams. Look at DHS, there is like 2 white kids in the side. Glenwood have had years where there have been up to 10 players of colour in the 1st team, all picked on merit. George Campbell is another, a handful of white kids.
@GreenBlooded: You have made a disappointing attempt at answering my original questions – not because I disagree with your view, but because you have not answered it at all. Your post of 5 paragraphs only dedicated one paragraph to what I would like an answer to. I have become accustomed to people who see a problem that does not affect them as something that does not exist. For 14 years of being a rugby development officer, to now being involved in player management of young professional black rugby players….believe you me, the racial discrimination in SA rugby is a MAJOR issue. But there are those people who will fight for one type of injustice, while ignoring the other. I agree with you on 4/5 of your paragraphs…but there is that one paragraph which is insulting – very insulting to those of us who have had to and still do have to put up with this treatment. I am happy that you keep great company, and hang with ou Blou Bul-Klippies types who care not about the make-up of any team. But don’t be fooled into believing that is a reflection of what goes on in union/SARU offices. One day I will write a book about it.
So I will leave that question hanging – no point in me taking it further. I will keep reading on about quota this, ANC that, development this…as if that is the only discrimination we need to rid our rugby of.
@BOG: Rubbish. Go and read it again, as a reply to Grassy’s comment about the apparent absence of racial tension in his UK office. He mentioned that mixed race couples are “the norm everywhere”.
My response was “if mixed race couples are a measure, then they are represented ….”. My implication was that they are NOT a measure. The one couple are friends from the last 20 years, they represent themselves, that’s all.
Running from nothing, you’re chasing. I don’t think my stance needs any explaining here.
@Gungets Tuft: Running from what you meant to say? You did say, or hinted very strongly, that having mixed couples conveyed some kind of political statement. And I really dont have a problem if it was for love.I have been involved in quasi politics for too long, not too notice it. So I must consult the web sites of UKIP and others, for confirmation of something you claimed? A party or individual is not xenophobic if they oppose unrestricted inflow of people into your country. Or cultural Marxism for that matter. What I did notice, was that you made no mention of the Labour Party, political home to cranks and perverts of every kind, from pedophiles to every blend of extreme left wing communism. Whenever I see that, Im reminded of the difference between intelligence, wisdom and knowledge. Much of what you say, amounts to compromise and appeasement. Its not unusual. We had it in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Zim, Angola, Mozambique—, and now SA. Most of them, have however moved on when the fantasy evaporated. So be very specific when you say something. Dont hint at something and when you are confronted with it, deny having said it.
@Grasshopper: Are you listening to yourself. Why not just give them some credit, instead of wailing along that the good old days ended the day you left the good old days. My grandmother said stuff like that about your dad, and my father bewailed it about mine and your generation. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I compete in the market place against all comers, including the so called newly entitled, the previously entitled, the oldies and the youngsters. If I can’t cut it then it’s my fault. Making it someone else’s problem just takes away my ability to change my own circumstances. Of course it’s tough, but I suppose I was forged by all those good old fashioned beatings I got from my dad and at school, and the discipline thrashed into me during national service.
@BOG: Dearie me, you are all in a froth today. Please copy and paste where I claimed marrying someone of another race proved something. I think you’ll find I said exactly the opposite. My comment to Grassy that got you blowing off steam had NOTHING to do with this diatribe of yours. BUT. If you want evidence of UKIP and Britain First racism and xenophobia you don’t need to rely on BBC “propaganda”, just go to their websites.
Nor did I say anywhere that there weren’t some ballies who are stepping up philanthropically, just that there are some that are serving time to pension in the workplace, in the same way as Grassy described the “entitled youngsters” in the racist office in which he worked.
You find what you’re looking for ou Boggie, but if you’re looking for it around me you had better turn your contact lenses inside out. I ALWAYS look for the best in people, and I frequently find it. The winning wolf is the one you feed …
@GreenBlooded: well said, but funding at the bottom needs to come from the top. I particularly like what Gary Kirsten is doing in the townships.
@Playa:
The make-up of the Springbok and other representative teams, if selected on merit along, would and should represent the make-up of the rugby-playing community of the country which is still unfortunately largely white. It’s not racism – it’s the law of averages. The challenge is to transform the rugby-playing community to be representative of the national demographic and then the make-up of national teams will naturally follow and there will be no need for quotas. You will find that black players who make it through to the national teams have come largely via the previously white (for want of a better expression) school system.
I can only speak for KZN since I have no knowledge of other provincial set-ups, but I can tell you that there is ZERO effort being made to develop rugby at grass root’s level in the townships. There are no clubs to speak of – the ones that do exist are poorly equipped and barely participate in the 4th division. There is ZERO rugby being played at township schools. Why is this the case after 20+ years of ANC rule? As I mentioned previously – the Durban Junior Club Rugby Association which I was proud to serve for 10 years, tried to make a genuine effort – but there was no funds for equipment, kit, transport to matches – NOTHING to support these efforts from the ministry of sport of the rugby unions.
So despite all the grandstanding, I am forced to conclude that the ANC government has neither the will nor the ability to do what needs to be done to develop rugby where it previously didn’t exist. Putting a self-serving, corrupt clown like Fikile Mbalula in charge of national sport is living proof of my contention. I do understand that 20 years may not be enough time (actually I think it is plenty of time) but at least some progress should have been made by now?? There has been NONE. WHY??
Your assertion that there are still old racists running rugby – perhaps there are a few – but probably a small majority. I have spent time with some of the most stereotypical Blou-Bul, Klippies and Coke, Biltong munching boere you can imagine in my time, and I can tell you plainly that they do not care a damn about what colour a Springbok is – as long as he is the best guy for the job. Perhaps in other things – but definitely not in sport.
So my point is simple. IF you want to transform rugby (notice the emphasis on IF), start at the bottom and the top will take care of itself. If there are racists at play – they will quickly get found out. I think all South Africans (whites included) just want to see a winning team – regardless of what colour they are and the way to achieve that is through intensive player development and ultimately team selection based only on merit.
@Gungets Tuft: I think that’s more to do with the parenting they got than anything else…
@Gungets Tuft: You have obviously not followed the comments by the EFF, ANC and many of their splinter groups. And that is apart from having 4 more times of legislation governing, actually restricting and excluding, the participation of whites in the (collapsing) SA economy, as they had under apartheid. And Id challenge you to present me with evidence of UKIPS supposedly “racism”, even the BNP. Stop lending your ears out to BBC propaganda and listen to what they say. Im also a mixed couple- my wife is female and Im male. Since when do you have to marry someone of a different race to prove something? That is almost perverse. And for the record, there are ballies in “retirement”who are feeding the hungry and caring for the discarded and vulnerable children- all colours, increasing by the way, in SA, by 35 000 pm !@Playa: You can throw tantrums and do backward somersaults as much as you like, until political interference is stopped- which is illegal by the way, you can talk for as long as you wish- the problems will persist. And your last comment actually says it all. Its like saying something, and following it up with “but”. That cancels and negates what you said before. In your mind, the “Not Afrikaans enough/not white enough” is the cause. Sure, and my grandfather was pope Alfonso.
@Grasshopper: I would say definitely. The youngsters that I’m fortunate enough to see coming through are ambitious, willing and damn hard workers. There’s the odd one that doesn’t cut it, but not in meaningful numbers.
I’d say about the same percentage as there are ballies just serving their time to retirement.
@Grasshopper: Great!Now we move on I hope
@Playa: global company, country is f’d!
@Grasshopper: Question the company you worked for not the country you were in mate.
@Gungets Tuft: possibly, my office in JHB had many ‘you owe me something’ twenty something’s. I missed out on the GM Digital Media role at MTN because I was too white & too male….just wrong….the chick in the role now had half my experience….
@GreenBlooded: Fully agree with your prognosis.Let me put this to you since I know you to be a reasonable man.
So,we go that route and rid ourselves of political inteference.How do woe get rid of the intrinsic racial discrimination that exists in our rugby?Do people really belive it ended in 1991,and that it only started after the current regime imposed quotas?
I ask this because I believe that quotas are like prescribing Panado to a patient who suffers from migraines.Quotas/political interegerence are not the route cause of the disease,they are the wrong prescription to a disease that existed before and still exists.
We miss the point when we define quotas as just a means to correct past wrongs.That’s just half of it.The other half is correcting current wrongs.The racists that ran rugby didn’t die out in 1991.They are still there.Running unions,running SARU.Someone white will say this is a figment of my imagination.Someone else who knows that what I am saying is true will look the other way.
My question is,and that is what I meant when in earlier post I suggested an honest and brutal discussion,is why are those who claim quotas are unjust and they are for fighting injustice,not fighting the other side of injustice?Which existing injustice came first?The one imposed by the current regime or the one that still lingers which was brought about by the previous regime?What must go first?What is the real cause of this disease?
In my view,we can do away with quotas and politicians tomorrow,get the proper grassroots stuff going,great.But that won’t solve the ‘not Afrikaans/white enough’ mentality that exists in the rugby powers of SA.
@Grasshopper: Happens in mine all the time. Not that many nationalities naturally, but the diversity of South Africa is fully represented. If mixed race couples are a measure then they’re represented by 3 different couples, one a friendship that goes back to 1995 when I worked with both in the corporate world. The corporate that, incidentally, had affirmative action way before 1990, and had desegregated internal facilities before 1990 as well, in contravention of national law. You’re preaching to the wrong congregation.
Perhaps you were in the wrong office back here …
@Gungets Tuft: dude, my office has 300 people, nearly everyone is from a different country. What an awesome place to work. No one cares about colour, culture or religion. We all drink together and joke together. Never happened in my office in SA. Mixed couples and kids are the norm everywhere.
@BOG: Overreact much??
“What a pleasure living here though were all races are treated as equals and people don’t see colour at all.”
In a country that has UKIP, Britain First, BNP. That’s my whole point. You didn’t even have a straw and you’ve built the whole man.
@BOG: yep, Guildford, Farnborough, Esher, Fleet etc are the favourite areas. I’ve avoided those and headed north to Harpenden near St Albans, very few Saffas but more arriving. Just last week my wife met 2 Saffa moms who arrived 6 weeks ago. They coming in droves!
@Grasshopper: All the SAs now living in Surrey? I lived there, precisely because there were not many SAs. Lived in Kenley, neat Caterham. A very “leafy” suburb and close to the old Kenley aerodrome which played a major role in the “Battle of Britain”, during WW II. Worth a visit with many very nice pubs. Nearest large centre, was Croydon.
@BOG: correct, no legislation around race but there will always be natural divisions based on language, culture, religion, race etc. eg half of SA live in Surrey. There are parts of London more Muslim etc but
@GreenBlooded: Just in defense of Hoppers comments, I dont think that he was saying that the UK was a paradise of racial harmony. He was merely saying that unlike SA now and under apartheid, you dont have legislation sanctioning racial discrimination. A big difference.
@GreenBlooded: Of course I agree- there is not a single place on this earth where you you will find a “racial paradise”, although I have to say that Mozambique of all places, although strongly opposed to colonialism, somehow, on the surface perhaps, manage to look past race. And what you say, is the point I have been trying to make. We can sit and discuss possible solutions from now until kingdom come, but unless we remove all forms of government interference as the very first step, we are wasting our breath and time. I did post this article a while back, and you may have missed it, but you will notice that the arguments presented by Ashwin Desai, is very close to what you are saying about the government failing in its responsibilities. “Mbalula:Hypocrite who hides government failings” http://www.rdm.co.za/sport/2016/05/03/fikile-mbalula-hypocrite-who-hides-governments-failings
@BOG:
I think the point is that the UK is by no means the melting pot of racial harmony that ou Hopper is claiming. I suspect he knows this all too well. Come to think of it – I can’t think of anywhere on earth where there is……..
Doesn’t change anything about what is happening here though. I for one, dare I say it, agree with your prognosis on the rugby scene here. If political interference is not totally removed forthwith, and rugby is left to be run by rugby people, we will enter a vortex from which we will never recover. Perhaps we are in the vortex already. If you want to transform rugby, start at the bottom. Why are there no rugby fields.clubs in the townships coaching grass roots skills to young kids?? This is where the government needs to focus it’s energy – but sadly they lack as much leadership and ability as they do with everything else. I was involved in junior club rugby for 10 years – coaching kids from 5-18 years old. When our organisation tried to reach out to kids in the townships to provide coaching and exposure to rugby, the government would not front up a single cent to support our efforts.
@Gungets Tuft: Let me respond to that too. He has gone back to the UK, but I suspect that you know that very well. Surely, you are not even trying to suggest that everyone in SA are treated equally, especially in the area of employment / sport? Im sure that your views and approach, may preserve the peace, however artificial- for a while at least, but it will certainly not preserve sport or rugby in particular. On the contrary.
@Grasshopper: I thought you had gone back to the UK?
Baie geluk aan die Hoërskool Witteberg, van Bethlehem wat die dienste van Hans Coetzee onderteken het.
@BOG: I saw that, not the clip though. What a pleasure living here though were all races are treated as equals and people don’t see colour at all.
@Grasshopper: I notice that a video of a UCT “student”, calling for the “de-colonization” of science, has gone viral. Keep your eyes open. Its funny if watched from far, but tragic if from within SA. So, after all, the report about a BSc in witchcraft, is becoming more and more believable.
@BOG: With non existent Universities what investor will plough money into the country?
@Greenman: Hoe gaan daai song, “Who let the dog(s) out?”
He skipped his Bob Martins and the fleas have invaded his mangy body again. This happens quite regularly and de-fleaing does not help much either. And as you can see, he becomes incoherent and avoids a question completely.He reminded me of Chris Harts prediction of the ZAR being R60 to the $US by 2019. I could be wrong. Now that even Trevor Manuel has said that a credit downgrade seems imminent, and the latest shenannagans (??)of the main clown, the ZAR, could end up even weaker. Perhaps he sleeps on a camel skin?
Sal die bliksem wat die Hond se hok oopgemaak het asb die donner terug sit. Tape sommer sy bek ook toe. Kan die geblaffery nie vat. Bleddie eentonig, selfde wysie
@BOG: @BOG: ai ou boggie-enige ou wat chris hart aanhaal(rand na 60 rand teen$) kan ek mos nie ernstig opneem nie
ek aanvaar jy het al n circle wank saam met die ander gcb old boys gehad vandag?
dis so swaar vir jou om te erken dat vir nou jou ou sko0ltjie van die troon gestamp is -dis nie so erg nie-jy hoef terug te delf na die 70’s om weer beter te voel nie-dis orraait
grey sal eendag weer vir boishaai klop
@BOG: You simply don’t try to talk sense to a Dog.You scream Foetsek and he runs with his tail between his leg.
We love you Boerboel.Wanebe Affie Boii????
@BOG: the okes got Rabies…..big time!
@Grasshopper: @Buddy: This should get rid of the dog. Just ask him about GCBs away record over the years, particularly against Boishaai, which he supports. He is still a new supporter though.
@boerboel: counting chickens…..love it…
@boerboel: Yes boy….
@Grasshopper: @Grasshopper: ok bet on
will be good to be rid of you
tired of your lying ,whining and self pity
goodbye
@Buddy: Classic!!!
@boerboel: Thx for all the attention to Glenwood
Just remember…..
We Love Affies en die Hond Boerboel jou poepol?
@boerboel: OK, you on. Getting bored of the site and bloggers anyway, getting off topic too much and it’s getting all political. Glenwood will be competitive next year…
sure-take the bet grasschicken!
@boerboel: you talking about yourself? My BMi and fat % are actually very good…
albeit a porky one
a chickenrunner and a chicken
@boerboel: I don’t take bets with dogs…
@Grasshopper: cant compare the 2 schools
ok -signature bet- whoever wins the other oke leaves this forum-bet on?
@boerboel: We will see…..last match was won by Glenwood
@Speartackle: boishaai vs glenwood-a mismatch
Retshegofaditswe Nche, I can now see why they call him Ox…..imagine Hugh Bladen trying to pronounce that after half a bottle of Bells…
@Speartackle: I’m looking forward to Oakdale playing Monnas and Garsfontein!!
Monnas speel teen altwee die Kaapse plaasskooltjies.
Affies and Paul Roos will also be interesting.
@Greenman: Check out their FB, where they did the war cry, in the Reunion hall this morning. A goose bump experience
@BOG: Happy Bday Grey, still setting the benchmark 161 years down the line….
@BOG: What a school and what a tradition. Proud of my roots! Congrats!
@Greenman: Yip the Affie mystery remains unsolved.
Grey celebrating its birthday today. 161 years old and going strong.
This is just awesome for Glenwood. I believe they left the best for next year! Sort of make up for the Affie mystery!
Cant wait!
Congratulations to Helpmekaar College for joining the Wildeklawer fold. Well done to the school, management, rugby coaches and players – this does not happen overnight. Thanks also to organizers for trust in the school’s rugby (and other sports’) sustainability. Now for the teams to go and deliver.
@Grasshopper:
The only decent game is Grey Bloem vs Paarl Gim followed by Glenwood’s 2 games
The rest are very disappointing
Wildeklawer fixtures, some tasty ones there; http://www.ruggas.co.za/?p=10177
@Speartackle: Your experience at least makes me feel better,having to work through the misguided proposals to resolve the challenges faced by SA rugby- minus of course, your stress release at the end. I would imagine that you put a 9mm against this fellows head and told him to sign on the dotted line.
@Speartackle: so close to Scumbilo High and you never thought of popping in to help the coaches on the preseason skills training? Some Monnas Intel would have been highly appreciated!
Yesterday I had to drive to a client to pick up something and he told me it was in Glenmore. So I took the highway and drove south and thought I’d phone him once I’m there. After a hour and a half trip I reached the little village of Glenmore and recognised it from school camps decades ago. I phoned the guy and he told me it was in Glenmore, Berea….Durban and gave me the street address. So after a few f and p words I turned around and headed back to the office. Hour and a half later I’m in the office and searched on Google Maps and eventually I found Mountain Rise street. AS I have no GPS in my Bantam I wrote down the street names where I had to turn left and right.
So then I got back on the highway towards Durban and gatvol already. took the R102 offramp and got onto Umbilo Road. Driving down Umbilo I had to look for Queen Mary street….then I realised the street names have changed…..Siaybonga Tom Drive, Aikona Ndungane Street, Dingaan Thobela Crescent but no Queen Mary. And I started getting panicky cause this area is looking heavy dodgy. It reminded me of once driving through The Bronx and Spanish Harlem on Christmas morning 1980 with the smoke filtering through the man holes and characters staring at you in slow motion. Those were the days when you could get $ 800 for R 600……believe it or not Playa….The Pik and PW era before Owen Horwood won the Nobel Prize for chemics by turning the Rand into shit.
When I reached Penzance street I knew I was completely lost and eventually I saw Glenmore Primary in front of me and knew I was close so I phoned the oke who explained to me how to get to Mountain Rise street. I almost rolled the offer to purchase around his pecker and after 5 hours from leaving the office the first time, which is only 30km away, I could finally head back.
When I got back to Umbilo Road, it was a one-way left so I turned left and then got lost again. Whilst driving in this shaky area I saw a poster against a light pole advertising Men’s Grooming. That is just what I needed and phoned the number and they explained how to get to Windermere Road. The salon was situated in a dark alley but once in, the most beautiful therapists from as far as Belarus, greeted me. What a treatment it was, manicure, pedicure, tension cure ….they cured almost everything. They were so well trained I even got a firm handshake before leaving.
So in the end it turned out to be a very successful journey and I hope the Wild Coast Sun golf trip can match yesterday
@Bush: nice! I prefer a good Glenbrynth 40 year old or Talisker myself, GM is nice too. Better for the boep that stuff…
@Grasshopper: Hops now why do you always have to be the ugly guy??? I’m on BOG’s Banting diet so the Cappie has been docked. North Coast Champagne not my style. I do a single glenmorangie, if things start to hot up. Then I gooi a double.
@Bush: rather give your choms Spear & Mc a hug after a bottle of Jamaicans finest rum or in your case Cape to Rio….
@Grasshopper: I’m here for you Hops, just shout if you need a hug……….
Old Mac Donald had a farm, hee-hi, hee-hi, ho; On the farm he had some sheep, hee-hi,hee-hi,ho, A blah blah here and a blah blah there. And so it will continue year in and year out, until f-all is left to blah blah about. And the root problem, political interference, will be ignored or avoided in a vain attempt to be politically correct and not to “offend” each other. BS is the name of the game, while rugby is being suffocated to death.
@Speartackle: Relieve me of this agony and give us the Newsletter, even just a preview will do. As I said, if you had even a moderate westerly on the Wild Coast track, it should give you enough to write about. Im sure the record of using the f-word during a round, could be under threat.
@Bush: I have to use your words, they are the only ones you seem to understand…
@Bush: I loved my childhood on the Bluff, it was super kiff bro! Never got beaten up just went through the normal Bluff surfer initiation and standard school hierarchy. My dad was a legend, never laid a hand on me, stopped drinking and smoking when my mom passed away to ensure he was a good dad. So no issues there. My issue is with people who have such envy and hate for a school doing it’s best to improve. When it does they want to tear it down. I am proud of Scumbilo High, it certainly helped me stay on the straight and narrow which I will forever be grateful for. House is probably the best school in the country but not a reality for 99.9% of families, except Bankers, Politicians and old money silverspooners. There are a handful that were lucky enough to get bursaries or paid to do post matric, lucky for them. Boerboel is just another rabblerouser nothing to be scared, bark is bigger than his bite..
@Grasshopper: Why resort to name calling and violence every time someone points out something that you have duplicated????
You must have had such a bad childhood. Dad beat the kuk out of you, you got bullied on the bus. Then became the bully.
You kukked us all out as we were not using this blog as a rugby blog, then it’s okay when you post stuff on here that has no relevance.
You kukked me out as all I can do is rolled my bakkie(Which is all I have because my Toyota was stolen outside GW) and roll polony. Words and sentences I use, then you use them. Shame.
Vat hom Boerboel, vat sy keel
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes baldy man….
@Grasshopper: Hopper, least you forget, this is strictly a rugby blog. It’s not an ode to late friends or all the antics of Woodglen Common. Lol
@Grasshopper: Hope you didn’t scare off the other kids with all that Bluffy Tightie talk on the blog
Well done to the lad – truly awesome achievement!
Off topic, seems Scumbilo guys can debate; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/matt-glasspool-excels-national-individual-debating-and-public-speaking-competition
I bet he didn’t use words like Fong Kong, rolling polony, kuk etc to win it….that left to South Coast Umlungu’s….
@Bush:
Funny enough it all began the day your brother told me I am an average rugby player, and I would need to do something academic with my life – I took to research, in the hope of being a Historian…then dad told me there’s no money in being a ‘librarian’, I need to study something ‘serious’, so I followed Hopper’s academic route 
I almost rolled my Offer to Purchase around the seller’s willy
@boerboel: I Love Affies and “Die Hond Boerboel”??
Best of luck in keeping the local black kids in Sunnyside out of Affies.Understand its only a matter of time before Affies needs to open their doors…????
@Bush: Hahahahaha
@Playa: Flip Playa, where do you get all your info??? You a walking SA Rugby book. I thought BOG had a brain, hell you have two.
@Grasshopper: I hear you…but technically, we have lost to Argentina before. They came here under the guise of South American Jaguars (which included 1 Peruvian) in 1982 and ambushed the Boks in Bloemfontein. All 8 games played against the Jaguars in the 80s were awarded test status.
@Grasshopper: What did I miss??? Please stop using my words: Rolling Polony, Rolling your car etc etc. You are Fong Kong
@Speartackle: Only now?
But what some of the opinions and comments here have shown, is that its highly unlikely that we will find a solution to the challenges faced by rugby. In the US they say, if you want to anger a conservative, tell him a lie, and a liberal, the truth. Im sure the Joe Slovo Academy included that in one of their modules. That is clear. So, what I see for the next 20-30 yrs, is blah blah blah and absolutely no progress. And the eventual death of the game, unless you regard the standards in Zim and Namibia as acceptable.
@Playa: worse is losing to Japan & Argentina, not even fathomable 5 years ago…
@Grasshopper: You finally get what I have been saying for donkey years now!
But please do define ‘worse’ given the stats provided above
Please Dale Steyn to the list
Sad to say but I am now becoming like those Mitchell’s Plain supporters with the AB gear. I’m starting to enjoy the Bok losses…..the bigger the score line the more I enjoy.
That is also the way I feel over Tiger Woods, Rafael Nadal, Andy Murray, Lewis Hamilton, Christiano Ronaldo, David Warner, Venus Williams, Kurt Darren, Faffa Beltrami and a few others
@Grasshopper: mags,fur and citrus conversion i presume?
@Grasshopper: spot on Hopper – we make the mistake of comparing ourselves to NZ when frankly we are not in the same league – 15 wins on 50 odd meetings since readmission?! Our record vs Aus is 50-50 if we are lucky so I have no idea why we constantly bleat when NZ smash us? We are at best number 2 in the world and for a short period were number 1 in 08/09
@boerboel: Yes, it’s called a BMW, ever heard of that?
@Grasshopper: you have a car??
@boerboel: So you not a redneck? Gosh, I almost rolled my car into the Thames…
Yes they did, funny that they really talked them up…
@Grasshopper: tappets are not well liked universally
and yes that was lightweight opposition-the new zealand school sent their b team to the tournament
@Playa: I think what you have highlighted is we have actually been kak since readmission and we just getting worse. Our WC wins involved tons of luck to be honest, a sick AB team and a foot in touch. The isolation might have left us in rugby dinosaur years….
@boerboel: Dude, I didn’t submit the figures for the brochure. That is the only facts we have. So are you saying Dale College, Kearsney and EG Jansen were not decent opposition? Rotorua Boys from NZ? Yes, the Affie parents who don’t like certain cultures in their houses….easy to understand…
@Speartackle: Have a little faith mate. We weren’t favourites going into 1995, and neither were we going into 2007.
From August 1992 – October 1994 when Kristie took over, the Boks had only won 5 tests out of 17 – Australia, England, France & Argentina (2). Between August 1992 – August 1997, we played the All Blacks 11 times…winning only 2 games – at the 95 World Cup, and again in 96.
Markgraff and Du Plessis managed 11 wins in 21 games…1/7 vs NZ, and 2/4 vs Aus…an oh, there was also that embarrassing series lost against one of the weakest British Lions outfits ever assembled.
@Grasshopper: fabricated statements per usual-more lies by you or the fitness coach-instead of facbricating boys weight he should have consentrated on his primary function
Maybe that would have prevented the 3 humilations suffered aganst the only decent opposition faced.
with regards to affies-there is only one side-ask the affie parents
@Roger: I’m gobsmacked!
Post the “Joe Slovo” references…all that’s left is for him to call a K@77ir Lover. Then he would have said what he really means.
@boerboel: They do focus on skills, weight and height are good to know to ensure their diets are correct. Measuring muscle mass, BMI etc are standard things to do when you measure fitness. I think you’ll find Glenwood has a great behaviour record and had many compliments on our boys etiquette from neutrals. We don’t need to ask Affies as there are always two sides to a story. It’s probably down to a few Pretoria boys being in Durban and Affies don’t like that. They are already in huge competition for the best kids from Garsfontein etc. You love to make sweeping statements but never have any facts to back them up. Do you concede that I was correct about the Glenwood pack weight?
@Grasshopper: yes sure
gw should stop fixating on weight length-focus on skills and good manners ans sportsmanlike behavior-ask Affies
@Playa: Yilento ndisithi eyonanto onoyenze kuye kungamhoyi, kengeku dala izomtya lonto leyo. Bhala nje ngomboxo.
Enyinto indiyaziyo uba akayi thandi kubhala kwam ngesi Xhosa apha…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeTTDogWQAIo6ZA?format=jpg&name=large
@boerboel: Numpty, Fred is probably the best 10 in the Currie Cup at present, but hey ho.
As for the Glenwood pack I have no idea, just for your own evidence, let’s do this slowly now, add up the following;
101kg
96kg
111kg
108kg
120kg
86kg
97kg
110kg
= 829kg
I never said 840kg, you see you like to inflate things because you not bothered to check. Those were stats submitted by the fitness coach after weighing the boys….I’ll post the Kearsney squad list next to make it a little easier for you….
@Grasshopper: Must have been a great struggle for you to to keep fred out of your bok team for end of the year?
by the way what is gw’s pack gonna weigh next year?
840 like last year
@Playa: ignore it mate – not worth the effort
@boerboel: Numpty, Gelant was the best back in SA before injury. Ox Nche would be on the bench behind Redlinghuys who is small himself (scrumming low is key). Whiteley is the only frikkin player on the field with a brain and ball skills. Ask the Kiwi’s what they think of him. You obviously one of these thick okes who thinks you try bash your way through defences rather than run into gaps and at weak shoulders. You must be a Bulls supporter….no clue at all…
@Grasshopper: You should stick to stalking schoolboys
just shows you the products these wannabee rugby school produces
Gelant–ffs what has he done-He was good at Outeniqua-talent but not ready for te
ox niche- 100 kg prop in the uk? sure
warren whitely-vliegpiel nr8 who has not played one decent test-a provinvial plauer at best
@Umtata: Ingxaki yam ndivele ndithatheke lula. Akukho nto izokuthsintsha kwelixhego, ndimncamile
@Roger: His defence is a little iffy at present, maybe give him another chance and he plays with Rohan. I remember watching Gelant at centre at school and he was immense there. I also think we need to give Willie another chance, he makes mistakes but he has moments of brilliance too…
@BOG: WOW!
We obviously have a few misguided “graduates” from the “Joe Slovo School of Philosophy” present. Lie, deceive, bullshit- do whatever, but God forbid, dont “offend”. If necessary , lick the asses of those of other ethnic origins, even pretend to love them even if you dont. Words mean everything and actions, nothing. The difference between now and previous slumps, is blatantly obvious to those observers who have not attended Joe Slovos academy or exposed their brains to bleach it, used by Hillary Clinton to send 35 000 + e-mails into oblivion. You only need to consult the opinions of local and foreign observers/former players, to realize what the difference is. But you avoid the structural damage to the game at present and conveniently so.
@Grasshopper: how can you leave Mapoe out – best outside centre in the country and combination with Rohan brilliant
@Roger: Agree with the North option, easier travelling, similar time zones and we should only commit 4 teams, very strong ones. Agree on fewer unions too and less contracts. Contracts must be performance related too.
@Grasshopper: read my comment above – bin super rugby and throw our lot in with the North, reinvent the currie cup and club rugby – then we agree. Don’t forget we won the u20 WC in 2014/13 but that means nothing – the Kiwis have basically thrown in the towel on the U20 WC. They prefer to contract their young stars directly to the franchises and ensure they are playing in the clubs and ITM cup. Benefits of a central contracting system.
further – bin the 14 presidential unions and let SA Rugby be run like a business – but good luck with that one!
Isn’t it fantastic to see our cricketers paste the world champions 5 duck – don’t see any complaints there!
For me my team for Europe would be as follows;
15) Kriel
14) Combrinck
13) Gelant
12) Janse Van Rensburg
11) Skosan
10) Pollard or Goosen
9) Hougaard (he can be a great
8) Whiteley (Capt)
7) PSTD
6) Kriel
5) Mostert
4) Eben
3) Redlinghuys
2) Marx
1) Kitshoff
Bench
Ox Nche
Thomas du Toit
Willie Le Roux
Faf de Klerk
Francois Venter
RG Snyman
Mbonambi
@Roger: selection & coaching. Back then we had hope with winning under20 WC sides & Super rugby franchises in the top 8. We only had a handful of players in Europe. I read a stat the other day, 350 professional rugby players in Europe. That is just crazy! That ‘brain drain’ has robbed us of experience. I mean Eben is 24 and has 50 caps already. Players are being fast tracked from school too quickly. Our under20 side was embarrassed this year by England. We breaking all the wrong records. 20 years ago a loss to Ireland was unheard of, let alone Argentina at home & Japan! I think a change to about 5 personnel and coach could make a big difference. However we just don’t have the depth we used to. Again I say it’s because we don’t have a strong club system moulding players to come up. Kids are missing this vital learning stage and going straight to provincial level, just because they physically big enough doesn’t mean they mentally are. Fame and fortune too early. In the 80’s you had to do your time playing big men at club level, work hard and battle a bit. These days kids are getting it on a plate, big contracts and money. I’m learning here in the UK the huge value of club rugby.
@Grasshopper: so tell me – from 2000-2003 when the Boks were getting rolled by everyone who did you blame – quotas, selections, kak coaching? Was Bok rugby finished? Why is it different now?
@Roger: it’s down to a few trolls here to stir kak, part & parcel of blogging. There are always a few trolls out there.
@BOG: the funniest thing for me is old Mac grew up in privileged white SA attending an elite school that only the top 1% of earners in the world can afford, but he really understands the plight of the poor & suppressed. He obviously speaks from experience. Straueli was as Kak as AC, nothing to do with race. Harry Viljoen kak, Carel Dup kak! The thing with Straueli is he has learnt from his mistakes and doing a great job at the Lions now.
@BOG: In 4 year’s time when we ask Rog & Co how is SA Rugby…..they’ll be staring in the distance
Whahahahaha…..I almost rolled an Offer to Purchase
Ironically, we heard much the same arguments in Zim and Namibia, about selective memories and eras. Now, years later, those eras and memories are not leaving. They are there to stay. But, history in this turbulent continent has shown us that EXPERIENCING and SEEING is the only lesson learnt.
@Umtata, @Roger: what are your takes on the demise of SA national rugby?
@McCulleys Workshop: Sunshine, this has been coming to you for months, but let me tell you in no uncertain terms, and also those others who have been too polite to tell you in your face- FO. And that is NOT Foreign Office. To suggest that I hate blacks is reprehensible. Im sure that I have more compassion for them than you or even most blacks themselves. Unlike you I just regard PC as invariably a lie, something with which you, are not too familiar with. Asscreeping, dishonesty and PC does not reflect a persons acceptance of others. On the contrary.@Speartackle: True, we will have to qualify first by winning rugbys equivalent of CAF, against Zim and Namibia. And right now, that could prove challenging. It would seem that everyone is stupid and ignorant, and that the only real and true international experts, is a small minority right here in our midst. What an honour for us lesser beings? Yeah, and my grand father was pope Alfonso V
@Speartackle: you didn’t answer the question – how is this AC era different? Out of the RS, HV mess Jake White was appointed – he backed youngsters and had a four year plan and the result was the 2007 WC. He still took some proper beatings on the way though – remember 49-0 in Brisbane? It’s always darkest before the dawn my mate. My opinion, AC is out of his depth and SARU are not helping him and if we really want to turn Bok rugby around and retain our best players we need to bin Super Rugby and play in the Heineken Cup, reinvent the Currie Cup and the Club game.
@Playa: I stopped paying attention to Bog when he said colonialism/apartheid was better for everyone.
Suzophula umgqolo uzama ucacisa into ecacileyo kwi xhego elicinga uba lazi yonke into.
@Roger: short and selective memories.
@Roger: So Roggie you say there is definitely hope then for us?
So in your opinion we can win the World Cup in 4 year’s time? Because after the 2000-2003 era we won the RWC 4 years later in France
Good luck with that mate
I hope we make it through the qualifiers first
When my 8 year old granddaughter asked me on Saturday night whether I think the Boks will ever beat NZ……………I just stared into the distance
man alive the blog has degenerated.
quick question to all those deriding the current state of bok rugby – how is this era comparable to the 2000-2003 Viljoen, Straueli era where we took some proper beatings (50 plus against Eng at Twickenam, 50+ against NZ at Loftus) and lost to the All Blacks 8 times in a row and beat Aus twice? Is it quotas, coaching, planning, selection, conditioning…….
People have short memories
@BOG: And here we have it, it had to come out sooner rather than later, it’s been veiled and disguised for months now, but your #allblacksarestupid inferences are down right insulting. I think Boishaaipa was kind to you. But narcissists like you don’t care, do you, other than about your view.
@Playa: I shall look past your insults and concede defeat. You are absolutely correct. You have managed to summarize and identify the problems in SA sport generally and rugby in particular, 100% correctly. And how is it working for you? Not at all. They did exactly the same in Zim and Namibia, also saying that things will settle, even out and eventually pick up again. Not so. Brushing over things, does not solve problems. I asked women in the Transkei, taking mussels off the rocks, using spades, why they do so, because they are causing destruction by taking everything off, from baby mussels to every other living thing. Oh, they will return, was their reply. So, I showed them the rocks where they have removed the mussels a while back and asked them if they could see new life returning? And their response? A stare into the distance. That is what the people in Zim and Namibia did and what you are doing now, in a rugby context. As far as comments and posts of deaths and the economy are concerned, that is very relevant to rugby. Rugby does not take place in isolation, those are factors which have a profound impact on sport and just about everything else in a society.
@Speartackle: The Spear and Vleis in Edenvale?
I live in Dainfern, so that won’t work chum.
@McCulleys Workshop: would actually love to share a few frosties with that bunch. Spies does however prefer @Riempies as partner for the Braamfontein franchise. Probably scared I will chase too many bootlickers away. Hehehe
@Playa: w.r.t. Your reply to 1317, did not expect a personal reply – but thanks anyway. My point is that when the bulk of good people keep quiet and remain uninvolved, then the status quo will remain. Means sticking out their (our) necks. But hell, do we want to live in moderation or live in abundance (fullness of life)?
Ah our two Joe Slovo’s on the blog. I am a racist, meaning I just want equality between races…
@Playa: Exactly………..
@McCulleys Workshop: here we go…
@Grasshopper: Agreed.Point is there’s a place to mourn those and this is not it…especially when you do it to prove a point.
@McCulleys Workshop: Clearly
@Playa: #blacklivesdontmatter
@Playa: nope, equal loss to society. It only went global with Gary as his friends live around the world. No tragic death is fair…
@Grasshopper: So was the killing of Simphiwe Pholongo.But you dont know him and his story didn’t go global and I didn’t post it here.Does he matter less than Gary Mackay?
@Playa: the killing of Gary Mackay was a tragic event recognized globally, it’s far more important than a bunch of bored middle aged men drinking, playing golf and talking kak. Sorry not comparable.
@Grasshopper: And posts about hijackings and break in should be kept in that spoof white genocide website.Don’t see that as relevant here
@McCulleys Workshop: do you know what is irrelevant is your pub crawls with Spear & Bush, those should be kept offline…
@McCulleys Workshop: Have you taken up drinking recently, or drinking for a long time, but just lost control over it?
@BOG: Joel Stransky was actually the last
On the post directed to me…the ignorant person here is actually you. You, BOG, are part of the problem…you are no better than the current regime, nor the previous one. You BOG are the one with a head in the sand mentality. You BOG are the intolerant being. You BOG are the one who the moment a perspective different to yours, you are quick to label as ‘support for the enemy’. You don’t reflect, you don’t absorb different views, you don’t disagree with substance,but with just words which you interprete to your liking. You are no different to the students who are vandalising and burning property because they want what they want. You just vandalise websites instead. I must be at least 30 years your junior, but I have learned one thing that you clearly haven’t…that out of 5 points, people will disagree on 4 and agree on 1. That 1 point Oom is a starting point. For as long as people like you exist, we will never move to that starting point in this country. We will forever be stuck on arguments – never finding a solution. But I don’t see you seeing you see that. So I will move on.
@BOG: Define by race define by religion, yawn. He wasn’t the last and it is irrelevant.
@Playa: You can express your support or opposition, say what you want, try and justify whatever, or throw a tantrum, but the bottom line is this: As long as the scenario which I outlined above, prevails, you will have the result which we now have. And that is the crux of the problem- people like you, trying to justify your opinion. You can try and convince me from now until Kingdom come, that 1+1 is equal to something else than 2, but it wont change the result. Similarly, you can try and justify the regimes interference, but it will not stop the decline in rugby or any other sport, for that matter. In fact, it would be like a waltz. You can move impressively, make circles all night long, but when the music stops, you are virtually on the same spot.@Grasshopper: Just on the point of Jewish players, it was thought at one stage, that SA should have at least one for “luck”. I think that Syd Nomis was the last
@Playa: Any kind of policy that involves racial bias is unethical and should be scrapped including BEEE, quotas….whatever. You would think SA would have learnt from Apartheid. You cannot correct imbalances by applying policies like this. As you say the only way to correct imbalances is to increase education budgets at the lowest end. Get you best teachers into the townships. These sort sorts of policies build more racial animosity. I can’t think of any other country in the world with quotas or BEEE and there are many countries with melting pots of races, religions etc. It’s like saying the Springboks must have 6 Jewish people in the team, just madness. I really do hope the global sports bodies reevaluate the SA policies and ban/boycott us until this changes. Granted our coaching needs to improve, but get rid of the policies first…
@BOG: I have said this before, and let me again place it on record. Much as I agree that political interference is a huge part of the problem, my view is that it is not the ultimate problem. We have had horrible teams at a time where there was no black biased political interference (92-97 barring the Kitch Kristie era). We have also had some good eras during the time of black biased political interference; Nick Mallet, Jake White, and I would even argue that the PDV era was successful. The common denominator in our failures since 1992 (pre black biased interference) has been in administration and coaching. In as much as the issue of quotas needs to be handled; it cannot be isolated as the root (some even incorrectly say only) cause of the problem in our rugby. Will demolishing quotas tomorrow all of a sudden fix our coaching woes? Will an inclusive approach to evolve our rugby eradicate the need for quotas? If quotas were the main problem, then all businesses that are subjected to Employment Equity standards should be failing, wouldn’t you say? A company that fails because of the imposition of EE was in trouble anyway. That’s just my view.
@Umtata: 8 teams!
I had no idea. I have never looked them up, but I’ve been of the impression that they had at least 13 (4 open & 3 in each junior age group).
Interesting that they don’t have u12s…I wonder why.
@McCulleys Workshop: Leave them with the Under20’s with Swys…
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahaha and what about my green Jeep. At least it will get over the mountain
When is Pollard coming back? He’s needed dearly.
@Playa – thanks for the response.
I looked at the Muir website, currently they can only field 8 teams max. The junior school can field about 7 teams and does not have u12 teams. I hope this changes with the DC fixture. 12 teams(high school) & at least 10 teams(junior school) that would be better.
@BOG: Me too can’t agree more………lekker.
@Grasshopper: What about Erasmus and Dames, you left them out! They should be in the running.
@BOG: Agreed. I actually feel for AC, he is a good bloke with good intentions. If only he was given or allowed to pick his support staff. I would certainly involve Johann Ackerman in some capacity, Rassie, Mallett, White….whoever is willing. Zondagh, Swys…..get them in there. Although too many cooks can confuse things more. It needs to be a good balance. Can’t the rugby players break away and create a rebel league/Administration?
@BOG: I cannot agree more……
@Playa: As a doctors child, you should know that treating an illness, you need to address the causes. Heck, even a sangoma without a BSc, would tell you that. Treating the symptoms and ignoring the underlying causes, is a waste of time. Very much the same with sport. Hassan Howa, had the slogan, “No normal sport in an abnormal society”. He was correct, but the same applies now. You can gather the best coach and support staff- if they would even consider the job in SA, but if you have the government and administrators interfering, you can hardly expect them to accept responsibility for the performance of the team. The same applies to the administrators. So, in SA, you now have the following: An interfering regime; incompetent and compromising administrators; and a demoralized player corps, being lured elsewhere by big money, a relaxed playing atmosphere, and merit being the only criteria. What do you think will happen? Exactly what IS happening.
@Grasshopper: I am wondering if I should answer your question seeing as you haven’t answered mine from yesterday…you claimed Ackerman has won a cup, which is true…and I asked what he has won that AC hasn’t.
To be fair, my answer lies in my response to BrotherBear below. But you already know my name.
@BrotherBear: I may have to give out my name – you’re welcome to ask Beet for it, go on google, and you will see what I do both in rugby and education. I do have an infamous side to me as I was the organiser of the rugby festival where Luke Watson spewed the “Puke” comments (much as I am not a fan of the guy, I can honestly say the media quoted him out of context),so you may want to skip that part
. I do what I can, within my means and powers to make whatever impact I can. My protest has been to voice and act at the same time. Listen and understand where people have different views to mine – stop assuming for people. To disagree with substance, not with just a different view. Debate substance, find common ground, devise a solution. Sounds dreamy, but it has worked in most of my endeavours.
How do we fix our problems in rugby, education, and the country as a whole? We all have the answer to that. Trouble is people think that their irks are more important than those of others – and that is where we have a problem.
@BrotherBear: Are you joining Spear, Buddy, T and Big Easy at the Spear and Mac tonight?
@Playa: agree that it is a bit irritating when the negative is always brought up. BUT if we know what “the f..k” is going on, why not do something meaningful about it? Agree with @BOG that we acting like frogs in slowly boiling water. Don’t really want to bring black/white into it, but “blacks” must start protesting against all the wrongs, otherwise they are deemed to just just approve and reap the benefits. “Whites” are deemed to be racist when speaking up (not that some of them don’t have a hand in the cookie jar), so their impact are limited. Time for some honest citizens to take the devil by the horns, and not just hide in the cosy corner. “Have-nots” are being misused by socialist and communist forces to sow chaos at universities. Or is it a ploy by Nzimande to detract attention from his plan to have “rich people” pay for education? First phases already deployed. No, I am no doomsday speculator. Just putting some ideas out there.
@Playa: OK, so tell me how you would fix Bok rugby?
@BOG: @Grasshopper: No I really don’t get it, and I never will clearly. Why you keep trying to get that through to my thick small town boy head is beyond me. Your wisdom, and intelligence would be better served elsewhere, gentlemen…seriously
@BOG: Exactly, the root cause is governance, right at the top. As Rob Louw tweets every week, the fish rots from the head. We cannot fix anything or paper over cracks when the root cause is not rectified. Playa might get that one day…
@Playa: You cannot talk rugby, while the underlying causes of its terminal condition, is being ignored. Its that simple.
@McCulleys Workshop: An undeniable fact of any society, is that governance, or the lack of it, has a profound impact on ALL activities in a country. When that government is not only neutral, but starts meddling in the affairs of sporting bodies, it has an even more profound impact. Thats the first challenge. If you add to that, incompetent and appeasing or compromising administration, it gets worse. Add an incompetent coaching staff and an exodus of players, drawn by money, and pushed by the combination of factors I alluded to, you have a disaster. And that is where SA is.
@Grasshopper: The thing is WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!!! Let that simmer. ou and BOG throwing these things at us everyday is not enlightening. We do have internet access, we do read the news, some of work across these universities, have family there etc….WE FUCKEN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR BLOODY COUNTRY! We come to this blog to talk rugby, not to entertain your bloody egos.
@Playa: Dude it’s a reality, academics are going. It’s not a figment of my imagination. This is a real case example. My father-in-law is world renowned ophthalmic surgeon, he left SA 15 years ago due to issues in his industry. Anyway, let’s chat about rugby then…
@BOG: @Grasshopper:
Just when I thought we were, for the first time, engaging in some constructive rugby speak, you go and pull this unsurprising stunt, Oom – disappointing. And of course, Hopper couldn’t resist to jump in with his 5 pence worth
@BOG: So what exactly is broken in SA rugby, is it just the Boks, or does it include schools where the end is nigh?
@BOG: Well this doctor and family friend of ours is looking to go. She and her husband were hijacked in their own garage in Manor Gardens near the Varsity; http://scm.ukzn.ac.za/academic-disciplines/ClinProfPractice/ClinicalSkillsDivision/Staff/DrMargaretMatthews.aspx
@Playa: Not just France, but club rugby in the UK too. But it would seem that new opportunities are being created at universities in SA for Sangomas in a non-Colonial education. Academics- that is now the uncivilized , Westernized ones, are lining up to leave SA. Do you know of any identifiable group, other the crony capitalists in the ANC, who are not queuing up to leave? http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2016/10/12/Academics-queuing-to-quit-SA
@BOG: Club level in the NH (AKA France)looks healthy by virtue of the number of foreign players in their leagues – driven largely b the big pay cheques. This is evident in their (France) national sides’ results. The best thing England did for their rugby was capping salaries, and foreign players allowed in their clubs a few years back. The benefit filtered through to the other home nations.
A leaf taken out of Spanish football, perhaps?
@McCulleys Workshop: I’m in the village tomorrow…..I have a ‘mature’ appointment there
@BOG: Ek dink daai 2 is alweer geswaai
@McCulleys Workshop: ????? not sure what you are asking? Are you in a meeting with Bush and the military (or is he naval?) icon, Captain Morgan?
@Speartackle: @Buddy: Cool jersey, its a no brainer concept. Can we make Umhlanga for mature patrons? What about “the Spear on Grass”? He may like it!
@BOG: How have they remained relevant with all the decay around them?
@Speartackle: Daai Wildcoast baan het al met my gegool. Daai een kortgat oor die kloof, dink ek, op n mooi dag, is seker omtrent n 9 yster of selfs n wedge. Maar ek was nie daar op n “mooi” dag nie, maar met n westewind van voor. En as ek reg kan onthou, het ek die sloot oorgesteek met n 3 of 4 yster, en dit na omtrent 5 pogings. Een van die redes waarom ek my stokke “opgehang” het.So, ek hoop julle het n lekker wind om dit interessant te maak. Laat ons weet hoe Bush met daai gat veral, gedoen het.@Playa: Personally, I think that rugby in the NH, is quite healthy-even at club level. But as with politics, the world is in a mess, but somehow, SA has just managed to add a dimension, and taken it a few steps further than the rest. By the way, the worlds debt now stand at $ 152 TRILLION and a total melt down is almost unavoidable. Fasten your seat belt.
@Umtata: Sources say Graeme were first choice, but weren’t too keen on reviving the fixture.Seems they’re happy with the Graeme Rugby Day arrangement.
Logistically – we once had an annual fixture against Dan Pienaar, albeit that ended 10 years ago.
Strength wise – yeah, possibly not the strongest opposition (Graeme would be stronger), but I am sure the atmosphere can more than make up for that. But hey, those Muir boys can turn in up when they want to. I think their 15As pulled a rat out of a hat against Grey this year
@Buddy: Its so small I cant see but it looks good
@Speartackle: Our very own jersey for our new Cabaret Pub Toti franchise
@Playa – With regards to the post about the Muir v Dale fixture, do you really think it will be fruitful for DC? I think adding Graeme would have been better, strength wise & logistically.
I’m sure the boys will enjoy the new atmosphere though.
@Grasshopper: Much better Mark Reason, much better!
World rugby is in a mess. All Blacks aside, only two other nations have ‘improved’ in the last 3 seasons – Argentina and England. The rest (in the top 10) I’m afraid have just gone sideways.
On de Jongh – he was poor on attack, but I do sympathise with him on defence. Not easy having to carry the defensive duties for both your inside center and your flyhalf.
@Playa: 2006 was another ‘weak’ year for Grey, even Scumbilo beat them….probably first and only time…..
@BOG: Hahaha! 1993 is when Dale beat Grey – 1994 didn’t happen remember, because a few BOGs sat around a fire post the ’93 game and decided to can the Dale fixture. The 1st teams met at Saints in ’94 though and Dale got a thumping
@BOG: oh yes and that English scribe too who knows nothing about rugby, Slot is his name. Maybe he was a lock in his day. It’s flippin sad when even twat boy Will Carling, irritation Dewi Morris & one-eyed Brian Moore feel sorry for SA, that’s just embarrassing!
Grey will always be the benchmark, others like Booishaai are just getting closer due to demographic and population redistribution. Cape Town and surrounds are like the new Joburg! The Republic of the Western Cape.
Did you see the daylight robbery story at the DHS under16 polo tourno, crazy! Brazen!
@BOG: Ek wag net vir Maandag se Wild Coast trippie dan sal ek vertel van verlede Woensdag se krieket, Vrydagaand saam die boys in Umhlanga, Saterdag se fiasko en dan Wild Coast.
@Bush: again dude my sister is in NZ happily married to a Pom, she wouldn’t touch you with a barge pole. I can rest easily at night knowing that. You too scared to divulge your real name so can’t look you up so to speak. Also, why don’t you support the school that you actually attended for 5 years at high school than the toff boys who paid you to go there, probably because it’s an unknown school in the sticks where you were a big fish in a small pond….
@Grasshopper: Player will tell you that Mark Reason has no credibility.@Speartackle: Wanneer kom daai tweede uitgawe van jou uit? Of het die nuus opgedroog op die “Slow Coast” ? Die “Spear and Bog”, sal goed doen op “Freedom Square”, previously known as the Hexagon in Queenstown. On a second level so that the patrons can stare at the goats eating the grass and the fountains which never work. And the hi-jackers and thieves going about their business, undisturbed.
@Grasshopper: Not what your sister says. Feel free to get in touch when you are in Durbs again.
@Bush: The FS never sent two teams to CW. There were people who strongly propagated that, but it was never a reality. It would have been seen as too elitist- although on merit, justified. GCB have gone through dips like these before. 1994 is an example. Goodness me, they even lost to Players Dale College, if I remember correctly. You cannot draw conclusions after 2 seasons or even 3. In 15 yrs from now, in whatever is left of SA/rugby, perhaps then only. But if I were a betting man, —-
I have decided to open up a chain of Cabaret Pubs across the country,
The first one will be opening soon in Umkomaas called the Spear and Bush……followed by one in Musgrave Rd called The Spear and Hopper.
Then in Toti called The Spear and Buddy
Krugersdorp……The Spear and Hooit
Queenstown…..The Spear and BOG
KWT….The Spear and Playa
Umhlanga……The Spear and Mac
Looking for premises near Hillbrow for the Spear and Riempies and in Edenvale for The Spear and Vleis
Anybody interested in this franchise please let me know….this is gonna be big
@Bush: dude you tiny! Spear even dwarfs you! With that beard you actually look like a garden dwarf!
Have a read; http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/85203928/mark-reason-mediocre-opponents-exaggerate-all-blacks-greatness
@Grasshopper:Come round to my House and I will show you what 100 point beating is.
@Bush: just imagine what the Cherries would do to House’s 1st team! Although Glenwood 2nds beat the Cherries. Matched teams Grey would beat House by 100 plus….carnage, especially in Bloem…..
@BOG: Morning BOG that’s a true story. I remember watching Grey’s final game last year and they beat GW with I think what some people were saying their 3 and 4th team. But then I was at the corner section of the pavilion where they serve lekker a Cappie and Coke. During my school time Free State would send two teams to CW. The A side mostly from Grey. The B team made up of other schools including Grey players. These years there is only one Freestate team with a few Grey players. Why is that? Have the surrounding schools become better? Or has Grey’s standard dropped? (Don’t include CC as we never had those teams in our time)
@McCulleys Workshop: Not too shabby if people think that a team which has been plagued by injuries,which they will not use as an excuse, ended up 3 and 2 in the “rankings”,over the last 2 seasons, seems to think that their rugby days are behind them. Despite the fact that these occasional “dips” have occurred throughout their history, a history of a 90% + winning record over a century. What would any other school, not to mention the Boks, do for such a record? And watch them next year. @Playa: I did say that denial is one way of dealing with the truth, but your last comment has reminded me, that sarcasm, is another.
@McCulleys Workshop: What?Are you blind?!?!Can’t you see they’ve been interfered with politically.Stupid selections,quotas and an exodus to Boishaai are the cause.
@BOG: I’ve been thinking about Grey, seems like their best rugby days are behind them. Although they still produce good sides, they don’t seem to produce great sides as consistently as they used to. The last few seasons haven’t been stella by their own record.
@BOG: Classic! It’s like Blade saying the Uni’s are running well ?. By the end of the year it will be 4 from 13 for Alistair…
@Playa: And reading your comments, reminds me of the Iraqi minister, who was spokesperson for Saddam during the American invasion. When the whole world was watching the Americans in Baghdad, he asked, “What Americans?” Not Chemical Ali? Its called, blinded by propaganda. In the meantime, the NZ press says that its the worst Bok team in history, primarily caused by stupid selections, quotas and the European exodus.
@BoishaaiPa: @BoishaaiPa: You know what, you bring a very good point. I’ll tell you why I say that. Cheslin Kolbe 3 years ago would have done the visionary thing in that situation, but the Kolbe of today would have probably done exactly what de Jongh did. He fell victim to those bad decisions a few times in the S18 this past season. Where do you think it went wrong?
I recall a young Morne Steyn who came onto the scene offering an all-round visionary game that kept Derrick Hougard on the bench. But the man I see today (that I have seen in the past 6 seasons or so) is a shadow of that young man.De Allende who 2 seasons ago was the go to man if you needed someone to run into space – but today, it’s head down and bash – Jan Serfontein another. Not to make excuses for his below par performances in the Championship, but we saw an instinctive visionary in Elton Jantjies when in a Lions jumper, but a donkey working on instructions he cannot understand in the green and gold.
Funnily – I commented to mate on Saturday that if Dane Coles was a SAffa playing here, he would at best be playing club rugby. Or alternatively be forced to lose some baby fat, put on muscle and go to either flank or center…but most likely wing…LOL!
@Playa: then you get Praveen under scrutiny! A watershed time really.
@Grasshopper:
Hahahaha! That really got me cracking!
As for the article – roll polony for what? This is the stuff that gets BOG going – he cant wait to tell the writer that he is a defender of the current regime, his head is in the sand, he is blind, he made the worst ever choice by coming back….and and and
@BOG: Reading your posts reminds me of conversations I had with my late grandmother. She suffered from dementia.
@BoishaaiPa: Totally agree, vision is an instinct that you either have or don’t. By Bok level it should be a given. Also at Bok level fitness should be a given, the top fitness levels one can get…..triathlete level as a min. If a rugga player can’t do a short triathlon then they need to train more. Marx could have a moving target customised for him to throw at until he hits it 10 out of 10 times. It really is simple stuff…
@Playa: This will get you and Bush rolling polony for weeks! ;-) http://www.viralbru.com/an-open-letter-to-angry-south-african-expats/
A top Rugby player should beside a topclass skills set, also have vision, for without vision you would be forever blind for oppertunities! All great players have vision..to do the right thing at the right time and be in the right place. That cannot be coached, but it can be enhanced through analyzing games and situation plays. Case in point..De Jongh gets the ball after a NZ mistake..turns around and his first instinct is to kick it downfield!..If he had kept the ball and looked more for support he could have offloaded or even if he got tackled a few meteres down the line…we would have kept possession and could have launched another attack..You don’t kick good turnaround possession away.. Simple basics and vision gone wrong. And there are many such examples of wrong choices because players lack the basic vision to do the right thing at the right time.
@Bush: It’s the Playa in me that wants to change the world.
@Playa: Your not so subtle defense of the system and status quo, is glaringly obvious. 99% of the SAs in NZ, are there as refugees, to be honest. Until the regime takes its filthy paws off sport, there will be rapid decline and imminent death. Its already terminal. Its that simple and there for all to see, unless you are as blind as a bat.
@Playa: You should have just kept quite or offered him a hug. We are going to hear all about his bad childhood and his over sized brain.
See I told you
@Grasshopper: Ok then, we will move along swiftly
@Playa: Working in digital analytics and insight, I think comprehension is actually a strength, but hey ho. Not bothered to go back and read between the lines, sorry…
@Grasshopper: Mate, with all due respect, I think you battle with comprehension. Read BOG’s (1258) post then read my response (1261) again….very slowly…take your time.
@Playa: That Sportsfreak site ripped into Moren Steyn and Damian de Allende for being above criticism, it’s got nothing to do with race. Take that out of the equation……..it’s MERIT, let’s see if that can get through. The whole team could be Chinese as long as they are there on merit..
@BOG: Well, whatever the reasons, we can safely say that he didn’t leave due to political interference – if anything else, if his reasons were career motivated, chances are it had more to do with union/club old boys’ interference more than anything.
P.S. If the ‘anything else’ you speak of is what I think it is – you or Hopper would have not missed the opportunity to post it here. Post 1215 is exhibit A.
@Playa: Robbie Fleck being one of them, no experience in coaching but now the Head Coach of our largest Union, just dumb! Jimmy Stonehouse is another good coach lost to SA. Being a good player does not mean you going to be a good coach.
@Ploegskaar: Nail on the head! One has to commend Ackerman (ex-player himself), who was handed a style of play by John Mitchell, and has made it work – as opposed to the ‘revert back to normal’ mentality most of these coaches seem to deploy when they take over a team. Plenty of aspiring coaches, with fresh ideas, and a skill set that needs experience and refinement out there – but because they are neither a coach that has been around for 20 odd years (the article Hopper sent being a case in point) nor an ex-player, we will never see them climb up.
Astute rugby brains, who understand the modern game, like Bobby Joubert and Vuyo Zangqa to name just two who spring to mind, are people we should be looking at and honing their skills – more importantly allow them to execute their ideas, their way.. Instead, we will keep crying for Jake White (who people forget he almost didn’t make it to the 2007 world cup due to poor 2005-2006 results) and Nick Mallet. Or alternatively wait for the next long serving Bok to retire so he can get a ‘tender’ in a union, and be fast tracked to the national set-up.
Dwight Who is the fellow in NZ? If he had said anything else, his letter would not have been published and certainly not quoted here. His presence is needed in SA, but I bet, for a whole host of reasons, he has sought the safe environs of NZ. The fact is that no coach with self respect will tolerate political interference from idiotic politicians who know or care zip about rugby. First step. De-politicize rugby and all other sport. Until then, accept the accelerated decline and imminent death of the game.
@Bush: On my way ………
@Speartackle: Whahaha I nearly rolled my bakkie. I’m on my way to Thirsty Whale see you there. We can watch the highlights again of Saturdays Rugby game. Then analyse Playa’s message and post something significant on the Blog.
I will be there in an hour. Look out for me and my beard. I will gooi a lekker donut in the parking lot. Hopefully I won’t run over the oke that sells the Avo’s.
@Green Mamba: Here we go…..golf, alcohol and kak…
@Bush: I’m thirsty
@Green Mamba: Thanks Snake and its Kwa-Zulu Natal.
@Bush: Let’s stick to rugby related matters please. Arrange your practice sessions and golf games on that Whatsapp group you toffees got going here in Natal
@Speartackle: Please teach me that shot, I may need it for a future visitor to these shores.
@Bush: I’m worried about that snap hook I developed at Umkomaas…also the short game
@Speartackle: This afternoon I will be off too the range. I’m going to get a game in this week. You keen for a round at Umdoni? Will help with the mental prep for Wild Coast. I will book for Thursday. Why am I say this on this blog, jis. This adds no value.
@Bush: Have you started practising?
@Speartackle: Sounds like a Hopper. He must play soccer.
@Bush: Yes, strawberry blond beard…..and glasses
@Speartackle: Who’s that? Sounds like a Viking. Does he have a beard?
The only coach currently that can save the Boks is Jurgen Klopp
@Playa: Good read, problem is too many ex-player coaches in the system, coaching from the same manuals and running the same field drills, but adding no core value. Hardly surprising that SARU even has a “Scouting Manual” with “guidelines” for buffoons that need to be accommodated in “the system” as “recruiters”.
As a point of departure we need to (re)define the function of the coaching collective in SA, and then the individual functions of the head coach,
forward coach, back line coach, defense coach, kicking coach and the various required technical and skill experts. Most importantly though, the head coach must be a student of the game, tactically sound, analytically focused, with the ability to effectively manage staff and players.
And I agree with that Runner now living in NZ regarding Marx.
Andre Esterhuizen should have been converted into a 8 long ago. He had everything to become the next Zinzan Brooke.
I do whatever Steven Gerrard does, if he grows a beard, I’ll folow
Feel the love ……
@Bush: what exactly rugbywise have you contributed? Nothing! It’s all about your golf trips, drinking and kak praat. I actually do bring facts and figures to the party.
@Grasshopper: To add to been a racist. Your list is getting as long as your nose. Isn’t Movember to grow a moustache? Not a beard, then it would be Beardvember. Have a good day. Peace brother. Don’t forget me when you are back in SA.
@Bush: it’s called Movember, ever heard of it? A charity for Prostrate cancer. Grown it for 3 months each time. Well I support GW and you anybody but GW, so good stuff. We can’t all agree. I’m beardist and dumbass’ist too..
@Grasshopper: 6 times??? Is 6 not a Flank a fetcher that SA needs. Well done for admitting to been a troll as all can talk about is GW and yourself. Well done for coming clean. It’s a step in the right direction?????
@Grasshopper: I quoted an article – those are not my assumptions, much as I agree with the writer.
Secondly – you have totally missed the point of the article. It might be worth you while to read it again and understand it before I engage you on it.
Thirdly – What has Ackerman won that Alistair hasn’t?
@Muzi: Thanks Muzi????
@Muzi: Agreed, Thomas is a loose head only. Also agree Warren needs two bruisers to create space for him to roam & link with the backs…
@Bush: grown one 6 times, my wife hates them. Yes I’m Trollist!
@Bush: ..even Lionel Messi has a beard now….hell it even looks great on Dries Swanepoel….
@Grasshopper: …loads of young quality loose head fatties in SA….Lizo & Pierre keep on getting MOTM performances….Ox is amazing…..the sharks are ruining Du Toit’s career by shifting him to 3…he’s a 1……
@Grasshopper: WW needs a player like Vermuelen at 7 & Coetzee at 6 that could get the best out of him……..
@Grasshopper: Don’t be racist towards my beard and towards Afrikaans people. It’s according to my religious beliefs I have a beard. Maybe you should try grow one. Then only real men grow beards. Check how lekker Ardendorff’s beard is. He’s a real man. Troll??? Does that include you???
I feel a hug coming on?????.
@Muzi: I’m really liking Ox Nche for the future, behind Redlinghuys to the WC
RG Snyman is another with mongrel & brains no wonder he doesn’t look out of place even at 4…..Jenkins is a 5/8/7…..
@Muzi: they don’t need to as they run around the opposition, something SA players (cough Damian de Allende) need to learn. Warren is 105kg big enough, Read is 110kg, not a huge difference.
@Speartackle: Yip….take a look at Read & Kaino….mongrel..skills & brains…..Kwagga from the lions is one of the few loose forwards in SA that has those traits…..
@Bush: cut off that ridiculous Voortrekker beard you hiding behind, grow up, talk some sense and I might have some time for you, until then your clear anti Glenwood stance and attempts to wrile me will be ignored. I have no time for trolls….
@Grasshopper: WW & Jaco Kriel can’t truck it up in the collisions they have brains BUT in test rugby against England/NZ they will lose the gain line battle…no mongrel in the tackle point….
@Playa: once again you make assumptions, I don’t care what colour the players are, just ensure you pick both coaches & players on merit. Alistair may have the most experience but what has he actually won, nothing. Mallett, White, Ackerman etc have actually won things. I agree on our coaches but we do have many very good coaches, trained to the highest levels, attending Murray Mexted courses etc. Sean Erasmus is just one. So to make sweeping statements about all our coaches being Kak is rubbish. What we lacking is a solid base of club rugby players, they are the heart and soul of the game. I’m in England now and attending club games on Sunday, good 2 to 3,000 people watching a small town team. What has happened to the Collegians, Rovers, Despatchs of the world. Your mate has got it all wrong again, it’s not about race it’s about merit. Simple as…
@Grasshopper: Racist Hopper, I feel a hug coming on. ???get in touch
@Bush: sad sad child.
@Grasshopper: No to get sucked into this again. I came across the below article from an expat living and coaching rugby in New Zealand. His name is Dwight Engelhof. I’ll just leave this here:
“Warning rugby rant ahead… A large one.
I have been brewing on this post for some time, but after what I’ve seen in the press over the last little bit I now feel as though this needs to be said. SA Rugby is in serious trouble, something I have been vocal about for sometime, but it is now only becoming truly apparent how big the problem is and how far we have sunk. However what is really pissing me off is what people are blaming and how these views are spreading.
The idea that the quota system or transformation is to blame for the demise of the Springboks is nonsense – more to the point it is complete and utter BS! And now foreigners the world over, including the kiwis I live with, are beginning to believe this rubbish. If you believe this is the cause of the Springboks demise you most likely also believe that “Reverse Racism” is a real thing. If you do have these views please take a minute to think about what actually is “Reverse Racism” and how you are being blinded by ignorance, prejudice and fear.
Until 1996 the All Blacks had never won a test series against South Africa at home and there is argument that they were the best team in the world until that point. This was all achieved by only the minority of the population. So after 20 years of including the entire population into our game we should be bossing the rugby world as our playing base has massively improved. Add to this, something that most people forget, on a simple athlete by athlete comparison genetically black athletes are superior to white athletes. Don’t believe me – go look at the majority of other physical or athletic sports and so who scores highest in the physical testing scores. Or just look at the Pacific Islanders FFS!
So do not believe the BS that black players are weakening rugby in SA!
What is weakening South African rugby is a coaching crisis and this coaching crisis is the major weakness across the entire game in South Africa – i.e. it is widespread! From u6 Bulletjie rugby to the Boks – undercoating is happening. I am not only talking about the current Bok coaching team or set up. On the contrary Allister Coetzee and part of his team are the people most qualified to coach the national side at present. Their current record simply serves to reinforce how poor our coaching stocks are as they are the best on offer. Best in class as the engineers would say.
The key underlying problem with our coaching is that ‘coaches’ in South Africa are in reality only selectors, they do not coach. The South African approach/process involves either selecting who the coach views as the best players and building a game plan around these players and their limited skill sets. Or alternatively the coach deciding on a game plan/style and then selecting the players who he believes best fit that plan. There is very rarely any actual coaching going on. There is hardly time spent on improving players technical, tactical or core skills. To my knowledge this approach even goes way back.
The best example of this at present is the difference in performance between Malcolm Marx and Dan Coles in Christchurch a few weeks back. Malcolm is a phenomenal talent and offers a great deal as a player. However his core skill as a hooker is throwing the ball into a lineout and this is not yet developed – off memory he missed/skewed 3 throws in the test off the bench. He moved to hooker 6 years ago, how in six years has no-one invested in coaching him how to execute a skill under pressure?! Conversely Dan Coles did not miss a throw (his core skill) and showed off other skills that are better than the majority of the backline players in South Africa (his pass to set up Whitlock in the corner being case in point).
Marx and many other top white Springboks go to the top rugby schools in the country, are part of one of the big 5 Unions and yet they are clearly being under coached (don’t get me started on Etzebeths inability to pass!!!) So please do not tell that players of colour are weakening the Springboks, our lack of coaching and coaches are!
A large part of the coaching crisis involves the administrators of the game in SA but that is a whole separate rant and one I am still yet to fully understand. But that is not the key/major reason – coaching is. You can have the best sports administrators in the world but without top coaching not much will be achieved. Top coaches however can achieve – even with administration working against them. So coaching remains our problem.
So how to rectify this – well as supporters put pressure on your Unions to invest in coaching, knowledge and Intellectual Property of the game! If you think I am talking nonsense – go ask your Union how many IRB/World Rugby Level 3 qualified coaches are part of their Union and how many Level 3 courses they run. And not SARU or Union Levels – World Rugby. Then ask them what are their coaching pathways and how do they plan to develop world class coaches. Lastly ask them how many skills coaches that employ, then weigh this up vs how many teams they run. You might just be surprised.
And please stop blaming players of colour, because if you are you simply deflecting from what is the true shortcoming of South African rugby, and therefore you are the problem.
To continue…”
@Grasshopper: THats a good petition but unfortunately nobody gives a flying fnuck about the public outcries……maybe these rent-a-hooligans must leave the varsities and tackle the staduims
@Grasshopper: Morning Racist Hopper, going back to your thread 1196. I don’t think its bias I think its unrealistic. Adendorff is an athlete of note, much like his brother. Lets not talk about his mom and dad, what great people.
You mention you think his plays for Boland, if you were such a follower like you are on twatter then you would know he does play for Boland. Muzi is correct he should have signed with another Province.Any way its okay that you have a brain freeze every now and again. Its the High Altitude weather you are not accustomed too.
When are you back in SA? It would be great to touch base with you “Eye of the Tiger” stuff. Or even if it’s just a good old GW hug from you. Don’t forget your blazer. If you keen look me up.I don’t do twatter, Facebook or any of those social media things. I’m pretty private and like to keep my success and failures to myself. Get in touch with Beet, he’s got my number. Chat to Spear as you follow him on twatter.
By the way-Bader was the best ever Fly Half to wear the Red and White for House. He will be a Springbok soon. Maybe sooner that Adendorff and Zeilinga.
Have a lekker day, let’s hear more of your success and your bad childhood. Maybe that’s why you always want to fight people on the blog. Its okay,you can talk to me, I don’t have a couch you can lie on. We can play on the merry-go-round. Or I can push you on the swings.
@Speartackle: maybe our school system doesn’t allow enough freedom, who knows. Many boys rebel after school. Signed this petition; http://www.thesportfreak.com/south-africa/quotas-to-blame-for-poor-springbok-performance/
I often sit and wonder what goes wrong in a promising sportsman’s life. Shaun Adendorff was such a nice clean cut young man when he left Glenwood….look at him now……shaved himself bald, grew that funny beard and plastered himself with those tattoos.
Why…why….why on earth did Quinton de Kock have his whole arm tattood?
What is going on with my nation?
The All Black players have brains and mongrel…..SA only mongrel
@Muzi: the thing is Warren & Jaco can actually pass, run into gaps and put other players away. Swings & Roundabouts….
Sigh players like Jaco Kriel & Warren Whitely are too passive on “D”…..in 2017 we still need rough riders like Marcell Coetzee…Duane Vermuelen…Bismark Du Plessis forwards that have mongrel……
@Grasshopper: Adendorff should have signed for WP or the Cheetahs…at the Bulls in 2017 he will have to compete for a starting place with Roelof Smit & Stoney Steenkamp two quality young open side flanks…..not to mention Nic De Jager……
@Speartackle: Gelant will only be available in 2017….
@Grasshopper: Bulls signed Adendorff for the next two years….up to this day we still don’t know why he left in the first place…..
@Speartackle: Die Parade is nog redelik, maar stap een blok in, en dit is soos derde wereld. Die naam ontgaan my nou, maar daai een hotel wat altyd gewild was onder sportspanne, is n bouval en hulle huur kamers uit per uur. En nie die enigste nie. Nee, voordat jou verbeelding op loop gaan, hulle adverteer dit groot BUITE. Natuurlik is daar n afname in belangstelling. Afgesien van politiek, bepaal resultate ook maar belangstelling en natuurlik is daar manipulasie en BS. n Paar jaar terug, het dit aan die lig gekom dat die OK regering duisende bestee het aan kaartjies wat uitgedeel is aan pelle en werknemers . Die ander sal nie n uitsondering wees nie.
@Speartackle: Daar was wragtig n ma se klomp mense en moet se dat die gees daar by die B veld baie goed was! Die Sharks het daar n wen resep om toeskouers happy te hou. Rugby vandag ,gaan mos meer as om net die wedstryd te kyk.
Die 0/19 en 0/21 semis vind ook die naweek plaas. WP se 2 spanne speel Vrydag op Nuweland beide teen die Vrystaat. Die Leeus se o/21 span speel ook Vrydag op Ellis Park teen die Bulle en Saterdag speel die Bulle se o/19 span teen die Leeus in voor wedstryd vir die Curriebeker stryd tussen Bulle en WP op Loftus.
Ons het n Buitesenter wat BinneSenter speel en n Heelagter op Buitesenter. Ons het n Linkervleuel op Regtervleuel om n Skrumskakel op Linkervleuel te akkomodeer en ons Heelagter is n Losskakel. Dit raak regtig intressant as die plaasvervangers opkom. As jy jou Linkervleuel op Regtervleuel wil vervang dan moet jy n Heelagter op stuur wat dan Heelagter speel in die plek van jou Losskakel op Heelagter en skuif dan jou Losskakel Heelagter na Regtervleuel toe. Om die kersie op die koek te sit word jou skrumskakel beseer en jy stuur n 8ste man op om jou Oopkant Flank wat nou Steelkant Flank speel te vervang sodat jou Oopkant op Steelkant na Linkervleuel toe kan skuif sodat jou Skrumskakel wat Linkervleuel speel jou beseerde skrumskakel kan vervang….. En hulle weet nie hoekom ons deurmekaar vertoon op die veld nie???
@BOG: Ja ek al amper n volbloed Haai……..Was ook baie verbaas oor Durban se strandfront hoor….baie skoon en netjies.
Selfs JoeCool’s is nog beskaaf
@Kattes-Strofes: Ek het uitgekyk vir jou en jou 50 stormjaers maar nerens gewaar en ja jong julle Krugers is special.
Wanneer speel die jonges hul semis?
@BOG: On Saturday I was walking behind 2 “officials” just before the game and overheard one saying to the other……’ they’re expecting 50 000 spectators today and some people reckon there’s a decline in interest’
@Speartackle: I hope everyone is enjoying Kruger day celebrations ,like me on 10 Oct. Went up for the rugby to Durban, but do not want to discuss the matter ! Hopefully this weekend will be much better. Off to Loftus, I go !
@Speartackle: Jy begin nou al klink soos n regte Kwa Zuller, met n ha ha hier en n ha ha daar. Tussenin n LOL en een vd dae, n
of n 
STEP 1 (Before anything else) Get rid of any political interference in the appointment of the coaching staff and the selection of the team. We see what the regime has done to “governance”. Why would they do anything else with sport?
@BrotherBear: Ha ha
@Speartackle: naaa, hoor weer die manne rus nou vir die volgende paar maande. Eet net pasta en pizza om bietjie groot te word. Sal hier by Maart inklok en bietjie fiksheid doen. Behoort dan goeie rolmaal bewegings te kan doen.
@Speartackle: People will laugh at me and say yet another Glenwood bias, but watch Shaun Adendorff, I think at Boland. That kid can fetch, he steals ball for breakfast….
@Speartackle: I like your side alot!! That Cassiem bloke in the Cheetahs impressed me. What ever happened to Harold Vorster, I liked him.
My team might change after this weekend’s semi finals……I want to have a good look at the OFS number 8 and 2
In this year’s Super Rugby only Sam Kane created more turn overs per game than CJ Velleman……..although he is like Porcelain Pat….very fragile
I would have converted Andre Esterhuizen to a 8 at school already
I know the coach at KHS wanted to but his dad said no
Jake White also wanted to and almost caused Esterhuizen to leave Sharks
@Grasshopper:
My end of year starting team
1) Steven Kitshoff ( Thomas du Toit)
2) Malcolm Marx ( Akker vd Merwe )
3) Julian Redelinghuys ( Vincent Koch )
4) Eben Etsebeth
5) Franco Mostert ( RG Snyman )
6) Jaco Kriel ( CJ Velleman )
7) Pieter Steph du Toit ( Jean Luc du Preez)
8 ) Warren Whitely ( Andre Esterhuizen )
9) Shaun Venter
10) Pat Lambie ( Jean Luc du Plessis )
11) Jumbo Ulengu
12) Rohan J v Rensburg
13) Francois Venter ( Lionel Mapoe )
14) Travis Ismael
15) Warwick Gelant
We have a problem at 6 and 8 in the forwards……no fetcher and Whitely not physical enough in the first 30 minutes
If only we had a Pocock, Hooper at 6 and a Billy Vinupola at 8
The backs are so useless we might as well pick 6 inside centres that can just tackle tackle tackle
@Speartackle: couldn’t think of another threesome accept those you had with the hot Boere Meisies up in Krugersdorp. Your Monnas man Alberts looked ok out there, maybe getting a bit long in the tooth though. Maybe we should call up old Wahl Bartmann as he would do better than some…
@BrotherBear: Ek hoor daai 2 man span van julle oefen dat die biesies bewe
@BrotherBear: Jeez, true story, I’ve just had a clip (not the Hopper bonding type of clip) from my daughter at Tuks with the riot police chasing off a crowd of vigilantes masquerading as arseholes.
@McCulleys Workshop: why don’t they pick a few of the students holding up classes at Varsities all over the country? They seem to be quite effective – hehehe.
Plus side – if they don’t get the job done then they will be too Opgef.k to cause any further mayhem.
@Grasshopper: Jeepers Hops, now I’m a stooge? I am the one defending you against Laurel & Hardy every night…….
@McCulleys Workshop: I can just imagine you 3 stooges mocking & ridiculing myself & other bloggers, must be hilarious!
@McCulleys Workshop: hopefully it’s you as it’s certainly not me….
@Skopgraaf243: some of the personnel are right, front row is strong, especially with Marx, locks Ok and learning, maybe need a battle hardened oldie in there like Juadre Kruger. Whiteley is skillful, maybe best on the bench. Backs are a gemors, not too sure where to start with them….Eish!
@Grasshopper: Spear has a few ideas on the ideal fetcher.
@Buddy…
..as a Knightrider fan you will know who “CAR” is?
(The evil twin to “Kit”!)…much like our Boks of today, they look and dress the same but my oh my are they busy with a game of their own!
Nie eers die BAGGER VANCE van rugby kan die AC red nie!
DIE KENMERKE VAN DIE BOKS BREIER:
P L A N L O O S ! ! !
D O E L L O O S ! ! !
M O E D E L O O S ! ! !
You can’t hide the shortcomings of the current coaching staff.
It is much like some players being selected on qouta’s, and when selected they claim the merit card. We have soooo much to offer, however the selectors won’t recognise the inform players!
The current problem starts and ends with the coach and selectors. When will they see what everyone else in the rugby world is seeing.
There is NO experienced players putting up a hand, yet they get gametime weekin and out!
FLO….in my opinion pretty good example, and now suddenly he is a MUST for year end tour!, what are they smoking!
De Jongh and De Allende … aijajai
….and the list goes on….
@McCulleys Workshop: where are players like Ox Nche, Thomas du Toit, RG Snyman, Jason Jenkins, Paul Willemse, Jacques du Plessis in a succession plan? These kids should be on the UK tour where you need big runners. Surely a proper fetcher needs to be found too…
@Buddy: Alister can’t pick talent, even when it’s was presented on a platter at the Spear and Anchor. But at least he is not besotted with the mature playa’s.
Complete and utter shambles this weekend, obviously the Boks were out with Bush and Spear during the week. I bet the Boks were getting wrecked when the AB’s were in their hotel rooms playing tiddlywinks…
By all accounts, for some reason,there seems to be an increase in interest in other enjoyable sportS, as opposed sport. Surfing seems to be one of those, but some are afraid that the board wont keep them afloat, and I can understand that. A friend of mine, in Umhlanga,rents out boards- the old Hawaian Long board, which caters for the more “weightier” patrons. He has mounted the long boards , each on 2 X 44 gallon drums for buoyancy, Just keep out of the shallow, otherwise you will be exposed. So, dont let your weight keep you out of the water
@Skopgraaf243: Graaf I was considering a comeback Saturday after the game…..Even called @Bush and appointed him as forward coach and @Spear as backline coach as the Boks just looked like there’s just no plan
Make use of the knowledge Alister (SARU) and surround yourself with them !!!!!
@Skopgraaf243: Perhaps show Knight Rider at 17:00 on 201. K.I.T.T would know what to do…….
@Buddy…that jersey looks as dark as future for any aspiring bok player. ….are there anybody with aspiration left out there?
@Speartackle…days of our lives?…jou voorgestel om bietjie meer diy programme of discovery maybe even history kanale te volg, maar soaps!…nothing wrong being in touch with your feminine side
@Speartackle: Spear noticed it and never in my life did a Cappie and Coke taste so K@K at the after-party
Must say that SARU needs to wake the Truck up now !!!!!
@Buddy: There were also pale white afrikaans speaking families proudly walking around with AB gear……..like BOG said………The end of a great rugby rivalry………..
Attended a braai yesterday where a 11 year old boy asked his dad……..Pappa, het ons al ooit die All Blacks gewen?
Like the sands of time….so are the days of our lives
@Speartackle: #gooinogndop
@McCulleys Workshop: Hey Trucker. Next time join us inside bud. We are not driving back home we Uber……hehehe
Merc safe in the garage and not on top of your truck
@Speartackle: Must say the guys from Micthells plain supported the AB from the cheap seats in the corner of the Tank……..Felt like a WWWWPPP game on Newlands
@Speartackle: @Buddy: Another big night at the Spear and Anchor?
BOG and I were sitting at the Suncoast Casino after the game and he spoke very wise words…….
” The end of the greatest rugby rivalry ever ”
Please listen to BOG
My volk is in sy moer
@Buddy: Saw a lot of afrikaans speaking people with that jersey at The Tank
Mmmmmm must just try this jersey. Not sure if black is my colour
@Speartackle: Agree Bud. What a lekka jol and not to speak about the Babbalaassss
I was waiting for Boerboel but he was MIA ?????
At least Friday night overshadowed Saturday
Bliksem what a k@k day at the Tank. ????
@Playa: The soothsayer comment was the result of your aspirations of becoming a BSc Sangoma
@BOG: And you say im the soothsayer.As with anything in sport…we’ll see that when it happens.For now,we’ll celebrate the ODI win.
@Playa: Lets see what happens in the tests in Australia?@Bush: You seem to be a sucker for punishment. Only thing worse you could do, is to watch the high lites of the match. Which bowlers exactly, are our “choice” bowlers?
@Bush:
Nothing makes me happier that beating the Shackle Draggers. Specially at cricket. Nice work lads.
@Bush: It’s the devil no doubt
@Playa: Hi Playa, flipper man. Aussies are struggling. It’s not even our first choice bowlers. Maybe we did that due to the Aussies sending their B team. Or maybe there is a little “The Devil Made Me Do It” going on. Who knows!!!!!
@BOG: Dankie Mnr, its advice I will use. Enjoy the day. I’m watching the NZ vs Boks game again. Hopefully they win this time round.
@BOG: Looks like the Aussie batsmen are struggling on the St George’s flatty.Are the batsmen also second grade?
@GreenBlooded: I agree on Whiteley too, very good player that will never let a side down, but not world class. His leadership is though and for me the man to lead SA to the next WC.
@Grasshopper:
Can’t argue with most of that unfortunately…..
Love to read Kiwi ratings; http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11725448
@Bush: You just need to get over the withdrawal symptoms of the “white death”, aka sugar, I hope that they tax it into oblivion. Forget about “banting”- just cut out sugar and starch, which becomes sugar when it hits the stomach. Sugar is the secret weapon of the food industry, and as addictive as the other white powder which people snort up their noses. That, essentially, is what causes hunger pangs and a craving for more. Been without it for 3 months and I feel a different person- 20 yrs younger. And shedding a few kgs is an added bonus.
@BOG: Mnr no as above I’m using your Banting diet. I’m struggling. Maybe this will become the new struggle. Any way how you doing?? Are things well? Do you need a hug ????
@GreenBlooded: One of several possibilities: 1) You got a very hard bump against the head; 2) You have been drinking rum with Bush all night, or the one I think, most likely, 3) You said it sarcastically, because, given your past wisdom, even with a bottle of rum in the belly, you could not possibly mean what you said.@Bush: Most of us love SA and SA sport, which explains why we refuse to compromise and look the other way. At least our batsmen will look good again on a St Georges flatty, and Australias second grade bowlers. Sure to guarantee at least 6 hours of drinking time for you.
@Grasshopper: Sprinkaan the racist, I hope it’s not a chip on my shoulder. I thought it was my face(head). I’m pretty happy here in SA. Have a lekker buddy in the Free State. Have a best buddy in the UK(That’s you but don’t say a word). No reason whatsoever for me to have a chip on my shoulder. I feel like another hug, let’s hug?????
@Grasshopper: Well done Sprinkaan the racist, how come you didn’t do High Jump? You look like a lekker High Jumper. Jis Radebe was a legend. Do you know his records still stand. GW was and still is an amazing school. My grand kids definetly are going there, especially if I have something to say where they should go.
Love you brother, let’s hug again???????. Call me
@Grasshopper: Did you say Bakkies ja bring him back. He’s a legend.
I did Standard 5 twice. I know you a racist. I understood it was a typo!!! It’s fine we all make mistakes. Just some of us admit them. Well done on the Half Colours for gooing the discus. It’s a little unfair though. Your Pa brought back the train wheels from Spoornet for you to gooi in the garden. Lister-James only used Sliver Spoons. No hang over I’m using BOG Banting recipe. No alcohol, I’m struggling. Love you big time Sprinkaan the racist.
@Bush: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgpzSBkU4AEDzDV.jpg:large
Zoom in on the badge, you might read ‘Athletics’, it’s a hard word for you I know. To get colours & Honours you had to make KZN or SA, like Tyrone Peacock (2.15cm in high jump), Ryan Renaud (2.12cm in high jump), Attila Dudas (100m, Long jump & triple jump), Gareth Weir, Lucky Hadebe (800m & 1500m) & Barrett Pardey (shot put). Glenwood won the D&D 5 years in a row.
@Bush: I’m surprised you actually got a Matric. Your only contribution here is rolling Bakkies & polony, very sad indeed.
@Bush: touched! Still hung over…..
@Bush: Athletics half colours you numpty, we didn’t give away awards. I threw the discus alot further than the House overgrown post matric behemoths (Lister-James & co). Typo, are = and maybe use your brain a little. Hiding behind a hipster beard is a little boy with a serious chip on his shoulder.
@Grasshopper: Sprinkaan you racist, I’m not a violent oke. I have no idea why you always want to moer me. Come on don’t burn things down that have beards. It shows your hatred. I promise to show repsect to your sissie in the morning.
I don’t like fighting, please Sprinkaan you racist, let’s not fight, I’m your future. I’m in love and have a ton of love to give. Let’s hug. You can wear your Blazer I’m okay with that???????
@Grasshopper: Saffas are the scourge of modern soceity. They are even worse than chavs. Saffas tend to infest small areas of a city quickly turning them into “no-fly zones” for anyone not of european descent.
Lekker Hopper, I see your Blazer had nothing to show for the struggle during the 90’s, you poor child. Looks like it says Perfect or Prefect. My English is bad but I love your ummmmm??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️.
@BOG: Thanks Mnr BOG I with think of that the next time I pour a Cappie. Maybe there won’t be Coke due to Sugar Tax. Move on to Single Malt or just keep on walking Blue. I love SA and it’s Sport. Viva SA Viva SA.
@Playa:
Exactly! I don’t know what Oom BOG is on about. The Bokke are the pride of the nation – definitely the best 23 players we have and a coaching team of immense capability and deep understanding of the modern game. As for casting aspersions at our Honourable Sports Minister- well that is just the last straw! How dare he make such disparaging remarks about this selfless man of vision?
@Grasshopper: At the moment, SA might struggle against Zim and Namibia, but what the heck. Its not about rugby, but using it for political gain.@Playa: What was there to “analyze”? Mind you, I could do it with two letters- a total “FU” Just one question to answer. Is there any form of interference in the appointment of the coaching staff or the selection of the players? If you struggle with an answer, let me know.@Bush: You should really reduce the quantity of Coke in your rum. It would help to put you to bed earlier.
@Grasshopper: I received a D for English but this: “You are your inebriated beard need a good klap. Wish I was there to do it…”
That makes sex for your sister.
@BOG: the Sub Saharan Africa Trinations is not far away, bring on Namibia & Zimbabwe!
@Bush: stop being such a childish twat. No Saffa wants to see the failure of the Boks. Sometimes a reality check like tonight is needed to make change. You are your inebriated beard need a good klap. Wish I was there to do it…
@BOG: Thanks BOG, I take it you rolled your silkworm and Hopper rolled his polony. Viva SA Viva SA.
@BOG: Thanks Bog for that insightful analysis.You really do add value to this blog
I do hope that entrance to the Shark Tank was free for all SAs. Otherwise, it was daylight robbery. The biggest puzzle for me, was how SA managed to get 15 points? For some old supporters watching the match sober, it must have been agony. I reckon they should give Impi a chance. Im sure he knows zip about rugby, but at least he has entertainment value. But the vertically challenged “minister” will be pleased. They are now on par with Bafana and government. Transformation completed.
@Speartackle: Next thing we need to organize you is a Sharks Jersey and a Banana Onesie. Enjoy the game??
@Bush: Eish…..Natal is a lekker place
@Speartackle: Spear, what happened? I turned my back and you were heading out the door with 2 Umhlanga Milf’s. You a legend here on the North and South Coast
@GreenBlooded: Lol…..
@Speartackle:
Maybe that massage wasn’t as professional as you thought. Did it have a happy ending?
Slowly getting ready for the Tank…..can hardly walk….dont know how I hurt my back
@GreenBlooded: It won’t be pretty if all 4 of them climb out their Green “ode to Hopper” Onesie and invade the pitch, not sure how you tackle 4 naked ventriloquists.
@McCulleys Workshop:
I hope they behave at the Tank this afternoon. We don’t want another ‘Piet van Zyl’ incident. Or worse.
Phew….what a night….just got home
@star: Star, I also decided to avoid it. I heard there was a guy called Spear creating mayhem at the George and Rooster.
@star: Natal Schools sides for first two Craven Weeks;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkL71UZXAAIzIvo?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkL71VPWYAAEUzQ?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkL71QWXEAA6SBM?format=jpg&name=large
@star: yep! ?
@Grasshopper: I presume your uncle would have been at that 1960 match at the old Kings Park.
@star: nice memory, Don Clarke was my uncles hero. Here is my uncle Dennis helping Natal beat WP in the first Craven Week; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CndlY12XEAA2cgG?format=jpg&name=large
@ McCulleys- it seems like it will be the Wes rand by the sea and I am a respectable citizen of this town. Got to be careful who I am seen with
There is a family gathering and I will try angle it to be at the OBox so I can possibly pop in later around the same time as Vleis. The problem is that Spear will have morphed into Nonnie and wIll try and jump me. 
As the ABs are playing in Durbs I thought I would dig up some history when even little old Natal were able to draw with them. Don Clark scored the try that drew the match with the old man missing him in the corner. I remind him of this constantly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGGOyr9z-D0
@boerboel: Hope you will be joining us.Jou ore gaan brand??
@Speartackle: see you at Dors Wors bud.
@GreenBlooded: Hahahaha!That’s madness
@Playa:
Can you Adam and Eve it? And the Kiwis now want to subject us to a Visa process? Should be the other way round!
@Vleis: I’ll never see 20h30. Jeepers I’m already slightly inebriated
@Speartackle: Just keep away from the disabled persons toilets
@GreenBlooded: I’ve been to Stokers quite a few times as it is/was the local watering hole of my mates from Hillcrest.
@GreenBlooded: I get it, the clientele are much to be desired…
@Grasshopper:
Never been to Waxies. Don’t enjoy the ambiance if you catch my drift.
@GreenBlooded: Hows Waxies these days?
@Vleis:
I need to introduce you okes to some proper watering holes outside the Republic of Umhlanga. Stokers for example in Kloof. Or if you really want to remind yourselves of the West Rand there is always the Wentworth Hotel on the Bluff.
@Vleis: Spear, T, Buddy and Big Easy are already there in their onesie…. it’s a big green one in memory of Hopper.
@Andre T: @GreenBlooded: @McCulleys Workshop: @Speartackle: @Green Mamba: I’ll probably get to the George at about 8.30pm, so I might see you if you’re still there…and not talking Swahili by then.
@Andre T:
What happened to Tannie Nonnie? She hasn’t blogged since Rugby 365 days when ou Paul Dobson used to block us and send us emails. Did she stop blogging or did you forget the login details?
Stuff you okes…nobody inviting me….I’ll go and party with some New Zealanders
@GreenBlooded: I’m leaving for Umhlanga now. Going for a nice massage first in La Lucia, nice special there
See you at Steak n Ale Hotblooded, Nonnie wants to meet you. She still has the hots for you
@Andre T: I heard you had already met Mavis the waitress at the George.
@Andre T:
You aren’t staying in Umhlanga?
@McCulleys Workshop: I’m here at the Elangeni, am I also welcome?
@Bush: TK would, never trusted him but what do you expect from a DHS OB…
@Green Mamba: 4pm at the George n Rooster, you welcome. @Star – Star you coming, I think Mr T, Spear, Buddy, Big Easy and Mamba are all coming.
@GreenBlooded: No man we pick those up here in Chartwell Drive.
@Andre T:
Why don’t all you Vaalies meet at the WaveHouse at Gateway, hire some of those surfboards and have a full Durban experience? I think they have some extra large super buoyant models for you okes.
@Grasshopper:
’88
@Green Mamba: The George plenty??????
@Grasshopper: And TK wouldn’t steal millions
@Bush: I don’t know pre 91, ask Greenblooded he played 2nd team prop in 89. All I know is Toppy would not have manipulated the system so if that happened it wasn’t his doing.
@McCulleys Workshop:
Hilton refused to play you? I detect a pattern here……
@McCulleys Workshop: @Green Mamba: I’m also in Umhlanga at 15h00, where are we meeting?
@McCulleys Workshop: @Bush:
I heard you guys are meeting somewhere in Umhlanga this afternoon. May I join you? Where and what time?
@Grasshopper: So GW did do that? In the 90’s ,( 89 or 90 )your schools shittist years. There was a Border Schools prop that arrived at GW. I suppose his parents got a transfer to Natal or they didn’t want him in the Army so he did Matric again. Mr A.H is a legend
@Green Mamba: lol
@Bush: Busy boy you had a blue shadow on the day you were born….
@Bush: From what I’ve seen here, looks like you stopped shaving after army
@Bush: interesting that you claim
Toppy did those things, that is in your head. Toppy is a man or morals & substance and making allegations like that is disgusting. He would never manipulate the system. Like with all schools they had pluggers and kids kept back, but they were minority. There certainly nowhere near as many as doing post matric. My dad’s famous story was that of Mike Barker who played 1st team for 4 years…
@Grasshopper: @Bush: That’s amazing! Not the first nor the last, ask the 2007 House side about their final game against an average College side, or the monster 99 side against Kearsney, after Hilton had refused to play the second game against us. Or ask @Bush about the House side playing against the Mauritius and Reunion men’s side in 91…
@Grasshopper: Only started shaving when I was drafted into the Army. Then I became a man. All other years I was a kid.
@McCulleys Workshop: In Hoppers head they won. GW have never had the equivalent players to the Post Matrics. MR A.H bought players from all over like crazy, kept players back in certain standards etc, etc, etc. It’s like kicking the same dog every time (Where is Boerboel) In any event if they still had Post Matric, I would allow my son to do it. It’s was a wonderful year of Bridging the gap. The way things are at the Varsities and no Weermag.
@McCulleys Workshop: I have a sneaky feeling Bushy boy was one of those post Matric men…
@McCulleys Workshop: can you read? House were talking up 60 points…point is kids held men to a few points difference…
@Grasshopper: Did you win the game??
@McCulleys Workshop: that 93 side was the weakest & smallest in the schools history, our locks were barely 6 foot. Collins and co dwarfed our team, but like mongrels these Glenwood boys held off the House behemoths. Barry Clarkson at No8 was immense, cutting House runners down. We had an injury to Sampaio at tight head and on ran Barrett Pardey the under15a loose-head. There was a 4 year age gap and he held his own on the wrong side of the scrum, in fact he gave Collins a working. Just loved it, a Midlands post matrics seeing their asses by kids. I think we lost in the last minute to a wing break away try the length of the field. This is where and when we started the burn down the House warcry.
@McCulleys Workshop: here is one for you Mac; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuJVn1KVMAEKgtA?format=jpg&name=large
@Bush:
If you want to talk about 1 woods, Talk to me
I don’t pull it anymore
Come Boerboel here my boy, fetch????
@Speartackle: Please don’t I’ve seen how you handle your One Wood
@McCulleys Workshop: Ja, they were so pissed off. They called us the Balgowan U20 side. But they never fielded overaged players. They were the innocent school in those days. Today things are different maybe they learnt from Balgowan Tech
@McCulleys Workshop: spuddy boy! I would prefer it in a House blazer…
@Speartackle: Only if it’s in a Glenwood blazer.
@McCulleys Workshop: thanks Mc and you can do your son from 2007’s too…
@Bush: Leyton Pardey was in grade 11 in 91 & matric 92.
Can I upload my willey?
@Grasshopper: Hops, can you upload your years books, one picture at a time?
@Bush: Bush, did you bend them in 91?
@Grasshopper: The chap in the CW blazer played in 91 and was in Matric. Did he repeat in 92 Post Matric?
@Grasshopper:Quality African beer you have in your hand, must be missing Africa or are you keeping it “real”
@Playa: The Glenwood front row in 1992 my 2nd form year; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZYCbhkVIAAt2y8?format=jpg&name=large
@Playa: here is me drinking to my good mates Bush, McShop, Boerboel & Bobhuis! ? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgpzSAmUoAEzFYy?format=jpg&name=large
@Playa: nope, No8 but I did play lock a few games when there were no locks. My big mate on the left was our Bakkies lock, at 199cm and about 165kg he is a big boy. He has to buy stuff in that Kobus Wiese shop….
@Grasshopper: Were you a lock in your playing days?
@Speartackle: You’ll need to buy BOG’s banting stuff before hand or else you’ll cause an earthquake doing the Mandoza dance at that size
@Playa: here is my mates and I front row;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnjMxbvXgAABfDd?format=jpg&name=large
@Speartackle: could be a closer game vs Glenwood in Durban in 2016 then ?
@Grasshopper: Heard the tight 5 could be suspicious next year
@Speartackle: not sure about that, I watched the under16a side and it looked pretty good to me. Add PJ No8 and a couple of others, will be very competitive…
@Playa: From what I hear Monnas will have one of their less stronger teams next year….I think they are also playing Selborne and HTS Middelburg.
Will see you there at Kearsney then….will do that Mandoza dance with you
@Speartackle: Hahahahaha!
That would be interesting.Tell your boys to show some mercy.I will be at KERF next year.I have some making up to do with Gungets and GreenBlooded for being AWOL
@Playa: I heard Monnas play Dale at Kearsney next year
@Vleis: I am not a Facebooker so I use his page and pics cause my appearance is actually more suitable for radio.
@Playa: We just need a tighthead
@Speartackle: You guys could easily make up the Bok front row.
@Speartackle: There is. He completed his studies at KES in 2014. However, although he is a very talented cricketer, he prefers rugby I think.
By the way, why is the photo of you in 1024 on AndreT’s facebook page? I’m sure that there is a reaoable explanation, as only the most heartless and cynical man, would say that you are the same person. 8)
@BoishaaiPa: Solank daar net nie n jong Gibbs erens skuil wat hom weer gaan misvang
@Speartackle: Jip..as die Ozzies hulle twee voorste boulers by die huis wil los moet hulle maar die pak vat soos dit kom. Ons gaan dalk weer sukkel in Aus, maar die hoop beskaam nie…meantime is daar nog n Waugh op die horison wat ons sake in die toekoms dalk weer kan bemoeilik..Steve se seun Austin is n 16 jarige NSW bat wat die wereld aan die brand kolf in Aus se 0/17 liga. Het alreeds vir Aus se 0/17 span gespeel as 15 jarige en blykbaar net so hard soos pappa!..Gee nog so 4/5 jaar en daar gaan weer n Waugh wees wat ons kan laat klippe kou!
@BoishaaiPa: Ag wat kom ons geniet maar die onverwagse oorwinnings oor die Aussies. Met die opkomende reeks in Aus gaan ons weer erg depro raak as hulle in n 5 dag teen 4.5 bat en die games binne 3 dae verby is.
Ek wonder net watter haarstyl gaan Steyntjie daar tentoonstel om gekamoufleer te lyk want sy nommer het hulle. Beslis nie die huidige Hitler styl nie.
Fact of the matter is that Aus chose not to bring Stark and Hazlewood and gave them a rest after the Sri Lanka series. Watson and Maxwell have been dropped from their ODI squad. Injuries to Faulkner, Pattinson, Coulter-Nile and Cummings while only two of these would probably play at any given time if all fit and available. SA missing De Villiers and Morkel due to injuries and Amla in the first two ODI’s. So two of the best batsmen in world cricket vs two of the best bowlers missing..Evens up the score a bit I think. Both sides not at full strength while SA perhaps slightly less affected, but AB is a huge loss in any team..,worth more than two bowlers in my opinion!
@Speartackle: Shane Watson, Maxwell- they have several injuries. To their credit, they are not saying it, Steyn , at the moment, looks like the worst quota in the team.
@McCulleys Workshop: Ok thanks. I believe that my mates will be going to a place called The George in Umhlanga. If that is kak, I’ll try to convince them to move to 14 on Chartwell.
@GreenBlooded: Good question, but I did not book the hotel rooms, so can’t be blamed this time. Perhaps it’s because Umhlanga was so popular when we were lighties. The beach is much worse these days, but it is nevertheless close to the airport and some good night sports, and has great hotels like the Oyster Box. I hasten to add that we won’t be staying in the latter on this trip.
P.S. Umhlanga is also pretty close to the cricket, football and rugby stadiums.
@BOG: Yes thanks Boggie for joining me last night….like we discussed last night I think the Aussies miss Starc a lot and maybe Hazlewood to a lesser degree.
Look I can’t stand that Warner outjie, he must be the ugliest Aussie since Kurtley Beale, but he can play…..he made Steyn look like a slow right arm.
I think we also have one of the worst attacks since Corrie v Zyl &Co……
@BOG: Ja, maybe they thought SA had achieved Zim status. Send a “B” team and collect a 5-0 thrashing
@Speartackle: Sorry, not guilty. Im selling Banting products, if those two gentlemen in the photo, might be interested. They look like good candidates. Much excitement, but sorry to be a damp squib, but that must be the weakest Ozzie bowling attack, ever to visit our shores. But they did say that their 5 frontline bowlers are not on tour- BEFORE they came
@GreenBlooded: Morning, Spear gets out of hand when he’s had a few cool drinks. Just look at the pictures. Its starts off like a butterfly landing on a flower and ends up like a Bull Dog mauling a bone. It was safer for me to stay at home. What a game I missed.
@Bush: Yes Bushy we had to get rid of his Grey cap and an Aussie supporter gave me the floppy as I knew the Aus anthem by heart and sang it with them.
@GreenBlooded: that was my flag stick I had to use on my Karachi friends who jumped over me every time Miller got one in the arc
@GreenBlooded: That’s a collectible from the Rum and Rascal. It doubles up as a fanbelt.
@Bwana: Hopper tends to forget that Cricket and Rugby are teams sports. The entire SA team stood up to the plate yesterday not just two individuals. The foundations were cemented up front and the building was completed by Miller and Phehlukwayo. It was an amazing game of cricket, once again our beautiful country was United as One.
@Bush:
Why weren’t you at the cricket?
@Speartackle:
What’s that white pole in your hand?
@Speartackle: Lovely to see you with an Aussie Floppy and BOG with a Sharks Cap. You okes are machines.
@Buddy: Morning Buddy, Forrest ran, he didn’t walk. Just let me know when I can come pick up that Merc.
@Bwana:
Don’t be such a h8r!
BOG and I before the game
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616514015311805&set=a.1415719235391285.1073741830.100008596656344&type=3&theater
@Grasshopper: Well I lost all respect when you let out your inner racist. All I did was state the facts and as a scientist myself facts are critical. He edged behind. Miller as the senior partner would have guided him through the innings and ensured the team got over the line. Nowhere did I say Phehlukwayo, who did do well, was bad.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616512925311914&set=a.1415719235391285.1073741830.100008596656344&type=3&theater
What a night at Kingsmead watching the GW warrior taking us home
@Grasshopper: Hopper you are now getting personal and the racist is coming out in you again.
@Bush: Bud now that you are walking so much like Forrest Gump you are welcome to use my old Merc. She is old but reliable…..
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@Bwana: that is the lowest blow of them all to a young kid starting out in cricket, lost all respect. Next thing you going to say his 4 wickets the other night were all lucky….
@McCulleys Workshop: stop using childish ridicule and I would respect you more. You were once a really good blogger with some great thought & contributions, but unfortunately the likes of Bush, Bonthuis, Boerboel and others have brought you down to their level over time. Also sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, everyone knows altitude plays s factor in sports performance, if you don’t then you denying scientific fact.
@Grasshopper: Hopper, I’m sure you are a really successful guy, and write well at altitude, however I didn’t ask if you were a MANAGER of a TEAM, I still have space for that therapy session.
@Bwana: I would have walked but that’s just me a true Gentleman and honest man right down to the core.
@Bwana: Give us the facts boet.Don’t hold back ?
@Gungets Tuft: My sources in College Road say the exact same thing. Glenwood supposedly being dictatorial at the fixtures meeting.
@Grasshopper: More like Miller taking us home and ensuring/guiding Phehlukwayo so he did not lose his head. Lucky not to have been out first ball after a blatant edge behind to the keeper.
@McCulleys Workshop: Always the victim, its never their fault!
@GreenBlooded: exactly! Phehlukwayo and Miller taking us home, what school they went to irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things. I think in Quinny, Bavuma, Andile & Kagiso SA’s cricket future is in good hands. Throw in older guys like Miller & Rillee to provide the experience. You see 3 non whites in the side on merit without quotas!
@Gungets Tuft: yes some go back home, BE not right for them, happens everywhere. Glenwood lost a few end of 2015 hence under15’s battling a bit this year. But those boys left behind will gel better now in adverse conditions and only be better for it. Steve La Marque coached them this year and said they are a talented bunch who will only get better.
@Vleis:
What is it with you Vaalies and your obsession with Umhlanga? Whenever I have clients come down they always stay in Umhlanga. If we are working in Toti, Pinetown, Hillcrest, Maritzburg- they stay in Umhlanga. And battle that morning and afternoon traffic in and out. There must be someone up in Jozi doing a superb marketing job.
@Playa:
Did you see that fine display last night – a College boy and a Glenwood boy seeing us home on KZN soil against the Shackle Draggers? Couldn’t be prouder. That embodies the rapport between the schools far more than the endless bickering, finger pointing and “I’m better than you” BS that goes on here.
@Vleis: Umhlanga Village. 14 is very talented, the rest a Forrest of Hoppers.
@McCulleys Workshop: Hello McCulleys. Where is “the village”? Thanks for the tip re 14 on Chartwell.
I will find out where my mates will be and post it tomorrow, as they arrive much earlier than I do.
@Gungets Tuft: boet where did you get that information?
All of the U14A and B boys are still present and none has left GW.Sorry to Bud ??
@Grasshopper: With regards to the “buying”, it doesn’t just happen in grades 10, 11, 12 but at grade 8 as well. Now I know all is fair in love and rugby, but there’s a limit surely. Whe just 1 of your U14A side is from in-province there’s always going to be an eyebrow twitching somewhere. For a clue, check how many of your U14A and B boys are still at Glenwood. I’m lead to believe the number that have left is quite high, a sort of change of circumstance since about October of 2014.
Cautionary tale there …
@Playa: this buying glut everyone talks about is complete rubbish. It happened for about 2 years when Glenwood brought in players like Marne Coetzee, Warren Potgieter and that kid from the Cape for 1 game. It hasn’t happened on the scale people talk about here. Weideman & Smit were imports and Bossr for 1 season. Maybe a couple of others. All of Glenwood’s SA Schools players in the past 3 years have been at the school since grade 8. So if there are kids coming in they helping depth rather than being stars. I think the haters on here need some perspective.
@Grasshopper: You asked why Northwood don’t get flack when they buy players and they lose,but Glenwood does when the do the same and win….this is why.
@GreenBlooded: Guard him and everyone who thinks differently to you
@Playa:
So you brought Tom up correct?
@GreenBlooded: On the contrary he brought it up and I warned him that when he does, Tom comes up and things get ugly from there
Hopper @ 962 to your comment at 960
Me @ 969 as a response
I mentioned Tom first I admit. But I have seen this go that route too often
@McCulleys Workshop: never had a Beano mag, only got my yearbooks & have one spreadsheet of Glenwood results given to me by Jordan (aka Oros the schools historian). Milk is for coffee and I manage a team of sales people in Digital media measurement & programmatic advertising, certainly no techie geek.
@Grasshopper: @Bush: Ya, my point Bush. And FYI Hopper, I don’t think any blame Glenwood, nor its pupils, parents or OB’s for Tom or TK. Neither should you, its no reflection on you. I have a couch, but charge R2,500 an hr, we can exorcise that overt attachment. Bring your Beano mags, school annuals and XL spreadsheets from next to your bed and we can burn those symbolically. Don’t forget the glass of milk.
@Grasshopper: Were GW the only team to be unbeaten at Michaelmas. If you referring to Mr Chetty as been the new coach, he’s been the cricket guru at GW for years. Not like he’s just arrived at GW.
@McCulleys-I’ve never been embarrassed by GW beating House and never looked for excuses. Even this years loss, we will be back.
@McCulleys Workshop: yes I was embarrassed & disappointed by TK & Tom, a few others there now too. I never once said my House & Hilton friends were official spokesman, not sure where you got that from. To avoid playing a traditional rival of 90 years plus for being too professional is pathetic. It’s 15 humans vs 15 humans, not robots. Glenwood take beatings from Affies & Grey Bloem every year, they don’t shy away from those games. They testing so good for growth & experience
@Grasshopper: Don’t confuse things, which you like to do. You were not talking about Cameron, you were talking about Old Boys who are 1. official spokesmen for their schools views 2. Know what their schools views are 3. They are embarrassed by their schools stance.
I don’t know any House or Hilton OB who is embarrassed. I do know many who are disappointed that we are not playing GW next year.
Were you embarrassed by Tom, or TK?
@Gungets Tuft: like our cricket side who just went unbeaten at Michaelmas with a new coach?
@coach: Why would you assume that College have bailed on the return fixture? Are you privy to some information we don’t have?
The last few years have seen scheduling issues in KZN where space could not be found for fixtures in KZN. College will always find a spot to play the other KZN schools at least once, sometimes even that’s not possible.
As it turns out Glenwood only had a spot for the return on week 4 of the third term, that’s when College play the Skonk 7’s. I expect you’ll understand why the Skonk might take preference …
Next year might not be the worst time to play Glenwood, rugby and hockey, given that they will have new coaches at 1st team…
@McCulleys Workshop: they are not official spokesman but both played 1st team rugby in the 90’s and know of many guys in their years that had that attitude towards Glenwood and other gov schools…….
@McCulleys Workshop: right or wrong, did Hilton poach two prominent players and captains from Glenwood at under16 level? True or false, did they poach a Westville scrum half?
@Grasshopper: Lol – you make it sound like Hilton is a guilty party… you are a beaut. Keep on blogging, you may find …
@Grasshopper: Ok – so House and Hilton old boys who are now official spokesmen for their schools, are embarrassed by the current stance of House and Hilton towards Glenwood and they have told you : “It’s a fact that House and Hilton don’t like the fact that they are being beaten by a school they always thought they were superior to”.
@Bush: nothing against private schools at all, I have quite a few silver spooner mates. Gary Teichmann, Wayne Fyvie & Hentie Maartens must be embarrassed by the boycott. Surely John Allan & Teich could work something out…
@Grasshopper: I have no idea why you have a thing towards Private Schools. I can assure you they couldn’t care a less wether they play GW or not. I think they look forward to the trip down to Umbilo. It’s a jungle on route through Umbilo to GW and I’m sure quite educational.
@McCulleys Workshop: Did you say “Sister” I’m in?????
@Grasshopper:
Is House officially boycotting us? Hadn’t heard.
@McCulleys Workshop: nope Hilton & House OB’s who are embarrassed by the current stance towards Glenwood…
@Grasshopper: I’m not sure who spoke for House, but I’ve heard nothing from them. You tapping into your best friend from Westville’s cousins sister at Kingsmead again?
@Playa: post matric lasted for many years in different disguises and levels, starting in the 70’s according to my uncle. It was a huge advantage to the schools that had it. Yes, the gov schools had the occasional plugger who played and were 19 or 20, but not a dedicated group of sportsman. Glenwood admittedly made a few mistakes with Tom & Marne Coetzee, which people now paint the school with. The school recruits fairly & squarely at grade 8 level, nothing wrong with that. Anyway, we have gone around this topic a million times. The fact is House & Hilton don’t like the fact that they are being beaten by a school they always thought they were superior too….
@Playa: Please don’t stop him, he likes the whole Tom saga. u18 vs u14 makes a man out of you.
@Playa:
The door to the post matric issue was opened with the Tom jibe!
@Grasshopper: Mate, word of advice from a lightie…let that whole post matrics thing go. Don’t bring it up every time the issue of teams avoiding GW comes up. It was dealt with when it got out of hand, and it’s over. Drumming it up to prove a point will not resolve the current situation. Rather see it as an opportunity for schools (including those that claim to be innocent of being professional) to do some introspection and see how that PM lesson can be used in resolving current issues. Huge ask as it will take some humility from all parties involved
@star: that massive 70kg wing Tom, gosh scary stuff. What about Payi from DHS, his good mate? That was the tip of the iceberg, other schools were scrambling about for weeks doing checks and hiding certain players in lower teams or they suddenly moved to tech or left school….people love to bring up Tom-gate but he & Glenwood were the scapegoat. Funny when people or organizations are successful they dig deep to find mistakes or faults. If Glenwood were losing they could field 15 overaged players and no one would care. Northwood buy half a side, no issues. Double standards deluxe!
@Bush: just loved it in about 1994, Barrett Pardey an under16A prop drilling the under19 House post matric behemoth…
@GreenBlooded: and the our own Auditors did the age checks! Hahahahaha!
@star: Qoma comes to mind, lily white Westville…
@Grasshopper: How many were repeats from other schools or repeated at lower level???? Hopper, please don’t play the dumb card. I’ve been over this a thousand times.
Everyone cried hard about Post Matrics, whereas various schools were doing the same thing. To be honest GW were the biggest cry babies. I suppose Siya did Standard 5 twice giving him a Matric.
@star:
No. Because the double identity fella cancels it out!
@star:
Bonus points!
@Grasshopper: @Playa: Lol, Hopper are you digging a moat around your laarger or are you just trying to beef up? Careful of the foot and mouth.
@Playa: Westville actually beat GW with Tom as captain.Do we get bonus points then?
@Grassy- Smit was with my son in grade 11 at Westville. That year he actually played against GW at 1st team level. I am not sure where you get your facts from but ‘cry wolf’ and issues of credibility come to mind.
@Grasshopper: Careful Grassy…you know how this story ends…then someone will say “well we never complained when we took hidings from Siya Tom for all those years”…and then things start to get really embarrassing.
@Bush: in my years at Glenwood, 1992 to 1996 only one guy plugged and played first team, Ryan Leslie a tight head prop…
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahahaha I nearly rolled my bakkie. Whahahaha
@Bush: The difference is academic!!
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes Sir that is completely correct. GW are using my Toyota for trips up to Pta.
Hopper, you have killed this thing on Post Matric. GW in those days had repeats. What is the difference????
@GreenBlooded: Does a tow truck count as a car? Bush has been putting his tow truck on the table week in and week out, he’s may have rolled it once or twice. He was so excited about Glenwood that he went and donated his Toyota to the school! Now that’s putting your money where your mouth is:
@Bwana: most of the College & Kearsney OB’s I know love the Glenwood fixture as its testing. Games are normally played in good spirit and clean. In fact, they say Glenwood boys are some of the best behaved. Schools pulling out of fixtures are obviously tired of losing.
@GreenBlooded: exactly, Glenwood took beatings from post Matric laden Private school teams for years, no complaint. Reverse it, they go running like a dog with its tail between its legs. Hilton’s excuse was Glenwood was too professional, then they hire the most expensive professional coach in the province. If they want only winning teams then they need to stick to playing Wartburg, Voortrekker, Kloof etc. There was not one player at Glenwood who joined after grade 10. Kevin Smit was late grade 10.
@coach: there wasn’t always a double header vs College, in the 90’s Glenwood were too weak. I think it only resumed around 2004, need to check results to confirm. There was always a double header vs DHS, but that is now only once a year.
@coach:
Far as I know, it’s only the ladies from Hilton who don’t want to play us. To their credit – at least they came out and said it. If other schools don’t want to play us for whatever reason they should lay their cars on the table and say so and say why like Hilton did.
If it’s due to the string of defeats then it’s a poor reason to pull out. Glenwood took it from College year in and year out when I was at school and we never ran away. I very much doubt that’s the case anyway – just a figment of your imagination. College are too proud for that. Besides – their best matches are always against GW.
What exactly is the issue anyway? Imports? All 1st team players this year were there from Gr10 I think?
@boerboel: nope…
@Grasshopper: i presume jj plays waterpolo?
@Bwana: They should be fresh for each game given that they only play once every 3 weeks. They seem to have lost a lot of friends in KZN. Any idea why nobody wants to play them.College vs Glenwood has been a twice a season fixture since day dot so it seems sad that College have baled from a double header next season in favour of a yet another long distance trip to Gauteng. Seems ridiculous to spend parents money traveling when be has traditional competitive fixtures right on ones doorstep. Maybe the extended string of victories by Glenwood over College could be the real reason? In any event is looks to be a very sad situation that schools who have such wonderful history together cannot find common ground to play.
@coach: Speaking of our friends from Nicholson Road, what are your thoughts on the proposed fixture list for them next season?
@Grasshopper: Umbiloburger is the coach, his good wife the manager and his son the referee of the SA Schools touring team to NZ at year end. Does it surprise you that only 3 GHS boys in the team. That’s one helluva selection panel!!
Can the KZN guys help out with Kearsney fixtures for 2017. I heard it is available. Just cant find it.
@Vleis: Howzit Vleis, I’ll be in the village, happy to catch up, may be a little far for Bush, Buddy, Mr T, Big Easy and Spear, and I don think Tighty Whitey can make it out the laager. 14 on Chartwell will be entertaining on a Friday. Beet has my details.
Where are all you Banana Boys going to be on Friday night? I arrive at about 8pm and then join my East Rand mates (almost as bad as the W Rand okes), but will try to convince them to join you guys if you are nearby. I’m not sure where we will be, but probably near Umhlanga, as that is where we’re staying.
@boerboel: I Love Affies ????Twat?
@boerboel: shows you know squat about polo. 3 SA Schools players, probably 2nd best in SA’s in the full game format. Jeez you have a serious OAGD!
@Grasshopper: Rondebosch fairly shit at w/polo -GW obviously not too hot at w/polo as well
GW only renowned for their very weird supporters?
@GreenBlooded: Hope his behaviour is not bad at all; must say I have never heard anything about it though either good or bad, however one thing he will soon realise is the world is less forgiving of bad behaviour when you in black and white than in Red, I am fan of his rugby philosophy and truly hope he is success at Jeppe. It is great news his addition to the staff there.
@Playa: Nah they can keep their players we have a very decent u16 group from this year and the second team which was made up mainly of Gr 11s this year was not half bad we should be fine. Although he may not even be involved with open rugby out respect to our friends from upper Yoeville
@Playa: hahaha You mean those Pretoria boys in the BEEE – otherwise they would have won by a country mile.
@Ringo: You might just score of he takes half the KES 1at team with him
@Grasshopper: They may have battled with playing polo at sea level
@McCulleys Workshop: haha! With St Johns coming 4th the tourno was of a high standard. It’s a bit like 7’s shortened chukkas. Watch out for a kid named Dylan Cronje, international standard…
@McCulleys Workshop: I heard Rondebosch played their 2nd team as the 1st team were at rugby training.
@Grasshopper: By all accounts it’s a relatively good Rondebosch side, but not quite up to their usual standard.
Bliksem what a Babalaas?????
Rondebosch win 4-2, hard luck boys! Well done Bosch. To beat that Glenwood side Bosch must be brilliant.
Glenwood into SACS final vs Rondebosch with nail biting extra time win over St Johns, 7-6. Having just lost to Clifton in the proper length water tourno, the boys will go out hard. Glenwood, not just a rugby wannabe school…
@Ringo:
He should work a little of the magic on his behavior on the touch line which leaves much to be desired!!
@Roger: Wow if that is true, we will welcome him with open arms. Lots of love kisses from all. The man is a magician and what he has done at the Kes in the past decade has been incredible. Hope his new venture is just as successful if not more spectacular.
See old Bog more proof that rugby witchcraft does work
@Roger: WOW! Really???
@Speartackle: Id like to see you go around a course in KZN -anyone , in 2 1/2 hours in January/February. Unless of course you hydrate for six hours after that at the 19TH.
@McCulleys Workshop: very clever! It is but needed in certain cases eg an idiot talking kak. I got clipped around the ear from my dad when doing something wrong & caned at school, didn’t do me any harm. There are different levels of violence, a tighty is not quite a full beating. Anyway, the amount of drivel on this thread isn’t worth my time.
@Grasshopper: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
hmmm – so Carl Spilhaus off to Jeppe – interesting
@Grasshopper: Hopper why do you always want to give okes tighties!!!!! Come be a nice guy not a p__________.
@Speartackle: I see he ended up with 4 sticks. Go Glenwood the Green Machine.
@McCulleys Workshop: I could ask my best mate to show you a 165kg tighty if you like….let me know
@McCulleys Workshop: yeah and the 110kg tighty round the ear tighty…
And then he takes 2 wickets in his next over……a GW man never says die
I see the Glenwood boykie got clobbered by Aron Finch for 16 in his 1st over…..Aussies on their way to making 500…….Wonder what BOG has to say about that??
@Speartackle: The only tighty’s he knows are his tighty whitey’s…
@Speartackle: Wahahahahahhaha
BOG must never again doubt Bush’s morality and integrity!
@Grasshopper: Whahahahahshs nearly rolled my golf cart.
@Bush: Brother Racist Hopper, you forgot my middle name
@Grasshopper: Then I would be the perfect Brother for you. Brother Hopper
@Speartackle: And yes I know old Bushy boy isn’t a Silverspooner he just went to a Toff school for post matric….
@Grasshopper: I think it’s time you start dishing out some Bluff tighties
@Bush: We are tough Irish people we don’t particularly like silverspooners, they have got everything on a plate. It showed in my first year at Varsity where the silverspooners battled…
@Grasshopper: Whahaha, I’m such a nice guy, she will learn to love me and my beard. Anyway I’m from a silver spoon family. Something to make you a proud brother-in-law. Brother Hopper whahahahahah
@Bush: She hates beards too, this whole hipster thing ain’t her thing…
Spear thanks for the well written First Edition of “South Coast Diaries”. Hopper why do you have to go and spoil things. I can also swim and hold my breath for long periods. Therefore NZ is not too FAR. When you chat again please send my love❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Grasshopper: No man Grassy, we enjoy you. One of these days you can also play some golf with us South Coast ballies.
@Speartackle: Sounded very cosy, a bit of a bromance building. Unfortunately for Bush my sister lives in New Zealand, so it must be all in his dreams. I’m sure you guys loved cursing Bog and I for the bringing back down to earth we provide this blog. Too be honest I’m not too concerned by being ridiculed, I know who I am. Oh in finishing, just an FYI for Bushy boy, Glenwood isn’t just a rugga school, KZN representation in 28 sports nogal; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/2016%20SA%20Awards%20ALL%20%284%29.pdf
@Speartackle: Hahaha, I sure Mr T, Big Easy and Skop also enjoyed it.
Yesterday was such a glorious day that I decided to cancel some appointments and made my way to Umkomaas a bit earlier where I found Bush already waiting in the golf cart on the 1st tee. We couldn’t wait any longer for The Big Easy and Timmy to join us so we teed up and started our round. Bush started with back to back blackouts as he bombed his first 2 drives way right into the houses but later came back with a few pars and even a birdie. I was Steady Eddie down the fairways but my short game deserted me on this beautiful scenic lay out. I must add that a lot of words starting with f and ending with k and c ending with t were uttered and sometimes even a combination of the 2 as we were slugging it out around the park looking for balls.
We finished 18 holes within 2 and a half hours as there were no one else on the course except for 3 policemen who let us through after 9. We then proceeded to the 19th with the most glorious view over the 1st and 18th fairways and Aliwal Shoal to our left. We started with some nice draughts but Bush struggled to get the foam off his well manicured beard and decided to switch to something harder. Buddy joined us shortly afterwards and we discussed some very interesting things which included Grasshopper and BOG. They have a lovely system there where we could order the liquids via an intercom and the baarmoeder was running up and down to the deck non stop. I could sense a repeat of last Friday night when I got completely inebriated and suggested that we’d go for a meal at a local pub. Bush had raw linefish and I had Schnitzel and Buddy chose to only drink as the doubles kept coming and I couldn’t keep it up anymore with these okes. Bush kept on talking about Hopper’s sister all day which charged me up a lot and since I heard that Umkomaas is actually well known for swingers parties , I started asking the females in the pub where we could find these parties. They told us it’s only Friday nights but us 3 okes looked so daring that they are willing to pretend it is Friday. I must take my hat off to Bush there as he stepped in and calmed the situation and we did the right thing and returned home to our beloved ones.
That was a good decision as I’m feeling not too bad today even though it is very cloudy and a Segdewick’s day.
Thanks to Bush & Buddy and even to Hopper and BOG for making it a special day on the South Coast. I can’t wait for 17 October as we’ll be heading down to the Wild Coast for the Sharks Golf Day…….thay is going to be massive
Rare to see bloggers actually meet up, well done guys. Bush looks like Kingsley Holgate cross Father Christmas, or is he just a Voortrekker. Spear & Buddy just look like the average Ballie down South Coast way.
@Buddy: But you can still drop kick them in a parking lot after visiting Thirsty Whale?????
@BOG: In short you can’t eat Avocados until they are ripe….
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@Bush: Yip, Im sitting with over due electricity bills, so it required drastic measures. In the meantime, I found this ( very good) article by Tank Lanning. Was he speaking about rugby? Or was it morality and integrity? Not “shutting up”, when speaking out is required. http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/TankLanning/experts-in-foot-shooting-20160929
@BOG: In that exact order. Jis BOG the Umkomaas Beach Front looked Lekker this afternoon. Swear there was a Mermaid dancing on Aliwal Shoal. We are such spoilt brats here in SA, until about 5:30. How was your dive today? Or were you counting your cash from yesterday’s heist????
What a lekker day ????
@Skopgraaf243: I only saw a picture of the “Good, the Bad and the Ugly” Not sure which is which though
Check out @Speartackle1’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Speartackle1/status/781497077209657344?s=01
??cheers
@Spear…ek sal my fielding moet ken en my A game bring as jy oor 18 gate opwarm! Of ek hoop julle het paar goeie tolke
@Skopgraaf243: Ons sal seker met versnapperinge op die 1ste begin maar die grenshoue sal seker van so 17h00 begin klap.
Hoelaat T’ee julle af by 19de ?
I’ll see you guys at 12 then, waiting to hear from Timmy Clark, he might join us afterwards for a few toots
And all of a sudden there is sunshine and time for golf today. What the buffer let me go and tonk those balls all over Umkomaas. I hope Bush will organise a few spotters as those fairways are narrow with lots of boomslang in those Bushes.
I hope Skoppies and Buddy will join us later and maybe Hooit and RnR
Well they have plundered the government accounts, the fiscis.Its empty- bankrupt and to maintain the lifestyle which they have become accustomed to, they need to look for other sources of income. Military weapons used, which can be bought for a few bucks or probably current members. No respect for the law and understandably so. Sad- Weep the Beloved Country ( Sequal to Cry—)Unfortunately not associates of mine, but I cannot speak for the others. I know that Spear has n “voorlaaier”, but according to the report, only R5s and AKs were used.
BOG, Spear, Spokgraaf243 and Buddy collecting cash for the holidays. BOG going to dive all day every day.
http://southcoastherald.co.za/164998/just-in-robbers-blast-mall-banks/
Also about the return of the Evil twins from Tow truk Valley using witchcraft to conquer rugby from the dark side?
@Playa: The Story for the South Coast Newspaper 1st Edition is to read something like this: BOG Stream Troll found floating with its ass up in Umkomaas.
@Spear …what time is the T-off for the boshokkie?….i would need a shovel , rake and poolnet though!
@star: How dare you say a man who only reads credible material written by credible journos and authors lacks credibility? You have no shame
@Speartackle: If I can get a flight tonight that spot is mine !!!
@star: Please provide date and time for said barny,don’t want it
@star: Come Star……are you keen for golf tomorrow at Umkomaas? We short 1
I nearly rolled a zol
@BOG: I’m a soothsayer??? Hahahahaha!!!
nearly rolled my wheelbarrow! What would that make you? Ah – I forget – you’re a Realist 
@Speartackle: Ill need some help, please. Something along the following lines. When Joe Slovo, “min of housing” died, an Afrikaans gatkruiper stood up at his funeral and said the following “Hier le Joe, arms gevou— En fokkol huise gebou”. Miskien,iets soos “Hier le Bush, sonder n p— en “Here lies Player, a well known soothsayer, about to embark on a witchcraft —???
Think I must fly back tonight ???
Can’t miss the golf tomorrow ?
Back to the basis of the the thread which was about a group of old ballies having a luncheon and giving an award to the top team in KZN before they all fall down. Surely this blog can do a similar thing which I am sure despite the presence of BOG and AT , will have a lot more credibility. We will be able to tap into outside specialists like BoishaaiPa, Playa and ou Ploegie. Greenblooded will be able to ensure that the rules are followed even if it means giving the new recruit Spear the yellow card. Gungets will present the statistical data. This can all happen at the Thirsty Whale in Toti with Bush as presiding officer. Even grassy may make a guest appearamce ( provided of course he knows that GW have it in the bag) Let us not talk about the perceived injustice but take it out.
@Speartackle: Whahahaha I nearly rolled my bakkie.
@Bush: He is Facebook buddies with Hopper
@Speartackle: Flip now GW are claiming the Big Easy. When did they poach Ernie?
@Skopgraaf243: See you afterwards in the pub then….bring some avo’s with
Hey Spear I can’t make the golf, but can do on the frosties!
@BOG: Get your articles ready….will do one on Friday after the golf with Bush and Ernie
@Speartackle: When can we expect the first edition of your “South Coast Newsletter” Id like to perhaps reserve a spot for two obituaries.
@The Big Easy: Hey Ernie that would be lekker…..how’s your putting?
@The Big Easy: Don’t join the dark side????hehehe
@Bush: @Speartackle: May I also join you blokes at Umkomaas on Thursday?
@Playa: Unlike Spear I don’t believe in foreplay, I think it’s overrated
@Buddy: I have also seen those Barloworld Menlyn minibuses on the N3. But then on the other hand I heard the forces of Menlo fly around the country.
@Skopgraaf243: Hehehehe?
@Buddy…
She must have been steaming up in the car, old merc in the rain you know.
@Bush: My wife just called and told me that the old Merc ran like a cheetah to the Midlands today when she went to visit her sister. Much to her surprise she saw a Toyota mini bus branded Menlopark Hoërskool on Curries Post rd.
Just check if Michael House still got all their coaches boet….
@Bush…your kung-fu is no good!!!
One’s mission is only as good as your intel.
What happened to you friday?
I bet you Spear went for a run saterday morning, probably why he didnt answer
So is the the beer cold there in Umkomaas?
@Bush:
You must watch the okes launching dive boats out of the Umkomaas river mouth – rated as one of the more hectic launch sites on the KZN coast. A few amateurs have lost it and a boat full of dive gear. There is a saying amongst boat skippers there: See your arse at Umkomaas. There are a few legends there: Swinny, Meatball, Reon and Juan are the ou manne amoung the dive boat skippers.
@Andre T: Are the Umkomaas women ‘cleaner’ than the Umhlanga ones?We don’t want you catching those funny itches Spear for after his Umhlanga escapade.
@Skopgraaf243: Don’t say never. What happened to you and Spear. I tried to phone Spear Saturday morning,Grunter were thick here at the Umkomaas river mouth. I heard you two were into your own Grunters at Thirsty Whale Friday evening. I’ve seen the CCTV footage Lekker catch.
@Bush…NEVER
@Skopgraaf243: You guys are trying to get me into trouble now. I’m showing BOG that as much as I love SA I love the Sharks too.
@Bush: I hope there are some women to be calmed down after the golf on Thursday
….its like selling Avo’s to Spear when his guard is down
Bush ur a sick man!…who takes advantage of a woman in such fragile state?…
@BOG: I once went Great White Cage diving at Gansbaai. This lady from the US of A freaked out and once you in the cage they won’t let you out. Been the gentleman I am, I calmed her down and she then enjoyed the dive and spent a kuk house full of US Dollars. Which create a positive growth???? in Gaansbaai for the day. I will hold onto your back while dive, we can share the same buddy tank????
@Bush: Hehehe you bugger
@Buddy: The only diving I do is ……… I leave it at that. Otherwise I will be called disgusting and the racist will come out firing. As the only mermaid I will swim with is not Darryl Hannah????
@BOG: Lol
@BOG: Boet I will join you for a dive on Raggies or Produce. Love Aliwal Shoal
Think Buch will tie a piece of fresh fish on your first stage regulator….and Spear will come to the rescue
I believe, in an effort to level the playing field, the ABs have agreed to play against the Lame Boks with their boot laces tied together. But with Mbalula as their secret weapon,and chief destroyer, the outcome would still be in doubt. Maybe allow all 23 Boks on the field at once?
@Andre T: I have been trying to convince him and Player to come and dive with me at the Aliwal Shoal, around dusk when the water is nice and “Gingery beer”, in colour after a strong Westerly, for the ultimate experience in seeing the Tigers in a feeding frenzy. They might assume that I have sinister motives but I have no idea why they would think that. I have even suggested that they pee in their wet suits and tie a nice bloody piece of meat and dead fish to their weight belts to guarantee an “unforgettable” experience.
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/coetzees-losing-logic
Seems like Coetzee is losing it ……..
@Skopgraaf243: you must be confused as for what I understand it’s Menlo that scouted Monnas and EG J Coaches with some kids from Kloof,EG…..??
@Buddy: Great stuff! If you find free time while here in Cape Town, let me know
@Andre T… I try not to pass by Glenwood they at a point of signing anybody looking their way!
Same on other side, Sharks are looking for players like a shipman staring into the horizon for land! So keep a two block driving distance.
@Playa: Boet IOU that beer.?No excuses ??
@Andre T: Of course he can, as long as he doesn’t call me for been off sides??????
@Buddy: How about that beer you promised me?
@Andre T: Sure they can but teaching ain’t my calling. No patience??
@Buddy: I bet you Boishaai can
@Andre T: Bwhahaha now you are looking for K@k.
Paarl Gim can’t afford me Boet???
@Speartackle: Seeing that Buddy has gone for an interview at Paarl Gim, I can fill the gap.
I just need to ask Bush if he minds BOG joining us for a few drinks afterwards
@Speartackle: Spear would love to just in Cape Town till friday afternoon.
@Buddy: Are you in for a game of golf Thursday at Umkomaas?
@boerboel: Ja, thought she was hot. Or were my glasses steaming up again?
@Speartackle: Was that you on Ispingo Beach. Flip there was quite a commotion there. Seagulls and all diving in there. I check you can gooi a lekker leg spin, just like your stories. Spear the Spin Doctor
@Speartackle: Ja Boet……will stay positive and eish …….
@boerboel: Boerboel get a jersey Boet !!!
@Buddy: No ou Buddy, you might walk out of there but I’ll bet you a tiger shark it won’t be with a smile. BOG and I’ll also be there…..BOG will have the ‘I told you so’ face…..I also got myself a R 900 ticket…..they were giving it away yesterday at Blue Lagoon and Isipingo Beach
@Speartackle: Also true but I got my Boks vs AB tickets and want to walk proud and with a smile on my face out of the Tank in 2 weeks……
@Bush:The touchjudge who is Helgard Mullers girlfriend?-and who jumped 3 m into the air when GCB “won”
@Buddy: At this stage even Rory McIlroy would bring value to a Bok team
http://euro.sarugbymag.co.za/videos/frans-steyns-try-montpellier/
Still think Frans Steyn would bring value to the Boks !!!
@coach: have no idea on TK, hear TP is still there ?. Would never charge to make a profit only for Jess Foord.
@hopper What is the absolute latest update on the TK saga, and wasn’t his sidekick TP meant to have departed for the UAE? Heard he baled on that project and is still at GHS….is that true. Who is steering the ship there….umbiloburger perhaps and who else. Are they charging to get into water polo and cricket now to try and recoup some of those lost funds by any chance?
Not only humble, he knows where his strength and talent comes from and he publicly proclaims that, without shame or apology.
@Playa: What a humble man. Give him the freedom of Bloem.
@Bush: Well deserved Wayde you beauty!!!!
Well done Wayde
Grey does not only produce rugby players
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/wayde-van-niekerk-voted-south-african-of-the-year-20160924?isapp=true
Dealing with the “situation” in SA, here, particularly in the area of social injustice in sport, humour, or at least an attempt at it, is one way of coming to grips with it. Others would say that making fun out of evil, is just another form of condoning it.@Bush: I have tried- tirelessly and obviously without success, to explain that there must be an underlying reason for being “positive” or “negative”. A medical doctor does not just guess when making a diagnosis. The same applies to an economist or a weatherman, when they make economic predictions or give us a weather report. They look at the prevailing INDICATORS. Politics is no exception. To be “positive” ( or negative )while the indicators show otherwise, is irrational and you are in DENIAL. You cannot deal with the problems, unless you recognize them. And that is the gist of many of our problems in SA, including sport.
@Bush: Jeez, and I thought my choice of words was poor
I see its Glenwood vs Clifton in the Clifton JAM polo tourno, not just a rugga school!
@Playa: And I’m turning my chop with my 9mm. Keeping quiet??????
@Gungets Tuft: You’ve crossed the line.Now you have him down as a candidate for a BSc in Witchcraft
Ohhh dear, I think my choice of words with pins and dolls wasn’t terribly good … where’s the Abort button when you need it …
@Playa: I’d offer to post it but I reckon the Oom pays as much attention to me as he does you. I reckon he’s got twin dolls that he sticks pins into at night, hoping
Tjaaarsis, I hope nobodies taking me seriously esor, they’d not understand what a crotchety old fart I am. Regte verkrampte ou bliksem
@BOG: I have no problem with your views….much as I disagree with most.It’s your intolerance that irks me.I’m not on this blog to have my views as be all and all.I have learned a thing or two from views different to mine.I’m not here to change the world
Anyone willing to copy and paste this on my behalf,seeing as Oom won’t ready it
@Buddy: Steri Stumpie 350ml ??????
@GreenBlooded: It’s braai day????
@GreenBlooded: I’m from the wrong side of town. Have a lekker day
@Bush:
You are quite disgusting! The Michaelhouse gentry must blush at some of your comments.
@Bush: 250m??
@Buddy: Off to the range in PMB, guess what my first target is?
Good grief….. still the same shit?
I’m watching NRC rugby on TV. The lady ref looks like the same person that ran the touch line GC vs PRG. She’s hot. Flip those stadiums are packed much like the SA stadiums. I wonder if it’s because of their Government? Or quotas?
What the……..?
@BOG: Thanks King of Negativeness. I still respect Grey but I have no respect for you.
http://youtu.be/ml7Kqco3TmE
@Bush: You are clearly sick and need some counselling. It explains why you would admire the deployed cadre. Cut down on the drinking and you may start talking sense occasionally and remember that everything you perceive in your head, especially when you have obviously been drinking,is not necessarily reality. Thats why you need help. And if you continue in this vain, you will leave me no alternative but to drop to your level and respond with two brief words, the first having a sexual connotation.
@BOG: I don’t say things to impress people,(I can’t I’m to stupid and I’m a troll) unlike you. Hopper has a hot sister and any man would chase his sister. I have stopped reading your kuk. As its just negative, of which you think is impressive. I think I’m going to start another fire. I wonder what I could burn, ummmmmm something Grey. Now piss off and go have another brandy and 500ml Coke. Actual go and join Mike Smiths Blog that where you belong. You just behind Hopper.
The only reason you don’t read Playa’s response is because he chows you and he’s ummmmmmm, from Dale.
Let’s see how true you are to your word, don’t respond to this. Go milk your Bull or roll polony with you Buddy Hopper, that’s if you can find your polony.
@Bush: Im leaving you alone. By expressing myself and pointing out the social injustices, including those in sport, its not as if Im targeting you or anyone else for that matter. If you dont want to read what Im saying, simply pass. That is exactly what I do with bloggers like Skopgraaf and Player, who THINK that I (and others) come here, exclusively to be enlightened by their “literary brilliance and insight into rugby and other social issues”. And if you think that everyone is impressed with all the things that you say- now again, about Hoppers sister, you are very mistaken. Im in SA by the way- Im a captive, but that does not stop me from recognizing the realities around me. It also wont stop me from advising every young person to pursue a life abroad. Its not easy-I have lived there myself, and my son lives there (and is happy), and my daughter is following soon. These are the realities of this very tragic country of ours@Speartackle: To your suggestion of starting a “South Coast Blog” (or is it “Slow Coast”), similar to your West Rand blog, would be welcomed by most, on both sides of the fence, so to speak. Maybe Beet can give you a heading. This would sustain this blog throughout the off season, where we can all talk crap, and on the odd occasion, even a little bit of sense. Naturally, it would require a higher level of tolerance and not too rigid parametres.
@Bush: Whahaha???
@Buddy: Hey, Fok stokker. You not invited
@Bush: On my way Buddy.Mr Graaf tired and went home early……
@Skopgraaf243: I’m here in Hilton, having a chow at OMB. Jis, this place is Larney. Who cares we buy on credit.
@Skopgraaf243: Heeeehaaa gooi mielies??????
@Gungets Tuft:
Clifton waterpolo tourney
@Grasshopper: I think you right, but it would because I’m on top of your sister. Hopper I don’t fight, I n_______\. Maybe you fight because you like polony.
@Grasshopper: Last I saw GB’s lightie was still at College…
Hank McGregor won double gold at the world canoe marathon champs in K1 and K2 with Jasper Mocke. Andy Birkett got the silver in the K1 for a South African 1/2. Andy and Louis Hattingh got bronze in the K2. Jenna Ward and Kyeta Purchase got silver in the women’s K2. Surrounded by good news, but none of it dropped on forums??
It’s all about the wolf you feed …
Glad you’ve landed well, and good luck.
@Bush: you lucky I don’t know you, I would give you a proper Bluff tighty!
@bush…where you
@Grasshopper: Stop sucking Rooster, you racist.
Check bietjie @Speartackle1
@Gungets Tuft: you can tell a lot about a person from the friends they keep. I did mention yesterday the great news that there won’t be interest rate hikes for a few months & growth predictions have increased slightly. Awesome stuff! Oh yes, a young girl from St Francis is a World Champ in lifesaving! And I’m sure our good blogging friend Greenblooded’s lighty is doing well at Clifton & an Acting prefect, awesome stuff! Lots to be thankful for…..ah all our stuff from SA arrived today, 8 weeks from door to door….it’s Christmas in our household!
Why not
@Grasshopper: Buddy, never, not once, have a criticized you for leaving. I said you’ve fallen into the expat trap of leaving but staying glued to the bad news from South Africa for whatever reason. You don’t move forward by staring in the rear view mirror. You want a future for your kids (don’t we all) but you’re dwelling in the past.
I’m not blind to the faults of South Africa, I’m just saying that you should be open to the good positive news from here as well.
And if you respect opinions only because we have common friends, I’d stop and reconsider. The discussions I have with those common friends are a million miles from your point of view. P & C are the most positive people I’ve ever met.
@Skopgraaf243: No Mate. Just blend in with us and enjoy Spear sorting out the Tiger sharks.He’s a legend ✌✌✌?
You want to borrow my Glenwood Jersey?
Buddy..is bikes compulsary?
@Buddy … take it off but keep your pants on please
Mr. Hopper may not have distinguished himself with what I considered an obvious faux pass (meaning is defined by intent and context), but the disgusting hyena mentality that subsequently prevailed has certainly not covered many of the perceived esteemed bloggers in glory either.
The function of the blog is to provide a platform for a common interest, in most cases the only interest many of us have in common, so if you veer into muddy waters, like politics, I can guarantee it will get messy, if considering the many diverse backgrounds and cultures in play.
It may be stale, but prevention is better than cure, so let’s try to keep to the program.
This Menlo jersey is a bit tight??
@Buddy: Is that your Merc smoking like that? Thought it was the regular Hilton mist. Please stop hooting, you going to wake up the neighbour hood.
@Buddy…for sure! Looking forward to it
@Speartackle: Hahahahahaha!
Classic!!!!
In future, please post a week in the life of Spear every Friday…it would be great therapy for having to put up with BOG throughout the week.
@Grasshopper: I think everyone here respects your decision. It’s what you deem best for your family. All of us here have families. Where you invite flack is when you start on stuff you think the rest of us are not aware of (or are ignoring) and try to belittle our reasons for sticking it out in SA. The head in the sand phrase you and BOG so love to remind us of. Bush is then within his rights to call you a traitor and a coward. Bush was actually one of the first people to wish you well when you announced you resignation from SA Corp. We don’t have to like your decision, but we have to respect it. You don’t have to like ours, but please grant us the same respect we grant you.
@Speartackle: so true
@Bush: So happy today that you like a Buddy with your coke
Now open the gate and let me in for the braai ,The old Merc is messing up your drive way
@Grasshopper:
When I was your age I worked my backside off to provide a decent life for him. His mom dropped him off at my place when he was 9 years old and went to live on an island. I worked so hard that I missed most of his school life. He was a brilliant sportsman and I supported him all the way. He won big tournaments and was one of the best juniors in the country. In his matric year I made some bad business decisions and we lost everything. His dreams of turning professional were shattered and now works in a pro shop and occasionally caddies on the Sunshine Tour.
Now I often sit and wonder if it was all worth it working so hard to provide. Maybe I should have spent more time with him instead of chasing wealth. Most of his old golfing buddies are already playing overseas and doing well on the local circuit and I’m sitting with the guilt.
A person’s life can change over night
Eish still busy with this k@k
@skopgraaf243 thx for the branded jersey Bud. Will wear it to the Thirsty Whale today,hope you will join me for a cold Cappie with lots of Ice
@Grasshopper: It is solely used in a racist way, you are making this worse for yourself Alan Sparrow. Surely as a so-called educated South African you should have known its racial undertones. Unless you had your head in the sand pre-1994. As my fellow OC Gungets has said, best you just quit whilst you are ahead. You are, in your own words, a dumbass. It would seem that you are not ignorant but just dumb. Intelligence is not solely measured by your Economics degree.
@Speartackle: yep, it’s sounds great. Just like my parents in law in St Francis Bay living in their bubble. Day starts with a walk or paddle, then shops for food & dop, then lunch on the balcony, walk on the beach & then time to get vrot. Every day like Groundhog Day. The difference is stage of life, at 60 plus it can become I did this and I did that, like you say. You can be selfish. But at my stage there is no I, it’s all about the kids & their future. I’ll get to my I stage with time, hopefully not too quickly as I’m enjoying watching the kids grow. Everyone has choices and differing reasons. What irritates me are the ones that judge you for your decisions. They should support your decisions. Old Bush thinks I’m running away to the contrary it’s seeking better equal opportunities for my kids…
Ahoyi this old country of mine has no more hope. We all know it and there is what the buffer we can do about it.
I couldn’t leave the country so I emigrated here to The Republic of Natal. Will spend my last 10 years here sitting on my balcony or at Thirsty Whale watching the dolphins in this magnificent Indian Ocean. In the distance I’ll see freightliners carrying whatever….guns, drugs, who cares
On Monday nights I watch CSI, Tuesday afternoons I play tennis, Wednesdays I play golf and watch Cape Town at 20h50. Thursday night I fondle women at Lords and Legends, inbetween I help Andre T selling a few houses but fortunately I have weekends off
What more do I want? Thursdays in the South Coast Sun I read how many hijackings and assaults there were in Toti and surrounds. Every day between 4 and 6 I see drug deals going down right in front of my unit on the promenade. I see white guys with Cashmere suits pomping prossies on the dunes or in the car park behind me.
It has all become so “usual”….actually boring if 1 day passes without an ‘incident’
So yes my brothers….This is Africa…..and Africa it will always be
It is in our blood …..same with…..You can take me out of the West Rand but you’ll never get the West Rand out of me………….
Lets see what today brings
Maybe I should continue with my West Rand Diary again…..I’ll call it now The South of Durban Diary
@Gungets Tuft: you talk as if I’m a wet behind the ears lighty. I’ve lived in 6 countries & 20 years out of school, im no idiot. I used to respect your opinions knowing you know people I do but I’m starting to doubt them now. I mean a young man & friend of mine killed in cold blood a few weeks ago, the Isandlwana guide, varsity riots etc I mean come on boet, does it have to happen to you or someone close to you to see it. You are lucky your kids are through the education system. Put yourself in my shoes with a 4 & 1 year old. Leaving SA was a huge decision as its my country & I love it BUT things have got out of hand. I lived in the UK 10 years to return to SA for 4 years to see for myself. I’ve seen now and its future looks bleak. Cost of living is out of control. Earning a bar isn’t a enough these days if you want medical aid, life insurance etc which are must haves there with a family. I know some people don’t have options so they will defend SA with all their hearts. All the ‘it’s another Kak day in Africa’ pics on Facebook. But even my hardened devout Saffa friends are considering leaving. Queues of Saffas are applying for jobs here, black & white, so it’s not a race thing. My biggest hope is for the majority to finally have enough and vote DA or another opposition. But realistically that is going to take another 20 years. Can I afford to live through that mess with young kids, no. People with no debt have a chance if they plan properly and I’m guessing that’s you, house almost paid off etc. Zuma has caused enough rubbish, he needs to go. I tried to live with my head in the sand and let it wash over but when close friends and family are hijacked, attacked & robbed it gets too close to home for me. Cry the beloved country….
@BOG: Then just leave us alone. Let us be with our heads in the sand, in Lala-land. Hopper and you have made your choices well done. Leave us stayers alone. I’m happy here in SA, if my kids must leave then they must leave. They have their freedom, freedom of choice. BOG this blogging is getting irritating, one thing that was drummed into me by Afrikaans instructors while in the SADF not the NEW SANDF, was politics, religion and alcohol don’t mix. So rather just stay on the one liter brandy and 500ml buddy. Leave the rest alone.
@Skopgraaf243: Very typical. One of those who think that their crap is more intellectual than the crap of others. One of those who are hyper sensitive to the truth- who prefer the head-in-the-sand position, hoping that no one would remind them of the realities and the truth. Surprize !! There are many who wont and never will stop talking about the social injustices. And that also applies to the injustices in sport/rugby. So, talking about these issues on a rugby blog, is very relevant. Generally, I see that the play school has been on an outing- a free-for-all. Enjoy yourselves. @Grasshopper: I have referred to this article many times, but go and read it again with all the crap that has been said here. Their condition is analyzed perfectly and the best way to respond, is to leave them in their stupor. They have blocked out all realities and no matter what you say. it does not penetrate. The article : why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2010/01/anc-stole-my-dream-why-i-emigrated.html
The well known writer, Al J Venter,originally SA , who has been traveling the world, particularly Africa, visiting hot spots, since the 1960s, summed up Africa, very nicely, with these few words: “With time, Africas eternal shortages, monumental mismanagement, corruption, fierce dissolution and tens of thousands of dying children sort of become repetitive”. The faces change, but the area remains the same. The “opinions” expressed above, however misguided and ill informed, with one or two exceptions, are captured in this article and brief statement. Only the eventual realities, as history has repeatedly shown, will, even might wake them up. So, dont disturb their “peace”- they are in “lala-land”
@Grasshopper: Quit while you’re ahead. Oh, wait …
Seriously, you’re toung enough to claim ignorance, sort of, because a so oke translation would have revealed the difference between calling someone a wooden headed idiot (as described bigots that never made it out of Venterdorp), and a description of somewhat spend 20 minutes moving from translucent to visible from space. Of course the direct translation to English is Redneck, characterized by having no branches on their family tree.
You’re followming a well
Worn path set by expats, doing enough googling to justify a decision to leave . All good, except South Africans mostly just letnitnwash on by.!rightntounare …
This thread helped explain it to me; http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/453291-Street-name-changes-Epic-fail
@Bwana: As I said I misused the term, I translated it literally as wood head. I saw that clip and thought it meant dumbass. Anyway, take it as you like it….it wasn’t meant in a racist way. I have been blogging for over 5 years and never been racist.
@Grasshopper: But in your ignorant manner you used the term h**top. As I have said that has more baggage and bad connotations than rooinek. As our esteemed Dalian intimated, SA is our valhalla and those of us left here are trying to turn around and make this country fulfil its potential. Best you keep your bigoted racist mouth shut, we do not need your negativity to weigh us down
@Buddy…Velskoen maar dit klink lekker!
@Skopgraaf243:Mr Graaf may I hide in a Menlo jersey tomorrow please?
@Skopgraaf243: Jip boet on the Cappie and coke and “hy loop soos stroop”???✌✌
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Buddy…warming up for braai day?
@Skopgraaf243: Tjom ons hou vir jou n koue.?Reen lekker in Durbs en bring jou surf bord saam?
@Ringo: Just stay on this chat and strange things will happen boet.You might end up with a KES jersey ???
@Bush: don’t hold your gun so tight it will explode Bud?????
Whahahaha you guys still busy with the Hopper???
Still can’t put my Glenwood jersey on??
Spear where are you boet.Sitting on the deck in the rain on my own ????
Oh…and that is Skopgraaf243, like the rifle!
Grasshopper…I really cant see why you got worked up over being called a rooinek! Atleast its derived from when the British hit the shores of africa their light skin got sunburned under african sun, hence rooinek! Last I checked ur a Brit with ur passport. So where was I wrong?
I even felt bad on your behalf.
On the contrary you went all rogue! Open your bag of sorry’s and move on! I have, put it behind you, and move on! 8)
@Bush: I will troll….
@Grasshopper: Sleep Lekker racist
@Bush: I don’t care what you call me, you just a troll. The dude that kicked this off was Skopgraaf423 calling me a rooinek….
@Grasshopper: I called you a racist.
Watch this clip; http://m.sarugbymag.co.za/?postslug=/blog/details/video-jake-white-interview-part-1
Jake is on the money, in France with no quotas Ricky Januarie, Guthro Steenkamp and others make the sides. SA doesn’t need quotas. Transformation is killing our sport….
@Ringo: LOL! I need that Witchcraft graduate myself. We could be in for a toughie next season.
@Playa: I don’t dig it up, it’s in general news and on my Facebook newsfeed. I’m not trying to find bad news. Good news today about Interest rates holding & upping growth expectations. What Bush doesn’t realize is that my blood is green, green for SA and that can never be changed. I love SA and my family are still there so I want it to succeed. But like the Varsity riots I cannot trust the education system will be good when my 4 & 1 year olds reach high school, so it’s better to make the move early for their sake. Do you think I like the weather & travel here, no! But parents do everything for their kids, this is my sacrifice. Bush can call me a traitor, a runner whatever but I will always back Glenwood, the Boks & SA until I die. I made one emotional remark because I was called a rooinek, it was the wrong use of the term and now I’m the baddy. Anyway, Beet and other old timer bloggers who know me and met me know who I am, that is all that counts..
@Playa: With tears in my eyes I sincerely applaud your strength of character and level headedness….. I would have lost my day job months ago if I was involved in some of the conversations you have been in….. then you throw in Latin as well marvelous show off you are…… Well done chap you are top class….. me I am a fan of yours.
And whichever one of our friends is studying that fabled Bsc. Witchcraft do finish I need to consult for next season
On a side note you would think this blog is angry Tinder with some of the antics that carry on here…..
I am off again will be back in month to make in another month to make my one comment a month so that I do not forget my password…. Can I ask a dumb question how does one change their password need to improve the strength of mine seeing how people hack accounts lately.
@Buddy: Please teach the trick of changing your avatar at will need to change mine to a normal Jeppe jersey as I never had the honour of wearing the 1st XV jersey when I was there. I should not give one to myself after school.
@Speartackle: It’s a swim around the corner for you.
@Skopgraaf243: I’m so close to Thirsty Whale…I’ll see the flair
@Playa: hear hear!!
@Grasshopper: Thanks for the rare racist remark once again. Hope you sleep Lekker at night and not with one eye open. That been your brown eye. Whatever you post on here is not going to change the way I feel about my country. Get lost you racist.
@Grasshopper: I am sure you have better things to do with your time than to spend it digging up bad news about SA. It’s not your problem anymore, let us who are still here deal with it. Some of us were not born with dual citizenship, so this country is all we have. You chose to move, so do just that. If keeping our heads in the sand is what keeps us going…so be it.
The irony here is how you spend a large part of your time on the blog defending the try line for Glenwood when the haters come launching – even at times when the school is in the wrong. One would think that you of all people would know better. SA is my Glenwood, and not amount of ex-pat hate will change that.
@Spies…I would like that!
…thx
I ‘ll shoot up a flair on the first one
Here is some head in the sand stuff for Mr Bush, he is as bright as George W; http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/180562-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-south-african-universities.html
@Skopgraaf243: Plenty brother
@Buddy…any cold beer left at the thirsty whale deck on fridays?
@QC86: Awesomeness! See you then
@Playa: all good thanks,will be good to see you.i am following the blog closely but don’t wont to get involved with all this crap.
Biltong will be on the house choem.
@Speartackle: Vader Jakob – Ntate Yakobe
@QC86: And here I was trying to protect your identity
How you doing?
I’m going to be in King on the 28th October, I’ll pop into the shop for some biltong and chops…Hope you’ll be around…I promise I wont call you ‘that’, ever!
@Playa: you call me that and i will beat you.
@Playa:
Bana ba sekolo…bana ba sekolo
tlang sekolong…tlang sekolong
tshipe e a bitsa….tshipe e a bitsa
di tu tong…di to tong
Vader Jakob in Northern Sotho
@Bwana:
Batsadi ba BOG ba dula mo polaseng, Tate wa BOG ke molemi. O lema tshemo le trekere Letstatse le lengwe makau a polase, o dira botswerere.
@Speartackle:
@Bush: It’s not visible through my dark skin, but I am blushing right now
@Playa: Enkosi!
As I rode into town
With my gun in my hand
For somebody must die
for the death of my wife
Chorus…….cause I did what I did for Maria……..
repeat twice….
@Bush:
Sound like a Tom Jones hit
@Playa: Just stopped on the side of the road for a piss, on my way to Kokstad. Holding my gun in on hand and my firearm in the other. My thoughts are to write this, Playa you a champ. Through out these threads you have been insulted and challenged. Not once have you said or acted untoward. If you are the future of SA then we are in great hands. Stuff the runners and they know who they are. Viva SA Viva Viva Playa Viva????????
@Bwana: Kulungile mnumzana!
@Playa: Thanks for the clarification Nkosaan. As they say you learn something new everyday!
@Bwana: Almost there. The reference is to the white foam of the waves – in relation to how white people ended up in Africa – by ship. Umlungu is therefore ‘the man born off the wave’. Because of their skin colour, it made sense to them that they came out of the white foam.
Contrary to belief that it is a racist/derogatory word, black people have grown to use the word to refer to a ‘master’/’boss’. And blacks even refer to other blacks who are doing well financially, as ‘umlungu’. Never in my life have I encountered a person who has used that word to offend – in fact I was hugely surprised when someone on this blog got offended a few years back.
@Grasshopper: Lovely diversion, racist. Go back into your hole. I’m not interested in your comments.
I am hiding in my College jersey today till this k@k blows over✌✌✌???
@Bush: Elitist & silverspoonist? Judging people on the school they came from, Schoolist? Everybody makes judgements on people they wish to affiliate themselves with, be it on hobbies, sports, common interests. So maybe we should have hobbiests, sportists, areaist’s….etc etc…..
@Bush: Best way to deal with a troll is to agree with them, yes I am a racist….now what…?
@Grasshopper: Lovely diversion, racist
@Grasshopper: With reference to mlungu, of which I too have been called on numerous occassions, the term does not have the same political and historical baggage as h**tkop. As the Nguni languages (i.e. Xhosa and Zulu as well as Shangaan) are very descriptive languages, it originated as a description of the European settlers. I stand to be corrected but its correct meaning is that of “white froth from the sea”. Interesting but in Zim it is murungu and in Zambia mazungu. Sorry Grasshopper but the weight of history is against you
@Green Mamba: A for trolling and jumping on the bandwagon…
@Green Mamba: No I got an F for Afrikaans. But an A for ………… You know the rest.
@Grasshopper: Racist, ? Speak to the hand. Grasshopper Sparrow. Wriggle worm.
@Bush: Was a D your highest mark ever at school?
Anybody who wants some proper rugby discussion go here and nominate; http://www.ruggas.co.za/?p=9778
@Bwana: LOL! Hahahahaha
@Green Mamba: Exactly and if old Bushy boy knew me he would know I’m not a racist. But hey ho, what does his opinion mean in the bigger scheme of things, niks nadda nothing….
@Grasshopper: I think Hopper wanted to say Domkop
I Love College !!!
@Grasshopper: See you are a racist, you discriminate a person education, their school, their personality, their social being. Face the fact you a racist. I don’t pity you at all. Scumbilo racist. I would never want to get to know you in any event.
@Playa: That old chestnut, why would I lie. I don’t have any close black friends, but my daughter does here in the UK and in SA, her and Yinhla still whatsapp message each other. I don’t care about race, religion etc just about being treated fairly and intelligence. But if the lynch mob want to continue then let them. It’s like the term umlungu, which I know is derogatory and I have been called many times, but it’s water off a ducks back…
@Playa: as they say in my mother’s ancestral home of Tabankulu, uGrasshopper maspuguspugu
@Grasshopper: Just shut up. To get the racist term confused with the afrikaans word for imbecile highlights your lack of intelligence. Just please stop you are making it worse for yourself
@Bush: You’ve never met me, so not sure how you can judge a person like that. What we say on here is banter and said in jest. But if you take what we say on here as reflections or our real selves then I did underestimate your stupidity. I only realised the term was derogatory after I wrote it.
@Grasshopper: …you forgot to add that “you have black and Afrikaner friends”, then the Sparrow defence would be complete
@Bush: It was a misuse of the term, remember I am a rooinek, but hey ho if that is what you think then so be it. Your opinions mean nothing to me. I was meaning to use the Afikaans equivalent of imbecile, cretin or moron. I certainly am not racist at all I just want equality. Quotas = racism, simple as…
@Bush: I’d be interested in Bog’s thoughts on the use of that word
@Bwana: He’s such a ………….., that racist animal has been sitting inside him waiting to jump out. I have no time for him or his bias comments.
@Grasshopper: Well the comment can be deleted but at least we all know your true personality – that of a racist bigot!
http://www.sarugby.net/news/le-roux-lambie-back-springbok-squad/
The silence of the Lambie has ended ……
Glad the boykie is back in the squad
@Bush: it is not just the lack of common sense but the audacity to think it is okay to use that term. I am still in shock
@Grasshopper: Well Done Hopper, your true feelings came out. Must be from that great EDUCATION you received from that great school. Mmmmmmmm House 2….3….. Good luck.
@Grasshopper: You cannot equate h**tkop with rooinek especially in the context of the history of this country. No double standards whatsoever. If that is your belief it is probably better for you to stay in the UK.
@Grasshopper…the old foe of justifying ones actions!
@Buddy…ou pel! Jip enough with BS.
Whats happening the weekend with 7’s?
Any predictions?
@Bwana: And rooinek isn’t? Double standards here. I’ll ask Beet to delete it then…
@Grasshopper: That word/insult you used is not just offensive but also racist. In no ways should it have ever been used
@BuffelsCM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs1q-cq3P0
@BuffelsCM: Apologies, didn’t mean to offend, domkop would have been better. Ek krap met n kort stokkie aan n groot leeu se bal….
Anyone that wants to talk Rugby ???????????????????????????????????
Leave Mr Hopper he is just hopping along……..
@Grasshopper: 673 comments:
I haven’t had time to read through all the comments but I have started at the bottom and saw your comments. I suggest you get it deleted. I know who have been called rock spiders in the past but the other word used is in extremely bad taste
“ever heard of a company transfer?” Yes I have! …I suppose the problems of SA edged that decision for you right there!
“Houtkop rock spider!”…I can have you extradited for comments like that, I would watch my back if I was you!
….by the way, I think its called a “Koraal spinnekop”, but you can call me Corporal!
@Queenian: That’s wonderful! I’d love to be there – if only to hear who does the “Amadoda” war cry better.
Is there a date set yet?
Boggie and his comments on SA and the economy is typical of someone who could not even use his pre 94 advantageous position to find financial wellbeing-he has now given up(20 year old car-slops and 2 pair of jeans) and blames the system for his failures
all he has to hang onto is that he apparently went to gcb
sad
@AbsolutMenlo: Hey Mr Menlo. You must watch out your car will disappear if you chirp these okes. The Trucker and his Evil twin don’t take any kind of crap…..
If they can’t sort out the problem Mr Spear will take you to go and wrestle a Tiger shark while we all enjoy a cold one from the Thirsty Wale’s deck
We are watching you Boet…..
@BOG: On that account then you are must be a supporter of the old regime…Suum cuique
@Green Mamba: We all know there are problems but this is a School Boy Rugby Blog … do you honestly think the AbsolutPesimist is inspiring our school boys with his constant negative bad attitude…..!? The opposite will make a difference in this great country!
After reading this thread I must admit that I support BOG on this. He sounds well informed and his arguments very conclusive. To all the others – if you wear blinkers, you’ll keep on pulling the cart towards nowhere slowly.
Just BLIKSEM each other !!!!???
Where’s the braai tomorrow?????????
@Speartackle: Yes thank you Spear I didn’t actually want people to know that but since you have been such an inspiration and a marketing wizard,I’ll forgive you.
@GreenBlooded: No Hotties, I suggest you take a drive down to Toti and let Andre T show you a few hot properties. And yes it was a big secret but he has also joined me now down here. I was struggling a bit with my swimming for the World Veteran’s Iron Man competition early next year in Guatamala City and he is helping me a little with the butterfly stroke.
Jrrrrrrrrre. It’s going to be a looooooonnnnnngggggg off-season. I vote Beet shuts down the blog until Jan next year.
@Skopgraaf243: ever heard of a company transfer? Houtkop rock spider!
@Skopgraaf243: Jis I’m right behind you.
@BOG…new low for you, no supprize here!
…and no my cooler doesn’t have that ruler on the lid, like the one’s in Freestate! Not that you’ d need it, ’cause your compensating clearly shows me I’m dealing with that teeny tiny sindrome!
You see whats happening above, politics, mudslinging, no value conversation s. Normally I would avoid this, but for you I shall make an acception!.
You make reference with your rooinek buddy who also chose to fled cause could’nt make the African cut! Supposedly head in the sand, well pull your finger out your arse and add some value chum! Your armchair ideas, sometimes based on facts and live commentating of bad news and misfortune is uncalled for. Well certainly not for this blog anyway!
Personally I think ur a f….idiot!
@Playa: Dale vs Muir fixture is on for next year it will start as a home fixture for Muir.
See I do something besides sleep.
@Playa: Im an old dog and knows when support is given, however subtle. And that goes beyond just these comments.@Skopgraaf243: We have to compete with those never ending debates you have in Pretoria about whose is the longest, X,Y or Z?@Gungets Tuft: SA was not rated “Junk” by the 3 international rating agencies, S&P, Fitch and Moodys. The country may have had an unfavourable rating at the time, but it was not “junk”. Had it been so, hardly any investments would have come into the country. International fund managers are prohibited from investing in countries which have a “junk” rating. And really, if you take my comments about Player dancing on desks and throwing stones seriously, you really dont deserve a response. Even he knows that those comments were made in jest and while I know he supports the regime, I also know that he is an upright and law abiding citizen. Its not just RW Johnson. It is almost ALL the credible independent commentators.
@Playa..you funny when you tired. You were probably just easy to defend as a pradictable runner
..so no generalised comments. Just you!
Isnt it a bottle of Brut they will be popping?
@Playa: Or you wake up and you Morne Steyn. Or Buddy has hacked your account and says something funny to BOG??????
@Skopgraaf243: LOL! Optimists have their flaws. I am one of them. Pessimists tend to not admit their flaws because they believe they are right. And it’s ok to generalise – that’s what irks me. But I’ll accept their views as theirs – which irks them as they believe their views should be universal. Tight spot
P.S. Did anyone tell Hopper that inflation is down to 5.9%? I’m not a believer, but I’m led to think that if that figure was 10% and Discovery announced their increase, him and BOG would be popping bottles of Moet right now. Shucks no, what I’ve just said is in support of the current cancerous regime, so let me go to bed before I get the secret service knocking at my door
@Playa…reminds me of the eternal optimist!..thats not you by the way, yet like him, you never disappoint.
Uzokwaziswa supprized kanjani umdwebo okuphumuzayo kungaba!
@BOG: South Africa was rated junk from 1994 till about 1999.
RW Johnson wrote that in June 2015, so we’ve got 8 months to go. Chat in June next year.
I don’t argue with people who ignore the rules of rational debate. Your rule breaks are assumption, generalization (assume Playa is black, therefore he burns libraries) and ad hominem attack. Unless you’re willing to debate properly.
We can chat after the next school rugby season.
@Skopgraaf243: Eish I’m sorry…got stuck in here because every other thread is in Afrikaans…that’s like watching people paint to me.
Listening to you two(BOGPLAYA) is like watching paint dry! Oh Thx @Buddy for that glimpse of rugby!
@GreenBlooded: If ever your jersey ended up being an Umtata High jersey…just know who it is
@Buddy: Experience has a part to play, but as a new coach you need to build towards something. Jake’s record was appalling leading up to the 2007 WC for example, but he could explain his way through because he had a vision which succeeded. If Toetie’s role is to build anything, then he needs to let go off some old dogs. Habana will probably retire end of 2016, Strauss (I don’t know why he still picks him) has said he’s done, so why pick them? We need experience that has at least 1 more season in them together with youngsters who have 10 more. Otherwise why do we have an under 21 side? Why have a performing Lions side when we cant pick the 8,9,10,12,13 combination to start for the Boks?Why do we still keep Jesse Kriel away from 15?Those are the questions. Build on that for 2019 Alistair, I dare you.
@BOG: I never did. Quote me on just one occasion where I did? On any thread since I joined this blog 4 years ago. Ask Beet to help you. But heck, you aren’t good at answering questions or providing proof – no point in asking that is there? To your old forgetful self…grow the truck up please.
@Playa: Agree just feels like we need a bit more experience in the team but like they say “Different strokes for different okes “??
@Playa: You achieved absolutely nothing. Have you heard the term, self deception? That is part of your problem- you live in a fools paradise. Stop defending an oppressive system, even subtly- it is destroying the country.
@Speartackle:
Well that settles the remaining 0.2% doubt. Speartackle = Andre T and others.
@Buddy: Eish…Morne Steyn…it’s my view that it’s time we let go off him. Same with Frans Steyn (from Hopper’s post earlier). I think part of why we struggle with depth is that we tend to hold on for too long to players who may have gone past their prime. Hougie should be ‘benching’ at 9. Yeah Faf has been a bit bitter on the mouth lately, and maybe with Lambie back in the squad, it would be a good idea to start Hougie at 9 and Lambie at 10 to get things going. A player like Hall should be in the set-up somewhere as future 9 because Hougie hasn’t got much time left.
@BOG: You have serious fathoming issues. I hope to never hear ou utter the phrase about “pure proven facts”. I deliberately stayed away from my own opinions today (some of which may surprise you) and you failed, dismally. You conclude by saying I am apologetic of a cancerous system, when I have made no mention of any system, old or new in any post. Good, I am happy to walk away from this – it has achieved what I set out to achieve.
I see Buddy has a rugby related post
@Playa: Must say that I enjoyed Morne Steyn and he made a difference spreading the ball.Then Hougie in my opinion played a solid game and looked for the extra work on the field. If our couch needs experience perhaps that would bring it to the team at 9 and 10???
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@Playa: No, I was talking to someone else when you joined the conversation. And you showed me nothing. In all modesty, as the saying goes- what I have forgotten, you must still learn. Stop being an apologist for a cancerous system which is destroying the country, as we watch running gun battles at Wits. And that concludes my discussion with you.
@BOG: There! My point exactly – I never disputed that the rand has weakened. I am the one who showed you the figures that show that it has. You are the one who has been opinionating all day here. All I did was illustrate (through factual figures) that the decline of the rand began a long time, and was substantial then. I stated a fact of a decline from 74 to 85 – you justify it with an opinion of “it was better then”, and that “2.23 is better that 13.99”.I did not counter that, it may have been better for you, sure…who am I to say it wasn’t? If going from being ‘paid’ by the US to buy a 1974 Ford Cortina to buying one at 1.5 times more in 1985 was better for you – well, as the old Nandos ad goes…You’ve been having it! Good for you.
@BOG: Uitsigte oor Memel en Warden
@Grasshopper: Not just the murder, but the absolute savagery and brutality of it. And that is the pattern.@Speartackle: Ek merk jy verkoop stranderwe by Vrede aan buitelanders.
@Grasshopper: I know of course that the pain is setting in. Much of what is happening in SA, is simply not sustainable, but a deployed cadre is trying to make the hunchback of Notre Dame,look like Cinderella.@Playa: Of course you are spinning- yourself into confusion. Bottom line is this. Back then, the ZAR was substantially stronger against a substantially stronger USD. Today, the ZAR is substantially weaker against a substantially weaker USD. And I do happen to agree with almost all independent economists, inside and outside of SA.
This is disgusting, cry the beloved country; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/20/british-historian-dies-after-savage-beating-in-south-africa-by-a/
These are one of the best stories regarding schoolboyrugby
https://www.facebook.com/Amanzimtoti-Property-by-Andre-Terblanche-0824427110-733378516793916/
@BOG: The pain is ready to set in; http://businesstech.co.za/news/business/137499/massive-increase-for-discovery-medical-aid-premiums-in-2017/
@BOG: Oom, you really need to grow up. And that is said with the most respect. I did not spin anything, I have only stated facts. I have not once tried to defend or attack anything, just provided stats and facts. It is you who is trying to spin facts to fit your own perceptions – that is fine, and as I said…do you boo.
I will not be dragged into the growth discussion – we have had his ad nauseum in the last 2 years – and it is clear that your thick-headedness, gives you the inability to give any bit of thought to anything that disturbs your perception.
I suggest you scrutinise your own advice to @AbsoluteMenlo – I know it’s too much to ask. And with that, I leave this topic.
FFS……when is this ever gonna stop??????
We have a few breathing encyclopedias here
@Playa: Lets not forget that SAs growth rate in 1965 was 7.9 %. I wonder what it would be “at todays” %? You need to be re-deployed to Gordhams office, for “some magical” spinning.He needs you- desperately.@AbsolutMenlo: What Winston did not take into account, is that there are underlying REASONS for a view. If one is optimistic and contradicted by the realities, one is irrational and not optimistic. And vice versa too, of course.
@AbsolutMenlo: Indeed!
“A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty”. Winston S Churchill
@BOG: More perspective…I don’t suppose you took the time to calculate that R2.23 in 1985 is worth R28.90 in today’s money…
But hey, all’s well in BOG’s world…excellent…let me not interfere with a ‘head OUT OF the sand’ moment
Unfortunately, all academic activity is suspended at UCT. So we’re dancing in empty lecture theatres.
@Playa: Just hope that you have waited- for maximum effect and disruption, to dance where fellow students are writing tests and not an empty room. And of course with the SABC on standby. Any glass still not broken? Goodness, what would we not give for a 156% depreciation to an exchange rate of $1=R2.23, nogal? Or .87 ZAR to the $ ??
@BOG: Hahahaha! I am stating facts Oom – I thought that was what you prefer dealing with.But ja, I’ve known you long enough to know that the only ‘facts’ you agree with are the ones that support your rhetoric. The rest to you is spin and blah blah blah….back to rugby, I agree
I am halfway through the Jammie stairs, all ready to do my monkey dance on tables.
@Playa: You should offer your “spinning service” to the regime. By expressing it in percentages, you make their performance almost appear like some kind of economic miracle. But for a thinking person— Back to the rugby. “Beef stock, Chicken stock and laughing stock” https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1535759889771326&set=a.434792003201459.114571.100000119887659&type=3&theater
@BOG: Amazing! You looked past the whole decline and just saw a small number, and your feeling is “What would we not do to have that “chaos” and exchange rates back?”…I think you give your intelligence too much credit.
Some perspective – the Rand was introduced in 1961 at R2 to the pound…as a result it was 0.72 to the $
1961 – 0.72
1974 – 0.87
That is a very good stat!!! People who lived through that are the only ones who can rightly say “What would we not do to have that “chaos” and exchange rates back?”
1974 – 0.87
1985 – 2.23
Depreciation of 156%
This, by any sane man’s standards is trucken kaaak period! But to Bog, this is OK.
1985 – 2.23
1994 – 3.55
1999 – 6.11
Enter Argentinian crisis and World Trade Center bombings
2001 – 13.84
2016 – 13.99 (Yesterday’s close)
15 years…depreciation = 1.08%
Off I go to go register for a BSc in Witchcraft so I can spend my days dancing on desks and throwing stones at the police!!!
Frans Steyn is a must to shore up the midfield. It’s like a sieve at the moment. I liked Harold Foster a few years back…
@Playa: Im glad that you have taken a break from having fun on some or other campus and dancing on desks. I can only laugh at your comment, “exchange ran to 2.23(from being 0.87 in 1974” and the repo rate “sky rocketed to 20 something”. Further, “the chaos came that was only reversed—” What would we not do to have that “chaos” and exchange rates back? Not to mention the chaos we now have and the destruction along with it. Their decision was purely political and not economic and still, SA was not at “trash” status. Currently, SA is at “Junk” on economic merit and fully justified. I think that you should rather consider drama, rather than a BSc in witchcraft.
@Buddy: Definitely time for Lambie. Jantjies has been disappointing – too many crucial mistakes & he’s playing in a game plan (if you can call it that) that doesn’t suit him. I’d still put him on the bench, and only introduce him if (when) the Boks have a healthy lead and have momentum. We also need a proper 12….I’m thinking Rohan deserves a chance!
@Buddy: Try Goosen, Porcelain is still fragile…
@Bush: Think Pollard busy with rehab ?
Please anyone just not Jantjies.???Maybe time for Lambie ????
@BOG: Not officially (as SA was cut out of anything ‘international’ at the time)…but has experienced the effects of a downgrade…you would remember in 1983, when the government abolished the financial rand exchange rate system and key international banks refused to renew credit lines for South Africa, which forced the temporary closure of the foreign-exchange market in the country. By 1985 the R/$ the exchange ran to 2.23 (from being 0.87 in 1974), and the repo rate sky rocketed to the 20 somethings. You would of course remember the chaos that came with that – and that was only reversed by a change in political outlook – which I think was GT’s point.
@Grasshopper: Pretty Boy from the BB.
@McCulleys Workshop: who has been the best flyhalf in the Currie Cup?
@Grasshopper: You won’t be alone. I think the whole of SA will be rolling polony with you, when SA’s greatest Fly Half is back on the field.
@Gungets Tuft: To make it easier for you. “Asking RW Johnson” http://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2015/06/01/andrew-donaldson-asking-rw-johnson-why-sa-only-has-two-years-left/
@McCulleys Workshop: When the downgrade comes, you will be giving away a lot more than what you anticipate. If Jesus comes, and prophetically, there is not a single reason why He cannot come at any moment, Im ready. Are you and the hyhena barking after you, ready?Or has he enrolled for a BSc in witchcraft yet? He better hurry because as things are going now, there might not be a campus left by next yr.@Gungets Tuft: Im afraid that you have got it wrong. If the country is downgraded, international fund managers, do not have an option, but to protect investors, they are by law, compelled to divest. We will then see the biggest flight of capital that this country has ever seen with all the catastrophic consequences that go with it. The IMF will probably get involved with very bitter medicine and it takes about 11/12 yrs on average to recover, IF the right things are then done, but given the SA “situation” of demands/expectations, that would almost be impossible. SA has never been in a downgrade (to trash). RW Johnson- google him, gives you his reasons why SA has less than 2 yrs(and that was almost a yr ago). Listen to his scenario.
@Grasshopper: I remember you bleating like a stuffed pig when I outrageously mentioned your favorite Rene Zelwiger, the next up and coming flyhalf…
@Bush: no I’ll roll it when porcelain Pat comes back ?
@Gungets Tuft: ever the optimist, glad there are a few out there. Point is raising interest rates does protect the currency. I still don’t see a good future for the universities and a very tough time for semi gov schools…
@BOG: We’ve been at “junk” grade before. It makes borrowing more expensive, ironically it makes us an investment destination for those willing to absorb the risk, and there are plenty of those. Right now the betting is a 30% chance of a downgrade.
@Grasshopper: Reserve bank is not protecting the rand, they’re fighting inflation by raising rates and making borrowing more expensive. You’re right that it hampers growth, but they’re not doing it to protect the rand.
I don’t expect Zuma to make it to the next general election. His support base is being eroded by the day. Just him going will bring the rand back. Did you see what just the SCA ruling on Motsoaneng did in the last few days.
@Grasshopper: And you will roll your polony 100% more times when that happens.
@McCulleys Workshop: Give him the captaincy and you’ll get more than 10% more….
@Grasshopper: Hopper, I would like 10% more out of Whitely. Can you organize? It may help prevent the downgrade.
@McCulleys Workshop:
@Playa: You can call me Ray, X-Ray
@McCulleys Workshop: Hahahahahahaha Pastor McCulley in the building
@BOG: Well, Jesus is coming soon so you won’t have to live like that for too long…
I gave my daughter away and have never been happier.
@Grasshopper: I have no financial problems. Everything I had, I gave away and my car is 20 yrs old. I have a few T-shirts, shorts, slops, a pair of long trousers and have never been happier. And what I have, I share with all who need.They expect the downgrade in December. I believe the conditions already warrant a downgrade, but the rating agencies have been sympathetic and have held back on the downgrade. But they are all 3 visiting SA in the next 2 months. If not December, next June. And the average SA has no idea what the catastrophic consequences will be. Ill be happier after my daughter has also left SA next year.
@Grasshopper: Ja, if/when that downgrade happens.
@Playa: Agreed, but a credit downgrade would mean capital flight instead of investment…..fingers crossed the recent local election results help avoid that…
@Grasshopper: An indebted man will be poorer yes.But the unemployed man with a net worth of 0 will have a chance because higher rates attract foreign investment which contribute to growth and job opportunities.Other side of the coin.
@BOG: He is missing the point completely, the point is the Reserve Bank think they clever hiking interest rates to protect the Rand but all it’s doing is making the average man poorer and stunting growth. Once the Nuclear deal goes through and there is a credit downgrade this will go off the scale. You are lucky you probably have your bond & car paid off…
@Grasshopper: Ignore the idiot. He is regularly infested by fleas which effects his very small brain.
@Grasshopper: obviously maths not your strong point
2014 to now-is that 6 months?
forgot you went to gw-i will explain slowly 2016 – 2014 in months=…..
@boerboel: You haven’t got a clue do you….no point in arguing with a cretin. 4.5% in 2014 to 7% now. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/interest-rate
@Grasshopper: fatso-you are lying -repo rate has not gone up 2 percent in 6 months for the last 10 years
caught out again
@boerboel: Not lying boet, the interest rates will go up again as the reserve bank try to protect the Rand. I reckon repo will be 10% by the end of 2017. Not forced to emigrate you numskull plonker, it was a choice. In my industry the market in SA is too small, you wouldn’t understand my industry. IP sniffing, easy to do…
@McCulleys Workshop: Go wash your Truck ??
@Speartackle: Mr Spear I will buy the first round Bud!!!
Just leave the Tigers alone ????
My bond increased by R2000 a month in 6 months–another fabrication by the schoolboystalker who was forced to emigrate!!!-interpol probably homing in on his ip adress as we speak
@Bush: whahaha I thought that I got away without my Avocado been caught on CCTV????
BEAUTIFUL !!!
@BOG: @boerboel: probeer al weer dit toevee
hartseer dat n eeens goeie skool so laag moet daal-
@Grasshopper: you said 6 months?
lying again?
@GreenBlooded: He is sulking, after they laughed at it in Toti. I believe that he now showers in a speedo after a round of golf. So, be careful not to hurt his feelings. Its a sensitive matter for him. He is now known as the “Pecker” from the West Rand.
@star:
Ja – he must keep his Tottie in Toti.
@Speartackle: The last time we went for a dop, you had some virus from an Umhlanga mommie. Better stick to the Toti babes as you know what you are getting yourself into.
@boerboel: Ou Sonstraaltjie, vra vir die skool wat jy steun. Hulle sal dit vir jou bevestig. Al fabrikasie, is jou verstand. Waarvan, sal ek liefs nie hier se nie.Hulle gebruik dan seker “old boys” as refs in Stellenbosch, Pretoria en die Paarl ook. Miskien moet jy vir hulle se om nie so dom te wees nie. Jy is n skande- vir die mensdom, “a walking violation of humanty”.
@McCulleys Workshop: Hopper still lives in the Prohibition age
@Speartackle: Hopper will…
Cant believe the KXN bloggers dont want to go for a dop
@Bush: Being a tappet and a pink Avo seems quite confusing!
@boerboel: 2014 to now, over 18 months…go look at the repo rate…
@BOG: ja soos almal weet word die grey rekord goed aangehelp deur oldboy refs en coaches wie se girlfriends die lynregters is–korrek deur brendon venter opgesom
skande vir so skool
@Grasshopper: when was this 2002?
@Grasshopper: when was this?
2002?
@BOG: ek soek statistiek-nie jou gefabriseerde data nie -net jy glo dit
@Speartackle: Spear, after seeing you wrestling that Tiger Shark. I think your own shadow is scared to go for a drink with you.
@Speartackle: He’s watching M*A*S*H*
@Bush: I cant understand but Buddy doesn’t want to go for a dop with me.
@Buddy: Buddy you said you didn’t have my car. Now out and about showing off in it. http://www.kappit.com/img/197682/he-may-be-small-green-but-he-does-avocado/
@boerboel: “pak kry” elke paar jaar, is goed vir die mens, maar jy en jou maatjies moet maar eerder se hoe dit voel om op n meer gereelde grondlag dit te ervaar. Steeds geen kommentaar oor GCB se weg-oorwinnings nie? Nee wat, jy is seker maar nuut daar waar jy is.
@Playa:
I’m the med-lemon type of guy! My missus makes a lethal hot-toddy – tastes disgusting but works wonders. To this day I don’t know what she puts in it – and I think I’m better off not knowing!
@boerboel: my bond went from R16k a month to R18k a month, fact! Now go sniff somewhere else…
@boerboel: try 250 basis points in 18 months China!
@Grasshopper: caught out lying again. ??
@BOG: ai ou boggie. Maar swaar as jy pakkry??????
@Grasshopper: Ask him to respond to the away results of GCB, and he is gone like a flash. The jungle has changed , gentlemen. What worked and was reliable last year, may not be so now.
The pavement special has reared it’s ugly head again…
@GreenBlooded: Some people run to their GP at the first sign of a cold, while some just head to their nearest pharmacy and get some Corenza & Med Lemon.
@Grasshopper: which funds are these?
do they guarentee 10%?
@Grasshopper: mmmmmmmmmmm prime went up by 50 basispoints-so your uutstanding bond was roughly r5.5m?
for somebody that looks like he eats most of his salary-another fabrication?//
Great article; http://www.vodacomrugby.co.za/cull-professional-players-unions/
@Playa:
There is heaps of research out there that says that active fund managers do not consistently beat the general market – and one is much better off in low cost index tracking ETF’s. I must admit – I’m very much a disciple of this theory although I will admit I have done my own DD on the process – just believe some of the guru’s I follow.
But you are correct on one thing – the amateur stock market player is just as well off throwing darts at a stock chart that trying to pick the next market beater. As Warren Buffet famously said: The stock market is a mechanism to transfer money from the impatient to the patient!
@GreenBlooded: LOL! There are strong arguments for/against both methods. ETFs track the market – in fact they lag the market because you do pay a fee, albeit far less than what you’d pay a fund manager. Whilst you hire a fund manager to beat the market. Cost sensitive investors are better off in ETFs – but you’d need to be a blerry good asset allocator to beat the market if managing it yourself.
@Grasshopper:
ETF’s are the way to go! Fund managers are expensive – the source of their 7 figure salaries being your investment.
The ABs have a secret agent. https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154752562160579&set=a.10150101902965579.303214.701095578&type=3&theater
@Grasshopper: Good man
@Bush: My favourite- the term “negative” . Im afraid that there is no room for the term. An opinion, be it optimism or pessimism, must have an underlying REASON. Without that, you are irrational. In the case of SA, there is unfortunately no rational basis for optimism. I also love my country, but Im seeing it deliberately and systematically being destroyed by a ravenous pack of wolves, and the decline of sport, including rugby, is just a by-product of this plunder.@Playa: You are missing the whole point. I have on numerous occasions explained to you, the quota problems outside of WP, SWD, Boland, EP and Border, obviously to no avail. And how does that record look over a slightly longer period? GCB has experienced 2 yr slumps occasionally for more than a hundred yrs. Dont get too excited too soon. And niceties and EC English, does not hide the fact that you are an apologist for the regime. As elsewhere on this continent, you will have to experience to learn. Quota selection? De Jong, Jantjes,Paige— De Allende (not sure quota for what?) And with that Im not saying that several of the “white”players, should be there.Come to think of it, Im having difficulty in thinking of any player who is there on merit? Which of course, reflects on the coaching staff and selectors. But then of course, the corrupt and incompetent Mbalula is the faceless convener, political commissar and social engineer. Simple, as long as there are “guidelines” for selection, there will be quotas.
@Playa: my investments all sit in at least 10% per annum funds…
@Grasshopper: Fix your car interest.How does it feel to earn 0.2% on a money market account? We get 6% minimum here.
@BOG: Do you think Grey rugby has declined?I mean they’ve lost to a 50% black team for two years in a row.They’re still lilly white and Boishaai is the Top team in the country
@BOG: Do me a favour and name one quota selection outside of Mahoje?
@Bush: bedtime at 8.30 on Sat night, sad sad sad….
@Grasshopper: ???????????
@Bush: I see, transfer are ok then?
@Grasshopper: Truck man, there’s a difference between working and running. I got a D for English. I’m tired going to bed. Sleep tight??????.
@Bush: so Saffas working around the world are not true Saffas? I just need to be clear….
@Grasshopper: I know, I got a D for English. It’s kuk to hear, but I’m a true SA guy. Come on Bok’s come on SA, come on GW. ???
@Bush: even Scumbilo will be a 100k a year for day dogs within 5 years, salaries are just not keeping up with this…
@Bush: what’s going to sting the most and what I felt the most was the constant protection of the Rand by increasing interest rates. My bond increased by R2000 a month in 6 months, car by R1,000. It’s going to continue to a point where financing anything will cost too much. Your beloved House will be half a bar a year within 5 years. Interest rates in the UK are almost zero %…
Hey Guys. Love you all !!!
We are alive and like they say.”Dis Lekker om te lewe”
Look at your Family and enjoy ✌✌✌
@BOG: I understand the expense of all that I love. But, where can you buy a Buffalo Bull for 168 million. I’m pissed that my wealth has decreased by 50%. I still choose to live here. Come on all you have is negative stuff. Do you still live in SA?
It’s got nothing to do with race, it’s got all to do with an out of their depth coaching staff. They have been thrown to the wolves. We need a proper proven international coaching group. We have plenty black players who will be there on merit, Gelant, Notshe, Nche, Kolisi, Sergeal, Skosan etc. We have a group of young guys learning the hard way. In 3 years from now under a proper coach we will be back to where we should be. It’s not all doom and gloom. Also this constant praise of the AB’s make them more confident. We need to believe psychologically we can compete, not put them on a pedestal. Next step is to make Whiteley the captain up to the next World Cup. Let him build the confidence….lambasting them doesn’t help.
@Playa: You are obviously pissed off with things and believe that denial is the best way to deal with it. Im certainly not trying to impress you with anything- dont fool yourself. You are the one who wants to turn my criticism of the selection policies into a race matter.And you will hardly find a journalist who will support your views.@Bush: Yep, so well, that only a miracle can prevent a credit downgrade. And I wonder how many SAs really fully understand the consequences? But, what the heck, Im sure that the Morgan fellow will console you- but his company will become very expensive with the ZAR at R50+ to the dollar
@BOG: It’s getting a little bit tired now. Man I hate all the bad kuk against me and my son. But hell we love SA. I’m South African and I love this country, it’s people and its problems.SA has done well considering. Hey my car got stolen, shit happens. Eskom, SAA, SANDF, GW, Internet, GO Pro Connection, Jealousy of Tokoloshe. Man Come on, Eish.
@BOG: Nonsense!You are colour.That ‘I have black friends’ rhetoric may work with your low self esteem black employees and friends,it doesn’t work with me.The first comment you had in the Bok loss was colour based.You see colour,you’re not fooling anyone by bringing up your so called black family.Give us a bit of credit for owning half a brain at least.
Fact of the matter is that the only team with a chance of beating the All Blacks is their B team.Get over race and get over yourself…for the same of humanity.
@Bush: Hahahahahaha rolled my Bells
@Playa: I find the Broederbond team, allies of the regime, reprehensible. You seem to be struggling with the truth, may I say, and obsessed with colour. And as my multi coloured family shows, I dont see colour. Merit only- players and coaches. Only problem is that they cannot be used as political pawns.
@Playa: The eyes?. Please do, as the last time I saw that look???? Don’t worry about the Tokoloshe, everyone is jealous as he has a massive banana.
@Playa: Doubt very much that your broederbond version of the best Bok team could have done any better.
@Bush: I can explain
Mission accomplished. Transformed and equality attained in a remarkably short period. The “Springboks” are at last, now on par with Bafunny Bafunny. Had it not been for the ABs having an average game, they could have taken them well below the level of “soccer”. Now for the hockey.
Go Bokke Go !!!! I hope …….
@Buddy: I reckon Playa is the gay tokoloshe and BOG is the oke lying in that bed. Those eyes belong to a Grey Old Boy. Good Night going to bed, before one of you guys hack my account. ?????. Sleep Lekker
@Playa: No it happened a lot. Why should it concern me? Not that the DNA would have been a bad idea. Its where some of the biggest fraud take place- “buying” SA parents by illegals for late birth registrations. What the heck, the flood gates are open and its happy hour in SA. No job, no problem. Do what the big induna does- steal, deceive, plunder, devour and consume. Let the few “stupid” ones produce. Which lasts of course, only so long. Then the pillars begin to collapse and eventually even sport- like rugby. And dont we have some excellent examples on this continent?
@Bush: Whahahaha Playa must explain ……
@GreenBlooded: What time must we be at your place for the braai ?
Will bring the Cappie and Coke
@Speartackle: Hey Mr Spear ,from Toti .
Saw you wrestling that Tiger Shark from the Thirsty Whale a wile back.
Very impressed Bud
@Playa: Hey Playa please explain this. What is this:http://www.dailysun.co.za/News/National/TERROR-of-the-gay-tokoloshe-20150316
@Buddy: Hey Buddy…where are you from? We should go for a drink soon.
I repeat!!
Greenblooded’s Rugby Blog Theorem:
The quantity and quality of KAK spoken on the blog is inversely proportional to the time elapsed since the end of SBR season.
You okes seriously need to get out more.
@Playa: Whahahahahahahahah Whahahahahahahah I nearly rolled my left handed cigarette
@BOG:
I saw that article. I take it, it was a renowned & respected writer that wrote that story? The same one that wrote the one about the Department of Home Affairs introducing compulsory DNA tests for newborns? You must have been pi$$ing your pants after that old woman came out saying some farmer from the Free State she worked for 40 years ago fathered her son…you must have had a Bob Hewitt/Bill Cosby moment there, Oom.
@Speartackle: Some Ballies Team. That’s me with my Best Buddy. Not the same oke on the blog as Buddy.
@Bush: I like your Whatsapp pic…..which team did you play for?
@Buddy: I’m at an auction. Jis this GW Buffalo R168 million. Nou gaan ons braai
@Andre T: Nee wat, toe ek die groen trui sien, toe weet ek jy en Spear is kort op sy hakke. Ironies, het ek nie veel van n probleem met GW nie- nie dat daar plek by my is vir tweede gunsteling nie.@McCulleys Workshop: You mean for the pufters they now marry?And prey for Sangomas like Player. I see that you can now do a BSc in Witch Craft, but you require a 10% pass in Maths literacy.
@Bush: Where’s the braai boet ?
@Greenman: Please be my Evil Green Twin
@Greenman: I promise not me, I look kuk in a vest. Especially those ones of yours with the holes and its white. I think it’s called a Greenman’s Vest. (Grandpa)
@Bush: D@Bush: Dressed like a gentleman sir. Knew you would not recognize one when you see one. Slip slops P T pant and vest. That you would recognized because it is in the mirror
@Greenman: Jis Greenman did someone hack your account as well. You dress like a ,,,,,,,, I’m not going to say it. But I like the way you think?????????????
@Grasshopper: Come on I love you, you my only friend. Or I’m your only friend. Let’s Roll Something Together. Gravies Beach left handed cigarettes.
@Bush: I think that title would be long to you with your infatuation with trying to piss me off and all things anti Glenwood…balony-trekker deluxe…
@Bush: @Buddy: At this rate you are going to break the most post record! Talking Shi*&^T
@Grasshopper: I roll a ton of things, but you are the King of Polony Rolling. Whahahahahaha.
@Bush: You do seem to love rolling things….bakkies, polony, dried fruit….what else?
@Grasshopper: Whahaha nearly rolled my M3.
Found my Jersey
Let’s kiss and make up
@Bush: No Fingplonker Street….
@Buddy: You look good.
I Love Michaelhouse !!!!
@Bush: You meant Rock me Amadeus
@Buddy: I never borrowed your GW jersey nor did I have my Landy stolen. It was a recovery vehicle for the Landy, it was my Toyota.
Well there has been some funny things happening on the Blog and in KZN. My account gets hacked and someone writes all that kuk, my account gets hacked for the second time and I get given a GW jersey. Then I’m at GW recruiting players for the French Foreign Legion and my Toyota is stolen.
I think I’m going to move to the UK, Hopper what street do you live in??? Imadoos Rd
@Andre T: You are correct Mate. I borrowed my GW Jersey to @ Bush last week at a braai and the bugger did not want to return it. Then Yesterday someone stole his Landie with my jersey in it at GW while he was busy recruiting rugby players.
This morning my Jersey magically appeared on my profile and now gone again.
Some weird Sh$t going on in KZN Boet…..
@Playa: Dominatrix
@McCulleys Workshop: He must be the dominee
@Buddy: I think I saw you in GW jersey earlier. What is wrong with you okes exchanging jerseys all the time?
@Playa: please don’t join the dark side boet.
@BOG: LOL! Oom, I thought you were smarter than that. You surely don’t believe that a majority view is always the correct one, do you? Or does that only apply to views that parallel yours.
Aargh, it’s Friday, and CT has depressing weather as is let me not go into the dark side.
@BOG: I saw your name in the Christchurch NGK newsletter prayer list.
@Andre T: Bog is now family and he just can’t stay away from Glenwood. He now funds our tuck shop Up and Under on a daily basis with is presence
@BOG: Lol…..jinne ou Bog maar ek sien jou deesdae gereeld in n groen trui. Oefen jy vir vir die Tour de France?
@Playa: I do apologise- also on behalf of the majority of rugby writers, all for being wrong. Wrong, meaning that we all disagree with you ?? @McCulleys Workshop: Who says that I dont already live in Durban or environs ?
My best side with 2nd in brackets;
1) Kitshoff (Thomas du Toit)
2) Marx (Mbonambi)
3) Redlinghuys (Nche)
4) Etzebeth (Jenkins)
5) PSDT (RG Synman)
6) Kriel (Kolisi)
7) Coetzee (Du Preez)
8) Whiteley (Notshe)
9) Faf (?)
10) Pollard (Lambie)
11) Skosan (
12) Van Rensburg (Mapoe)
13) F Steyn (Vorster)
14) Combrinck (Sergeal)
15) Kriel (Gelant)
Apologies if I mixed the wings up….
@McCulleys Workshop:
@star: Agreed!
@Grasshopper: The writer chooses to go the political route – that’s fine – politics in rugby is an issue. My problem is, if you’re going to write an article about the problems with racial selection then do that and be honest about it. Some glaring things from the article in point form:
– I agree Rohan J v Rensburg should be ahead of de Jongh. He should have been ahead of de Allende in the first place – but this seems to be ok with the writer
– I am no fan of Mohoje, and I would never have picked him in my squad in the first place, but he has shown up more than Flo has in the last few tests.Yet he goes at him, calling him a disgrace, citing a high tackle and one missed tackle….IN ONE BLODDY TEST against Argentina.
– The criticsm on Jantjies is fair. He hasn’t stepped up for whatever reason – but can we argue that he was our best available 10 when he was selected? His solution is an injured Pollard.
My problems:
– He praises Etzebeth for being the standout player in the team, doing things outside of his job description – but only singles out Mohoje as a weak link.
– He says the backline is a shambles, then tucks into Elton and de Jongh with a one line after-thought right at the end:
“Oh, and did I mention that Johan Goosen is dodgy under the high ball and there is no longer a top-class No 9 in the country.”
No criticism of a disgustingly underperforming Beast. No criticism of a Habana that is clearly way past his sell-by date. Why? If the point was to highlight players of colour that are letting the team down, why leave those two out? I can only speculate, so I’ll leave at that.
@BOG: You can’t live in Durban and NZ, you have to pick one.
This flippen Hackers?Just leave my jersey on now Please!!!???
You got my jersey back ????Heeeee haaaaaa
I want to live in Durban
Up the Green Machine
Here’s a thought a Bok Indaba at a conference centre inviting all the experts to thrash out ideas to put the Boks back where they should be. Come to some sort of consensus and blue print to catch up with the All Blacks.
@Playa: When the black wave comes in the last quarter of the match, the defensive structures of the bok back line needs to not only stand up but put back. There is not one player ( black or white) that has shown the necessary ability or attitude to do so. That is one reason for the dismal performances and certainly does not mitigate the appointment of Stick but rather exposes it further. Grassy mentions Sean Erasmus. It would be interesting to compare CVs as bringing in Foster and Smith would make the exercise beyond laughable. We have to get beyond our own narratives in order to really understand the challenge ahead.
@Playa: I didn’t read the article like the blame lay with 3 players, he just singled out a few and they happened to be of colour. He is a Kiwi so is fully aware about being sensitive to racial issues in a country with a large Maori & Pacific Islander community. It’s a combination of issues, coach lacking ideas, loss of experienced players, young guys making their mark, quotas, SARU lacking strong management….etc etc. Mallet loves to lambast everyone but he has no answers either. Why doesn’t he stop moaning and get stuck in, offer to advise AC. Same with Rob Louw & all the others whining. We need to support these guys as genuinely most of the squad are our best.
@BOG: Then there’s a huge problem with those many writers if they believe that only 3 players are responsible for the Boks’ dismal performances
@Grasshopper: I’d be careful of throwing schoolboy coaches into the net. Some people are just great with kids, and struggle with adults, or rather are able to get a good response from kids, and not so much from adults. It wouldn’t be a bad idea, however to start looking into schoolboy coaches as a grooming area for coaches in the next 5 years or so.
@Playa: Astonishing to see how many writers are now sharing his views, according to you, “not objective”-period. Perhaps they are the ones being objective? When someone starts singing the praises of Stick as a coach, he has lost all credibility. So when will Zim and Namibia make a comeback?
@Buddy: Forget about the Rhinos, save Kids and Coaches in Gauteng.
Was just working through the comments on one of the other threads and very amazed on how they pouch coaches and kids in Gauteng
We need to step it up in KZN ???
@McCulleys Workshop: that is the thing, I purposely don’t hype the team up. It must be other OB’s you know. I promote the school but never claim they going to be all conquering & whip the top sides. In fact I’m usually quite realistic but quietly optimistic. I’m just proud of the boys, nothing wrong with that
@McCulleys Workshop: Then when they do lose its all kinds of excuses from the Hopper man. I really hope for the schools sake they do well. After everything the school has been through this year. Let’s get the Buffalo Biltong, the PVR remote for the pause and rewind function, let’s not forget the Cappie and Coke. 2017 come on Baby
@Grasshopper: In fact do as you will, generally pulling the pin and continuing to hold the handgranade.
@Grasshopper: Lol, ok you majored in Economics! If I think they are overrated, the counter of that is I don’t underrate them! I can only speak for myself, but I have never underrated a Glenwood side, however that pales into insignificance in the face of your overwhelming overrating of them! You set them up for failure every year by raising the bar to extreme levels, generally at this time of the year while the banter builds. I’m sure they will be very good next year and maybe land some great scalps, and unlike House last year, I certainly hope they test themselves against all the big guns, to show their mettle. But please don’t project them to the stratosphere!
@McCulleys Workshop: Read my post again boet, I never said underrated I said overrated….
@Playa: Loubscher was clueless too. We haven’t had a decent coaching team for the past 5 years or more. We really need to wipe the slate clean and start again. Bring in a world class coach whatever it costs and let them pick the assistants etc. Also, ALL Super rugby coaches need to buy into the same gamplan as the Head coach. We have the players (whatever colour they are) and can sort this mess out before the next world cup. Maybe we should give a schoolboy coach a go, couldn’t do any worse than we doing now…..Sean Erasmus?
@Grasshopper: Glenwood certainly aren’t underrated by my estimation, but they are grossly overrated in yours, that’s the difference. They should have a good 2017.
@Grasshopper: I was being sarcastic…that comment was for Bog. And I agree with you.There’s this belief that SA all of a sudden the Boks due to politics only started being weak post 95.We fell behind during isolation and this is evident in the 92-94 results.The 70s leading up to isolation in 81 weren’t great either.Go further before the 70s and you will see a serious period of ebb and flow.The 30s and 50s were awesome,with the 60s being incosistent.
It’s because we had a period where The Curriebeker was the sh1t and manne thought SA was great though they were not competing internationally….little did they know that they were stuck and not evolving…and that lack of evolution is still evident in the game plan(or lack of) we have had for the last 16 years.Barring the 2007 world cup where Eddie Jones helped out.
Also brings me to a very important point…no one ever cared who the backline coach was till Jones came in.Then he left and no one cared again.Now Stick gets a lot of stick. I don’t recall any criticism of Loubcher during Heynekes term.Strange
@Playa: Well not really, it’s the wake up call we have been needing since readmission. We have been overrated for years with plenty of luck at times. Our luck has run dry. And just for all the Glenwood haters out there, Glenwood is overrated and can’t run with the big dogs…
@Grasshopper: The end of SA rugby I tell ya
@Greenman: Great.As long as you know I would never insult any kid. It’s not in my DNA
@Bush: Whahahaha, If I had that magical powers I would” Love Michael House” every morning
Boet return my GW Jersey and we can talk……
@Buddy: Then hack my profile again say those lovely words and give my bloody jersey back?????
Return my car to the place you took it from and I won’t say a word to the cops.
@McCulleys Workshop: @Playa: Apology accepted. Get blood rush so don’t assume between the lines reading. We good. Finger off the trigger. Trucker, never that pedantic but the kids do come first. Moving on
@Playa: I know our Under20 side battled vs the little blokes…
@Grasshopper: Green jerseys tend to not do well around a Japanese jersey
@Bush: Whahahaha. Just spilled my coffee over my desk
Just do that ” I Love Glenwood ” again and you will feel better, wish I can do that magical trick with the jersey….
@Grasshopper: Ja they beat the Green
@Bush: You only wear the Japanese jersey?
@Buddy: Well someone is hacking my profile, I could never wear a GW jersey as well as talk so much kuk. All in one night. Never. There is a Third Force behind this.
@Playa: Before Greenman hounds me again, the second sentence should start with a capital letter T, and I missed a ‘t’ in the third sentence, ” This is the case for this particular article. My comments were on this particular article, not on his other material”
@BOG: Even highly regarded, objective writers can write hogwash at times. this is the case for this particular article. My comments were on his particular article, not on his other material. This one is not objective, period.
@Bush: Eish now I am a Thief and a Hacker.
You are Killing me Boet !!!
@Greenman: I meant MY limited rugby brain – typo there – my apologies – I missed the ‘y’…check the lonely ‘m’ after the comma on 394.
If its Green its gone !!!!
@Buddy: Now you have run me out. Thanks for jersey, it goes well in the toilets in Khayelitsha. I see someone hacked my Profile once again. Hackers
@Bush: You keep on making k@k for me with that GW Jersey
Now its gone forever 
Sorry for your loss Mate,unfortunately your Landie spares would make my old Merc look like this
http://www.chilloutpoint.com/animals/the-ugliest-dog-in-the-world-contest-winners.html
@Speartackle: Spear you think Toti is rough. Don’t come into Glenwood. They will steal your underbroek
I see Bush and BOG dont know which jerseys they want to wear. Just admit deep down you 2 also want to be Hoppers
@Greenman: Morning Trigger Finger, ease up! It says “M(y) limited rugby brain cannot place him at any of the loose positions”. Sometimes you need to read between the lines, sometimes not, it like that 50/50 call…
@Buddy: No problem if you can get my car back. Was recruiting at GW this morning, went outside car gone. Buddy do the right thing give it back. ???????
@Playa: Fact is that John Reason is objective and for many years, highly regarded in the rugby playing world. No raving or objections from you, will change that. I can understand a rugby writers dilemma when writing about SA rugby. Should they be serious or do it from a humorous angle? Its such a tragedy at the moment, that the latter option is probably the way to go.
@Playa: Really. Do you write but cant read. Post 394 states “lmited rugby brain” What does that mean then. Just apologies and move on. Cant believe you want to justify.
@Grasshopper: Alright, I hear you – thanks for the clarity.
@Playa: JJ played No8 for a few games in 2015 when he was in grade 10. He certainly has the pace. I think he is about 5th quickest in the team over 60m. So if he did go down to say 110kg he could be an amazing ball carrier. He does seem to like playing very loose and stay away from rucks and mauls, so maybe his natural game is as a loosie. He would be an awesome back of the lineout option…
@Playa: you are of course correct that those schools also deserve some cudos.
@Greenman: I am not sure how that is an insult. You know him better than I do. All I was saying is from what I have seen of him, he is a solid tight (lock) forward, but I cant see him as a loosie. I was just seeking clarity on attributes you reckon would justify him to move to no 8.
@BOG: I didn’t deny anything Oom, and that article is far from being objective. For you to see an article that singles out only 3 players as the root of the Boks’ ills as objective is very concerning – especially one that doesn’t even touch on the issue of Strauss – who you admitted is part of the problem. Well I shouldn’t be surprised.
The writer says this:”In fact you could make Etzebeth almost the entire South African team at the moment. He has made three try-saving tackles in the previous two games and he has set up two of South Africa’s tries. If you want a guy to straighten the line, bring in two defenders and get the ball out of the tackle, then Etzebeth is your man.”
Then goes on a rant on just 3 players – and you call that objective????Maybe there’s a different definition of the word objective in the OFS English dictionary.
@Playa: As I said the other day, politics and sport are like addiction. First step to recovery, is acknowledging the problem. You are in denial. John Reason is not only highly regarded as a rugby commentator in Australasia, but throughout the rugby world. He is known for his objectivity and for you to suggest that he is prejudiced, is absurd. That excuse will still be used long into the future. Im sure. In the meantime, have your calculator ready for Saturday.
@Buddy: Queens and Selborne are our biggest (and oldest) derbies. Those are our annual double headers. Then our other big rivals are St Andrews, Kingswood and Grey PE (which is the furthest we travel).
@Playa: Well written Mr.
Quick Question: Do you guys travel a lot to get quality games in the Eastern Cape and who do you guys consider to be the classic derby on a weekend
@BrotherBear: Presuming the top group you refer to is the top 20, you might want to add Drostdy, Outeniqua, Garsfontein and Kingswood to that list of co-eds
@Playa: I think Ox Nche, Warrick Gelant, Marcell Coetzee & Pollard will strengthen the squad when they back..
@BOG: Well you only post articles that you agree with, and anyone you consider highly regarded is someone who shares your viewpoints. I read Nick Mallet’s critique and it pointed at a variety of issues – some of which I disagreed with, but I took it as it was well rounded. This one focusses on 3 players of colour, and highlights the race issue – nothing on the 2 journeymen of colour in Beast and Habana
Anyway, John uses too much emotive language for me to take this piece as anything more than just a journo playing mind games. His duty here is to get the Bogs of the world to beat their chests with the “I told you so” speech, and to get the Playas all up in arms and throwing their toys. He’s succeeded in getting Bog to do just that, but Playa is not peeved. The Boks are frustrating to watch, but we have seen this picture before…The pre-Kristie era; The Markgraaf-Du Plessis era; The Viljoen-Straeuli era;we are now in the Meyer-Coetzee era – we have had successes in between those eras when we have had the right coach, who picked the right players. This too will also play itself out….so keep calm and support the Boks – or don’t.
@star: you forget Westville have been taking in huge numbers in the past few years, over 270 in some years. Glenwood usually take in 220 a year. This year was different, around 260. Once this is back up again the teams will come. Also Glenwood demographics are different to Westville, where kids prefer other sports. Westville is a predominantly white suburb, although becoming more Indian, so rugby is the preferred winter sport amongst the avg kids. Rugby isn’t the key focus, look at the recent softball results. Our waterpolo is getting stronger, cricket has been strong for the past few years. Sportsman are concentrating on one sport these days which leads to elitism and fewer teams per sport but more sports. In our day the top sports guys did everything, less so these days. I see Palvie & JJ are top in their athletic events now. Palvie winning shot put & discus in the recent pentangular…
@Grasshopper: Congratulations specifically to Paarl Gim (9), Monnas (10) and Helpmekaar College (11), who are the ONLY co-ed schools in the top group of the combined rankings (yes, EG also at 15).
@BOG: Ja boet that Green will be spotted in the Western Cape……
Jees I like to make K@k
@Grasshopper: This definitely shows GWs emphasis on the marquee games to the possible detriment of the ” others”. Only 13 games were played against Westville from U16 down as GW were unable to field an U16E and U15E team. GW also only won 30 % of these games. It was actually quite sad seeing the Westville U 16E team playing a mock up game with itself to see some action on a Saturday.
Seriously though there will be extreme experience of the lows in sport and the boys must show character and resolve in 2017. Let the games begin.
I also glad that House is rated just above Fochville which is a lovely little town in the Wesrand.
Westville will have virtually its entire team back for next year which I am not sure is a good or bad thing
http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/rugby/national/rugby-the-combined-1st-xv-u14-u15-u16-rankings-2016.html
@Bush: I want my jersey back !!!
Me too
I Love Glenwood
@Bush: ??thats what its about.
Playing the game is supposed to be fun.Could that be the problem with the Boks ?
@Playa: Morning Playa, when the boys are done at Dale. Which provinces do they end up going too?
@BOG: Whahahaha.Beautiful boet.Strongs and happy shopping????
Someone must be on my profile, duplicated my comment.
@Buddy:
My crew ran away last night, the lid was put back on the Cappie early.
House has was it has and that’s good enough. The boys seem to get stronger and band together when the chips are down. I think that’s all that is needed for a supporter. We understand it’s going to take another 100 years to have a dream team of 2015. As long as the boys are enjoying themselves and having fun?????.
It’s wonderful to see the development of the kids through the ranks. Starting off with not much and ending with a developed young man.
@Buddy:
My crew ran away last night, the lid was put back on the Cappie early.
House has was it has and that good enough. The boys seem to get stronger and band together when the chips are down. I think that’s all that is needed for a supporter. We understand it’s going to take another 100 years to have a dream team of 2015. As long as the boys are enjoying themselves and having fun?????.
It’s wonderful to see the development of the kids through the ranks. Starting off with not much and ending with a developed young man.
@Buddy: That must be about 20 yrs ago, then? That is more or less when they stopped using “OB” registrations, I think. And the 140 yrs before that, they used ox wagons and horses on their recruiting “missions”. A very unique situation. 95% of the scholars are on rugby “bursaries”- even the tennis-, hockey-, soccer-,cricket-, players, athletes, swimmers, all enticed to Bloem by big money. The remaining school fee paying learners must be extremely wealthy?@Playa: I can understand that you too, are probably embarrassed by the state of SA rugby. Given the fact that you would criticise me for an article by John Reason, a highly regarded NZ rugby scribe, rather than respond to the criticism directed at you, at least shows that , for you, its a sensitive matter.( See 394, 400) I did not defend Strauss- I merely said that he cannot be held accountable for all the problems encountered by the team. My predictions of 2-3 yrs ago, for which I was crucified, have become a reality, and understandably, you are pissed off. Classic example of stoning the messenger. How that reflects on my “character”, is beyond me.
@BOG: Funny how this article lacks in Strauss,Louw,Goosen,De Allende…then again you wouldnt have posted it if it down.Especially after your defence of a highly incompetent Strauss earlier this week.Says a lot about your chracter
@BOG: Boet I understand that your school bus branded Grey Bloem was spotted in the Western Cape not tasting wine but busy browsing the talent at Swartland and Drostdy.
The white Toyota with the OB Reg no: ?
@Bush: Had n couple of cold cool drinks and could not come up with a Kieran Read for next year.Suppose time will tel.
You guys happy with available talent for your first team next year?
@Buddy: Hi, you need a fast oke. Maybe can do the 100 in 11-12’s. But has the capacity of a Hyena. I’ve always like okes like Morne Dup, Gary Techiman, Ryan “The Hoff” players with speed, link up outside your 3/4’s or that can run like a centre. Whiteley is like that, same as the AB number 8 Kieran Read. Proper linking players. You can hit up with your front row, locks and one flank. If you saw them for the first time you would think they are centres. I know there are okes that prefer the smashing number 8, just my opinion.
@Grasshopper: 378: Meloparks U16 team was in great form when we played them in Kimberly with loads of depth.
So no excuse with that game and also the Beeld Champs 2016.
Watched the Beeld U16 final with my boy on this link
https://livestream.com/accounts/17162445/events/6213042
@Bush: Any alternative prediction on 8 ?
@Greenman: I don’t either
@McCulleys Workshop: Don’t know
@Greenman: Is he contracted for 2018 yet?
@Greenman: Ja and the girls do the work. Any way I’m not qualified enough to debate this. Pouring my first Cappie so signing off before I get hacked again.
@Bush: come Bush! At lock you locked in. Speaks for itself. But at 8, which way you gonna go?
wrong, loinS get their Buffalo eventually but then again 14 others to assist. team game remember
@Greenman: Now at number 8 that’s an outstanding game plan??? He can and does that at lock already. A lion always gets its Buffalo.
@Playa: Your post 394 and I quote:
” I thought he was a pretty solid lock, m limited rugby brain cannot place him at any of the loose positions”
@McCulleys Workshop: Not trigger happy! We can just hope we competitive but nice to know the boys are good.
@Bush: You have never heard me throwing excuses when we have lost. Always congratulated the opposition. We give it our best and that is it. JJ doesn’t hit rucks. Want space and then carry three on his back like a buffalo attacked by Lions.
@Playa: If it’s my buddies from Wentworth you are finished. Better get a new profile
@Buddy: quick count 11 out of 15 1st teams players this year there next year. Pretorius and Hendricks, although under 16, played in Sanix. Playing players out of position is nothing new. Even made SA out of position, Richardson.
Jonas is awesome, agree. Pla
@Greenman: I’m agreeing with you and your team. Just don’t want to hear excuses if it doesn’t turn out Lekker for you. It will be awesome for KZN if GW could hold their own in the better league. Only problem if they do, is the Craven Week selection. Your 4th team players will selected before MHS 1st team players???????
I’m in agreement with Playa about JJ at 8. He’s a solid lock. I think he will be predictable at 8. He will be better hitting rucks at lock than at nr8. Did he play fly half at Primary School?????
@Greenman: Greenman, you are too twitchy, nothing offensive has been said (other than by a hacker) and I agree that you should have a great season, as was said this time last year about the 2016 GW season. Loosen up your trigger finger. It will be great to see how they go at KERF and WK, good luck.
@Greenman: I’m not sure where I insulted any kid.Never have and I’ve never intended to do so.Please point out where I did and I’ll gracefully retract and apologise.I hope my account hasnt been hacked.Id be trucken peeved
@Greenman: Like your team prediction and would also enjoy JJ on 8.
Another very exciting player is J O Neil that’s very busy on the field.
@Bush: @McCulleys Workshop: @Playa: All in good time Boys, all in good time. Hold on to your banter. No need to trash GW now already. Season only starts next year. We excited. We know your are not. Playa, please refrain from the childish attacks on our kids. No need to get personal.
why not 8 for JJ? He has played all positions even flyhalf. Might not be but that is where I would like to see him. It will be an awesome pack.
Looks like a fabulous 2017 for GW, great 1st XV and a Springbok Captain. Hopefully KZN gets a public holiday, they can call it Greenday or Roll my Polony day.
@Grasshopper: that being said I would like to see them smack John Ross, Pioneer, Vryheid, Voortrekker Bethlehem in 2017.
Hope you have decent calculators to keep score on Saturday. Here is a perspective from the well respected NZ journalist, John Reason on the shambolic boks. http://www.sport24.co.za/RugbyChampionship/kiwi-scribe-lets-rip-at-shambolic-boks-20160914
@Grasshopper: You seem to forget that often it’s a case that they perform to the potential that they are allowed to perform to. Its not always a case that GW are brilliant and they just didn’t perform on the day, some teams are just better than them.
@Grasshopper: On the bright side…that one less game in altitude
@Greenman: Out of interest, why would JJ move to No.8? SA Schools A lock and all. I thought he was a pretty solid lock, m limited rugby brain cannot place him at any of the loose positions.
@Greenman: Why 8?
@Grasshopper: We will see next year. It’s Lekker. Maybe this will send a message to all the schools in KZN to get with the professional school boy program. Or local is Lekker
@Bush: Well one of the big dogs has run away…Affies, even though they gave us a snotklap. We don’t make excuses just naturally get frustrated if the team doesn’t perform to potential…
@Grasshopper: No I mean overall, GW is not interested in competing locally. We understand that. Let’s see the running with the big dogs!!!!! Can see all the BS excuses when you come second. Team looks awesome on paper.
@Bush: It won’t be that interesting in KZN with no Hilton, House or Northwood fixture for Glenwood. George Campbell and Northwood loses were fair and square, no excuses. They were a few years ago now though….
Or make a dozen useless excuses when you lose to George Campbell. Let’s watch this space. Going to be very interesting.
@Greenman: House want to avoid 60 plus it seems….doesn’t look good in the yearbook losing like that to the Scumbilo boys..
Eish! I think I will maar also pull out rather than play these boys
@Grasshopper: Busy shedding weight and putting muscle!
@Grasshopper: Didn’t realize that u16 side lost that many games. Thought they were unbeaten
@GreenBlooded: He is also the Sharks 7’s coach this year (along with Jeremy McLaren – had to be a GW influence
)
@Greenman: Gosh JJ at No8….that would be a scary thought for some sides. He will need to cut down 10kg
@Grasshopper: I don’t know about the coaches! Will have to wait and see. possible move of Schwultz to prop and De Wet hooker. My thinking:
15 Dillion Kruger
14 Christo
13 JC Conradie
12 Jonker/ Le Fleur
11…
10 Pretorius/Alan
9 Hendricks/Jooste
8 Jj
7 Terblanche
6 J O Neil
5 Laubscher
4 Ncube
3 Schwultz
2 De Wet
1 Clarke
Just a cause. All played either Grant Khomo or CW
@Greenman: Yep, going to have a good squad for sure. Maybe lacking at prop a little. Are Rudi and Mike moving on?
@Grasshopper: The Glenwood 1st coach is going to have a pleasing nightmare in selecting. If this year was rough, watch next year. Still out there who the coach is going to be? Who we playing? Kearnsney week programme?
@Greenman: Yep, heard we played a very weakened side at Wildeklawer but no excuses, shows the lack of depth then…
@Grasshopper: … and at Wildeklawer they played without their star no 9 and 10 who was included in the Sanix squad.
@star:
I feel for him. He’s an astute coach – did my Level 2 with him way back when. What is remarkable is that he has been highly successful at Westville with all the teams he coached. Then he gets to 1st XV and has a mare. It doesn’t fit. Can’t help but think there were other factors at play………….
@star: A few of the Glenwood Under16A results;
vs Michaelhouse won 80-0
vs Westville won 38-5
vs Kearsney won 29-10
vs College won 49-0
vs DHS won 33-15
vs Grey Bloem lost 21-32
vs Affies won 30-12
vs Monnas lost 5-13
vs Southend (UK) won 43-7
vs Framesby won 66-0
vs HTS Middelburg (Wildeklawer) lost 26-29
vs Menlopark (Wildeklawer) lost 19-22
@GreenBlooded: It is actually due to the fact that it is a very good team and have been for a while. Did they not beat House by over 70 points?
According to the Saschoolsport rankings they are 4 in the country with my 2 old schools Hilton at 12 and Westville at 21. Westville have 2 reps which seems is in line with expectations. You see it is as simple as that. However sometimes it is not that pragmatic 
On another note it appears that the Westville 1st team coach ( Norris) is going to Clifton and I presume that the U16 coach Strydom will step into the breach.
@Bush: I don’t but I would guess DHS…
@Grasshopper: Well done to those 6 boys. Fantastic stuff. Do you know where or which schools made up the balance?
@Grasshopper:
Hopper – it must be due to all the Glenwood Old Boys and coaches on the selection committee. We have our bloody agents everywhere Boet!
@Grasshopper: Wait for it ……….
Here are the biased KZN/Glenwood selectors operating again; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/six-glenwood-boys-selected-saru-u16-assessment-camp-2016
@Playa: Especially for people who drink. They start talking to a dog and the dog answers them- so they think.
@BOG: Beter kan ek dit nie se nie ????
@BOG: You need to learn to be tolerant Oom…dogs are people too.
@Grasshopper: I had no dog in this fight until I noticed the presence of old Boerboel, a common irritation. He has an invasion of fleas from time to time-in fact most of the time, and then becomes irrational and incoherent. He nagged me for GCBs away record and when I gave it to him, he simply evaporated. Obviously a new arrival- if its true, in the Paarl. Only solution for him is a groom and de-fleaing at the SPCA.
@Buddy: Whahaha nearly rolled my bakkie
@Bush: ??? Thought it went Avocado ??
@Buddy: Whahaha now you are definitely scratching in the wrong Bush. Whoever you thought I was or were, has all gone pear shaped
@Bush: Where credit is due you give it boet.
@Playa: Hahahaha Eish ………Your killing me Mr Playa. ????
I enjoy this ✌✌
@Buddy: Come on Buddy, you making me feel like a complete Seabass right now??????
@Buddy:
I must say it is concerning when a grown man goes fishing other grown men’s characters and profiles and is ok with it…to each their own! Puts the whole ‘Truck buddy’ obsession into perspective 
@Playa: Bwahahahaha. No mate not Mr Jonker and what a lekke oke he is…..
The only chap I know for sure is Mr Bush and I had to fish if it was him.Thats perhaps why he feels that he was stalked hehehehe and just to mention that according to me he is a ambassador of the game. Hats of to Mr Buch???
So guess again of like me happy fishing bud ??
@Buddy: That’s it…you mus be Marius Jonker and boerboel is TK…he’s just using the ”my son is at Boishaai” line to confuse the enemy..makes sense now
Hopper why did you lie to us? You been found out, acting as Hillary Clinton’s body double:https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1996
@boerboel: Sien Garsies is lus vir julle.Steel mos Abner oornag van hulle dan maak julle of die die WP is…..
Typical a Boerboel that likes to ? on your grass
@McCulleys Workshop: Boet I don’t work at Glenwood ???.Just a parent supporting my son that just want to play the game of rugby and compete againt the best of the best.He enjoys his experience as a border in the BE and smiles. Thats what count’s and not your filthy Truck buddy ?
So Mr Truck if you think that I am the Burger Man from Umbilo try again ?
@Grasshopper: If I were you I would take exception to Buddy’s comment @Buddy: He’s trying to down play your importance again as an Economics Major and a social media maven of standing.
@Grasshopper: do not hate gw at all-just another school with wannabee supporters unfortunately
@McCulleys Workshop: Yep, 37 year old adult….maybe a kid in your eyes…..who knows…
@McCulleys Workshop: whatever make you truck starts.
???????⛐
@Buddy: Lol – I honestly didn’t know Grasshopper was one of your kids, I would have backed off ages ago! He has been masquerading as an adult for all these years, the opposite of Tom I guess.
@McCulleys Workshop: The last person on earth I would want as my buddy is Boerboel, he has ADHD and OCGHD….
@McCulleys Workshop: Green Glenwood Ghost syndrome!!!
Love how you guys faf over our kids.?
@Grasshopper: Ok now we agree, Boishaai’s fantastic two seasons has absolutely nothing to do with GLENWOOD, and therefore Boerboel is at total liberty to not be your GLENWOOD BUDDY.
Hopper that was like pulling teeth…
@McCulleys Workshop: Nope, completely the opposite. But if you want to make sweeping assumptions and claims then go ahead.
@McCulleys Workshop: Hahahaha go wash your Truck
@Grasshopper: You mean not solely due to Sean’s grooming at GLENWOOD!
It’s ok, we can take it, say it like it is. Boishaai are currently No1 in SA because of GLENWOOD.
@boerboel: Aaaaa was just fishing.Thx Mr BOISHAAI ??
@McCulleys Workshop: Not solely due to Sean, but he has made a huge impact and did his learning at Glenwood. He probably has some better ‘tooling’ at Boishaai too…
@Grasshopper: So you actually believe that Booishaai’s success over the last few years is as a result of SE’s grooming at GW, It’s ok, we know you are fishing … for compliments.
@GreenBlooded: ur laaitie prefect for 2017 at GW?
@McCulleys Workshop: Difference is Sean hasn’t done anything wrong…stupid logic….
@Grasshopper: Flip it around, so you are suggesting that we should love and forgive TK because he was at GW for 18 years? … Bizarre
@boerboel: But you have a successful old Glenwood coach in Sean Erasmus, remember he was at Glenwood for more than 10 years and you hate Glenwood….bizarre…
@Buddy: my son in boishaai-buddy
@GreenBlooded: So it should have been a 22 Drop Out. Very technical, even the commentators had no idea. Joel is blaming Habana for a bad kick. I understand why refs get it wrong at times. The ruck rule is the most interesting, just as you think you understand the rule. The ref blows it differently.
http://www.sareferees.com/News/law-discussion-ball-dead-in-ingoal/2830744/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Interesting Law Discussion in an attempt to get this thread back into something remotely rugby related. Remember thinking – ‘Is that right?” when it happened.
I have heard that the preliminary program for the Kearsney Easter Festival is available. Can anybody assist me in getting it?
Have you now all taken to Captain Morgan?
@Buddy: sounds awesome! Doing a tour of SA, Noord Kaap, Augsberg Gim, Tygerberg, Outeniqua, Oakdale, Marlow, Nico Malan, Framesby anyone not too scared or happy to play a semi professional team….
@Grasshopper: Bliksem boet we are touring SA next year.Hope the old Merc will outlive the SBR Season?✈??⛽
@Buddy: the Traveling Wilbury’s ?
@GreenBlooded: please be my “K@k praat maat”?
Got space in the Merc when we travel all over SA next year???
Greenblooded’s Rugby Blog Theorem:
The quantity and quality of KAK spoken on the blog is inversely proportional to the time elapsed since the end of SBR season.
@McCulleys Workshop: or my Motley Crue from the Deep South of Durban??????????????????
@McCulleys Workshop: Bwahahahaha. You killing me ???
Love they way you two back each other.
Beautiful!!!???
@Bush: You think he’s the guy that could have hacked your profile?
@Boerboel. Time to climb out of the Affies box broer!!!
@Bush: No secrets bud.
Just enjoyed your humor with the backing of the Trucker?
@McCulleys Workshop: Stalking or hacking same thing. Buddy finds out secrets, I think he is the Mr Robot on this blog.
@McCulleys Workshop: Wash your Truck boet !!
@Buddy: No, no there can’t be two of you on the same blog?????. Whatever you have as a secret is great. Keep it under your hat. Been stalked is a scary thing and a little weird. I thought my mates from the Bluff, Burra and Wentworth I had around this weekend were weird, but you take the cake.
@boerboel: Calling on Mr Affies !!!
@Bush: did you mean hacking?
@Bush: Bwahahaha .Think boet think…..Got you thinking who the hell is this A hole✌
@Bwana: when have I bad mouthed SA? I have stated fact….big difference, I love SA and hope it improves. People move for work all the time, like I have….
@Bwana: yep in other channels…..
@Grasshopper: Bob nor Brad badmouth South Africa like you. Discretion is the better part of valour
@Grasshopper: But is Bob or Brad as vocal as you? Forgot you are the intellectual of this blog what with all your degrees
@Bwana: funnily enough the Glenwood mascot is Norm, Stormin Normin!
@Buddy: Who you stalking tonight Buddy?
@Bwana: so Bobby Skinstad shouldn’t follow or support Hilton from here in the UK? Brad Barritt etc….dumb reason…
@Bush: He’s a Mamba of disguise.
The Evil Triplets………Bush in the sin bin with a red card while Bwana gave his best pass for the Trucker to score but knocked it.
Impressed with you guys?
@Bush: Put what differently Mr Bush? Sorry Mr GB but most old boys keep an eye open on their alma maters but it seems Hopper is the exception to the norm.
@McCulleys Workshop: No my Buddy, Buddy. The oke that is stalking me, the secret hacker
@Bush: You mean your Buddy Boerboel
@GreenBlooded: Whahaha, Thanks to my buddies. I’m still busy with them. On 987, having a break.
@GreenBlooded: He only needed 2
@McCulleys Workshop:
Bush should be doing 2000 push ups…..
@Bwana: Just don’t befriend Capt Morgan while debating with Hops, Bush is still doing penance (he met her in Toti at the Rum and Rascal).
@Bwana: Whahaha, my buddies put it differently ??????????
@Bwana:
Why should he do that? Are you saying that Old Boys living abroad should not follow their schools and keep abreast with the goings on at their alma maters??
@Grasshopper: Enjoy the UK and leave the South Africans to worry about schools rugby. Go watch Millfield and support them.
@Bwana: is this thread not to do with KZN ranking and Glenwood not playing enough local schools? I rest my case….
@GreenBlooded: Calling Glenwood a circus/nomadic was in reference to their future travelling. Nothing to do with the shenanigans going on at Nicholson Road! Well the amount of fixtures seems to indicate there is a problem with prospective opposition for the men in green! In terms of obsession, that is mainly due to your UK based connection and his constant changing of the subject to Glenwood based. Hopefully the Glenwood boys enjoy all their free weekends off in the rugby season next year! Maybe the parents will get discounted fees. I take it your lighty has been announced as an Acting Prefect. That is great news, congratulations. That is the ultimate honour at College.
@Grasshopper:
@GreenBlooded: Well done on your lighty boet….
@Bwana:
You didn’t outright state it – buy you seemed to come out of the woodwork and bag Glenwood with a string of posts. You comment about our match schedule here @Bwana: then make a snide remark about being “nomads” and a “circus” here @Bwana: Followed by a diatribe on the fact that no-one want’s to play us (which is bollocks BTW) here @Bwana:. Why are you so obsessed with what Glenwood are up to? Just forget about us. The only thing that should concern you about GW is the College fixture. Don’t worry who else we play, when, how we get there, who pays for what etc. It’s none of your beeswax. And if you dislike GW that much – boycott the match. Or petition the GB to boycott the fixture.
@boerboel: Ek praat maar Afrikaans met jou want ek hoor nou net dat jou seun speel vir die u16A span van Affies wat so pakslae gekry het by Glenwood so bietjie meer as n maand terug?
Ask Bush a secret will come out when his Twin starts his Tow truck?
@Bwana: Maybe, well good on them and College. I have only heard good things about Glenwood boys from hosts and people visiting the school. Obviously boys will be boys and there are a few that might misbehave, but that is more a reflection on their parents than the school….
@Grasshopper: The results have nothing to do with it, the results are irrelevant. Maybe they just like College better.
@Bwana: I would like Affies to respond to said matter as Glenwood hosted them but in turn the are not willing to do the same?
@Bwana: I have no idea. No disrespect to College but maybe they find the games easier to win at A team level…under16A is a case in point….
vs Glenwood (home) – Affies lost 12-30
vs College (away) – Affies won 74-0
@boerboel: So Boerboel who do you support?
@Grasshopper: Then why do the College and Affies communities have nothing but mutual respect for each other? A country like South Africa has such a rich cultural diversity. Surely it is in the interest of producing future proud South Africans to embrace different cultures?
@Grasshopper: agreed,affie and monnas parents in general still have their own teeth
@Bwana: I don’t want to state the obvious but there are huge cultural differences between the Affies boys and families and the Glenwood ones……could be said for Monnas too…
@GreenBlooded: Well I am a College Old Boy who almost went to Glenwood as a 3rd generation Glenwood boy. Where did I state my dislike for Glenwood? All I did was ask some, what I think, were valid questions. I was not up in Pretoria but the only celebration I had was when College fought back and showed some typical never-say-die College guts to win. In terms of the dropping of the fixture I do not agree with it. KZN rugby will be poorer without. It just seems to be odd that plenty of schools seem to have problems with our friends from Nicholson Road. Just my observation but then again all I am is a simple Glenwood-hater according to you.
@Bush: Eish! You must have taken a lot of sakkie to praat so much kak! In the old days I would have given you a cake of soap to wash out that mouth.
@Bush: The Green Glenwood Ghost Bud …..
Always hits the hardest on a weekend ?
@McCulleys Workshop: Eish, I would like to apologize for my outburst. I was off sides and if Beet gives me a red card I deserve it. Sorry Bloggers????????????
@Bush: Ok Bush, it’s safe to come out now.
@GreenBlooded: No I have not read the book. I have heard about it though. If we are so pissed off, knowing a little, I wonder how most of us would feel if we had known everything? I agree, AS has not stepped up in that role, but he probably realizes it, which explains his announcement of retirement.@Buddy: There is no chance in hell that you will get the players back, until they have reached the end of their careers and are no longer in demand abroad. And as the ZAR weakens, the stronger the incentive will become to leave. Money talks, especially, where people have only a few years to make it.
Ox Nche, Marx & Thomas du Toit should be on the bench and being blooded for the future, that is our Japan front row…
@BOG: I think that we need to get our talented players in Japan and France back to SA.If it means that SARU needs to get their act together and pay these players with salaries that’s on par with the rest of the world.
We can do with the experience and kicking boot of Frans Steyn just to mention one player….
@McCulleys Workshop: wash your truck its dirty?
@BOG:
It was one thing wrong. Not the only thing wrong. It cannot be denied that Strauss’s captaincy has been woeful since he took over. But agree with you on other points – specially the JZ one. Have you read the Johan Booysen book that just came out? Scary scary stuff!
@BOG: Allistair Coetzee is a nice bloke but not a world class coach. SARU need to pull finger and get a world class coach asap or we won’t get out of the group stages in Japan. Even bring back Jake FFS!
@GreenBlooded: Bush was hanging out with his old army mate Capt Morgan. It was a reunion of sorts.
@GreenBlooded: Surely, you are not saying that Strauss must accept all the blame for that catastrophe? I think it has more to do with the coaching team, selection—. A captain can only do so much but if you have mostly donkeys or mules in the July, dont expect to win the race. Many think that we in SA only need to get rid of JZ and everything will be hunky dory. Not so. Likewise with our rugby. Politics and sport is like addiction. First step to recovery, is admitting the problem and denial is not a solution.
@GreenBlooded: Dop n Dial or Booze n Blog.
@GreenBlooded: Umkomaas, but over the weekends I come up to Hilton. Spend sometime with our son
@Bush:
I thought home was in Toti?
@GreenBlooded: Whahaha, no was chilling at home in Hilton.
@Buddy:
Agreed! The scoreboard in New Zealand next week better have 3 digits on it. What the Bok’s lacked yesterday was guts and heart. Nothing. They should have used the impetus of the early lead to close the game out but they lacked motivation and that should have come from a passionate skipper. WW would have made all the difference with that yesterday.
@Bush:
Don’t drink and blog! You’ll regret it in the morning! Lords and Legends rocking last night?
@BOG: in our non Saffa area outside of London my wife has met 3 other Saffa moms and their kids who have moved here in the past 3 months. Laager mentality won’t work forever & the bubbles that Saffas live in are starting to burst….
@Bush: Im not looking for sympathy, but for too long, too many people have been looking the other way, while others are being slaughtered. And while they pretend, the slaughter is continuing. And pretending that things are normal and about to improve. This has not ever happened on this continent. In fact, the “fundamentals” show that things can only get a lot worse. But we should never condemn those who leave. Many are and it takes a lot of courage and money to do so. And the decline is everywhere, even in sport like rugby.But yes, stand up and fight back.by all means. That is all that we can do.
@BOG: BOG, watch War of the Flea. I will arm myself, stand and fight. I’m South African. This is not the place to look for sympathy.
@Grasshopper: A very moving tribute, indeed. Its happening all over SA and with increased regularity. But most people prefer to look the other way- until it happens to someone close to them. In the same week, a lovely 28 yr old mother , also of 2 small children, was shot and killed in the driveway of her sister in Edenvale, in the presence of her husband and 2 small children,as they were leaving after a visit. It always strikes more when this happens to a young parent. Just two incidents, leaving 2 victims, 2 grieving spouses, and 4 little children without a father/mother.
@Grasshopper: Hammered? Hope my English is ileka your Fok wtf
@Bush: haha drunken blogging! Classic!
@Grasshopper: You ate shit better than me. You poes
@Bush: classy House boy….losing a parent at 11 and living on the Bluff in a single parent low income household as a kid….vs going to House…..hmmmm…
@GreenBlooded: WW will make an impact but we need the correct combination and it just seem like there’s no winning plan on the table.The All Blacks will hammer us with this type of game en dissension making.
Mr hopper please forgive my friend as he is under the spell of the Green Glenwood Gost and we will request a priest to assist with this problem.
So stuff Buch I need a bed??
@Grasshopper:And you are an OB of the Bluff Beach Eating Shit Club.The same as the comments you make about boys struggling at the BE, fuck you, you know fuckall about struggle,Thats why you run like a jail arsehole. FY and your stupid idea of running, now you have given all right to comment on SA
@Buddy:
I think half the problem with the Boks is poor leadership on the field. WW will make a huge difference in that respect.
Argentina – Eish! Playing with the big dogs has really built them up. Shows what can happen when a team regularly takes on mighty opponents…
@Bush: Bwahahaha.Beautiful ????
@Bush: Garvies OB, get it right……Moose, hahah. I wish you said that on the Bluff bus to town in the early 90’s…
@Buddy: Not a fuck, I will sleep in the Forest of Sherwood. Or in the bush of another mother before I get a free handout from a Moose.
@Grasshopper: Mr Hopper I need place to stay for the England tour.Can you help me as I will bring Kingsley Holgate aka Bush with me and promise that he will behave ?
@Grasshopper: Jis, you blocked me again. I was hoping you would at least give us a true GW struggle. A true Bluff MF round house PK kick, at Ansteys Beach eating shit to become a local.
@Bush: Don’t think that Mr Glenwood can turn this around on his own.
Was very impressed with Argentina in the first 20 min against the All Blacks and think that’s the recipe on how to beat them if you can do it for the full 80 min?
@Bush: I have a British passport….no need….
@Grasshopper: And the Hopper family is one. But your English is above par, so you are fucked. Grow a beard and you will never get a green card.
@Bush: Funny you mention that, there are quite a few SA people applying for refugee status here in the UK…..EISH…
@Buddy: Never my Buddy, GW will be the new Captain. All will be good??????????
Bwahahaha gees you guys are killing me.Just watched the Bok game and missed all the k@k here on the blog.
We are in deep ? with SA Rugby
@Grasshopper: Seriously Hopper, we don’t need this stuff on a blog. What about the farmers, what about the people in the townships. If you want to gain brownie points, go to the House(Not the Red and White) and seek refugee in your new country.
My slain friend, if this doesn’t move you then I don’t know what will. Cry the beloved country. Just taken for no reason; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7pR2WIOE394&feature=share
@Grasshopper: Hopper, I took a fence to your comment about my language. I received a D in English but an A in naaing your sister.
@GreenBlooded: but only 2 months or so ago I was told Zeilanga was crap & Strauss was an amazing Bok captain…..I just smile…..
@Playa: dude, not on the scale of SA, it’s rife. South Africans are just numb too it. Murders don’t even make the news, here if someone attacks somebody it’s all over the news. We don’t live in London, in fact we 55km away from central London in the countryside. I checked the accurate crime stats here in our town, last murder in 2012! Last breakin was 5 months ago. SA is actually considered a war-zone due to the high murder rate. I mean Oscar is a prime case, high profile guys gets nothing for murder, what message does that send. We came here for work & love SA, but unfortunately no matter what one does we cannot control the economy and the leadership. One can put their head in the sand or be proactive. SA will take 20 years to come right, do we stay and struggle whilst waiting or make a change. For me it was a no brainer.
@GreenBlooded: That one is special, it’s Hoppers. Anger is a very bad thing. One needs to forgive and move on. Wasn’t my best move.
@Bush:
Did he really give you a Glenwood jersey? I can think of no-one less fitting to receive such a fine gift. If I were him I would retrieve it before it ends up in your fireplace…….
@Grasshopper:
Bush is not young. He looks like Kingsley Holgate.
@GreenBlooded: Secret is out????. Don’t tell Buddy????????????
@Bush:
Zeilinga – great player. Glad there is at least one Glenwood boy you enjoy…….
@BOG: I will never ask that moose for anything. I’m operating on full automatic at the moment. Loving this Zillinger vs Sharks game.
@Bush: You must ask your buddy in the UK to send you some “Navy Rum”. In my drinking days, I was a Red Heart man, but Navy Rum, with Black Currant, nogal, beat it by quite a margin. As things are going now, you will have to upgrade to an automatic, because the vermin come in gangs . Years ago, automatics were banned, but the law made provision for exceptions for people in the border areas. A few in the Border (EL area) latched on to this loophole and bought automatics until the loophole was closed. True story.
@BOG: Cappie and coke, where else in the world can you braai and turn you meat with your 9mm. SA a beautiful place, I love it.
@Playa: So sorry that Im now obliged to respond to that. Crime is everywhere, but not many civilized countries compare with SA- even close. Your chances of being murdered in SA, is 7 X more likely than in the US, where it is regarded as high. Understandably so, because SA has 50-60 murders pd, and a rape every 4 minutes.We are regarded, officially, as the third most violent in the world. Add to that, SA is now regarded as the most corrupt in the world, after becoming African “champ”. That requires some effort.
@Bush: What are you drinking?@Playa: I still need some entertainment. The good thing is that Supersport should drop them soon and then we all can suspend DSTV and watch rugby on SABC 1 at 01:00.
@Grasshopper: Crime is everywhere chief,the only difference is that SA has a warped justice system.Sorry about your friend,real tragic that we have such stories in this country. I really hope you and your family never become victim of a stabbing in the stabbing capital of the world.
@BOG: Good…I hope you’ll now stop blogging in a rugby bkog
@Grasshopper: Then be back when things turn here in my beautiful South Africa.
@Bush: I don’t shop at a Saffa shop, I live in Harpenden, nowhere near typical Saffa areas. Also, once a Saffa always a Saffa, you don’t just change allegiances when you move. My kids will support England which is fine by me.
@Grasshopper: Well, we are not all as educated as you. Of course you would shop at a South African shop, that is typical. You don’t deserve to call them Boks. So call them what you want, support your new country.
Having watched the Springboks lose to a team which I thought was pretty weak, Im sure it will make you all feel a lot better about your rugby in KZN. Next week, the ABs and I cannot imagine the total embarrassment to come. I have always thought that SA should do well in the 3 Nations, verses Namibia and ZimBOBwe, but Im no longer sure about that either. Right now, I find underwater hockey a lot more appealing, that is until the ANC wants to get their filthy claws on that as well. We ll have players drowning in the pool, if they do.
@Bush: You blog like a child though and your grammar is appalling. Plenty to do here & actually have a lekker Saffa butcher in the town. Hope you enjoyed the Boks (Proteas going forward as they don’t deserve to be called Boks) losing to a very poor Aussie side. I’m very happy knowing my family is safe and I’m not going to be shot in the stomach coming down the stairs in my own house to see what the noise is about. RIP Gary, you will be missed…
@Grasshopper: Older than you, I’m South African 100%. Any way, I’m watching rugby. I’m sure you have something Lekker to do with your family in your new country. Have a good weekend. Go buy some wors, Mrs Balls and barbecue Lekker by yourself.
@Bush: it’s not about fighting ones corner it’s about the future of ones kids. You sound too young to know about that…
@Grasshopper: Shame you poor day dog. It’s a pity you didn’t go, there you learn things about teamwork. You are the only person on this planet to have a shit life. Why run like a coward dog with you tail between your legs. Stay and fight you box
@Grasshopper: You’re the one assuming here.There’s one fact…and that is he left to go to Glenwood on a Gelnwood bursary
@Bush: nope, was never at Gibson House but had to catch a bus early in the morning from the Bluff and back in the afternoon, about an hour each way then make my own dinner at night and breakfast as my dad worked late, certainly not cushy like being in a BE…
@Buddy: But said nothing about keeping that a secret. Flip man, sorry. I hope I didn’t drop you in the poo.
@Bush: you just can’t keep a secret …..
@Grasshopper: Jip, that’s when we had a bad year. We used the Girls from St Anne’s. But next year looks to be better.
Good result for our u14A side and GW were number 1 in the country.
Answer the question did you go to Gibson House?
@Bush: All that counts is April 16th 2016
1st: Glenwood 56 House 5
U16A: Glenwood 80 House 0
U15A: Glenwood 43 House 5
U14A: Glenwood 21 House 0
……
@Buddy: Any time, thanks for that GW 1st team jersey. It belonged to Hopper you said, I’m so privileged. Pity it’s one from the 90’s when GW was shit. Goes Lekker in my pub. Champion stuff
@Grasshopper: would love to get a copy from you
@Grasshopper: So you never went to Gibson House.
World Champs and got hammered by a few average schools. If you think of what GW are willing to sacrifice to try and be tops, in my eyes I would consider it a failure.
@Bush: Thx for the braai yesterday.The two of you ain’t as K@k as what Playa said you are
@Buddy: I have all of Glenwood’s results vs KZN opposition since the beginning, it appeals to the researcher in me.
@Bush: huh, what you on about. Played 18, won 15, lost 3 isn’t a bad year. My mom passed away when I was 11, took her own life.
@Grasshopper: Where do you get all this info? Can I also get a copy of that book with all the history.
If not please will you be The Brain and together we will rule the world….
Regards
PINKY
@Grasshopper: Here we go, I would consider this year 2016 to be up there as well.
Boerboel is correct, you have a heavy problem. It goes way beyond been just an Old Boy. I bet you weren’t even a boarder at GW, went home everyday to suck on mommies mammary gland.
@Playa: Yep, Dolphins would be after school but maybe like for rugby they signed him early and wanted him nearby for training. My point is people don’t know all the factors and forces involved, they assume. We all know what happens when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. Selborne need to move on like Glenwood have with all the boys we have lost to other schools in the past few years. Bossr didn’t even play rugby this year and played very little cricket as off on tours etc.
@Bush: 1993 & 1996 were our worst years in our history, thanks for the reminder. We have played Voories 13 times, won 11 and lost 2. Biggest win was in 1999 53-8 and biggest loss was the first game in 1993. This year our 2nd’s ran over their firsts. Oh yes, Glenwood isn’t a great school it’s a good school trying to get better.
@Grasshopper: In 1993 Vorries chowed your great school 25-8. Oh Ja that game you had no players you used your hockey team. Oh Ja again those years GW didn’t play rugby they played soccer. Oh Ja those were kuk times for GW.
@Grasshopper: Why would that matter? And besides, a Dolphins contract would only be effective after school anyway. The kid go a Glenwood contract, and that’s that. Let’s not try and smooth out a gravel road. Sure, Glenwood is not all at fault here because the kid’s dad is a bidder himself.
@Grasshopper: now thats the type of schoolboy ruggas that I want to see.
Sorry in 1995 we drew with House in an epic game, monstrous House pack vs tiny Glenwood one….Glenwood fought like mongrels…
@Greenman: First played in 1915. Stats are heavily in their favour;
Played: 97
Hilton won: 53
Glenwood won: 39
Drawn: 5
Glenwood biggest loss (1915) – 0-46
Glenwood biggest win (2014) – 67-7
Interesting stat in the 90’s, the post matric years we played House 10 times and lost every game and played Hilton 10 times winning only 3. Did Glenwood withdraw from the fixtures, no. We took it on the chin and moved on…
I think we need an indaba where all school masters go and sit down and sort out there shit! for the kids sake. Egos left at home
@Grasshopper: How long have we played Hilton? overnight Boom gone! Only death is a certainty!
@GreenBlooded: College have never run away from tough fixtures and they know Glenwood is a tough one. This year it was only 1 point in it. College would never drop the Glenwood fixture, over 150 games played against each other so far, could be the most derby fixtures ever in KZN because the others have mostly played once per annum.
@Bwana:
You seem to be one of the College folk who I’ve grown to dislike in my 4 years as a College parent. In the minority I’m glad to say. One of those who seem to think that part of being a College supporter means an automatic dislike of anything Glenwood and celebrating anything that can be remotely construed as being ‘bad Glenwood press’.
Were you one of the okes back slapping and high fiving on the stands at PBHS when Glenwood was taking a pounding across the road at Affies? I’m thinking yes.
Hypothetically – will you be glad if College dropped the Glenwood fixture? More back slapping and high fiving with your buddies? Would be a great pity cos the best College matches I’ve seen in the last few years have all been against Glenwood – College boys (unlike some of the cynical supporters) seem to look forward to the fixture and give an extra 25% for it.
@Playa:
Ou Bush strikes me as one of those okes who’s favourite salad is a T-bone steak!
Just to lift your spirits so that you can easy your grips on the others necks. So, my understanding of the writing on the wall,was correct. Is Jake just a slow reader? http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/white-writing-on-the-wall-for-sa-rugby-20160909
@Buddy: With all the new types of fuels only a double brandy and coke gets her going???????
@Playa: I wonder if they ever asked Bossr what he wanted? Maybe Dolphins offered him a cricket contract?
@Bush: Trying to get the old bugger to commit on the long hall as it seems to me that we are travelling far and beyond next year but he keeps on giving me K@k as we approach Currys Post Rd.
Must be that he only knows the road to House and never crossed that bridge before……??
@Bwana: well a good old friend of mine was murdered in Westville last week, I prefer some rain than being gunned down in my own home ?
@Playa: Please be my Evil twin.?
@Playa: Whahahahaha nearly dropped my glass of OBS. If you could see me in the real world you will notice salad is on the bottom of my food list. I could give the bronze spoon a go???????????
@Buddy: Fires are on the go, getting the nest nice and warm. Having a warm up of OBS which will help with my carbo loading for the Park Run tomorrow morning in PMB.
Look after that Merc, it sounds like a classic.
@Bush: You need some greens to go with a braai…Buddy can bring an Avo salad, and some bronze spoons just to give you private school spoilt brats a taste of life as a tappet without a sliver spoon
@Bush: Hahaha ,Beautiful ?
@Buddy: There is only one oke that’s invited to braai at my place. The two of us can chuck bones over the fence for you.
@Greenman: Come down to CT for a few weeks..Here are plenty of schools to play..HJS, Paul Roos, Boland, Gim, Rbosch, SACS, Bishops and Wynberg will all give you enough teams…You just might have to relocate the school!
@McCulleys Workshop: Are you ok boet?Just clapped the crap out of a tow truck driver that wanted to violate my 230C Merc on the N3 close to the Hiton off ramp on my way to Mr Bush for a braai.I was just on the phone with Mrs Buddy and did not require your assistance mate, and no meens no !!!Something not frech with you oaks ooo and wash your truck its dirty ……
@McCulleys Workshop: Are you ok boet? ……
I still cant believe the Affies or Mr Edwards decision concerning the Glenwood Derby. The why is also nowhere to be found. Not even their own bloggers know.
Ok! we going to play festivals even if they on Koekenaap. Get the voyager miles, book flights, cars, ossewaens. Here we come!
@McCulleys Workshop: Pity I must say. My boys all there next year. I honestly couldn’t wait for next year but what now. To big to play with themselves
@star: Star, there is not a chance you would ever team up with up with Tappets. Stop messing with them…
@Grasshopper: Its not completely transparent/clear why Hilton elected not to play GW, nor is it clear why NW dropped the fixture. We are assuming that House have only dropped it for this year due to a crowded fixture list and that it hasn’t been canned entirely. I agree that it’s a pity. Have you got Glenwoods fixture list for next year? It’s a pity they seem to have a disjointed season two years in a row, doesn’t help building momentum nor keeping the guys dialed in for the big games
I think we should organize a golf match up between the House twins and the evil Villain/GW axis. Our handicap of having to borrow clubs as we come from govt. schools will be offset by the fact that the House boys will have to play with silver spoons in their mouths. The match referee will be the ” Spear” who fresh from his engagement with a tiger shark will be on point. The prize is still to be determined but will be lot bigger than a nights stay at the Luipaardsvlei Hotel.
@Grasshopper: You may as well take Selborne off that wish list mate.
@Bwana: Whahaha absolutely.
@Bush: Still more pleasant than the UK
@Bwana: It was kuk this morning, have migrated to Hilton for the weekend. Not much of a surf here, just bloody cold. 28C in Toti 16C in Hilton.
@Bush: What is the surf like in Toti today?
@Bwana: My other evil twin
@Grasshopper: Hopper I can tell you House didn’t just trash that fixture. They couldn’t fit it into the schedule. I was upset that the fixture was missing. It’s my kids last year, home ground advantage and after a few sherries anything is bound to happen.
Who wants to meet GW 1st game up. Just coming out of cricket season and GW are a few games ahead. There are 15 good fixtures in KZN alone, with maybe a 3 hour drive max.
@Grasshopper: What are those plans? To travel even further? Play KZN Development 4 times a season? Surely it is Glenwood’s loss not the other way round as you say. No matter how you try to spin it the fact is no one wants to play Glenwood. You seem to portray the villains as Hilton and House. Funny how neither Westville nor College have an issue with playing against the Private Schools.
@Bush: I find it mind boggling that Hilton can just throw away a 90 year long derby so easily, people are not bigger than the schools and personality/policy differences should not affect fixtures like this. Same goes with House. I mean Liverpool don’t just stop playing Man U because of differences, that is what makes derbies so good. The emotions involved.
@Bwana: I’m sure the Glenwood powers that be have a plan. The privates can stick to pumping St Stithians, St Johns, St Charles etc every year
@Grasshopper: You right it is our loss and yours too. Its just the way it worked not playing GW. It was the same about 7-8 years ago. Local Schools should play local first-LOCAL IS LEKKER
Regarding the travel, why cut out a 600km travel and then choose a travel destination of 1200km.
@Buddy-I wouldn’t tow Hopper truck if it was stuck up your ___ ______!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Grasshopper: No such luck. No double header between College and Glenwood. Below is the College Fixture List:
25 MARCH – SATURDAY
Grey College
Home
31 MARCH – 4 APRIL
Jeppe U 16 Rugby Festival
Away
31 MARCH – 4 APRIL
St Stithians U18 Festival
Away
2 APRIL – 6 APRIL
Francois Swart U15-Affies
Away
TERM TWO OPPONENTS
22 APRIL – SATURDAY
PBHS
Away
27 APRIL – THURSDAY
Northwood / Twin with Port Natal
Away
29 APRIL – SATURDAY
6 MAY – SATURDAY
King Edward VII
Away
13 MAY – SATURDAY
Michaelhouse – Reunion
Home
20 MAY – SATURDAY
DHS / Twin with Voortrekker
Home
27 MAY – SATURDAY
Hilton
Away
3 JUNE – SATURDAY
Free Weekend for College
10 JUNE – SATURDAY
Westville
Home
17 JUNE – SATURDAY
Kearsney
Away
24 JUNE – SATURDAY
Glenwood
Away
26 JULY – WEDNESDAY
Perins – U15/16
Home
TERM THREE OPPONENTS
29 JULY – SATURDAY
Affies
Away
5 AUGUST – SATURDAY
PBHS
Home
12 AUGUST – SATURDAY
King Edward VII
Home
19 AUGUST – SATURDAY
Skonk Nicholson’s 7’s
Home
@Bwana: College & Ville twice maybe, even DHS twice like traditionally. Not sure why these fixtures are being cut especially since Kershaw has gone. Northwood, Hilton & House are fooling themselves by not playing a traditional rival who is likely to be strong again. It’s their loss really…
@star: Well they should start calling themselves The Nomads. Either their season is going to be short or they will resemble a Circus due to the constant travelling.
@Bwana: Does that now formally disqualify them from the Ballies at Ballito award.
@ Grassy- Remember that Selborne will also not play with you. How is it currently on the ground with the Brexit issue? One of my many cousins has just organised an anti petition of 4.1 million signatures which was debated in the House recently. He was present and was not impressed with the usual suspects.
@Grasshopper: Rumour has it Glenwood only have 4 KZN fixtures next year: College, Westville, DHS and Kearsney.
@Grasshopper: Now you made k@k.You forgot about MH.The Evil Twins will tow your Truck
I actually think the Affies decision was the right one, these 600km tours take their toll, especially financially. For Glenwood they are only really competitive at A&B team & 1st to 4th’s, the rest get pommeled. Whilst there may be some cultural alignment with history, ethos and a group of Afrikaans boys at Glenwood, the fact is Glenwood is diverse and maybe there were cultural clashes hosting kids. I would far prefer Glenwood playing Northwood and Hilton again & maybe a KES or Jeppe to fill the tour. Monnas again I think is not a great fit & Grey Bloem too strong. Framesby only God knows who set that weird fixture up, rather get Grey PE or Selborne. Glenwood can test their A teams out at festivals so play AFFIES there. A double header vs College and Ville is a must…
@BOG: Your support of that fine institution is highly commendable.What confuses me is how then is the current captain of the Cheetahs a WOB and the half back pairing the dysfunctional Westville/GW axis.
With Robert Dup(Kearsney) at province, Lambie and Cronje from House , and Ungerer from College, the Last Outpost is contributing significantly to the country’s pivotal positions. Let us also not forget the Westville/Hilton hybrid that was Cameron Wight. I am sure we will hear more of him in the future. 
@McCulleys Workshop: Isn’t that what they call a “work bench” in posh language?
@Bush: Hahaha – you have a mantle piece!
@BOG: Whahaha I nearly rolled my bakkie. Spear is a Social Climber?????????
@Cappie: had the same experience and enjoyed all the matches
@Grasshopper: You must leave Bush alone. Now that you have taken the chicken run, he is my new accomplice , in keeping the toffee noses on their toes. If he is buddies with Speartackle, he cannot be too posh or selective with the company he keeps. Or perhaps old Spear is just what is called, a social climber?
@Cappie: Its a big pity. I was at a Affies vs GW game a few years ago. A fight broke out in the U14A game. There were no actions taken against the boys involved. I got up out of my seat as I was quite disgusted about the actions of the boys and the coaches. I went to watch a game on the field behind the main stands. Another fight broke out, the difference here. The Affies coach subbed the player involved. After the game I went up to the coach and had a chat to him about his actions. His response was Affies don’t play rugby like that.
So if it’s due to various behavioral issues, I’m sure those could be ironed out.
@Bush: To be honnest, I have no idea. The atmosphere and rivalries where I was sitting between the teams that were playing at that particular moment were always positive and in a good spirit. So I really don’t know.
I am flabbergasted about it.
@Buddy: No, no. Don’t be confused. That Silver Spoon stuff was said in humour. Hopper loves to point out that the Private Schools are toffee nosed brats.
@Grasshopper: Has to be merit, he has come through the ranks. SA u19, Dolphins, SA “A” champion stuff.
@Playa: No he was a brilliant player. Fell Foul of the small school vs the big schools for selection. Should have played Craven Week in his Matric year.
There was a u20 coach at Natal in the late 90’s put him on par with John Smit.
He had the skill to understand kids and love them.
@Playa: Merit but maybe fast tracked a little due to lack of proper allrounders…
@Playa: watch out Playa. He comes from the dark side with a sidekick
@Grasshopper: Reckon he’s there on merit, or just another quota pawn? You tend to question these ‘types of selections’ in most cases
@Bush: Come on Mr Bush. @29: you said that the spoon was present at birth.
Now I am lekker deurmekaar boet
@Bush: Is that a ‘nice’ way of saying he was not a good player?
I can certainly vouch for his coaching and teaching. He’s a man I still hold in high regard to this day
@Grasshopper: Told you I wasn’t born with a silver spoon. I have a black fan belt in street fighting and a Tappet trophy on my mantle piece.
@Buddy: Whahaha
@Bush: There is that private school education coming out…
@Bush: Wait for the Evil Twin now………His comments to follow
@Grasshopper: Ja Hopper and you have a GSRD(Glenwood Sucking Rooster Disorder) if you don’t get it a Rooster is a Cock.
@Cappie: It is a pity. As an outsider it was lekker to see different provincial school teams come to KZN. GW 1st and all A teams are very competitive. Their lower teams not the greatest and it gets worse when they join the open ranks.
@star: Who cares about Bush, he has Obsessive Glenwood Hatred Disorder (OGHD) which is a cross he needs to bare…
@Cappie: Please give us the facts on why your fine institution doesn’t want to play GW any more?
@Bush: With all the best facilities, coaches, fields etc one would think House, Hilton, Kearsney, Bishops, St Johns etc could produce more than 4 in 20 years…..ok Kyle Abbott…
@Grasshopper: Remember to hold your glasses when you roll your polony. Who gives a toss, Shaun was at House for half a term, then ran off to mommy.
It is a pitty that the tradition between Affies and Glenwood should stop. If I look at the scores of all the teams over the last four years in Affies rugby blog it was more or less a one sided affair accept for the first and A teams.
Just for the stats, Affies seconds were unbeaten this year.
@Bush: Funnily enough, Shaun Pollock spoke at the GW Old Boys dinner about 2 years ago and his closing statement was since readmission, private schools have only contributed 4 new Proteas and the rest were gov schools…..amazing really…
@BOG: If it was due to “recruitment” Grey would be untouchable.
@Grasshopper: Hopper will you please be my Evil Twin
@star: My cousin went to Westville and hated it, he was B class and B team for everything and said they never gave a damn about his group, this was late 90’s though.
@Buddy: I think Grassy wants to be your evil twin. He is possessive of anything green.
@ Grassy- why do you say ” thank goodness” that you didn’t go to Westville. Might have helped with your general appeal and even Bush would be your ” Buddy” .
@Bush: Anyway, the point I tried to make, and not understood by some, is this. Boys have been migrating to Grey for 160 yrs, from all over the country- the boarding establishments have never, not been full. But when they do so in recent times, it is said that they are “recruiting” (on large scale). What then, caused this change- from spontaneous migration to recruits?
@Grasshopper: Truck, I was just waiting for that Hopper. Took you so long. Must be the time zone.
Glenwood’s latest Protea; http://www.sacricketmag.com/25540-2/
Not just a rugga school…
@Bush: Hehehe, Just when when your Evil Twin refs his Tow Truck
@Buddy: You starting to worry me now, stalking me. I am armed and dangerous????????
@Buddy: Thanks for the accolade, but no. Coaching and have played the game are two totally different things. Certain people are made for coaching, much like teaching. It is a great skill, which I don’t have. My brother was a brilliant coach and teacher. Playa will vouch for me.
@Bush: Congrats Boet ! I’m sure that is very exiting for you guys. Just hope that when you get those grade 10 players that we can arrange a good old fashion derby.
On the nurture point I must agree with you and hope for that to change
Didn’t you ever consider to make yourself available to House as according to me your expertise would bring much value as you are legend of the game.
Did my Homework
@Bush: I disagree, Hutchison and Jordan coached the Under14 E,F & G for over a decade, both are very experienced coaches and helped develop those kids. I think a few of their sides went unbeaten. Glenwood just need to focus on that, so have experienced coaches at the lower level.
@BOG: You 100% correct. I don’t think the same goes for schools here in KZN.
@Grasshopper: Nice to have you back Hopper.
The schools that are solely boarding establishments do exactly that. They develop what they have. As it’s all they got. When they have space or as they call it beds open. Only then will a child get into the school. I don’t believe GW operate to their full potential on the rugby field and that is evident from the results of the lower teams. GW don’t and will never nurture what they have in front of them. This never happened for the 6 years that my kids were at the school. Maybe with a new headmaster things will change.
@Buddy- House is expanding. They are building 2 new Houses starting I think in 2017. So maybe they will fill them with grade 10 rugby players or Post Matrics
@Buddy: Actually it doesn’t..His is definitely not a case of recruiting….
@Grasshopper: On Point Mr Hopper !!!
Like the water you drink
@star: Bwahahaha. Sure you already done it Boet
Dam just got excited about my new Twin. Will however stand tall
@Buddy: Yep and I think many schools hide their recruitment behind ‘closed bursaries’, angel silent investors paying kids fees etc so no one will ever know the true extent to the buying. It’s been going on since schools started. People underestimate the power of Old Boys, when they want something as a group they usually get it, either via the Headmaster, Old Boys Committee or Parents Committee. Old Boys like winning teams, that is only obvious. BUT they must be legit and no buying should be done post grade 8. Stick with and nurture what you have from grade 8. There will be departures and additions along the way though through natural movement or boys being unhappy at some schools. I myself almost went to Westville when we moved to Westville, thank goodness I didn’t ;-).
@Buddy: The House twins are warning me from going to the dark side of the force. I will certainly do my homework though.
@BoishaaiPa: Congrats with Abner.Sure that puts a smile on your face !!!
@Grasshopper: Mr Hopper remember that a 12 spanner can’t torque a 10 bold.The correct tool for the job !!!
Schools like MH will follow as they want to compete and parents like the Evil Twins will get involved with their governing bodies and insists that they appoint a recruiter- coach. With the facilities that they got it only make sens
Just a matter of time…….
Ignorance is bliss…If you don’t know about it, it doesn’t mean it did not happen or is happening…everyone recruits!..fullstop,
@Buddy: They also recruited a few kids in the Eastern Cape but don’t get trawled through the coals like Glenwood. The purchasing and recruitment past grade 8 is blown completely out of proportion, there was a year or 2 about 3 years ago when a few came in but that has stopped now. Hilton recruited 2 Glenwood Under 16 captains, not an eyelid batted, Northwood buy half a team, nothing said…..funny how it’s only Glenwood who do this….all other schools are innocent.
@star: Hehehe, excepted Boet !!!!
Star is it true that The Ville recruited the services of a very good coach and recruiter from Pretoria to start in Jan 2017?
If true the rules of engagement will change and within the next 4 year Westville will be a force to be recon with……
@Buddy: How about an evil twin from another more classy mother?
@McCulleys Workshop: @Bush .Good morning Evil Twins.
Guys suppose you start to look after your tools then as the quality tools are very expensive .Kids and their Perants wants to compete at the highest level and if you replaced a tool you need to look after your tools.Sure that is a principle that any workshop would follow as a SOP
I also need a Evil Twin asap.Please assist
@Buddy: So a person must just keep buying the tools until he gets the right one for the job. GW doesn’t have to develop according to their promise, if they don’t have the correct tool (kid) for the job. Just keep buying, poaching or whatever it is they do. Until they get it right. In doing so you are not to piss your neighbors off, as a good amount of these tools (kids) are stolen from your neighbors. So the neighbors replace the stolen tools, for them to be taken once again.
Teaching seems to be a thing of the past!!!! As we can see from the burning down of the Varisties.
@Buddy: Buddy, contrary to your perceptions, most bloggers are parents or old boys of the particular schools they support and I would hazard a guess that very few bloggers, if any, have the ability to change the way the school they support, recruits, establishes coaching structures, their ethos and values or to determine who the school elects to play against nor the number of games in a season. Ask Hopper whose listened to him. Most comments are informative, personal views or banter, this isn’t the “change the world society” as much as we may feel passionately about any given topic. I’m sure no rugby authority takes these comments particularly seriously.
@BOG: That’s what school is about. Well written !!
The question still remains what do you do when you want to compete but you just ain’t got the tools to do the job.
Do you blog about it and refuse to play your neighbors or change the way you think and get the tools for the job?
@Bush: If I say anything about this, and not that I do know anything, I can just imagine the response. But what I will say, and I have said it many times, that kids have migrated to Grey from all over the country and even from beyond. I myself was a “migrant” from the coast and this has been ongoing for more than a century. Goodness, their hostels are historical monuments. Until recently, the hostels accommodated about 1/3 of the boys, but their capacity was increased to house about 40%.What I do know, is that the kids who are there, are kids who WANT to be there- not because they were lured there by money or bursaries. And by that Im not saying that there is not the odd needy child who is not given financial assistance, but I would not know.Its most unlikely that a boy playing rugby for the 4th team, will be enticed to move elsewhere, even with the promise of playing first team. The honour of just being AT GCB, is too great. And I dont mean this arrogantly- Im just telling you how the average Grey boy will think about it. In a nut shell, money and bursaries will attract the odd child, but that is NEVER going to ensure LOYALTY, the loyalty which I know, exists at Grey and continues to the grave. That is something for which there is no deliberate plan or “recipe”. It comes with time and develops over decades, but exactly how it begins, is a mystery.
@odie15: come on Odie do you really dislike me that much? It’s all banter in the end…
@Grasshopper: fortunately its from afar….
Interesting reading all this kak from afar, another perspective indeed…
@Greenman: You took the words out of my mouth and I don’t even know you.Well said mate !!!
Lets get the classic classes back and fill up the stands.
@Greenman: Its a pity House aren’t playing Glenwood next year. In 2016 I’m not sure prescription will work.
@McCulleys Workshop: Sounds good to me. Isnt it more than just rugby i.e interaction, respect, forming, proud etc. If you just sit on your own ass throwing tantrums because you cant get what you want , how would you ever progress.
How many recreational events has died a slow death and gone forever from schools?
@Buddy: They go to Grey as they know Grey is the best and they want to be the best themselves. In u14 Grey can put together 3 teams with u13 Craven Week Players. Athletics needs to come back to KZN Schools.
Chatting to a few Grey parents, BOG can add his comment here. Grey don’t give out busaries or have to buy boys. I can’t comment on Paarl Boys or Paarl Gim. I would say if you have a son that is outstanding at sport or if he academic you would want him in a school with those standards.
@Greenman: So what you are suggesting is that the DOE should put out an edict that if you want to play rugby, you need to play against all opposition that elect to play against you, and if you don’t play against them, you can’t play rugby at all? Is that your suggestion?
@Bush: now this is a discussion.My first point would be to bring athletics back into our High schools.I am a firm believer that a good athlete makes a brilliant rugby player.
Our family hosted boys from Grey this year and they all played provincial rugby at U13 for different unions.So they just pitched up at Grey……?
My point is that Grey must be doing something right as they keep on producing class rugby athletes the same for Monnas ,Garsfontein and Menlo thats new to the party not mentioning the schools from the Cape
Now what is wrong with our KZN Schools??
I say when you identified your shortcomings make a plan and fill it.Once filled make sure you look after it and make sure you promote his talent the best you can.His name will be in your school hall forever!
You can’t blog the problem away…
Ask Bush
@Greenman: Why who don’t want to play you?
@Bush: It really would be great to know why they don’t want to play us anymore. We just a school with kids that loves rugby. We do not operate outside of the law and recruiting is done by all schools. Maybe SARU/ DOE should provide direction. Play or you don’t play! Harsh but at this rate we will have to cross country.
@Buddy: Suppose you right, but is rugby the only thing in a school boys life? Hopper will now send a trillion other things that GW are pro at. Maybe the neighbors need to understand what makes Grey, Affies and Monnas so good overall. I know I haven’t mentioned the Paarl schools but we done really see them here in KZN.
@Bush: Not sure boet.Suppose I must dust of my Voyager Miles card and service the old Merc.
Sure the hopper or umbiloburger can help us with that info.Im just a avo waiting for the aromat
Very sad as I would expect our neighbors to adapt and at least try to keep up with the Jones.Rumour has it that Westville contracted the service of a very good coach anb scout from one of the Pta School.If correct well done !!!
Only time will tell
@Buddy: Then you will have to go with Spear, if you lucky he may even catch a Tiger Shark for you barehanded. Any way back to the rugby side of things.
Are GW training hard at the moment for next year? If so, who are they going to play in KZN? As it seems like nobody in KZN wants to play them. GW are going to clock up the miles
@Bush: Hehehe no just can like to know that place and wanted to see if I can break the Evil spell you are under.
@Buddy: Speartackle rules the Thirsty Whale, I’m too scared to go there. I don’t even go out for a movie in Toti. Buddy are you from the Toti Area? Seems like the whole Blog has moved to Toti. Tow Truck Drivers Hide Out
@Bush: Bhahaha and you eating a avocado with that Silver spoon.
We must meet for a cold one at the Thirsty Whale just don’t tell your Evil Twin
@Buddy: Ja with his tappet on his lap???????????.
@Bush: at least when you roll that bakkie your EVIL twin will rescue you with his tow truck.Don’t blog and drive boet.
@McCulleys Workshop: Evil Twin
whahahahahahahahahaha, nearly rolled my bakkie again
@McCulleys Workshop: enlighten us Mr Evil Twin
@McCulleys Workshop: Who??? JJ is still at school????
@Bush: You don’t need either of us to comment, they have someone way more competent to sort out KZN rugby.
@Buddy: Whahahahaha
@Bush: dam the secret is out ……
@Buddy: There’s been no name calling. Buddy I have a hollow space between my ears. But I could always try. Maybe my twin will talk on my behalf.
@Bush: Once again boet, Like you said let’s keep it our secret. Its easy to make a mickey of someone and call them names, I think we need to start respecting our neighbors and make sure that we rather give them a proper game to prove they are the best. Hands down Monnas,Grey and Affies teached Glenwood a couple of lessons and the best is the preparation to make sure that we can up our game next year.
I would much rather like to pick your brain on how to fix the selection process and KZN Rugby in general.
@Playa: And I have other secrets, but I will keep quite otherwise Beet will give me a red card.
@Bush: The manne from die Kaap would be saying “OH JIHNNE!!!”.
@Buddy: Jis Buddy and I’m thinking the whole time it was about my older son getting expelled from the Boarding Establishment for his involvement in the use of steroids. We challenged the manner in which he was expelled legally and he was exonerated for his crime. Or the fact that my younger son who at that time was in Grade 8 and had arranged a course of drugs through a 2nd Team player. All he had to was deliver the cash, which thankfully he backed out of doing otherwise I would have had two juice monkeys to deal with. Meanwhile, it’s all because I’m a secret GW supporter. Watching from the Ivan Clark I was supporting Grey, but we will keep that our secret. Lekker.
@Playa: Got a cold one ready for you Bud
@Buddy: I’ll hit you up when next I’m in KZN.
@Bush: Don’t worry boet.Thx for silently supporting GW.
Be careful of your twin as he is about to back you up.
Ok let’s get down to grassroots level. How do we fix KZN schoolboy Rugby? I know its Glenwood fault but lets for a moment forget about the Avocado and look at the Silver spoon for a solution…..
@Buddy: Yes, I was at the Ivan Clark with buddies, don’t know if they were Old Boys. I don’t think so. There is so much kuk on me, nothing is secret. All you have to do is Google. Please don’t spread rumours???????????
@McCulleys Workshop: must take same sort of organized order.Well done
@BOG: Bog totally agree.
Moet se dat julle 1stes sonder al daai SA spelers nog steeds n moerse span was.Die 2des het hulle goed van hulle taak gekwyt
Sien uit na volgende jaar se games teen julle
@Bush: Bahahaha, No boet just been part of the Avocado family for a long time and remember when Mr Bush was Mr Glenwood till……Did see you at the Grey match up with the old boys but like they say…..
Your secret is stiil safe with me
@Playa: We need to meet for a couple of beers mate.
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahahahaha Buddy belongs to the CSI team. He will find you.
@BOG: And your school boy rugby team is better than GW’s ?????????????
” Oh Lord, its hard to be humble—“
@Buddy: I what’s app my one phone, run to the other room, and respond to myself.
@Playa: Buddy’s profile use to be Umbiloburger. I have no personality Playa, BOG is personality personified
@Buddy: The suspense is killing me Buddy…I need some dirt on ou Bush, he’s got a personality only matched by Oom BOG.
@Buddy: Talk Buddy don’t vomit. You won’t know the networking one does with connections from the greatest school in KZN.
Very impressive the way you run that 2 profiles or do the 2 of you Whatsapp each other for backup.
Your secret still safe with me
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahaha of course how else would be able to operate my tow truck
@Bush: Do you have a tappet?
@Buddy: Buddy I don’t keep secrets, I went to Ixopo High before doing a Post Matric at the greatest school in KZN. I managed to rescue my son from disaster and he is now also at the greatest school in KZN. If you had half a brain Buddy you would know I don’t own a silver spoon.
@Bush: Don’t worry boet,your secret is safe with me.Remember you need that silver spoon to eat that avocado….
@Buddy: Don’t just leave it. Say what you want to say. We keen to see what you have to say??????????????????????
@BOG: Bahahaha, the sad part of it is that the one born with the silver spoon was part of the avocado family for many a year but let leave it there….
@Buddy: They have been tutored by Andre T in the art. At one stage, he managed about a dozen profiles out of his Krugersdorp dungeon. Two, would be a walk in the park. But I dont think they are one. The one is quite intelligent, and I shall leave it to you to decide which one
@McCulleys Workshop: No, Im waiting for a generous donor to make up the financial shortfall, as a result of the collapsing ZAR. But I need it in a strong currency, not Rands. I need to hurry because they say that SA is running out of money, even other peoples money.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/economy/sa-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/
@Buddy: You’re think they’re bad???You should experience the Speartackle/AndreT split personality combo. A solid pair of tappets is needed to stomach that I tell ya
@Playa: Agree,Professional schoolboy rugby is here to stay and adapt or die a slow death
@BOG: These guys need to do some house keeping and fix what’s broken on there on doorstep first
Sad but true
@Bush: @ McCulleys Workshop ,Must be difficult to switch between to profiles just to get noticed…..Almost like speaking to yourself
@BOG: No just the parents and supporters are under the spell!
Have you left yet Bog, we are closer to 90:1
Taking all that has been said, into account,it would seem that KZN SBR is now under the direct control of the SARU.
@Bush: Depends if you are from Woodie
@McCulleys Workshop: So a Tappet is an avo ??????.
@Playa: You mean like “grow a pair – of Tappets”
@Buddy: Eish these teams that stop playing Glenwood because they are getting whipped by then really need to get over themselves…really now
@McCulleys Workshop: I think it’s a member of the avocado family. It produces avo’s all year round. I’m not sure, I was born with a silver spoon.
@Bush: What’s a tappet Bush?
@Buddy: There is quiet a big jump from U16 to 1st team unless you are built like JJ.
Ja it’s not good when the Acting Headmaster has to come onto the field to tell Jonker to ref properly. Doesn’t go down well with the opposition parents, especially if they are from Blue Bull country.
So for next 3 years Affies won’t play GW. What were the scores overall against Affies. I suppose just the A team results counted. Everything else didn’t matter. Hopper I’m sure will supply those figures.
@Bush: If Boerboel can type such K@k I suppose we can only form that conclusion. For what I saw this year Affies was not able bring a matching game towards the U14 nor U16 and lost those games badly and that could also be the reason why they did not enjoy the gw expierence on and of the field. Affies coaches was more on the field with the U14 A game than their kids speaking to the ref and the Headmaster of Glenwood had to request them to leave the field and stop interfering.Or could it be that Mr Jonker Assisted with the U16 game and they lost due to that……
Suppose it is easier to call the Kids Tappets
My 5 cent
@McCulleys Workshop: Wgahahahahahshs I nearly rolled my bakkie again. The last time that happened to me was when I was watching Spear wrestle that Tiger Shark like a mountain goat.
@Bush: Because Tom is coming back for his final final post matric.
@Buddy: Why would you think that???
@boerboel: The only reason is that they know they will not be able to beat Glenwood next year. What a shame…..
@Playa: Affies did not enjoy the gw expierence-on and off the field-
@Grasshopper: I reckon it’s a bit harsh to say they feel off the cart. They lost to very strong Monnas, Affies and Grey sides. No shame in that. Maybe expectations were high, and some may say unrealistically so.
Any factual reasons out yet for why the Affies fixture has been scrapped?
@boerboel: Be very careful as the boys of Sunnyside would prefer to go to a world renowned academic/cultural institution like Affies. Think the Nigerian boys would love to put on a Wit Bul jersey. Mr Lesufi would love this…….
@boerboel: Could it be that your Affie parents just don’t like to host the players of colour or that your Waterkloof kid don’t like a good Bunny chow wen Glenwood is hosting.
I think that the Ballies were pissed by the time they tallied up the points and had double vision when counting KCs season !! Glenwood are the deserved winners of this Banter cup … KC and College tie 2nd as both lost 2 local games …. SBR in KZN is still about the banter and bragging rights for the next 12 months !! As @Grasshopper: says at least the Wood beat there traditional rivals so to are us KCOBs satisfied in beating Ville , College , MHS and HILTON on founders day !! That’s all the satisfaction needed !!
There is a lot of animosity towards Glenwood – some of it may be valid, but a lot of it is over the top.
Re this KZN award: Glenwood beat all their KZN opposition, while Kearsney lost to Glenwood by 14 points and to Hilton ( I’m told that the 1st game counts), so can someone please explain to me how Kearsney could be the winner in KZN.
Also, as far as I’m aware, the only top tier KZN school that Glenwood did not play was Hilton, but that should be automatic points for Glenwood as Hilton pulled out of the fixture. If you don’t front up then you should lose the points.
I do confess to having a small soft spot for Glenwood, as they did SA proud by winning SANIX and beating the Kiwi school champions comfortably during same. Anyone who belittles said achievement is both dishonest and unpatriotic in my opinion. Remember that the great HJS failed twice to win SANIX in the past five years!
@Playa: Maybe Kearsney did deserve it as they got progressively better as the season went on winning by quite big margins. Glenwood started well, won SANIX and then fell off the cart. I reckon if the Kearsney game had been played towards the end of the season Kearsney might have won the game. To many ifs, buts and maybe’s. I don’t like the rankings or awards, knowing we beat College, Ville and DHS is all an OB wants…
@Gungets Tuft: Hahahahahaha
I’ll bet if you find one of the original ballies it was just an excuse for a piss up and shisa nyama. Then someone started taking it seriously and now we blog about it.
I’m only willing to discuss this over a beer … or two … or
@Rugger fan: @Vleis: @McCulleys Workshop: I myself am no huge fan of rankings. Further, Glenwood beat Kearsney so there can be no doubt that they were the better team.
But as I understand, this is a KZN only award, so Glenwood’s outside scalps do not count. Be that as it may, I reckon the flaw here is not specifying the minimum number of games a team has to play in order to be in contention – the ballies should have thought of that before tucking into those Hansas. I think BHP has a yardstick of 5 SA games played before a team can be considered in his ranking. But I guess none would have guessed the day would come when a team plays more games outside their province than they do locally. You can’t say Glenwood don’t match GCB in anything
I personally would have given it to Kearsney, as controversial as that may be…because in my view, (D) is the worst result for Glenwood and perceptions people already have about them. I hope, a lesson can be learned, and this award be scrapped. It really serves no purpose.
This is an inherent problem with rankings and awards – when there is a clear winner (like Michaelhouse being unbeaten in KZN last year – and even then Glenwood could have felt aggreived given some of their national scalps) it’s easier – but when no one is a clear winner – then the award is a little meaningless.
Why add an award – for what good reason? If you do want one – then make sure the criteria are set up front and can be clearly gauged. Like the SBR ranking on this site – pretty clear how the rankings are calculated (love them or hate them) – but no argument – unless you tweak the system.
So an award over a few beers by a few ballies – has about as much relevance and weight as the points on “Who’s Line is it Anyway?” we may as well give Port Shepstone High the accolade – as they had a pretty good win ration too
You cannot compare the class of a world renowned academic/cultural institution like Affies to the more practical/technically orientated nature of gw. It is….. Just different
@boerboel: haha! That is like Rashaad Staggie calling Ashwin Willemse rof! Classic!
He used the words “tappets”
Spoke to a affies parent this week. He told me they are cancelnig the gw matches because of the unsavoury behavior of the gw kids and parents on and off the field.
Well done Kearsney. Well deserved. Redneck schools should be relegated to where they belong
If there is no round robin then no award….
I have no dog in this fight, but any system that produces Kearsney as the winner over Glenwood has significant credibility issues.
@GreenBlooded: I agree with you. It serves no purpose.
Stop having awards like this.
Stop having ranking systems.
Glenwood without a doubt