Back to the grindstone.
| DAY | DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | EVENT | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Glenwood | 12 | 29 | Grey College | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Maritzburg College | 37 | 10 | Affies | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Selborne | 18 | 10 | Hudson Park | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Daniel Pienaar | 29 | 44 | Grey HS | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Framesby | 33 | 24 | Noord-Kaap | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Kingswood | 64 | 10 | Union | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Queen’s | 92 | 0 | Port Rex | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | St Andrew’s | 37 | 18 | Marlow | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Westering | 0 | 59 | Cambridge | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Brandwag (Uitenhage) | 80 | 0 | Despatch | |
| Thu | 17/07/2014 | Tygerberg | 57 | 0 | Despatch | |
| Thu | 17/07/2014 | Bellville | 33 | 3 | Volkskool Graaff-Reniet | |
| Thu | 17/07/2014 | Swartland | 25 | 5 | Manchester GS (UK) | |
| Thu | 17/07/2014 | Augsburg Gym | 19 | 10 | RGS Wycombe (UK) | |
| Sat | 19/07/2014 | Tygerberg | 33 | 7 | RGS Wycombe (UK) | |
| Sat | 19/07/2014 | Swartland | 36 | 5 | Despatch | |
| Sat | 19/07/2014 | Stellenberg | 32 | 12 | Augsburg | |
| Sat | 19/07/2014 | Bellville | 24 | 5 | Manchester GS (UK) | |
| Wed | 23/07/2014 | New Orleans | 37 | 10 | Swartland | |
| Wed | 23/07/2014 | HJS Paarl BH | 19 | 10 | Sedbergh (UK) | |
| Thu | 24/07/2014 | Bellville | 0 | 5 | Bristol GS (UK) | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Augsburg | 33 | 7 | Piketberg | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Bellville | 40 | 5 | Monument Park | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Boland Landbou | 33 | 3 | Stellenberg | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Oakdale | 11 | 24 | Paul Roos | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | HJS Paarl BH | 36 | 3 | Bishops | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Paarl Gim | 37 | 10 | SACS | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Rondebosch | 22 | 13 | Tygerberg | |
| Wed | 23/07/2014 | New Orleans | 37 | 10 | Swartland | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Wynberg | 19 | 5 | Drostdy | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Welkom THS | 0 | 47 | Voortrekker (Beth) | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Hentie Cilliers | 33 | 31 | AHS Kroonstad | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Kroonstad | 26 | 10 | Goudveld | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Welkom Gim | 28 | 7 | Witteberg | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Jim Fouche | 62 | 7 | Duineveld | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Louis Botha | 41 | 22 | Sentraal (FS) | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Diamandveld | 29 | 24 | Fichardtpark | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Landboudal | 45 | 14 | Upington | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Jeppe | 17 | 17 | KES | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Pretoria BH | 24 | 37 | Menlopark | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Noordheuwel | 29 | 43 | Marais Viljoen | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Frikkie Meyer | 14 | 45 | Pietersburg | Limpopo Large Schools Final |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Oos Moot | 25 | 26 | Tuine | Bulls Large Schools Final |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Volksrust | 28 | 28 | Standerton | Pumas Large Schools Final |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Lichtenburg | 13 | 21 | Klerksdorp | Leopards Large Schools Final |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Helpmekaar | W | Linden | Lions Large Schools Final | |
| Sat | 26/07/2014 | Eldoraigne | 15 | 15 | RSG Wycombe (UK) |
@bhkgpa:
News24: 2014-06-12
Egg producer Quantum Foods, a subsidiary of Pioneer Foods, has unreservedly apologised for the abusive treatment laying hens received at its Phokeng depot in Rustenburg, the NSPCA said on Thursday. “This followed the NSPCA’s horror findings in March when emaciated, injured, and dying birds were being sold from Pioneer Food’s Phokeng depot”, NSPCA farm animal protection unit manager Andries Venter said in a statement.
On 26 March, the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals negotiated a long-term strategy with Quantum and Pioneer Foods. This was for the treatment of laying hens sold from the depot after their laying cycles. At the meeting, attended by the CEOs of Pioneer Foods, Quantum Foods, the NSPCA’s executive director, and Venter, the egg producer unreservedly apologised for the Phokeng depot incident.
Venter said they acknowledged a lapse in standards had occurred and agreed that measures would be taken to upgrade the standard of handling hens.
@Vra maar net: hy het seker nie meer tyd vir nonsens praat nie, besig om yskaste aan en af te sit om hoenders te ontdooi en weer te vries. Nou ja iemand moet dit seker doen
@Losbal: Jy klink soos Mac Maharaj.
@Deon: konteks my vriend, konteks…
@Losbal: Ek dink hierdie een is die snaakste, of domste een nog op enige site gesien het. Losbal se mening oor die verband tussen opvoeding en winsoogmerk :
PSG’s Curro is the most popular stock pick – Investment Insights | Moneyweb
Losbal • 5 months ago
“Education and profit are not friends.”
En Losbal se mening oor ander skole se skeidsregters :
Losbal • 2 years ago
“Whineberg n gagga plek vir enigiets Afrikaans
Laat ek raai…….baie technical calls, geelkaarte by die dosyne, skoolseunlynregters wat nie uitreels verstaan nie, maar besoekers vir onsinnighede uitwys….maar my persoonlike favourite die spiertier afrigter wat dink hy’s n cagefighter en almal probeer intimiideer
Miskien moet daai stuk oor sportmangees deur hul hoof so paar weke terug weer sirkuleer word….maar die keer intern?
Nou vir die 4de….en dan’s die boishaai brekers weer nr 1”
Sukkel jy so bietjie met ‘n gesplete persoonlikheid, of is jy net eksepsioneel onnosel? Of is dit albei? LMGA!
wha-ha-ha
wat is snaakser? Deon (meneer Paul Roos) wat preek oor professionalisme in skolesport of Vra maar net (meneer Tygerberg) wat ander skole of unies se skeidsregters bevraagteken! LMGA.
@Vra maar net: As julle pak die Berg manne in toom kan hou, kan enige iets gebeur, agter is julle nou eenmal gif en bly maar moeilik op jul tuisveld. Boishaai weg gaan taai wees, nie die talentvolste groep wat ek al gesien het nie, maar goed afgerig, hope durf en speel vir mekaar die volle 70 minute.
@Ploegskaar: Ja ons nog het moeilike naweke voor. Wynberg en Boishaai. Boland skeidsregters is maar altyd moeilik. Ons het die naweek op ‘n nat deurdrenkte veld (soos die ander skole ook maar) teen Rondebosch gespeel. Behalwe van 1 fout was dit die beste skeidsregter wat ek in jare laas gesien het. Verder lees my versoening voorstel by die Boishaai blog – ek is ernstig
@Vra maar net: Sien julle speel in Malmesbury die naweek, behoort op ‘n drafstap te wen ondanks die offisiëring wat soms maar kan lol daar.
@bhkgpa: Ploegie aka Stephan is van die lug af
@GCollege86:
you kidding right???? How can that guy ref a classic clash after being so poor in a minor game? NO! You as the parents can surely question this decision. If he(ref) is in the papers for bad officiating then he can’t ref the Selborne vs Grey PE game.
He will spoil the game for everyone
@Knight_CHS07: To be honest, I don’t think Selborne played well. I see more comments in the Daily Dispatch newspaper this morning on the ref and the Hudson coach who was more on the field coaching the ref than sitting in his technical area.
It’s over now and we need to move on. What concerns me is that this ref is earmarked to ref the Selborne vs Grey PE game that is going to be televised. Dont know after Saturday, but if it is him, the spectators who intimidates him the most from the sideline will have the upper hand in the game.
@GCollege86:Talented boy you have there sir. The Selborne players were humble even though the odds were against them, they still continued to play the game and not the HP players.
@Ploegskaar: sorry nou het ek jou verloor! was dit ontdooide vars hoenders wat weer gevries en ontdooi was?
@Ploegskaar: ai hoe verkeerd kan een man nou wees, jy praat darem baie in die verlede. geen idee nie maar nou ja, dit is nou al algemeen met jou!
@Knight_CHS07: @GCollege86: That’s really disappointing. It’s one thing to cheat as an official, but to disregard the safety of players is downright irresponsible. People have been sued for less.
@Knight_CHS07: That no.14 was my son. And yes he got injured. Hope he will be ok for Saturday. The linesman suggested a yellow card but the ref insisted he did not see the incident. The Hudson coach sat in front of me and had very un-sportman comments during the match. I was actually shocked in his comments when Jason Steyn of Srlborne was helped off the field with an injury.
@Playa:
yho! Don’t take me wrong, at times they have very good sides, but when they are not so competitive(“WEAK”), the officials tend to favour them…especially(infact mostly) on their home ground.
There was an incident where a Hudson player(No.8) “tackled” a Selborne player (no.14) without using his hands(Shoulder charge ecacileyo), and guess what happend….NOTHING!!! Yet the officials were right there. The Selborne boy looked hurt and could’ve have been seriously injured.
So disappointed seriously
@Knight_CHS07:
I’ll tell you a story about my one and only loss to Hudson. I was playing for under 15Bs. We were leading 24-22 with the game basically over when HP were awarded a penalty just outside our 22. The captain opted or poles, the ref pointed to the poles signalling a kick. We turned around to take our positions, next thing we know, the HP flyhalf is heading for the corner flag, and the ref awarded the try. No amount of protest could change the ref’s mind. Final score 24-27.
A few years later the Boks would suffer a similar fate against Ireland with the ‘Talk to you players’ debacle at Landsdowne
@Playa: After watch SC vs HP saturday, I’m guessing that brown envelope must’ve been a very thick one. I was disgusted by some of the calls made by the ref. I was waiting for him(the ref) to penalise Selborne for wearing black and White. Yhu!
@Knight_CHS07: Maybe we just need to prepare a brown envelope beforehand.
@BOG: Nope, it was you implying this was a weak Grey side anyway and they still beat Glenwood with 10 players missing. That too me smacks of arrogance. The 4 Glenwood players missing are probably 4 of the best players ever from the school. Those 4 turn the Glenwood side from a good side to an excellent one. When quality like this is missing it makes a huge difference, especially at Glenwood where we don’t have the same depth of Grey. Grey’s 1st to 4th’s are all at 1st team level of other schools, so 10 missing for you is not that much of a problem, simple slotting in of players from the Peaches & Cherries. It reflects in the way our 3rd’s and 2nd’s got beaten, the shift up of players significantly reduced the strength of the Glenwood teams. Anyway, well done again on winning every game..
@GreenBlooded: GCB 14 A -An average side(for GCB) thas has been beaten by 30 plus points a couple of times this season.
more a case of Glenwood u14 being overrated.
@GCollege86: By far the WORST officiating I have ever seen in my entire life!!!! The ref clearly didn’t know what he was doing, i must say. If Selborne weren’t such a good side this year, they would’ve lost that game. I also lost count of the number of “penalties” against Selborne
@Playa: He was biased, and apperantly the ref was just as biased to the “Pink Panthers” when they played QC last term. The Dalians must be prepared to face 16 men when they play the “Pink Panthers”
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@Grasshopper: “Arrogance” does not equate to truth. Ask someone to explain that to you. I simply re-affirmed what Beet had already said to you in a response to your “4 missing” players. So, if there was arrogance involved, it began with you.
@GCollege86: Brings back memories, had Selborne vs Hudson 1st game , very tough , wanting to Donner each other all the time, needed the whistle, to calm things down early on in the game,allowing the game to flow later on, under your control. Thanks for the report, looks like the Ref blew this game away.
@spilly: Match report in the Daily Dispach this morning:
SELBORNE BEAT HUDSON 18-10 DESPITE ‘WHISTLE-HAPPY REF’
Ross Rosche, Daily Dispatch, 28 July 2014
A BRAVE effort from Hudson, two teams playing their first match after the winter break, and a whistle-happy ref contributed to a very stopstart and scrappy game from which Selborne College emerged as 18-10 winners at Hudson Park High School on Saturday afternoon.
The match, which Selborne led from early on, was never dominated by either team as the scoreline was kept respectable by constant handling errors, strong defence and a heavy penalty count, particularly against Selborne, during the game.
The match kicked off and Hudson were punished almost immediately as a clearance from just outside the 22m went out on the full, giving Selborne an attacking line-out.
The ball was spread from the line-out and Selborne flyhalf Morgan Steyn made the break before offloading to centre Brandon Perks who muscled over the line for the opening try.
Steyn’s conversion made it 7-0 after three minutes.
From the kick-off, Hudson secured the ball and broke into Selborne’s 22m for the first time in the game looking to strike back immediately, but conceded a penalty allowing Selborne to clear.
In the 11th minute, Selborne missed a great chance to score after they had an overlap on attack.
Selborne then went over the tryline for the second time in the 18th minute as Steyn dived over under the posts, but the try was not awarded after the linesman flagged for an earlier infringement the ref missed on the halfway when a Hudson player was high-tackled.
Two minutes later, Steyn then missed a shot at goal when Hudson were penalised at a ruck out wide on the left.
However, Selborne were not to be denied as from the 22 drop-out they attacked and Steyn was on hand to dive over in the corner, but was unable to convert as they took a 12-0 lead.
Hudson then enjoyed a spell of possession and managed to work their way into Selborne territory, eventually earning a 5m scrum.
Centre Khanya Mgebisa then hit the ball at pace off the back of the scrum to score next to the uprights, with flyhalf Hlumelo Mnyute converting to make it 12-7 going into half time.
The second half started with Hudson on the front foot and they further reduced the deficit in the 40th minute when Selborne were penalised at a ruck on their 5m line, with Mnyute slotting the easy attempt.
Steyn then made it a five-point game again three minutes later when Hudson conceded a penalty outside the 22m to the left of the uprights.
The rest of the half then became a match of attrition as the play became very messy and disjointed as the ref wouldn’t let play flow with a heavy penalty count.
Only Steyn troubled the scorers again, knocking over a penalty in the 58th minute to push them out of Hudson’s reach.
With time on the clock up, Selborne wing Michael Botha was then yellowcarded for a tip tackle on a Hudson player, with the match ending soon thereafter.
@All Black: Footage attached. It’s not in a match, nor does it say where the field is, nor is there enough footage to see what sort of wind was blowing. The fact that he had someone holding the ball for him makes me think it was probably a howling wind assisting him. So, circus stunt …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HOnWTO7WEE
@BOG: your arrogance astounds me, the team on the pitch was your 1st team available on the day. Well done on the win. Glenwood too have had some serious injuries, Vidima (out all season), I don’t think our best centre Sparks played and then the 4 SA schools squad players. So both sides depleted, Glenwood of their best players…
@CyndiAtRugby: I hear some kid kicked an 80m kick in the Free State somewhere. Are the fields getting too small for these boys?
@GCollege86: Many thanks for the info ,i am sure David will start the week back to normal , in school, and on the practice field.Hudson always a very difficult game, as they view this as there most important game of the season,rising more than above themselves. Selborne have played great rugby so far , the dust will settle ,niggles will ease,and the results will come. Please keep me informed.
@spilly: Going to be a big week for Selborne (not on rugby field). A lot has to happen this morning. David back in class this morning. Will let you know after todays practice.
Our boys battled on Saturday. Hudson gave them a hell of a game. Dont know if our boys were a bit rusted of if they just played too much rugby. Coach Phiwe said the CW boys had a lot of niggles and were still sore from CW. 3 Very hard games ahead against QC, Dale and Grey.
@Playa: Dont want to comment about the ref too much. I stopped counting the penalty count at 18 against Selborne. It was definitely much more.
Port Rex have taken some serious beatings this year…WOW!
@spilly: Looks like they’ll be meeting a QC team with their tails up, they better be at their best. Though I hear the ref at the Hudson-Selborne game was a bit biased to the Pink Panthers…so that may have annoyed their flow a bit.
@Gcollege86 Are we expecting to see the Steyn Da Silva Brits combination back for the Queens game on Sat Will Selborne be back to the team which beat Dale
@tandemfitarborsurculus: 3 Jaar
@Grasshopper: Yes, I heard and Beet confirmed that GCB went into the match with a host of injuries- 10 or 11. And dont get too excited about the first half. An almost gale force wind assisted . But with the next match, the 1st XIV will be unrecognizable from that match
I believe that the wind in Durban, blew like heck on Sat. As I was in the bush with no signal,I asked my daughter do give support, along with her ex GW friend.The home advantage of 20 points which Grasshopper mentioned, was on the mark.@kcob: What have they ever admitted?
@GreenBlooded: My 1st visit to Glenwood, a pleasant surprise, great venue & facilities, school boys and parents well mannered, thoroughly enjoyed the outing. Durban weather yesterday a different matter !
@GreenBlooded: Glenwood poaching rugby players in Russia now already? Wouldn’t be surprized!
@Green Hopper: And fitness with the lower teams, I have never seen such unfit kids.
@phat55: ons O16B het 7-0 verloor. 1stes kon verder wen.Ten minste 3 kanse verbrou met swak support of hantering.
@Green Hopper: I don’t understand a single word you just said. Was that English or Russian??
@GreenBlooded: ok, maybe you are right. I want to do a yoy analysis to see if you are right…
@Green Hopper: hmmm, the results vs College don’t suggest that. At Glenwood we win more than 50% of the games…
@GreenBlooded: when or many tis is rumour , but Grey admint they really on concentrate on teh boys hen they get to u16 level, they believe the maturity level for the next two to three years , at school boy level, i think they ake things in groups of years , knwoing tha boys chnage mentally and physically , and it works mate , it works
@Grasshopper: I think the results are getting better and better every year – the gap is indeed narrowing. Besides the 3rds, the only cricket scores were D team and below and there weren’t that many of them. A, B and C team lookign much more competitive. The U15A match must have been a cracker – Steve La Marque doing amazing things with those boys. The GW U14A was always going to be a epic encouter – that Grey side must be awesome to have beaten them.
I think this fixture is doing great things for Glenwood Rugby – long may it continue.
@Green Hopper: agree with you. This year if they beat Affies & College will be in the top 5 teams ever produced. 1965, 1979, 2000 and 2008 probably in their too. As my uncle played in 65, I have a bias for that side :-)
@Grasshopper: here i disagree with you , College are better coached at the lower teams, tackling for one issue, has and if structures stay the same, will always be a problem at GW ,
G needs to look at this, i do see they tried to do a coaching course for all coaches at GW , at the beginning of the year , but this needs constant reaffirmation, refresher courses during the season, evaluation session, KPI’s on who the coach has done,
I know this is a bit of a moving target , as the teams change yearly , but some strategic thinking is needed to deal with short term seasonal goals because of this , it would be good to try this out , just as they do with the education
@Grasshopper: @Grasshopper: there is some merit in what you say , in my experiences with GW is that yes whilst the more experienced coaches are in the lower team you suggest , these are only two of the needed 16 , further you find many of the school boys in the higher grades are actually coaching and managing these lower sides.
Further whilst they might be more experienced, they simply aren’t up to date and or enthusiastic as they one were, and this is clearly demonstrated in the “gap” between possible B downward,
What GW need to do is revolutionise the system and structure , as this has been in existence for or since 2008 when I was first introduced to G rugby and the school.
Lets look at the 1st Teams, a bit off the subject , but in my mind, the 2008 team was the best , however they lost to Grey at Home and Affies at Home that year , whilst still winning the Sanix .
Hat we have here this year is possibly a better team , yes they have lost to Grey , But if the can complete the task before them and beat Affies @ Affies and them Complete this with eth Win @ College , and following the great year they have had , they could , IMHO, could top the 2008 team
I just wish I was in SA to watch these game
@Anti Green: I don’t agree, Glenwood do not only focus on A teams, they have the older more experienced coaches lower down. Hutch & Oros coach the Under 14 E, F & G. The lower teams are very competitive in KZN, but Grey are in another league. Their C teams are A team strength, that is the difference. That is what Maritzburg College was like. Depth is based on size of BE…
@Green Hopper: I am not sure of what injuries there are from the Glenwood side but do know there were quite a few that are sick at the moment. From the side of the field I saw a few boys from each team with injuries. Generally speaking, the medics had a quiet day in comparison with other games.
@Grasshopper: Hopper that’s the problem at GW is they only worry about the A sides. The coaching needs to filter down to the weaker sides. My theory is (and I’m stupid) that the A side coaches should be given the D-F sides as these sides need coaching skills not the A-B sides as they are generally CW players or come from A sides already and therefore have the basic skills. All they need is fine tuning and for this you don’t need the best coach for. The lower teams some kids have never seen a rugby ball or played soccer at primary school. They need all the coaching and the best coaching. I think those fixture against Grey are good as the boys need to understand a winning culture, like Grey.
@CyndiAtRugby: so what or how do you think GW wil do next weekend? are there plenty of injures that might affect perfromace next weeend and then teh following weekend ? as GW need to beat College at College
@Grasshopper: I agree that the 3rd team score was a surprise … so were many of the boys who ran on for the team yesterday.
@Pinotage: I believe that was an amazing game as was the U15A game. I hope the boys who were injured recover quickly and were on the bus going home.
@Grasshopper: sorry, a few years ago, you were in support of these fixtures, if i remember correctly , why the chage now????
@Grasshopper: The Under 16B game was a fierce battle where no quarter was asked or given. My son told me after the game that it was one of his toughest games ever, but also one of the most enjoyable.
He was also full of praise for the family that hosted him and a mate. Thanks to the family.
Well done to the Glenwood community.
@CyndiAtRugby: Cyndi, maybe but for the 3rds to lose by 70 points in 70 mins, is a point a minute. Please tell me what is learnt by standing behind the posts all day? Grey are in a different league down the line, stick to the 1st and A teams playing them at festivals. Those results would be worse in Bloem. I have not seen them improve too much over the years.
@Grasshopper: I seriously doubt the majority of boys would agree with discontinuing this fixture. There were many boys who stepped up to the challenge and many who thrived in the competition. There is huge respect between the players from both teams and it was great to see the camaraderie on and off the field.
Well done to Grey on the games won and the amazing manners of your boys.
A special well done to the U14 Grey boy who converted a penalty from 50m. Hope someone has that for YouTube.
Glenwood vs Grey results; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/SPORT%20RESULTS%20vs%20GREY1.pdf
Lost every rugby game! Only the A teams making a decent match of it. A fixture Glenwood should think of stopping and swapping for PBHS, Jeppe, KES or Grey PE. I mean when your 3rds lose by 70 at home it’s just stupid!
Well done to hockey, squash, cross country for their wins though! Not just a rugby school….
@bhkgpa: Laastens, want ek weet jy moet vroeg op en het ‘n besigheid om te red, is al julle vars hoenders soos daardie brandsiek halfdood goed wat julle vroeer die jaar in Rustenburg gesmous het? Lelike storie. Dankie vir die chat en regtig bly ek het army geskip as ek kyk wat dit aan jou gedoen het. Tjorts!
@bhkgpa: Enigste ding wat hier rond gesink het is Tydstroom, stuur Groete vir Con.
@bhkgpa: Ja ja Coenie, hop in jou Quantum en draf aan
@PRondersteuner:
yip yip,awesome clean sweep!!! Bigup’s to the 1st XV on a good victory away from home
@Grasshopper: I’m just clearing up an misunderstanding re: your comment:
“Heard the Grey squad system of a fresh bench paid huge dividends after Glenwood led 12-5 at half time”
I also expected Grey to use their best players as fresh replacements today but those first choice players who were not listed in the match day programme were genuinely injured, 10 of them in total. So there was no squad system in play today.
@Tandem:
Geeeeeez 989 points vs 18 points overall is a scary stat!
@Ploegskaar: sorry man, jy is reg ek was verkeerd. Jy was nie n pen pusher in die army nie, WANT JY WAS NIE IN DIE ARMY NIE. Die tyd toe jy moes gaan was dit al gestop ai dis jammer! 8)
@Ploegskaar: ek dink nie ons het genoeg tyd in ons leeftyd om jou te leer nie, lyk my dinge sink maar stadig in
@Ploegskaar: steeds nog nie jou hande vuil gemaak met boerdery nie of hoe? Nee wat neem die easy way out!
@bhkgpa: Nou kom leer my, jy weet mos waar om my te kry.
Will Grey College be at full strength next weeked against Grey PE ? Hoping for a full strength game.
@bhkgpa: Ja ja, selfde ou storietjie oor en oor. So jy ken my naam, en? Meeste hier doen. Maar jy ken my duidelik nie, anders sou jy weet ek het al my ure in ontbening, produksie en selfs kleinhandel gedoen. Sodat ek weet wat ek doen en waarvan ek praat. En wat die res van jou aanmerkings betref, duidelik ken jy my nie 8)
@Tandem: Sorry 014 A 63-0
@Deon: Bishops scored 18 points in 19 games . Boishaai scored 989 points . Average score over the 19 games was Boishaai 52 – Bishops 1 ! They scored not a single point in the 014 , 015 or 016 age groups ..They only scored points in the 019 A, B and C games .
014 63-3 , 15 A 78-0 , 16 a 18-0 . Although it is clear that Boishaai rugby is very healthy something is wrong at Bishops .
@Roger: Ja Boet – I’ll agree that KES is pretty “Man City” – but they only lost narrowly no??
@greybearded: Cool! Thanks. Hope you enjoyed your day at Glenwood. Saw all the busses going back up the N3 on my way back from Maritzburg this afternoon. Besides the 1st, the only other score I heard was the 3rds (Peaches – yes?). 78-0. I guess there were plenty of scores like that today……..
@GreenBlooded: No clean shorts, al subs played for the Cherries !
@beet: beet, beet, beet you know Glenwood is a very different proposition with their 4 game breakers included. Not saying they would have beaten Grey but those 4 would have made a huge difference today.
Well done Paul Roos!!! Great win op die plaas. Paul Roos also made a clean sweep of ALL the games!!!!
@bhkgpa: @BoishaaiPa: Is dit true that all the Bishops teams together only managed to score thirteen points in all games played against HJS today. Doesn’t sound correct? Perhaps 13 in all the open ages games.
@beet: Ek stem 100% saam met jou opmerkings. Ons wil gebalanseerde Boishaaiers oplewer ( ten minste 3jaar op Boishaai) en vir hierdie rede is die petalje, om enigsens deel te vorm van hierdie gr 11 oorplasing, in die middel van die jaar, n ernstige verleentheid. Dit moes n beginsel saak vanaf die eerste kontak gewees het. Met ander woorde : “Nee, hier werk dit nie so nie” Die Rugby Advieskomitee moet hier duidelike leiding gee om toekomstige verleenthede die hoof te bied !
@Roger: new kids on the block, my grandad was the first captain at KES….he admits soccer school!
@Ploegskaar: ek die een wat ander leer, word nie geleer nie 8)
@Djou: Yeah Gerrie was a star Sevens player at school. Tall boy. I always wondered where he’d end up playing after school. Seems like he is an outside centre / wing choice at the FS u19 now. Sort of tall wing who may get a look in for the u20 JWC next year altho there will tough compo from the likes of Duhan vd Merwe, Stephan Rautenbach and perhaps even Henry Immelman
@Ploegskaar: ja Stephan geen risiko, maklike besigheid. Jy sal nie eers n week as hokman hou op plaas nie wat nog te sê by onderhandellings. Jou handjies bietjie sag en regte ou pen pusher soos ons julle in army genoem het of hoe
En o ja ek nie by een van hierdie bg name wat jy noem nie, weereens bewys jy lees te veel koerant en ken nie jou mededingers nie 8)
@Roger: oh so you mean KES who started playing rugby 20 years after the rest of us ;-)
@Grasshopper: I’m not sure who your source was but Grey really did have a host of injuries coming into the game. 11 possible starters ruled out. They only brought on Tubby Terblanche as a fresh sub at flank of all positions (he is usually a prop). This was more or less after they had the game in the bag. Grey did get game changer subs on off the bench starting early in the 2nd half but these boys had all played for the Cherries.
@Djou:
kan jy jou indink, maar dink die omies van Astral, Pioneer, Rainbow, Country Fair & Supreme/Country Bird gaan nie vir my stem nie 
@bhkgpa: Ken julle ou tuisnywerheid bedryf kop tot tone, hoekom dink jy gee ek julle al 20 jaar op julle moer. Know your friends and your enemies even better, of hoe? En kry ‘n ander deuntjie, jy hak vas by die een wysie wat die ander kuikens jou geleer het. Klink soos ‘n puppet.
@BoishaaiPa: OK thanks. That would probably have been the 19 to 10 victory over Sedbergh. That’s a lot narrower than their usual hammerings of the schools from the UK. Was it a weakened 1st team?
Love it when the Man City’s of the world lose…..
@Djou: hy weet niks van landbou produksie nie, is n invoerder van goedkoop vleis wat weer herverpak en verkoop word. Geen kennis daarvoor nodig nie
@Vleis: Something wirh an S…sorry cant recal it now
@Toffee: @Toffee: @Toffee: Yip…Bishops received 2 yellows…early in the game Bishops No 8 also punched the Boishaai 10 but was not spotted by ref. Watch it on tv tomorrow, maybe it was caught by the cameras.
@Grasshopper: Not really supposed to be clean shorts on the bench other than at festivals.
Diamantveld 29 Fichardtpark 24. Framesby 36 Noord-Kaap 24.
Heard the Grey squad system of a fresh bench paid huge dividends after Glenwood led 12-5 at half time
@BoishaaiPa: Thanks. Any idea which school the A team played against?
FT Maritzburg College 37 – 10 Affies
Well played Grey, beating Glenwood 29-12! As expected a winning margin of about 20 points…
FT PBHS 24 – Menlo Park 37
Rondebosch 22 Tygerberg 13
Paarl Gim 37 SACS 10
Paarl Boys 36 – Bishops 3 (sounds like it was a little of an ill-tempered game with plenty of handbags.
Wynberg 19 Drostdy 5 a good win by the Berg in wet, windy weather with a muddy field. Good wins for the Berg under 15 and under 16 teams. Not sure what happened in the under 14 game.
HT Boys High 14 – Menlo Park 5
80 metres kick. Enormous. Wow. Gerrie Labuschagne from Cheetahs u.19 kicked this one from his own 22m. According to the name sheets he hails from Die Anker high school.
https://t.co/fRSQ2bvccs
@Ploegskaar: Ons mag dalk verskil oor sommige maniere van werwing, maar oor die landboubedryf stem ek 100% saam. Sal jou enige tyd minister van landbou maak, dan sal die bedryf immers weer begin groei.
Ok
@Ploegskaar: dit kan nog lank wees as ek kyk wat in die pyplyn is
@Ploegskaar: let wel dit is wat met die hoender gebeur na dit in SA geland het of hoe? Dis maklik om aan standaarde te voldoen soos jy weet. Daar was mos ookal baie moeilikheid oor ingevoerde vleis.
I haven’t commented much on the topic of David Brits, but let me just say I am very happy to see the young man back at Selborne, I am quite fond of the young lad, decent young man. I am quite close to some of the Selborne boys and enjoy having regular chats with Grant (QC86’s boy), Tian (GCollege86’s boy), David Brits and Morgan Steyn. They were all a part of a quality age group side that I’ve had the pleasure of watching since my matric year when they were in grade 8 and still u14 back in 2011. I have high hopes for their 1st XV next year and am glad David will be a part of that side even if comes with the price of Queen’s possibly losing to them :-|. Just to put into perspective just how close to these boys QC86 and Gcollege86 are, I remember GCollege86 saying him and QC86 were the only parents in the u16A camp last assisting the boys and their coaches, so I’m sure they regard most of these boys as their own. If anyone thinks they were just worried about Selborne losing a player, think again, they were also concerned about the well being of David.
@Ploegskaar: Stephan jy het nie n idee waarvan jy praat nie want jy het nog nie geboer nie. Jy is net aan die goeie kant. ek kan ook iets koop vir niks en dan geld maak. So stop maar jou grootpratery kry asb VARS KOS op jou bord. Nie ingevoerde gemors wat ontdooi en weer ingespuit word nie.
@Deon:
geniet jou KF?
@Ploegskaar: Ek verstaan. Moet sê, die McDonalds situasie klink bisar. Vreemde wêreld.
Jy het nou my dieet gekelder. Gaan warm aantrek en ‘n draai by die Sandbaai KFC maak.
@Deon: Maak ‘n man soms moedeloos dat daar soveel wanpersepsies van mens se bedryf is bloot omdat mense die verkeerde inligting moedswillig gevoer word. Ek loop al vir 16 jaar ‘n pad met daardie verkaffer in Bredasdorp en die ander wat ek genoem het, 52 weke per jaar. Geen rede hoekom dit nie ook so met die hoenderbedryf kon wees nie. En so ‘n laaste stoffie tot nadenke, is dit nie vreemd dat Rainbow plaaslike KFC’s met VARS hoender verskaf, terwyl Brasiliaanse borsfillette ingevoer, verwerk en uitgevoer word na McDonald’s in die Midde-Ooste nie?
@BoishaaiPa: Waneer ons ‘n slag vir Bois omdop, sal ek dit self kom aflewer, boude en ribbetjies heel, die res opgesny
@bhkgpa: Wel, geniet julle manne maar, terwyl plaaslike boere se sitrus ophoop in Europese hawens, die eerste besendings SA wyn oppad terug is van die VK en sagtevrugte boere sit en naels kou. Feit is ons alleen het 25 kleinhandel winkels, ‘n verwerkingsaanleg en ‘n groothandel afdeling wat kollektief 4000mt hoendeprodukte/maand skuif. Daar is 30-40 soortgelyke privaat/onafhanklike maatskappye in SA met dieselfde afsetkapasiteit en dan honderde kleineres. By hoeveel van hulle het julle al gaan aanklop? Geen, want julle is ‘n lui bedryf wat verkies om deur die groot kettingwinkels te bemark en met mekaar vir rakspasie mee te ding. Soos die ou wysie gaan: Bring terug die Vleisraad, waar’s my subsidie-Benz. En moet asseblief nie die ou storie van werksverliese opbring nie, ons klein ou maatskappytjie alleen het 800 werknemers. Todat jy basiese konsepte soos vryhandel en globale markpryse verstaan, mors ek egter my asem. Ek het begrip daarvoor dat jy jou bestaansreg wil beskerm, maar mens moet darem die groter prentjie ook sien.
@bhkgpa: As mens suksesvol is daarin, moet dit steeds romanties wees, wat is meer edel as om voedsel te produseer uit die grond uit, soos my pa gedoen het, sy pa voor hom, en sy pa voor hom?
En ja, soos ‘n regte kwassieboer, kan ek steeds ure lank in die nag lees aan elke brokkie agter in die Landbou Weekblad se advertensies, van Bonsmara pryse in die Bosveld tot die prys dagoud braaikuikens in die Strandveld.
@Ploegskaar: Solank julle Bredasdorp ondersteun sal julle onderneming altyd gedy. Daar kom net puik produkte uit daardie kontrei!
@QC86: Please email me with your contact details.
@Ploegskaar: Wat van jy drop so een keer n maand een van daai lammers hier by my af…Teen kosprys natuurlik!…lol
@bhkgpa: Weereens leuens. Ingevoerde hoender voldoen aan EU sanitere en higieniese staandaarde, word getoets vir SE en Ecoli voor verskeping en met arrivering. Plaaslike hoender? Wel dit word van die rak verwyder, na iemand siekgeraak het. Ons het gesondheidsertifikate en permitte nodig vir elke besending, joune? En vir die rekord, ek ry elke week 600 varke in van Viljoenskroon, 400 beessye van Jan Kempdorp en ‘n 1000 lammers van Poafadder en Bredasdorp, ek ondersteun lewensvatbare bedrywe, maar nie een wat beskerming geniet ten koste van die ander agri-sektore en die verbruiker nie.
@Deon: stem saam Deon, lankal nie meer romanties nie, maar dit bly lekker en uitdagend en gee baie genoegdoening as dit n slag weer goed gaan. Voel n man se harde en slimmer werk word n slag beloon. Min meer beroepe waar die risiko so groot is en die marges so klein is, maar waar die satisfaksie baie goed is.
@apple: Ek stem saam met jou. Daar is egter uitsonderings, maar oor die algemeen is jy beslis korrek.
@bhkgpa: Ek het so klompie jare gelede begin boer, op die ” sideline”.
Dit het baie romanties geklink. Boonop het die kwekery daar in Wellington, wat my bome aan my gelewer het my verseker dat dat selfs die domste en swakste boer sukses bereik met olie olywe, onmoontlik om te faal-sy presiese woorde.
My boerdery was/is ‘n klaaglike, miserabele mislukking. Kop hard gestamp. Boerdery het sy romanse geheel en al verloor. Dis ‘n wetenskap.
Apologies Vleis…sien nou eers jou post. 1stes het net teen een skool gespeel. Die res was b en c spanne.
@Ploegskaar: glo my dit sal ook kom. Jy moet maar aanhou kos invoer wat gesubsidieer word. So sal jy dit dit reg kry om meer geld te maak en ook seker te maak dat boere in SA nie regtig n bestaan sal geniet nie. Gelukkig vir jou sal daar altyd ongeligde mense wees wat dink hulle koop n bargain met jou hoender wat nie voldoen aan die regte gesondheids wette nie, maar gelukkig koop ek VARS SA produkte want sonder boere in die land sal selfs jy nie eers kos kan koop nie, al maak jy hoeveel geld uit jou ingevoerde produk. Gelukkig koop die mense wat weet eerder VARS hoender. Terloops, ek is langer in die bedryf as jy hiermee bedoel ek nie die invoerbedryf om “loopholes” te kry nie, maar in die regte boerdery bedryf.
Min SBR in Pretoria this Saturday. Interesting match up is the fixture between Menlo Park and Pretoria Boys on Brooks. A visit to Brooks is never easy and the Menlo Parkies will give due respect to the Candies. Have been unable to verify a report of a training fixture score line of 4-4 tries between the Candies and Waterkloof 1st XV earlier this week. Unexpectedly the Boys High 2nd XV is taking on Waterkloof 2nd XV in the curtain raiser to main fixture on Brooks. This may give a good indication of the depth at Boys High and what to expect from them in 2015.
Key matches for the day as ascertained from Boys High:
Boys High 1st XV v Menlo Park 1st XV – Brooks at 12:45
Boys High 2nd XV v Waterkloof 2nd XV – Brooks at 11:30
Boys High 3rd XV v Menlo Park 2nd XV – Brooks at 10:30
Rest Boys High v Menlo Park
U 16A on Oehley Near at 11:00
U 15A on Oehley Far at 10:00
U 14A on Dorey Near at 09:00
@bhkgpa: Die poepholle het jy aangeneem, dit was slegs ‘n verwysing na die SAPA diknekke en hul spreekbuis Lovell. Die infame leuens wat die publiek gevoer word is skokkend. Pryse is bloot hoer omdat rooivleis duurder is, ‘n sikliese trek proses, so aanvraag vereis hoer pryse. My kosprys is nog dieselfde, ek maak net meer geld. Terloops, ek voer al klaar in van markte in Europa wat nie deur die tariefverhoging geraak is nie.
@Ploegskaar: sal doen as jy ophou om hardwerkende boere PL te noem. En SAPA voer ons niks, dit het ook niks met kettingwinkels te doen nie. Ongelukkig word ingevoerde hoender meestal op prys verkoop. Soos jy sien is pryse in die mark al redelik op sedert daar beter beheer is oor invoere. so erken maar die rol van die boer en hou op om hom of haar as PL uit te beeld.
@bhkgpa: Dink jy regtig die tariefverandering gaan invoere keer? Vir elke gaatjie wat ITAC toedruk kry ek bloot ‘n nuwe effektiewe invoerbron. Moenie alles glo wat SAPA julle voer nie, wees eerder kwaad vir die ketting winkels wat julle prysnemers gemaak het en plaaslike voerpryse, invoere het min tot geen invloed.
@Ploegskaar: jip, n ou wat doen wat jy doen moet asb boerdery uitlos, want die naaste wat jy daaraan kom is die kos wat jy eet wat op die tafel is. Jy praat duidelik van jouself toe jy die lelike woord, iets wat begin met n P en eindig met n L hierbo gebruik het. gelukkig daal ons boere nie so laag nie. Ons is baie dankbaar oor die tarief verandering, want dit gaan beteken dat daar meer VARS kos op tafels is en nie soveel ingevoerde hoender, wat eers ontdooi word, herverpak word en weer gevries word en dan aan klante verkoop word nie. En o ja, weer ingespuit word ook of hoe?
Tjoppa en van die ander manne…… Hoe lyk dit vir my die gesag wat die Boishaai manne hier uitoefen julle in julle doppe laat kruip rondom hierdie soortgelyke situasie as wat daar op die Poachers blog was.
Kom ons wees konsekwent manne…………
@Deon: I agree with Playa, there are no winners and hopefully all will end well.
En Deon, ek hoor jou, en sien daarna uit as jy hoor van enige persoonlike omstandighede wat moontlik n impak op n kind se besluite rondom sy sport talent mag he, jy asb dit so gou as moontlik op die blog sit sodat ons dit kan bespreek.
Natuurlik net met sy beste belange op die hart.
@Playa
I know that feeling I was at 6 different Junior Schools in a number of Provinces due to my father moving around but luckily only 1 High School and ever more luckily that was in Cape Town! My junior years were very difficult. I think it is harder to move at High School level though. I did enjoy my 3 years in PE, where I came into contact with Rugby for the first time (being of Scottish descent) watching EP play Llanelli and there started my passion.
@bhkgpa: Dis ‘n globale bedryf, waarvan invoer en uitvoer produkte deel is, tensy julle, soos baie vermoed, nie regtig hoenders verkoop nie. Hou asb. ook op verwys na hoenderboerdery, dis veel eerder hoenderkwekery. En vir jou inligting, lees ek nie koerante nie, ek maak die nuus, so pik maar aan, dalk tref jy ‘n pit.
@Tjoppa: I think getting moobs is a result of losing upper body strength and not having the power to push yourself away from the dinner table. It’s not the chicken you are eating, it’s ALL the chicken you are eating … gnome sane?
@Playa: I know, I dont want to speculate either, but maybe just to clear up a perception that he was not made to feel welcome or anything like that…I dont know what the internal ruling or “agreed upon” rules were, only that I was sure he will not be in the Interschools team, the starting 15. I did however thought he would be drafted into the squad with the seccies. Being with the C and D teams gave me some other insight, but again I am just speculating here. Hope he settles right back in and this will all be forgotten with his next game for Selborne…
@Ploegskaar: o jy voer slegs produkte in so ek is korrek, jy weet regtig niks van boerdery nie. Jy boer dus nie so jy weet nie van wat gebeur nie. Jy lees koerant en dink jy weet want jou inkomste mag dalk niu bietjie minder raak. Probeer maar asb meer objektief wees voor jy weer swak stellings maak. Maar nou ja, daar sal seker altyd sulke oningeligtes soos jy wees wat dink hulle weet iets.
@BoishaaiPa:
you wouldn’t expect him to sit in a corner by himself now would you? I wont speculate on his happiness/sadness or whatever. As for him being drafted into the 1st XV straight away…well you said it yourself…”he definitely will not be in the team before Interschools, maybe after”. One can easily take that as what was ‘agreed upon’ in the Boishaai circles. Again, I do not want to speculate.
@Playa: I am implying that unfortunatly there are no winners in this saga
The result is a tragedy. Unfortunately, people (not directed at you because I know where you stand) will just look at this result and then try and find other ways to do this differently hoping to avoid this same situation. You cannot cure a disease if you do not know or choose to ignore the cause of it.
Last I have to say on this matter.
I wish David all of the best. May he learn from this and keep his chin up as the next few weeks/months will not be easy. But there is no doubt in my mind that going back is the best thing for him.
@apple: Fortunately, only a few uninformed individuals believe coming from a “broken” should be kept secret, like some covetous act.
It is surely no fault of the boy, possibly even not any person’s, that his home is a “broken” home. Bad things happen to good people too, too often. Coming from a “broken” home is no scandal or embarrassment. Or are you insinuating the boy played an active part in breaking up his home?
Nowhere anyone discussed any personal detail in any way that can be embarrassing. Pure compassion was always evident to me.
I do not know about your planet, but on mine the truth is said to heal, broken homes too. Opinions here on Planet Deon are but opinions, not necessarily fact, so I will regard your opinion on the intentions of the relevant bloggers as just that, your opinion, not fact. Facts are by definition not prone to personal bias.
You see, My planet is bigger than an apple!
@QC86: Please do..It will not get into the public domain for now. This is something I would like to adress internally.
@BoishaaiPa: I have not forgotten about the names and numbers you wanted,spoken to the family and 2 days ago were not keen on going public but after yesterday he seemed to be more keen on giving me the go ahead, to release some info.will keep you posted.
@Playa: I am implying that unfortunatly there are no winners in this saga.
@Queenian: I think its time we climb off this topic..The boy has been harrased enough…first to move and then to move back..Just as a matter of interest…on Wednesday he looked happy enough between some new mates, but did not get to play. Benched for the C and D teams…Maybe a bit of a reality check kicked in…Surely if Boishaai was involved in his coming for rugby, they would have drafted him ASAP into the first team squad?
@BoishaaiPa: I don’t know you to be selective in articulating things, don’t disappoint me oom.
@BoishaaiPa: Ye I know its about the boy but its also about these schools anybody would be stupid to think otherwise.
Ask QC 86 he’s son might be at Selborne but he still has a big part of his heart at QC
@Queenian: and here I thought it was all about the boy and not the school….
@apple: You choose one comment about his background and deduce that the person who said it does not have his best interest at heart??? Sure, it revealed something unbeknownst to most, but someone else would choose to view it as why the person who said it would be genuinely concerned about such a move. The comment may have been unnecessary, but to conclude with your view is unjustifiable.
That’s my view
@GCollege86: @QC86: @Playa: I hope now all bloggers now see what pain we go through in our schools and what type of heart ache is caused by these type of things. People just rape schools like Selborne/Dale/Queens and then still try and justify it with the biggest lot of crap.
This is definetly a big win for Border schools and people wonder why people like myself/QC86/Player and co carry on like we do.
Rudi all I can say is “get that man a bells” this has made my week.
@CHS08: I cannot say. He wont be playing tommorrow as did not attend a certain amount of practices prior to a game. I suspect he might play seconds or 3rds, if he is going to play at all. It also depends on how the meeting went with the Headmaster this morning.
@Deon: On what planet was the response on this blog in the boy’s interest? If you seek the moral high ground, you will not attain it. The right outcome was achieved, but it remains my view that the intentions were not as honourable as presented, but then again as it was said “the whole town knew his background” and now the whole country does.
@QC 86 @GCollege 86: So when will David Brits play again gentleman? Will he be playing tomorrow?
@Deon: I don’ think his slotting back in is going to be pleasant,i know of one of his room mates at hostel that he should avoid for the next couple of days
was quiet hurt when he left without saying cheers
@ Djou – Sounds like you have first hand experience on this Menlopark matter regarding how they operate ?. Would be interresting to hear some of this :-D, I’m not a fan of them or how they operate just saying before you may think I want to defend them. And as you mentioned earlier one must dig deeper into this …….
@BoishaaiPa: Between Sub A and Matric I attended 5 different schools in 5 different towns. Politics and parents careers dictated the moves, I had no say. What’s the similarity between us…we left those places in good terms. I am still young so a lot of those old friends are still alive
. And when we bump into each other on social media or by chance, it’s a jolly time. I’m sure you have the same lekker thing.
The issue is not changing schools here, the issue is the circumstances, chain of events and how you leave the people you leave behind.
My dad always told me to work to make sure I do not get fired. But should I resign, I must always leave on good terms…even if I feel I will never need that employer again. Why? Because there is no such thing as a crystal ball. It only exists in fairytales. I live by those words.
@Deon: let me tell you something,yesterday when i got the phone call to say he was coming back i had tears running down my cheeks,thats how strongly we felt about this.The u16 boy that has gone to Glenwood we have not blogged about,lost case move on, different circumstances all together,go and be happy,when someone offers him[dad ] R5 more off he will go again
@QC86: As I said, maybe its just me, because I have a different frame of reference. By the time I was 11 I was in 4 different schools due to my dad being in the banking business and we moved a lot. I had no choice in the matter and had to make new friends, lost old ones etc…But you either had to man-up or be f…up.
Clearly some adults made the wrong choices in this instance, but if there was no will, there would have been no way. I sure hope he will not loose his scholarship and that the parties at hand will look for an alternative if that happens.
@Deon: Thanks for your positive remarks. I have the greatest respect for your school and supporters.
We know the boy very well. He grew up with our kids. I really wish him all the best in his rugby future after school and believe he will make a success.
Our concern was leaving his support structures and starting new ones. Also things like academic matters were high on our concern list and what effect a move in Gr 11 will have on this. Is it beneficial for a kid to move in middle of Gr 11 if WP said he must rather finish.
I do believe the way our parents, coaches and mentors act has an ever lasting effect on our children and the values they will live one day.
For the boy’s sake I really hope he will settle in again and let life return to normality.
To add to something I posted earlier. There is probably a boy at Paarl Boys High who eats, sleeps and breathes that school. He’s a the true blue who lives to be called a Galpil. BUT some decision-maker at the school decided it’s wise to shaft him for an import who clearly did not what to be there and who’s sole motivation was advancing his own rugby career. Where’s the brotherhood in that decision?
There is a boundary that school officials are allowing rugby to cross for the sake of short term gain and that is contrary to the values those adults are meant to be responsible for upholding.
@Deon: Thank you ,i can’t tell you how much a comment like that means to all of us,in the last couple of days i have really doubted myself the abuse you take from trolls and you wonder if you not on the wrong track.But with this kid we knew this was not a good move,so shot boet,thanks
@Deon: I have just given you a standing ovation. Very well said.
@BoishaaiPa: Ja well…I’d say losing a R70k a year scholarship can be pretty traumatic for some people. Nevermind the small matter of friends lost…ja that’s a pretty normal thing for 17 year old to go through. But you have decades of life’s experiences to not see anything traumatic here.
My point is adults (including parents) came to a conclusion, and HE is the biggest loser. That’s my point. There is a reason why 17 year old and 7 year olds fall under the same classification in the eyes of the law…they are both MINORS…that means an adult has the final say in whatever decision. As a father you should understand that saying NO is not always a bad thing regardless of how much that ‘thing’ means to your son. On the same breath (and we agree on this one), you do not want outsiders meddling in matters concerning your child.
@GCollege86: @QC86: The way Selborne responded during this “debacle”, and the way they accept the “prodigal” son back in their midst, seemingly unconditionally, clearly addressing the boy’s well-being as their first priority, is heartening.
They really illustrate what true loyalty is all about. Loyalty can be taught not bought. Selborne’s reaction is actually the only professional act during all this “horseplay”; they acted like one would expect professional educators would, because they are in the “business” of education, not professional sport. Establishing Loyalty is clearly a reciprocal process.
Well done Selborne.
@BoishaaiPa: you did not hear some of the phone calls, there was massive trauma in that kids life,i can assure you
@BoishaaiPa: Simple as that! Purely family decision.
@Playa: He is 17 years old, not 7…He, together with his family made a choice, under pressure or not, we will not know, but they still made a choice. It turned out to be the wrong choice, so why would someone hold that against him? Will they be so petty?..He did not leave the Eastern Cape at gunpoint and did not return there at gunpoint either…I dont see the trauma in this whole saga, but maybe thats just me…
@BoishaaiPa: 100%,but you guys and your old boys that stand for openness and for the true reasons of schooling will need to pull that coaches neck in a bit,or get used to egg on your faces, mark my words
There are only 2 real reasons for moving school…1 is when your parents move to a different town and you have to go along. 2 is when you are really talented and in a very small school off the radar and devoid of any decent competition and you apply to go to a more well known school for better exposure….That is in my opinion the ONLY 2 reasons for moving between schools…and No 2 must be initiated by the learner, not by parents, agents, or other schools!
@Playa: I think that 1st sentence “There’s a poor 17 year old who has burned bridges to re-build” touches an important factor.
Over time parents and their children build on their relationship(s) with their schools, friends etc. Once you break that trust (relationships) it will be difficult to re-build those bridges.
@iRugby: You got it wrong again. It was not Phiwe’s friend who fetched him. At least get some facts right. You obviously know nothing about him and his family to say something like that. And then some people still say “we do it for the kids”. What a joke when some individuals are chasing their own agendas.
So what is your involvement with this boy? Are you the agent X involved? (edited)
@Djou: I think it’s time those smarty pants at SARU stopped turning a blind eye to this madness.
@BoishaaiPa: There’s a poor 17 year old who has burned bridges to re-build. Everyone else has been through the school of hard knocks for decades, they have no more hair to lose. Sometimes I wish my son could grow up and just suck at every sport like his dad…ok…be average like his dad.
@Tjoppa: Difference between recruitment and trading, but in this case (Menlopark) I am with you. I think the bloggers should start digging deeper into what they are doing.
@Djou: I do have a problem with recruitment at SBR level. We are trading with children. If that is ok by you fine. But I do have a problem.
@BoishaaiPa: i have got to know your standards over time,so ja no cockroach comment for you ,thanks boet
@QC86: Calm down having a heart attack on this site will be a first. Although I like it when it gets hot in this kitchen do not want to see you fried.
@Gungets Tuft: Menlopark has unfulfilled aspirations indeed.
I think most people don’t have a problem with recruitment, but when individuals at a school start to degrade other schools in order to convince a boy to come to your school, the term recruitment gets a whole new meaning – not about the boy, but about a school/community.
When you are very very rich, but can’t show anything for all the money spent, it becomes depressing, I suppose.
@QC86: No need am glad other people see this horse trading for what it really is. I believe the more we unite against these practices the more difficult it will get.
@Tjoppa: HIS BREAD AND BUTTER TO F*** WITH KIDS LIVES and yes i am shouting
@QC86: What cockroaches will you be referring to?…I mentioned before that bad decisions being made does not imply the decision maker is bad or had bad intentions. I personally did not think it was the right move and am glad he is back where he belongs and where he feels more at home. Not all of us are cut out to make drastic changes on short notice. This is perhaps a lesson learned the hard way, for all involved.
@Tjoppa: and now i have been told to apologize @Playa: People exploited his families vulnerability for their own gain.
@Playa: Agree have spoken to mr X and he is, not to my astonishment, just saying this is his bread and butter.
But must also say there will be no drug dealers if there is no users is also true. But at the end of day THE PARENTS allowed this to happen. I personally would have gone to jail to make sure my kids were looked after. But selling them of to the highest bidder a big no no.
@QC86: A bloody good example of why schoolboys should be left the hell alone. I have said this before, and I will say it again. Career decisions can be made in high school, but only start implementing them ONCE YOU HAVE THAT MATRIC CERTIFICATE. Goes to show that professionalism has no place in high school.
I can only hope that this is a watershed moment for this type of behaviour. I feel for the boy.
Maybe all is not lost for us dying breeds after all.
@Tjoppa: I take no blame away from the parents who allow this to happen to their kids…that’s where the “lion’s” share of the blame lies. But to ignore the fact that someone looking for a placement fee initiated the whole fiasco is being unreasonable. Someone was going to foot the bill for fees and sundries. Someone presented the idea of moving as ‘beneficial’. Someone gave the parent that option. More often than not a vulnerable parent who has dreams and aspirations for their kid will say YES if the kid (who will most likely be keen on the idea) shows interest. Fair of you to have issues with parents, I do too…but I hope you also have issues with agent x and everyone else who initiated this fiasco. Offer a kid a contract for after school, that’s fine, but this carrot of changing schools being dangled is a fkcu up waiting to happen, and is evil!!!
@iRugby: He made it very clear that he won’t be playing cricket after school,do you honestly think JK is going to throw another R70000 at this project@Tjoppa: 100% boet
@QC86: At the end of the day the PARENTS allowed this. I am glad he is home where he is supposed to be. But have serious issues with the parents.
@QC 86.A friend of Selborne’s First XV coach Piwe went to fetch David at PBHS boarding establishment to drive him to the airport .The ticket was paid for by Selborne,why would his JK bursary be a problem?His WP scholar contract is not affected at all.QC maybe you should apologise to David and his mum on calling them a broken family.
@GCollege86: and you forget to mention all done by the same agent
@Playa: i see the cockroaches have scurried back under their rocks.Typical, when the sh one t hits the fan and the pieces need to be picked up the okes with backbone came out and help.
Just a matter of interest. Of all the Selborne boys that have been scouted in the last 5 years, 60% returned to Selborne within 3 months after leaving. I wonder why that is. Promises made and fairytale pictures never realised?
@QC86: Don’t think you’ll be getting any responses
@QC86: I was at the airport last night when he arrived from Cape Town. I did not have the opportunity to discuss anything with this boy yet because I think he needs all the positive support he can get at this stage. I really feel for this kid. I don’t think all parties involved did their homework, gave the boy enough time to make up his mind and gone through the correct way to make the transiency easy for this boy. It is suggested that comments and pressure on this blog and behind the scenes forced this kid to come back. Absolute BS. This kid don’t even read the blog. He has to face the headmaster this morning and then his team mates and the rest of the school.
Some of the articles doing the rounds were clearly constructed to do damage control and I won’t be surprised if some parties involved were behind it all. Some of the points discussed had so much detail that only a person who was directly involved could have supplied this information. Even though the information was partly true, the whole story was not told. This puts a ? mark behind the credibility and motives of many people or maybe they just very naive of what really happened behind the scenes.
I do believe that he is talented enough to play and be a great asset for WP and possibly the Boks one day. He has been put through enough the last 3 weeks and I hope he settles back in as soon as possible.
I will probably now be blamed for creating sensation again even though my comments up to now was based on facts, emails and information supplied by parties directly involved with this boy. I also believe that this is not the end of the saga.
HELLO HELLO,irugby please present yourself for a snotklap,and as Julius said bloody agent
@Tjoppa: Al wat ek my self altyd afvra is, as hierdie my laaste maaltyd is, sou ek hoender en groente of steak en tjips verkies? Gee my ‘n 4cm prime rib elke keer, sout en peper, 2min op elke kant!
@bhkgpa: Ja ja, byna 20 jaar ervaring in die vleis en pluimvee bedryf, en voer om en by 50 000mt pluimvee verwante produkte ‘n jaar in, so ken die oorsese en plaaslike pluimvee sektore van die snawel tot die poephol, veral my opposisie, die plaaslike poepholle. Gaan werk julle manne eerder ‘n manier uit om die nuwe wetgewing op verlaagde voginhoud in hoender te omseil (van 35% af to 8%) wat September in werking treë, of wat julle met al die fosfaatvoorraad en pekel inspuitmasjiene gaan doen in die toekoms.
So yes i can confirm David Britz is back in his Selborne blazer this morning.Now for the pieces,kid has been crying on the phone for 3 days,i don’t think he will get his Jacque Kallis bursary back and that amounts to R70000 a year,full schooling and hostel fees,what now???? let the bloggers please step forward that doubted our motives and our FACTS,the okes that were naming political parties,i got one for you wakethe**** not all of us have hidden agendas and yes we do it for the sake of the kids dammit.
@Gungets Tuft: I was my whole life scared of getting man boobs which in the seventies was tied to hormones etc being fed to animals. It did not help because at my age 99% of all men have man boobs. Is life not strange the ladies at my age have no boobs, except for old Shirley who had plastics four years ago, and men are getting them. I am sure it is due to all the chicken we are being fed. I am sure.
@Ploegskaar: wel ek weet jy is nie in die pluimvee bedryf nie want dan sal jy nie stellings maak nie. Soos gesê hou by rugby, jy weet bietjie meer daarvan! 8)
@Tjoppa: Steroids injected into chicken???
Millions of chickens produced a week and they have time to inject steroids? Was a time when antibiotics were the norm, against salmonella, but mostly gone now I think. I reckon more rugby players inject steroids than chickens. But then your comment was tongue in chick {snigger} …
@Ploegskaar: Good to see it going well anyway we are the exception we can export if we wish to but the need is not there and the imports as such don’t have such an impact as we have diversified our range enough not to depend on the norm. But there are some players out there who are clueless.
@Ploegskaar: Ploegie maybe you can help. I have had a lot of arguments with the staff and doctors at this place. They say chicken and veggies is much healthier than a decent piece of steak, with 1cm of fat, and chips with of course a nice mushroom and garlic topping. I said to them that potatoes AND chicken are veggies. But with all the water, steriods etc injected into chicken potatoes are the healthier option. Maybe they will listen to you.
@bhkgpa: Is jy seker? Ken jy my of weet jy wat ek doen? Of le jy net ‘n suur eiertjie namens die pluimvee drolle? Sit eerder ‘n paar FEITE op die tafel en nie hoender kak wat Kevin die pupliek voer nie, dan praat ons verder.
@Ploegskaar: hou maar by rugby want jou kennis van die pluimvee boerdery in SA lyk nie te waffers nie!!
@Djou: Loads of unfulfilled aspirations amongst the parents at Menlopark then. What other motivation can there be?
Then again, it’s not the first time I have heard the theme that “money is no object” … but I don’t get it, and nobody has ever managed to explain it to me in a way that makes sense. Must be me …
@Rooibul: Not entirely true – I mean the version that the 3 boys could go to a school of their choice. The choice was made for them.
MENLOPARK has been on a strong recruitment drive over the past three years, but now they are full out on a recruitment/buying spree – telling boys tales you won’t believe.
Recruitment is fine, but when it is done with misinformation, it certainly is not about the boy anymore. Their goal is to become no.1 in South Africa even if it takes buying 60 A-team players. Watch this space.
@BoishaaiPa: It’s been reported on Twitter that HJS Paarl’s 1st team beat the following 1st teams this week:
– RGS Newcastle (England)
– RGS High Wycombe (England)
– Sedburgh School (England)
I’m sure that can’t be correct, as some of the Paarl teams must have been 2nd, 3rd or 4th teams. Perhaps you can elaborate? Dankie.
@ROOIBUL: Eish!
@ROOIBUL – Thats not great news. Other 2 decides to stay then ?, I’m sure Menlopark will claim the number 5 lock as their own cravenweek player, feel sorry for the boy thats being replaced.
@Ploegskaar: I wouldn’t worry about the toppies and mamas in Slummies. He’s their kid. They’ll just have to make sure his brothers and sisters quickly put this behind them. I am more worries about the “lions” to quote iRugby…I hope they would have put this behind them in 2016.
@ROOIBUL: Lots of stories coming out about the boys that went to Grant Khomo. Hier kom n ding … could make the few little EC-WC migrations look like a cup of Earl Grey …
The 3 players who played in the Puma Grant Khomo team and was offered to go to any Blue Bull school. The Number 5 Lock gone, he join Menlopark.
@Gungets Tuft: Thanks for the support.
@MikeSt: Dankie Mike. Ek en BoishaaiPa se nuwe politieke party heet, “Itsabouthekidsdammit”
@Vra maar net: Dankie, vra my net …
@BoishaaiPa: Stem saam want dan hoef jy nie te lieg nie. Maak dit sin ?
@Gungets Tuft: Daar sy!
@Gungets Tuft:
@star: Phooey man, it’s not how many people you know, it’s about knowing the right one. And ou Playa is a Burru boy, he will be coming home. No place like that, and Maritzburru also has some leafy lanes, but we have flowery lanes ook, Playa will be able to make that connection .. gnome sane …
@star: No idea, sorry. My son believes cricket is for people with nothing else to do all day …. so never investigated.
@star: Hahahahaa! Don’t make me fall into the trap and try and go for the highest bidder
As far as the mandate of the foundation is concerned, it is disadvantaged boys. Not disadvantaged in the political sense (i.e. being black), but in the true sense which disregards the colour of one’s skin.
@ Playa-well said. If enough such people keep the line then the war will be won( mostly).And don’t listen to Gungets. I know even more people.
Your son( sons) will be well looked after in the Last Outpost.
@ Gungets- do you know how College approves kids for the JK scholarship and whether being disadvantaged is a criteria.
So, after all the non-stop pressure applied on DB, he is heading back to EL. Mission accomplished for some I suppose, trust he will be accepted back into the fold at SB and treated the same as before…
@Gungets Tuft: Certainly!
@Playa: Can I get the College hierarchy to reserve a spot for your son – say the word – I know people
@QC86: Oh, thought we could sommer load him and his suitcase when we drop the next consignment off. Just putting it out there…
@QC86: I read that as ‘blue balls’ in my first attempt
@Djou: Red Rob is a tosspot. He will not rest until everything is centrally controlled .. broken .. but centrally controlled.
Even more scary is the commercial farming issue, where it is getting so unpredictable to farm (I know of a few that are simply exiting farming in the KZN Midlands – see the news about ou Zoompaaipes nephew claiming 65 farms) that we are going to be relying on Mr Ploegie for more than 10% of our tjikkin in future, we will be relying on him for everything.
Now – where is the Topic Monitor again ….
@Ploegskaar: grant has got a bad case of black ball, so no chance of him getting
threw Tsitsikamma boarder
@star: The best I can do is instil those values in my son, and any future kids I have. And also to live by them by ensuring I do not fall into the trap that some parents have fallen into. To answer your question…no, I haven’t lost faith.
@Ploegskaar: We share the same sentiments. Was at a meeting where one of Mr Davies’ top officials said that the private sector does not know what is good for them and therefore the DTI will force them into what is good for them. I asked him how many of his department had work experience in the private sector (or was actually at some point involved in farming) and his answer was that the question is irrelevant.
@Queenian: Better than ever. They block one supply source and we just tap into another. Poultry industry in SA is the most useless and economically non-viable production sector in our economy. According to SAPA poultry imports, that constitute 10% of local consumption, is killing their business. Apparently it is not caused by overpriced labour, high feed prices (which they by the way procure from subsidiaries) or the fact that our hygiene standards are so low that we are not approved for export to any global destination (incl. African countries). Sadly, our first citrus exports have just been black-balled in Europe, for “black spots” and the same will happen come soft fruit export season. A great example of stuffing up a perfectly viable agri-sector by protecting a non-viable agri-sector. But maybe Mr Davies thinks Europe needs us more than they need us, he will find out soon how wrong he is.
I hope you were referring to poultry imports
@umbiloburger: End of Grade 7
@Ploegskaar: How the imports going.
@QC86: I don’t do stuff, I order people around to do it for me, Master of Puppets. Thought maybe with the agri-background he could slot in here at Boland Landbou. Just thinking out loud.
@star: FYI, I’m sure it’s Selborne and not Selbourne, maybe you thinking about golf this weekend ;-)
@Ploegskaar: haven’t you got a truck to load.His afrikaans a lot better than my engalees.
@ Playa- I hope you have not lost the faith in the true values ( friendship and camaraderie ) of the school system. I see my boy( and I am sure Gungets ,All Black and others) will be able to testify that the relationships currently being forged are as strong as they ever were. I don’t think we must throw the baby out with the bath water. We are looking at a small part of the school population in a specific sector that has unfortunately been given undue prominence for a host of reasons already discussed. In the case under discussion the child was I presume approved by Selbourne to receive the JK scholarship( are you sure it has to be a disadvantaged kid as I am aware of examples where this is certainly not the case). He therefore has already received a tremendous start courtesy in part of Selbourne( together with other advantages of attending one of the finest institutions in the land.) It must also be remembered that as he is a multi disciplinary sportsman he is in a great position to properly honour the institution that set him on his way. Selbourne can therefore only take it personally especially as the Union in question did not require him to move schools. Who is at fault then? I think the scouts must bear the brunt as they in essence can peddle whatever they want to satisfy their short term ends. We don’t have to wonder what was said to the EG parent/kid as the father on this forum talked about working with the Sharks ect if he goes to GW. I wonder if some of the Sharks players are aware their names are being thrown around so that certain schools can seem more attractive.
@DC ARMY: Please can you clarify when Bossr left Dale for Selborn?
@QC86: How’s Grant’s Afrikaans?
@CHS08: Yebo
@GCollege 86 @QC 86 : Is Morgan Steyn starting at 10 for Selborne Saturday?
@Queenian: *Whew*
@apple: flip boet we talking about how this boy has got an agent and offers he was made that he could not refuse and now it’s back to an amateur sport, please read and then add to the blog
@Playa: No not him.
@apple: Ok I hear you. And I guess you didn’t know what kind of background boys had to come from to be awarded the Jacques Kallis Scholarship.
@GreenBlooded: That’s insane, that Refs now need to have themselves and their property safeguarded when they arrive at matches. It means it’s not an isolated incident but common enough to invoke a fixed rule of how refs are to be bodyguarded. Turning refs into a special breed (perhaps they always were
) – kudos that they carry on doing it.
@Playa: My point is that a blog is not the place to divulge all those personal background for the world to see if you truly have his interest at heart. Two days ago I did not know anything about the kid, today I only have to read a couple of entries wrote in anger to find out that his house is broken etc. And the irony is that this is the type of comment you would expect of professional sport, not amateur.
@Gungets Tuft: Brothers for life. We all know the truth behind this one. Smile and wave.
@Queenian: Don’t tell me it’s Chulumanco Mfakadolo!!!!
@Playa: My son says he,s dad just started at VW here so it looks okay. Anyway it helps them a lot as there weak point is there centre pair anyway.
@Queenian: Mmmmmmhhhhh….
Green, if he had strong and involved things that you are talking of, we would not be wasting our time trying to tell you all how wrong this move is, bit vague but the kids read these blogs so bear with me please
@GreenBlooded: That was said from the beginning though. Bad decision for the parent to agree to such things. That was never ignored.
There are millions of examples of parents who do not make their kids’ well being their primary concern. A reality in South Africa. 5 years ago, we had to abduct my 13 year old cousin because he mother, who ran a shebeen in Khayelitsha made her sell beer after school and during weekends and justified it by saying that her school fees and food had to be covered somehow. Great that the beer sales pay for her fees, clothing and food. But is it in her best interest to be at the counter from 2pm to 12am every day?
She now lives with my parents in King.
If you need more examples, I can gladly cut out some newspaper articles and scan them to you.
@GreenBlooded: There is know ways that it is in the boy’s interest that he moves at this age. Zippo as WP have said that it was for after school.
Good old Sammy Gun – still going strong
Great Principle
@Playa: A Dale Under 13A kid has just started with my son at Muir Under 13A since yesterday. Strange.
@Playa: Shouldn’t the boy’s well being be the primary concern of his parents who ultimately sign off on these deals / moves? It seems all of these arguements and finger pointing ignore this very important point.
@Playa: Not to say that Stoops is right he might be but all of a sudden everybody believes him maybe they should actually phone Sammy Gunn at Selborne and ask him then we will have both sides of the story. Also kids do not up and change schools in Grade 11 this takes them out there comfort zone they usually need a bit of in-couragement for this to happen.
To say that Boishaai is the culprit is maybe also in correct because if they had turn him down he would just have gone to another one of those schools.
I think all we can ask is for all Headmaster to have some balls and say “No”
@apple: That’s the problem. A lot of you are clouded by the “what’s good for his rugby career” argument and conveniently turn a blind eye to a boy’s well-being. Of course there are boys who moving schools/provinces would be the best thing for their rugby AND their well-being. I doubt very much that the bloggers here who have ‘parented’ this kid for over a decade are peeved for losing a rugby player. Believe me, Selborne is not short of those. It’s the well being part that is their biggest concern. And QC86 pointing out that he does not come from a well off family is anything but discussing the boy’s personal aspects, because if you followed the discussion, the talk was already about how kids from poor households are targeted. DB’s family background was not a secret mate.
Anyway, I don’t think I have any more value to add to this topic, so let me focus on the College Boy turned College Hater matter, that seems to have made my coffee taste even more bitter this morning.
@Gungets Tuft: As they say…always 3 sides to a story…his side, the other side and the truth.
Off topic – sorry – but well worth the read…….
http://www.sareferees.com/News/ep-refs-back-on-the-field/2830199/
@apple: I only blogged about one boy and yes his personal well being my only concern. Paarl Boys fantastic school, wpri also fantastic, WP rugby I am a big fan so all the institutions he will be part of are great, but knowing his back ground and where he comes from, do I think this move in the 3rd term of his grade 11 year is the best for him I must say an imphatic NO
@Grasshopper: The most random, off topic observation I have seen in a while. I wonder why he would have made the video, to what purpose, other than to make a mark at Glenwood. It must be tough arriving at a new school so late in your career, 2nd term grade 11, immediately being made captain of acquatics (or was it just water polo?) – there are a number of ways of integrating, this would be one of them. There was no ill feeling from the College side – he was probably still mates with all his old BE comrades till he made the video … so be it …
One of the other kids that left with him and the departing master is still best of friends with the College boys. That’s another way of doing it …
@Gungets Tuft: it was just an observation not a dig, but if you want to deal with it with sarcasm so be it….
@Grasshopper: Alrighty then, be sure to post the link to the clip when you find it. It’s close to the end of the season, slow news time, Beet can start a new thread of “Why I left my (alma) Mater”, or perhaps we can call it “The art of slamming doors behind you”. It’s a pity though, how are we going to fill that seat at Reunion Dinner?
@QC86: Haha. It pans out exactly how we thought it would.
@BOG: I doubt if any edition of the Oxford Concise, let alone the “Vrystaat Uitgawe” will be of any use. I think Tjoppa is a bit like me.
When we read English we read as follows: moeilike woord moeilike woord, and, moeilike woord moeilike woord, is!
@BOG: Waarheen kan ek vir jou n kopie van die 1948 Vrede Gazette stuur?
@Tjoppa: “Money will fixes everything”? Waarheen kan ek vir jou n kopie stuur vd Vrystaatse Uitgawe, 1972,- Oxford Concise?
@Gungets Tuft: no just thought he would be more respectful of his previous school, that’s all…sincerely no jibe…was just going through Glenwood videos on YouTube…
@QC86:Most people can understand the disappointment of losing a talented player, whether through injury or transfer. And the creeping professionalism in rugby is both a consequence and a cause of interest in schoolboy rugby. But also plse be honest, no point discussing the personal aspects of the boys and then claim to have their best interest at heart.
@Grasshopper: What would you expect him to say, launch a Youtube appeal to be rescued from a kidnapping ..?
@Grasshopper: Bit of a random comment, or is it a jibe/dig. Sincere request, why don’t you contact him, I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
@Gungets Tuft: sorry you might be on the right track, signal not so good at Haga
@Losbal: I did and I think playa could be on the right rtrack. I have posted my response
Here is some inspiration for the Glenwood boys; http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-rGpvRrMjA
Well Tony Stoops has never liked KZN teams & especially Glenwood, lots of jibes on his site. Not sure why he does….but hey ho…can’t please them all…
@GreenBlooded: agreed, he seems a very happy kid too. I have watched him closely at the school, plenty of mates and banter. What shocked me the other day was seeing a clip of the College boy who moved to Glenwood (SA waterpolo) saying thanks to Glenwood for taking him, need to find the clip…found that strange….
It amazes me that with one phone call to the person that I think is the biggest culprit in this whole saga and to the school that is in a lets cover our arses mode and we want to handout the nobel peace prize. Most of his explainations come from the posts above.
@Playa: You should have heard how the haters reported on the Jonas move up here at the time!! The first time I heard about it, it went something like this: “Glenwood just loaded him onto the team bus and brought him back to Durban – he didn’t even have time to have a shower”. Quite a far cry from what ACTUALLY happened. I was suspicious when I heard this at first – the clue was that GW flew to Cape Town, they didn’t have a team bus.
Still – one has to agree that the move has done young Curtis the world of good. He was a little homesick at first, but I’m sure that didn’t last, at least not as long as any boy, including my own, who starts boarding school. He has played in a Craven Week team, was very unlucky to get a SA Schools Squad call-up and has been signed for a major Union. Would he have made it this far had he stayed at Swellendam? He is certainly a talented player, but I think GW have brought a lot out of him by their highly professional approach to coaching.
@Playa: thanks for the link to the Tony Stoops article- a very good article setting out the facts. Hopefully QC and Vra maar net will take the time to read this article with attention.
@Playa: Tja, well, a very well informed person did tell me that the Stoops article was sourced from one person who might have a personal interest in the case. Not Tony being dishonest, but perhaps just one side of the story. Ohh well, such is life.
@MikeSt: Dis maklik om die waarheid te verduidelik….
@greybearded: I have no idea…
@Grasshopper: I know Dwayne Wessels & Niel Stannard injured, but where are De Wet Bezuidenhout, Alex Jonker, Jurie Burger & Loutjie Steenkamp from Grey ? They are not in the SA Schools Trials squad. Are they being rested ? Grey without 6 of their regulars.
Grey vs Glenwood teams; http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/rugby/kwazulu-natal/rugby-glenwood-team-sheet-vs-grey-college.html
@Ploegskaar: Fair enough
@Playa: interesting, because it was by accident rather than design, as explained in the latest article. On that he has been clear since the day Jonas moved, and has been at pains to explain it to those that have enquired then and since. I can vouch for that.
@Ploegskaar: Maybe I read too much into a previous line in the piece:
“The interesting arrival of one Curtis Jonas in Durban from Swellendam a few years ago was nicely refreshed in Western Cape minds earlier this week when he was awarded one of the R100 000 Sharks bursaries after the Kearsney Festival ended on Monday.”
He chose to use the word ‘interesting’, which given the context and tone of the article could be easily interpreted as being facetious about something that irked him. Maybe I needed to read this recent article to have proper context of the April one.
@Playa: Context, context, context.
“Thirdly, honest little festivals like the Tony Stoops Rugby Festival, to which honest little schools are pretty soon going to stop sending their honest little 1st XVs, if this is all the good it’s going to do them !
Oh, there have been threats of non-participation and I, as co-organizer, don’t blame them. Curtis Jonas: Swellendam to Glenwood; Marquit September: Langenhoven High to Garsfontein, and now King.”
Jonas was only mentioned in that paragraph, in that entire article, to illustrate the obvious point he was making about the possible negative reputation that the TSRF could get.
@Gungets Tuft: I have the most respect for Tony Stoops, and I do not believe he would have any reason to be dishonest. But something boggles my mind…the difference in takes from the story he posted in April re Johan King, especially how he portrayed Curtis Jonas’s move to GW from Swellendam. He seems to have a totally different perspective now…then again…what good is a mind if you cannot change it.
To refresh your memories:
April 2014 –
http://www.stoopstats.co.za/articles/and-you-thought-you-d-heard-them-all/
July 2014 –
http://www.stoopstats.co.za/
@tandemfitarborsurculus: @BoishaaiPa: Julle manne was seker in die politiek gewees op julle dag of is dalk nog…
Welldone met julle verduideliking.
Wonder of Holtshouzen gaan speel by Glenwood die naweek teen Grey en watter span.
@tandemfitarborsurculus: {doffing cap} .. nice. That’s the way it should be. The start of next season will allow the boy to walk down the path to the team he is fit for, same as all the others. From Stoops article it appears the boy expects nothing more than that and made that decision with his eyes open.
Winners all round, except for Selbourne, but it looks like they were going to lose him in any event, through no fault of their own.
@tandemfitarborsurculus: Ek respekteer julle besluit. Haal my hoed af
@BoishaaiPa: If Tony Stoop is to be believed (and why not, he is generally on the mark), then there is nothing to see here. Moving swiftly on ….
We have absolute faith in Sean Erasmus and the rugby committee that no changes in any of the interschools teams will be made for any other reason other than severe injury. (either currently in Boishaai or from another school)
I am less emotional now …
@kcman: For now he will probably play C or B team…definatly not A…Maybe after Interschools when we wind down.
@Vra maar net: As dit gaan gebeur, is die gort gaar. Ek belowe jou ! Die Boishaai waaraan ons so hard werk sal dit nie weer doen nie. Die aspirasies en karakter van seuns is meer belangrik as interskole. Die manne speel vir mekaar. Enige verandering aan n span op hierdie stadium sal die gevolge op en af van die veld moet verduur. Ek is nou emosioneel want ek mag maar wees …
@BoishaaiPa: I really wonder why a star centre like this kid is made a move is he is gonna play in the bottom teams.
@Deon: Hy is daar, want sy Pa werk vir Remgro en het ‘n verplasing gekry. Daar is werklik niks onderduims aan hierdie skuif nie.
Well, there is one version of the truth on Stoopstats…
@Deon: Ek het mos nou die storie by Ploeg gehoor…Ek het eers net gehoor daar is n nuwe rugbyspeler by PRG, maar julle manne doen die ding al lankal grootskaal…bring sommer die Pa ook saam en reel n job!..
@QC86: Forward me the email pls. If this is the case, I would like to take it further via the Old Boys union.
@kcman: Interschools is only 2 weekends away and teams dont get chopped and changed..only through injury. He will not be in the Interschools team, that I can guarentee you.
@BoishaaiPa: Redes wat bloot akademies is of om bloot akademiese redes, of is dit akademies dat hy om akademiese redes Stellenbosch toe gekom het? Verstaan nie werklik wat jy vra nie, maar gesien in die lig van @Ploegskaar: het jy verkeerd gehoor, en hy is nie in Stellenbosch oor akademiese redes nie maar redes wat akademies is.
Jy vra op ‘n wantrouige wyse wat mens laat wonder of jy nie agter die deur staan nie.
@kcman: The father of the above kid did not ,but if you talking about the other 100 comments boy,i think its covered well in the string of posts above.
@QC86: So why did the father move his son to Boishaai from Selborne?
Beet just for information the Valke finals will now be held in Kempton Park Barnard Stadium on Tuesday afternoon. Both Macro and Big schools.
@BoishaaiPa: a week before Wildeklawer was the last time ,and ja will speak to the family and will let you know if he wants to go public.if it was up to me i would tell you on the blog,you know my feelings on this subject.If the father agrees i could maybe forward the email that was sent to him.
@kosie: Then that admin form needs to be changed to have the Headmasters signature on it. The HM has signed agreements about poaching etc, then he had better be aware of the kids walking in the front door. Ignorance won’t be an excuse, it will be a diagnosis of something far more permanent.
Bottom line – make sure you know what’s going on. If you can’t control the applications for admission after grade 8 (seriously, how many can there be?), how poorly are the other controls being managed …
@BoishaaiPa: So if somebody is injured between now and Interschools or he has had a complete loss of form, he can’t be replaced because his pic was taken.
Come now, let’s get real. Hahahaha.
@QC86: I want details..names, who phoned and when. ..I can take this further and stop it in its tracks. Email me BoishaaiPa@mweb.co.za
JUST A COMMENT ON OBSERVATION
I suppose the only time its wrong when poaching happen is when the traditional schools are involved.
Or at least that i have gathered over the past 2 weeks.
When and there a plenty of them boy is poached from a NORMAL day school its all wrong………………………….
@Vra maar net: Die Interskole span is al lankal bekend gemaak en fotos geneem…Niemand stap in enige span in nie. Die nuwe outjie sal eers volgende jaar kans kry om 1stes te speel of ten minste eers na Interskole.
@Tjoppa: My comment had nothing to do with bygones. You mentioned it and I said I knew about it, That’s that. Lets leave it at that. You have previously scolded me for mentioning certain comments. I am a slow learner, but got the message!
My comment had more to do with the left hand not knowing what the right hand does in certain schools.
Daar word die hele tyd gepraat van die Brits laaitie wat HJS toe is. My hart gaan uit vir die seun wie se plek hy by HJS gaan vat. Die seun het 4.5 jaar alles gegee vir HJS en nou 2 weke voor sy grootste wedstryd word hy meegedeel hy gaan nie oor 2 weke interskole eerste span speel nie. Ja ons is in ‘n proffesionele era maar die seun en ouers is seker teen die grond. Sy jojaliteit en harde werk word misgekyk. Ek sal maar altyd vir die outjies opkom.
@BoishaaiPa: He has already,why else have i been writhing kak here for 2 days and EL families receiving phone calls from your sports office.over and out
@Gungets Tuft: I hear you and you make some interseting points.
I cannot talk on behalf of all schools, but can say that accepting a kid with a bursary/ assitance or what ever the latest terminology is, has 2 legs that it stands on. The first is the actual recruiting of the player; this is not done by the headmaster but by another party either in the school or very closely related to the school. Headmasters are informed of these kids and they know of these moves. Secondly, the actual admin regarding the registration. This is done by admin people that really only do that. The admin.
Sometimes the 2 processes run concurrent and this is where confussion etc comes in.
@RBugger: Do not worry first they tested and then taken second sample for DNA duplication. Could not believe the breeding stock you produced.
@kosie: And I presume old Bones will be mentioned in your will for that.
@kosie: I am afraid I don’t buy that, any more than I buy the fact that Glorious Leader didn’t know anything about the building costs at Nkandla.
It’s not hard for a headmaster to give instructions to staff, accompanied by a copy of the HMA and Traditional Schools Agreement, to vet ALL applications outside of Grade 8. No point telling me he doesn’t have time to vet those, there cannot be that many – even 5 a week would be a lot, not tough to look through them, especially since they will ALWAYS be accompanied by a request for bursary. Since bursaries have a major financial impact I would say that he is neglecting his fiduciary duties by NOT vetting them.
In short – that’s a cop out – sorry.
@Pedantic: Good to know they were testing – your boy must be a beast if he was tested twice
@Tjoppa: I know of the decline of admission by Affies in 2012. Let’s leave it there.
What I however do want to say is that Headmasters may not always be aware of controversial moves to their schools. Admissions in some schools are handled by admin staff that do not really know of all the weeling’s and dealings behind the scenes. Kids are admitted and then the Headmaster hears about the move after the fact.
Everybody then cries foul and damage control has to be done but the kid is enrolled, in school uniform and attending classes. Very little the headmaster can do about that.
Where headmasters know of an impending move they can be pro-active and phone the leaving headmaster and discuss the move. When kids just arrive the receing headmaster actually cannot do much about it.
@QC86: Nothing to do with the new coach. An institution with close to 150 years history and ethos will not be prescribed by one individual.
@RBugger: Already too late – substance abuse is rife in the school boy fraternity.
SAIDS were apparently testing 50 players / day at Craven Week – my boy got tested twice
@BoishaaiPa: and when did your new coach arrive.
@QC86: Not sure he will do it again.
@QC86: Money will fixes everything – some believe.
@QC86: Just for info sake..in 2012 Boishaai rejected two applications for 2013 schoolyear from two prominant players for academic reasons, both who already played CW and were SA Schools candidates… You can get my email from Beet and I will give you the details.
@BoishaaiPa: ja sadly used for treatment on horses,nickname WHINNY english name for the sound a horse makes
@QC86: unfortunately it’s not always so black and white. Like most things in life – there are shades of Grey
@BoishaaiPa: Ja, best not to know, luckily, the boy who I have an interest in is not taking the stuff, or at least, that is what he tells me.
Look, from what I have seen – all the guys that I know are taking, look like miny body builders and not rugby players – the muscle tone and definition is just too much, especially at age group level.
Anyway, the reason I bring it up, is if SBR becomes full on professional, the pressure to perform is going to increase and I think substance abuse is going to follow with it
@QC86: Horse Vaccine?…WTF…
@Tjoppa: so there are headmasters around with integrity.should send that man a bells
@RBugger: Eish…I have fortunatly not seen any of this stuff around the boys I had contact with..Some PVM and Herbalife, but that was about it.
@BoishaaiPa: Horse vaccine@Tjoppa: ja choem i hear you,but if some of the educated people involved in a move like this just read beets piece,it would stop.
@Queenian: I do not know if it is that easy. Can anybody enlighten us what goverment schools can do or not do regarding a child wanting to enroll. This should be interesting.
Know Affies turned boys away during 2012 for exactly this reason.
@BoishaaiPa: My spelling may be incorrect, but it is a Steriod, a very effective steriod.
It is not so much a mass/ bulking steriod, more performance. It helps burn fat, gets an athlete ripped and fit in a far shorter space of time.
There was something else on the table, can’t remember the name, but it was a thick liquid, almost looked like sunflower oil – can’t believe these okes inject this crap into themselves – looks dangerous to me
@Roger: Answer to your question is yes turn them away simple as that unless the parents have moved.
@BoishaaiPa: Winstrol – beetlejuice.
@RBugger: Pardon my ingnorance..What is Winstrel?…
@QC86: It is a sad state of affairs if everybody is concerned except for the parents.
@Tjoppa: Steriods are so common in junior rugby, it is scary. On a recent trip, I went to visit a few boys at there flat and let me tell you, their was Winstrel literally all over the place – even on the dining room table from the night before.
I asked why and was told, how can you make it if everyone is doing it – you will always be a step behind.
Some guys get caught – MOST NEVER GET TESTED! It is a fact, in any professional sport, even golf, if every single participant was tested, I could probably quite comfortable say that 60% would be/ or have been on some form of illegal performance drug
Sounds exactly like the KES-SACS story
SACS kid approached at Saints Easter Rugby festival by union
SACS kids parents apply to KES
KES accept full fee paying scholar and advise SACS
SACS and all their supporters jump up and down
KES made to look like devious fiends
Parents sit quietly in the corner
Is it right – is it wrong? Do KES and Boishaai turn the child away?
Who knows?!
@Tjoppa: i have no concern about his performance ,it is his well being that is of concern to me and the people that he has grown up in front of.The rest of the issues i feel figs for.
@Tjoppa: As I said it comes down to one thing.
POOR PARENTING!!!!
@kcman: To shock you even more I got wind of a parent that agreed to steriods being given to a child, withdrew him from his schools 1stxv in grade 12, all in order to be bigger in u/19. If the union is involved I would not know. But I do know he is under contract from a union. So maybe we can involve Ploeg in starting “feedlots” in regions for the “development” of boys.
@QC86: Unfortunately he is subject to some “performance clauses”. Therefore his work ethic will greatly be determined on his results achieved. The evil of money is to be found everywhere.
Wow, this entire story with young David Brits has kicked up a really heated debate.
Is it right what happened? NO
Has it happened? YES
Is it possible to stop this happening again? NO
It is irrespective of what transpired but what has become noticeable is that parents simply prostitute their talented children out to the highest bidder. It is not the bloggers on here faults that these kids move to their schools, it is not the headmaster’s fault that he accepts a talented kid. It comes down to parenting and the poor example parents are showing their children these days.
I would have died for my jersey, I know my son feels the same but how do others feel? Now they sell their kids to a school through a province of which they know little about. Boishaai is a great school with wonderful ethos but so is Selborne College, if WP had said they happy to have the kid complete his schooling at Selborne then why the sudden clandestine overnight move??? Parenting, because they had the final say.
It is as if some parents are so damn desperate that they sell out their kids because they are living their dream through the child, ridiculous behaviour. It is to prove that we can keep up with the Jones’ next door syndrome and be better than them, is this not how us South Africans have become?
In my honest opinion schoolboys should not be allowed to be contracted by unions whilst still being educated but it is these same unions who are destroying the beauty of school rugby, pressure is being put on these SNOT nosed kids to make life changing decisions.
It has also become a situation where every school is trying to win at all costs because of the pressure started by his neighbour.
We need to identify and end the source of this problem because what is happening all over SA in regards to SBR is not good.
@BoishaaiPa: Paarl Boys ,you don’t seem to understand that your school will not have the same values as it used to have with this new kzn pro coach,sadly
@Ploegskaar: Nou wil jy nog ‘n ou man se pret bederf. Ek hou van dinge wat hand uitruk.
@Tjoppa: Nee wat Tjops, ek en hy ken mekaar gladnie en ek beweeg nie in sulke hogere kringe nie, maar het niks teen hom nie en het in teendeel nog net goeie dinge van hom gehoor. Wou darem net die regte feite deurgee voor dinge weer handuit ruk.
Sjoe maar jy is op datum. Maar agent “X” het hom geteken ne. Ek dink ons moet sy kar se tyres bietjie “beskadig”.
@BoishaaiPa: Sy ouers is pas geskei en sy Pa werk vir Remgro, so het ‘n verplasing hiernatoe gekry. Dus het hy gevolg.
@QC86: Is your son fit again to play?
@BoishaaiPa: Wat is sy naam en in watter span speel hy?
@QC86: Now I really think you are taking your argument to far. If you are a headmaster receiving an application and the father told you his son is moving no matter what, would you send him away. And what would he tell the other schoolmaster. The boy is moving in any case but I will not take him.
QC please listen, taking my views in consideration, Boishaai was only involved after the move was signed and sealed. They, boy & parents, insisted on moving immediately. The reason why the decided on Boishaai also seem legit. They could have gone to any school in the WCape. The choice was theirs and they decided on Boishaai.
What more is to be said.
@QC86: I do hope you are not insinuating that Boishaai’s headmaster has no integrity!..Because he contacted Selborne as soon as he heard of and received the application. That I can vouch for. Should he have rejected the application?..That is probably another debate we can get into. If he felt things were not 100% kosher he probably would have, that is why I still have little faith left!
Phone calls from Paarl or from Paarl Boys?…
@Queenian: I of course, dont know how that conversation went, but just to clarify that Boishaai did have the decency to call and clarify the matter. It was probably not a pleasant conversation between two collegues, but these headmasters all know each other so the air should have been cleared. I would be bitterly dissapointed if Boishaai was activly involved in recruiting the boy, but for now, I will be in their corner as a loyal supporter should be.
@BoishaaiPa read the piece beet wrote last night and you will understand what a headmaster with any integrity would have done, he hits the nail on the head.Now to put the spanner in the works, this is not the first time this year that phone calls have been made to Selborne families from Paarl.
@Tjoppa: Don’t disagree that the parents are involved but something or some one got them on that road that I can promise you.
@Queenian: I assure you ,99.9%, that this was initiated by the parents. My sources is very reliable.
@iRugby: What rock did you crawl out under from.
@BoishaaiPa: Try and find out as I don’t believe the Selborne Headmaster just answered the phone and said “that’s know problem at all”
@Tjoppa: I don’t know the family so I can not ask. Would like to find out what really happened.
@Queenian: Why dont you ask the dad. He surely will be able to answer you.
@BoishaaiPa: Beslis.
@Tjoppa: Blykbaar ja…Dieselfde groep, weet nie of dit dieselfde agent is nie!
@Queenian: I do not condone it, of course, but the story I heard varies slightly form the one you have. I also know that the headmaster of Boishaai did phone Selborne’s headmaster. What I will do is get to the bottom of this ..I dont like being played…
@Tjoppa: Ye agree with you but if it was a money problem there people in East London that would have helped.
@beet: Sent you a message have a look into it for me. Thanks
@Queenian: Have spoken to a few knowledgeable people last night. And the only assurance I got was that Boishaai was not involved in at all in the recruiting effort. This change was initiated by the parents themselves. Agent X would have been stupid not to sign this player, he must eat at the end of the month. And if someone ask me which school in the Pretoria I would sent my boy, a biased Affies would be the answer.
So although I am 110% against what is happening I think we are forgetting who is in charge of this boy’s actions. The other parties involved surely also need to take some form of blame. But if I was a take away owner and somebody ask me where the best hamburgers in town is to be found. I will sell him my crappy burger and try to overcharge him if possible at all.
@QC86: Maybe he should send you his address and we can go over there and do I bit of a talking to the fellow.
A friendly chat like in a loose maul type of situation.
@Playa: Meant die hard
@BoishaaiPa: Ook agent X? Ou grote is baie aktief so laat in die jaar. Hoor sy invloed op groep van 56 spelers is 16. Nie sleg nie. Ek dink ons moet hom Affies se hoof maak.
@BoishaaiPa: Don’t support some thing that is wrong you know it is, so does everybody else. Keep your principles high and don’t support this type of thing.
@beet: When a school does not have the common decency to first phone and ask is this okay you have to ask yourself what is behind this and it could have been easy for Boishaai to do this in this case. I would think that a institution like Boishaai would have done this but it was not the case.
@QC86: I always believe that people show there true colours when this type of thing happens and in this case maybe we now know what boishaaiPA is hopefully he is just having you folks on or I have completely mis-judged his character from the start. As for the other fellow he is just a hot head we should beat the crap out of anyway.
@Playa: There are not many of us loyal died supporters left mate that I can tell you.
@Deon: So hoe gaan dit met die nuwe rugbyspeler van Helpmekaar daar by PRG?..Hy is blykbaar vir Akademiese redes Stellenbosch toe…
@Losbal: Verseker, Stellenberg is puik afgerig en speel ‘n vinnige aantreklike game, maar my hart is altyd by Boland en hulle het ‘n jong maar talentvolle groep. Tygerberg/Bosch, 50/50 soos jy se.
@Losbal: I might be wrong but I don’t think Rugby Unions offer anything other than a bit of pocket money to the schoolboys they hope to attract after school. Things like school fees, board, travel, sundries are all covered by the school or a person closely connected to the school or an organisation connected to the school.
Agent X in my opinion is one of the nicest guys out there. He represents some of the best young talent around and many that he deals with will vouch for him, remembering that it’s not a business in which one can please all the people all the time.
I’ve also met QC86 and again nice guy. I think equally many people will say he’s the real deal. He fortunately works in an industry where he can please all of the people all the time depending on the prices he charges.
Sometimes it just happens that good okes end up on opposite sides of the battle. It can’t be helped. It doesn’t change who they are to those that know them well.
Reading some of these comments is very concerning, pro sportsman at schools, I mean really, it is ludicrous. Before long, these kids will have giant sized heads probably ignoring academics and eventually telling teachers and principles to get stuffed, as they run the show and are professional contracted rugby players of the school, u must be joking! Reality is a hard thing to bear for many and when these youngsters one day realize they are going to fall short of becoming a real pro and find themselves with no education, in SA of all places, the pieces of the puzzle will come crashing down. It is evident we are entering a new domain, a new time and we will only start learning once the mistakes have been identified – ie, hundreds of street walking giants who never made it in rugby
@Vra maar net: First you demonstrated your lack of knowledge on rugby developments up north and now you do the same down south. Perhaps you should get the facts before commenting because spreading rumours may have dire consequences. Is that your intention? Or are you still hiding behind “vra maar net?” which normally is associated with the actions of a coward. Just asking?
@Ploegskaar: dink ook Boland gaan te veel wees vir Stellenberg, maar jy weet nooit. Nat veld, paar strafskoppe en Tiaan kan dalk…
Bosch en Tygerberg….50/50….albei blaas die seisoen baie warm en baie koud..hang af watter span opdaag.
@beet: Daar sy!
@beet: you bring tears to my eyes,
amen
@Losbal: Ek het nie geld nie, maar as ek gehad het sou dit altyd net op Boland wees. Dink Tygerberg kan Rondebosch omdop, afhangende van hoeveel van Bosch se beseerdes terug is. As ek nog ekstra geld gehad het sou ek dit op Bosch sit, my gunsteling s/voorstede skool en dink hulle het ‘n great coach, nederige man.
@bhkgpa: I take it you skipped all the other comments above.
@bhkgpa: Ja look I read my comment again. It’s misleading given the context of most of this thread. I wrote:
@bhkgpa: So you’re happy for Boishaai to go about their business in this way? School rugby players arriving at HJS to get paid to do a job.
Not actually referring to the player from Selborne’s situation but rather to your opinion that school rugby should be conducted as a pro sport.
I’ve always backed the view that we can’t argue with a parent’s choice at the end of the day. Often it stems for a dad saying I want what’s best for my son and if I have to move him half way around the country I’ll do it.
However at the same time the prospective new school has a choice as well. Either yes please please join us asap and help us to beat our biggest derby rivals!
Or no son as much as we are honoured that you picked our school, your reasons for wanting to join us are all wrong. It doesn’t fit in with our ethos. We would rather lose that big televised derby to our big rivals who have beaten us for several years now and have the pleasure of knowing that we back one of our own true blue boy who has been with us all along than to accept you into the school for all wrong the reasons. We believe we are a great school both on and off the rugby field and we will continue to be great for all the right reasons.
@Losbal: sorry boet, , not meant for you, many of us don’t agree with the above goings on and kids been moved around the country because of money and pro coaches on contracts that have to win at all costs or contracts are not renewed
@Ploegskaar: We don’t even know what really happened. Perhaps HJS did not even know about the move until the boy lodged his application. To me this all sounds pretty much like speculation.
@bhkgpa: Ek weet, daar is baie van hulle wat baie verder gekom het as wat ek kan droom. Ek sien elke werksdag sulke mense, en hul het my nederige maar grootste respek.
@Ploegskaar: Stellenberg of Rondebosch? Op wie is jou geld die naweek?
@QC86: your school? Sorry mate. No formal involvement with them. But I know the CT schools and rugby set up very well.
Sounds like you have a personal grudge or issue with the man from GW?
@bhkgpa: i honestly don’t know…oeps. I honestly don’t know.
Just remember that the boy had 5-6 choices of schools, he chose Boishaai, not the other way around. Can we therefore assume that if any of PRG, SACS, Wynberg, Rondebosch or Bishops was his choice, they would have come in for the same stick? Maybe time for a Southdowns type of school in CT in future then?
@bhkgpa: all covered above@Losbal: the change in your schools ethos arrived with the new coach from kzn, who do you think started all this in Durban
@Losbal: did boishaai approached WP and asked that he must be put in boishaai or did boishaai approached him after they heard that he is coming to WP? Can we get the truth on this from someone that is not speculating?
@Deon: dean ek weet van baie manne wat baie verder in die lewe gekom het sonder enige wesenlike akademiese opvoeding so moenie die “minder slim manne wat nie kan spel nie” onderskat nie. Van hulle mag dalk nie lekker spel nie maar hulle kan somme maak of hoe! 8)
@beet: For years now WPRU have offered players burseries and attracted them to CT schools. Paul Roos and Gym in particular. The Lions do the same with Monument and Florida. The Bulls with Affies, Waterkloof and Garsfontein. FS state have e.g. Attracted Marcel vd Merwe in his matric year to Bloem and GCB in the same way.
To my knowledge this is the 1st time Paarl BH is benefiting from this arrangement.
Knowing their culture, I can guarantee you that there will be a lot of debate and strong opinions about this new development. Paarl BH have always shared the ethos as described by Toffee above. Maybe the winds of change are blowing in the southern part of Paarl?
I still want to know who this agent, Mr X is.
@QC86: who made the offer? boishaai?
@Playa: who is the greedy adults?
@Deon: dis meer my taal, nou kan ons lekker chat!
@bhkgpa:totally disagree.Professionalism at school should be illegal in my opinion.No place for it.
You are right,moving should be his decision.Not one influenced by greedy adults.It should be influenced by people with his best interests at heart.That’s where you miss the point of this debacle.
@bhkgpa: his words to us was they made an offer he could not refuse, now please tell me what the chances are that he made a good decision with that pressure on him.@beet: please don’t edit my name I never say anything on this blog or any of the other blogs I write on that I won’t say to the people involved directly.
@bhkgpa: regso ik sul pribeer om nit ruppy te chat dis afferaal nit skoollaaities en wie woory nu oor opvuding skole het mus pokol met opvuding uittewaaie nie ons mut eider mxit chat solangs jy my nettie weer Dean roeppie causit klink te veel nadaai bloubul met die lang kinnebak en wille oge.
@Losbal:
@beet: please read my comments and then decide! If he wants to come to boishaai, so be it! It still is his decision and not yours or mine! Do you know if boishaai is paying?
@Deon: kyk as n Paul Roser begin preek oor professionalisme in sport dan moet jy weet ons is in koekoe-lala land.
Haal die balk uit jou eie oog.
@bhkgpa: So you’re happy for Boishaai to go about their business in this way? School rugby players arriving at HJS to get paid to do a job.
@Deon: ag sorry Dean sal probeer, maar sukkel bietjie. Probeer jou rugby kennis hier gebruik asb. Dis is nog altyd n rugby blog nie n akademiese of taal blog nie
@QC86: that i agree with but it is still his decision and he should always make the decision, not us.
@bhkgpa: Behalwe dat jy my met Dean Mcyver Greyling verwar het was dit ok, maar begin maar jou sinne met hoofletters, en “I” altyd in hoofletters.
@beet: did not even mention boishaai, it could have been any school, no problem with that.
@Deon: i see this is a spelling competition for you Dean sorry Deon, then you must a academic and not a sportsman. Well, we need supporters as well! How was the spelling?
@bhkgpa: But is Boishaai a professional rugby institution or a school for schoolboys. And by referring to school rugby as a sport that is professional and like a job you suggesting that school rugby players at Boishaai should there for rugby first and be paid match fees?
@bhkgpa: all of what you say is correct, the point is he could have achieved all that his heart desires in a surrounding that he has grown up in, and when it does not work out who picks up the pieces, and at 17 the chances are pretty good.
@bhkgpa: But sport cannot be, and should not be professional at school level, because schools are academic institutions, not academic institutions in the first place, only academic/educational institutions. Sport is an educational tool.
So your claim that sport is professional means zero, because we are talking school boys here. (By the way, professional word gespel met een Rokkie,een Frokkie en twee Sokkies-P.Rokkie.O.Frokkie.E.Sokkie.Sokkie.I.O.N.A.L)
I don’t know what really happened, who, if anyone is to blame, I am only responding to your statement wrt professionalism. Sport at school level is not about money. You are confusing school rugby and club rugby. “Professional” indicates an employer/employee, contractor/contractee relationship, and money changing hands in return for services (rugby) rendered, and that’s bulldust. It can never be right in a school environment.
@QC Lions don’t lose sleep over the opinions of sheep!
@iRugby: why don’t you give me your number and then I can tell you to your face what a *** you are.
I cannot understand the whole issue with players moving from one school to another. Surely it is their decision based on what they feel they want to achieve one day and how they would like to achieve their goals. Wake up sport is proffesional and like in a job, you move to where you feel you will achieve the most and yes, it can be done at 16. The ball is in his court to make it work.
Hey poephol my name and my feelings of underhanded dealings by idiots is well known on this blog, by the way it’s kei road,please feel free to pop in.
@QC 86 Seems you have a mouthful to say about David Brits’s agent ,it soundslike Boishaaipa knows him.Why don’t you man up and ask his number from Boishaaipa and phone him instead of hiding behind an alias!Tell him your real name is *** the farmer of Stutterheim and the butcher from King Williams Town.I dare you or are you a big mouth chicken hiding only behind QC 86!
@DC ARMY: Are you referring to the Bulls No. 4 lock? Is he Ashton Fortuin or Aston Fortuin like you say? Is it the one and same person? Nevertheless, no surprise he is in the trial squad. Watched him against KZN on Saturday. He is definitely a future 7 in my opinion. Too skillful with ball in hand and too fast for a lock. His try was a gem, the boy is strong and seems to be unstoppable 5m from the try line. Ask the 3 KZN forwards who tried.
@Toffee: I see you’re also part of the dying breed
And oh the boy who will now have to play 2nds again next year…apparently this is when he gets to learn about the cut throat world of business
So sad
@Grasshopper: Toungue in cheek comment?
@Grasshopper: Just had to give you a sly one on the side
I am so against this type of movement between schools playing at the top level. It is not as if the player is in a poor school with poor facilities and coaching.
I am from the old school where players should have some pride in the jersey they pull on. It should be from schools rugby all the way to top. It should be about playing for your (team) mates. It teaches the youngsters some great life lessons and a little more passion.
There is another negative to this, the boy currently at Paarl Boys who was expecting/aiming to play for the first team next year who may now not get the opportunity. He has played for the school for a number of years and has his opportunity taken away from him.
@BoishaaiPa: I have always seen you as an intelligent and fair blogger so i can’t understand why you are doubting what the boy involved, himself has said.I have stated above what was said in the meeting,i know it hurts and goes against what we all stand for but it happens.Good luck to him and i hope the agent gets a gat kramp
@QC86: Well, as far as I know they did not involve themselves up until application and until I have more proof that that is not the case I will give them the benefit of doubt…
@BoishaaiPa: It does not have to rain on the day to make a field slippery and ja if Brugstraat was so confident they would play with what they have and not involve themselves in the above.Sorry we don,t all know as much as you, but we do get around abit,
@BoishaaiPa: maybe he is planning on going to Stellenbosch after school so wanted to get acquainted earlier…
@QC86: Your liberal use of stats to prove a point makes me wonder about all the other facts…The real facts are that 70% of the games is played in good weather on excellent fields…out of the 11 local games played this year only 2 (18%) were played in the wet. Contrary to belief, it doesn’t rain every Saturday in the Cape!..How do you know that there is not a excellent flyhalf and a good big pack on Brugstraat in 2015?..Boishaai is not really known for its smallish forwards!
@RBugger: sorry ,but who cares about what is good for him,money money
@BoishaaiPa: ja ja
@RBugger: In this case the family is sadly very much broken and that is where the jackals smell blood.Big stories of SA schools and playing in the biggest school boy rugby game in the world and of course the SAu20 backline coach spends alot of time at Paarl.What they did not tell him is that 70% of his games will be played in the rain which does not suit him and no Morgan Steyn to set him up,plus a big pack to give him front foot ball which he would have had next year.
@QC86: He has not been involved with the schools’s program since 2011 and is not doing any scouting for the school. That I know for a fact!. His motives are his own.
@iRugby: “Laws are there to create loopholes”- Gungets Tuft
My point is you don’t have to officially represent a person to advise them. Loophole in a law right there. As a financial planner, one does not have to be my client for me to encourage them to sell their Naspers shares, do they? And without a record of that advice, no one can prove I did, but if I helped light up the fire, I am partly responsible for that decision. Not saying that this is the case where Bossr is concerned.
As for David, I am baffled by how when you are on a full scholarship at a top institution – academic, rugby and otherwise – (ok…I have been told that the idea of friendships and camaraderie is a dead concept, so I’ll exclude that), with guaranteed entrance to the WP Institute after school, you would all of a sudden decide to change schools this way. My guess is someone waited for him to turn 16 last year and started piling on the pressure.
But as said a number of times already…no one had a gun to his head.
17 year olds cant even vote, but we accept that they can make such ‘rational’ decisions
@QC86: I had very little doubt he was somehow involved – having a younger brother playing, I know all about this kind of non-sense and child manipulation/parent – especially when the family is not what you would call Rich
@Vra maar net: Praat met my asb of vra jy maar net ?
@RBugger: Speak to irugby *** he is the agent involved,ask him what his cut is.He is the talent scout for Paarl and his hunting ground for years has been Eastern Cape
@BoishaaiPa: I am sure you can understand the frustration – imagine Thomas Du Toit of JL Du Plessis decided to pack up and leave half way through their Standard 9 year, I am sure Boys High would not be very impressed with them.
It just is not on – the schoolboy can get easily manipulated and I do not blame them at all, I blame the instigators of the move! Not saying Boys High is involved, but someone is pulling strings
@Vra maar net: Lees jy bloot soos jou ou gat of wou jy maar net ‘n eiertjie lê? Het genoem die skool en Unie het nie die skuif geinisieer nie, niks name nie. En hou eerder ‘n ogie op jou skapies, sê maar net.
@Playa: Yep, it’s one of my biggest frustrations as an Old Boy, their lack of communication, especially on these issues and in social media. They have a twitter account but not used in about 2 years and their Facebook account was closed. I get they don’t want to get involved with Trolls and arguments, but it certainly can help put out fires. I spoke to the Old Boy Chairman and he reckons that the school does not want to get involved with every rumour, accusation or enquiry or they will spend their time answering to every parent, troll and blogger. All it would take is a one line statement. Glenwood has accepted the application of X from Selborne, in agreement with Selborne & the boys parents. X will be on a 100% bursary. Simple…
@BoishaaiPa: Agents dont get paid until they place a player,simple as that.
David spent 1 day on a visit at the Bulls for a visit like he spend a day on a visit to Province.Boys are invited to various unions to be informed of their after school rugby programs and to show accomodation and discuss their options to study.
@GCollege86: It seems you know the boy personally, so maybe its the best if we hear the reason for the move from himself. I was told it was his own decision (maybe helped along by the agent, who knows) to come to WP, then he applied to go to Boishaai. That was the first the school and coach knew about the move. I would like to believe that is the truth else a very close confidante is feeding me bullshit stories as well!
Be it as it may, the boy made a decision (right or wrong) and he stuck by it. I hope it works out for him.
@iRugby: If that was the case why did he just spend a week with the Bulls or was that just his wet dream.@BoishaaiPa: He has been part of our families and the info we get is from him so ja call them facts.
Seems like everyone has his own set of “facts”…I wish I was so informed as some of the bloggers on here. I would love to know the real facts if the information I have is wrong!
@Gcollege,Playa
David and any other schoolboy player is not guarenteed a spot in the WP Cweek team 2015 as well as WP u/19 team in 2016 but he has signed a scholar contract with WPRU which is valid from now until the end of 2015 and which gives him automatic entry in the WP Rugby Institute in 2016 if he performs whilst at school.Apparently his dream since a young age was to play for WP and he decided to make his move 18 months earlier to be part of the WP schoolsrugby system.What Bossr is concerned he by SARU’s regulations cannot have an agent before turning 16 and I cannot think that any agent will be involved and put his reputation and agents licence at stake for a 15 year old.A friend of mine in King told me that the dad was always shopping around and Glenwood spoke to Bossr and his dad at Wildeklawer already.
@iRugby: I hope you washed your mouth out after talking so much crap.Britz could have done all you talk of from Selborne and was told to do so by WP.Paarl headmaster and Sean Erasmus and poephol agent [for his own gain ] convinced him to join Paarl,and i know that for a fact.
@iRugby: What I have said so far is based on facts and my conversations with some patties involved including governing body and coaching staff. I have also seen the email between WP and Selborne.
Bosser might be 15 but his dad was instramental in his move. The same agent that was involved in the Brits move was involved in Bossers move.
I am not criticizing the fact that David moved to PaarlBH. I am criticizing the way it was done and if it is really to the benefit of the child. He is not a profesional rugby player yet. WP is happy with him finishing his schooling at Selborne. I also think that PaarlBH did not instigate this. The fact that he made PaarlBH his choice is to their benefit. He is a great boy and has spent many holidays with me and my family.
Yes the selborne headmaster was phoned after the deal was done. The CW team mates heard of the move in the first week of the school holiday while at a rugby camp. Some of the others only heard yesterday.
For Davids sake I really hopes it works.
@Playa: Agree 100% – your last paragraph sums it up for me.
And the truth is the scouts can smell a receptive parent from the next province. Wait for the smallest little vulnerability, step up with a glory story, off the lightie goes. If (I don’t know the dad) the kid has a nice vicarious parent tho wants his kid to achieve something that eluded him, then the lightie has no choice, except the misery of trying to carve a niche for himself at his new school. Some style, some just manage, others fail and end up back where they came from by the following Monday morning.
Just had a mate say “stay one tree away” … I know my boy wants that, the oke who told me about the tree had his lightie tell him in a few short words to … er … let him sort his own life out. Perhaps – if Mr Bossr is as described (bossy?), this could be the best thing for the boy. I hope so – 16 year old kids deserve soft landings, not crash landings engineered by “grown ups”.
@Playa: You are part of a dying breed Playa. I am however glad to find old school thinking in a young boy like you. May your voice be heard a long time and may your children accept your thinking as the the right and honorable way.
@iRugby: Not that I am disputing what you are saying but what are the consequences for representing a kid under the age of 16? What are the consequences for schools breaking Boksmart rules – a SARU rule? My point is you can’t dispute this as an emotional outburst when we all know just how dirty a game scouts and those with a win at all costs attitude play.For teenagers to be dragged into it is a disaster waiting to happen.
Not even a fully seasoned professional has certainty of making a team next year, why would a 17 year old think he has a reserved spot in a Provincial side for when he’s 19.
I doubt very much young Mr Britz had sleepless nights being excited about playing for the Boishaai 1st XV at this time last year.
Anyway…to each their own. I have only been a parent for 3 years, what do I know. Maybe the whole idea of a holistic education, where friendships, camaraderie, loyalty and SPORTSMANSHIP matter more than promises of an big, bright, UNCERTAIN futures.
@iRugby: Do you not feel your statement is pro professionalism amongst schoolboys??
How could his dream possibly be too play for Paarl Boys? He has been bred at Selborne College and his only dream, should be to have an unbeaten team with them in 2015.
There are no certainties in life – who says he will even make the WP side in 2016, there may well be a number of promising centres in 2016.
The point here is not after school rugby, it is school rugby and professionalism creeping into what is essentially, an academic institution, rugby being a benefit.
I can promise you right now, this is eventually going to turn bad – boys fall away very quickly post school and many dreams are going to be destroyed before they have even started
@GCollege 86,Vra maar net
I think you must give facts to fellow bloggers and not sensation and emotion.Bossr is not 16 and can not have an agent before he is 16.If David Brits will join WP in 2016 and wanted to move to a school that is Cape based to be part of the WP school structures and of their Elite squad .Who are you to criticize him for doing that?I was told that Brits and his family went to the Selborne headmaster also to go and thank him for everything before Craven Week and to inform him of his move to the Cape.His teammates at Craven Week also were aware of his move.Apparently the Paarl Boys headmaster phoned Selborne headmaster in the holidays and infirmed him that David Brits applied to come to Paarl Boys .So I think Paarl Boys,WP and his agent should be left out of your rumours that is based on emotion and not facts!!Let David Brits live his dream to play for Paarl Boys and WP and support him,after all he is only 17 years old with lots of potential!!
@GCollege86:
Glenwood is the epitome of everything that is wrong with school sports these days.
I realise we are in a ‘new era’ and all that but seriously, its sending a message that loyalty is something to ignore completely. Its the wrong message.
And what happens when the kid doesn’t ‘make it’ and now hasn’t had the best of educations because he only has to go to class for 3 hours a day?
Ridiculous if you ask me.
@Grasshopper: Mate, I am by no means a Glenwood basher, but we have rarely heard a GW counter-statement when such matters/accusations arise. I wouldn’t hold my breath for one this time around either. One of the bloggers once commented and said that that is why GW always look like the bad guys. Then again, innocent people don’t have to openly defend themselves – they are innocent after all, so I will not hold that against GW if that is their approach.
@MikeSt: I don’t defend it at all, I despise it. BUT you need to hear both sides of a story….
@Vra maar net: Jy is darem goed bekend met wat in Boishaai aangaan. Het jy dalk met die seun direk gepraat of met Agent X of dalk met die skoolhoof self?…Ek stel voor jy skakel hom en kry die regte inligting voordat jy sulke algemene stellings maak. Boishaai het nie op enige tyd iets met die seun se skuif te make gehad nie…hy het aansoek gedoen om toelating via sy agent omdat hy na n skool in die WP wil kom. Moes Boishaai hom wegwys?
I hope this info has not already been shared but I have been informed that wro the Jacques Kallis bursary, the following schools around South Africa receive this bursary.
Western Cape: Wynberg,
Eastern Cape; Selborne College,
Gauteng: Pretoria Boys High
KZN: Maritzburg College.
@Gungets Tuft: Thanks for the correction. It’s a great initiative which offers previously disadvantaged kids a chance to prove themselves in top schools.
I wonder if we will ever blog here of kids receiving or leaving for other schools as a result of Academic Bursaries or scholarships, seeing that these are student athletes.
To me the macro schools in the country are all the same, the notion that these boys jump ship beacuse of greener pastures or better opportunites is totally idiotic
@CHS08; I agree with you fully, as much as we can blame schools, scouts, poachers, unions or parents, the final decision here surely lies with these boys and they are the real sell outs, back stabbers, perfect example of this, when all the Dalians were flying of to Joburg, Terra Mthembu and Ace Jho remained loyal to Dale and turned KES down and Mthembu is now playing Super Rugby with the Sharks
@GCOLLEGE86; Not surprised by Bosser’s Father being the key figure in his son leaving, highest bidder indeed, it was the same when he left Dale for Selborne, he is unscrupulous, he still is a regular at Dale Games and the things he say’s regarding Dale are rather R-Rated wonder if he will be doing the same to Selborne, Jerome will be attending his third major school at just 16 years of age goes back to what CHS08 said about loyalty.
As for that e-mail regarding Brits, i’m not reading much into it, it sounds to me as if it was something planned to be said or was deliberately put there to sugar coat this and cover people’s backsides, i am not buying it, it’s too much of a coincidence that the union in question specifically told that kid to finish at his current school, but yet he is now at a school in the Cape. We can wait for facts or the truth all we want, right now this kid left in the middle of his Std 9 academic year.
@QC86; little shit you say
,but yeah, was it so difficult for him to inform everyone involved and say a proper goodbye and give his dead end reasons.
@ Spilly and CHS08; So you guys are saying that Brits is nothing without Steyn, don’t you think you are bit harsh on the boy.
@Queenian and QC86; Seems like you guys and Border of cause lost a real gem in that Aston Fortuin.
@tandemfitarborsurculus: wat nou
@ou ploegman. Na al jou name dropping en weet “wat” in die WP topstruktuur aangaan, is hier nou die bewyse. WP gee nie vir kinders beurse van ander provinsies nie. WP “plaas”nie die kinders by skole in die WP nie. Dit is wel ‘n praktyk in die Noorde. Dit kon ek jou al lankal vertel het dit is ou nuus dat WP nie beurse gee nie. Die beurs kom vanaf Boishaai direk. Boishaai via Agent X. Sterkte ou groote … ek kyk vir jou
@Gold: Maritzburg College is the 4th school.
@Gold: 4th school is Maritzburg College. Not KES according to the website below but PBHS (which is interesting, because I thought they did not do scholarships at all).
http://www.kallis.co.za/content/participating_schools.php
@GCollege86: Yes the Kallis foundation offers one scholarship per year to each of four schools located around the country. In the Western Cape its obviously Wynberg (Kallis’ school), in the Eastern Cape its Selborne (because it’s his best mate, Mark Boucher’s school), In Johannesburg its Kes (Graeme Smith connection) and I can’t remember which is the last school, but it will fall in a different union from the other three.
@Losbal: Hopefully not the same Mr X that’s giving evidence in the Marikana Trial
@scrummie: Thx appreciate your wishes not going to be easy.
I understand the finals will now be on Tuesday only pending SA School trial announcement that is apparently going to be announced only today.
@GCollege86: who is this agent X?
@ MikeSt – thats good news. All the best for EGJ in Beeld Trophy, hopefully this SA Schools wont have a to big effect on quality of Beeld Trophy.
These are very unfortunate sequence of events.
@Grasshopper: Mr G how long you going to able to defend all of this…..
@scrummie: Happy to say only 1 of them left. Big loss to us but Glenwoods gain I suppose.
Sound like this Glenwood U/16s are a SA XV U/16 team ???, wonder if all those boys from EGJ went to Glenwood …
@GCollege86: Well if that’s the case, then Brits “stabbed us in the back”. Yhu!
@Hopper: Same here…should be interesting
@GCollege86: that is your end of the story, I would love to hear Glenwood’s. Always two sides….disappointed if Glenwood really did approach them…
@GCollege86: I’m speechless
Just an update on the Brits and Bosser saga:
Bosser – Parent involved.Its a case of “sold to the highest bidder”. Agent X involved. Good luck to Glenwood because with the kid that is a great boy, come very involved parents. Also pity that all sporting ties between Selborne and Glenwood might be broken.
Brits – My son said all 1st team boys were called in by the coach yesterday. A email was shown to them of correspondence between WPRU and Selborne. In the email it clearly state that WP advised Brits to rather finish his schooling at Selborne. So yes WP is interested in him, but only after school. Copies of sms’s were copied to the email of correspondence between them and Brits. The same agent X involved with Brits. He was told not to say anything about the move until school holidays. He left without half his own team mates knowing about it.
From Beet: I made inquiries and it turns out that Bossr cannot be represented by an agent yet because he is not 16 – SARU rule. So definitely not the same Agent X.
@BOG: nope, let’s be clear it’s very difficult for teams from the coast to go up to altitude and play to their best only being there 24hrs, it’s dry and the air is thin. It’s far easier the other way around, that is one factor. The other is the psychological one, to beat Grey in Bloem takes something special. Many teams arrive not believing they can win, game over. Glenwood have only beaten Grey once out of about 12 attempts, unlikely they will win again..
@Grasshopper: Lets be consistent. You did say that GCB, in Bloem, have a 20 point home advantage. If this is the case with international and all other rugby, surely home advantage must also apply to schools traveling to Durban? Unless of course, there was a mischievious slant in your suggestion- concerning the integrity of refereeing? But now , thankfully, you have put that suspicion to rest.
@CHS08: You chose the exact words i forgot to add to my blog Steyn was the combination for Brits , i totally agree, your words will resonate in the year to come, watch this space.
@CHS08: Agreed, but KES will claim him. Same for BJ Botha, a product of Kloof High not DHS. Marne Coetzee a product of Waterkloof not Glenwood….the list is endless.
@Grasshopper: to me Scarra Ntubeni is a Dalian, Dale taught him everything he knows about rugby, I watch him in his primary school days and at age group level, in 2007 while he was u16 he played 8 for the Dale 1st team. By the time he left for KES he was already the whole package!
@CHS08: and their parents! Shocking parenting being shown there….
@Gungests Tuft: I’m disgusted by these kids’ ack of loyalty to the school that taught them everything that they know! This is how they pay them back? Every1 is making a fuss about schools like Glenwood poaching these kids but people forget that Glenwood don’t force them to do anything at the end of the day the decision ls made by the kid!
I think going forward new Boks should have all the schools they attended listed to ensure they all get credit. With boys moving around so much a few schools can take credit in a players development. So Scarra Ntubeni (Dale/KES)….ngobani Bobo….
@BOG: boggie, boggie, boggie! Miss quoted me there. Grey Bloem seem to have a 20 point advantage in Bloem, it’s an aura thing. It doesn’t apply to all schools. Glenwood are usually very good at home but against Grey Bloem are always underdogs no matter where they play. Having lost by 50 odd points last year it should be a relatively easy win for the boys from OFS. Both sets of players will be well worn out after Craven Week so it’s the team who will recover best and have the least injuries that will prevail. Glenwood have a relatively weak 2nd team compared to previous years so s loss to a key player is a big one! I think Bloem by 20…..then we will hear from the Westville crew how they only just lost so are better…..mark my words…under 14a will be interesting too…
@CHS08: Sounds like mercenary was not a bad choice of word then.
I’m not even associated with Selborne. Well I could say they are our cousin school since we’ve been playing them for decades. I feel like Brits has stabbed me in the back imagine how the Selborne folk feel like????? What does Paarl Boys have to offer that Selborne can’t?! Brits’ age group is a brilliant one all those kids are talented! Mind you Morgan Steyn ALWAYS chows gaps and does all the hardwork and then just gives Brits the ball! I think Morgan makes him look so good! This boy is 17? Where were the adults to advice him? I think his is making a huge mistake! I’m very sad! What’s with the Jerome kid? He left Dale for Selborne and is now off to Glenwood? Where is the loyalty from these kids? I can guarentee every1 in this blog that Brits without the sublime and talented Morgan won’t be as good! Mark my words!
@Gungets Tuft: Kallis foundation award 1 scholarship per year per school. Not sure how many schools involved. Applicants apply in grade 7. Applications screened by a panel. Scholarship covers school and hostel fees from grade 8 to grade 12 plus various other cost.
@GCollege86: How do the scholarships work. Are they at the schools disposal or do the kids get the scholarship to attend the school they choose – and get to take it with them now?
@Gungets Tuft: Both were on the Kallis scholarships.
@GCollege86: My sources say that Bosser was on the Kallis cricket scholarship. Surely going to leave a very bad taste. It’s a fairly sought after scholarship, to dump it ….. eeisch. Not as if you can just replace them, comparable kids have been placed and might not be as mercenary?
@BOG: Forgive me – but Hopper has made one comment so far on this thread and it doesn’t include what you alledge? Am I missing something?
@burra: Well you are the favourites. According to Hopper, you will have a 20 points advantage, playing in Durban
Glenwood vs Grey Bloem. Hopefully Glenwood can upset Bloem, fully behind the green machine
Any idea when squad will be announced, thought it was today.
@Oakdale supporter: Dink net die flank staan ‘n kans om dalk in die oefengroep te wees,..miskien ook julle senter. Die res was glad nie op standaard in hulle posisie nie. Le Roux Baard en Eduard Zandberg behoort ook in die proewe groep te wees. Eintlik het al die SWD manne ” gechoke ” toe die final moes gespeel word. Die twee vorige games het seker almal se tot die uiterste beproef,.. nogal jammer !
@Oakdale supporter: Proewe? Ag nee. Moenie so seker wees daarvan dat Oakdale meer daar gaan hê nie. Dis jammer
@ROOIBUL – One of those players must be number 8 from HTS , that boy can play. Hopefully all three said no. Please keep us informed what happened there.
@GreenBlooded:
@Greenwood @ Greenblooded: Thanks guys, really looking foward to it.
Will be a bit dissappointing if Coetzee and Joubert are not playing, saying that, if no SA guys are playing, Jonas, Tredoux, one of the locks, maybe one of the flanks, could all be missing!!!
@Playa: Ag come on mate!! Why let facts get in the way of a good story…….
Any news on the SA school group?
Oakdale plays Paul Roos this weekend and ironically Oakdale might have more players involved than PR.
@Greenwood: @RBugger: Just received an update: Game is at 12:20. Probably brought forward so that the Grey lads can get back to Bloem before midnight.
RBugger ,Greenblooded
The Lightie says Coetzee not injured but he and Morn’e may miss the game due to SA Schools trials – this may also apply to GCB players
would be great though if both teams are at full strength
@Queenian: Hahahahahaha
BEET – The game between HTSM and Nellies will happen on Tuesday 29, because of the player in the 50 squad that have to play on Saturday in Kempton park.
The Bulls rugby union also made offers to 3 under 16 Puma players in Grand Komo team to join them at any Blue Bull School, and it’s not even PD kids.
Please let the facts speak. Gossip is for tea parties.
@Playa: To be honest, I don’t believe the Union was involved here.
@Ploegskaar: Thanks for clearing that part up.
I just worry that a certain precedent will then be set. There already schools that are known for accepting union recruits, and those have been bashed enough on this very platform. This kid could have been from anywhere, so I am no just peeved because he is from Border, as I had expressed the same concern with the boy that ,moved from SACS to KES earlier this year.But I guess, no one had a gun pointed against their head when this whole thing was decided, so we move on.
The little shit could have at least said goodbye to all the people that have looked after him for the last 10 years.Manners make- ith the man.
@Playa: Maybe in future as everybody just does then own thing Dale and QC should field a combined side there emblem could be a tick bird with kudu horns and the jersy could be black/red/orange and white. And definetly Griffy as the coach.
@Ploegskaar: I personally don’t believe that Boishaai themselves had anything to do with this, I believe the union’s are the culprits here and not the schools.
The only thing I do ask is why the schools allow this to happen knowing what the back ground is that we should ask ourselves.
Boishaai did not recruit the boy, but they may (or may not) incidentally benefit from him being placed there. I understand and appreciate that a few Border bloggers are pissed off with the move, but I know that a few that have commented here know the motives and mechanisms of the move. Either have the balls to state those here, or rather say nothing, but at least have the courtesy of making it clear that Boishaai was not involved in identifying or approaching the boy at any stage, as that is a fact that you are very much aware of.
@Queenian:
Oh well…here we go
@RBugger:
let’s wait for the facts mate, you might get some people worked up.
A version I heard was that Boishaai was not involved, they were just a beneficiary of a WP endorsed move.I have my opinions on such as well, but I will wait for the truth to come out.
@BoishaaiPa: Border rugby is in shambles, no doubt, but schoolboy rugby isn’t…well not yet…at this rate, it will be a joke in a few years.
How sad it will be when the likes of Dale, QC and Selborne become ‘has beens’ of SBR in SA.
No offence against Glenwood or Boishaai, but just to throw a small thought out there, perhaps Boishaai will start recruiting as a former GW coach is now the Booishaai Coach – not trying to stir, but the thought just came to mind!
@Queenian: and funny is not always wrong!…It’s just…funny!..
This would be rather unboishaai like. The truth will stop the gossip …
@Queenian: What???
OMG! I hope they bunked school just for the day. The Border region is becoming a shopping center for these “poachers”. No man! 
@spilly: Well said mate, I agree 100%. Selborne is as good as any other “Top” school in SA.
@GreenBlooded: Does your comment mean a bigger than 20 point margin advantage, Hopper says a home side has as an advantage? Anyway, looking forward to the side at (hopefully) full strength again and playing in blue jerseys
@GCollege I totally agree, what adult advise, if any did the youngster receive, let alone his support structures , his Rugby combinations,have been developed at Selborne. Many a time, Morgan Steyn, has made Brits shine, creating for him.Doubt, Paarl Boys, will have the same talent.Let us not forget what sporting talent has come from Selborne Andrews Vos , Russell , Boucher, Scheckter, Jonty Skinner too name a few. The grass is not always greener on the other side, Selborne is just as good,even beter, than any other school these scouts have to offer ,please leave our kids where they are.Comming from Selborne opens the same doors as Paarl and Glenwood
@BoishaaiPa: Agree lets get the truth out first but usually what looks funny smells funny.
@Queenian: Maybe because Border rugby is rather in shambles and this has nothing to do with any of the two schools involved?…Lets wait for the truth before you get the posse and ropes out!
@RBugger: A lot of unanswered questions in this case. I know the boy’s personal circumstances and I personally believe its not in his best interest. His support structures, friends and family is in East London and at Selborne.
I am vary concerned that when agents get involved, the last thing they worry about is what happens to the boy after he moved or don’t make a team or get injured. The parent, his mom is not moving to Cape Town.
@Playa: I hear that there might be a total of 5 Border GK week players possibly gone which is scary.
David Britz that is really shocking I think we should all get on our horse and go and hang somebody for this, really how is this type of thing allowed to happen.
I hear via the Grape vine that 2 QC boys one from Grant Khomo week and one from the Academy week were not back at Queens this morning not sure if that is true or not but were there is smoke there is fire.
@RBugger: Those days are gone now mate. We’re in a different era now, and as much as a lot of us disagree with how it’s going down, we will soon have to accept that this is how things are going to be
@Knight_CHS07: Jerry already contracted to the Bulls, doubt he would go anywhere now. As for the Dalians…I am cringing
@GCOLLEGE86: Ja look, this is a real problem now. He is a Standard 9 pupil and should not be allowed to move, unless of course, his parents move and he leaves due to that sort of reason, I can understand that.
But what we are talkign about here is full on professionalism amongst babies really.
It is quite scary actually, as sooner or later, these okes are going to think they are professional players and stop worrying about their academics. There can only be so many pro players post school, that is what these guys are too young to realise.
I also thought I would be a Bok after school, but you soon realise, you are one of millions who feel the same way – no education spells disaster in the long haul.
It is sad, no pride for the school anymore, that was the first thing we learnt in Standard 6 – I would not ever have wanted to leave my school after watching the 1st teams play from standard 6, the pride you felt and the amount of work you put in to get there one day – all seems to be fading now
@Knight_CHS07: Hope so. I witnessed scouts speaking to 4 of the boys at Academy Week. We will have to wait and see if they playing this Saturday.
In what grade is david ? Is his parents moving to the cape ?
@RBugger: Yes, the inside center. Many meetings and speculation on his move this morning. It only came to light two weeks ago but clear indication that everything was planned by the parties involved a while back already. Might even end up in legal disputes regarding bursaries ect. I believe a media announcement will follow soon after some of the facts has been confirmed.
@GCollege86:
oh my…! I hope all the Dalians and Jerry made it back 
, we can’t afford to lose more players.
@RBugger: Not sure. I think this is the best chance Glenwood will have of beating Grey in many a year if they have a full strength team.
@GCollege86: Eish! Double blow
@Greenblooded: Thanks man, looking forward to it – hope Coetzee will be playing, heard he is injured??
@CCollege86: As in David Britz, the centre?? If so, sad for Selborne, he is going to be a great player next year
@DC ARMY: Let’s see how much flak Paarl Boy’s cops for that. If it gets into double figures percentagewise of what GW normally get I’ll fall off my perch!!
@Playa: That is what I have heard and I would also really like to see this game – could be a cracker of a game!
@DC ARMY: Yes David left for PaarlBH and Jerome Bosser, u16 Selb and Border captain left for Glenwood.
@RBugger: 15:30. Norman Toerien to referee the encounter. He did a great job of the College – Westville match a few weeks ago.
@RBugger: Is it being televised? That’s one game I would really love to see.
@Playa: hahahahahahaha
Anyone know what time the GW-GREY game kicks off?
@DC ARMY: Seems like it.
Did all our players arrive for assembly this morning?
Speaking of Selborne has David Brits really left for Paarl Boys?
@beet: That’s correct beet.
Hopper
if you look at the long term weather forecast substantial rain is forecast for Saturday PM – seriously – maybe some early snow and sleet around Harrismith Ha ha – If we do have this bad weather this could even things out a bit ………….
@QC86: Sure no problem. Next week it’s Selborne vs Queen’s…i’ll be there
@Knight_CHS07: Thats right.Hudson v Selborne
@Queenian: && @beet: Selborne is playing Hudson Park this weekend, at Hudson Park.
Back to the grindstone with a game against Grey Bloem, doesn’t get any easier….
@beet
PBHS plays Menlo Park this weekend on Brookes
@Queenian: I have
02/08/2014 Dale St Andrew’s
09/08/2014 Dale Selborne
16/08/2014 Dale Hudson Park
23/08/2014 Queen’s Dale
Has it changed?
Are Selborne and Dale not playing this weekend.