u18 Craven Week 2013: players who played u13 Craven Week

This is interesting and probably not a complete exercise either due to time constraints and human error. An analysis of 352 first choice under-18 Craven Week players from 16 regions namely Boland, Border, Blue Bulls, EP, EPCD, Free State, Griffons, Griquas, KZN, Leopards, Limpopo, Lions, Pumas, SWD, Valke and WP reveals that only 66 played under-13 Craven Week in either 2008 or 2009. So for now that is just ±19%. Incredible when one thinks of the emphasis placed by high schools on recruiting under-13 players.

List of under-18 Craven Week 2013 that played under-13 Craven Week as well.

# TEAM CW no. NAME SCHOOL TEAM CW no. NAME SCHOOL
1 Boland 12 Chemandré van Schalkwyk Swartland KZN 6 Njabula Gumede Maritzburg College
2 Boland 14 Mishaun Arendse Schoonspruit KZN 8 Daniel du Preez Kearsney
3 Border 5 Robert Lyons Selborne KZN 13 Matthew Reece-Edwards Kearsney
4 Border 7 Jedwyn Harty Selborne KZN 16 Tristan Tedder Kearsney
5 Border 11 Jerry Danquah Queens KZN 22 Corné Vermaak Glenwood
6 Border 13 Somila Jho Dale Leopards 8 Tiaan Bezuidenhoudt Rustenburg
7 Border 14 Lilitha Jonas Queens Leopards 13 Markus Coetzer Bergsig
8 Bulls 5 RG Snyman Affies Leopards 19 Jaco Swanepoel Schoonspruit
9 Bulls 8 Salmon Van Huyssteen Affies Limpopo 1 Malesela Mabokela Ben Vorster
10 Bulls 20 Ivan Van Zyl Affies Limpopo 12 Jean-Pierre van Wyk Louis Trichardt
11 Bulls 22 George-Lee Erasmus Garsfontein Lions 6 Dwayne Pienaar Monnas
12 EP 5 Stefan Ebersöhn Grey HS Lions 9 Hamer Esterhuizen Monnas
13 EP 10 Ernst Stapelberg Framesby Lions 13 Godfrey Ramaboea KES
14 EP 11 Keanu Vers Grey HS Pumas 3 Conraad van Vuuren Nelspruit
15 EP 12 Luan Nieuwoudt Nico Malan Pumas 5 Michael Basson HTS Middelburg
16 EP 16 Arno Lötter Daniël Pienaar Pumas 7 Daniël Maartens Nelspruit
17 EP 20 Matthew Alborough Grey HS Pumas 9 Rowan Gouws HTS Middelburg
18 EPCD 8 Luigy Van Jaarsveld Marlow Pumas 12 Helgaard Viljoen Nelspruit
19 EPCD 12 Peet Schoeman Marlow Pumas 19 Tristan Jooste HTS Witbank
20 Free State 2 Andrew du Plessis Grey College SWD 1 Juandre Dique Oakdale
21 Free State 3 Ruan Kramer Grey College SWD 2 Marne Botha Outeniqua
22 Free State 6 Refiole Rampeta Louis Botha SWD 3 Stefan Grundlingh Outeniqua
23 Free State 7 Marius Louw Grey College SWD 5 Eduard Zandberg Outeniqua
24 Free State 10 Julian Delicado Grey College SWD 12 Warrick Gelant Outeniqua
25 Free State 15 EW Viljoen Grey College SWD 13 Douw Schoeman Outeniqua
26 Free State 18 De Wet Bezuidenhout Grey College SWD 15 Hennie Barnard Outeniqua
27 Griffons 7 Gerrit Otto AHS Kroonstad SWD 20 Maurice White Oakdale
28 Griffons 10 Shaun Reynolds Goudveld Valke 2 Pieter Jansen EG Jansen
29 Griffons 15 Sechaba Matsoele Bethlehem Voortrekker Valke 8 Mornè Swart EG Jansen
30 Griffons 21 Riaan Pretorius Hentie Cilliers Valke 9 MJ van Vuuren Transvalia
31 Griquas 3 Doctor Booysen Noord-Kaap Valke 19 Eddie Mlotshwa Kemptonpark
32 Griquas 9 GM Bruwer Noord-Kaap WP 10 Dennis Cox Excelsior
33 Griquas 13 Dimitrio Tieties Noord-Kaap WP 11 Dewald Naude HJS Paarl

20 Comments

  1. Question is, why is there such a low conversion rate? Is it because the other boys in the team develop better? Complacency? Coaching? Or is it the continuous recruiting of players by schools in U15 and U16

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  2. The reason for this is very clear – boys develop at different rates – when you are 95 KG at U 13 it is a huge advantage but I know of many boys who just seemed to grow earlier than others while some just continue to grow steadilly . Size does matter and is even more important at the lower age groups as the ” fear factor” also comes in then . When the boys are 17 and 18 it is normal to see a scrum half putting a No 8 on his ear but not so in the jnr ranks . That is why rugby is such a great game – it all evens out in the end and remember at the end of the day its not the size of the dog in the fight -its the size of the fight in the dog !!

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  3. I don’t think that the conversion rate from U13 CW to Grant Khomo is not much better, and that is only 3 years.

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  4. The u/13 Cravenweek is not an indicator of the real talent in that age group anymore, so sad , but by the time the boys are 16 then the playing field is fairly even as far as size is concerned. I would rather field a team with “pitbull” in them than size,.. a player of size takes one crash tackle then he realize there are small monsters with big hearts out to get him. I have witnessed this so many times before. Unfortunately the knowledge of primary school selectors are biased towards size,..also one of the reasons I dont rate primary school CW at all,..it’s become a joke.

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  5. Beet, what would be interesting is a stat showing how many of these boys play for the same province that they played for at Under 13.

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  6. @Playa: Most of them did.

    Offhand I remember Luan Niewoudt, Julian Delicado, Douw Schoeman (Border) and Hennie Barnard being from different provinces.

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  7. @Beet: A very interesting statistic. I’ve said it before and I will say it again. Just shows again why recruitment at u.13 level is the wrong way to go. A more interesting stat would be the pass through rate from u.16 to u.18-level. We all know at u.14 level teams who recruited the big u.13 Craven week boys normally win their games by huge margings, but it levels out at u.16 level. One specific school in Pretoria recruits the big u.13 Craven week players, but when they get to play first team five years later, the school is missing in the play offs. Already their strong (full of Craven week hostel accommodated) u.14 team of last year struggled to beat their opponents this year whilst their almost unbeaten (full of Craven week hostel accommodated Beeld trophy finalists) u.15 team of last year only managed to finish 3rd in the Blue Bulls u.16 league this year.

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  8. @bhkgpa: Sover ek onthou was Hennie by laerskool grens en Grens cw gespeel. Eers st 6 Outeniqua toe.

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  9. @bhkgpa: There is no record of a SWD u13 Craven Week player named Hennie Barnard.

    There was a Hendrik Barnard who played for WP u13 in 2008 but perhaps these are 2 different Hendrik Barnards and Hennie’s name should removed from the list of 66 players above???

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  10. @beet: the Hennie that are currently playing for kwaggas and SWD was in Outeniqua primary school and is not from WP

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  11. Greenblooded, there is a ruck just outside a defending sides 25, the defending scrum half picks up the ball which is outside the 25, and at the time has one foot inside the 25 and one foot out, is he on or out of the 25 and on that basis can the flyhalf kick the ball directly out?

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  12. A major influence is also what school did the boy attend during his schoolboy years. In Pretoria @ u/12 the week is bias towards a certain area/suburb. It changes at u/13 and so on and so on. These stats just show the clever parents. Until all politics in SBR is removed Craven Week will be used to enhance the image of the school’s in charge of that certain age group’s coaches and selectors.

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  13. Hi beet.
    I know you had some stats on Sprongboks wo had played U18 CW – any idea how many Boks were at the U13 CW?

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