From Kynoch Noord-Kaap
Kynoch Northern Cape was of to a slow start and after just 15 minutes Kearsney was leading by 15 – 0. The Kimberley boys at this stage hardly ever touched the ball. The Durban side tried to speed up the game and they were really testing the Kimberley sides’ defence.
After about 20 mins the Kimberley side slowly took control of the game and their big forwards was running hard at the opposition. Their first points came after a brilliant period of play keeping the ball in hand for more than two minutes, some straight running from Lottering saw the Kimberley side score their first try, Hufke converted. Shortly after the first try the Northern Cape side stole a Lineout from Kearsney and Gerhard Holtzhausen and Cleo Adams cut the defence of the Durban side, Cameron Hufke finished a great movement with a 60 meter try and converted his own try. The score was now 14 – 15 for Kearsney. Northerns continue to step on the accelerator and scored two quick tries, both tries were created by some brilliant play from their backline. Cleo Adams scored first and shortly after that Zayne Farmer, Hufke converted both. Halftime score 28 – 15 for Northerns.
Thirty seconds after halftime Northerns ran in another quick try scored by Rian Kotze and Hufke converted. The score 35 – 15 for Northerns. At this stage it looks as if Kearnsey was going to get a big hiding. The Durban side started to fight back and gain their rhythm again and more than once came close to the Northerns try line but were unable to dot down. Eventually Kearsney scored a try to take their total to 22 points. After a scrum for Kynoch Lottering attacked the advantage line well and off load to Adams who scored another great try which Hufke converted. Kynoch was now leading 42 – 22.
In the dying moments of the game Northerns got awarded a penalty and try to run from their own goal line but a handling error saw them called back for a scrum. They got penalized and the scrum and Kearsney chaptalized on this to score the final try of the day. Hufke, Farmer and Adams were brilliant for the Kimberley side and Holtzhausen got awarded Man of the Match. Final score 42 – 29 for Kynoch Northern Cape, they will play Transvalia Monday morning at 09:00.
For Kearsney flank Tristan Dixon and centre James Tedder stood out with performances that described as making them strong KZN Craven Week contenders.
Kynoch Noord-Kaap try scorers: Adams 2, Lottering, Kotze, Farmer, Hufke. Hufke converted 6 from 6.
Kearsney scorers: Mitchell Nesbitt, Joshua van Vuuren, Tristan Dixon. James Tedder landed 3 conversions and a penalty
@Grasshopper: I’d have thought 9 is more than would be expected under normal circumstances unless they are particularly slow academically in that part of the world.
What would also be interesting is where the 9 play. IMO a year can make a significant difference in the pack between 18-19 especially if they are getting semi pro conditioning. Look at how the contracted guys develop in their U19 Currie Cup year.
@meadows: so 9 is excessive?
I had a look at some of the team lists for some of the upcoming Easter festivals and most schools have either none or between 1-3 U19’s in their squads.
Paarl Boys, Grey College, EG Jansen, Nelspruit, Glenwood, Selborne, SACS, Hilton and st Johns have no U19’s.
Affies, Garsfontein, westville and Kearsney all have one;
Paul Roos and Monna’s have 3 each.
@akw:
@Grasshopper: I started age 6 turning 7. In my matric class in 2000, out of 81 boys only 3 were born in 1983 (who would have started at 5 turning 6), about 5 were 1981 boys, and the rest of us 1982, and a few .The vast majority of my first year varsity classmates were turning 19 in 2001 ( I only know because I had to attend a sh#t load of 21st birthday parties in 2003).
In the black community back in the 80s, only teachers’ children used to start at age 5 turning 6….True Story.
@Playa: That is crazy, I started class 1 aged 5 turning 6…
@Kbypa:
(ii) grade 1 is age five turning six by 30 June in the year of admission.
(a) The same act specifies that “schooling is compulsory for all South Africans from the age of seven (grade 1) to the age of 15, or the completion of grade 9”. I was not aware of the sub-section you have just quoted still existed – my apologies. My son is a March 2011 baby, and I could only apply for grade R admission for 2016. None accepted applications for 2015. My guess is either it is not compulsory to start grade 1 in the year a child turns 6 or Cape Town schools are just plain fussy.
(b) Technically we are both correct. Turning 6 by 30 June, which means children born from 1 July get to start in the year they turn 7.
(c) My contestation was that it not illegal to have a child turning 8 in a grade 1 class. I am personally facing that possibility…school readiness tests is what they are called. A kid born after 30 June will start grade R in the year he turns 6. If deemed not ready for grade 1 the following year and has to repeat grade R, he will start grade 1 the year he turns 8.
@Westers: You’re right, that part of my statement isn’t completely correct. I should have mentioned that there are exceptions where a child could be held back due to special circumstances. But they are exceptions. My apologies for that.
@Westers: However, to get 9 of these exceptions is unlikely, it seems Noord Kaap have built a nice team of these sorts of older kids…
@Westers: Marne Coetzee is a case in point, held back a year due to either an eye or ear condition as a kid, with doc papers to prove it. He was Under 19 in matric…
@Playa: From the South African Schools Act No. 84 of 1996, as amended in 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2011.
5. Admission to public schools.
.
(4) (a) The admission age of a learner to a public school to—
(i) grade R is age four turning five by 30 June in the year of admission;
(ii) grade 1 is age five turning six by 30 June in the year of admission.
(
b) Subject to the availability of suitable school places and other educational resources, the Head of Department may admit a learner
who—
(i) is under the age contemplated in
paragraph (a) if good cause is shown; and
(ii) complies with the criteria
contemplated in paragraph (c).
(c) The Minister may, by regulation, prescribe—
(i) criteria for the admission to a public school, at an age lower than the admission age, of an underage learner who complies with the criteria
@akw:
@Playa: Then people in Kimberley is having a LOT of sex in March and April….
@Kbypa: Your comment is grossly inaccurate.
By law, it is recommended that a child starts school in the year that they turn 7. A child CANNOT ANYMORE (since 2006 I think) start in the year they turn 6. Only under extraordinary circumstances and with the approval of the department can the do so.
Further to this, some parents whose children are born late in the year (e.g. November or December months), choose to start their children in the year they turn 8, which after passing every grade, will make them 19 in matric. This IS NOT Illegal.
@Kbypa: To say that “every single schools rugby player who is 18 years old when his matric year starts, must have failed at least once…” is not correct. Kids can be held back for other reasons, especially when still in junior school.
@Ploegskaar: good point, but that was the good old days when ‘boys’ plugged a few years just to stay back and play 4 seasons in the 1st team. Nothing was regulated, which was actually quite good. Now, everything is over regulated, including the ruck laws. I would love to know what Wahl Bartmann thinks of the current ruck laws. However, now days with so much at stake regarding results playing that many under 19’s is definitely an advantage…
@Ploegskaar: valid comment
@akw: Nou toe dan, geniet die tee en maak vrede met die ouderlinge, hulle is hier om te bly vir nou
@Pedantic: More square than round for now, but if I cannot curb the love of the good red stuff, fat boy it will be in a year or five. I profess nothing Sir, apart from having followed school boy rugby many years, so certainly not the equal of the doyan of KZN SBR. Without ties or affiliations that is, just to qualify. Do come from an era where we played many 19 and 20 year olds, they were mostly just older, not better, and have just seen too many times that good enough is old enough. And never sour if we lose against older boys either, just a school boy game after all, no significance in the bigger picture either.
@Ploegskaar: Bly om dit te hoor….
Ek het niks teen ‘n kind wat U19 is in Gr12 nie, my suster se kind was verlede jaar in die situasie na hy op 7 koshuis toe gegaan het en dit was vir hom sleg om na 2 jaar se Cravenweek dit nie in Matriek te kon bywoon nie.
Dit het net my oog gevang dat N-Kaap baie meer het as ander spanne, so of hulle akademie is beroerd of dit is iets anders.
@akw: Geen onsekerheid nie, nog altyd gemaklik met myself, maar toegegee, kon my irritasie met herhaaldelike bysake beter uitdruk. Steeds, o19 spelers is ‘n realiteit, en pappas, ooms, afrigters, kwasi-afrigters en die wat nou kicking tee aandra moet vrede maak, speel wat voor jou is.
@BOG: The only way a kid can be under 19 in matric (in other words 18 years old when he enters matric) is if he has failed at least once. By law, a child must go to school in the year in which he turns seven (it is also allowed that he may go in the year in which he turns six). A child who turns seven in grade one, and passes every grade, will turn 18 in matric. A child who is 18 years old when he enters matric, either failed a grade, or illegally went to school a year too late. In other words, every single schools rugby player who is 18 years old when his matric year starts, must have failed at least once…
@Ploegskaar: No fatboy, it has to do with recruiting older players at a late stage with the express purpose of gaining an advantage.
If you are as rugby educated as you profess to be, you would understand there is a massive difference between an U17 player and an U19 player. Most teams have a mix of U17 / U18 with the odd U19 – the team in question has the majority of U19 players – many of whom played representative rugby for other provinces.
If you can’t see the imbalance then you obviously have no clue.
IMO they should be winning games by 80+ with that team.
@Ploegskaar: Ek weet ook wat jy is en kry jou jammer dat jy jou onsekerhede hier moet kom uitleef deur ongeskik te wees met mense wat jy nie ken nie. Jou herhaaldelike onsmaaklike verwysings na mans en vroue geslagsdele dui daarop dat jy ambivalent is oor jou seksualiteit of baie lank laas enigsins intiem was met ‘n ander persoon. Ek is jammer ek was ongeskik, jy verdien my simpatie.
@akw: Agter ‘n rekenaarskerm? Meeste hier en elders weet presies wie ek is, nog nooit nodig gehad om weg te kruip of iets weg te steek nie, so sit seun
@Ploegskaar: Ek kan jou verwys na ‘n dokter wat jou kan help met hierdie neiging van jou om ‘n hardekoejawel agter ‘n rekenaarskerm te wees, maar met jou emosies gedurende jou maandstonde kan ek nie help nie.
@akw Eerder ‘n gekloek wat sou pas by pastorie tee, Tannie, maar trek op jou hangtiete en kners en ween gerus aan, het in elk geval nie met jou gepraat nie, en as jy voel ek het met jou gepraat, nie my skuld dat jy moet sit en piepie nie
@Ploegskaar: Sorry to bother you while you are stroking your enormous penis while washing down the raw red meat you are eating with mampoer, but this was a civil exchange of opinion until you voiced your esteemed opinion.
@BOG: It only matters to scared pussies trying to protect their records, results, reputations or whatever those with kleinpielie-syndrome deem important. The same wankers will soon complain that the opponents have too many u17 players, good players, tall players or ugly players as well. Whining cry-babies will always welcome the opportunity to moan, as we have seen on the busiest two threads today
Is there really such a big difference between under 18s and 19s? Fact is that SA schools at “open” level is under 19 throughout the country, while CW is an U18 tournament. Goodness me, in my days, someone played until he finished school. and providing the coaching was up to standard, no one was injured. And many kids end up U19 in matric, and not because they failed.
@upcountry: yeah, no wonder our clubs are battling, they not get the youngsters coming through. These under 19 guys are staying back to be ‘bigwigs’ in a small pond and get the glory 1st team rugby players get. Also by looking good at school level they might get noticed by scouts and given provincial contracts. For me they should be at clubs playing vs men. There are some genuinely under 19 matrics, but a line must be drawn somewhere. If they couldn’t make 1st team in grade 11 as an under 18 they shouldn’t get a 2nd chance!
@Grasshopper: I Agree. U/14 boys in grade 7 has to go and play in a u/14 team at a highschool (well thats how it worked upcuntry when i was still involved)
Surely with this u/16 not allowed to play u/19 boksmart thing and with craven week being u/18 logic dictates that an u/19 player in grade 12 should be playing u/19 club rugby because technically he should be u/19 at varsity(where there is only u/19 and u/21 teams for age groups)
Maybe it could also help to establish a culture of youngsters not going to varsity to return to clubs??
Gosh, like when Noord Kaap were Top 10 a few years back they had about 10 Under 19’s, it’s like a Varsity side. There really should be a max limit of 3 maybe OR in my opinion none. If Craven Week is Under18 what can these boys achieve bar smashing other schools to bits with older boys….doesn’t seem fair to me…
@Amalekite: Under the KZN HMA, I don’t think many in that NK team would be allowed to play.
This is however an U19 tournament, so well within their rights. Clearly a very powerful team.
@Rugger fan: I wasn’t there sadly, as you know, I was at the Villagers vs Dubai Hurricanes with the coach’s whistle in hand
The reports from Potch are that both Tedder and Dixon have impressed at the tournament – just hoping they come home without any niggles before KERF.
9 is a helluva lot! It is reminiscent of the post-matrics of the 80’s and 90’s. I think that there should be a limit, otherwise certain schools will start abusing the system.
@BOG: I understand that. But the fact that 1 school’s squad consists of 40% /19 players is more than a statistical anomaly. Should 1st XV rugby not then be /18, with a small provision for /19 players per team.
And Craven week squads are /18 anyway.
@akw: Why? After all. it is called U19 throughout the country. If anything, the U18, are too young.
@beet:
Quite interesting comparison.
N-Kaap 9
Drosdy 6
Klerksdorp 2
The other schools all have 1 or less /19 players in their team.
Should there not be a limit to the amount of /19’s in a 1st XV?
Pity it concentrates on the NK players – seems like Dixon and Tedder had good games (again). Any additional input @pedantic ?
@akw: The team lists with DoB, height and weight stats are available under the Pukke Skouspel blog
Do we now know how many /19 boys are in this side?