| ST CHARLES | MICHAELHOUSE | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | K Caruth | 1 | Gregory Jackson | |
| 2 | B Greaves | 2 | Matt Wiseman | |
| 3 | S Du Plessis | 3 | Lee-Marvin Mazibuko | |
| 4 | W Squires | 4 | Gary Porter | |
| 5 | C Rigby | 5 | Andrew Vogel | |
| 6 | D Spriggs | 6 | Matthew Potgieter | |
| 7 | S Mwelase | 7 | Jack Walters | |
| 8 | D Anderson | 8 | Nic Egberink | |
| 9 | N Page | 9 | Thomas Walker | |
| 10 | J Davidson | 10 | Ryan Anderson | |
| 11 | M Nene | 11 | Victor Forster | |
| 12 | S Sibisi | 12 | Matthew Tatham | |
| 13 | B Mingay | 13 | Liam Furniss | |
| 14 | P Jacobs | 14 | Frank Goble | |
| 15 | T Dlamini | 15 | Robert Lee | |
| WESTVILLE | MARITZBURG COLLEGE | |||
| 1 | Jordan Els | 1 | T Chikwezvero | |
| 2 | Renier Pieterse | 2 | M Maswi | |
| 3 | Cody Thomas | 3 | D Dlamini | |
| 4 | Sibabalo Qoma | 4 | W Jacobs | |
| 5 | Brandon Warner | 5 | S Stuart | |
| 6 | Nathan Meilhon | 6 | H Tharratt | |
| 7 | Adrian Heystek | 7 | R le Roux | |
| 8 | Teigan Erasmus | 8 | D Goodson | |
| 9 | Kyan Braithwaite | 9 | M Seba | |
| 10 | Lindo Buthelezi | 10 | M vd Linde | |
| 11 | Wayne Smith | 11 | B Watson | |
| 12 | Juan Anderson | 12 | J Koekemoer | |
| 13 | Shane Ball | 13 | M Coetsee | |
| 14 | Donovan Pieters | 14 | X Guma | |
| 15 | Bradley Smith | 15 | M Kriel | |
| GLENWOOD | KEARSNEY | |||
| 1 | Kenny Van Niekerk | 1 | Tijde Visser | |
| 2 | Percy Mgnadi | 2 | Nicholas Luyt | |
| 3 | Koos Tredoux | 3 | Matthew Maddock | |
| 4 | K Xaba | 4 | David Brown | |
| 5 | Kevin Du Randt | 5 | Jesse Rich | |
| 6 | James Venter | 6 | Anthony Quenet | |
| 7 | Mac Muller | 7 | Patrick Zietkiewicz | |
| 8 | Marco Palvie | 8 | Stephen Tedder | |
| 9 | Kwazi Khayile | 9 | James Hall | |
| 10 | Curtis Jonas | 10 | Mitchell Nesbit | |
| 11 | Philani Ngcobo | 11 | Nicolas Hoare | |
| 12 | Donny du Randt | 12 | Sebastian Pau | |
| 13 | Sparks Ncgobo | 13 | James Tedder | |
| 14 | Ilunga Mukendi | 14 | Langa Hlongwane | |
| 15 | Morne Joubert | 15 | David Zondi | |
| PORT NATAL | HILTON | |||
| 1 | Sewus Geldenhuys | 1 | Andrew Peverelle | |
| 2 | Wayne Wesson | 2 | Bafana Motloi | |
| 3 | Andre Janse van Rensburg | 3 | Andrew Svenningsen | |
| 4 | LeClue Bierman | 4 | Guy Brooks | |
| 5 | Charl Sonnekus | 5 | Jonno Smithers | |
| 6 | Ewlth Kok | 6 | Etienne Marx | |
| 7 | Koos Kruger | 7 | Brad Dickerson | |
| 8 | Andre Nortje | 8 | Sebastien D. de Marigny | |
| 9 | Frans Jv Niewenhuys | 9 | Peter Symons | |
| 10 | Duanne Smit | 10 | Nick Beal | |
| 11 | Ghano Prins | 11 | Leo van Wymeersch | |
| 12 | Estienne Verster | 12 | Murray van Tonder | |
| 13 | Karl Terblanche | 13 | Tristan Blewett | |
| 14 | Chestwin Gaffley | 14 | Terry Matsa | |
| 15 | Carlo Gresse | 15 | Thomas Webber |
@Gungets Tuft: Rugby Brains Trust
@McCulleys Workshop: RBT?
MC U14 – It would seem that MC’s RBT are asleep at U13 level (that is if you want to play the hire fire rent and tag and release game) and are reliant on the Bulls scouts throwing them deals at U15/16 level. They were given the heads up for the North Coast kid before he made CW, after he made CW and weren’t interested, so the head of GW stepped in, met the parent and offered a GW scholarship, which was accepted. Once the player was named captain the MC RBT then got on the blower and after multiple calls, got barred by the parent, or so the legend goes. Then his 3 school and CW team mates also got the nod from GW. Then a talented kid from a burra school got the academic scholarship to a private, but once he made the CW side the MC RBT again got onto the blower and offered a scholarship to him and his brother. The horse had bolted. No problem if you don’t want to play in the hire fire rent tag and release game, but then don’t. If you do want to, the RBT will need to up their game.
@TIGER_1: I watched that Under16A game at Westville, very even. At Glenwood it might have been a win. College really should have beaten Glenwood at Glenwood, they were the better side on the day. Glenwood used their 2nd get of jail card on that day…
@beet: I was not surprised at all. There are some really talented youngsters in this group and if it not for some inflated egos during the first part of the season, I wouldn’t have been surprised if they did go unbeaten this year. College took that record from them last year and we have waited a year to set the record straight.
When one compares like for like fixtures and the scores between the teams, you will see that the top team was going to be decided between Westville, College and Glenwood. Just for the record, Westville also drew with Glenwood but were leading 13 – 8 when a dropped pass in the in-goal area resulted in a 5 yard scrum and the rest they say is history.
I know one of the parents of a College u16 A player and they confirmed that only their loose head prop, King and first Centre Duma were out because of injury. Westville can also lay claim to a few injuries currently but we will not bring this into the equation. Credit needs to be given were credit is due. These boys had a point to prove and they did it emphatically!
Dean Carelse has done a phenomenal job with the Team and we certainly hope that he stays on at Westville with the increased responsibility he deserves.
@beet: I think it was 5 players out Beet. Most of them KZN boys but that is no excuse. Every team has to handle this at some stage.
@beet: The individual you mention has also been identified by the referees society as punching way above his weight. With no formal referee training his performance is right up there. Hopefully he will complete the formal training and join our ranks where he will likely go very far. But if coaching is his passion then there will probably not be time for both…..
@star: I was very surprised by the u16 result. I expected the game to be a lot closer. I’d watched College play against Glenwood on Dixon’s and almost beat them – Glenwood scored a last minute try to earn a draw.
I later learned that 6 College players were either sick or injured for the Westville game. I’m not sure how true this is but it may have played a part in the outcome.
Nevertheless an outstanding result for Westville and a feather in the cap of new coach Dean Carelse, with talk amongst a few at Westville linking him with more responsibility down the line.
@beet: No, I don’t think they are any different to past intakes. I think the current Open team was just good all the way through. They will be fine – the curren tU15’s and U16’s had average starts as well.
@star: Planets lined up for Westville at U16 on Saturday. I wouldn’t be taking any bets for the next 2 years to the bank just yet.
@ Beet- actually the current Westville U16s lost to College in U14 and U15 but had a good win on the weekend. Actually for those in the know it was not the surprize some people might think it was . I had a friendly bet with such a person who predicted a 20 point margin. It ended up at 17 and I was sweating a bit towards the end there.
@Gungets Tuft: Is this issue with the College u14s a trend that’s played itself out in their rugby results over the years ie u16 results a lot closer than results from when the teams were u14?
Otherwise it may just be that Glenwood and Westville got the bigger/better u14 players this year? Meaning this could be a weaker age group for College from now until they matriculate in 2018?
@Gungets Tuft: I think the U14A squads at Glenwood and Westville start pre-season training in the first week of January (before the boys have even stepped into a classroom) whereas College focuses on the summer sports – cricket and aquatics – with rugby only starting towards then end of Term 1. Maybe that has something to do with it – not sure.
@All Black: I didn’t see the article but I’ll look for it later. Not sure what the topic was but I’ve long said that the game has become over-legislated. When I played there was no such thing as ‘roll away’ or ‘hands in the ruck’ etc – those issues were self-regulating if you know what I mean…..
Norman Toerien handled the game very well I thought and I agree with you and said it further up the thread – the only inconsistency I thought was that if Stuart copped a yellow then Meilon should have as well. Loosies – eish. They have to just learn to play the ref of the day. Some go to the whistle quicker than others – Tharrat and Le Roux love the breakdown, it’s where they thrive so it must be frustrating for them when they aren’t allowed to do their thing. They must have loved the ref at Michaelhouse though…….
@ GB- the showboating story always reminds me of the Robbie Fleck episode and I break out every time. I totally agree with you and All Black on the pleasant and respectful day out. Must have something to do with the quality of College parent,
Almost up there with PBHS who are almost too genteel that you find yourself shouting for them. 
The moment for me was when my boy was hit accidentally in the proverbial and a College boy came to his aid with the words” Come on M.. you are having a good game so get up”. Fantastic. I know I am going to get into trouble here but I found the most tense and aggressive vibe was when we played KES. Maybe I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
@GreenBlooded: Agreed. Did you see the article in the Tribune about laws? Was interesting. Saturday was fine. Thought Goodson being cleaned out was exactly the same as Stuart cleaning out but one got a yellow and the other nothing. Was strict on our two fetchers who were all over the ball at the breakdown. Took momentum away but he was consistent. didn’t help our strength though.
@Gungets Tuft: I agree to a point, Glenwood also getting a real mix of boys these days especially in the BE, maybe Afrikaans being the settler, hahah! High school is an adjustment for all the boys, so Under14 results can be erratic, sublime one week to hopeless the next. I don’t really look much into Under14A and Under15A results too much, but from Under16A one can then start to access how good the group really is. My experience went from getting whipped in 2nd form to being equal if not better than some schools by 4th form…….your August schedule looks like Glenwood’s very tough indeed. Those lower sides are going to need to put in some hard work in the holidays…
@GreenBlooded: I have thought about the slow start for the U14’s, tried to figure out why. I think it has a lot to do with the kids all coming from far and wide, no more that 2 or 3 kids that have ever played together, whereas the Durban schools have their feeders closer to them, so possibly have more kids that have played together at primary school. Not sure if that is the case.
Then the obvious, the A team mostly boarders and still settling in, but you would expect by term 2 that they would be settled. That all said, the College U14A have not had a shabby year. Big loss to Glenwood, would like to see the Glenwood U14A results over all, narrow loss away to KES (13-14), and now to Westville. It’s not a poor year, even if the boys would have set their sights much higher than that.
Some seriously character building weeks coming up, PBHS away, Glenwood home, Affies home and Grey Bloem away. Definitely going to put some hair on their chests.
@All Black: Agreed – but we don’t want the oke thinking he pulled it off this year so he can do better next year. But you are right – isolated incident in what was a great day out. Even on the bottom fields where I spent the morning – all pleasant and dignified, as it should be.
@Grasshopper: Ed could wield a cane that is for sure!! He also played for Collegians 1st team while I was there. Played for the staff vs 1st/2nd matrics – didn’t want to go near the oke.
One of that guys mates was trying to get a reaction from the College boys on the bench behind the poles during the 1st team game. Beer in hand and chanting some strange stuff. A Westville supporter told him to sit down and shut up. Quite frankly it was a good day and everybody just seemed to get along and enjoy the rugby, hockey etc. Cant let a few idiots ruin a pleasant day of schoolboy rugby.
@GreenBlooded: hahaha! I remember that story. Ed Hill caned me a few times, will never forget him! I believe he was at Westville before Glenwood and he too was well remembered there….huge bloke!
@star: Of course they would never take matters into their own hands – but there should be action taken by the host school. They must know who the idiot was. Lay a charge against him. I recall an incident at Glenwood where an old boy ran on and tackled an opposition player. He was promptly put into a head-lock by none other than Ed Hill (a monster of a teacher) and frog marched to the gate. I think there were also charges laid. It is completely unacceptable.
Love the story about the show-boater being tackled. Seen it quite a few times and have to say – nothing gives me more pleasure. It’s sort of like when the Matador gets the wrong end of the bull. An EPIC FAIL as my kids would say……
@GB- I would not have felt sorry for him either and would not have blamed the College 15 if they had taken matters into their own hands. Great composure was shown in a highly charged situation. I suppose that is one of the reasons for the new liquor laws being introduced but I think they have missed the mark. The young man ( that I did not see as I was on the other side of the tunnel) had obviously been drinking since early morning. It is not about location but rather trading hours that must be dealt with. You are a ref that talks about the clear and obvious. Statistics can sometime be interpreted on this basis. Earlier this year I am on record as cautioning the Kearsney set-up on the results against Westville. The negative points differential had more than doubled in the space of 2 years and 2 open teams had been lost. The response was that Westville had lost all the A team games. I smiled as that was very superficial( a kick missed in front of the posts to lose by 3 points for the U14s and both the U15As and Ists lost in the last move by a few points though an inability to close the game down) . These issues could easily be remedied and they were cumulating in their finest overall performance against College. How did Kearsney end their season? ( and I am not just talking about the record Ist team score) Kearsney only put out 5 open teams and the 5th team lost to GW 7ths by over 50. This is not an attack on Kearsney. I am just calling the clear and obvious. Interestingly when looking at College’s performance against GW it was the U14s that contributed over 150 points to the negative differential. That means that College were in the positive for the U15/U16 and Opens. Gungets has mentioned before that it takes time for the U14 boarders to find their feet. Maybe something to look at.
@Westers: Didn’t see the tackle, having those two fields next to each other is ADHD hell, it was exhausting, spinning around following spectator noise. Invariably I missed what caused the noise. Seems to me that the Matric team is about being over the top anyway, the okes seem the be having the jol of their lives. Maybe everyone could take a lesson about having some fun.
@Gungets Tuft: I can’t say for sure but I know there are a couple who sometimes play for the 6th side as well as the Matric team and they were told they had to make a choice on Saturday. They couldn’t play for 2 teams. I can’t say for sure though that boys did not play two games.
By the way, well done to the College boy who tackled the Westville showboater before he could dot down. 15 out of 10 tackle.
@star: Question about the 8ths. They call them the Matric team, but how many of them play solely for the 8ths. Many of them looked like they had already played that day?
@star: Thanks for your in-depth statistical analysis!! Are you an accountant by any chance?
You know what they say about statistics!!
I have just one question for you. Did you see the shirtless knuckle-dragger old-boy who had obviously spent the morning at Waxy’s and thought it was a good idea to shoulder charge one of the College players as he was leaving the field after the mile-long tunnel? Who was that idiot?? Lucky for him the College boy and his team restrained themselves, because if that guy had have copped a 15 man College beating I would not have felt one bit sorry for him.
@star: well done Westville, showing good depth. The Glenwood open teams this year were weaker than usual, hence losing many from 5th’s to 8ths, that is where College and Westville won most of their games. Well done Westville 2nds too, finally beating the Glenwood 2nds who were unbeaten locally for.about 3 years. 2015 could be Westville’s year, with a young 2nd team…
What a great day of sport and the OBs are very proud of the performances of all the teams/participants. I think that this is the first time in Westville’s history that they have won more matches than they have lost against College ( Played 23 won 15 lost 6 Drew 2. Points for 516 against 306). As a point of reference College’s results against GW were played 25 won 10 lost 12 drew 3. Points for 421 against 472. As College played both games away with no staggers and always give 110 % they are very good from a form line perspective. College’s negative points differential against GW was 2 per game which is more than acceptable playing at GW. Against Westville it is 9 points per game.ie more than 4 X that of GW( for some context.) So again well done for a great overall performance. Well done also to the fighting fourths and the excellent 8ths for going through the season unbeaten and to the young 2nds( 4 matrics) for losing only one game. Credit must also go to the U16As who grew in stature from an indifferent start to be a national powerhouse. You emphatically beat an excellent team to conclude your season.It is just a pity that the provincial selectors again seem to continually ignore what is happening on the ground. Here is hoping the penny drops at some point.
What about Andrew Aitken? I think Shaun Gage era…
@Anti Green: was in the gym… The way heyneke is selecting I may yet make my bok debut! @beet: May have been offsides a couple of times but was dating the ref’s daughter so wasn’t too concerned about being blown then or later
@GreenBlooded: @Anti Green: Guy Manson-Bishop of DHS is one of the best schoolboy loose forwards I’ve seen. Played in the late 80’s, very very fast. Played for British Barbarians against SA.
@GreenBlooded: 1990/1991. Oh okay.
Seabass what’s happening? You at church? Don’t google this must come off the top of your head
@Anti Green: What year was Strudders at Wartburg? He’s actually the Director of Rugby at College, the first team coach is Kevin Smith although Strudders is still very much involved, but he also mentors the younger teams and is very hands-on assisting the coaches of the junior teams.
@GreenBlooded: He played number 8, think he did a post at Hilton. Here is one for the books, Ryan Strudwick Wartburg High, London Irish Legend and College Coach.
Seabass beat that.
@Anti Green: Didn’t know he landed up at Hilton – sure I remember him at DHS in my matric year. Maybe he did post matric there? Senekal – started a year before me and finished a year after me………
@GreenBlooded: Yes that him.
@GreenBlooded: Sorry – didn’t read your last post first.
@Anti Green: Deon (Von) Beneke was a DHS lad no?
@beet: I think Beneke came from DHS originally. Yes Hilton had an awesome team that year Jason Dent front row and the number 10 that year from Hilton Jancovich excusing the spelling played SA Schools?
@Anti Green: First time I saw Britz was when he played for Tech u21 in that sort of Dream Team they had back then
@Anti Green: Kearsney was beaten something like 21-3 by Hilton in 1989 and may players stood out for them but I don’t recall Beneke. I remember their little blonde wing Dunn and I think the other was Leahy – both very quick.
During the 1989 season Peter Senekal was the Natal Schools 10. Beukes was the 1990 flyhalf. He played very well at Craven Week. During that season Dixie Tyrell (College) and eish I think it was Clinton Scholz (Westville) were also really good no.10s vs KC
The list continues what about the chap from Port Shepstone Warren Brits played for Natal. Natal School 88/89 I think.
@beet: Experienced the same thing playing against Seabass, that time he had upgraded to a Gypsy Caravan.
What about Dion Binneke I think he captained Natal Schools in 89 from Hilton. No 10 Chris Beukes solid player
I must say re: loosies I watched Groupe and Breedt play at school. Was also fortunate enough to see Wayne Fyvie a couple of times – very good player
@Anti Green: I must actually tell you that at school Rhino was Seabass’s no.1 fan. During the Westville vs Kearsney 1st XV match of 1991 which Westville regrettably won 16-12, come halftime Seabass calls Rhino from the stand and instructs him to go fetch his tent and sleeping bag out of the car parked on Jan Hofmeyr Drive. Reason for the request: Seabass was enjoying camping offsides so much during that game!*
*Almost true story
@beet: Morning Beet it’s your blog, I respect your decision. Just remember to pull the same card for others too.
Name that comes to mind is Seabass send him packing
@beet: Hence the reason why he isn’t back here this morning – still sleeping it off. You know this thing with Mud Island and binge drinking………..
@Anti Green: It was more like an extended halftime break than a red card and in Rhino’s case probably the equivalent of spending the night in jail due to failing a breathalyser test.
@GreenBlooded: I know that, we are talking about players. What about Raymond Collyer from College. Nigel Williamson from MHS 3 years MHS 1st team.
Seabass was it Andre Fitt from Westville. Then the one and only Hentie Maartens what a talent. 1990 beat MHS on his own.
@seabass: Yep, Marc and his boets stayed in Village Green, where I stayed. All three very talented. Another couple from Ville were Damon Adendorff, Mason Bizzell and Guy Mumford…
@seabass: The biggest legend from Ville in my day was Errol Stewart. Went on to play rugger and cricket for Natal. Could also wield a hockey stick I believe.
@Anti Green: Senekal was not a loosie – he was a 10/12. Great player though. Others in the era were Trevor Labuschagne (our “Stransky” drop goaler to beat College in ’86), Wayne Barr, Dennis “Tubby” Richards and Ian Longden.
@Grasshopper: those are some units! Jon Botha was formidable in his time… Charlie Bath, Mike Falkson, Marc de Marigny were some goodies from the Ville
@Anti Green: Ahhhhh – got it. You got Red Carded here on the blog. Sorry – my GW brain a bit slow this morning. Seems like in this case ‘the red card was punishment enough’ because here you are back on the field…….
For Glenwood ever, it would have to be Judkins, La Marque and Hardie…..maybe the best combo KZN has seen ever. Barker from DHS would be up there too…
@GreenBlooded: not if you were the ref and happen to be with Beet.
@GreenBlooded: I have a few from my era, Luke Lotriet from College, immense. For Glenwood, David Terblanche in 1992 (KZN Schools No 8 & Captain) & Malcolm Aerington (1997) and Nic Strauss (1997). Malcolm was a Pinetown boy and joined Glenwood as a post matric, he was a machine ran over players. As I have mentioned before to me Nico Breedt from Kearsney was the best I have ever seen…..
@GreenBlooded: Pleased to say I’m moving him next year. Anti Green is against all things healthy told you this before. First sensible thing you have blogged, Warren Groupe was the best flank in KZN ever. The oke could change a game all on his own. Peter Senekal is another that comes to mind.
@Anti Green: Let’s hope he’s in a good mood!! I’ve sat in quite a few of these – as referees we have to attend. My advice to you is this: plead guilty (if you really were), be humble, say sorry, don’t be cocky. You might also be back on the field next week. It happens.
@Anti Green: Like I said – each case on it’s merits. I don’t know what happened in either case besides what I’ve heard hear. Did you see the incident against NW or are you just going on hearsay? Perhaps video evidence was reviewed, witnesses were called and it was decided that the on-field decision was enough, the was severe provocation, the on-field red was too harsh. Who knows. I won’t pretend to because the only knowledge I have of the incident was the report of one blogger who is partisan. Try to look at things objectively – don’t let your ‘Anti-Green’ agenda blind you.
You had a son at GW??? And you call yourself Anti-Green? What did they do to the poor lad?
@seabass: I’ll kick it off!! The most talented loosie I ever saw in my days at Glenwood was a chap by the name of Warren Groupe. I think he made Natal Schools in 1988. He was one of the few players to skip the U15 age group and go straight from U14 to 1st team (remember in those days the age groups were U13, U14 and U15). He was fearless and could read the game like a pro, always turning up at the right place at the right time. He was simply quite incredible to watch. Sadly, his personal circumstances didn’t allow him to pursue much after school which was a great pity – I think he could have ended up playing for Natal.
@GreenBlooded: never been to your fathers office, don’t even know the door number. Recieved a few yellow cards never a red. Got my first last night. So may be at Dekker’s office tomorrow.
@beet: maybe a fun discussion would be for bloggers to nominate their top loosies from their respective schools? Been some legends over the past couple of decades… And keep it to their school exploits, reputations etc and not just the guys who have gone on to play for the boks.
@GreenBlooded: thanks for the aggressive tone. Funny that as my son is at GW and a game he was playing the GW boy threw a punch and was red carded by GW ref. The boy was not allowed to play for 2 weeks. Awesome, some people are more important than others. Blow your whistle?
@Buffel: Sensible comments as always – I will respectfully differ from your Top 5 based on the games I’ve watched this season – excluding the festivals:
1. Glenwood by a long shot
2. College (based on the marginal win over House)
3. House (seems like they got a decent fight from St Charles yesterday)
4. Ville
5. Kearsney (they would be my 4 were it not for yesterdays result)
@Anti Green: I’m not sure where you get the idea from that a red card = 2 week suspension. It is not the case. You seem to have a club rugby background so I would expect you to know that each case is treated on it’s merits – which is why the naughty boys troop down to Kings Park for a disciplinary hearing on Tuesday evenings with uncle Dekker. By the comments of some of your mates I guess you have been to a few yourself?
It is no different with schoolboys – each case is treated on it’s merits and each school has it’s own policy. There have been many cases when the on-field sanction have been deemed ‘enough punishment’ – the incident involving the College boy in the famous 44-40 fixture last year being one that springs to mind.
So if ‘due process was followed’ then that is what it means. We don’t need people to second guess it and invent standards to support their ‘anti-green’ agendas……
@seabass: All I see is green and white, green and white, green and white.
Seabass all that matters is I made your list. Love your work.
@Anti Green:
butch, maybe not the most talented (in the skinstad mould :wink) but there definitely weren’t too many harder than you, old boy! I see you got red carded on the blog, at least nothing has changed 
@Buffel: agree with your analysis, great season! Westville can probably claim the strongest 2nd team & under16A. Glenwood probably Under15 & 14A. Glenwood will struggle in 2015 but hit back in 2016 & 2017. Exciting years ahead! Love schoolboy rugga!
It has been fun. Thanks guys for the season- just a pity that the last couple of games involving KC have been so lopsided.
It is now to Craven week and honestly if the boys play like the Glenwood side did yesterday, they will come close to being crowned unofficial champions. My boy came through relatively unscathed this season baring a torn ear incident that has left its mark of a tough but rewarding 2014 and to play with and against his mates is what it is all about.
To Rhino- your personal rants on the Glenwood guys is so over the top that you should be removed from the blog , never to return. Go and find another medium to sprout your absolute drivel.
This is my top 5 for KZN this season
1-GLENWOOD
2-MHS
3-COLLEGE
4-WESTVILLE
5-KEARSNEY
We did beat Westville and College beat MHS but having played against MHS and now Glenwood over these past 2 Saturdays, there is no question that they are 1 and 2 for 2014. If KC had been more competitive over this 8 day period then I would have them at 4 and Westville at 5.
@Anti Green: By your own admission:
“Just information supplied by others”
Perhaps people do have a right to know but maybe the first step is establish the facts surrounding the case. My opinion is this is the kind of topic best left to the professional journalists and/or reported to the correct authorities to take action – it’s too hot for some small informal non-commercial blog to lead with
@Anti Green: @Rhino: @Jordaan:
Hey guys I’ve logged you guys out tonight. Will reconnect you in the morning.
@beet: The drug thing is quite simple, if you are guilty wear the patch. You can’t pick and choose what you feel is right to blog. Then why have a blog? I enjoy your honesty and that’s how it must stay. The guy was guilty kids have the right to know that the person they look up to is a druggie, simple.
@Jordaan:
Jordaan (aka Bonthuis aka WBHS Griffon) please take me up on the challenge to start posting some value adding contributions for a change. Up to now you seem to have limited yourself to lots of negatives
@Rhino: Hey I hear you, I have one WHSOB mate and that’s by default (Seabass) I never watched the Rhino(If I say Westville it may be removed)vs GW, honestly you can’t make a statement that WV would have taken 30plus because of the performance against KC, that’s just not MENSA.
@Anti Green: I’ve edited a couple of your ones too.
I’m not sure how to handle the drug thing but in the absence of facts, maybe even if we do have the facts, we could end up destroying a career maybe even a life if we don’t exercise a degree of responsibility here. So please try to avoid specific references re: drug related issues. As a general topic by all means fire away with what you have to say.
I might have explained to you in an email before, part of the content for this blog which readers find informative is acquired with the assistance of the schools themselves so if it turns into a parasitic relationship where I take but can’t give anything of value back, it serves them no purpose to help and then there the blog will become pretty lame.
@Anti Green
Hilarious !! if i say to much then i am a biased racist westvillian… so i keep quiet mostly ;-)
@Jordaan: I see your post has been removed.
@Jordaan: Nice to me you Jordaan, some thought you were me and me you. GH has given me stick and yes called me stupid because he has an IQ above normal. Honestly who cares about ones IQ at this stage of our lives. I just want to debate and post my opinions, it only becomes BS when you are attacked. I’ve been hammered about posts been hate speech, which made me think hard about myself. A blog is about opinions and debating those opinions. Look I have posted something at the moment which is relevant, how did the GW front rower play today? ***
@Rhino: Sorry you are in the UK that must add to things(just joking please) it’s a rugby blog and you should be able to make you own opinion and then it’s debated. But I hear you loud and clear. Take care
@Anti Green: You
@Anti Green
Negative i am living in UK … but still what does it matter i travel fairly often and watch a game or two each year..!!!It is an amazing blog at times but i cannot and will not stand down anymore… i have been reading for ages… i am not anti GW – i prefer to beat them yes and we do at most but rugby they have had the better of and i know… its just grassy who antagonises ……………………
@Rhino: Rhino don’t stress, this blog is like an old boys club. The first post I made the only okes to hammer me were the……….. Some MHS guys started as well until they realised I was an Old Boy. You in SA, we have the Freedom. It’s a great blog and yes us stupids have a right to have a say.
@ anti green
I watch and read as i enjoy it mostly and a good banter perhaps even with you at times – but grassCHOPPER does it time and again…i cannot and will not sit and listen to him dominating everyones conversation anymore….I just cant !!!! I am a WBHS boy class of 93 and proud but he seemingly things he is class of everything !!! EISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its annoying !!! i love a banter but its the same and ever since rugby365………..and i really dont meant to argue but i cannot take anymore!!! yeh yeh u lived in westville and ure mates are westvillians……….. shush !
@Rhino: Hi Rhino, good luck. The oke is a genius, is a billionaire, would donate his wealth to the Green Machine if they would only recognize him for the ……….. he is.
Perhaps u do …………..!!! Dont ***ever tell me what to do btw !!!
Email me if you wanna carry on.. i am game!!!
@Grasshopper
I have belittled you – How ? jog on ! are you for real ? Lets ask the public who is doing what..!!! I think ull find it the opposite.
please dont tell me either how to use or make a website …!!!!
I am laughing out loud – Grassy – chap i have a good few converses with you but i cannot always keep quiet and listen to your utter bullsh!t !! I wont.!!!!
Well dont get personal then for instance your last comment ” like talking a child” is getting personal……….and the others……….. u do this to everyone BTW
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ANNOYING!!!!
@Rhino: serious chip on your shoulder, I said that months ago…..move on. What do you want me to say. Jeez boet, move on….
@ at Grasshopper
Also why am i digging hole for myself ???u got a hit on me wahaha that kinda comment is ridiculous and exactly why i or people get annoyed “Mr i blog the most” such utter crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Rhino: sorry boet, nothing is meant to be personal, but every post you have written above you have belittled me. I have not once called you a name. Anyway, it’s like debating with a child, you can’t. So I’ll leave it there. If you don’t like my comments start your own site, very easy to do….Wordpress. I might even do my own for those who want to debate and discuss constructively…
@Grasschopper
Ish………… know who you are but its isnt about that bru. U say i get over heated sure, at times, not perfect, you are just continious!!! thats all and i dont even wanna argue with you as actually we have had same conversation almost every year………….. i enjoy ure knowledge of school rugby and all but just find it tedious at times..Its always you in every conversation………..
@Redblack White: Now I’m going to make things even more interesting. *** was caught for performance substance. Still playing. A KC player in the 1st XV caught band for 2 years from all forms of sport. I also believe the same KC boy plays that game with horses and sticks of which he had been band from. Just information supplied by others, Hopper please don’t kuk me out I know a Seabass
@Rhino: it’s so funny, you probably a Westville mate of mine in London, have plenty of them. Also most of my mates in SA are WOBs too…..just not sure why you get so heated over nothing…..it’s a blog, not life and death boet…
@Rhino: what did I say now? Stated a fact…..
@Grasschopper
And ? Do u understand why i occasionally flare up at ure comments ? Not just me either…
All rugby games vs Kearsney won, hockey more competitive; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/SPORT%20RESULTS%20vs%20KEARSNEY.pdf
@Anti Green: it was related to the player that was carded. Not sure what is meant by due process. Would also have thought the sanction would have been tougher. Maybe Beet can elaborate since he has the detail. Seems odd though but as always we can only speculate until the facts are known.
Tough day at the office today. 6 wins and 2 draws with 16 losses. Well done to ‘Ville on old boys day. Good on you guys.
@Redblack White: was that related to my post? Because due process I’m sure is 2 weeks?
@Anti Green: see Beets post at 19:06………. “Due process was followed”…………
@Grasshopper: hey hopper to add to this,the front rower received a red card against the knights. How come he was allowed to play today? Isn’t that a 2 week cooling off?
@Jordaan: Cmon Jordaan you’re just inflaming a situation now. Why don’t you rather share a positive about KZN SBR.
@Rhino: boet,
@ Grasshopper
Shush – go and eat a shush kebab what u mean i not getting “personal” so go an eat a shush kebab…. i just retort to you and mostly i leave it but sometimes i just cant hold myself as u just dont stop with your utter crap…
dude we all have our views but u press ures everywhere..N0 wonder!!
@beet: Maybe the decision not to kick for goal was based on the form of their kicker? Westville have battled with kicking for goal the entire season. Yes – Westville left a win out there – but so did College. I don’t think either team arrived with their A game today. Both team made far too many basic errors and quite a few simple finishes came to nothing. Both kickers battled – even missing some sitters.
To broaden what I have just alluded to on finishing – one thing that has frustrate the bejesus out of me this season – at all levels of SBR – is the inability of teams to make the correct ‘finishing’ decisions. How often have I seen a great try go begging because the ball carrier elects to cut inside or take the ball into contact than a simple pass to the outside runner – sometimes with a clear line and a 3 man overlap. I saw heaps of that again at Westville today – across the age-groups.
I must say today from what I witnessed Westville 1st XV should be crying tonight. In the context of the season, its an honour to hold this College team to a draw but based on 70 minutes of action Westville left a win out there on the field. So many nearly chances that they could not convert and a bad decision not to kick an easy one for goal with 15 min left on the clock. If they had slotted that one, another kick from one of their many redzone penalties at the end would have wrapped up the game.
Like someone said College is capable of playing much better rugby but in the same vein WBHS must surely be capable of better finishing than they showed today.
Everyone must chill out. It’s just a game. People everyone here is entitled to an air an opinion and must accept that others might counter that opinion but two things, don’t get personal and/or don’t lose your cool coz someone opposes your views.
@GreenBlooded: Reliably informed that said player worth 74 points today. Conclusion: Kearsney would have won the game.
Jokes! Due process was followed and explained to me online.
Tough going for Kearsney. I didn’t see this one coming. I expected Glenwood to be foot off the pedal once they secured the game, given the number of injuries they had in the weeks leading up to this game. I guess after losing to Kearsney for the last 2 seasons, Glenwood wanted to leave nothing to chance plus leave an even long lasting memory.
@Gungets Tuft: Agreed – College pip House to 2nd place.
@Rhino: get personal, I guessed your name based on Rhino, I have no idea who you are, just a Westville supporter who has something against me, not sure why. My comment on the missed kick was genuine, it’s happened to many teams and players over the years…
@GREENMASJIEN: Except College beat House in Balgowan, and House have also had their average days, they would be disappointed by today’s result I reckon?
Do the log on points, KZN becomes clear.
@ GreenMasjien
100% undisputed on results !!!
IMO – Undisputed No.1 in KZN for 2014 is Glenwood.
No.2 is very close , IMO MHS at 2 and College at 3
Craven week selections looking spot on , well done to the KZN SBR team.
@ Grasschopper Why ???????????????????????????????????????????????? rather email me than talk on this if u wanna get personal !
BEET , time to step in.
This back and forth is low on any level of rugby content.
Tolerate it , as I do really enjoy most of the comments & opinions this blog.
@Rhino: Digging a hole for yourself Ryan….
Ask Beet for his records…!!! Very embarrassing !!! U seriously piss people off !!!
@Grasschopper – quiet please!!! tired of ure continious trash talk no wonder u are hated by most – BTW the first time i challenged you on this u said” who are you i am the most frequent blogger ……………blah blah ” very embarrasing ………………..My reply was SO WHAT …!!! Honestly!!
I am not always right i know but sometimes suck it in “boet”
@seabass: Seabass you dick why is my name not on your list, that’s the last time I buy you a round
@Grasschopper
U know what u just show what a chop u are for saying that !!! People miss kicks and get kicks… thats rugby and life… stop being such a dick !!!
@Rhino: Sorry who are you to tell me my opinions….jeez…..wasting my time with childish rants from you….
@Rhino: Dude – why can’t you just debate constructively without resorting to insults, personal remarks and threats? Everyone has an opinion – if you don’t agree, say so and say why. Making insults and threats just makes it seem like you lack IQ and EQ.
@Rhino: Hey Rhino, GW today would have beaten any team, I think Grey Bloem would have struggled against them today. GW game plan and pattern of play all came together. They were professional. Very disciplined, it never even got scrappy they were on top form.
Seabass you dick why is my name not on your list, that’s the last time I buy you a round
@Grasshopper: To be honest – both 1st choice kickers were off song today. I think the WV guy got a penalty, missed a few sitters. MC eventually changed kickers and then had more success at goal.
@GreenBlooded: @Rhino: It’s just an opinion I have about the WV team I watched beat GW earlier in the season……….should read: “WV team I watched lose to GW earlier….”
@ grasshopper
Watch ure mouth “boy” – be very careful !!! Listen i tolerate you at all times but please dot condescend me! U know why !!! Quiet please !!
@GreenBlooded: College were ahead 11-6 until the last minute, so well done to Westville for coming back. It must have been tough for the kicker missing the kick to win on Old Boys day….
@Greenblooded
100% and i never said anything personal – please re- read my comment and learn again as there was noting personal at all so SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I actually dont usually mind ure comments but felt annoyed by the +30 comment as its utter bollocks!!!
@Rhino: The House team that played College 2 weeks ago would have beaten WV today too. Again – I’ve seen the teams play. WV were disappointing today from what I’ve seen this season (vs GW and all their games a KERF). Lucky they caught College on a bad day.
@Rhino: Gosh, it’s like I’m talking to a child, how old are you? Maybe had a few too many at the Slug? I’m certainly not obsessed, the headmaster and coach don’t like me at all for challenging them on recruitment etc. I’ve actually watched both sides and Westville would battle against Glenwood at Glenwood, as that is where the next fixture would need to be played if they played twice.
@Rhino: Boet, you making yourself look stupid now, even hardened Westville supporters know Glenwood have also improved as the season has gone on, they are too strong upfront and their backs are immense. Take the blinkers off, 2015 will be different though as we lose 13 starters;
Team Venue w/l Points For Points Against
Westville H W 32 15
Michaelhouse H W 17 14
Bishops (Grey PE) A W 23 11
Jeppe (Grey PE) A W 20 14
Dale College (Kearsney) A W 31 17
EG Jansen (Kearsney) A W 31 20
Framesby (Kearsney) A W 31 29
Waterkloof (Wildeklawer) A L 27 39
Outeniqua (Wildeklawer) A L 15 20
DHS H W 38 13
George Campbell H W 64 3
Maritzburg College A W 27 14
Monument A L 19 30
Hilton A W 67 7
Northwood H W 64 27
Kearnsey H W 86 13
@Rhino: It’s just an opinion I have about the WV team I watched beat GW earlier in the season and the team I saw today. I think the team I saw against GW was better than the team I saw today. My opinion. No need to get personal about it. If you don’t agree – that’s cool – but remember I’ve actually seen the team play.
@ Grasshopper
Clearly by results i would give you so “boet” but u didnt play GREY BLOEM etc in the initial stages and we stupidly and ridiculously lost to MHS… that would never have happened again, both! WBHS shoulda won both.. but we didnt…. true story as u know!!
Why Dont u go back to GW again as ure obsessed !!
@ Greenblooded
Bollocks !!!!
Absolute bollocks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you we would win………… !!! So typical !! GW been very good this year i agree, but such a nonsense comment by you !!! tut tut
@Rhino: I’m in Durban every couple of weekends so watched plenty of games, they also televise quite a few now. Glenwood are better than Ville this year, just accept it boet….
@Locust aka hopper anytime !!! No I Havent as i live in UK just as you live in CT – but i do believe it be a better / closer game thats all…..
@Grasshopper: Glenwood would have thumped Ville by 30+ today!!
@Griffon: Hmmmm – I thought a draw was a fair reflection actually. A bit bleak about the YC that MC8 copped for a ‘dangerous clean-out’ when WV7 did not even get a penalty for his effort earlier on. Otherwise – a well reffed match, some great contests and a fair score in the end I thought.
@Rhino: At Glenwood, no worries….I think Glenwood would win by 10 at least. You have not actually seen the Glenwood side have you, very balanced with two or 3 SA Schools candidates….
@beet: I wonder what the score would have been if they had not allowed him to play?
Previous biggest win over Kearsney was 62-0 in 2008, completely smashed that with this. Kearsney obviously didn’t pitch and Glenwood clicked….ending the Kearsney 2 year winning streak…..Kearsney will be back next year at home, that we know…
So Wish we played you guys again !!!!
Just got home from UKZN….. Glenwood v Kearsney was a massacre! Much as the kid probably wanted to play. Tedder should never have taken the field. The Kearsney backs where outgunned. Hall tried manfully with some massive clearance box kicks, but the chase was poor which allowed the Glenwood backs too much space.
Surprised by the Glenwood score. Very good game between College and Westville. Very unlucky to the scrummie for that missed last minute conversion. Thought Westville were the better team, and college capitalized well on their mistakes.
Glenwood 85 Kearsney 13 I think Tedder will remember his 50th game!
11-11 draw at Westville…
@Grasshopper
Yep Understood now thanks ! Just to me is different !
GW defo the master of KZN although a home and away game NEEDS be put in place with us schools as i believe it be a tighter game next time round…
11-6 to College, 20 to go!
86-13 to Glenwood :-)
Penalty to Westville, 8-6
8-3 to College!
3-3 at halftime between College & Westville
@Rhino: there was no under 16 age group in 93, that was introduced in 94 hence open teams dropped by a few…3-0 to Westville so far…Glenwood 45-6 over Kearsney at halftime!
@saints: is that full time?
SCC 17 MHS 29
Back in 93 we pretty much lost everything in rugby to MC …so good to see how times have changed !!! But we also then fielded a 10th team..why has it dropped ?
:-) Thanks Beet – please keep them coming as i am lost here in UK and WBHS Twitter is seemingly slow or rubbish lol
Westville are winning everything ending with an A
u14 38-5 I think
u15 25-20 College made a good comeback
u16 20-3 big surprise. Westville had the College number
2nd XV 3-5 @ halftime
Scores please ?
@Buffel: Let him run on for the last 5 minutes. He deserves to be in that exclusive club. Just don’t hurt him for Craven Week.
@Grasshopper: have to agree! There have been some fine loosies, Fyvie, Messenger, du Plessis, sharply to name a few but he would right near the top of the pile for me.
@kcob: three of my good mates in that elite club. Nice to know that I won both my 1st XV games against them at Botha’s and in the Ville
@seabass: I thought a Halstead and Breedt would be there, for me Breedt was one of the best flanks in KZN schools history, just dominated everyone…..
@kcob: so son will join father in an elite club. Great guys, special achievement!
@beet: beat Voories 18-17 in a freezing 3 degrees in the Capital. Voories were very physical, highly motivated and the Voories of old. How Evans is not in the AW team baffles me, he won our and their line out ball playing against Ndlovo. MOM was Vosloo once again, he scored two great tries to take his season’s tally to 13. This kid is special!
@Grasshopper: Kearsney players in the 50 Club; Cliffy Hopkins, Craig Symonds, Bruce Tedder, Greg Halstead, Doug Carmody, Nico Breedt, Matt Stevens, Matt Reece-Edwards…
Well done to Tristan if he does! Sparks got his 50th vs College a few weeks back, but he is older. Not sure what the Glenwood record is, probably 50 odd, but these days with 20 odd games a season 50 is much easier to get. However to stay injury free in much tougher games is a great achievement! Pre semi professionalism I would guess Greg Manning would have had the most caps at Glenwood. One of the Halsteads must have had the Kearsney record or Nico Breedt maybe…
@Buffel: I hope he does, even the last 5 minutes would do it. He deserves it, to be robbed at the final hurdle would be cruel.
@kcob: Caught me by surprise. Watch this space but he might sneak on for a memorable 50th cap in the 1 stripe. That is one hell of an achievement and to pass the school record as the highest points scorer of all time at KC adds to the occasion. Well done Trist. Just need to wrap him in cotton wool .
@McCulleys Workshop: Are you sure he is on a 100% bursary? He has been there since grade 8 :-)
@beet: You can’t give a 100% bursary and then keep him out because of a card.
That College backline looks more stable. That has been their archilles heal this season.
@star: GB def looking at Ball for next year at 13 . Ball is in Grade 12 next year ! Think they have wings covered and 12 . no 10 has been this age groups headache since U14 so should be interesting who plays there next year !
@Greenwood: Thanks – St Charles is spending millions on a new Rugby facility with earthworks well on the way- it is expected to finished before next season- hopefully with this facility, we can attract more quality players in the future and be in a place where we can compete against the schools on our fixture list.Our hockey, i believe is already doing this, and is going from strength to strength with us only losing to College and Glenwood this season.
Watch this space as they say…. in couple of years we might even have fixtures against college rugby
Saints – no doom and gloom here -House gave Glenwood a torrid time
at Gwd – we nearly lost that one – with all respect to St Charles I can see them on the comeback trail and I hope they get stronger as time goes by
– hopefully we will play them in the near future, maybe some staggered games and it would be great to have the Saints back in the Mix – Looking back at what House did to Kearsney last weekend I think it will be a long afternoon for St Charles , but all the best for your teams
Hopefully this team sheet – reflects who is actually going to play and hopefully the position that they are going to play in. This is the team that started the season with some decent results, but due to injuries have not be able to play as a full strength side. Blake Mingay at centre could be problem to whoever he comes up against, he just needs a little space and the ball. Hopefully the Glenwood doom and gloom boys are wrong about their 80 – 0 prediction.
That said what ever the scoreline there will definitely be lots of support. The hockey should be a cracker after their first game ended in a 2 all draw.
No need to mention a name but in light of recent information shared on the blog about the need for disciplinary action to be taken against players who receive red cards, there is one selection that does stand out.
@ Buffel- I hate to say this but K could be shipped by more than 20. I am also not sure why Westville have made 3 positional changes to the backline which was starting to find some fluidity. The CW centre moves to wing , the wing(Ball) moves to centre(13) and the outside centre (Anderson) moves to 12.
Maybe Guma is perceived to be too big a threat. Maybe as Ball is back next year( and Westville will have a dearth of wings) they want to see how he performs there. Still pretty risky but I suppose that is the downside to reward.
Well that settles the Craven Week Stand-down question: Looks like most of the lads will be on the park tomorrow. Good to see.
Oops.. The KC boys need to be on top form tomorrow. Just have a look down the front of the shorts and see if they have a set of ….