Formula driven rankings compiled by BoishaaiPa: “I am tweaking my formulas a bit to get a better result on real strength. I am looking to give teams that play quality opposition, but lose with close margins more bonuspoints. This will ensure that teams we know are strong, but have lost a few due to the strong opposition they have played don’t dwell down inbetween 40 and 50″
| RANK | THIS WEEK (NEW) | AVG | THIS WEEK (OLD) | AVG | LAST WEEK (OLD) | AVG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Grey College | 4.24 | Grey College | 4.28 | Grey College | 4.28 |
| 2 | Paul Roos | 3.98 | Paul Roos | 3.69 | Paul Roos | 3.69 |
| 3 | Garsfontein | 3.92 | Garsfontein | 3.58 | Garsfontein | 3.58 |
| 4 | Paarl Gim | 3.82 | Paarl Gim | 3.46 | Paarl Gim | 3.46 |
| 5 | Glenwood | 3.58 | Monument | 3.29 | Monument | 3.29 |
| 6 | Outeniqua | 3.57 | Oakdale | 3.22 | Oakdale | 3.22 |
| 7 | Oakdale | 3.52 | Glenwood | 3.21 | HJS Paarl | 3.15 |
| 8 | Grey PE | 3.52 | HJS Paarl | 3.15 | Glenwood | 3.14 |
| 9 | Monument | 3.50 | HTS Middelburg | 3.12 | HTS Middelburg | 3.12 |
| 10 | EG Jansen | 3.48 | EG Jansen | 3.11 | EG Jansen | 3.11 |
| 11 | HJS Paarl | 3.46 | Waterkloof | 3.11 | Waterkloof | 3.00 |
| 12 | Waterkloof | 3.44 | Wynberg BHS | 3.00 | Wynberg BHS | 3.00 |
| 13 | Wynberg BHS | 3.44 | Selborne | 3.00 | Grey PE | 2.97 |
| 14 | HTS Middelburg | 3.44 | Maritzburg College | 2.97 | Maritzburg College | 2.93 |
| 15 | Michaelhouse | 3.37 | Grey PE | 2.97 | Outeniqua | 2.90 |
| 16 | Selborne | 3.22 | Outeniqua | 2.90 | Selborne | 2.88 |
| 17 | Maritzburg College | 3.21 | Michaelhouse | 2.71 | Transvalia | 2.64 |
| 18 | Westville BHS | 3.17 | Transvalia | 2.64 | HTS Louis Botha | 2.58 |
| 19 | Bishops | 3.07 | Westville BHS | 2.59 | Bishops | 2.56 |
| 20 | Boland Landbou | 3.02 | HTS Louis Botha | 2.58 | Michaelhouse | 2.53 |
| 21 | Transvalia | 3.01 | Bishops | 2.56 | Westville BHS | 2.52 |
| 22 | Affies | 3.01 | Menlopark | 2.48 | Tygerberg | 2.43 |
| 23 | Nelspruit | 3.00 | Tygerberg | 2.43 | Menlopark | 2.40 |
| 24 | Menlopark | 2.98 | Stellenberg | 2.38 | Stellenberg | 2.38 |
| 25 | HTS Louis Botha | 2.90 | Voortrekker (Bethlehem) | 2.35 | Voortrekker (Bethlehem) | 2.35 |
| 26 | Kempton Park | 2.88 | Nelspruit | 2.32 | Nelspruit | 2.32 |
| 27 | Stellenberg | 2.84 | Kempton Park | 2.32 | Kearsney | 2.27 |
| 28 | Framesby | 2.79 | Dale College | 2.29 | Affies | 2.25 |
| 29 | KES | 2.77 | Affies | 2.25 | Kempton Park | 2.24 |
| 30 | Sentraal | 2.74 | KES | 2.24 | Dale College | 2.22 |
| 31 | Voortrekker (Bethlehem) | 2.72 | Die Brandwag | 2.21 | KES | 2.22 |
| 32 | Die Brandwag | 2.70 | Kearsney | 2.09 | Die Brandwag | 2.21 |
| 33 | Tygerberg | 2.69 | Jeppe | 2.08 | Helpmekaar | 2.11 |
| 34 | Kearsney | 2.64 | Diamantveld | 2.03 | Jeppe | 2.08 |
| 35 | Dale College | 2.63 | Sentraal | 1.93 | Jim Fouche | 2.04 |
| 36 | Marlow | 2.58 | Helpmekaar | 1.90 | Diamantveld | 2.03 |
| 37 | Noord-Kaap | 2.56 | St Andrews | 1.87 | Sentraal | 1.93 |
| 38 | Centurion | 2.52 | Marlow | 1.86 | Marlow | 1.86 |
| 39 | Diamantveld | 2.51 | Framesby | 1.82 | Framesby | 1.82 |
| 40 | Helpmekaar | 2.51 | Boland Landbou | 1.81 | Eldoraigne | 1.82 |
| 41 | Eldoraigne | 2.51 | Queens College | 1.77 | Boland Landbou | 1.81 |
| 42 | Klerksdorp | 2.44 | Klerksdorp | 1.73 | Queens College | 1.79 |
| 43 | Queens College | 2.33 | Nico Malan | 1.70 | St Andrews | 1.76 |
| 44 | Jeppe | 2.32 | Eldoraigne | 1.69 | Klerksdorp | 1.71 |
| 45 | St Andrews | 2.24 | Noord-Kaap | 1.60 | Nico Malan | 1.70 |
| 46 | Nico Malan | 2.19 | Linden | 1.50 | Noord-Kaap | 1.60 |
| 47 | Northwood | 2.16 | Hugenote (Well) | 1.49 | Fichardpark | 1.48 |
| 48 | HTS Drostdy | 2.12 | Fichardpark | 1.48 | Linden | 1.45 |
| 49 | Daniel Pienaar | 2.08 | Centurion | 1.39 | Northwood | 1.43 |
| 50 | SACS | 2.08 | HTS Drostdy | 1.39 | Centurion | 1.39 |
@All Black: Again..You are looking at the wrong ranking….It was a suggested alternative, which obviously have to much emphases on awarding a loss… You need to look at the “Old” rankings…That is still the official ones.
@Playa: and equally , forcing a homosexual one to remain in their presence, going back many yrs
@badboy: TJO! Banishment from GHS!!! Now that’s how you punish a heterosexual schoolboy
Then if you look at the Top 20 (might differ here and there, depending on which alternative you use, the representation of schools per province is as follows:
FS 2 (1)
WC 4 (5)
KZN 4
Bulls 2
lions 3
SWD 2
@BOG: Show’s you what age does the heaviest thing I have there days is neat coke.
@Queenian: No, not offended at all. I have always received what you said, with the clear impression, that it was all tongue-in-the-cheek. If I sensed any malice whatsoever, I would have told you so. And I am such a boring socialite these days, the strongest “cold one”, would be a Rasbery and when I really let my hair down, I may have a few Stony ginger beers@badboy: Look, I respect your confidentiality, but you have never answered my question. Are you the son of J (younger brother) or P (the older one)? And I shall not delve further.GHS would get anyone in trouble- even dull okes like Queenians. But they got so excited when seeing the Grey uniform. And the train tunnells around QT, although short, came in quite handy for a Grey boy. With a Queenian, even the whole night, was too short.
Last comment on this as it really means nothing in the greater scheme of things. Just looking at logic. College have lost 2 games to schools in the top 12. One game by 1 point. MHS have lost 4 games, one to a side ranked outside the top 50. MHS ranked higher than College. College beat MHS away. Sorry, but you can bring in all kinds of theories and formulas but that just doesn’t make sense. Do you take into account playing away or at home? Anyway, as I said, not important but there is a flaw here. You don’t have to explain the formulas again as there are ‘statistics, more statistics and then damn lies’. I think that is how the saying goes. It must take you guys an age to do this so really don’t want you to take it personally. Makes for good reading.
@Queenian: My dad paid Kenny Mac a visit in Plett the other day he says Kenny Mac said you were the one in the family who was always in trouble at school and that you were even banned from visiting GHS at some point.
@Queenian: You and Bog meeting up is scary most likely at the Old Age home tea room with your peoples vintage.
@Queenian: @BOG: I think the folks are over re-acting on the JJS thing don’t think they know the history behind JJS/QC/GCB so maybe they take your chirps in the wrong manner.
@BOG: @rugbyfan: @Speartackle: Gents if I have offended anybody in the regards to JJS that was never my intention, I have always taken it as a light hearted moment between Bog and myself and nothing else. So apologies to any one who has been offended.
@BOG: I think we will have to meet up personally to continue this subject if you ever going to be in the Eastern Cape let me know I think I owe you a few cold ones.
@MikeSt: They have not gained any points during their 3 losses as they lost by more than 7. Remember that it is an integrated system and one cannot look at single results from a single school as results and average of other schools aslo have impact on where they will end up in the ranking. The system works on average points gained per match and doesnt look at individual match-ups against schools. On average, the school that has done better will be ranked higher.
@BoishaaiPa: I completely agree and think that the 2nd alternative is a good system.
I just couldn’t get my head around that fact that losing narrowly to PG for example was as good as beating Bishops or Wynberg.
I am a fan of your ranking system though, as I think it gives the best indication of strength in schools rugby.
@Grasshopper: Feeling put upon today?. All Black asked a question about the move in rankings, not the fairness of the overall ranking. When two schools that played each other two weeks ago, and then played a common opponent in the last 2 weeks have such radical moves it prompts a question.
@BoishaaiPa: Maybe my maths are of a lower grade level but i dont understand the logic.
lets take EG Jansen they have lost only 3 games this season against the 3 Nr 1’s from Kwazulu Natal Glenwood, Cheetahs Grey College, WC Paul Roos.
They have beaten HTS Middelburg convincingly twice and Grey PE for example and still in this method they are ranked below them?
HTS Middelburg in return has won against Garsfontein.
Monument lost against Kempton park etc etc
If you look a a school like Transvalia they have not played anyone in the Top 50 and still they cme in at No 19.
Maybe im stupid in this category if so please assist me in my stupidity
@Gold: In the 2nd alternate scenario a victory against Bishops wil earn you 4 points while a close loss to PRG or PG will give you 3 points (60% of 5 cat points). This seems a bit more fair as you will alwyas earn more points by winning. Thus schools playing a relative “easier” category 3 school and winning will earn the same points as someone just losing by 7 or less against a Cat 5 top ranked school. I dont think anyone will have a problem with that. You will still need to win more games than you lose to be able to crack the top 20…
@All Black: Yes, They are Around 19 to 21 in all three.
Here is another alternate where bonuspoints for losing with less than 7 points is 60% of the category point and no points for losing by more opposed to 80% in alternate 1 and some points for losing ….Somehow this one looks more realistic to me…..
1 Grey College 4.28
2 Paul Roos 3.84
3 Garsfontein 3.78
4 Paarl Gim 3.59
5 Monument 3.43
6 HJS Paarl 3.31
7 Glenwood 3.28
8 Grey PE 3.23
9 Oakdale 3.22
10 HTS Middelburg 3.21
11 Outeniqua 3.18
12 Wynberg BHS 3.15
13 Waterkloof 3.14
14 EG Jansen 3.11
15 Michaelhouse 3.06
16 Maritzburg College 3.03
17 Selborne 3.00
18 Westville BHS 2.78
19 Transvalia 2.70
20 Bishops 2.64
21 HTS Louis Botha 2.58
22 Nelspruit 2.56
23 Menlopark 2.56
24 Stellenberg 2.52
25 Tygerberg 2.43
26 Voortrekker 2.42
27 Kempton Park 2.41
28 Die Brandwag 2.41
29 Dale College 2.34
30 KES 2.29
31 Affies 2.29
32 Boland Landbou 2.24
33 Framesby 2.22
34 Sentraal 2.20
35 Kearsney 2.18
36 Diamantveld 2.09
37 Marlow 2.06
38 Jeppe 1.96
39 Klerksdorp 1.93
40 Helpmekaar 1.90
41 Queens College 1.90
42 Noord-Kaap 1.86
43 St Andrews 1.83
44 Eldoraigne 1.74
45 Nico Malan 1.73
46 Daniel Pienaar 1.61
47 Centurion 1.61
48 HTS Drostdy 1.56
49 Linden 1.50
50 Fichardpark 1.46
@BoishaaiPa: I think that both rankings reflect a good indication of the top 15-20 teams.
Just a few thoughts on what I have picked up and there is most definitely an argument either way: The original ranking reward victories irrespective of weather you play a highly ranked opponent or somebody who isn’t as feared.
The second ranking acknowledges that a 2 or 3 point loss to a top school school deserves credit and therefore rewards the losing team with more bonus points.
I think the weakness with the second ranking is that in the Cape for example, a good win against SACS (admittedly not very strong this year) or even Bishops who are playing well, isn’t worth any more than a close loss to Paul Roos or Paarl Gym. I feel that winning should be rewarded, but understand the need to acknowledge a spirited effort against the giants SA schools rugby.
Just a thought, so what do others think?
@BoishaaiPa: Oh ok. Very interesting. Difficult job to get it accurate. Are Bishops close to top 20? They have a good side from what I have heard.
@Gungets Tuft: Not liking me today?
@BoishaaiPa: I agree with the thanks expressed by Spear, you obviously do this for the love of SBR. Take my criticisms of your system from time to time with a pinch of salt, I look at it from the perspective of the school that I support and accept that we do not play the top teams on a regular basis. I do believe yours is the most scientific system of the lot.
BTW, I like the old system better
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OK..Mr Beet now posted all three!…The “NEW” one is only a proposed alternate one making use of a system were more bonuspoints are awarded for close losses. Thus some teams will get a better average and move up the rankings. Some teams will gain an advantage (Like Boland Landbou) and some will loose a few spots because others jumped ahead of them. This is just a proposal and not implemented as yet.
@BoishaaiPa: Buy a donkey, that makes sense. I will get back in my box now.
@BoishaaiPa: Whichever one is published I stand by yours. You have proven yourself . Thank you sir for your thankless effort
@All Black: Relax Guys..Beet confused us all by posting a proposed “ALTERNATE” ranking system to the current one used. This alternate one makes more use of losing bonus points and is not comparable to last weeks one. The correct one he should have published looks like this and is comparable to last weeks.
1 Grey College 4.28
2 Paul Roos 3.69
3 Garsfontein 3.58
4 Paarl Gim 3.46
5 Monument 3.29
6 Oakdale 3.22
7 Glenwood 3.21
8 HJS Paarl 3.15
9 HTS Middelburg 3.12
10 EG Jansen 3.11
11 Waterkloof 3.11
12 Wynberg BHS 3.00
13 Selborne 3.00
14 Maritzburg College 2.97
15 Grey PE 2.97
16 Outeniqua 2.90
17 Michaelhouse 2.71
18 Transvalia 2.64
19 Westville BHS 2.59
20 HTS Louis Botha 2.58
I asked Beet to rather post the original ranking. The proposed alternate one was just there to get some comment and feedback on the results if I used a bonuspoint system that rewards close losses more.
@All Black: Agreed!!
@Grasshopper: In the last week House went up 5, College dropped 3. That’s a weekly thing, not the season. It’s hard to explain. I couldn’t care about the position but the ranking system intrigues me more than a limited slip diff does. My limited analytical brain would put it down to the 3 schools that passed College playing very highly ranked opposition and winning, College playing a lower ranked opposition and getting no points for it. Given that College beat Kearsney a few weeks ago, and House last week, it’s a little strange that College didn’t see a big rise after those 2 victories.
It’s not about “fair for the season”, it’s about the mechanics. I don’t keep a record, perhaps if I look at the movements for the season, week on week, it would make more sense to me. i.e College moved up after the Kearsney game (ala House after Kearseny), then again after the House game, and then House moved up after Kearsney … eeisch. My brain just tilted …
@Queenian: @rugbyfan: I may have, inadvertently,crossed the line regarding JJS on one or two occasions, but I certainly am not offended. I have truly experienced some humorous incidents, going back decades, but never have I looked down on these kids. I have said it before- I have been directly involved in the care of less fortunate children for almost 30 yrs. In fact, my “adopted” daughter(I dont even regard her as adopted) , who I love dearly, comes from those circumstances. So, I am the last person who would deliberately make hurtful comments. I see the human suffering daily in what I do, and my comments generally, have “occasionally” reflected that because when you witness what is currently happening, it is difficult to contain ones anger.It has never been my impression that anyone here, would deliberately make malicious comments, but perhaps we should all agree to taper our comments a little
Oh my word. Just too frustrating. Gone again.
@All Black: nope, it’s about quality of the opposition over the season not just a couple of weeks…top 20 is very fair for College….
What a joke. Maritzburg College beat MHS away and then beat DHS by 50 points and go down 3 places. MHS overtake them?????? Something horribly wrong with this system, not that it is important.
I stand by Pinotage in this regard. I’ve been trying not to follow the dig at JJS but I just can’t seem to ignore any of Bog’s comments. Whether they make sense or not but I also make a plead to the gentlemen having a go at JJS to please think again. I’m also a product of state institutions nationwide and if you weren’t in there yet then rather not make silly comments. These sort of comments are normally from the kids who come from the prestige schools and at the end of the day it really hurt us and we never forget it.
@Queenian: Hey I see you got your butt kicked by Pinotage about your old school.
@Pinotage: Well I know what you mean about JJS and we should never speak badly about people who never had the same up bring we had and the good this school has done in the past, but I think maybe you have missed the back ground of the quips between Queenian and Bog mainly and sometime myself I don’t think any malice was ever intended and as a person who has personally got to know Queenian over the past 30 years I doubt that has was his intention in actual fact he is still friendly to this day with a boy who was at JJS. And would go as far as to say that if JJS was a big rugby school Bog and Queenian would be two of there biggest supporters.
@Pinotage: Lets start JJS has and always been a place that does immense good for kids from bad homes and from a bad start to life which most of those kids had no say in, I personally knew quite a few boys who went to JJS and there was nothing wrong with them in anyway. I personally knew the one Headmaster of JJS who was a Queens old boy and I only have the utmost respect for the school and people there and what they do for kids, its is such a pity that the goverement has let it fall into such a bad state.
So there is no bad or humiliation meant in any of my comments and all my quips about this have always been a dig at BOG and Rugbyfan who are both true gentleman of your old school GCB and visa versa.
So please if you are offended by this, it was not my intention and your point about the school I agree with 100%.
@BOG: As a Old Boy of this school hope you don’t take any offence.
@Queenian:
During my proffessional career, I had the unenviable task of dealing with many boys in the Childrens Court. Some of the boys ended up in court mainly as a result of very poor circumstances at home. Some of them were abused by adults, and many of them broke down in tears when they had to tell the reasons for being there.
Just about all of these boys did not enjoy the niceties that are prevalent in most households. They did not know what it means to have a loving father and mother who support and care for them. They were often boys with limited intellectual ability. But they were often not without the burning desire to get somewhere in life. To be useful citizens.
A few of these boys ended up at JJS in Queenstown where the staff did there best to try and help these boys to get somewhere in life. To become useful citizens of this country.
Yet some privileged people like yourself, do their best to humiliate JJS whenever you can.
Can I please ask of you to stop this. Some Oldboy of JJS might just be as keen on SBR as me and you, and reading the comments. Please just stop it.
@David: Grey havnt lost yet, so dont gain any points as the others did and Affies dropped out of the Top Cat 5 to a 4.5..thus Grey and everyone that played them lose a slight 0,5 winning point…Formula driven system uses Top 10 to determine Top category,
@Gold: IF a team looses by less than 7 points it gains 80% of the category point.
@Lindenpa: LIke any other product you have to try an improve on it to make it relative. The same goes with the formula driven system.
@BOG: When one makes an observation based on fact, it does not mean that there is anything wrong with the process followed to get the result. It is an observation. The facts are that the Free State CW side is made up of representatives of 2 schools.
Therefore, one can (maybe maliciously) ask the question whether any other schools play rugby in the Free State. It is said tongue in cheeck. If this offends scholars, teachers, supporters, sponsors or the greater Free State society, I appologise.
Your summary of the schools per region makes for interesting reading. My observation is that it is well representative of where the schoolboy rugby strength lies.
@kosie: Just for your easy reference, I have made a quick count of the schools out of the “Top 50” from the different regions. You are free to combine, manipulate ect. as you please, but you will notice that there are several other rugby playing schools in the region- if the list is used as a guideline. Central: 6; Stormers/SWD 10; Bulls 6; Lions :6; Sharks: 6; Border: 2 ; EP: 5
@Woltrui: Not sure why De Wet was brought into this, but did he sign the “peace” treaty in Vereeniging? I dont think so.@kosie: Besides the quota system, I thought that the purpose of a representative team, is to select the strongest available side.And in case there is even a remote chance that you are hinting at prejudice and favouritism, GCB has only now contributed to the coaching team, for the first time for quite a while(as assistant) . And looking at their performance over an extended period, I would say that their selection criteria is spot on.
“I am tweaking my formulas a bit to get a better result on real strength. I am looking to give teams that play quality opposition, but lose with close margins more bonuspoints. This will ensure that teams we know are strong, but have lost a few due to the strong opposition they have played don’t dwell down inbetween 40 and 50″
This just shows that one can do anything with applying different formulae. It also brings in a subjective element into these rankings, as the formula is now tweaked to ensure teams “that (we?) know are strong” get a better ranking.
Then again, maybe I’m just pissed off that my ‘spannetjie’ has now disappeared from the lofty heights of a place in the top 50 on this blog. Ag well, as long as my ‘spannetjie’ just keeps on winning I’m happy. As I said in an earlier post, “Nothing dad, I just smiled”.
@Knight_CHS07: Really? I thought they had a decent under 15A team. Maybe I confused them for the under 16s.
@BOG: The point raised was that the Free State Team is made up of only 2 schools. Therefore the question; do other schools also play rugby in the Free State.
When you refer to the central region are you refering to Free State, Griquas and the Griffons? I have a very soft spot for the Free State and have family that actually play rugby there.
@BOG: Christiaan De Wet se Broer, n Greystater in murg in been, was blykbaar die Hoof Hoof Hensopper. Die moeder van alle veraaiers as my geskiedenis my nie in die steek laat nie. Blykbaar sommer die wapen opgeneem en sy Broers gejag
@BHP: Ek hou van die nuwe formule. Gee n beter weerspieeling van die werklike krag in SA skole rugby
@BoishaaiPa Can you pls explain how almost all the teams ranking points increased between .2 to .7 even though most did not play but the nr 1’s points decreased?
@kosie: Count the number of schools on this “Top 50” list, which comes from within the Central Region and THEN compare that with your own region and then the others. Even you may notice that they play more than jukskei. I rest my case@Speartackle: And who, in your esteemed opinion, committed the socalled “treason”?
@BoishaaiPa Hi, I’m not against this twist to the rankings, but can you please explain the change in formula. How has the percentage of points changed for losing narrowly?
Boland Landbou seem to have benefited from the change, but they are not a bad team, so I can’t complain about their position.
@Playa: Lol, their u15A is not as good ours
. Or maybe BHP has mistaken Hudson Park for Grens 
@Knight_CHS07:
I suspect BHP may have been looking at their Under 15A results
@kosie: I suppose if you go to schools like Sentraal, Jim Fouche, Fichardt Park, St Andrews, Bultfontein, Brandfort, Theunissen, Edenburg, Reddersburg, Trompsburg, Wesburger Damelin, Halden Secondary or Botshabelo Academy you have no hope in hell of ever playing Craven Week in that high treason shanty town.
@Speartackle: I believe there are a few schools in the Free State but it is unknown whether they play rugby! I understand Kroonstad is the world centre for “jukskei”!
But then Kroonstad does not fall in the Free State for purposes of schoolboy rugby. Apparently Griffons!
@BOG: @beet: Ye JJS is a Private school based on GCB elite pupils sure some should make the Border Craven week team based on the quote system at least one player must be from a criminal back ground.
Are there only 2 schools in the whole of the OFS?
What a joke
Borders on FRAUD
@BOG: Yes you are correct – Ruben Schoeman started the year playing for the Peaches, but moved up to the Cherries for the last three games (I think). However he is a massive guy and I believe the selectors were looking for more bulk upfront. I’ve also heard rumours that the Cheetahs has signed Schoeman for the junior teams next year.
@beet: Apparently, as I understand, Schoeman is from the third team
Hudson Park @ 40????
How did they get up there?
@BOG: I was surprised to see that Cas only made Academy Week for FS, so I assumed Schoeman was either a player who had impressed for the Cherries or returned from injury. Watch out for Jurie Burger. He is still in Gr.11. Expect big things from him next year.
@BOG:
# FREE STATE SCHOOL
1 R. Terblanche Grey College
2 JC. van Vuuren Grey College
3 J. Botha Grey College
4 J. Burger Grey College
5 R. Schoeman Grey College
6 D. Bezuidenhout Grey College
7 V. Maruping Louis Botha
8 A. Jonker Grey College
9 S. Cupido Louis Botha
10 D. Wessels Grey College
11 D. Koopman Louis Botha
12 M. Andrade Grey College
13 N. Stannard Grey College
14 P. Mbangi Louis Botha
15 L. Steenkamp Grey College
16 G. Wenn Louis Botha
17 G. Khanya Louis Botha
18 IG. Prinsloo Grey College
19 K. Skipper Louis Botha
20 D. Badenhorst Grey College
21 L. Hein Louis Botha
22 C. Jeandre Louis Botha
23 J. Jordaan Grey College
@BOG: Hi Bog I’m sure it was posted. Look under the menu Craven Week. However we are still waiting for the JJS team to be announced.
Beet, any news of the Free State CW side? I heard that there was an interesting selection, The lock from GCBs 3rd team made the side as “first choice”, while the one first team lock is in the Academy side. (and it has nothing to do with quotas)