You can read up about the draft here : http://www.talk.ruggas.co.za/?p=239
Teams below
| Quagga #1 | Shawn #2 | BMT #3 | Sabbat #4 | Hooit #5 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Wiehan Bezuidenhout (Affies) | Conrad v Aswegen (Noord Kaap) | Nkosi Masuku (Parktown) | Willem Coetzer (Diamantveld) | MJ Straus (Boishaai) |
| 2 | Johan van Zyl (Affies) (Capt) | SP Muller (Nelspruit) | Fezokhle Mbatha (Maritzburg) | Ruhann Greyling (Grey C) | Rory Leijdekkers (Noord Kaap) |
| 3 | Tristan Leitch (Paul Roos) | Asenathi Ntlabakanye (Saints) | Joshua Du Preez (Boishaai) | Keegan Glade (KES) | Naude Naude (Grey C) |
| 4 | Ian Kitwanga (Parklands) | Sibusiso Madonsela (Piet Retief) | Gideon van Niekerk (Noord Kaap) | Edward Laubscher (Glenwood) | Janko Swanepoel (Stell) |
| 5 | Carl Els (Affies) | Justin Sadie (Menlo) | Pierre Pretorius (HJS) | Xavier Haupt (Bellville) | Louis Meiring (Outeniqua) |
| 6 | Ruben Roodt (Garsies) | Gustav de Jager (Waterkloof) | Vian Fourie (Boishaai) | Jonathan O Neil (EG Jansen) | Chris Rossouw (Paarl Gim) |
| 7 | Marcel Theunissen (Grey) | Dylan Richardson (Kearsney) | Dylan Kruger (Glenwood) | Renier van Zyl (Diamantveld) | Cristen v Niekerk (Monnas) Capt |
| 8 | Lehan du Toit (Helpies) | Benjamin Clarke (Helpmekaar) | Adam Mountford (Selborne) | Arno Nieuwoudt (GCB) | Chris du Toit (PBHS) |
| 9 | Ruhan Viviers (Helpies) | Oscar Evans (St Andrews) | Sanele Nohamba (DHS) | Vusile Dlepu (SACS) | Thinus Combrinck (Monnas) |
| 10 | Abner van Reenen (Boishaai) | Murray Koster (St Andrews) | David Coetzer (Selborne) | Charles Williams (Diamant) (K) | Jonathan Viljoen (Monnas) Kick |
| 11 | Ashwill Botha (Diamantveld) | Dillan Pieterse (Outeniqua) | Stuart Tait (Boishaai) | Tyler Haywards (KES) | Duran Nasson (Boland) |
| 12 | WesleyThompson (Garsfontein) | Ulrich Maritz (WK) | Jay Cee Nel (Oakdale) | Rufus Dercksen (Paul Roos) | Waqar Solaan (Grey PE) |
| 13 | Mitchelle vd Merwe (P Gim) | DJ Falconer (Rondebosch) | Divan Enslin (Boishaai) | Rikus Pretorius (Grey Coll) Capt | Kennedy Mpeku (KES) |
| 14 | Cameron Hufke (Noord Kaap) | David Cary (Helpies) | Sebastiaan Jobb ( Duineveld) | Angelo Davids (Stellenb) | Janco van Heyningen (Grey C) |
| 15 | Colia Louis (Paul Roos) (Kick) | Jarred du Plessis (Hudson) | Duren Hoffman (Boland Land) | Cham Zondeki (DHS) | Charles Goedhals (Affies) |
| – | – | – | – | – | |
| 16 | Steven Billing(Garsfontein) | Andre Nel (Stirling) | Viaan Wolmarans (Framesby) | De Wet Truter (Glenwood) | Ruben Veldsman (WK) |
| 17 | – | – | – | – | – |
| 18 | Eben Brand (Monnas) | Ignis Meyer (Helpmekaar) | Thembi Mangwana (Kingswood) | Magnus Muller (Oakdale) | Gerrit Visser (Waterkloof) |
| 19 | Daniel vd Berg (Oakdale) | De Wet Marais (Grey College) | Thomas Westermeyer (Clifton) | Domenique McArthur (EG) | Andre Hanekom (Stellenberg) |
| 20 | Liam van den Berg (Helpmekaar) | Ziyanda Msipah (KES) | Teboho Rampai (HTS Louis Botha) | Sujai Ikemefuna (SACS) | Cornel Kotze (HJS) |
| 21 | Ross Goodwin (Bishops) | Renier Gerber (Heuwelkruin) | Keaton Swartz (HTS Louis Botha) | Giovanne Snyman (Waterkloof) | Christian Humphries (Trinity) |
| 22 | Ruben Beytell (EG Jansen) | Ofentse Maubane (Hkruin) | Luka Ferreira (HJS) | Jandre Pretorius (Waterkloof) | Jacques van Biljon (Stellenberg) |
| 23 | – | – | – | – | – |
| – | – | – | – | – | |
| HC | Braam v Straaten (St Charles) | Divan Batt (Stellenberg) | Jeremy Mclaren (Glenwood) | Rudi Dames (Pta Boys High) | Sean Erasmus (Boishaai) |
| BC | Mziwakhe Nkosi (KES) | Scott Mathie (DHS) | Elmo Wolvaardt (Boishaai) | Shaun Jackson (Helpies) | |
| FC | – | – | – | – | |
| Kattes #6 | Charl #7 | Beet #8 | Louis #9 | Carl #10 | |
| 1 | Cameron Dawson (Paul Roos) | Hugo Pienaar (Paarl Gim) | Le-Klue Stokes (Brandwag) | Dian Bleuler (Oakdale) | Alexander Mbete (Paul Roos) |
| 2 | Tiaan Droskie (Boland Landbou) | Wilhelm Barnard (Boishaai) | Mark Venter (Selborne) | Jason Alexander (Wynberg) | Dameon Venter (Helpmekaar) |
| 3 | Rocky Knox (Michaelhouse) | James Combrinck (Affies) | Cameron Moodie (Selborne) | Tori Maritz (Eldoraigne) | Wolvaardt Meades (Witteberg) |
| 4 | Herman Le Roux (Boland) | Marko van Niekerk (Boland Landbou) | Adriaan Ludick (Paarl Gim) | Travis Gordon (KES) | JJ vd Mescht (Glenwood) |
| 5 | Ruben Kotze (WK) | Aaron Brody (Queens) | Ollie Calvert-Evers (MHS) | Breyten Maritz (Paul Roos) | Elrich Louw (Transvalia) |
| 6 | Franke Horn (Boishaai) | PJ Jacobs (Monnas) | Bevan Prinsloo (Grey PE) | Leander du Plessis (Kempies) | Larko Lindes (Monnas) |
| 7 | Pepsi Buthelezi (DHS) | Mark Snyman (Helpies) (Capt) | Jaco Labuschagne (Affies) | Phillip van Dyk Paul Roos) | Henco Martins (Paarl Gim) |
| 8 | Sean van Binsbergen (Brakkies) | Andreas Breytenbach (Outeniqua) | Ulrich Stander (Welkom Gim) | Tawanda Mutuma (Saints) | Philip Potgieter (Affies) |
| 9 | Eric Myburgh (HJS) | Johan Mulder (Affies) | Robert Davis (Rondebosch) | Gerado Jaars (PRG) | Lian du Toit (Oakdale) |
| 10 | Stephan vd Bank (Nelspruit) | Christopher Schreuder (Grey) | Boeta Chamberlain Boishaai) | Aphelele Fassi (Dale) | Kieran Houlston (St Johns) |
| 11 | Yanga Hlalu (KES) | Siphamandla Matsinya (Dale) | Marnus Potgieter (Affies) | Vivian Kapp (Marlow) | Brendon Buitendag (Monnas) |
| 12 | QuAn EyMann (Brakkies) | Dan Aspeling (Bellville) (GC) | Zach Briel (Affies) | Edmund Ludick (Oos Moot) | Tshepo Chipu (St Johns) |
| 13 | Jeremy Randall (Helpies) | Sicelo Tole (Muir) | Matt More (St Andrews) | De-An Ackerman (Diamantveld) | Oliver Schuurmans (SACS) |
| 14 | Prince Nkabinde ( H/hout ) | Thakir Abrahams (Boishaai) | Henk Cilliers (Grey College) | Morne v Rensburg (Glenwood) | Muller du Plessis (Paarl Gim) |
| 15 | Dandre Prinsloo (Monnas) | Jason Raubenheimer (Selb) | David Kriel (Grey College) | Ruan Wasserman (Affies) | Bertru Jones (Lichtenburg) |
| – | – | – | – | – | |
| 16 | Dean Jenkins (St Andrews) | Stephan Leonard (Outeniqua) | Ruan Jonker (Grey PE) | Dillon Minaar (Welkom Gim) | Darnell Osuagwu – Parktown |
| 17 | – | – | – | – | |
| 18 | Kudzwai Dube (Muir) | Callum Dugmore (St Andrew) | Morne Stander (Transvalia) | CJ Steinhobel (Garsfontein) | |
| 19 | Ross Taylor (Kearsney) | Stephan Nieuwenhuizen (Selborne) | Marius Slabbert (Nelspruit) | Renier Troskie (Nelspruit) | |
| 20 | Andre Rust (Selborne) | Michael Goodall (Hugenote) | Keagan Lichtfield (Jeppe) | Franco van Wyk (Transvalia) | |
| 21 | Mitchell Connellan (Selborne) | Graham Curtis (Hilton) | Sachin Toring (Daniel Pienaar) | Joaquin Taute (Oakdale) | |
| 22 | Ruben Scholtz (Paarl Gim) | Hanru van Rooyen (Potch Gim) | Luke Rossouw (Monnas) | Lohann Jahns (Lichtenburg) | |
| 23 | – | – | – | – | |
| – | – | – | – | ||
| HC | Corne Kannemeyer (Stell) | Tjaart vd Walt (Monnas) | Johan du Plessis (Garsfontein) | Jaco Dames (Diamantveld) | Oloff Bergh (Boland Landbou) |
| BC | Pieter Rossouw (Paarl Gim) | Carl Bradfield (St Andrews) | Kennedy Tsimba (St Albans) | Thinus Pienaar (Parel Vallei) | |
| FC | – | – | – | – |
Draft order
| DATE | DAY | Pos | P | R | I | O | R | I | T | Y | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 04-Oct-17 | Monday | 7 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
| 05-Oct-17 | Tuesday | 14 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 |
| 06-Oct-17 | Wednesday | 3 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 |
| 07-Oct-17 | Thursday | 10 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 08-Oct-17 | Friday | HC | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
| 09-Oct-17 | Saturday | 6 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
| 10-Oct-17 | ||||||||||||
| 11-Oct-17 | Monday | 15 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
| 12-Oct-17 | Tuesday | 4 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |
| 13-Oct-17 | Wednesday | 11 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
| 14-Oct-17 | Thursday | 2 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 1 |
| 15-Oct-17 | Friday | 13 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
| 16-Oct-17 | Saturday | 8 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 |
| 17-Oct-17 | ||||||||||||
| 18-Oct-17 | Monday | BC | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 |
| 19-Oct-17 | Tuesday | 9 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 20-Oct-17 | Wednesday | 5 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
| 21-Oct-17 | Thursday | 12 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
| 22-Oct-17 | Friday | 1 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
| 23-Oct-17 | Saturday | 16 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |
| 24-Oct-17 | ||||||||||||
| 25-Oct-17 | Monday | 22 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
| 26-Oct-17 | Tuesday | 18 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 1 |
| 27-Oct-17 | Wednesday | 19 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
| 28-Oct-17 | Thursday | 20 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 |
| 29-Oct-17 | Friday | 21 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 |
| 30-Oct-17 | Saturday | FC | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 31-Oct-17 | ||||||||||||
| 01-Nov-17 | Monday | 17 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
| 02-Nov-17 | Tuesday | 23 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
I see #kattes is taking the field with 1 reserve and 1 coach – old school.
There might be 1 boy that slipped through the cracks with the best surname for a back line player ever.
I saw Nico Malan play a few times this year and Kevin SLOW was a player that caught the eye. Against Framesby and Brandwag he was great at centre I hope he gets to play meaningful rugby next year.
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@Hooit: mens moet darrem vreeslik belangrik wees as so baie mense jou ken.
@Riempies: Hoekom bly jy nou vir so lank kwaad? Verstaan jy wat gebeur het?
@Die Ken: Vra vir Ploeg.
@Hooit: So wie is jy nou eintlik?
@Rainier: Mors ek nou my data verniet. Jy moes lankal so gese het. Jy kan vir Beet ook my besonderhede vra. Maar ek glo almal wat ek genoem het kan jou ook help.
@Hooit: Ek kan seker net vir Tjaart vra.
@Hooit: Ons het die jaar die /13 Super 12 gewen, ek is al 2 weke lank vrolik.
@Hooit: Danke Hooit. @ Rainier bedoel die manne van Helpmekaar. Jy meer as welkom om my te kontak. Ek kruip nie weg nie.
Dit gaan nie eers oor kontrakte hier nie. Ek dink die manne doen dit vir die FUN of hoe @Kattes, @Hooit en @ Quagga?
Kan glad nie sien hoekom julle persoonlik aangeval moet word of gekritiseer moet word nie…
Geen kind hier gedraft kry enige voordeel daaruit nie?!!
Dan bly dit elkeen se opinie.
@Rainier: En as jy nie weet wie ek is nie dan vra jy vir Spier. Hy weet alles. Maar as jy nie Spier se nommer het nie hoor dan by Playa wie is McCulleys wat weet wie Bush is wat weet wie Spear is wat weet wie Andre T is wat weet wie Greenmamba is wat weet wie Greenman is wat weet wie Buddy is wat weet wie Rugbyman is wat weet wie Quagga is wat weet wie R&R is wat weet wie Valkie is wat weet wie Laevelder is wat weet wie Nellies renoster is wat weet wie Murrayfield is wat weet wie ek is. Maar as jy nie weet wie Playa is nie vra vir Kattes wie Guts and Glory is wat weet wie………….
@knowthegame: Alhoewel ek nou nie betrokke wil raak by n klipgooiery nie, moet ek tog met jou saamstem oor die kontrak storie. Die getal spelers wie se kontrak na twee jaar hernu word is bitter klein. En bygesê! Verreweg die meeste skoolseuns word slegs vir een jaar geteken na skool. Die manne wat twee jaar kry is die uitsonderings. Maar ja ! Die valbyl slaan daarna hard toe.
@knowthegame: Alhoewel ek nou nie betrokke wil raak by n klipgooiery nie, moet ek tog met jou saamstem oor die kontrak storie. Die getal spelers wie se kontrak na twee jaar hernu word is bitter klein. En bygesê! Verreweg die meeste skoolseuns word slegs vir een jaar geteken na skool. Die manne wat twee jaar kry is die uitsonderings. Maar ja ! Die valbyl slaan daarna hard toe.
@Rainier:Jy weet wie ek is. Kontak my dan sê ek jou wie Riempies is. Kan jou ook sy nommer gee. My oudste sê my jul het daram al bietjie reen gehad die week. Jou moet dus vrolik wees.
@Riempies: Ek weet nie wie is jy nie, so dit kan nie almal wees nie.
@knowthegame: Dankie vir jou weise raad. Jy sal sien ek het gese hy kan my bel of whatsup aangesien hy en almal weet wie ek is.
@knowthegame: alhoewel ek nie terugvoer gekry het oor “misverstaan” glo ek die sakie is opgelos
@knowthegame: Na die afgelope 2 jaar as jy praat van n spesifieke skool is dit Helpies, Monnas of Kes? Blyk my mense op die blog het n lang rustige vakansie nodig.
kan julle Helpies manne nie mekaar bel en julle bollie uitsorteer nie.Dit nie goed vir kinders,skool en julle eie bes nie.Word groot en sort julle issues uit oor n bier.Laat ek julle memory net weer bietjie refresh en ek praat uit ondervinding.Niemand gee om of jou kind CW of SAS gespeel het nie. As die kind dit nie maak in sy 2 jaar kontrak, is al wat tel,watter graad hy kry en sy toekoms is beslis nie rugby nie.Al die uitverkore kinders van n spesifieke skool in JHB wat altyd Cravenweek moet speel,vat my raad.Julle met uitsondering van 1of 2, is in vir n rude awakening.Eerstens moes jy nie n kontrak gekry het nie maar die “system” waarborg jou mos een. Ek hoop jy swot ook of jou Pa het n baie goeie besigheid want net die beste en sterkste oorleef na 2 jaar en dan “you on your own”
@Hooit: Ek het gesien hy was in die OP GK span verlede jaar. Vir Despatch. Lyk my manne loop maar oral rond.
@Rainier: Hy is vervang aangesien hy nie in graad 12 is nie.
@Kattes-Strofes: Kattes, lees ook maar wat ek vir Riempies geskryf het in hierdie verband. Daar is geen algemene beskuldiging na julle kant m.b.t. keuses. My stelling is DAT daar heelwat talent is wat nog nie ontdek is nie – vir verskeie redes. Ek het ook verwys na die baie Groot rugby skole wat spelers in 2e end 3e spanne kan he wat nog groot rugby kan speel.
@Riempies: Lees alles weer en kyk of dit sin maak, sonder die emosie.
@Riempies: I think you guys missed the point (watching the ball and not the play?). I am saying there are many future prospects and guys that were not in the limelight, that will be missed. It is not the fault of the panel for not knowing about Keevy or Van Deventer’s scrumhalf abilities. I also did not blame any selector for that. Only said that there are still lots of unknown talent out there.
@Rainier: Ek ken hom nie so kan jou nie sê nie. My keuses sover in posisie behalwe vir een posisie. Ek kan daaroor praat. Wat dink jy van my uit posisie keuse. Ek glo hy kan n paar ander ore aansit?
@Kattes-Strofes: Kattes ek besef dit maar tog te goed. Daar is ongelukkig sommige wat dink hul kan dit beter doen. Maar dan as die uitdaging aan hulle gestel word dan is dit soos lee blikke.
Maar die gesegte is mos mens stry nie met experts en assholes nie.
@Hooit: Daai argument hou nie water nie. Waar word die streep getrek – as hy op /11 vlak of /15 vlak haker gespeel het?
Of 1 game uitgehelp het op haker op senior vlak?
@Rainier: Hy het glo al haker gespeel.
@BoishaaiPa: Kan hy slegter as Marx ingooi….?
@Riempies: Manne ! Julle besef rerig nie hoe moeilik dinge nou geraak het nie. Ek wil glo dat ek, en my mede keurders, tog erkenning wil gee aan talentvolle seuns.So noudat die begin spanne ge-finaliseer is(wat klaar moeilik was) probeer ons om seker te maak dat alle ander talent (waarvan ons darem kennis dra), erens opgeneem word. Daar sal maar soos altyd ongelukkiges wees, maar dit is onmoontlik vir ons om al die seuns in aksie te kon sien.
@Rainier: Een persoon wat n staatsgreep wil begin.
@Rainier: Sover my kennis strek is hy nog 0/17 en in Gr11. Hy het laasjaar nog Khomo gespeel vir OP…Haker?..Wie gaan die ingooi werk dan doen?
@BoishaaiPa: Now that the Helpmekaar Civil War has ended….
Eldon Lotz has been chosen as reserve hooker.
This draft has become a bit of a joke with the amount of players being chosen out of position.
@Quagga: how can you draft Gideon Stander as a backline coach if he has never been involved with Helpies 1st XV? Even though a fun effort, you kind of discrediting your picks.
Were your kids also promised provincial colours if they join the Stander training group? They do train there, don’t they?
The plot thickens.
@McCulleys Workshop: now that is a special breed. Doubt that I have the special attributes to survive or excel in that world.
@BrotherBear: Have you thought of a career in politics?
@Riempies: Truthfullness from the coaches? I believe those involved with Lions have already been compromised! You either assimilate or f..k ..f. Let’s see who has character?
@Riempies: I believe you have been truthfull, although not revealing all.
Remember the truth does not need an identity – it is what it is. Our society is so inundated with injustice that the truth tends to be castigated. Focus on the facts. Have you been blinded by smoke and mirrors? It tends to happen through aßociation with spin doctors.
@BrotherBear: As truthfull as you? Tell the poeple who you are. That will be very truthfull.
Then please give proof of were I have not been thruthfull and honest. I challence you. Or the coaches at Helpmekaar.
Kom boetie spill jou beans.
@Riempies: all of the questions.
I remain true to truth. Equally to the Lions nepotism, as to the Monnas, KES and Jeppe irregular influence as to the Helpies woefull ways. Keep it open and honest, and you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
This is a challenge to all bloggers out there. Are you self serving or have an interest in doing the right thing? Whether outside the school or inside, all must be fair and righteous – that is the goal. Or not?
@BrotherBear: watter vraag?
@Riempies: you do not answer my question?
@Riempies: listen, I am reflecting on issues that started last year and were never addtesed. I need to make sure they are sorted before my youngest comes through. All rhat is asked; don’t f..k with the children. This will not go away.
Nothing of what has been revealed in the past (mostly outside school) has been inaccurate or wrong. I remain true to truth.@Quagga: just like you, I am a media man. BUT for different reasons. I am NOT self serving.
@BrotherBear: Jy nou engils geword. Gaan praat dan by die skool nie hier op blog nie. En jy het nie n jonger lat nie.
@Riempies: listen, I am reflecting on issues that started last year and were never addtesed. I need to make sure they are sorted before my youngest comes through. All rhat is asked; don’t f..k with the children. This will not go away.
Nothing of what has been revealed in the past (mostly outside school) has been inaccurate or wrong. I remain true to truth.
@BrotherBear: vra ek ook. En jy weet goed wie hy is net soos ek weet wie jy is. Ma hou jouself ma dom.
Miskien moet bokke hom sommer ook betrek. Man duidelik met baie invloed.
Jy het my telefoon nommer. Whatsup my gerus dan hoef jy nie wasgoed hier te was nie.
@Riempies: wie is Pietie Meyer? Weet dat omtrent al Gideon Stander se spelers Leeus kleure gekry het. Voorwaar besonders. Hoekom was hy nog nooit betrokke by 1e span, as hy so goed is? Shit, the enigma deepens.
@BrotherBear: wat se kak vraag vra jy nou? Natuurlik. En Springbok kleure. Hy hoef glad nie daarvoor gewerk het nie. En joune da by Pietie Meyer?
@Riempies: the other half. Were you also promised that your son would achieve provincial colours if they join the Gideon Stander training group?
@Quagga: Dear sir, I stated a few facts, based on my view and comments from those around me. My position remains the same. There are many more deserving players out there than the 5% you mentioned. I apologise for not explaining the statistics aspect.
Herw goes. A small representative sample can explain the larger group behaviour. Therefore I do not need to give you 60 specific picks. The maths and logical explanation shows you that there is an etrremely high probably that there are more than 50 % highly talented players outside of your immediate scope. Once again: doing the draft exercise is no problem. Please just ensure the SBR community understands the context. I ask you because you are extremely close to “Ruggas”.
@BrotherBear: Yourself and?
@Riempies: please do not take my comments personally. I state the facts as I see them. I never said the selected players are not good. Only said my mentioned players are as good. This is not only my view but also orhers closer to the team.
@Hooit: Look to the Southern Subs.There is a centre who can play 12/13 fullback and wing and a good defender…very versatile and ideal for the bench
@BoishaaiPa: So do we get this tip privately. The drafters have a bad habit of stealing players.
@Rainier: Lotz is still in Gr 11 if I am not mistaken. If someone is looking for a very good outside centre who is under the radar..I have a good tip for you!
@Quagga: Apparently that Beet guy also drafted an outside centre at left wing, obviously thinks all positions are inter changeable.
Shame, and then Eldon Lotz gets left out in the cold…
I believe there is a boy in Koekenaap that said he wanted to play loosehead when he was 6 years old and he is now 18 years old, did any of you have him on your list? If not – Shame, Shame, Shame…..
@Rainier: And there they have gone and drafted Le-Kleu Stokes, the Eastern Province #3, as a loosehead (I have been assured he has played #1 this year as well). Apparently a guy by the name of Beet got him
.
@Quagga: Hierdie verskonings is onaanvaarbaar. Duidelik moet julle al die skool seuns in al die 1ste spanne ken in SA, maar terselfdertyd moet julle voorsiening maak vir span keuses wat die afrigters verkeerdelik gemaak het en dus moet al die 2de span seuns van al die skole in SA ook in berekening gebring word. Dan is daar seuns wat weens beserings nie speel nie, word hulle ook in ag geneem vir die proses? En wat van seuns wat nie rugby speel nie, maar baie talent het? Hoekom word hulle nie in ag geneem nie?
Ons soek nie verskonings nie…..
@BrotherBear: You asked a question. I answered it. If you don’t want an answer don’t put a question mark at the end of your sentence.
Those players mentioned are known to at least four of the people involved, some have been on the pick lists, including my own, others will appear when the benches are picked. Attacking the Helpmekaar coaches selection decisions on a public forum is questionable, but I am sure all the bloggers, myself included, have opinions about who the best players are that should be in a team, which positions they should play, who the kicker and who the captain should be etc. You have an opinion based on your frame of reference and so does everyone involved in the draft process. Each participant selects who they think is best. Arguing about players who have not been the regular choice in a school’s first team or a provincial Craven Week team is a non-starter. More than one have been on pick-lists and others have been drafted already. You have mentioned 4 players, 2 that have already featured on my own pick lists. Please mention the other 66.
@BrotherBear: I see you on a roll this morning. Good for you. You make a couple of bold statements hear. Both the players you mention have great talent. Keevy is a great individual player. He really have a great rugby brain. Is he better than Randall on center. I do not think so.
As we all know it is easier to come-up as an impact player after the opposition have been demoralized and tackled out of the park. I have watched them make many a start for the 2nd team with far less of an impact. But you will most probably know better.
I think you take this far to serious. It is poeple opinion as the above is yours!!
Please do not be personal. If you want to be then make yourself known to all. All know who myself and Quagga is.
@Quagga:
2. Frederik Van Deventer is on par as scrumhalf with Viviers, having as good a pass and a much better snipping ability. Kicking and reading of game equally good. He did not play regularly for first team and mostly had to do service on wing. With all that he probably scored the most tries for the season. He is not known to your “represented community”.
These 2 players did not get provincial colours in the past 2 years, but could just as well play above their counterparts.
I could go on with Ignis Meyer on prop and Liam van den Berg at flank, but arrest my case. It is a representative sample to prove my case.
This is just Helpmekaar. What about the large rugby schools, with their players that did not get an opportunity in the limelight, for whatever reasons?
Your measurement if success in this exercise is what? Known names in team? Perceived performance?
By all means, play the game, but do not make out that these players are the ” ONE’S”. Perspective NNB.
@Quagga: I thought you might be a bit defensive, but thanks for the invite. I will start from a very small pool and compare to players already in the mix.
1. Helpmekaar centre Keevy performed better on attack and defense than Randall, when he played for the first team. He also got his wings away much better. He was not a regular in the Helpies 1st team, for inexplicable reasons. He has a bright future ahead but not known to your “represented community”.
@BrotherBear: This website’s lists
and I don’t know what you mean by ‘your represented group’. I don’t know all the people involved but there are some coaches, agents, journos and bloggers etc. involved that seem to be from a vast geographical representation (but some areas in my view don’t seem to be adequately covered) so I guess quite a wide and varied perspective. You seem to have an opinion on which players should have been drafted thus far, instead of those that were, so why don’t you publish your list of 50% that you speak of (let’s see that’s 14 picks x 10 teams so 140 picks. 50% = 70 picks. Should be a breeze for you). Hooit challenged you to do that early on in the thread already.
@Quagga: whose “players to watch list”? You speaking as if their is only one community out there. There are many different opinions outside of your represented group. So much much more than 5%. More like 50% if you speak future.
@Hooit: Hooit you are House. Red , White. House
@Bush: You okes from KZN always knows better. You must be buddies with Hopper I assume. I can assure u some drafters did not pick they got.
@Bush: Agree, some very talented players getting the nod. Draft starting line-ups will be completed by Friday, with captains and kickers selected, but then those benches should provide quite a few interesting picks as well. Interesting that 95% of the players mentioned in the various ‘players-to-watch’ lists before the Craven Week have already been drafted. I say interesting, because of the 5% not the 95%……
Just seen this, my heart rate is pumping and it’s not due to the 7 cups of coffee I’ve just had. 2 Machine Boys from House been drafted.
Katties you know rugby for selecting the best Tight Head prop in SA Schools. Great scrummager, great ball carrier and can play anywhere in that front row
Beet, a man from Kearsney you have picked a awesome lock that should have easily made the CW side. 2m double barreled surname locking machine, great athlete around the field. Reminds me of a greyhound after a hare. Great work rate. Tough as nails. You think you can knock him down. He will return like a bad nightmare. Could have made SAS had he been given the chance at CW, considering how well KZN did at CW.
I’m not to sure what Hooit and Louis are up to. Maybe they need to take a leaf or two from Katties and Beet. These guys know SBR. ??????
@Quagga: Nee hy met backline gewerk en Shaun met forwards. Was eindlik twee backline coaches by AW span.
@Riempies: Hy is mos ‘n forwards coach dan nie?
Sien die backline coaches nog nie hier opgedateer nie. Van die manne wat ek ken sal n groter aanwins vir die bokke wees as die huidige afrigtings span. Baie geluk aan die twee Helpie manne. Dink hulle verdien dit en is n groot rede vir Helpmekaar se opvaardse kurwe.
Een man wat volgens my bietjie oorgesien is is Jabu Zulu van Parktown. Ook betrokke by Lions AW. Gaan in toekoms ook nog van hom hoor.
@Rainier: Rakende die spanne oor 5 jaar. Ek is net bereid op die stadium om geld te sit op een speler ,wat ek glo groot rugby gaan speel, en dit is Francke Horne (indien sy gesondheid dit natuurlik toelaat). Ek weet hy het die talent, die nodige self dissipline en werks etiek.Die ander jong man wat dit ook moontlik kan maak as n flank, is Kwagga van Niekerk. Hy het beslis die nodige talent, weet egter nie veel van die res nie, maar hoop dat hy ook die ander eienskappe het.
Vir die res ! Kom ons hoop vir die beste! Daar is so baie jong manne wat met groot drome n rugby toekoms beplan, en dan maar weens verskeie faktore (party ook hul eie skuld) teleurgestel word
@Quagga: Ek verstaan die uitdaging, ek bly hier en kom by weinig hoërskool wedstryde uit.
Dit gaan interessant wees om 5 jaar van nou af die spanne te evalueer.
@Rainier: Goeie punt. Ruggas woon daai kant en het die hele lot sien speel. Ek weet hy was ook op daai Hudson Park toernooi gewees. Shawn kies ook redelik die St. Andrews spelers wat indruk gemaak het. Dalk moet hulle volgende jaar spesifiek iemand in daai geweste kry om deel te neem. Maar moeilik vir almal om almal te siene te kry.
@Rainier: Jy is weer eens reg oor die honderde skole.
Maar ! Ons kan ontmoontlik mos ook nie al die seuns in aksie sien nie, en weet dus ongelukkig nie van al die ongeslypte diamante nie. Maak dus maar staat op wat mens wel kan sien, en natuurlik ook ander mense, wie se oordeel jy vertrou.Onthou ! Dit is maar net
n speletjie vir die pret, en dra mos nie soveel gewig in die werklike lewe nie. Mens wil tog glo dat verreweg die meeste talentvolle manne tog erens geholpe is by die verskillende unies. Ten slotte wil ek glo dat ons almal se spanne sou heelwat anders gelyk het, indien ons wel al ons 1ste keuses kon kies. Die draft is ge-baseer op die Amerikaanse manier om talent te versprei, en dit bly n interesante proefneming.
@Kattes-Strofes: Dis glad nie moeilik nie. Daar is honderde skole reg oor SA waaruit julle kan kies….
En as jy nog Horn as ‘n 7 gekies het kan ek dit nog in ‘n mate verstaan, maar as ‘n 6? Behalwe as jy NZ nommers gebruik.
Ook interessant is die tekort aan OosKaap spelers, met die uitsondering van Selborne. Soos genoem kan ek nie glo niemand het die 3 van Brandwag gekies nie.
@Hooit: Ja! Julle Wêtters !
Sien nou net ek het vir Elmo ook verloor. Nietemin! Baie in my skik oor Gavin Beresford. Die man ken sy agterlyn spel, en het immers Tygerberg se Tiere n paar keer gelei tot nasionale Sewes kampioene.
@Rainier: Ek hoor jou ! Maar soos die ander manne reeds gesê het ! Dit is dêm moeilik om n span saam te stel, met al die beperkings. Francke het darem ook in Graad 11 vir Boishaai, die WP Akademie span, en die SA Skole “A” span flank gespeel.
@Kattes-Strofes: Charl en meester skuif hoort nie in dieselfde sin nie. Dit is ongeloofwaardig en swak sin konstruksie.
Sal Oom na die draft die Franke storie vertel en Oom sal trane in Oom se oë kry.
Ek het gelukkig na die 2de rondte die skelm ding besef. Ek hoor egter Franke verkies om vir Sean Erasmus te speel!??
@Kattes-Strofes: Ek verstaan die argument, maar om spelers uit posisie uit te kies maak nie sin nie.
@Hooit: Hooit ! Rakende Francke Horne op no.6. Na Charl se meester skuif om Mark Snyman as n no.7 te kies, en my gesukkel om van my Boishaai spelers en coaches in my span te kry, het ek besluit “Tot hiertoe en niks verder nie”!
Trouens ! Ek sou selfs vir Francke op scrummie gekies het. “He is just that damn good a rugby player”!Hy is ook natuurlik my kaptein.Het jou, Katvis !
Die spreekwoord sê mos -“Indien jy nie sterk is nie, moet jy slim wees. Indien jy nie slim is nie, moet jy uitgeslape wees. Indien jy dan ook nie geslepe is nie, (Die ou mense het n mooier woord-(“slinks”), moet jy pleinweg sommer dêm skelm wees ! Ha-Ha !!
Nietemin ! Ek is “happy” met my span tot dusver, en nadat die span se kop dokter en eienaar (natuurlik ek) n valse belofte van ekstra finansies aan hulle gemaak het, sal ek met hulle oorlog toe gaan. Ek kan altyd later met n flou verskoning verduidelik hoekom daar nie meer geld beskikbaar is nie .
Starting 15 gets finalised this week. Gonna be a big week to get combinations right. Also the all important #9 pick.
@Riempies: Ja, ok, wou nou nie jou murg en been aanstoot gee nie. Dog net jy beweeg aan
@Kattes-Strofes: Ek wil net vir Heinrich en Elsabe Bleuler noem dat vir die regte prys kan hy gaan waar hy moet/wil gaan. Die vraag is hoe groot huis vriend is Oom Kattes?
@Kattes-Strofes:
@Kattes-Strofes: Wat so katvis!!
@Kattes-Strofes: Regtig. Dit vat die draft na n nuwe vlak. Goed om te weet wat jou plan is. Gaan hierdie nog n Franke wees vir jou?
@Rainier: Rakende die Oakdale loskop. Sy ouers, Heinrich en Elsabe Bleuler,is al jare huis vrinne van my. So ! Ek vra net my mede keurders om dit in ag te neem . Die ouers moet mos darem ook n sê hê, waarnatoe hul kinders gaan.So please! Have a heart ! HA-HA !!
@BrotherBear: Ek n Helpie in murg en been. Jy sal my volgende jaar nog baie by die games sien. Glo my.
@Ploegskaar:Ek is opgewonde om te sien hoe sy loopbaan gaan ontwikkel. Hy is vrot van natuurlike talent, wat op die ouderdom beide voordele en nadele het. As jy verder terugvoer nodig het oor die jong man kan jy my gerus kontak.
@Riempies: praat nie noodwendig van jou mooi praatjies, alhoewel hulle ook mooi is ;-). Ons het al gesels sonder dat jy weet wie ek is, maar ek weet jy beweeg aan en sal nie volgende jaar saam met my die fort hou.
@Rainier: Agree but if you are a second to slow you are going to feel them. Just thougt Rossouw played well this year. Got to many rucks quickly as a hooker. Has the right build for a #6. Think it will be a different story if he could scrum at #6 and not #2.
@BoishaaiPa: Agree 100% Muller Du P brilliant at #13
@BrotherBear: Nee wat ou maat. Wa lees jy die “mooi praatjies om guns te wen”? Wil dit ook graag lees.
Hou meer van jou tweede post. Unsung boys happy. Hopelik sien die meeste dit so as negatief. Dan as spelers van 16 tot 23 gekies word dink ek gaan dit nog meer verrassings oplewer.
@Hooit: I like your 15 pick a lot. Not sure about your 6 pick, you seem to lack a bit of pace amongst your “loosies”…
@Rainier: Ek wou dit nie self opbring, maar ja, glo hy gaan dit by Landbou geniet en Landbou glo beslis hy gaan ‘n aanwins wees. Boonop gaan hy met 13 provinsiale spelers van elders om hom speel en wat my veral opgewonde maak is dat hy deel van ‘n vaste vyf gaan wees wat ek glo potensieël mooi kan ontwikkel
So, the objective is similar to a fun filled poker game. A few players seem to have cards up their sleeves and others are just plain unscrupulous. I am sure some players are making a few unsung boys very happy – for that well done.
@Hooit: Jou #6 keuse het in 2016 agsteman gespeel.
@Riempies: Daar is ongelukkig baie dinge wat ek nie doen nie in die naam van gewete en dit wat ek glo reg is. Ek sal my kinders ondersteun, maar voortrek – NOOIT (skuze ze pun). Sien ook vreeslik baie mooi praatjies on guns te wen – each to their own. Live in peace.
@Rainier: Like u mentioned Muller could be a great #13. So what is his best position. Muller on wing is still a good pick. We are trying to draft best possible team. Also keep in mind we are drafting for 2018. I cant answer for other selectors but what do you think of my #6 pick?
@Ploegskaar: Ek het nou bevestiging gekry dat ons vaskop volgende jaar by julle inval. Ek dink dit gaan hom die wereld se goed doen om daar te wees. Sal maar kom loer as Garsies teen julle speel.
@Ploegskaar:Net soos ek die Monnas gesig op die blog is, is jy die BL man op die blog. Die sakie is maar tong in die kies genoem. Ons beweeg aan.
@Hooit: That, to me, defeats the whole purpose of the exercise. Surely the aim is to pick the best players in their specific positions?
@Hooit: Ek is ‘n ondersteuner, ten beste losweg geaffilieer. Jy bring ‘n saak op wat niemand hier genoem het nie, stel nie belang om dit hier of elders te bespreek nie, dis afgehandel. Stel ook nie belang in spankies nie, los dit vir die kenners
@BrotherBear: Also remember. I submit 3-7 choices per position. Each with a monatary value I attach to them. If another ‘selector’ offers more then he gets the player. I submitted 6 choices in a certain position and all 6 were taken by other selectors for more money. You can only afford to max bid on 1 or 2 players. Thereafter you do not have funds to do it anymore and are at the mercy of other on who you will get eventually. Nobody in the game have only their 1st choice players in their teams.
@Rainier: The reason is that #11 was picked before #15. If it was the other way around they would both have been #15 picks. One of the dynamics of the game. Get the player before he is taken.
@Ploegskaar: Jy is Boland Landbou ‘spokesperson’ op die blog. Gaan maar moet Pa staan vir hulle stories. Weet jy is nie deel nie. Kies n span dan praat ons saam.
@BrotherBear: No formula. You have R2 500 000 to pick 23 players. Highest bidder gets player. Blindside drafts are usually cheaper. So player bid amount part of the game and not true reflection of player’s quality that is why it is not published. So look at who has been picked and not using them give us youre list so far. No budget involved for you.
@BrotherBear: We try and select best teams. I believe he is one of the best #7 for next year so I selected him. Had to pay to get as he was also picked by others. So if I did not pick him and he was picked by Carl or Quagga or ….. it would have been classified by you as nepotism. Just no winning that one.
@BoishaaiPa: I would like to see that. Like EW.
@BrotherBear: Sou jy nie ma dieselfde gedoen het nie? Wees nou eerlik met jouself.
Now, that was not too difficult was it? Would like to know price tag formula? Quite interesting to note the comments on selecting own child. Even when this is done for fun, it kind of shows principles people adhere to.
@Rainier: Nobody played Muller Dup in his most devastating position..No 13. That is where he played as junior and made his presence known. Don’t know why he was never given a chance at u/19 level in that spot.
@Hooit: Waarvan praat jy? Gladnie deel van die storie. Waarom moet ek ‘n span opsit?!?
@Hooit: Well, some fundis picked Mark Snyman at 7, Cary at 14 and Muller at 14 so what do I know – I am the village idiot.
@Ploegskaar: Ins kies nie 7’s spanne met ongeldige spelers nie. Glo ook jy kan een wees. Selfde uitdaging as aan BB. Sit jou span op. Alreeds gekose spelers uitgesluit as jy nie alreeds saam speel nie
@Rainier: Can u keep quiet now. Only discuss past picks and not future picks. You are driving the prices up.
@Rainier: You can expect a BIG fight for that one no doubt in my mind.
@BoishaaiPa: Not de fok. Ek bou regte spanne
@Quagga: I am just joking, your essay way well written and very convincing.
But if no-one chooses the SWD loosehead I will object officially….
@Hooit: He was in the the 2016 CW team, so I am sure he is /18. Not sure in which grade, but tightheads are the most intelligent people on the field so I am confident he is in Gr 12.
@Hooit: If he is one, I think I now which one of the two mystery selectors he could be based on the choices of the team!
@BoishaaiPa: There are 2 mystery selectors so do not know
@Hooit: Gr 12 and 18.
Is Ploegskaar one of the 10 selectors?..
@Rainier: His name came up. Perhaps grade 11. With entire benches still to be selected as well as the loose head position you can expect 10 more quality tighthead props and 20 loose head props to be added. People involved don’t always know which grade a player is in and many many quality grade 11 players (which is very exciting with a view to next year
) have been removed after initial selection. Happened three times yesterday (twice to one participant) with the selection of outside centres. BTW the coaches’ explanation was sent to ruggas via e-mail after three objections were raised against the pick. He decided to publish it. You may be surprised to know that there are quite a lot of objections for valid reasons and a bit of a formal process objections are subjected to, so that they can be resolved.
@Grizzly: Nee jul mis die punt. Ons beweeg net nou na die VIP en gratis drank area saam met Absolutmenlo
@Beet: I already went to read op on him. Le-Kleu Stokes Brandwag. Rainier his age and grade?
@Rainier: The thing about the draft is you quickly realise how little you actually know about players. Only grade 12, irrelevant of age, can be picked. Many grade 11’s have been picked and then had to change. Another problem is 18 year olds in grade 11. It makes it difficult. Another problem is most of us knows 3-6 players. Now you have the 10th pick. I enjoy it. Researching players and consulting with others in ‘the know’ takes up hours. I once had 5 choices for a position. I asked 5 friends who they think. Each one picked a different player. You also realise in which positions there are shortages in SA which was a surprise to me.
@Rainier: See there along is one good reason to not have this draft discussion on this platform. We still have to pick our no.18’s for the bench and suddenly an under the radar player becomes known to all the contestants.
@beet: I doubt Ruggas will have an issue with us discussing the draft here. This blog is even referenced in the long-winded justification Quagga wrote to justify his coach pick.
How no-one drafted the EP 3 is beyond me.
To all that have commented on the draft: I have to say I love it and cannot wait to see who have been drafted each day. It is fun and I have seen some names that I have never seen before. I do play along on the sideline and it is far more difficult than I anticipated even though I don’t even have to play against 9 other members. The money budget make it even more difficult. This has been used by some sneaky players choosing players out of position. Very clever, although not necessary in the interest of the team.
My observation so far is that some players go for a overall best team wile other try to pick the best players in a specific position.
Then on the father comment if I believe my kid is the best in the position and I get first choice to pick him then I would! Simple because I believe in him!
For the 10 gents if you read the blog go for it I for one love it. Think most of you do better than SAS selectors.
@CharlesZA: I will. It just takes time. Give me untill 2020
@Hooit: You not going to let me off the hook for that one are you?
@CharlesZA: We know he does not support the fathers playing and people picking players out of position. Which category do you fall in?
@BrotherBear: Nothing prevents us from discussing it here.
Should see abuse im getting over a few of my picks. To Hooits point, it is much harder than you think and when the reserwes come round it will be even harder.
Which team do you fancy at the moment?
@beet: I do not see it as stealing thunder from him at all. There is very limited discussion outside of the selectors.
In the matter of how much fun the selectors are having: that is totally hidden from the community. It is like playing poker and then publishing the hands afterwards. Perceptions and opinions later become facts without substance – very dangerous for those in and outside the smoke and mirrors game.
@BrotherBear: Why not publish your ‘drafts’ here for the numbers already selected but excluding the current players selected and we can see how u are doing? You will quickly realise that it is not that easy.
@BrotherBear: You think father selecting his own son was n bad move? I think it was a good move. Cost alot of money to secure him otherwise someone else would have got him.
Father doing favours to get his son selected? The father I think you referring to did no such thing. You do not know what is happening behind the scenes. About 5 other also wanted his son but budget constraints make selecting top players difficult. It will become more of an issue now that money is getting tight. Believe me it is more difficult than most people out there think. But a great initiative to find a few hidden gems. I know know 3 times more schoolboys than before. Out of 90 players selected so far only 5 are questionable in the positions that they have been selected in so overall very good.
@BrotherBear: It’s Ruggas’ initiative so perhaps a little unfair to steal any thunder by covering it here especially if one considers how much time and effort has gone into it – many hours. I must say it’s a fun and entertaining game to play. Just like any proper competition competitors are all playing hard and doing all we can to get ahead by getting the best players,and at the best prices because of fairly strict budget restrictions. So three things I have found is never take anything for granted, have a few contingency plans in place because things seldom work out the way you expect and celebrate IF/WHEN you do get the player you wanted. I’ve lost out on several players I wanted. So yes a few players have been picked out of position – this is only the second time Ruggas has hosted the draft, everyday new things are being learnt and I’m sure improvements to the rules will cut out loopholes in future editions. Personally I’m really enjoying the challenge, the vibe and overall spirit in which it’s being played has been great so far as well. My only hope is that no one following takes it too seriously.
Hey Beet, how about opening up some comments on the RUGGAS website drafts? I know you part of the effort and try to play fair. I do unfortunately detect some serious shenanigans *** at play. *** Players being selected totally out of position? wTF? Seems like the harder the one strokes, the harder he will be stroked?