Craven Week 2016, Academy Week 2016, Grant Khomo Week 2016 teams

An update on teams announced.
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Craven Week 2016 Academy Week 2016 Grant Khomo Week 2016 teams

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  1. @Greenman, @Riempies: According to newspaper the BB CW playing Sharks and Lions CW playing Griffons. Lions AW playing Sharks AW (but nothing on paper yet).
    @Riempies: did you survive the cold on your Harley tour? Hear you guys had some “maninge” fun. ;-)

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  2. @Greenman: so you and @Grasshopper: and your Sharkie mates gooing a braai for the SBR peeps during the CW / AW down there? :wink:

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  3. @Riempies: Looking forward to the games at Loftus this Saturday. What do they call it, Unions Day? Last year we were treated to some good quality rugby in Sasolburg at the same event, hosted by Valke. Heading down to Vryheid first later on this week for the under-12 week. See the WC and SC teams not in attendance there, wonder if they do their own thing at u12 level?

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  4. @Quagga: yes..The WC, SWD and EC have their own u/12 week. Been going for a while now. It use to be in Mosselbay but I think it moved to Riversdale now. Players like Notshe and Jan Serfontein I saw in Mosselbay many years ago.

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  5. @BrotherBear: Survived the HD tour with lots of fluid and headache tablets :mrgreen: Nice cold mornings but scenic routes in lovely Tzaneen.
    Looking forward to this weekend rugby. I know the boys have trained extremely hard in the training camps the past weekend. They all seem very positive and I believe the Lions is going o be the surprise package of the two CW and AW. Bear congratulation on you son too. I do believe I now know who you are :lol: @quagga good luck with the under 12’s. Know your son will make you proud. Hopefully see you all Wednesday evening at Ellispark.

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  6. @Riempies: Why do you think the Lions will be surprise package?..The rest of us can see they will be one of the favorites as the team consists mainly of Monnas, Helpies and Jeppe players and all three schools are doing very well this season. I will only be surprised if they do not make the final or loose one of their midweek games.

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  7. @BoishaaiPa: Wel ek lees nogal al die komentaar op al die verskillende areas. WP- Craven 2016 Champions elect! Dan ook kommentaar daaruit KZN en Bloubull areas. Nog nie een van hulle gesien(mag dalk verkeerd wees) wat n groot bohaai oor die Lions opskop nie. Hoor ook nie van sogenaamde sterre in die spanne nie! So ja! Dan neem ek maar aan dat hulle nie as gunstellinge van enige aard gesien word nie! Net omdat groot gros van hulle uit Monnas, Helpmekaar en Jeppe kom maak hulle nou skielik gunstelling nie?! Of Hoe?

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  8. @Riempies: yes, thanks for the comment on my son. His academics have always been a priority. But then, the Helpmekaar success rate has always been exceptional.

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  9. @Riempies: Daai opskrif is meer n vraag van Beet as iets anders..dis darem nie deur n WP fan of Ploegie geskryf nie!..Net omdat mens nie or n span praat nie, beteken nie mens weet nie van hulle nie!..Die Lions is defnitief op WP se radar…glo my vry!

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  10. @BoishaaiPa: Baie dankie vir die inligting aangaande die o12 week in die Kaapland.

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  11. @BoishaaiPa: WP have to be the firm favorite by a country mile based on their mix and history. I think teams will be fighting NOT to meet them in the ‘final’ and rather send in EP again for that one :wink: Seriously, the Blue Bulls were the pick of the bunch up here so far but we will see on Saturday what the GL vs. Sharks tell us. Free State is also a dark horse at this stage. Going to be exciting down there at one of the most beautiful schools in the country.

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  12. Did a quick analysis to determine the representation of top 20 schools in provincial teams, according to latest BHP 1st team rankings (I list them with ranking in descending order coupled to province):
    WP – 1, 2, 9, 15, 16
    FS – 3
    BB – 4, 20
    KZN – 5, 17
    LION – 6, 13, 14
    SWD – 7, 19
    Valke – 8
    EC – 10, 11, 12 ?
    NC – 18
    Not considering no of players from each school in teams, it seems as if WP clear favourites in u18 Teams. Lions and EC have next best “spread”. Although it is only a perspective, it does indicate the quality of depth available.

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  13. Thanks @BoishaaiPa, was not sure. So the 2 Grey’s can claim a province each. The usual contenders in the mix, then. Was surprised by SWD result against WP! But a bit more coaching and game time will set them up with the rest.
    @Hooit: hehehehe. Hear he is a pleasant chap though. Believe his dad also on the blog.

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  14. @BrotherBear: A very nice boy. Chatted to him briefly at Monnas. My comment was for hopper. Like I said previously my son has been playing against him for years. He is very well respected and a big rugby star in the making. Not sure if he likes the hype about him. Seems like a quiet down to earth type of person. Does anybody know if he will be playing for the Sharks on Saterday?

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  15. @BrotherBear: I wont read too much into these early fixtures results. That tournament was used as final trails (for WP at least). Last year SWD beat WP by a point or two in Riversdale at the same tourno and also beat EP while EP ran WP close as well. We all know what happend at Cravenweek a few weeks later…EP beat SWD 41-31 and WP in turn ran away with EP. The reverse could happen this year..all depends of situation on the day,

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  16. @Hooit: I think if you are as big as he is at 17, it’s hard not to get recognised and touted for big things. He must remain grounded (which I am sure he will). I do remember him having Paul Willemse as his icon/hero, surely moving in his footsteps….hopefully not to France though…

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  17. Does everything really have to take 5 min to load. I understand the option to edit but if not needed?

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  18. WP to run away with CW again this year. The total package within the WP area is just on a different level compared to other unions.

    Valke will determine their week with the 1st game against FS which i think will be a close affair.

    Valke has some game breakers in their team and the 9/10 pairing will be the determining factor on the way the team performs. They are both brilliant players and should be watched out for for the future.

    Solid pack of forwards just concerned on what will be going on in the rest of the back line.

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  19. @MikeSt: I see EG has 18 players in the top 2 Valke teams, 11 of which in the CW team. A close affair against FS, you say – hmm.

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  20. KZN CW plays at 01H30 but that all I have got. Does anyone know the time of the other games?

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  21. @MikeSt: you are correct – assuming good player skills and fitness, the combinations will be crucial. Have seen no 10 play a few times and am impressed with his alround ability. Needs to be tested against fast loosie defense though. Great stepping in one on one and will almost always beat his man. Will also see how it goes against well co-ordinated defense.

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  22. @Andre T: Don’t you come here out of the bush and throw your weight around. Read all previous postings. Get with the program. :roll:

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  23. Die Bondedag se bepalings is:
    09:00: Luiperds t. Limpopo Blou Bulle;
    10:10: Griffons t. Goue Leeus;
    11:20: Valke t. Pumas;
    12:30: Vrystaat t. Blou Bulle Akademie;
    13:40: Blou Bulle t. KwaZulu-Natal.

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  24. Wedstrydprogram (Saterdag):

    Stadion (A-veld)
    09:00 Luiperds CW vs Limpopo CW
    10:10 Griffons CW vs Leeus CW
    11:20 Valke O/18 Cravenweek vs Pumas CW
    12:30 Vrystaat CW vs Blou Bulle AK
    13:40 Bulle CW vs KZN CW

    B-veld
    08:30 o/13 BB Laerskole Cluster
    09:40 o/13 BB Laerskole Cluster
    09:50 Enrista Polisie vs Naka Bulle
    11:00 Enrista Centurion vs Tukkies
    12:10 Enrista Dragons vs Innercity
    13:20 Leeus NWU/PUK vs Valke O/18-Akademie (Stedelik/Rooi)

    • C-veld
    09:00 Enrista Harlequins vs TUT
    10:10 Eye of the Tiger vs Valke AK O/18 (Platteland/Blou)
    11:20 Leeus AK vs KZN AK
    12:30 Limpopo GK vs Valke O/16 (Stedelik/Rooi)

    D-veld
    09:00 KZN GK vs Griffons GK
    10:10 Blou Bulle GK vs Valke O/16-Grant Khomo
    11:20 Leeus GK vs Pumas GK
    12:30 Vrystaat GK vs Luiperds GK

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  25. @MikeSt: Kyk, as jy Saterdag op Loftus is kan jy darem paar lekker games sien. Sal moeilik wees om te kies tussen sommige wedstryde wat selfde tyd is. Sien al daar gaan so paar manne soos afkop hoenders tussen die velde rondhol!

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  26. Congratulations to the following Helpmekaar u/18 players, capped as Lions last night:
    Craven
    6 – Mark Snyman
    7 – Tiaan Stoltz
    14 – David Cary
    15 – Chuiner van Rooyen
    Academy
    2 – Daemon Venter
    8 – Liam van den Berg
    9 – Ruhan Viviers
    12 – Zandre Kruger
    13 – Keegan Haman
    Well deserved boys. Proud to be a member of the Helpmekaar family, entering a new era.
    I am certain each of you will excel – just remember to enjoy the journey.

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  27. What will the estimate costs be to get 1 high school A team and provincial player through 1 year of rugby? R25 000 to R 30 000?. Petrol, gear, match day family food costs, tours, fees, medical expenses?

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  28. @AbsolutMenlo: thank you for the congrats.
    No U/16 GK players, but there are 7 players in the U/16 Academy teams. We are equally proud of them as well as the 2 players in the U/19 PUK team (Luwan Ludick and Tristan Oosthuizen).
    The “other forces” still have quite a strong influence – hehehe. As you will know our U/16 group have not performed that well, which will influence individual players.

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  29. @Hooit: the Noordvaal Large Schools tend to travel a bit more and further, so add another R5k. Range is probably R25k to R35k. I know some boys have high performance training (private and SARU), which can easily add R20k.

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  30. Next question is will the current players still be the best if all rugby parents can ‘invest’ R30 000 in their child or will the current players still be as good if their parents could not ‘invest’ more than R5 000 in their child?

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  31. @Hooit: Like in any sport a child needs exposure and competition against the best to be able to develop to their full potential. In tennis and golf which is a more individual sport, you can forget that a kid from nowhere or with little exposure will make it in the pro ranks. You need to invest in their future by giving them top coaching, opportunities to compete etc.

    In rugby maybe not so much, but there you need the opportunity to be spotted to get selected for a team. I dont think the amount of what you spend is directly correlated to the success a child might have in rugby. It is much more about getting the opportunities and being in the right team at the right time..and of course that you have the abilities and skills. Parents can spend as much as they like in any given sport , but if little Johnny doesnt have the basic skill set, abilities or drive, they wont succeed, no matter what you spend.

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  32. @Hooit: to me the game changers are the attitude of the player, emotional support from those around him and exposure that a school ( or club) can provide, given that the talent is there. You don’t need R30k to be successful. A lot of that money goes to things that don’t directly impact success, but are nice to have’s. Medical could be a game changer – especially if serious injuries are encountered and need to be addressed for future success. A lot of that money also goes to support group logistics (travel, accommodation, etc.) nice to do, but not crucial.
    Good question is also: “what is the minimum spend required to be successful?”, but we will have to make a few assumptions.

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  33. I never understood why, when we have an SA under 20 side, we have a local under 19 Currie Cup. Clubs start from u/20, and so do varsities. My view has been to scrap u/19 CC altogether – which I’ll admit was extreme considering how much of a mess our club rugby is. As a compromise, make the u/19 CC an u/20 competition instead. Post the CC, select a SA u20 side. That side to tour with the Boks in November – get a test or two against the 6N sides, and 2 more weekday games against clubs.

    As good an idea as having a Tri Nations for u20s – an idea I support – is that we have varsity cup which runs from Feb to May. My way around is to make the Young Guns VC strictly u19 so as to free up some 20 year olds. You will of course have a handful of 19 year olds in contention for Baby Bok honours. This is where VC would need to serve it’s greater purpose as a feeder, and not just a competition.

    Just my 2 cents worth

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  34. @BoishaaiPa: Cant agree with you more.

    So many parents chase and horse trade their sons to be in a big name environment when going to High School. My philosophy has always been if you good enough you will be able to come through the system doesn’t matter in what school you are.

    As long as the school has systems in place from a coaching, development and opportunity point of view.

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  35. @Hooit: Money and development should never go hand in hand. Its the effort that we as parents put into the development of their child’s skills, mental attitude, discipline and attitude that will or rather should be determining factor.

    Schools are merely a continuation / extension of the effort of a parent into his child’s development.

    Further the figures mentioned is actually scary when seeing from a school such as where I used to be involved extensively as a parent.

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  36. The best rugby played on Saturday came from the BB GK side, their attacking play from deep was a thing of beauty and the fact that the same coach also coaches the Garsfontein 1st XV backline makes me believe the man has some serious coaching chops.

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  37. @Hooit: Dalk sal dit lekker wees om eendag om ‘n braaivleis vuur te praat oor die werklike koste van ontwikkeling. Verlede jaar die som gemaak (maar nooit my vrou vertel nie :wink: )

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  38. @Quagga: Ek het op n ander post gesê na die Leeus vs Luiperds dat die Leeus akademie haker die flanke geklop het na die afbreek punte toe. Ek sien hy het Saterdag n kans op flank ook gekry. Daar is nog altyd gese n goeie haker is die 4de losvoorspeler. Net jammer vir hul rooikaart wat n geel moes wees. Leeus 13 en 15 ook n goeie game gehad. Sal kyk vir daai vleisie by Kearsney

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  39. @Hooit: Was nou nie juis die Leeus AK se beste match nie. Ja die rooi kaart het hulle geen guns gedoen nie en het veroorsaak dat daar in 2de Helfte baie gate was. Ek dink as hulle die bal meer laat loop het sou dit n ander telling gewees het. Hulle kan nie net bal tot by senters laat gaan nie. Op meer as een geleentheid moes die bal net buite of binnetoe aangegee geword het en dit was punte. Afrigter kan ook nie die heletyd tydens die wedstryd vir spelers skree wat om te doen nie. Rig voor wedstryd af. Dit maak hulle net deurmekaar en veroorsaak dat die spelers nie hul eie sterkpunte kan speel nie. As afrigter maak jy hulle net deurmekaar. 8-O . Dan wat CW span betref hulle hulle n goeie wedstryd gehad. Die enigste kommer was dat hulle soms gesukkel het op verdediging. Griffons toegelaat om terug in game te kom. Buiten dit was hulle goed. Wel gedaan aan al die seuns wat in die twee spanne gespeel het. Hoop om groot verbeteringe te sien op CW. :mrgreen:

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  40. @Riempies: Stem saam. Ek dink die AW span se wedstryd was meer fisies as die CW span se game. Die 14 man het begin wys op die einde. Net te veel gate en mus tackles. Coach het bietjie erg geklink vir ons as toeskouers.

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  41. I understand the defense for both CW and AW Lions teams were at times shocking. PUK team performed much better. Well deserved win.
    @Hooit: my understanding of general rugby is that you only keep running with ball in hand if you in better position than team mate OR if you cannot put them in better position. Both no 13 and 15 in AW team did NOT do that. Especially 9, 10, centres and fullback need to create space. Wandisile did it well for CW team but no 10 CW very poor. Many times the forwards had good supporting lines, but backline player wants to go all on their own. TRUST is lacking from some players in both teams. Thought the no 2 in AW played very well, as well as the 8th man (who stood in as lock). They were a shining light in line-outs as well. Both CW and AW scrums were very good. Both teams extremely dangerous with ball in hand, BUT then it needs to move to open payers. Defense defense defense.

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  42. The Lions CW team is vulnerable against pace out wide. Time and again the Griffons 9 and 12 attacked the outside channels and found space there. One or two passes inside and there is no cover defense.

    Lions 13 and 15 very good ball in hand.

    I am sorry Hopper but the very large Kzn lock should contribute much more in the tight loose. With his size he could deliver the same as Skelton does for the Aussies, but it was not on display.

    The BB CW side was very dominant in the first half, running up a 31-10 lead but they removed their 3 at half time and the replacement got badly beaten.

    I might be parochial but the best player on display was the rangy 19 in the BB CW side, whether at lock during the first half or at flank during the second half he played brilliant rugby.

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  43. @Greenman: and every day cannot be a brilliant day for every player – granted.
    True tests coming up in youth weeks – PUK started today.
    Some players take longer to adjust in new structures and then fire exceptionally well (thinking players should not over-think).

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  44. @BrotherBear: Aw 13 and 15 should offload/pass more agree. Must say 13 is a very good runner with the ball but had another player next to him in a better position often. 15 is a very strong runner with the ball. 2 of his chip kicks did not work but could have. However a big problem is that once the ball is passed to a wing or fullback the other backline players return in order to be in position for the next attack and does not run a support line on the inside. I thought the AW scrums and lineouts were below par. They scored from our missed throws and the scrums mostly went up. In the second half the Sharks forwards dominated the Lions forwards in all areas. Best forward for me was the hooker.

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  45. Team selected from Bondedag (www.ruggas)
    Names in brackets were also discussed
    1.Nathan Mcbeth – Lions ( Cabous Eloff BB, Morgan Naude Pumas )
    2.Pieter Botha – Lions ( Schalk Erasmus BB, D Richardson KZN )
    3.Andre vd Merwe – Valke ( Morney Smit BB, Gideon Beukes Cths, Dewald Maritz Pumas )
    4.Ryno Pieterse BB – ( JJ vd Mescht – KZN )
    5.Henk Pretorius BB – ( J Meyer – KZN )
    6.Regardt du Plessis – BB ( JC Pretorius Pumas, Gerald Zimasa Leopards )
    7.Tiaan Scholtz – Lions ( Philip Krause BB )
    8.Dian Schoonees – Cheetahs ( Gift Dlamini Griffons )
    9.Richman Gora – Griff ( Jaco Joubert Pumas )
    10.Wernich Kaggelhoffer Limpopo (Ruan de Swardt – BB, Stefan vd Bank – Pumas, )
    11.Maxwell van Louw – Lions
    12.Rikus Pretorius – Cheetahs (Louritz vd Schyff BB )
    13.Wandisile Simelane – Lions ( Janco van Heiningen Cheetahs)
    14.Andrew Kota – Griffons
    15.Martin Steyn – Valke ( Abner van Heerden BB, David Kriel Cheetahs)

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  46. @hooit: w.r.t. Scrums going up, I believe you referring to CW side. Old problem with the no 1 prop (see his name appears on the “selected” list). He will have to work on staying straight – even when he dominates.
    AW side had one heel against the head to their benefit – cudos to good scrumming. In line-outs no 4 jumper was not as effective and most of the throws then went to 2 (100 % on 8 throws). KZN forwards impact was whilst running hard at Lions backline. With one man down for most of the match, the dam wall then broke a few times. In general the team is very good but did not perform on day, with a few players better than those in CW. Coaching has already shown improvements. CW side has the potential to be unbeaten in Durban. Very good balance and some game breakers front and back. Defense for both teams NNB.

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  47. @akw: He is in grade 11 and just turned 17, he is still learning his trade. 2017 will be the year he comes to the fore. This year is a big learning curve for him.

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  48. @Hooit: @Broterbear: Lions AW one lineout ball marginally not straight in first half. Rest found the mark. Lions dominating scrums in 1st half popping Sharks #2 more than a few times. The loss of a player early in the match cost them big time later but my biggest concern was the absence of the St.Bennys players on the day. Their services were needed but they were playing against St.Johns. How does that compare to this event in terms of importance? GL need to sort out defence in the midfield before their next match and they will be much more competitve. Final thoughts, much could be learnt from the loss and the Sharks were deservant winners on the day.

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  49. @Hooit: @Brotherbear: Lions AW one lineout ball marginally not straight in first half. Rest found the mark. Lions dominating scrums in 1st half popping Sharks #2 more than a few times. The loss of a player early in the match cost them big time later but my biggest concern was the absence of the St.Bennys players on the day. Their services were needed but they were playing against St.Johns. How does that compare to this event in terms of importance? GL need to sort out defence in the midfield before their next match and they will be much more competitve. Final thoughts, much could be learnt from the loss and the Sharks were deservant winners on the day.

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  50. I noticed many positional changes, new additions to CW (obviously pulled up from AW) and AW. What I did not see was a non traveling reserve list where these add ons were communicated. I am not sure how many new additions there were for Sharks. Is it now a case of whose available that stay nearest which so happened to be my son’s brother? :mrgreen:

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  51. Results from the under 13 week in Sasolburg. WP wou eers ontrek omdat net hulle hulle span op 11/11 kwota gekies het die toernooi verlang net 4/18 verdeeling maar sal van volgende jaar ook 11/11 vir all die unies wees.

    Maandag 2016-06-27

    Griffons 10 – 29 Limpopo BB
    Blou Bulle 28 – 32 SWD
    Boland 27 – 7 Leeus
    WP 53 – 5 Luiperds
    Sharks 14 – 6 Pumas
    Valke 13 – 12 Vrystaat.

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  52. Onder 13 week, Sasolburg. Dag twee

    WP 20 – 10 Blou Bulle

    Sal res van die tellings post sodra ek dit kry.

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  53. @h2o: Sharks AW side standout players for me were #6 and #10 (don’t know their names sorry)

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  54. Dinsdag 2016-06-28 o/13 week Sasolburg.

    Griffons 39 – 10 Luiperds
    Vrystaat 29 – 20 Pumas
    Limpopo BB 13 – 7 Leeus
    Valke 7 – 19 Natal
    SWD 7 – 14 Boland
    WP 20 – 10 Blou Bulle

    More se program

    Luiperds vs Vrystaat
    Valke vs Pumas
    Leeus vs Griffons
    Blou Bulle vs Sharks
    SWD vs Limpopo BB
    Boland vs WP.

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  55. @Greenman: None of the Sharks players on Saterday were wearing Sharks clothing. They all had their school tracksuits on and played in their school rugby socks. So for me it seemed like the teams were not finalised yet. Maybe they used the day as part of their trials.

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  56. @Quagga: 6 is Jonathan O Neil( Glenwood) and 10 Francke Botha (Glenwood). He was injured at the time of final trials. 13 is Jc Conradie (Glenwood). Not sure who played 8 on the day

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  57. @Hooit: maybe that is what is left of John Smit left. Must say I am not very fond of the colour jersey.

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  58. @Hooit: @h2o: @Greenman: Last week at the u12 tournament in Vryheid the official from the Sharks made a speech at the opening announcing that ALL teams representing the Sharks would in future play as the Sharks and no longer as KZN yet Saturday at Loftus the AW team was introduced as KZN again.

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  59. @Hooit: @Quagga: It was the same issue last year where the parents or a parent had to supply the blazers for the CW side otherwise they had to go in their tracksuit tops. At the capping ceremony it was also made clear that all provincial school sides would be known as Sharks Schools. The teams have been finalized but due to some injuries they have brought boys in to fill. So far I am only aware of Glover in the AW being injured and withdrawn. The Westville lock was brought in and Duran moved to 8. The u12A team had Sharks on the chest but the u12B team had the old KZN schools emblem in Vryheid. It was also a eye opener seeing a Bulls u12 side who had participated in 2 tournaments and 20+ practices playing against a Sharks team who had 5 practice sessions behind them. The same old story with the Sharks schools at CW battling day 1 and only start firing on game 2 and 3…….

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  60. @h2o: Must say that I do find the KZN teams or Sharks well short of looking like a professional side as far as presentation is concerned. Saturday was no exception. I am not sure who has, if any, the money but the parents also contribute R6000 towards kit.
    The Lions on the other side looks the part and always has.

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  61. @BrotherBear: @Riempies: @Rob: Tristan Oosthuizen of Helpmekaar was named the backline player of the tournament at the PUK U19 week. Bulls beat the Lions in the unofficial final.

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  62. @Greenman: Sharks had to pay a huge amount. Lions about R2500 and you have n home tournament. Must say the Lions have been attending many functions and camps sleeping out which is all included in the amount so it seems good value for money.
    @Quagga: Baie geluk. He was also motm on Monday in their 1st game.

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  63. I see the lions have been poaching players from Paarl Boys High interesting….I bet you R100 bucks if those boys were going to the Bulls in 2017 Gery Smal would be moaning in the newspapers again.

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  64. @Quagga: Yes, excellent news w.r.t. Tristan Oosthuizen. Shows you that a good man will somehow come through. I believe he is also still U/17 and is the regular Helpmekaar fly half. He was also unlucky last year to not make the GK team, but did well at the Academy week and was selected as part of the Noordvaal team that toured Ireland (accompanied by two Helpmekaar team mates: Tommy van Tonder and Liam van den Berg). Helpmekaar must be super proud of him.
    Bees, from Garsfontein, was the best forward at the tournament. He is U/19, and although very physical I love his approach to the game. Hard as nails but you always detect some form of a smile.

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  65. @Quagga: Bees is a happy hooker. Chap with the red hair. Finished the game against Helpies with an extended band-aid after an unfortunate accident.

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  66. @BrotherBear: Yes correct about Oosthuizen of Helpmekaar. He and the Bulls fly Charles Goedhals (also U17) seem to have a spacial rivalry these last few years so whenever they meet it turns out to be a great contest.
    Oosthuizen is indeed the Helpie regular fly and still U17. Take into account that the AW fly is also U17 Luke Rossouw from Monnas so it will be interesting to see how he does at the AW.
    If you consider their respective scrumhalves both those guys are also Lions with Tinus Combrinck of Monnas playing CW already this year and Ruhan Viviers playing Academy Week this year. Both of those are U17 as well. In the match between Helpies and Monnas they went head to head and I thought the Helpies duo were one up over their Monnas counterparts at that stage, but the selectors thought differently during provincial selections this year. 2017 should be an interesting year for these boys competing for that CW #9 and #10 jerseys and should be one of the exciting battles of next season.

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  67. @BotherBear: Great thanks. I missed that game but saw the pics and heard he showed some heart in that game. Looking forward to seeing him in action in the next Helpmekaar vs. Garsfontein game.

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  68. @Muzi: There is a big difference…There is no poaching going on as these players all went AFTER school..not during as with most of the WC purchases by the Bulls!…They received legit offers and contracts from the Lions…There is also a very strong link between the Lions and Paarl Boys as the Lions’s Vice President and one of their financial contributors is a Paarl Boys Old Boy…

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  69. @BoishaaiPa: Ek het nou self gewonder of daar enige band tussen HJS en die Leeus is agv top HJS spelers wat Leeus toe skuif(die laaste twee jaar indien die gerugte wel waar is). Dit beantwoord dan my vraag! Opgewonde om te sien dat die Leeus sterk oppad is om die algemene dominering van die WP en Bulle op o19 vlak bietjie te verander! Ook bly vir die spelers! Die Leeus is defnitief op die regte pad op verskeie vlakke volgens my.

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  70. @odie15: I dont know all the legal technicalities around schoolboy “contracts” but last years group only went after school and three current squad members will only be going next year when they have finished school. So I dont see the “poaching” angle. What went on between different unions within the timeframe while they are still at school is neither here nor there as I believe those contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. Its the prof era and unions with the best offers and options will attract the better players.

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  71. @odie15: The most valuable thing a union can offer a young player is game time in my opinion. Couple of R000 here or there should be less of an attraction than game time. a Player and his agent must look at the unions whole setup and look at the possible “pecking order” and chances of getting through the system to the top team. The no of contracted players also plays a huge role. Thus unions like the Lions and Cheetahs will in future become more viable options for young players as they seek more game time than R’s….Look what happend at the Bulls couple of years ago…they had so many centers some of them never got to play..and still dont play!…

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  72. @BoishaaiPa: Schoolboy “contracts” will be a thing of the past in 2 prominent unions, like you said, not worth the paper it’s written on for the unions. But cuts both ways, no more carrot for the fat agent to get a player signed up early as well. More of an open market at u18 level, if you like

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  73. @BoishaaiPa: yes you are correct. I was saying that as far as I know those players being discussed received offers late. And yes it’s extremely true…..in game time. Most of this u19 group won’t see a Senior contract. So landing game time is biggest commodity for any player.

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  74. Weird. Looking at the Kearsney College match schedule for the Academy Week and WP are not on the fixture list.

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  75. Weird. Looking at the Kearsney College match schedule for the Academy Week and WP are not on the fixture list for the first two days.

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  76. @quagga: What source are you using? Schedule on this website says they playing 5th game of day 1 against SWD. Just after Lions vs Pumas.

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  77. @BrotherBear: a fixture list from a parent on FB. Thanx for clearing it up for me.

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  78. @Quagga: Looking at the Kearsney school site, it seems that WP playing the 6th game, after the opening ceremony (still against SWD).

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  79. @odie15: Bader Pretorius was in PRG tot onder 16, hy is toe met ‘n vet paket Michealhouse toe en sou na skool Sharks toe gaan. Die Sharks teken toe vir Bosch en Bader vat toe eerder ‘n kontak by die Leeus om te kan speel.

    My seun se laerskool het by Marlow teen Florida van JHB gespeel. Baie van hulle seuns was van die Kaap. Ek kom nie glo dat die skole nou al laerskool kinders koop nie.

    Die kwota ding maak dit moeilik vir die unies wat nie ‘n swart rugby kiltuur het nie. Van onder 12 rugby is daar nou kwota en volgende jaar moet albei onder dertien toernooie se spanne 50/50 wees. Die unies daar bo gaan pakslae vat tensy hulle laerskool kinders koop van die kaap en oos kaap. Die kinders betaal op die on end die prys vir ‘n belaglik sisteem wat deur ons regering op die unies gedwing word. Ek se weer, die regering moet help dat meer skole sport beoefen en dat daar goeie afrigting is, dan hoef niemand laerskool kinders 1500km van hulle ouers te pos nie.

    Ek sal ‘n voorspelling waag, binne die volgende vyf jaar gaan HTS Drosdy een van die top tien of dalk top rugby skool in ons land wees. Nou dat die Bulle en Boland, brannas en wyn mix gaan die Bulle minder geld vir Garsfontein ens. gee en meer gekleurde spelers hier naby hulle gesinne in die kaap hou. Ek dink wel ‘n beurs by Drosdy gaan ‘n kind horings gee?

    Ek dink by craven week moet die unies toe gelaat word om te praat baklei en teken soos hulle will. Rugby is nou profesioneel en soos enige werk kan ek kies of ek by Mazda Ford of Toyota will vloere was. Die kinders weet die sport is na skool ‘n werk en hulle moet dit so aanvaar of hulle moet ‘n emmer en mop aanskaf.

    Ek dink egter dat op skool moet kinders toegang he tot goeie rugby skole so na as moontlik aan hulle ouer huise. Kinders moenie 1500km van hulle ouers af bly net omdat die regering kwota spanne soek nie.

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  80. @Stier: Yes the system is flawed. You can’t force kids to enjoy a sport. I don’t care about colour. I want our best to play freely and to excel. Yes it’s easier transition in Cape Town. Although I don’t think it’s transition. Most of the time it’s players making it on merit. But as we’ve seen in a few selections our best player in a position or 2 is relegated to AW for quota sake. But WP could’ve hit quota easily on merit and selected it’s best squad.

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  81. @Stier: Interessante post… net een klein puntjie van orde… die bulle het nog nooit vir garsfontein n sent gegee nie… use it, dont use it… lekker aand

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  82. @Rugbyman: Sorry ek het gedink hulle kry ook. ‘n onnie van een van die skole daar bo het vir my gese hulle en ander kry geld van die Bulle. Hy het Garsfontein genoem maar dit wys jou niemand weet regtig wat aangaan nie. Dit is tog interresant hoe die kaapse kinders daar in julle skole beland.

    WP is very close to being able to select teams under 16 and higher on merit. At the under 13 it is not the case. It was interesting to notice the huge difference between the boys from the “plateland and northern suburbs” compared to the southern subberbs. The first two were more white and the last more mixed. In the first game the plateland region team beat the south 15 tries to 1.

    Another thing to consider is “black and coloured” if I my call it so. If so called “coloured” kids count as qouta players then the WP is fine but if the qouta system only apply to “black” kids as I understand it even WP will be in big trouble.

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  83. WP se onder 13B span het die “finaal” in sasolburg teen die Boland gewen. Die telling was 17 – 7.

    Vandag het die WP onder13A die Pumas 28 – 19 gewen.

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  84. @Stier: Daai onnie het iets gerook… dis lekker braaivleisvuurkakpraat…

    Is nogal interessant hoe hulle daarbo opeindig… dis soos colonel sanders se resep… n moerse geheim!

    Geluk, ek hoor die boland grant khomo span het vanmiddag die wp gepiets in wat my spioene sê ‘n baie goeie game was! WP lyf julle lag-lag in by hulle as dit so gaan…

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  85. @Stier: “Bader Pretorius was in PRG tot onder 16, hy is toe met ‘n vet paket Michaelhouse toe”. Do you know that for a fact, or are you speculating, and in speculating, who paid his “vet paket”, Michaelhouse or the Sharks. Secondly he was at PRG until U15.

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  86. @Stier: Kan bevestig Bulle het nog nooit ‘n sent aan Garsies betaal nie. Daarom dat meeste Garsies na skool na ander provinsies gaan. Mense wat so leuens versprei is natuurlik jaloers omdat die spelers nie na hulle toe gaan nie. En hoe word Kaapse kinders Garsies? Die telefoon en epos is die beginpunt. En dit kom van die ouers af wat beter geleenthede soek vir hul seuns. En nee Garsies se nie vir almal ja nie. Trouens die skool sou vol Kaapse kinders gewees het as vir almal ja gese is.

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  87. @McCulleys Workshop: Can’t see the Sharks ponying up R200k a year for House when they could send the kid to Glenwood for less that 1/2 that, and have him in Durban. So it stands to reason he had a sponsor linked to House, one way or another. What were his matric results like, maybe he had an academic bursary.

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  88. @Gungets Tuft: The comment was styled around Union involvement. Why does it stand to reason that he had a sponsor? Has it dawned on you that his parents certainly didn’t require a sponsor and there where other reasons they moved him?

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  89. At yesterday’s opening ceremony of the u/13 and u/16 weeks a member of the WP Executive made a speech that included the following statement – Parents please send your kids after school to the Union where he went to school!!, Be careful for unscrupolous agents who is in it for the financial gain only!! My response to that is wake up and smell the roses sir you are out of touch with professional rugby and maybe.the loss of loosing 3 top players of Paarl Boys to the Lions are still shocking the WP fraternity
    My question to this gentleman is if you get offered a better opportunity in you professional career are you going to turn it down. Statements like that must surely motivate agents to not do business with WP.

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  90. @Scrum5: And that is why WP wont win anything at senior level..Bunch of amateurs in charge with no idea how to run a professional setup and think they can run a professional business entity like your local club, because that is where all their experience comes from! .. .they depend on the brilliance of their junior players to shine the light for WP!..after u/21 the wheels come off big time!

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  91. @Gungets Tuft: He went for rugby and that was it. Bader has provincial colors for cricket, rugby, hokkey , judo, wrestling and golf. In fact his dad wanted him to go into golf but he loves rugby.

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  92. So die seuns hier in die kaap will almal garsies toe gaan? Hulle weet nie eers waar gauteng is nie never mind garsies….. Nee dit klink te goed om waar te wees. Ek weet garsies het baie verbeter maar kom ons wees eerlik hulle het nog nie eers Affies of waterkloof se reputasie as rugby skool nie. Wat nog van PRG, Boland, Bios, Gim, SACS, Bishops, Rondebosch…..die kinders hier op laeskool sal nie eers weet garsies is ‘n skool nie. Hulle dink nog as hulle deur die Hugenote tonnel ry moet jy paspoort wys.

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  93. @Scrum5: I don’t see many of WP CW players staying. Maybe 6. There’s a serious issue in management…..a union that has consumed itself in time. Amateurs running a professional outfit.

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  94. @Stier: Ons werk nig aan ons reputasie… maar gelukkig weet jy darem al wie ons is… en jy sal verbaas wees hoeveel mense in die Kaap weet wie ons is…

    Ons is darem al berug…

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  95. @BoishaaiPa: Is dit nie maar die probleem by meeste van ons unies nie…? Ek sien daar was ‘n lang berig oor ons kykersgetalle wat so afneem… ons super rugby spanne (behalwe die lions) speel sulke boring rugby dat dit niemand behoort te verras nie… voeg daarby ‘n super rugby kompetisie wat lankal nie meer super is nie en ‘n uiters afgewaterde curriebeker reeks en jy het ‘n fiasko! Die varsity cup was baie aantreklik tot die sirkus met die protes aksie… snaaks genoeg was die varsity cup kompetisie nie ‘n SARU kompetisie nie… Dalk is dit juis die rede hoekom dit suksesvol is…

    Ons rugby is in die moeilikheid! Dis boring om te kyk en ons seuntjies se helde is deesdae all blacks… die goeie ou dae is verby… ek myself kyk graag all black rugby bloot omdat hulle nie vergeet het waaroor rugby gaan nie… ons het wel vergeet… en jammer om te sê SARU word ook maar deur amateurs gerun…

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  96. @Stier: Wel Stier, jy’t reeds jou ore uitgeleen aan iemand wat meen dat die Bulle geld aan Garsies betaal. En nou weet jy ook dat die seuns nie weet wie Garsies is nie. Nou ja, nes almal hierbo nie weet wie Paarl Gim, Boishaai, ens ens is nie, net so sal jy kinders kry wat nie weet wie Garsies, Grey, Affies ens is nie.
    Nog nooit gesê ALMAL wil Garsies toe kom nie. Net vertel wat werklik gebeur en daar is werklik baie seuns wat wil kom.
    So, luister eerder na die mense wat binnekennis het eerder as na die groep wat bogstories versprei. Dan is jou opinie meer ingelig!

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  97. @BoishaaiPa: Het die naweek na Nick Mallet se kommentaar geluister en dit was skokkend hoe gebrekkig sy kennis van die reels is. En Maandagaand geluiter na Jean en Ashwin. Nou, ek het baie respek vir hulle, maar ek hoor heeltyd verskonings van waarom die Bokke so swak speel. Alles van hulle is jonk, ‘n nuwe span, ken mekaar nie ens.
    Maar waarom sukkel die All Blacks nie so nie. Hulle verloor gereeld net so baie spelers en hulle skakel maklik in. En daar is geen van die verskonings wat ons ouens opdis nie.

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  98. I see after day at Grant Khomo the Lions are still on track to defend their title and the ‘favourites’ WP lost to Boland.

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  99. @Rugbyman: Jy besef seker ek was sarkasties hierbo, maar toe ek hierdie dinge n jaar of twee gelede geopper het, was daar etllike reaksies, maar wat met onkundig/negatief/pessimisties opgesom kan word. Die volgende sal jou “vermoede” bevestig: “Huge drop in Superrugby, TV, fan numbers” m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Rugby/SuperRugby/super-rugby-tv-fan-viewership-plummets-20160704?isapp=true

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  100. @odie15: But WP could’ve hit quota easily on merit and selected it’s best squad.

    This is when you question the selectors and not the quota system.

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  101. @BOG: Money money money!

    That list would halve tomorrow if policy of non-selection for Boks for overseas based players was implemented.

    Also added to it is the attraction of playing less games and hence extending one’s longevity in the game.And while at least tripling your earnings.

    Soccer experienced this at the advent of professionalism back in the late 60s and still happens today.The South American countries that experienced a player drain to European clubs are still up there with the best.It’s just all new to rugby and cricket.Let’s take a deep breath…equilibrium will be reached.Congratulations Rugby….you are now a career. :mrgreen:

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  102. @Gungets Tuft:

    Are you going to tear yourself away from the salt-mine to have a booga up at Kearsney at all? Gimme a shout if you are. I’m just down the hill – 10 mins away.

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  103. @Djou: So ek moet na jou luister? Ek het baie lank in Pretoria gebly. Garsies was tot onlangs nie eers bekend in Pretoria as ‘n rugby skool nie. Affies en Waterkloof was maar altyd die “rugby” skole. Dit is maar in die laaste vier of vyf jaar dat Garsies elke jaar ‘n faktor begin word het. Gaan kyk maar na die craven week spanned oor die laaste tien jaar. Ek sal nooit vergeet to Blades vir Victor so ‘n paar jaar gelede by craven week vra of Centurion en Garsfontein groot rugby skole is. Victor kon hom nie eers antwoord nie. Punt is Blades ken sy skool rugby en hy het nie eers geweet die skole het goeie rugby nie. Hoeveel Springbokke het Garsies al op gelewer? Garsies is ‘n nuwe skool en hulle sal nog ‘n tradiesie bou maar on vir my te kom vertel dat bruin kinders van die Kaap Garsfontein toe wil gaan? Soos ek gese het dit klink te goed on waar te wees en as iets te goed klink om waar te wees dan is dit gewoonlik.

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  104. @Djou: Sjo Djou maar jy is lig gevat. Relax, iemand iewers moet die geld gee…. Watter kind , wie se ouers skaars skoolgelde kan bekostig gaan hulle kinders ‘n 1500km weg stuur en wonderbaarlik ‘n paar ekstra duisend rand ‘n maand optower vir koshuisgelde en al die ander ekstra omkostes. Natuurlik is daar ‘n wortel voor gehou, wat dit ookal mag wees. En persoonlik dink ek nie daar is iets daarmee fout nie. Daar is vir hierdie kinders betaal, dis ‘n feit. Al waaroor nog geargumenteer kan word is wie het betaal. As dit nie die unie, of die skool was nie, was dit dan ‘n weldoener of dalk daai ou wat Saterdae by loftus die bulle ondersteun met die Bulring aan sy neus.

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  105. @BOG: As mens op ‘n saterdag langs die veld staan en praat met die ouers en seuns is dit duidelik dat al hoe meer seuns sien nie meer ‘n rugby toekoms in suid afrika nie. Hulle wil regverdig behandel word maar hulle besef dit gaan nie gebeur nie. So wie kan hulle kwalik neem? Dit is net hartseer om te sien hoe al hoe minder kinders belangstel in die springbok. Personlik sal ek nie betaal om super rugby of die springbokke te kyk nie. Totdat die ANC agents hulle snoete uit rugby hou sal ek nie geld mors nie. Om die skool kinders op saterdae te sien speel waar almal gelyk behandel word en net die beste speel is waaroor dit regtig gaan.

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  106. @Hooit: I don’t know what happened in that match. How it’s possible I don’t know. Some serious complacency also part of that. Maybe ploegie can shed some light on that loss….

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  107. @Playa: well as I said the union doesn’t have a clue…..The team was changed last minute which is well commented on by many.

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  108. @Playa: Im certainly not suggesting that money plays no role in the exodus of players- actually the total collapse of the ZAR, but you are fooling yourself if you think that it is the ONLY reason. And the incompetence which we are seeing in SARU, has NOTHING to do with money. The main reason for this decline, is POLITICAL INTERFERENCE, quotas just being a single manifestation of that. Further below, Stier points out that parents see no rugby future for their kids in SA and I know of some who are leaving directly after school. They are no longer interested in playing even U19 in SA. Next week, we have CW, which is supposed to be the “pride and joy” of SA school rugby. But it has lost its flavour too. Half of the teams will be playing with their shoe laces tied together.And everyone, except the rugby and political cadres know it. And mark my words, everyone, in an attempt, however sickening, to be politically correct, will avoid this issue- while the rugby suffers.Their “remedy” is MORE interference. Their “rationale” is that if socialism does not work, try “scientific socialism”- communism ( in a sporting sense). No, the writing is very clear on the wall, and no, you are not reading it incorrectly. If you think that you are, you are fooling yourself-big time

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  109. @BOG: It is the main reason.The political interference reason is debatable per individual,and my guess is it’s a small minority of those players that are in reality leaving because of it.There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and theit parents’) illusions of being destined for higher honours.I honestly have seen enough players who couldn’t even make their club’s first XV but skipped the country because of ‘quotas and politics’.More often than not,it’s just used as a convenient scapegoat.It’s actually become pathetic.
    That’s all I’ll say on this.

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  110. @Playa: it does sound as if you and those close to you have not really experienced the impact and nastiness of the quota system. I have and my children have. It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE in how you see these things. I can easily mention numerous talented children that have been and still are seriously affected by this and are considering moving to other countries. Yes, those around them (parents, coaches) do not always help in providing perspective, but the adverse effect of the quota system is REAL.

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  111. @Rugbyman: @Stier: @AntonT: @Playa: Lets just stand back and see how this all came about. Every union is made up of clubs. They vote in people to head the union. These people represented their clubs not rugby. Like Jacob and company their new found status resulted in entitlement of money to themselves due to previous disadvantage. They preceded to self enrich and i am well aware that when an event takes place the whole entourage and their families live lavish life styles in hotels courtesy of the unions bank account. I have been told that WP is struggling with money! HOW? The stadium was paid for decades ago in amateur era. Gate is pure profit….Sponsorship and gate fees should easily cover bills. But they are a beast that consumes everything in sight. Yes its professional and a decent salary is due to any that are employed by them. But how many are required? I would love to compare the WPRU to the Dallas cowboys staff and I am sure they out number the Cowboys 20/1 at least.

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  112. @Playa: To say that its only the players who cannot make it in SA, who are leaving the country, is BS yourself. Of course, not all of those who leave, will “make it”. Neither will all the ones who remain in SA. Fact is, they are gatvol for the regimes meddling in sport, while the pillars of society, are collapsing. Mind you, seldom has sport survived at an acceptable level, where governance has collapsed

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  113. @BrotherBear: Don’t get me wrong. Quotas is a genuine reason for some, but really not for a majority. Take a careful look a that list, and then tell me how many of those would you genuinely believe if they told you they are leaving because they have been affected by the quota system.

    A deserving white boy who loses out of a Craven Week position because the union needs to fill up a quota, gets fed up, packs his bags for Europe is a genuine case in my view. It is a case that happens all too often, and I too am concerned and sympathise. To be harsh – what is that about the cream always rising to the top? What is it about rolling up your sleeves and knuckling down to some good old hard work? In reality, though it’s a huge knock for a person, and he is right to plight his trade elsewhere.
    There is also the often misguidedness we suffer from as parents….and that is we all believe our kids are geniuses/superstars, and when they don’t make that team, or when they don’t get into that varsity, we blame external factors – instead of being honest with ourselves and to our kids.

    Look at that list of 45, and tell me honestly, how many do you believe are leaving because quotas/transformation/politics are a bigger reason than cash. How many in fact, would you say have had their careers limited because of quotas for that matter? I may be the ignorant one in this discussion.

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  114. @BOG:
    “To say that its only the players who cannot make it in SA, who are leaving the country, is BS yourself.”

    Could you please quote me on where exactly I said that?

    To be clear. My views are purely based on the article you posted, and the names listed thereof. The one reason for leaving all those guys have in common, is MONEY. That is the only absolute I can state, and we can debate that if you wish. Any other reasons, are individual dependant – whatever those may be, and these include politics. Where players sight politics as a reason, there will be genuine ones (small minority), and there will be convenient excuses (majority). Some of those will be people who rightfully have been hard done by transformation (I am struggling to see a single guy who I think has been limited by transformation – I am happy to be enlightened if I am missing something), some will be people who are disillusioned.

    The End

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  115. @BOG: Well I’m returning to the UK in 3 weeks exactly because of BEBEBEBBEEEEEEE & quotas. I have been the most experienced and qualified person for a number of director positions here in SA to be told they BEBEBEBEBEEEEBBEE positions. Also, I want my kids growing up in a society where everyone is equal and teams are picked on merit. I can tell you now many of those rugby players are doing it for their kids too..

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  116. Any of our intrepid bloggers from out of province going to be at Kearsney for the CW & Academy weeks?

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  117. @Rugger fan: Me, on Monday from 1pm…can’t wait! Will be up with my best mate who coaches at Ashton, he will probably be the biggest guy there on the day…can’t miss him…

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  118. @Grasshopper: Well, you cannot say that I did not warn you.As you call it, Mud Island is not all that great,climate wise, but at least you are not discriminated against because of your pigmentation. And you will be arriving there in summer which will ease the transition. And of course, many of the players who are leaving, are doing it in the interests of their children- not just rugby and money. You can go and read the comments on the SA expat pages to Australia as well. 99% of the thousands who takes this difficult step- a lot of money, big risks, do it in the interest of their children. And they sacrifice hugely to do that. But they see no future here for their kids.@Playa: That is precisely what you surmised- players are blaming AA, quotas for their shortcomings as rugby players. Well, Ill tell you, there are more who exploit quotas to masquerade as rugby players. And that becomes clear within 3-4 years after they leave school. Otherwise, Im not going to disturb your slumber. If you want to fool yourself, at least enjoy it. While you do, the pillars are crumbling.

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  119. @Grasshopper: A friend of my son, an old “Glenwoodian”, and I guess about your age, has been in CT since November and unable to find a job- for the same reason. In the UK, he worked for one of the top 3 IT companies, but in SA that counts for naught. He is probably on his way back too.

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  120. @BOG: What I surmised is “THERE ARE PLAYERS WITH SHORTCOMINGS WHO BLAME AA/QUOTAS FOR NOT MAKING IT’. English is a second language for both of us so I get how things can get lost in translation.Then again, you are famous (notorious) for twisting semantics to suit your own point.

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  121. @Playa: playa you amaze me, when non white players don’t get seleceted it is because of racism and you give one or two examples and the is then the norm.If white kids leave it is isolated cases and not the norm?

    It doesn’t matter if a white rugby player that leaves would have made it or not the fact that they leave is a huge problem. Ask yourself how many of these players that is named are black? Why so few black player? Look how many of these guys are under 25 even under 23. It is mad to think they only leave for the money. It also doesn’t realy mater weather you want to believe these kids leave because of the political interference or not the fact is it is a huge topic next to any schoolboy rugby field on a Saturday. Trust me the conversations is not just about the money.

    Also consider that very few will publicly say that they are leaving because of political interference. Look what happened to KP, we all had a big go at him and he was also one of those that wasn’t good enough to make it and he had to stand back for Bodi. Then a few years later he was the no.1 batsman in the world? Oops. We came from a racist past and instead of changing that we are once again building a new racist system and until black people in this country realize this we will once again experience decades of injustice. Remembered you don’t cure racism with racism.

    A few years ago I saw a interview with a old apartheid fighter on BBC and in the interview he was laughing his head of really laughing out of his stomach when explaining how ridiculous the system was. See he said that he was a Xhosa but he was very light skinned, so he had him self re classified as coloured and not black. He is right it is stupid just a pity it has not changed. I wonder if he will laugh just as loud at what is happening now, because if the system looks racist and smell racist it probably is racist.

    Funny you should mention hard work. I have been telling you that it is the only way to get successful transformations based on merit in this country. Good schools with good coaching so Mmvovo’s school don’t have to take 100+ at half time.

    One last thing thees white kids get told from under 11 that there will be quotas applied at their provincial trails. Because most black schools don’t have good coaching it can not be hidden away. These kids know when their opponent is good or not. They are not stupid and they can’t believe if they sometimes see who made the teams. So they get thought that from a young age so why should they not be suspicious of the system when they leave school, whether they are good enough or not, oops it might be another KP.

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  122. @BOG: I also think people don’t always understand what a big step it is to leave everything behind and go abroad. It is very few peoples first choice but looking at the way we are following the Zimbabwean path the decision is fast becoming more easy to make.

    A friend of mine moved to Melbourne four years ago. He is a medical engineer, financially he has been put fiftheen years back. Still he says for his kids futures he made the right decision at least they are relatively save and they will be judged on merit not on the colour of their skin.

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  123. @Stier: You have totally misunderstood me. I will attempt to make my point clear one more time.

    Paragraph 1:
    Read my post on 149 in response to BrotherBear.

    Paragraph 2:
    My disclaimer on 150 states that my comments, and any that follow are based on the article BOG posted, and the list of names in the said article. I have asked BrotherBear, and I will ask you as well. How many of those players, from your experience with them, do you believe are leaving purely because of quotas, and how their careers have been impacted by them?

    Paragraph 3&4:
    We will disagree on the correct definition of racism. I can understand and appreciate how the white population feels. My views on the way forward are well documented, and the long and short of it is that there is a realisation that needs to come from both whites and blacks – the problem we have right now is that whites want blacks to change, and blacks want whites to change – different circumstances, and no one is taking the time out to listen to the other without their black/white blinkers on.

    Paragraph 5:
    That was more of a jibe on my part. Probably out of line I’ll admit. But it comes from the constant white rhetoric that comes out everytime a black person mentions their hardships, and how their disadvantage is crippling their progress etc. There almost always will be the “My father had nothing and worked his way up/work hard and you will get the results/stop whining and get on with it” response. Again, I shouldn’t have added that, I was just thinking out loud.

    Paragraph 6:
    BOG once said on this very blog that all black representatives in SA sport are quotas by virtue of the quota system being a policy. By default, all employed professionals are AA appointments, all business owners are BEE beneficiaries because those policies exist…(he didn’t say it but he implied it – may he didn’t, in which case I will retract the assumption).

    I will quote Grassy above on 151: “I have been the most experienced and qualified person for a number of director positions here in SA to be told they BEBEBEBEBEEEEBBEE positions.”

    I will quote BOG on 155: “…In the UK, he worked for one of the top 3 IT companies, but in SA that counts for naught.”

    I do not agree with quotas at professional level. I do feel they are a necessary evil for reasons I have long explained here. I do not, and will never agree with quotas at school level. They are inexcusable. Kids will listen to their parents though. If talk like the one above flies around the house, true as they may be, you will have kids that slowly grow up with a sense of superiority and that the world is wrong when things don’t go their way. It is no different to a black kid growing up in a home where there is constant bitterness of how the father is paid less than his white colleague, or how he was not white enough to earn that promotion etc. Kids develop a certain sense from that, your frustration becomes theirs. A black kid will accept a less competent black person earning more than him or getting that promotion, and will probably just laugh it off, but will claim racism if it was a white person – the same tends to happen with white people in a vice versa situation. Sometimes justified because racism and quotas/AA/BEE are a reality in this country. Sometimes not because we were conditioned in certain ways from a young age and have become oblivious to our own incompetence, and shortcomings

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  124. @Stier:
    P.S. KP was a bowler first and for most and NOT a batsman when he left SA. That transformation happened abroad. Who knows what would have happened had he stuck around and concentrated on the bat while he was here. But it matters not.

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  125. @Playa: “There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and their parents) illusions of being destined for higher honours”, you referring to those who are leaving. If I can understand my wife and childrens Queens English, Im sure I can understand yours. R.I.P !!@Stier: That sums up the feeling of many who have moved elsewhere. They would rather struggle elsewhere, even go unemployed, but their focus is on their children and they have hope, something which has evaporated in SA. Just one question that I have for both of you. Under the old dispensation, one of the most obnoxious and contentious laws, was the “Race classification Act”. How do they currently categorize a person/player if they do not physically classify them? Yes, he might ostensibly be of a particular colour, but surely, distant observation cannot possibly determine that beyond doubt. It would really be a very interesting court case.

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  126. @BOG: As your wife to translate the word Queen’s English word “some” into a language you can understand.

    While at it, ask them to put the whole statement into context for you:

    “It is the main reason.The political interference reason is debatable per individual,and my guess is it’s a small minority of those players that are in reality leaving because of it.There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and theit parents’) illusions of being destined for higher honours.”

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  127. @AntonT: Nie liggeraak nie boet – hou net nie daarvan dat ouens leuens versprei – en as dit reggestel word, dan is die ander persoon kwansuis liggeraak volgens jou. Of wil jy he mens moet maar jou mond hou en die leuens laat rondgaan?

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  128. @Stier: Kyk waar is jy nou! Maak ‘n stelling dat Bulle vir Garsies betaal en word reggehelp. Vra dan hoe beland kinders in die Kaap in Garsies en jy word reggehelp.
    Jy hou nie van die antwoorde nie en is nou op ‘n hele ander tema van niemand weet wie Garsies is nie en bring vir Victor ens ens in – ‘n tipiese voorbeeld van kognitiewe dissonansie.
    Ag ek los dit liewer! :roll:

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  129. @Playa: From my limited experience there are multiple reasons that young players are leaving: Sponsored international study opportunities, money, life style, gap year of sorts, SA political environment, quotas and general dissolutionment with the unions. Two young up and coming players have/are leaving a particular Union as they are dissolutioned with the union, the management of the Union (who are white), the attitude of the Snr players at the Union (who are white). They are electing to ply their trade abroad. While no doubt the quota issue is an issue, it is not THE issue. Take KZN as an example, play rugby and get a world class degree at the same time, not!

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  130. @McCulleys Workshop: Thank you.That is exactly what I have been trying to say.You could have saved me the multiple posts I have wasted time writing.I’m not very strong in expressing myself in the Queens English.

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  131. @BOG: Shocking really, international experience thrown to the trash. M company now made 20 people redundant because our initial revenue targets were missed, guess why? Our targets were set in Euro and the Rand has lost so much value we just can’t hit those targets. Guess who the majority let go? The more experienced and educated white managerial staff so the company could become more BEEBEBEBEBEBBEEBEBEBEBEBEE compliant….

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  132. @Grasshopper: Well, the consequences are known elswhere in Africa, and there is not a single reason why it will be different here. Anyway, all the best in finding something even better in the UK. I can imagine what is going to happen to those targets when SA hits junk in December and the ZAR goes into a free fall.@Playa: With your last comment, you at least illustrated what you meant by “semantics”. Fact is that SA is losing an estimated 52 000, highly skilled people pa. In their place, we are getting uneducated refugees in the millions.And yes,many of those who are leaving, include rugby players. Their concerns for their children are no different from any other people. Here is a different ange of the same report earlier. “TV audiences turn off the rugby. Is sports sponsorships bubble bursting?” http://www.biznews.com/rugby/2016/07/05/tv-audiences-turn-off-rugby/

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  133. @BOG: tell your friend to email me if he’s looking for interview. Need more private line though for email details.

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  134. @Djou: Gaan lees wat jy se in 118. Soos ek reeds gese het die kans dat kinders van die kaap garsies toe wil gaan klink net te goed. Daar gaan nie eers soveel van hulle Affies of Grey toe nie? Ek weet nie wie kry almal geld nie maar ek weet vir ‘n feit dat Centurion het gekry of hulle nog kry weet ek nie en hulle was ook nie die enigste nie. Dit maak ook nie saak wie die geld gee of nie gee nie. Die feit is baie kinders van die kaap beland in skole in Gauteng omdat daar geld betrokke is en nie omdat die kinders 1500 km van hulle ouers wil wees nie.

    Niemand op hiedie blog of enige ander forum sal glo dat so baie kinders van die kaap Garsies toe wil gaan dat soos jy dit se julle die hele skool kan vul met aansoeke van die kaap.

    ‘n Tjom van my seun is geteken deur HJS, hy bly in die kaap. Skole in Gauteng wou hom ook he. Nou is die vraag hoekom sou ‘n skool in Gauteng ‘n kind wil he wat reeds geteken is deur HJS? Om hom ‘n better geleentheid te gee? Ek dink nie so nie. As niemand hom geteken het nie en hulle wil hom help dan verstaan mens maar dit is nie wat hulle doen nie. Maar hoe weet hierdie skole van die kinders? Dit is alles net te veel van ‘n toeval. Elke jaar dieselfde storie en dit sonder enige hulp van buite net kinders hier in die kaap wat graag in gauteng wil skool gaan? Ook interresant hoe meeste van die kinders nie blank is?

    Laerskool rugby in die kaap is baie groter en beter as in gauteng glo my, my seun was by altwee betrokke. Her in die kaap speel almal rugby in die township is daar ‘n rugby veld ons speel teen nie blanke skole elke kwartaal en van hulle is goed veral die laer ouderdomme. Die ding is ek ken meeste van my seun se opponente by die naam. Hier ken die kinders van verskillende skole mekaar van kleins af. Dit is die Groot ding wat my hier in die kaap opgeval het. Miskien omdat alles kleiner is ek weet nie maar her kry mens nog daai gevoel van almal ken almal. My punt is dat ek met baie jong seuns praat en ken, en ek het nog nooit een hoor praat oor skool gaan in gauteng nie. Ja ek ken nie almal nie maar as garsies so ‘n gewilde keuse is sou mens dit al iewers gehoor het. En my seun het in drie sporte WP proewe tot by die laaste proewe gevorder. Punt is ons ken meeste van die top kinders hier onder. En soos ek se garsies het ek nog nooit gehoor nie, nie eers Affies of Grey nie.

    Sorry jou stories klink net te goed om waar te wees.

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  135. Sad to hear of the death of JJ Yamwimbi from the Valke team. Seems he had concussion from a game for his school. Our sincere condolences go out to his family, friends and school, Rhodesfield. He was in the Valke GK team a few years ago.

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  136. @Playa: Agree fully with @McCulleys Workshop (and you) on the multiple reasons for players leaving. To answer your question w.r.t. the mentioned 45; I don’t really know. I believe Marcel Coetzee was done in w.r.t. his place in the Springbok team and replaced with a PD player that was not as good as him (to fulfil quotas).
    My comments relate to the scurge called “Quotas”, but, once again, that is only one reason for some players leaving. I equate it to crime. Just because a few people commit crimes, does not condemn a nation. The crime is however still wrong.
    My view (repeated) is that it is actually a good thing that players are leaving. Creates some space for up & coming and also weeds out some old wood. Also improves rugby in some areas of the world (USA).

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  137. @McCulleys Workshop: Yes there may be many reasons why players leave. They will probably find the same things once they are overseas seeing that so many of these white players are going over. But to suggest that kids don’t see qoutas as a big obstical for a future in this country is not true. As soon as you make a racial bias part of a system it doesn’t mater what the reality is anymore. Those people living under that system will be judged as being part of that system. So white kids will experience racial bias at sport trails and will always see qoutas as a real or realistic obstical. To now expect their parents to justify this system is asking somebody to lei to his own child, who will do that? Unfortunitly that means that any black player that makes it will be labled as a qouta player. The question will always be how many white kids had to stand back for x y or z player to be selected through the age group levels? Is it wrong? It doesn’t mater the system labels these players.

    Can I ask what is the qouta for rugby teams at the moment. And do we have one team that has achieved that qouta?

    The point I make is that yes players will leave for many reasons and that can all be changed through good management better accounting better opportunities what ever but qoutas is part of a system. It is like saying bad management is now the system or non delivering on promises is now the system. That is the problem with qoutas, the rest can be changed and will always differ depending on the management at a individual institution but qoutas is part of the system something totally different. Nobody can get past it and all will be judged by it for as long as it is there. Even Hansen asked how do you motivate players to beat the best if they don’t even know they are the best in their own country?

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  138. @Djou: Why don’t you answer @Stier and @AntonT, rather than accusing people of lies again? Seems you have a bit of a mental block w.r.t. the truth and the world you live in. Once your arguments dry up you start accusing people – WHAT THE HELL? I also want to know, why children should be uprooted from their families, and travel 1000’s of kilometres to attend your school? There are many excellent schools in the country and I promise you there are schools just as good as Garsies and Helpies and, and …. in the Cape. Some kind of “carrot” is being used to get these kids into Garsies. AND it is not your name as a rugby giant (yet). Who is then paying for their studies, accommodation, etc? Club ?????? Nobody wants to take anything away from Garsies, just play open cards.

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  139. @Stier: “@McCulleys Workshop: Yes there may be many reasons why players leave. They will probably find the same things once they are overseas seeing that so many of these white players are going over. But to suggest that kids don’t see qoutas as a big obstical for a future in this country is not true.”

    Please attend Bog’s wife’s English classes. Or, hit the Aum Sai Baba personal relief weekend to free yourself from personal interpretations.

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  140. @Rugger Fan: from comments raised previously, I believe the following “other” people could be attending the Kearsney youth rugby week:
    @Hooit
    @Quagga
    @Riempies
    @Greenman
    @Grasshopper?
    Will you be attending?

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  141. @BrotherBear: I phoned the school to organize a SBR braai, only to find that we have to park outside the Kearsney property due to 40 busses etc.

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  142. @Grasshopper: jeez ol’ Hopper – true to your name you certainly have hopped around. UK – CT – Durban – JHB and now back to the UK. Brave move with all the uncertainty over there at the moment but best of luck. Is this the same company you transferred from the UK to SA with and are you going back with the same company?

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  143. @Grasshopper: Just dont get carried away with the compliment regarding your “bravery”. The uncertainty in SA, with the certainty of a credit downgrade, is much greater than the consequences of Brexit. :mrgreen:

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  144. @BrotherBear: I will be there. Leaving on Saterday already. I heard that parking could be a problem. Will have to go early to get decent spot. Just a pity most of the good games are in the latter part of day.

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  145. @Hooit: Ja nee kyk! Gelukkig veskil alle mense. Om n vuurtjie mag ons miskien oor meer as eending saamstem. Mense moet net bietjie minder gevoellig wees. Dit is mos rugby man!!

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  146. @BrotherBear: Van julle manne is redelik nuut en daarmee bedoel ek die laaste 2 jaar op die blog… ander van ons kom al van die begin af, van rugby365 se dae af… elke nou en dan pop n man soos stier uit en vra die vrae wat al vir ure, dae en weke gedebateer is op die blog en die meeste ouens hier sal daarvan getuig…

    Met die grootste respek, ek gaan rerig nie weer in die “removing boys from their roots” en “duisende kilometers van hulle huise” ensovoort betrokke raak nie…

    Kom ek som dit so op, en ek gaan rerig daarby volstaan… ouers en kinders maak keuses… niemand het enigsins n geweer teen enige seun in garsfontein se kop gedruk en die ouers of kind geforseer om na ons toe te kom nie… ons het kinders van mpumalanga, limpopo, noordwes ens ook in ons skool want ons het n koshuis… so ook het grey en affies en paarl gim en monnas en so kan ek aangaan ook kinders van dwarsoor die land in hulle skole… dit bly keuses! Die kinders wat by ons is, is gelukkig en dit kan jy gerus met hulle gaan toets as jy sou wou! Het ons ‘n waglys? Contrary to popular belief het ons n waglys ja en kan ons nie al die kinders akkomodeer wat by ons aansoek doen nie! Daarby volstaan ek. Lekker aand!

    O ja! En geluk aan die blou bulle grant khomo span met hulle wen oor die leeus… daar is after all darem 5 garsies in daai span insluitende die kaptein… well done seuns!

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  147. @Rugbyman: Sorry dat ek nou on nuus weer laat herleef. Ek aanvaar dat 90% van alle kinders gelukkig is in die skool wat hulle gekies het. En dit geld ook vir julle skool. Niemand wonder oor die kinders se geluk nie. Dit is egter wel ‘n vraag of Garsfontein so ‘n ongelooflik naam op gebou het, veral onder briun mense in die kaap dat hulle nou al op waglyste gesit word by Garsies.

    Ek het nie ‘n probleem met enige ou wat enige skool toe gaan nie. Maar baie van die mense verstaan nie wat dit alles beteken nie en omdat hulle glo dit is ‘n geleentheid vir hulle kinders doen hulle dit en sal hulle nie kla nie. Ek het al met ‘n paar kinders gewerk wat uit arm gebiede kom en dan sulke geleenthede kry. Dit is moeilik vir hulle ouers om nee te se, en hulle het gewoonlik nie die vrymoedigheid of kennis om by plaaslike skole te gaan aansoek doen vir hulp nie. Hulle vat die eerste beste aanbod sonder om vir iets beter te wag of te vra.

    Enige redelike goeie skool met ‘n koshuis sal ‘n waglys he, maar genoeg om die hele skool vol kaapse kinders te maak soos party mense hier se?

    Soos jy se kom ons los dit dan daar. Ek verstaan nou, ouers hier van die kaap se townships bel vir garsies op aandrang van hulle kinders sonder om eers hier te probeer en dan stuur hulle hulle kinders gauteng toe. Julle werf nie hier onder die mense nie. Sonder enige hulp of inmenging van julle kant, kan hulle julle skool volmaak.

    Ek speel net,maar jy moet erken dit klink nie baie geloofwaardig nie. Maar dit wys net weer “truth is stranger than fiction.”

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  148. @Stier: Ek het nooit gesê ons werf nie… ons koshuis is egter nie net vol kaapse kinders nie… dis nie waar nie… miskien moet jy wp en boland skole vra hoe van die talentvollr seuns deur hulle net glip…? Ek vermoed van die seuns soek geleenthede…. truth it is…

    Waglys die het ons ook… nie net van die kaap nie, dwarsoor die land…

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  149. @Stier: Stier, identifiseer jouself bietjie – watter skool ondersteun jy en wees meer spesifiek want jy maak baie random aannames. Monie worry, ons sal nie so sarkasties soos jy wees en aspris leuens versprei nie.

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  150. @BrotherBear: So say the greatest liar of them all Brotherbear! I’ll rather keep my mouth shout if I were you because it was proven that nobody should believe anything you say!
    Read properly all the questions answered. Unfortunately, they don’t answer my questions. Wonder why?
    @Hooit: Sal lekker braai met Helpies – net sonder die Beer! Hy wil net baklei en lieg en superiority wys! Weet min van nederigheid!

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  151. @BrotherBear: You must be a bad reader. Garsies was the one school to openly acknowledge that they recruit while others said they don’t. We also explained the funding model like 100 times. Now please explain Helpies’ funding model. Who pays for your recruits?

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  152. @Djou: Nee man wat se leuens versprei ek?

    Selfs rugbyman se julle werf hier in die kaap. Lieg hy ook? Jy en rugbyman teken twee verskillinde prentjies van dieselfde skool.

    Weereens ek het nie ‘n probleem met kinders werf en geleenthede gee nie. Maar asseblief moeinie voorgee julle reputasie as ‘n rugby skool laat die kinders van oor die hele land tou staan sonder ‘n vet wortel nie. Baie min skole in ons land kan kinders trek sonder dat ‘n ouer in die skool was of dat die skool die naaste bestse opsie is nie. Selfs die top skole in ons land sal sukkel om voor te bly as hulle nie talent werf nie. Party skole moet geld gee ander het so ‘n naam dat hulle net ‘n uitnodiging gee, maar almal werf en die meeste moet betaal. Glo my selfs Grey sal “help” as hulle dink dit is die moeite werd.

    Wie weet eendag hoef garsies ook net ‘n uitnodiging te stuur maar daai dag is nog nie nou al nie.

    Ek hou van Affies en HJS.

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  153. Sorry daar seg jy ook nou julle werf? Hoe dan nou jy laat dit nog die hele tyd klink of kinders self daar opdaag?

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  154. Iets anders, as ‘n kind by craven week beseer word en hospitaal toe moet gaan, wie moet pa staan vir die kostes? Het die unie enige verantwoordelikheid of is dit die kind se probleem?

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  155. @odie15: The sun always shines over some part of the British Empire, they say- or said. Not quite these days anymore, but no, I just have a very unusual routine, necessary if I do wish to speak to someone where the sun does shine. Or clean a babys dirty nappy. Sleep tight-off to bed again. :lol:

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  156. @Stier: Net n klein regstellingtjie na aanleiding van al jou kommentaar hierbo. HJS “teken” niemand nie….goeie kandidate word identifiseer en word genooi om aansoek te doen vir toelating. Die skoolhoof en sy bestuur het die finale keuse oor wie aanvaar word en wie nie. Vanselfsprekend dat iemand wat genooi word dalk n beter kans staan om toelating te kry, maar dis nie altyd die geval nie. Die skool kan net soveel Gr 8’s akkomodeer en kry omtrent 10 keer meer aansoeke..hulle het redelike wye keuses om van te kies en balans is belangrik tussen sport, akademie en kultuur. Jou tjom se seun is dus een van baie min wat gelukkig genoeg was om aanvaar te word.

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  157. @Roger: hahaha, yep hop hop hop, I love change. Nah, just had family issues that have made us move so often. My wife hates me for it but as a stay at home mom hasn’t got much choice. We decided 4 years ago to give SA a chance and came back to see for ourselves. It’s been a great 4 years but there are just too many issues facing the country to deal with. We all know what they are. Brexit and whatever happens will be a little blip compared to what faces SA. I just cannot keep my head in the sand any longer so off we go. SA will always be my country and I love it, but my kids will be full blown pommies. Anyway, I hope to keep up with Schools rugga here as I did before.

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  158. @BOG: I tried Aus too but their skills shortage list is mostly blue collar jobs or professional jobs like medicine, CA’s etc. I’m in a very niche digital media sector which isn’t really IT and more advertising/marketing. I could get in but would need to be patient. I have a UK passport so just easier to walk into the UK. Just today we had two break-ins in our ‘secure’ estate….it’s getting too close…

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  159. @Grasshopper: yes – I can imagine the trouble and strife is not too happy with been uprooted time and again! Your kids are still young so good time to go. I still have many friends in the UK and in my line of business go there often. Business hates nothing more than uncertainty and unfortunately, for the City of London in particular, uncertainty will be around for quite a while and that means job freezes, planned project cuts, no spending etc until they decide where they are at. That’s why I asked if you are transferring with the same company that you came to SA with? I love the UK – lived and worked there for 8 years and travelled extensively across Europe but my view is that the UK, and Europe and particular are facing a very uncertain immediate future – but then again, so is the whole bloody world!

    Good luck

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  160. @Rugbyman: Thanks that you at least make an effort to reply. Apologies for trying to steal some of your valuable time. If it is a huge effort to state it clearly, then please refer to the statements in previous blog entries where the FACTS were stated. It is all the new guys are asking for. @Stier probably has a right just like everyone else, to ask questions and be answered. Your answers above are all very general and vague. They do contradict themselves in that you acknowledge active recruitment but then fail to state who pays for deserving but financially dependent scholars. I do not detect any untruths, but your statement do not tell the WHOLE story. You do say it is NOT the school or the BB union. So I will ask a specific question: What influence or contribution or support or affiliation does SARU or any rugby union or affiliated rugby body have w.r.t. any pupil from “out of town” at Garsfontein?

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  161. @Djou: REALLY? You proclaim from the rooftops that certain people are liars and then you ask them questions. What does that mean? My advice is to think hard and deep before you make any further statements on the blog or, in public for that matter. You know what happened to the boy who carried on “Crying Wolf”? Your continued attempts to discredit is rather lame, without imagination and reflects your persona in a very bad light (which it probably isn’t). If you want to play in the Lion’s den, you better have something more than a candlestick (or fake bull horns). hehehe

    I will answer your question though: I don’t know for a fact where the money would come from, but I assume there may be elements of cross-subsidisation from school fees, income from various school managed events and funding from alma mater. I do know that some existing parents have assisted some scholars in the hostel out of their own pocket where emergency medical events have occurred.

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  162. @BoishaaiPa: you quite correct as an old boy even it was quite a stressful year receiving admissions to Boishaai for my son. I would say boys applying that are more skilled rugby players have a better opportunity and more realistic chance. I had to wait until following year for space in hostel. It’s extremely competitive even to just into the school. The competition doesn’t stop there…The bois push each other non stop. Some seek excellence in other sports and fields of interest once they have settled in. If people take a look at all round achievements it’s more than just rugby. Yes the rugby has a huge drive but all are busy not just rugby players. I think Boishaai are in a good position that they can select from the pick of the crop who jostling for position in a top school. I recall whole grade 7 year boys discussing places they applied to and would like to go to if accepted. Last 7 years or so and history of the school being huge draw card.

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  163. @Grasshopper: Their (Oz) requirements vary and often they are in greater need of chefs and hairdressers than medicine men and CAs. In fact, right now, CAs and engineers are struggling to find jobs, while carpenters and plumbers are in demand.So, keep your ear to the ground and dont go on a temporary visa, the 457 I think?. Risk to high- rather wait for the 189 (PR). Otherwise what about NZ? Your sister is there and after you have acquired NZ nationality (4/5 yrs), you can move freely between Oz and NZ. Anyway the purpose of that article, tells you that gloom drives emigration, rather than gap years, pleasure, unhappiness with clubs,or any other fabricated explanation for the flight. And of course, rugby players would be included.

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  164. @Hooit: I know the Academy team playing Monday and Craven team on Tuesday. Hopefully they have enough “boerekos” and coffee available. Some people thinking of bringing their gazebos and gas braais along as well.
    You ask the question (in jest) if it is safe to braai together. I think the parents from different schools sometimes get along better than with parents of their own schools. hehehehe
    We have (had) one such extremely irritating parent that has caused all sorts of havoc at school (really not a pleasant person). Through formal and informal processes he has been made to understand that his behaviour is unacceptable and that if the behaviour continuous he is not welcome in the community. Luckily he has decided to remove his child from Helpmekaar and move to a public school closer to Randburg.

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  165. @BrotherBear: Amper sê ek iets lelik…

    Die bulle en saru betaal vir geen kind by garsfontein nie… ons interne sake is ons saak… ek neem aan Helpies het ook beurse? Dis wat ek hoor by my pelle daar… ek meng my nie in by julle geldsake nie want dit het niks met my te doen nie… los ons sin dan ook maar vir ons…

    Terloops… ek hoor ook die ouens by helpies wil graag weet wie jy is… help hulle asb tog uit

    Lekker dag

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  166. @BrotherBear: @Djou: Funding is always a critical issue in a private school. As I will have 5 kids in Helpies from next year and have personally been through the very tough admissions process for the fifth time this year I think I can give my 2 cents worth. Helpmekaar is not a rugby school and rugby certainly is in my perception way down the pecking order as is evident from any Laudatio evening. They have people that are passionate about the sport (like us :lol: ) and talented like any other school and word-of-mouth is probably their main tactic to create awareness among potential learners. They also invite parents of talented kids to come and have a look around. During the first interview for my eldest son (who played for the GL at the time), the only comment about rugby was that they enjoy competing but losing is as important as winning. The focus has certainly been on receiving a superb level of academic instruction followed perhaps by athletics and certainly a huge amount of cultural/arts/entrepreneurial activities in my opinion. Every year the number of applications to enroll into the school exceed the available seats exponentially so the few months of the interviewing and selection process could end up being quite stressful to the parents and prospective Welpies alike. As far as funding is concerned I can tell you there may be a few learners with special circumstances that may apply through the school structures every year to receive financial support for the following year but there are no sports bursaries that I have heard of. My son moved from a sports scholarship in another private school where he was in the boarding house to Helpies for personal reasons where we had to pay our way. Simple as that. The same is the case with my other four and the same will apply for the youngster who will go through that same process this time next year and that GL jumper he wore in Vryheid at the u12 week may assist to get him into the school as much as a top 10 academic performer or the head boy of a primary school or a girl who has an equestrian background or a music talent but won’t result in any of them enjoying free schooling. It just does not and cannot work that way in a private school that seeks to maintain exceptional standards.

    As far as Garsies and perhaps Florida funding models are concerned I say who cares where the money comes from, as long as whatever the situation, it is always in the interest of the developing child. Being a thousand kms from home must be extremely difficult for a kid but I don’t think for one second that these schools do not put the interests of the child first and have a suitable support program in place and in some cases that might be THE opportunity that has such a profound influence on that boy’s future that makes all the difference to that person. I know some kids that are in that situation personally and I know at least some of them will never look back. To me the more critical issue is after school, after the good work that Saints or Jeppe or Garsies or Florida or KES have done, what happens to that young person to realise his potential and not get lost in a system that has widely been shown up as generally weak and uncaring when it comes to players.

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  167. @Rugbyman: Weereens dankie vir jou kommentaar, alhoewel jy nie my vraag volledig beantwoord nie. Weet regtig nie hoekom jy so opgewonde raak nie (“amper se ek nou iets leliks”). Se dit net soos dit is, ou maat. As jy nie inligting wil openbaar maak, se dan net so. Leef dan ook maar net met die feit dat mense nie gaan ophou vrae vra nie, a.g.v. die uitsonderlike omstandighede (anders as ander skole in die omgewing wat nie op hierdie vlak uit die Kaap uit werf). Onthou net dat julle standaarde en wat julle vir die kinders doen nie deur my bevraagteken word nie. Net die werklike motiewe en befondsing.
    Bly om te sien jy het nou weer ‘n warm gevoel jeens die mede-helpies. Die houding het nie baie sterk deurgekom toe jy en jou Waterkloof maters so bietjie “gevleg” en julle Helpmekaar “ge-badmouth” het nie.

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  168. @Quagga: Dankie man. Jy het my so pas n helse klomp tyd gespaar :mrgreen: . Het self twee keer die padjie gevolg. Ek hoop regtig dit is nou die einde van die tipe gesprekke! Hy het gese ek het gese bring niemand iets in die sak nie. @Djou ek hoop jou vraag is nou geantwoord. @Quagga nie n persoon wat leens vesprei nie so da het jy dit nou. Indien dit nie voldoende is nie is jy meer as welkom om n brief aan direksie te skryf vir verdere anrwoorde. Ek soos miskien baie op die blog nou moeg vir die tipe gesprekke. Kom ons praat eerder oor rugby en hou op om skole te kritiseer. Dink dit is in swak smaak. :(

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  169. @BrotherBear: ek sal dan maar weer stilbly… soos ek duidelik in my post gesê het, het ons befondsing niks met jou te doen nie…

    @Riempies: stem met jou saam… dis egter julle mede helpie wat die strooi begin… sal hom maar liefs in die vervolg ignoreer… hy maak my opgewonde

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  170. @Riempies: Mens moet net onderskeid kan tref tussen openlike kritiek en regmatige vrae vra. Ek herhaal ook paar keer dat Garsfontein goeie werk doen, so diskrediteer nie die skool. Wil ook nie net aanvaar jy praat oor my kommentaar, maar weet nie heeltemal aan wie almal jou komentaar gerig is hier bo (sien dis spesifiek aan @Quagga gerig) i.v.m. skole kritiek. Baie keer is die powere manier van antwoord eerder die slegte refleksie. Ook niks verkeerd om mekaar bietjie aan te vat nie – hou dit net bo die waistline.
    Moes ongelukkig ook vir @Rugbyman laat onthou dat hy nie so “holier than thou” is as wat hy voorgee nie (gesprekke oor Helpmekaar tussen hom en Waterkloof kerel op blog vroeer in seisoen). Kan nie onthou dat sulke gesprekke al tussen ons oor ander skole gehou is nie – of hoe?

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  171. @BrotherBear: jou optrede na julle ons geklop het verwys… jy is die rede! Jy het helpies se naam in onguns gebring! Nou wil jy hoogheilig speel… ongelooflik

    Cheers ou beer

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  172. @BrotherBear: Boetie ek hoor wat jy se. Het dit ook gelees op n vorige keer. My komentaar is gerig aan almal wat wil luister. Ek en ek se ek glo dat die tipe gesprekke geen waarde tot die blog toevoeg nie meer eerder n modder gooiery veroorsaak. Om mekaar aantevat is goed solank dit opbouend is. Dit wat hier plaasvind sit buide Helpies en Garsies in n slegte lig by mede blog lesers. Dit gaan min oor rugby en eerder oor wie die laaste se kan he. Kom ons stop liewer hierdie gespreke en gaan terug na wat hierdie blog voor bedoel is. Rugby.
    Ek sien baie uit na volgende week en sal liewer kommentaar oor Craven en Akademieweek rugby wil lees. Daarmee volstaan ek die gesprek.

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  173. @Riempies: maar ek hou van die laaste sê!!! :twisted:

    Niemand praat eers oor die grant khomo of laerskole cravenweek nie… nog minder oor die noordvaal week… wat gaan aan manne??

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  174. @Riempies: Ok, hoor wat jy se.
    Probleem om net oor sekere “topics” te gesels, is dat dit maar bra boring gaan wees as ons net gaan hoor van hoe goed Pietie en Jannie speel soos berig word deur al die pappas se vriende en agente. Punt van blog is om so bietjie verskeidenheid te he en oor ALLE aspekte van rugby te kan gesels. @Stier is nuwe man en het heel legitieme vrae gevra. Indien mens fyn lees sal jy sien dat bietjie meer inligting elke keer uitkom of uit ‘n ander perspektief gestel word. En dit is nie noodwendig sleg vir die ouens wat nie wil deel nie.
    “Point to ponder”: dink jy werklik dat Grey Kollege se naam deur die modder gesleep word omdat @BOG ‘n unieke manier het om sy wereld te beskryf?

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  175. @Rugbyman: Hoop on dan volgende week baie komentaar te hoor. Lees die Lions het n groot terugkom poging aangewend in 2de helfde teen Bulls GK maar toe verloor. Was blykbaar baie mooi rugby.

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  176. @rugbyman: Eish, ou maat. Weet nie waar jy normes en waardes geleer het nie. Ek glo nie van jou stellings reflekteer Garsfontein nie.
    Die instellings waaraans ons gekoppel is (op watter manier ook al), is baie groter as die individu. Hoe kan een persoon se kommentaar ‘n instelling se naam in onguns bring? Veral nie as daardie persoon nie namens die instelling praat nie. Sometimes it just boggles the mind.

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  177. @BrotherBear: Ek lees graag almal se kommentaar. Ek het persoonlik n probleem daarmee as almal wat met n skool geassosieer word onder die selfde kam geskeer word. Ek het al op n vorige geleentheid gese dat ons die skool trui van ons skool met trots dra. Juis agv van dit dink mense soms dat hul dieselfde opinie het. Dit is ma die geval van assosiasie. Boring aanvaar ek eerder as modder gooiery. Ek is seker dat as intelligente mense ons wel oor iets kan praat eerder as om mekaar die heletyd sleg te se. Dit is nie verskuidenheid nie, maar swak. @BOG het ook maar sy eie idees en dit pla my min.

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  178. @BrotherBear: “My wereld?” Ek sou hoop dat die wereld wat ek “beskryf”, die universele een is waarin almal lewe. Ek dink, met die “benefit of hindsight”, was ek nogal tot dusver, kommerwekkend akkuraat met my voorspellings al het van die manne moerig en geirriteerd geraak. Wat my opinie aangaan, het ek nog nooit te kenne gegee dat ek hoegenaamd namens iemand of iets, praat nie. Wat ek se, is uitsluitlik my persoonlike opinie. En wat opinie betref, is ek dankbaar vir n skoolopvoeding waar individualisme ook kon floreer en waar elkeen nie n eentonige en slaafse eenvormigheid gehad of het nie. En my ou gebruikte voorbeeld. GCB het vir Bram Fischer en Roby Leibrandt opgelewer en elke denkbare opinie tussen daardie twee uiterstes. As ek moet raai, sou ek dink ek le iewers in die middel van daardie twee here.

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  179. @BOG: konteks is dat elkeen van ons ‘n “my wereld” het, en dat nie almal op die blog met jou menings saamstem nie (net soos met baie ander ouens se menings).

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  180. Teams representing different Provinces at U/18 Craven week/Academy week.
    It seems as if some provinces are deemed more important than others, or deemed to potentially have more talent than others.

    When looking at the teams playing at Kearsney next week the following observations stick out:

    Three provinces have FOUR teams (each a CW, XV and two Country District)
    1. Griquas
    2. EP
    3. Border

    Four provinces have THREE teams (each a CW, XV and CD)
    1. Griffons
    2. Valke (CW, Red, Blue0
    3. Pumas
    4. Sharks

    Three of the Country District teams also play in the Craven week portion
    1. Griquas
    2. Border
    3. EP

    Definitely not power against power then – but only performance will show if this is true. I think the organisers have made a very good decision to use one venue for all the games. Hopefully they then have an opportunity, next year, to match power against power.
    As a first step they should include at least one more team from the WP (they can probably get two more teams), one more from the Lions, one more from the BB and one more from SWD (swap with WP?). These are the real powerhouses where deserving kids do not get an opportunity (vs. EP, Border and Griquas). They can decide if some CD teams get kicked off, or not.
    They should also move the following teams to the Craven week
    1. Lions XV
    2. Sharks XV
    3. WP XV
    4. BB XV
    5. SWD XV
    and the following to the Academy week competition
    1. Griquas CD
    2. Zim
    3. Namibia
    4. Border CD
    5. EP CD
    I know the existing setup is probably used to identify potential PD talent, but they can probably put a more concerted effort into it.

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  181. @BrotherBear:

    Yep – i’ll be there.

    Greenblooded and Gungets may also be along.

    To the Kearnsey guys – how are CW & AW being done on the same times? Are 2 fields being used or only Stott?

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  182. @Rugger fan: I think there may be more than two fields being used. There is no parking on the school property due to the fields being used and the 40 busses that need to be parked.

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  183. @Rugger fan: have a look at the Kearsney school site. They have info on next week.
    Seems 2 fields to be used for matches and another set for warm-up.
    They also needed to create space for the beer-tent – as a matter of course.

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  184. @BrotherBear: Jammer jy is die laaste een wat oor norme en standaarde kan praat. Hou net op kerm en lieg en probeer meer nederigheid toon. Die lewe sal makliker word.

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  185. @Stier: Jy is of blind of lui of lees nie. Selfs Boishaaipa moes jou reghelp in jou alwetenheid. En watter skool ondersteun jy?

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  186. @Quagga: Thanks for the explanation. Now please explain why my friend of the past 16 years’ son has a bursary. And he can afford school fees.

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  187. @BoishaaiPa: sorry man verkeerde bewoording. Kinders word genooi om aansoek te doen en as hulle aanvaar word hoef hulle nie koshuis en /of skool gelde te betaal nie. Ek weet van vier seuns wat so “gehelp” word. Drie is in die koshuis ook.

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  188. I think through all the comments it us clear that the braai is not going to happen?. Predictions for day 1 CW. 1. Griquas to beat Namibia. 2. Pumas to beat Griffons but it will be tight. 3.WP to beat Boland. 4. EP to take the win against the Sharks.

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  189. Sorry manne, dit lyk my almal is nou kwaad en nou is Hooit se braai ook in sy m##r. Ons kan se wat ons wil maar die top skole soek/trek die top kinders. As daar goeie kinders is wat hulle wil he sal hulle ‘n plan maak. Om te dink hulle doen dit nie is belaglik. Ek het al in Pretoria vir ‘n stoei seun wie se ouers Vrystaat toe getrek het ‘n beurs gekry by ‘n gewone skool wat geen rede het om vir enige kind ‘n beurs te gee nie. Ek twyfel ook baie sterk of hulle enige beurse gee. Maar met mooi praat sal mense help.

    Wat my egter pla is dat seuns 1500 km van hulle ouers moet skool gaan. As die kind self nog altyd dit wou doen is dit seker anders. Mens wonder tog as die skool so gesog is hoekom kinders van die kaap vat as daar net so baie kinders daar bo is wat na die skole wil gaan. Ek weet ek krap dalk waar ek nie moet nie maar ek sou graag wou weet hoeveel kinders van die kaap wat daar in stap nie blank is. Dalk kan julle vir ons die syfers gee? Want soos vroeer genoem was Laerskool Florida se kaapsekorps almal nie blank.

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  190. Ek het vandag bietjie die o/13 cravenweek gaan kyk. Ek moet se die kwaliteit en vaardighede was maar swak. More speel WP en KZN in die “finaal” as ek dit reg het. WP en die BB het vandag hulle bes probeer om te verloor maar die BB het dit beter reg gekry as die WP. Ter versagting albei spanne lyk my sit met baie beserings. WP se 10, 12 en 13 is na die eerste twee dae al uit, so dalk het KZN ‘n kans? Die BB se 8 het vleuel gespeel maar ek moet se daai knaap het wiele. Die BB kan hulle self egter skop, as daai seuns net wou pass was hulle dalk more in die finaal. Ek het lanklaas ‘n span gesien wat so baie overlaps kry en dan pass hulle nie. WP 11 – 10 BB. KZN 15 – 14 Valke.

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  191. @Djou: Soos Quagga vir jou mooi verduidelik het doen sommige ouers aansoek vir finasieele ondersteuning. Dit is dan hoe hulle ondesteuning kry. Jy kan blykbaar ook nie lees nie. Of dan verstaan nie. As jou vriend se kind n beurs het is hy dalk die persoon wat vir jou lieg. Smaak my almal lieg vir jou. Of as hy dan so n goeie vriend is hoekom vra jy hom dan nie self nie?

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  192. @stier…klink vir my jy het self 1500km getrek nou kla jy oor skool kinders wat trek en van skole wissel….dit is dood normaal en gebeur al vir dekades lank….. Doen jouself n guns en gaan kyk hoeveel Garsies in die Super Rugby,SA o/20 ,Blou Bul o/19,o/16 spanne opgeneem is ….. Of jy dit nou wil glo of nie die seuns wil regtig Garsies toe kom…..Curro het selfs ons vorige hoof ook 1500km ver laat trek Kaap toe om hulle skool daar in die Kaap te bestuur as jy dit nie geweet het nie… Gun ons asb ook n plekkie in die son….geniet HJS en Affies en los ons skool uit ons hoef niks aan jou te verduidelik nie …

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  193. @Djou: Ek lees nou die ding. Dit pla my want elke maand moet ek raap en skraap. Ek stem saam met @Riempies. Die mense het seker aansoek gedoen om ondersteuning en dis toegestaan.

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  194. @Bere007: Julle raak te kwaad, as kinders garsies toe wil gaan het ek geen probleem daarmee nie en garsies is nog relatief jonk en julle het al baie bereik. Ek stry nie daaroor of probeer dit ontken nie. Julle moet egter perspektief behou ten opsigte van wat julle al bereik het. Daar is klaar nou erken dat julle hier in die kaap werf ,wat beteken nie al die seuns wat gauteng toe gaan het julle as ‘n opsie never mind eerste opsie oorweeg nie. Ek wonder maar net hoekom kinders van so ver werf, as daar talent baie nader aan julle is? Soos jy se julle hoef my nie te antwoord nie maar as julle antwoord wees eerlik en se hoekom die manne hier onder so gesoek word.

    Jy is reg ek het kaap toe getrek, en julle hoof ook maar nie ek, en ek glo hy ook, het ons gesinne daar gelos nie. Ek weet nie van hom nie maar my vrou is te mooi om haar daar te los, my kinders dalk ,veral soos die outste deesdae eet.

    Ek het by baie laerskole in Pretoria afgerig, Garsfontein, Hennopspark, Wierdapark, Rooihuiskraal, Uitsig, Louis Leipoldt ens. Al daai skole behalwe vir Uitsig het oor ‘n duisend kinders gehaad, ek dink Hennops met graad r staan al hier naby 1700 kinders. Verder in 2010 het al die Laerskole in Centurion saam, net onder die 18000 kinders gehaad. Kom ons se die helfte is seuns hoeveel rugby spanne kan hulle volmaak? Dan praat ons nie eers van Stefanis Roos, Wonderboom, Elarduspark, Constantiapark ens ens…Ja ek weet van die skole soos Fleur, Doornkloof en ander het verander en rugby is dalk nie meer die groot sport nie maar steeds daar is baie groot laerskole waar rugby nog groot is. Kyk na Uitsig ek kan nou nie hulle rugby coach se naam onthou nie maar daai man het baie gedoen om nie blanke o/13 BB spelers op te lewer. Wat word gedoen om daai talent te ontwikkel? Maar dit begin by baie plekke so raak.

    Wat my pla is dat ek dink skole jaag baie keer talent en besef nie altyd wat dit beteken nie. Hulle mis ook partykeer die kinders reg by hulle. In ons land voel dit vir my of almal talent soek maar niemand wil dit ontwikkel nie. En ek wys nou na ons almal. Dit is so stupid, talent beteken niks, al wat dit is is ‘n voorsprong as jy begin dit is al.

    My seun maak hierdie jaar klaar met laerskool en glo my al sy tjommas hier en in Pretoria praat net oor volgende jaar en waar hulle skool toe gaan. Van al die skole waar sy tjommas heen gaan het nog net Affies nie vir een van hulle ‘n “helpende hand” of wat ook al aangebied nie.

    Ouens hier kan se ek lieg maar dit is hulle probleem. Hier is manne op hierdie blog wat of lieg of baie minder weet as wat hulle voorgee. En vir die wat kwaad is, sorry ek is maar net bekomerd oor hoe ons in hierdie land met ons rugby spelers/kinders werk.

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  195. @Grasshopper: Best of luck in the UK Hopper. I think the UK can be a wonderful place to stay, especially with a UK passport. Peace and happiness to you and your young family.

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  196. @Stier: Louis Leipoldt….? Dan moet ek jou ken… ek het n hele paar jaar daar die 1ste span afgerig in die 90s… Sal baie graag wil weet wie jy is… Louis Leipoldt het in my dae 750 kinders gehad maar ons rugby was baie sterk… Die skool is na aan my hart…

    Dit wil my voorkom asof jy iewers te nagekom is deur iemand, dalk garsies… Ek moet eerlik wees ek het nie rerig die lus om weer die hele debat te voor oor ons kaapse projek en al die redes daarvoor nie. Ek sê dit met die grootste respek. So paar sakies waarvan jy egter moet kennis neem:

    Eerstens ken jy my nie, ook nie die mense wat garsies se rugby dryf nie en ek dink dis ongevraagd om heeltyd te verwys na ons oneerlikheid. Ek dink nie jy het enige reg om ons integriteit in twyfel te trek nie.

    Wat ek wel vir jou wil sê is dat nie een skool in pretoria behalwe affies (wat nie teen ons wil rugby speel) en pta boys high kan vir ons wedstryde vir al ons spanne gee nie. Ons rugby het geweldig gegroei oor die laaste 5 jaar. Ons ontwikkel ons talent! Dalk was jy nog in pretoria toe die “ou” garsfontein bestaan het, maar die skool het heeltemal verander.

    Nadat garsies met 103 – 0 teen waterkloof verloor het in 2010 het ons besluit dit sal nooit weer gebeur nie en ons het dan ook besluit om vuur met vuur te begin veg en ook te doen wat die ander top skole doen. Ons moes iewers begin en die kaap het so oormaat talent gehad dat daar heelwat talentvolle seuns daar vir rugby verlore gegaan het. Ons het toe in 2011 daar gewerf en vir seuns uit die kaap, uit klein skooltjies met swak toestande geleenthede gebied. Van daai seuns speel vandag super rugby en curriecup danksy garsfontein. In die kaap het hulle geen provinsiale span gehaal nie…

    Die hele projek was begin vir rugby en het weldoeners van buite die skool wat dit borg. Elke liewe seun wat deur ons n geleentheid gekry het is baie dankbaar en tevrede. As jy sien en weet waar van die kinders vandaan kom sal jy dan ook verstaan dat garsies vir hulle n reddingsboei was vir akademie en sport asook om deure na skool oop te maak. Dit was ons projek. Skiet ons daarvoor as jy wil. Kritiseer dit soos jy goeddink. Dit bly ons projek en ons manier om kinders geleenthede te gee. Ons hoef aan niemand te verantwoord nie en aan niemand te verduidelik nie. Soos ek reeds genoem het is daar baie ander seuns wat ook in ons koshuis is en al rede hoekom ons kaapse seuns so baie mense pla is oor hulle velkleur. Dit pla ons glad nie. Dis ‘n kind en ‘n leerder van hoërskool garsfontein.

    Een laaste opmerking: Omdat garsfontein onder die seuns wat by ons was n goeie reputasie opgebou het, hoor ander seuns daarvan in die kaap. Daarom kry ons gereeld aansoeke daarvan af dat kinders na ons toe wil kom. Ek glo jy kan dit verstaan.

    Ek hoop rerig dit het jou vrae geantwoord. Ek dink dat die hele saak irriteer nou al die ander bloggers… Dis al verskeie kere deurgetrap…

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  197. @Rugbyman. Nou het ek respek vir jou gekry. Eerste keer in jare dat jy dit reguit sê. Djou moet net regkom. Daar was nooit vir my ‘n probleem dat julle ons kinders “‘n beter geleentheid gee nie”, maar hoe jy dit in die verlede gestel het was verkeerd. Vir julle om kinders by HJS se onder 15 toernooi en Gim se onder 16 toernooi te soek en die aggresiewe agente kontak het ek nie ‘n probleem nie. Net soos van ons ander kinders deur Gim en HJS jaarliks opgeraap word ontken hulle ook die ware toedrag van sake. Ek hoop hulle speel eerlik soos jy. Dit is al. Nou hoekom gaan ons kinders dan weg – ons het nie die geld om hulle te hou nie – uit en gedaan. Sterkte Rugbyman

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  198. @Vra maar net: Ai… ek was al van die begin af eerlik… ons het dit nog nooit weggesteek nie… dis hoekom ek al male sonder tal gesê het die gesprek en debat is al gevoer al in 2011 en 2012…

    Net een punt van orde. Ons werf nie by die rugbyweke waarna jy verwys nie en gebruik geen agente nie. Ons sal ook nooit n kind aanvaar uit die top rugbyskole nie… ek is nie seker van watter skool jy is nie.maar ek vermoed jys van tygerberg? Die meeste van ons seuns kom van die bolandse platteland en meeste van hulle is al van graad 8 af by ons… Atlantis, Mamre ensovoorts is plekke waar baie van hulle vandaan kom – daar waar niemand hulle ooit sou raaksien nie…

    Nou het ek hopelik klaar verduidelik vir al die nuwer bloggers…

    Net een laaste puntjie… ons het 15 seuns van die kaap in ons koshuis, nie soos die braaivleis praatjies ‘n koshuis vol nie…

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  199. @Rugbyman Sorry dat ek weer antwoord. Weer verkeerd. Ons twee manne wat vir julle en Blou Bulle speel is eerste keer gewerf op Gim se onder 16 toernooi deur agent Greeff. Hulle is deur hom en julle onder 16 afrigters geidentifiseer en genader. Toevallig is 5 spelers genader en net 2 het gebyt. Ek het geen probleem daarmee nie – vertel net die regte storie. Kom ons laat dit daar want ek kan nog baie riller stories oor werwing gesels

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  200. @Vra maar net: Jong ja… ons het geen verbintennis met agent greeff nie… die manne waarna jy verwys is op n ander plek geidentifiseer… maar kom ons laat dit dan daar soos jy sê

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  201. @Rugbyman: Dit is juis die probleem wat ek het. Daai braai gaan nooit gebeur nie so ons mis nou al die braaivleis praatjies?

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  202. @Hooit: Did see your predictions for CW. What about AW? Man ons braai! Die wat met mekaar wil kerm kan dit dan ma op ander plek gaan doen.

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  203. @BrotherBear: Ek stem saam met wat jy hierbo gese het oor krag teen krag op CW. Ek dink groot unies het soveel talentvolle spelers dat dit soms slegs gaan oor watter skool jy in is of jy CW of AW span is. Voor ek gekruisig word se ek soms! Ek dink so byvoorbeeld as jy die Lions CW en AW spanne teen mekaar moet speel gaan jy moeilik n wenner voor die tyd kies. In WP miskien dieselfde geval. Dit sal interesant wees om die resultate van twee spanne van selfde unie met mekaar te vergelyk. Ek hoop dat SA Skole keurders na albei spanne CW en AW se spelers kyk en nie net by CW spanne vasgenaal sit nie.
    Kom ons kyk maar. :mrgreen:

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  204. Dankie rugbyman, sorry ek was nie in 2011 en 2012 hier nie. Dit is die eerste keer in hierdie hele debat dat iemand ‘n redelike verduideliking gee van wat julle doen. En onthou djou het sy speelgoed gegooi toe ek ‘n foutiewelike verklaring gemaak het. My bron se skool het self geld by die Bulle gekry en die ou was selfs een jaar die BB se cw span se bestuurder.

    Eerstens ek rig nie rugby af nie. So ek dink nie jy sal my ken nie. Ek het eers in 2009 by LL begin. Dit was net ‘n paar jaar voor Mr. Fourie wat ek dink ook die eerste span rugby afgerig het Bakenkop toe is om daar oor te neem as hoof. Terloops nog ‘n goeie onnie daai, hy het Bakenkop letterlik binne maande heeltemal verander.

    Ek is in sport betrokke in suid afrika so ja ek is al baie te na gekom. Maar nie deur enige skool nie, die skole en hulle ouers, insluitend Laerskool Garsfontein was nog altyd net akkomoderend as mens eers daar in is. Om in te kom is nie maklik nie maar dit verstaan mens ouens wil allerande nonsense aan hulle afsmeer.

    As ek reg onthou het ek net in my laste par post verwys na oneerlikheid van “julle” kant af maar dit sou eintlik net djou wees. Sy stories en jou storie het baie gewissel by tye so daarom die stelling. Ek dink nie ek het gese alle garsies lieg nie en as ek het was dit nie my bedoeling nie. Ek het verwys na dinge wat gese is gedurende hierdie debat op hierdie forum. Ek kom wel agter dat julle baie gevoelig is oor die saak. En julle reaksies is ongelukkig die ding wat my laat wonder. Miskien is dit ‘n Gauteng ding van ons, gister toe ek vir een van die BB afrigters wat buy te way in die biertuin staan kort nadat hulle verloor het vra of daar enige Hennops kinders in hulle span is toe raak die man ongeskik, my seun vra vir my toe ons daar wegstap, pa hoekom is daai oom so onbeskof? Ek weet Gauteng is rof maar julle moet relax ek was ook so maar nou chill ek hier in die kaap, lekker man, lekker. Julle se julle worry nie en julle hoef nie te verduidelik nie maar dan gooi julle?

    Wat julle gedoen het na 100+ is awesome en almal veral Mmvovo se skool moet daai houding he. ‘n Houding van ons gaan iets doen en dinge verander om ons standaard te lig. En daar is nou my punt, maak nie saak hoe eerbaar julle bedoelings is nie, is dit die regte manier om dit te doen of is Garsies se sukses die belangrikste? Rugby ontwikkeling moet op laerskool vlak gedryf word en groot rugby skole moet in hulle plaaslike gemeenskape help om die laerskole sterker te kry. Garsies sal nooit ‘n sterk rugby tradisie binne sy gemeesnkap hou as die meeste van sy rugby krag nie van sy die gemeenskap kom nie. Stellenberg is besig om hier in die kaap lekker te groei en hulle gaan jaag nie laaitjies van gauteng nie. Ek weet van WP laaitjies wat HJS toe sou gaan wat nou stellies toe gaan. Het julle nie talent in PTA nie? Sorry dit maak nie sin nie. Miskien dink julle bruin spelers sal makliker daarbo BB kry? Dit sal ook baie goedkoper wees om kinders in PTA te help. Daar was baie nie blanke spelers by Uitsig. Of is die taal ding die probleem? Hier kan julle nie blanke spelers kry en hulle praat Afrikaans? Laaste ding hoeveel ouens op hierdie blog sal hulle kinders 1500 km stuur na ‘n skool waar hy self nie skool gegaan het nie? Dink mooi sal jy of djou dit doen?

    Lekker dag gaan nou reg maak vir vannaand se braai.

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  205. @Riempies: Ek weet daar was laasjaar o18 en o16 akademie span spelers raakgesien wat geleenthede gekry het. Weet nie hoe hierdiejaar gaan werk met albei wat gelyktydig speel nie. Moet sê ek dink as jy na spelers van kleur gaan kyk is die Leeus in n goeie posisie met hulle CW span. Kes, Jeppe, Bennies ens doen baie goeie werk met speler ontwikkeling. Dink die Leeus kan goed voel oor hulle meestal eie talent ontwikkel en gebruik. Is hierdie jaar beindruk met die CW span se voorbereiding. Leeus kyk baie goed na hul seuns. As CW nie goed gaan nie kan voorbereiding nie n verskoning wees nie. Hoop die AW span is ook reg. Nou te laat om nog iets te doen. Tyd dat die manne op die veld nou wys.

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  206. @Stier: Jy is meer as geregtig op jou opinie… soos ek gesê het ek gaan nie debateer nie…

    Ek was baie lank voor jou tyd by Louis Leipoldt betrokke…

    Lekker dag

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  207. @Hooit: Die probleem in ons land is, almal is bang hulle spelers word “gesteel”, in my sport is dit dieselfde, niemand wil iets doen as ‘n ander ou ook daarby gaan of kan baat vind nie so nou doen niemand niks. En omdat niemand iets doen nie nou moet almal “steel”? Al hierdie groot rugby skole in ons land wat praat van meer as net rugby, hulle waardes ens, ens, wat doen hulle om hulle gemeenskappe om hulle te ontwikkel? Hoeveel van hulle help die laerskole om hulle om hulle rugby te verbeter? Is dit hulle plig? Of koop en werf en nooi mens net uit as jy eers daar bo is en dit bevorder en bou dan rugby in ons land? Moenie worry nie djou en rugbyman ek praat hier van al die groot skole.

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  208. @Hooit: Nou waaarom is die braai dan af? Dink daar kan lekker gesels word. Manne wat wil fight moet net vroeg waarsku sodat ons kan reel vir bouncers en hulle moet maar wapens by die huis los. As jou vrou (of man) ‘n wapen is, bring haar maar saam – daar is mos ‘n biertuin – hehehe.

    @Djou, sal ook welkom wees by die kuier, MAAR dan mag hy nie na die Kaapse of Noord-Kaapse stories luister nie. Hy gaan sy cool verloor en se al die by-lasse is lieg. Hy mag wel ook stories vertel, maar dan net indien hulle nie dieselfde tema aanhoudend herhaal nie.

    Sorry, dis net voorstelle, daar is geen reels by ‘n lekker kuier nie.

    @Rugbyman: Gaan Kearsney jou sien volgende week? Sal graag wil bladskud en “truce” verklaar – waarskynlik einde van week daar.

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  209. @Stier: Moet darem ook byvoeg meeste laerskole wil geen inmenging van hoërskole hê nie…

    Jammer oor jou ervaring van die bulle cravenweek afrigter… die blou bulle laerskole is so bietjie van ‘n mafia met nogal ‘n hoë dink van hulself…

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  210. @Stier: Jy moet onthou dat soos jyself gesê het garsies nie as ‘n rugby skool gesien was tot so 3 tot 4 jaar terug nie… rede was eenvoudig, as jy nie in kloof of affies was nie sou jy geen provinsiale span gehaal het nie… dus het die kinders in ons gemeenskap na ander skole gery… ons moes en het dit verander… ons o14s hierdie jaar is 90% plaaslik en top 5 in die land… ons moes drasties optree en dit begin nou vrugte afwerk… Nou kan seuns uit ons gemeenskap garsies toe kom en baie goeie geleenthede kry om kompeterend twen die sterkste rugby skole in die land deel te neem…

    Ter inligting: Stellenberg het by ons kom kers opsteek oor hoe ons die proses gedryf het…

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  211. @Rugbyman: Waar is die game op die 23e? Sal maar moet skud na die wedstryd – wen of verloor – hehehe

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  212. @Rugbyman: Dit is die probleem met al die provinsies, as jou kind nie in sekere skole is nie is sy kanse om iewers te kom met rugby skraal. Ek dink laerskool rugby is nog erger. As jou skool nie ‘n keurder of coach by die provinsie het nie gaan jy baie moeilik cw sien. Verlede jaar het Gene Louw almal hier in die kaap dom gespeel. Wildeklawer en Marlow kon niemand hulle stop nie. Marlow het hulle in die finaal vir Klein Grey PE 29-0 teen rustyd al gerol en toe kom ‘n groot reen storm. Die game is toe gestop, gelukkig vir Grey. Ek dink daai spanhet die hele jaar net been game verloor. Net twee seuns van daai Gene Louw span het op Witrivier verlede jaar cw gespeel. Daai selfde span het onder 12 iets soos 6 WP spelers gehad. Raai op water ouderdom group het Gene Louw ‘n keurder/ coach gehad?

    Ek wens net SARU en die unies wil ophou mors met ons talent en begin om eerder die sport te groei en die kwaliteit te verbeter. Ek is mal oor sport en dit maak my ongelukkig as ek sien hoe stupid ons kan wees met ons talent. Ek is oortuig as ons mekaar meer help en minder baklei sal ons NZ laat lyk na ‘n klomp moegoes.

    Ek weet die laerskole wil nie voorgeskryf word nie. Dit is ‘n groot probleem en om dit te verander sal nie maklik wees nie maar moet iemand dit nie doen nie? Of kan ons maar aan pik soos altyd?

    Ek het jare gelede al gesien dinge in Pretoria gaan skeef loop. Die laerskole het te groot geword en die kinders kan nie meer almal gehelp word nie. As ek ‘n voorbeeld kan gee. My seun se skool was aanvangklik gebou vir ongeveer 900 kinders toe my seun daar was toe staan hulle al op 1600. Hulle het twee rugby velde, eintlik net een maar hulle het die veld verdeel en twee kleiner velde gemaak. In my seun se graad was daar altyd hier by die 110 seuns. Sy laaste jaar van rip rugby “o/8” was daar vyf spanne elk met gemiddeld 11 of 12 kinders. O/9 begin die skool rugby toe of 15 man rugby, a.g.v. die felt dat hulle nie genoeg mans onies het nie was daar net ‘n a en b span. Dit beteken dat minder as 30% van die seuns in sy skool van o/9 af kon rugby speel. Ouers het gaan vra of hulle nie kan help met coaching of wat ook al sodat nog ‘n span per ouderdom kan speel nie. Die antwoord was nee. Ek se nie dit gaan by al die skole so nie maar dink hoeveel laerskool seuns in Pretoria hou dalk op rugby speel net omdat die skole te groot geword get? En as boeta ophou rugby speel gaan klein boetie wil speel?

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  213. Ek voel cw is nice om te he en gee ons iets om oor te praat, maar ek dink ook dit dien eintlik geen doel nie. Ons almal weet hoeveel politiek is betrokke by die kies van spanne. Ek het die laaste twee jaar goed gesien wat my kwaai laat kop krap het. Daar word heeltemal te veel waarde aan cw geheg. Dan wonder mense hoekom so baie cw spelers verdwyn? Maklik want baie van hulle moes nooit daar gewees het nie.

    Dalk sal streeks kompetiesies beter wees en sal baie meer kinders die geleentheid kry om gesien te word deur die groot unies. Mens kan maklik oor ‘n week agt of tien streeks kompetiesies hou en die unies kan manne stuur.

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  214. @Stier: Iemand her genoem hoe groot die laerskole in Pretoria is getalle gewys. Nou die vraag is hou hou jy proewe vir 2000 + rugby seuns van verskillende skole om die beste te kry. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink NZ het minder rugby skole wat beter ontwikkel. Dit is baie makliker om n span uit 6 skole as uit 60 skole te kies.

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  215. @Stier…. Ek dink ons almal deel jou bekommernis….maar dit is vir my baie vreemd dat jy Garsies probeer uitsonder….my seuns was van graad RR tot graad 12 in Garsfontein L & H ……glo my daai “helpende hand” storie van jou dra ongelukkig geen water nie….ek kan vir jou legio gevalle gee van seuns wat al wel deur die jare genader is ….dalk kan jy vir ons ook n paar antwoorde verskaf…. verduidelik asb die rugby skole grense tussen die Boland en die WP en hoekom is dit anders as die ander sport soorte in die Kaap bv Boland Landbou is WP maar Stellenbosch is Boland? … Wat is volgens jou die verskil tussen n seun van Atlantis is Garsies se koshuis en n seun van Nelspuit in Affies se koshuis? …onthou ook asb seuns moet afgerig en ontwikkel word om goeie rugby provinsiaal en nasionaal te kan speel….Dink jy nie Rugbyman en die afrigters verdien darem n bietjie krediet vir die ongelooflike werk wat hulle met die seuns doen nie ?…. n seun kom nie net by n skool aan en word n ster nie…. hy moet ontwikkel word….glo my die seuns en hulle ouers in ons koshuis waardeer die ontwikkeling (sport ,akademie en persoonlik) wat hulle by Garsies kry….volgens my behoort kleur in elk geval glad nie n eers genoem te word nie want seuns sien nie kleur hulle sien net maats….

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  216. Cravenweek vir laerskole en Grant Khomo was ‘n reuse sukses.Puik aangebied en rugby van hoë standaard by albei groepe.Bulle se 016 span was puik en baie geluk aan die afrigtingspan.Volgens my is SA Rugby op juniorvlak baie gesond en as daar nie op die boonste vlakke nie resultate is nie, kan die skole sisteem verseker nie blameer word nie.

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  217. @Bere007: Dit is die hele punt as jy goeie afrigters het kan jy enige kind wat die regte houding het ontwikkel tot ‘n top atleet. Jy kan die kinders naaste aan jou gebruik en dit gaan nie saak maak nie.
    Jy hoef nie kinders van buite jou provinsie te werf nie.

    Moenie worry nie rugbyman het mooi verduidelik hoe hulle te werk gegaan het en hoekom hulle dit so gedoen het. Hy het ook genoem dat die plaaslike manne nou ook gaan baat en dit is baie goed vir julle en die Bulle en SA. Kom ons hoop net hulle gaan nou nog meer skole soos Stellies help om ook so te maak. En meer belangrik hoop ek hulle kan die laerskole in Pretoria help om meer te doen vir die rugby.

    Die Boland WP ding maak vir my niks sin nie. Ek weet hoekom WP nie Stellenbosch en Paarl wil los nie want dit sal hulle baie verswak veral op skole vlak. Die o/13 WP span het vandag die finaal teen kzn gewen en ek dink meer as die helfte van die WP span was van die “WP plateland” ( Paarl, Stellenbosch en Strand/Somersetwes).

    Alle krediet aan hulle en ek ken hulle nie maar ek is mal oor mense wat iets uit niks uit bou, solank dit nie gedoen word ten koste van ander nie. Dit het ek ook al baie gesien dat mense met ander mense se kallers ploeg.

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  218. @Stier: @Rugbyrealis: @Bere007: Paarl and Stellenbosch schools is a product of Doc Craven’s legacy. With Maties sitting in Stellies he was’nt interested in it being part of the Boland setup. As administrator he made boundaries to suit his wishes. Hence in cricket and other sports being part of Boland. Moving forward the Boland area is huge and many schools are represented in Boland. I doubt they want the Big 4 to join Boland league. Let’s be honest here we talking about Paul Roos, Boland Landbou, Paarl Gim and Boishaai. Currently Labore is part of Boland league and they are smack bang in the middle of Paarl. It might have been the schools choice to be part of the Boland league. I know in hockey they have Northern and Southern suburbs leagues and same with Athletics. I don’t know if WP would be happy to let the Big 4 be part of Boland. In Cape Town The Northern suburbs (Belleville, Durbanville and Brackenfell) and the Strand area produce huge amount of players a year that league in primary school level is tough.

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  219. @odie15… Thank you for clarifying that anomaly….
    @Stier……gesonde kompetisie maak jou rugby net sterker … Vra maar vir die All Blacks ….ek stel nie heeltemal saam hier mee nie maar kom ek stel jou gou gerus oor die plaaslike talent as jy dit so wil noem waaroor jy so bekommerd is…Lourens en Johan speel Goue Leeus….Jan-Henning en Franco ,SA o/20…Le Roux is gekontreakteer deur Racing Metro….dan is daar nog baie seuns by 0/19 en 0/16 Blou Bulle spanne/toernooie…Bees was voorspeler van die week by Potch en hou vir Ryno en n paar ander manne dop by die o/19 toernooi…. Die lank en die kort is plaaslike seuns trek ook voordeel en word ook ontwikkel omdat jy gesonde kompetisie en goeie afrigters het ….jy het ongelukkig nie my ander vrae geantwoord nie want ek weet dit gaan oor die heilige koei wat niemand meer oor wil praat nie en ek stel in elke gaval ook nie belang om meer daaroor te praat nie….die golf roep nou

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  220. @Stier: Ongelukkig lees jy nie ja!
    Hier is ‘n paar voorbeelde en beskrywing.
    Ons het ouens soos BoishaaiPa en Ploegskaar leer ken as ouens met integriteit. Ons stem nie noodwendig saam met BoishaaiPa se manier waarop hy die top 20-bereken nie, maar hy het mdie werklike inligting. En Ploegskaar het al mooi verduidelik dat alle skole werf en hoe die manier van befondsing werk. Dit verskil van skool tot skool, maar dit is ‘n feit dat alle skole beurse gee – net die manier van finansiering verskil. So, vind eerder by BoishaaiPa uit hoe die spesifieke gevalle werk dan sal jy die waarheid kry.
    My en Rugbman se stories kan nie wisselvallig wees nie want ons het van die begin af saamgewerk. Ons is wel moeg vir ouens om op die blog een of ander braaivleisstorie te kom kwytraak en dit verder te versprei. Dit is dus nie liggeraaktheid nie, maar gatvolheid.
    En soos hoeveel keer al verduidelik het die skool se BL in 2010 besluit die skool moet transformeer – van akademie tot sport, en dit beteken transformasie op alle gebiede met die einddoel dat die vlak van uitnemendheid verhoog. Dit het die vestiging en inwerkingstelling van verskeie nuwe strukture en bedryfsplanne geverg. En toe begin dit werk want die skool se akademie styg uit en so ook sportspanne.
    Presies toe begin die mense kla en braaivleisstories versprei. Die ergste was toe Affies se hoof in die Beeld leuens vertel het oor Garsies se rugby en die seuns beledig het – en hy en Affies besef steeds tot vandag toe nie hoe seer dit die Garsfonteingemeenskap gemaak het nie. Veral omdat hy ‘n persoon van aansien was. Interessant dat dit gebeur het in die week na Garsies vir Waterkloof met 44-19 geklop het terwyl Affies self ver teen Waterkloof verloor het.
    Nietemin, Garsies het van die begin af dit duidelik gestel dat hulle gaan begin werf. En hoe werf jy in jou eie gemeenskap as die kinders verby jou skool ry na Waterkloof, Menlopark en Affies. So, daar is besluit om buite die skool se grense te werf – ook in ooreenstemming met die transformasiebeginsel is besluit om seuns met talent wat min van ‘n toekoms het ‘n kans te gee. En nee, dit is nie net seuns van kleur nie (kyk na Bere 007 se skrywe hierbo).
    En soos Rugbyman verduidelik het, die seuns ry nie meer verby die skool nie (daar is nog hier en daar een of twee). En daar is soos ek gesê het letterlik 100e oproepe en e-posse van ouers wat nou navraag doen om hul kinders by Garsies in te skryf – sonder dat die skool hulle genader het. En dit wissel van akademiese- tot sportredes. En daar is nou waglyste!
    Al wat die skool wou gehad het is dat die seuns in die omgewing Garsies toe kom – en dit het ‘n proses geverg soos verduidelik – waarna werwing buite die skool se grense minder sou word. En soos Rugbyman noem was die proses suksesvol want Garsies was verlede jaar suksesvol om meeste van die laerskole in die omgewing se o.13’s te werf en vanjaar se o.14’s is een van die topspanne in SA.
    Daar is dus geen wisselvalligheid in ons stories nie – en ek raak moeg vir ouens soos BrotherBear wat dit goeddink om gereeld een of ander leuen oor Garsies hier te versprei (wat enersyds onbegryplik is waarom ‘n persoon dit wil doen en andersyds ook onbegryplik waarom ouens soos jy daarna inspring om dit verder toe voer). En na BrotherBear een keer gesê het hy is jammer – en almal vergewe hom en dink als is OK – begin hy maar net weer.
    @Hooit @Riempies: Soos alle skole sal Helpies baie welkom wees by Garsies en ‘n hartlike ontvangs kry en hopelik sal die skole as groter vriende uiteengaan. Vriendskapsbande is belangriker as ‘n wen. Ons sal nooit Helpies beoordeel op grond van een persoon se agenda nie.

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  221. @Riempies: Ek dink jy moet dalk weer lees. Ek het duidelik gestel hy kan dit bekostig – en nee hy lieg nie, anders sou sy kind nie in Helpies gewees het nie en hy nie elke skooldag so ver hoef te gery het nie. Smaak my julle weet nie alles van jul skool af nie.

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  222. @Djou: bly om te sien my favourite Garsie is vars en op die been op hierdie pragtige Saterdag oggend.
    Kan ek maar kom handskud op die 23e? Jy sal my maklik herken, ek dra gewoonlik ‘n wit Helpmekaar ondersteuner hoed en baadjie.

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  223. Lyk vir my of ek maar eerder weer n politieke gesprek hier moet begin, in n poging om die vrede te herstel. As julle dan moet baklei, dan vind ek die Noord-Suid provinsiale handsakgevegte, die interessantste. Daarna die KZN interne toernooi. Vir my altyd verstommend hoe die Sentrale gebied sy neus skoonhou in hierdie debat. :mrgreen:

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  224. @BOG: Interessant genoeg, ek het jou sienings verfrissend gevind – die waarheid maak soms seer! Die probleem waarom mense mekaar nie kan vind nie is omdat elkeen gewoonlik bietjie reg is maar die ander party ignoreer die bietjie omdat die beginsel oor ‘n wye kam geskeer word. Ek dink meeste van ons wil alles net laat werk, maar die bril waardeur ons kyk verskil en gevolglik gaan die metodes verskil.
    Kyk maar nou na die manier waarop die studente die taaldebat by UP hanteer. Hulle weier botweg om ‘n greintjie waarheid aan die ander kant te respekteer en Frantz Fanon is hul hero. Revolusionêre oplossings is al wat hulle pas en daarmee saam geweld. Vreedsame gesprekke is nie wat hulle wil hê nie!

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  225. @BOG: Jy weet mos die sentrale streek het hul gevegte gehad. Dit was altyd die ander skole teen Grey wanneer dit gekom het by die kies van Cravenweekspanne. En toe word die ander skole se manne tot die keurpaneel verkies. En wat gebeur, die Greyspelers word steeds gekies. Nou is daar niks om oor te stry nie!

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  226. @Djou: Ja, ek weet van die kapperjolle in die Vlaktes, maar soos met n goeie huwelik, hou hulle die verskille in die “slaapkamer”, rugbygewys natuurlik.Ja, ou Frantz Fanon het al baie miljoene se breins vernietig, onomkeerbaar lyk dit vir my- amper so veel as Carl Jung, Wundt en Siegmund Freud saam. En natuurlik, staan ons weer op die drumpel van CW, waar helfte van die spanne sal moet meeding, maar met hulle skoenveters aan mekaar vasgebind. En daar le die ironie natuurlik. Was dit nie vir hierdie maatskaplike ingenieurswese van regeringskant nie, sou die gesprek wat julle hiebo gehad het, waarskynlik gladnie plaasgevind het nie.

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  227. @Bere007: @djou. Julle manne moet relax nie alle stellings is op garsies gemik nie. Vat ‘n branna saam met daai 3:15 golf game so in die winter?

    Die laerskole in pta se rugby is baie swak, selfs rugbyman en djou het dit bevestig. Die feit dat hulle talent in die kaap kom soek het. As jy nie uit 18000 laerskool kinders in Centurion nie genoeg talent kan kry vir jou skool nie, selfs nadat die top ouens Affies en waterkloof toe is nie, dan is daar ‘n groot probleem. Wie weet hoeveel duisende sit daar dan nog in die res van Pretoria. En van hulle is kom arm en sal hull waardeer. As julle se julle het regtig alles probeer in pta maar niemand wou kom nie dan moet ek dit so aanvaar. Rugbyman het verduidelik hoekom en wat julle gedoen het ek dink dit was gedoen as ‘n vinnige en makliker opsie. En nie die kinders in Atlantis of Pretoria Wes se belang is bo die van die skool se rugby gesit nie, dit is nou ook erken.

    Wat ek ook nie verstaan nie is as die coaching so goed is hoekom is die talent so belangrik? Dit is nog altyd my punt, in SA dink ons talent is alles, en dit is nie. Hoeveel o/13 cw spelers maak die o/18 span as hulle ouer is? Ons almal weet bitter min maak dit weer maar steeds gebruik skole cravenweek om talent te soek. Dink self hoeveel o/18 cw spelers maak dit nie verder nie?

    Talent op onder 13 vlak soek is baie gevaarlik, jy het geen idee eers hoe die kind se liggaam gaan ontwikkel nie. Ek wonder hoeveel geld en tyd al gemors is om talent te scout en dan speel die kind nie eers in matriek eerste span nie, never mind provinsiaal. Of scout julle eers as die kinders ouer is?

    Soos ek reeds gese het dit maak nie saak waar ‘n kind skool gaan nie of dit nou Affies of julle is solank hy daar wou gewees het. As ‘n kind egter gewerf word en gelok word deur beloftes aan hom en sy ouers te maak veral as die mense nie wel af is nie? Nee dit is iets anders. Maar net ‘n uitnodiging en hy kom, geen probleem.

    En transformasie is nie om ‘n nie blanke kind in ‘n wit skool te sit nie. Transformasie is om daan nie blanke kind se skool te help om net sulke goeie coaching soos julle te he. En daar le die rede hoekom ons nooit rugby sal transformeer nie. Gaan kyk by laerskool Uitsig en Sutherland High dit is transformasie.

    Garsies het hulle program soos jy se en dit het gewerk en was suksesvol vir hulle. Geniet die sukses en dit lyk of dit nou ‘n verskil gaan maak in die kinders se lewens daar in Garsfontein woongebied. Of gaan die kinders wat altyd Affies en Waterkloof toe gegaan het nou dalk net Garsies toe gaan? Het julle program garsies gehelp of het julle ook die speler pool in Pretoria vergroot? As julle meer moeite gedoen het om in PTA te scout sou julle nie dieselfde kom behaal het nie?

    Soos ek se geniet julle sukses maar ek sou dit anders probeer het. Of my plan sal werk sal ons nooit weet nie.

    Lekker golf speel.

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  228. @Stier: Jy verstaan duidelik nie transformasie nie. Vir jou gaan dit oor ras waar dit duidelik baie wyer is.

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  229. @Djou: Ek is nie by enige een skool betrokke nie maar by baie. So waai een praat jy van?

    So verduidelik jy dan transformasie sodat ek ook kan verstaan. Ek luister graag. SASCOC dink duidelik dit gaan oor ras. Ons hoof afrigter en president is by ‘n SASCOC vergadering reguit vertel dat as hulle nie die ras kwota reg kry nie SASCOC ons nie meer sal ondersteun as ons athlete in die buiteland gaan deelneem nie.

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  230. @Stier: Net hier reg help met WP u/13 , meer as die helfte van die span is beslis nie uit die Stellenbosch of Paarl nie. Uit die 23 is 8 uit die noordelike voorstede, 5 uit Strand en Gordensbaai en net 5 uit bo genoemde Stellenbosch/Paarl area. Die res uit Suidelike/stad area. Met ander woorde 21% uit die Boland. Die res is almal regte WP.

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  231. @AntonT: By die proewe het Strand , Gordensbaai, Somerset, Stellenbosch en Paarl die WP platteland streek op gemaak.

    Soos ek gese het ek self verstaan nie how die grense werk nie. In die Strand val party sport onder WP en ander weer onder Boland.

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  232. WP o/13 Dante, Keegan, Van Heerden (Lochnerhof, Strand), Janneman (Eikestad, Stellenbosch), Corne (Klein Gim, Paarl), Kunene, Jacques, Ayden, Arendse, Mukabdam, Snyman (Klein Bios, Paarl). Met al die beserings in die agterlyn is Wyade (Somerset West Primary, Somersetwes) ook bygevoeg.

    Strand /Somerset area 4
    Stellenbosch 1
    Paarl 7

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  233. Jammer ek het Jacobs (Laerskool Stellenbosch, Stellenbosch) vergeet. Dit maak dit dan 9 van Paarl/Stellenbosch en 4 van Strand/Somerset.

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  234. @AntonT: @Stier: Boland Rugby union was only established in 1939. WP rugby was already 58 years old. These WP Jerseys were the colours of Malmesbury Rugby Football Club, established in 1881. Malmesbury today is deep inside Boland boundaries. Maties was always part of WP rugby from the start. So when the new union and WP drew up the respective areas Doc Craven was well into his tenure as rugby official in the Cape. Maties/WP relationship will never be broken due to DOC’s passion for his 2 teams he played for. There was a lot of give and take. Obviously in that time the schools were also involved with the boundaries as well. Years ago athletics fell under WP platteland. Cricket still today Brackenfell which is well within WP catchment plays in Boland league. Each sporting code has a different boundary decided by their administrators. But rugby was based on 1 man’s life long passion.

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  235. @Stier: Klink my jys n uitstekende politikus of prokereur… lees net wat jy wil in mense se posts en draai dit dan reguit in jou rigting. Ek was eerlik en reguit met jou en toe verdraai jy my woorde en lees tussen die lyne wat jou pas. Ek het nooit gesê pretoria se laerskool rugby is swak nie… die feit dat jy nog verwys na waterkloof en affies wat die bestes vat wys ook hoe ver agter die tyd jou inligting is. Net so ter inligting, garsfontein het die jaar vir waterkloof met die o14s geklop met meer as 40 punte… dieselfde waterkloof span het teen affies gelykop gespeel… garsfontein se o16s klop ook vir waterkloof gemaklik en daai waterkloof span het vir affies gewen… ek haat dit om wedstryde so te vergelyk maar ek hoop dit staaf my punt. Die bestes gaan nie meer noodwendig waterkloof en affies toe nie! Daai dae is verby…

    Wat ek wel in n kort tydjie van jou geleer het is dat jy nie vertrou kan word nie… die feit dat ek reguit en eerbaar met jou was en jou reaksie daarna was om die minste te sê interessant. Uitsig se rugby? Sê gou vir my… hoe sterk is dit? Hoekom gaan die top sportmanne dan nou nie uitsig toe as dit so wonderlik is nie?

    Jy kritiseer ons afrigting ook… op wat basseer jy die stellings? Ons afrigter werk baie hard so ek dink dis uiters ongevraagd van jou as jy geen feite het nie…

    Hiers vir jou ‘n newsflash… sonder talent op hoërskool vlak en laerskool vlak is jy nerens… mens kan n gemiddelde speler great maak met coaching en n swak speler gemiddeld… maar jy gaan nie ‘n Daniel Carter of Kieran Reed so coach nie… hy word so gebore en dan slyp jy hom reg… anders was ons almal net so jaar of 2 se oefening van hussain bolt af… Garsfontein het vir baie jare probeer om met die kinders wat op daai stadium nie waterkloof en affies toe gaan nie daardie skole te wen. Die wiskunde werk egter nie as jy ‘n 85kg stut teen n 120kg stut speel en ‘n 1.85m slot teen ‘n 2.00m slot in die lynstaan sit nie… nog minder as jy ‘n vleuel het wat 11.5 op die 100m hol teen ‘n vleuel wat 10.5 hol nie… of n senter wat 70kg weeg teen n senter speel wat 95kg weeg nie… dis die realiteit… coaching vat jou net so ver…

    Laaste punt… as jy dink waterkloof en affies “help” nie minder bevooregte kinders nie leef jy in n droom wereld… waterkloof was vir baie jare die baanbrekers in die verband. Net die jaar was affies op die spoor van twee van ons top o16s… dit word wel gedoen dmv ouers maar dit gebeur beslis…

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  236. @Stier: Jy kan maar die definisie van transformasie gaan google. Net omdat die president of wie ookal dit vertolk soos hulle wil beteken nie dat dit transformasie is nie.

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  237. @Stier: Presies wat ek gedink het. Jy het baie te sê oor ander skole maar is te lafhartig om jou eie skool te noem. Is jy bang vir kritiek wat kan volg soos jy dit uitdeel. Indien nie, verklaar dan jou betrokkenheid dan trek ek die stelling van lafhartigheid terug.

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  238. Today I experienced the heat at 11in the morning in Durban. I do not see any rugby player not used to it playing a full 70 minutes of fast paced rugby between 11 and 14 in the day. This is a huge plus on the side of the Sharks team.

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  239. @odie15: Ek gaan nie stry nie maar sover ek weet kom die WP streeptruie van SACS af …daai jare het spanne gewoonlik hulle local span wat truie beskikbaar het se truie gevat…so was die eerste Bokspan geklee in Bishops truie..Blou truie want die meeste spelers het van Bishops gekom. WP het SACS se truie gebruik sover my kennis strek.

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  240. @Rugbyman: Ons ma’s het nie bang kinders groot gemaak nie. Ek dink dit kan en gaan n groot rol speel. As als volgens plan verloop speel ons jul Donderdag en WP Saterdag?

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  241. @odie15: Ek betwyfel of Dok Craven betrokke was by die bepaling van die WP-Boland grense. Na sy studies het hy in 1936 by St Andrews in Grahamstown gaan skoolhou en in 1939 het hy by die Weermag aangesluit en is hy Pretoria toe.

    Hy het eers in 1947 teruggekeer Stellenbosch toe en toe ook net tydelik aangesien sy werk by die Weermag nie afgehandel was nie.

    Ek dink ook ‘n mens kan aanvaar dat die grondwerk vir die tot standkoming van Boland reeds voor 1939 moes plaasgevind het.

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  242. @Rugbyman: Ek het nog nooit garsfontein se afrigting gekritiseer nie. Gaan lees bietjie ek het gese dit is awesome as mense kinders kan coach om hulle beter te maak.

    Dan Carter? Is jy erinstig? Daai manne is once in a generation spelers. Die gemiddelde outjie wat all black / springbok of wat ook al speel het daar gekom deur harde werk en goeie afrigting. En selfs Dan sou niks gewees het as hy net op sy talent staat gemaak het. Hoe weet jy of ‘n o/13 seun een dag 2 meter lank gaan wees? Jy raak nou snaaks. Ek se jou die kinders maak nie garsfontein sterk nie die afrigters doen. Dit is nog die hele tyd my argument selfs oor transformasie. Alle kinders het talent nie almal dieselfde nie maar almal kan gecoach word en as hulle hard werk sal hulle suksesvol kan wees.

    Wat dink jy sal gebeer as garsfontein ‘n gemiddelde coach aanstel? Sal hulle nog steeds wen? Dit is die punt. Hulle kan enige kinders werf en hulle ontwikkel.

    Uitsig het vyf kinders in die BB se o/13 span gehad meer as enige ander skool in Pretoria. Jy hoef my nie te vertrou nie, maar gaan kyk wat in jou eie provinsie aangaan. Geen wonder julle werf in die kaap. Lyk my julle weet meer van kaapse rugby as julle eie dorp se rugby. Weet jy ooit wat in Pretoria op laerskool vlak aangaan?

    Daar is oorgenoeg talent in Pretoria op laerskool vlak vir garsfontein affies waterkloof Menlo en almal.

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  243. @Stier: Daar is baie talent in pretoria… ek praat van uitsig hoërskool, jy duidelik van die laerskool.

    Jy het genoem, sarkasties as ek jou post reg verstaan het: “Wat ek ook nie verstaan nie is as die coaching so goed is hoekom is die talent so belangrik?” As jy nie sarkasties was nie vra ek verskoning…

    Net so terloops is daar behoeftige kinders van pretoria ook in ons skool en in ons koshuis wat ons ook help. Ek hoef nie als aan jou te verduidelik nie…

    Wat laerkool rugby aanbetref is ek redilik op hoogte omdat my kinders in die laerskool is…

    Eks nie presies seker wat jou issue is nie… is dit oor ons werf? Oor ons onder andere kinders vd kaap geleenthede gee? Dalk mis ek iets iewers? Kinders is tog kinders, of staan jy in die pad van n geleentheid vir n kind?

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  244. @BoishaaiPa: Straight from the Bishops site. The Green jersey for Boks was more the work of Heatlie of Bishops not the schools jerseys itself, well as it says his wife chose the wardrobe for teams and it was given by them. Bishops use Oxford colours.

    “Then it also had the great South African rugby personality and thinker of last century ion Barry Heatlie, whose nickname was usually Fairy but also Ox. Heatlie, who helped to found the Old Diocesans’ Union, also formed an Old Diocesans RFC. In forming the old boys’ union he – or rather his wife –had worked out colours. The predominant colour was green. In days when dyeing was the simplest way of getting rugby jerseys, the OD RFC decided to use green – myrtle green.

    Touring teams came to South Africa in 1891, 1896 and 1903. In those days the local union would appoint a captain who would pick a team to represent South Africa and give them jerseys to play in. When Heatlie became captain in 1896 he gave them his club’s jerseys – and South Africa won for the first time. When he was again made captain in 1903 he gave his teams green jerseys again and South Africa won a series for the first time. And so South Africa still plays in green jerseys.In 1903 Gerald Orpen of SACS and two Bishops men, Fairy Heatlie and Biddy Anderson, pushed through a recommendation that the springbok be added to the jersey. It had been intended for 1903 but first came to pass in 1906.”

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  245. @Rugbyman & Djou. Julle moet op agent Greeff se facebookblad gaan kyk. Kyk neem fotos van Garsie afrigters wat glo werf

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  246. @odie15: It was only in 1903 they donned the green jersey for the first time…before that they used the jersey of whatever club/union that hosted the match. The very first test was played at Crusaders ground in Port Elizabeth (St Georges Park) and Crusaders apparently used blue jerseys in those days so it is assumed that the boks wore that same jerseys…they played in white jerseys for the 3rd test at Newlands..presumably Villagers colours. There is a picture of the 1891 Newlands team where you can clearly see they are wearing white jerseys. I got confused re the Bishops OD jersey..it was only introduced by Heatlie in 1903 yes…and it was green.

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  247. @akw: daar bevestig jy myne ook, enige span het ‘n gemiddeld selfs die all blacks. Hulle gemiddeld mag dalk bo ander sin wees maar hulle het nog steed ‘n gemiddeld of hoe? Tensy ek die konsep van gemiddeld verkeerd verstaan, net soos julle konsep van transformasie verskil van die regering sin?

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  248. @Vra maar net: Verstaan mense nog steeds nie dat jy nie bewerings kan maak op sosiale media nie.Ek dink dit is gevaarlik.Die persoon waarna jy verwys wat dit op facebook plaas is uit lyn uit.

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  249. @Rugbyman: Alles het begin by die werwing van kinders in die kaap. Enige kind wat na enige skool wil gaan is sy keuse en dit is reg. Om ‘n kind 1500km van sy huis te vat deur hom te WERF is iets anders. Soos ek reeds gevra het sal jy jou kind ‘n 1500km van die huis wil he as hy nog op skool is? Ek neem aan die antwoord is nee want vroer het niemand die vraag beantwoord nie.

    Soos jy verduidelik het het julle dit in die begin gedoen omdat kinders in PTA se eerste keuse rugby skool nie garsies was nie en hulle eerder Affies of Waterkloof gekies het. So die kinders in die kaap is gewerf vir hulle rugby nie om garsies se wiskunde standard te lig nie.

    Baie skole daar in gauteng werf of kom help arm kinders in die kaap. Soos reeds genoem is,is daar heelwat kaapse kinders in Laerskool Florida se o/13 a span. Dink jy laerskool kinders moet al gewerf of gehelp word? En dit vir rugby? Onthou net heirdie ouers en kinders sal nooit kla nie al is dit hoe moeilik vir hulle. Ek het ook sulke mense al gehelp ek praat uit ondervinding.

    Wat dinge egter verdag maak is dat heelwat gautengs skole in die laaste tien jaar die behoefte ontwikkel het om arm kinders in die kaap te kom help. Dit is ook verdag dat dit gewoonlik net nie blanke arm kinders is wat goed rugby speel wat gehelp word?

    Daar is oorgenoeg kinders in gauteng wat ook rugby speel en ook arm is en ook “hulp” nodig het, en hulle almal gaan nie Affies of Waterkloof toe nie. Ek het geen probleem met enige ou wat mense help nie dit word van ons vereis en ek doen dit ook. Maar jy moet erken die kaap/gauteng skole band met werwing is baie ongewoon en het maar onlangs eers begin hoekom nie in 1940 of 60 of 80 of 90 nie?

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  250. @Stier: “Soos ek reeds gevra het sal jy jou kind ‘n 1500km van die huis wil he as hy nog op skool is?”

    Yes, I offered my son such an opportunity and I can name at least 50 other friends/parents that have done the same. I think that you’ll be a much happier chappie when you accept that not everyone is obliged to see the world the way that you do.

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  251. @Stier: Die afrigter waarna jy verwys by Laerskool Uitsig se naam is Ben. Hy is ook ‘n Blou Bul onder 13 afrigter.

    Waak daarteen om Garsfontein (en amper alle ander skole) se werwings beleid slegs vanuit ‘n negatiewe oogpunt te sien. Soms is ons geneig om soveel klem op die negatiewe te plaas dat ons die positiewe nie raaksien.

    Daar is baie Kaapse kinders wat ‘n geleentheid gebied is by ‘n paar Gauteng skole (nie slegs Garsfontein) wat die geleentheid met beide hande aangegryp het. Die kinders se harde werk en dissipline gepaard met die skool se insette het veroorsaak dat die kinders hoogtes bereik wat hul dalk nie in hul eie omgewing sou kon bereik nie.

    Kom ons fokus eerder op die positiewe. Soos die Engels mense sal se “you are flogging a dead horse”

    Lekker dag.

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  252. @Vra maar net: Nie geweet jy en agent-x is sulke goeie maats nie… ons het darem 5 outjies in die span… eks seker die manne mag gaan support? Die manne is die week by die cravenweek ook…

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  253. @Leelu: Ben, dankie. Negatiewe? Ek dink julle kyk die ouens reg in julle eie stad mis en dit is hartseer maar goed as dit negatief is so be it. Maar soos jy se ek mors my tyd. Die “talent” is seker maar hier in die kaap?

    Selfde daar.

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  254. My predictions at 237 pretty accurate so far except for Namibia. Namibia a nice surprise. Now EP to take the Sharks.
    @Oakdale supporter: Ek weet. Het maar probeer om die nou eentonige bespreking van beurse te stop. I see in the program booklet SWD smaller than the Lions. Assume they will not play it up front but try to take it wide.

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  255. @Hooit: Can you pse keep us posted or those of us who don’t have the luxury of being in front of a tv with the scores.

    Thanks

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  256. @Rugbymal: I do not have all the final scores but Namibia beat the Griquas comfortable. Pumas beat the Griffons with 2 points. WP beating tge Boland comfortable in the end. Sharks EP playing now.
    @LAEVELDER: Ek het al so genoem ook verskeie kere

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  257. Party van die scores AW…
    Blou valke 8 SASLEN 15
    Griffons 19 EP CD 15
    Border 28 Griekwas CD 13
    Lions 30 Pumas 11
    Sharks 47 Griffons 44

    CW tellings
    Griekwas CD 9 Zim 16
    Griekwas 36 Namibia 54
    Griffons 29 Pumas 31
    WP 41 Boland 20

    My wedstryde sover AW Sharks v Griffons… Griffons v Pumas CW en Namibia v Griekwas

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  258. @h2o: Ja die Namibia game het meeste mense hier aan die praat. Dink as Namibia Woensdag teen Griffons speel kan dit die mooiste game van die week wees.

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  259. Sharks 47, Griffons 44. Griffons, the almost “non-existing” Northern Free State ? Confirms my comment that very few FS schools would ever be ashamed in KZN. Well done Griffons !

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  260. @Hooit: ja die beste lostrio wat ek in n lang tyd as n eenheid gesien het in die Namibia span….. ek dink hulle voete van die petrol affehaal in 2de helfde

    BOG ja Sharks het probleme by afskop tyd… het elke keer wat hulle gescore het griffons toegelaat met sagte driee… nogsteeds n baie vloeiende game…

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  261. @BoishaaiPa: I don’t have all of that available now…..But it’s great to look back and see the history. Currently many different stories or versions I am reading. But thanks that’s great.

    By the way I see Francke is having a field day in WP Ak team now sounds like he is blossoming more the higher the level he plays in!

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  262. @Stier…. Dankie die golf was lekker….Partymal staan n ou vroeg op as jy 300km moet ry om te gaan golf speel… Dit het ongelukkig niks met brandewyn te doen nie…..Dit klink vir my of jy die ridder op die wit perd is wat self van Gauteng af gery het om die Kaap te gaan waarsku teen die Gautengers en Garsfontein …..As ek so na jou gesange luister dan klink dit of jy een of ander politikus is of een in opleiding is…. Sterkte met daai loopbaan …. Dit hou ongelukkig nie lank nie ….die ouens begin met n spoed maar hardloop vinnig uit teer uit….. Hierdie is maar net n skole rugby blog en dit is al…..

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  263. @Stier: Nee wat, sal maar nie my tyd met jou mors nie.

    Jy het verwys na gemiddelde spelers in die AB span, nou verdraai jy jou woorde om te maak asof jy na die AB span se gemiddeld verwys het.

    Net wat ou maat, jy is te slim vir die res van ons.

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  264. @Hooit: Moet maar versigtig wees om nie botterballe en Riversdal Boere Ysters te verwar nie, man kan nogal in die pomp sit

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  265. i@Stier: Dankie Stier. Jy is nie ‘n lafaard nie. Maar baie dinge is nou duidelik nadat jy jou belange verklaar het. Nou weet ons waarom jy so ‘n Garsie-hater is en jouself voortdurend weerspreek. Ek neem voortaan al jou beweri gs en nonsens met ‘n knippie sout.

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  266. @Vra maar net: Garsies het nog nooit beweer hulle werf nie. Maar jy het almal deurmekaar. Eers se jy agent Greeff – wie hy ookal is – het vir Garsies gewerf. Nou volgens jou werk hy teen Garsies en plaas fotos op Facebook. So watter een van die 2 is dit?

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  267. @Stier: Amper vergeet ek. Die jaloesie jeens Garsies en pyn oor die skool se sukses drup van jou af en dit is daar vir almal om te sien. Selfs bloggers van ander skole wys jou nou tereg met jou verkeerde aannames. Terloops, ouers het hul kinders sedert die vanmelewe jare 1500 km weggestuur na skole toe omdat hulle beter geleenthede gesoek het. Trouens die soeke na beter geleenthede gebeur oor die wereld heen. Regtig jammer oor die groot pyn wat Garsies vir jou veroorsaak. Hoop jy kry pilletjies daarvoor.

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  268. akw, djou, bere007 en ander ek het geen probleem met garsies nie net julle dink ek het. Gaan lees bietjie en hou op om alles so persoonlik te vat. Hoekom is julle so fein gevoeling, het julle rede om te wees? Ek het dan self vir rugbyman verduidelik dat ek respek het vir wat garsies se afrigters met julle rugby reg gekry het. Maar julle persoonlike aanvalle op my is verstommend en ek moet wonder of dit die voorbeeld is wat garsies sou wou sien. Ek het oor al die skole gepraat in gauteng wat hier in die kaap ” help” nie net julle nie. Ek het julle as ‘n voorbeeld genoem nie uitgesonder as die enigste nie. Ek is nou al ‘n lafaard, liegbek, dom ens genoem? So ons moet mekaar net groet en vertel hoe oulik die skole is en nie praat oor dinge wat ons pla nie of wat ons voel moet dalk verander nie? Ek is nie ‘n politikus nie net ‘n coach wat van sport hou en wil he die bokke moet weer gereeld die AB’s se gate skop soos in die ou dae voor isolasie. En gaan lees maar weer ek het na die gemiddelde speler verwys en nie na die AB’s as gemiddeld nie. Dit lyk my dit is ‘n probleem hier, party mense lees baie selektief en sien meer in wat hulle lees as wat daar is. Ek hou van Affies se rugby ek weet bitter min wat by hulle of garsies of enige hoerskool in Pretoria aangaan. Laerskool sport waar die regte ontwikkeling moet plaasvind is baie nader aan my hart.

    Maar wat dink julle manne van daai WP onder 18 cw span? Baie foute in die begin maar daai agterlyn is awesome of hoe seg ek? As hulle eers gaan kliek gaan die ander spanne moet sorg dat daai back line nie een bal kry nie.

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  269. @Vra maar net: Het my amper doodgelag toe ek Mark Antony Greeff se foto sien. Jy moet oppas om hom nie ongevraagd in te sleep in iets waarvan jy bitter min weet. Nietemin die een Persoon in die foto is nie ‘n afrigter nie maar ‘n ondersteuner van die skool en die ander een is verantwoordelik vir die Garsie provinsiale spelers se belange. So daar het jy dit. Tog vreemd dat die agent nie fotos plaas van die ander skole se verteenwoordigers nie. Maar nou ja noudat jou groot troefkaart op niks uitgeloop het nie moet jy na iets anders gaan soek om Garsies te slaan. Dis tog al rede waarom jy op die blog is. Ek begin al meer dink Garsies moet soos Affies maak en van die blog onttrek. Dan kan julle met julself speel.

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  270. @Stier: Jy het als op jouself gebring met verkeerde feite wat jy hier versprei wat opsigself ‘n persoonlike aanval op Garsies is en Garsies in diskrediet bring. Ons sal veel eerder op die rugby wil fokus. So as jy genoeg gehad het dan los ons dit daar.

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  271. FIXTURES: WEDNESDAY, 13 JULY 2016

    COCA‐COLA U18 CRAVEN WEEK ‐ STOTT FIELD
    1 09h35 Griffons vs Griquas CD
    2 11h00 Griquas vs Zimbabwe
    3 12h25 Boland vs EP
    4 13h50 Pumas vs Namibia
    5 15h15 WP vs Sharks

    COCA‐COLA ACADEMY WEEK ‐ AH SMITH OVAL
    1 08h35 EP CD vs SWD
    2 09h55 Valke CD vs Griquas CD
    3 11h15 Griffons vs Pumas
    4 12h35 Griffons CD vs SA LSEN
    5 13h55 WP vs Lions
    6 15h15 Sharks vs Border

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  272. @Ploegskaar: Solank dit in n goeie gesindheid gebeur hiekom nie. Dit lyk my die Leeus rus n paar groot kanonne vir Donderdag. Die manne vir die fisiese game begin op die bench. Hoop maar dis nie n geval van die kar voor die perd span nie. Maar julle boere sal beter weet van kar en perd?

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  273. @Hooit: Leeus sal op hul kop wees, netnie ‘n Riversdaller vlak kyk nie. WP Akademie vs Leeus Akademie gaan taai wees, Leeu Akademie span glo beter as CW span, of so sê ouens van Helpendehand

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  274. @Djou: Glo maar wat jy wil. Ek het een ding genoem wat jy gese het nie waar is nie en ek het dit so aanvaar. Nou is dit feite, meervoud? Soos ek se jy lees maar selektief.

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  275. @Ploegskaar: Moet maar nie alles glo wat jy hier lees nie. Dalk 1 of klein miskien 2 spelers wat ongelukkig kan wes om nie in CW span te wees nie. Ek glo die WP Akademie span behoort te wen. Leeus Akademie kom net nie reg nie. Moes vandag baie verder gewen het. Asof span nie saam speel nie en nog steeds proewe speel vir plek in CW span.

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  276. @Hooit: Ek steur maar min wat ek hier lees, en weet dalk meer van Leeus en ander as wat jy reken. Op daai noot, dink jy nie Akademie 8 moes dalk in CW span gewees het nie? ?

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  277. @Ploegskaar: you there watching ? If so was Francke on fire? A question now that Akademie at same venue. Can an Akademie player make a SA Team?

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  278. @Ploegskaar: Daai een is n storie met 2 of eintlik 3 kante so ek los maar. Gaan nie by rugby politiek hier op die blog betrokke raak nie. Net die feite op daai een. AGV die ontrekking van die CW slot het die akademie 8 opgeskuif CW span toe en die huidige AW 8 opgeskuif AW toe. Sal vandag sien hoe lyk die CW losvoorspelers teen goeie kompetisie.
    @odie15: The only negative is that you can’t watch sll the games. If you at the A field you cannot watch B firld games and the other way around. They should have played all CW games on Monday and Wednesday and all AW games on Tuesday and Thursday.

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  279. @Stier… Vra asb vir Beet om jou te tooi in die Affie trui …. dit is eintlik maar waar jou denke, standpunte en stellings gewortel is…..Sterkte vir die BB CW span vandag…..

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  280. @Die Ken: Laat ek so verduidelik. Die oorspronklike AW 8 was Van Niekerk. Monnas se 7 flank. Die CW slot van Monnas het toe ontrek agv n skouer operasie. Die AW 8, van Niekerk is toe opgetrek na CW span as slot. Die C span 8, van den berg, is toe opgetrek na AW.

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  281. Great day at Kearsney yesterday, impressed by the Boland side, especially No8, lock and loose head. WP were not as impressive as I thought they would be. Moerat is good, does what he needs too, but lacks physicality for me. He certainly isn’t an enforcer. KZN showed we no pushovers and all of the team had good games. Not being bias but JJ, Renier & Martin Holtzhausen had excellent outings, all putting their hands up for higher Honours. Richardson was busy & Jared Meyer led well. Excited by Weds vs WP…

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  282. @Grasshopper: I agree with you but we battled at scrum time and line out time. I have never seen a front row hinge/pop backwards as the sharks did at the one scrum….with all 3 popping. I was dissapointed in EP and had the feeling if Mafu did not pitch up the rest of the team battled. it was only late in second half that they (EP)started playing to their true potential but by then the Sharks had done enough. Sharks were great in open play…. JJ was to in my opinion MOM…. Richardson and Meyer also stuck up their hands….10/12/13 were solid in attack and def…. 9 just needs to be more decisive at base of ruck sometimes taking a step before making option, if he is more assertive they will not put a hand on him. Yes Wednesday will be a true test.

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  283. @h2o: you right, we lost I think 3 lineouts in a row, in front. So we need to sort that. We didn’t use JJ much at lineout time either. Maybe he is too big to lift, not sure. I would use him at 2 ball a lot & lighter flanks at 4 and at the back. Who was the flyhalf? Thought he played well, especially on defence

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  284. Curtis and then later Ritchie… the latter coming onto the field in the 2nd half and also having some good runs. my question is they choose Richardson as #2 but play him at 8?????? with the way it looks now Voster will be the go to man at hooker if 16 battles plus he picked up a injury….. imo they should have chosen DR at #8 from the beginning…and excuse me if i sound a bit biased have chosen a more reputable #2 We will see against a stronger WP pack what the selection process thought is. Sharks have silenced a lot of critics on day 1 with their game plan and execution… hope it builds for the rest of the week.

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  285. @Ploegskaar, @Die Ken, @Hooit: Die manne vertel my dat Leeus AW span met ten minste 60 moet gewen het. Voorlangs totaal gedomineer maar agter was afronding ‘n probleem. Ek weet agterlyn is baie gevaarlik indien hulle kliek.
    Op vraag of AW no 8 in CW span moet wees: wel, verstaan dat hy (Liam van den Berg) gister man of the match was. Well done aan Helpmekaar. Dit se dalk ook iets oor sy vermoe, potensiaal, BMT, ens. Gesprekke was al vroeer gehou, maar persoonlik sou my CW lostrio die volgende gewees het:
    6 – Mark Snyman
    7 – Liam van den Berg
    8 – Cristen van Niekerk
    Dis nou na die maal en manne sal maar moet uithaal en wys, waar hulle gekies is. Dis die lekker ding van altwee toernooie op een site. Keurders (afrigter invloed) gaan in toekoms 2 maal moet dink voor hulle manne voortrek (Monnas en Florida). Geneuk is dat hulle dalk manne heeltemal sal uit los.
    Hou ons asb op hoogte van gebeure.

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  286. @h2o: Always said Richardson was an 8 and Prinsloo to start at 2. In a tournament like this you need grunt and physicality. Prinsloo has that in abundance. Richardson has played most if not all his rugby a loose forward. Very late to switch to hooker in the biggest schoolboy tournament in the country where reputations and careers are born.

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  287. See Wp playing KZN tommorow.Should be 20 points plus.Province scrum their weakness.

    willemse,Moerat Rass,jooste lombaaard and maybe khanya should be certs for sa schools.Muller du plessis should also be there

    kzn/ep a very low level game-no sa schools contenders

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  288. WP CW was by tye absoluut skitterend. Het nooit die idee gehad dat hulle in die moeilikheid is ten spyte van 14-0 agterstand nie. Wat wel pla is hulle gesukkel in die skrums en hul onvermoe om druk toe te pas op die opposisie se ingooie in lynstaan nie. Die agterlyn gaan nog verder versterk word met Du Plessis se insluiting op vleuel. Boland gaan beslis ook van hulle laat hoor hoewel hulle seker gister hul beste span gespeel het.

    Ek het gister meer skills gesien op een dag as wat ek Saterdag by al die Super 15 wedstryde saam gesien het. Wonder of die experts nou tevrede is ? Nou die groot vraag : Wat word van hierdie styl van total rugby na skool ? Hoe is dit moontlik dat ons afrigters op die vlak dit regkry om hierdie pragtige rugby uit hulle uit te dril binne 2 jaar nadat die spelers skool verlaat het.

    Gister was beslis die beste eerste dag van CW wat ek nog gesien het.

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  289. @BrotherBear: Stem saam in baie areas met jou. Dink fisies gaan ons voor kort vandag en as Mark nie op sy beste is nie gaan ons sukkel op die losbal. Kom ons kyk maar. Daar gaan te veel bal draers by die Leeus wees vandag en te min donkies.

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  290. @Grasshopper: Crowshaw had a great game and pulled off a number of steals, and I though Maduna was great on defence. Can’t disagree with Buffel and H20 on the 2/8 discussion, although I though Richardson was great with ball in hand. It will be telling to see how we do against WP.

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  291. @HooIt: is daar nie 2 bal stelers voor nie? Mark nogals goed met donkiewerk ook. Span sal maar moet aanpas met verloop van wedstryd Hoor die SWD nie so warm. Sal maar sien later – dis op boksie. Sterkte vir julle manne.

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  292. @odie15: @Rugbyman: It’s definitely happened before. I can’t remember all the examples, but the one example that I can remember with certainty is the St Albans boy in 2012, Abongile Nonkontwana made the SA Schools side after playing for the Bulls team in the AW.

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  293. @Hoot: Kan dalk strategies wees om manne so op te sit. Spaar groter verskeidenheid van vaardighede vir latere wedstryde. Ek verstaan elkeen moet ten minste een volle wedstryd speel, en kan net gesub word indien besering opduik?

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  294. @robbie: dit was n baie goeie 1ste dag met n paar taai wedstryde… kan ek my opinie gee oor wat na skool gebeur…. jou groter unies betaal duisende vir n skool seun wat dan op reputasie gaan en sommige van hulle is nie emosioneel volwasse om daardie druk te verwerk nie…. die unie moet hom kies ten koste van n ander seun wat wel harder moes werk om in die span te wees omdat hulle geld bele het in die eerste seun… tweedens word daar te veel op wen en te min op genot en talent spandeer…. kyk hoe celebrate die nz spanne na n drie en kyk wat doen sa en aus na n drie. Jy kan sien hulle geniet die game…. kyk hoe geniet die manne driee op CW dan vergelyk jy dit met ons super spanne saterdag…. ek se sa rugby moet se bv 200 jongmanne identifiseer en hulle deur o19 vlak in die currie beker develop tot die standaard wat ons soek…… nie net 2 of 3 unies nie….wanneer die manne op standaard is maak vodacom cup of varsity cup o23 en met net currie beker of s16 wat dan op meriete gaan…. jy sal veel beter talent en development kry met so stelsel……

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  295. @Bere007: Hahaha….. jy is snaaks. Ek bly in die kaap en my seun gaan maar hier skool, hier waar al die talent in ons land is. Jou stelling wys maar weereens daai pta metaliteit van niemand gun niemand niks nie. Hier in die kaap geniet ons mekaar se kompetisie maar ons het nie nodig om so jaloers en kleinseerig te wees nie, hier is oor genoeg talent en goeie coaching vir almal. Ek skryf stadig net vir jou, ek hou van Affies se rugby, maar ek het geen lojaliteit teenoor hulle nie verstaan ons nou? Volgende jaar as my seun op skool is sal ek vra. Geniet die cw, ons sal sien wat maak jou BB.

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  296. @Grasshopper: Moerat not physical? I watched te game on TV and he made some huge tackless as he always does. But which lock that you saw on day one was more physical than him? I am really interested in hearing your answer.

    There

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  297. One thing that worries me a little is some of the basic mistakes. You can see the kids want to try things but it is not coached or practiced. One hand offloads when they can pass with both hands, chip kicks that scew of the boot. The sharks 21 can’t pass left, his technique passing left is awefull. I think some of the boys are trying to hard but who can blame them. Let’s hope they settle as the week progress and they stick to what they trained and can do.

    The WP back line looks very dangerous, and I like the sharks 13, the ep 12 and the cheetahs 12 and 13. Some good centers around.

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  298. @Stier: My wereld, ek en seker vele ander, insluitend die Springbokkeurders, toe meriete nog belangrik was, het al die talent in die Kaap oor die jare totaal misgekyk-sedert CW in die 60s begin het. Hoeveel Springbokke, in vergelyking met ander streke, het al daardie talent uiteindelik opgelewer?

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  299. Ek kyk dit nogsteeds mis. Maar is op hierdie forum vertel daarvan nou glo ek dit ook.

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  300. @h2o: Ek wonder of dit nie veel eenvoudiger is nie. Op skool oefen die kinders dalk 12 ure ‘n week? Van die seuns sal meer oefen ander weer minder. Baie kinders word gekies omdat hulle “talent” het maar kan hulle hard werk? In Rusland sal kinders van 12 jaar oud 24 uur ‘n week oefen om eendag bo te kom. Hulle verwys na die 10000 golden hours. Hulle glo ‘n atleet moet 10000 ure oor tien jaar periode oefen om internationaal kompeterrend te wees. Ek wonder net hoeveel van ons seuns kan net eenvoudig nie die harde werk en lang ure vat nie. Gaan vra vir Ryk Neetling hoeveel ure ‘n week oefen sy top skool swemmers daar by hom, jy sal skrik.

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  301. @robbie: Antwoord is maklik, die Superrugby spanne het verdedigingspatrone. So ver by Craven Week maar bitter min goeie verdediging gesien en dit verklaar die Netbal tellings.

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  302. @Playa: Do you then believe him that all the rugby talent is in the Cape? And while you establish that, please translate his response. I think that he may have had an early braai.

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  303. Nie ‘n braai nie, net ‘n stupid antwoord op ‘n stupid vraag. Ek is die laaste mens wat baie waarde heg aan “talent”.

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  304. @Stier: JJ van der Mescht was smashing guys back and all over the park, usually with 3 or 4 tackles hanging on for dearlife. Moerat is the Matfield type and JJ the Bakkies type, good combo. JJ is not the finished product but gosh he has the raw materials & in grade 11 to be immense in 2017. Hope he makes SA Schools maybe as a back up lock to get into the system. Moerat was manhandled by a few Boland forwards. I was there on halfway watching carefully….especially the lock play as that is my favourite position…

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  305. Goeie wen vir FS. Verdediging het bietjie gelol in 1st helfte. Glo steeds nie die wen gaan hulle noodwendig in Donderdag se hoofwedstryd kry nie.

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  306. @Grasshopper: I have to disagree with you on moerat… he is extremely physical, something matfield was not… he makes hugenhits on D as well…

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  307. @Grasshopper: Grassfixation on his glenwood dope again

    fat natal lock not in Moerats class-we will see tommorow

    should be very onesided

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  308. @Stier: Hoe weerspreek jy jouself so vinnig? Sien 367 hierbo, waar jy se, “hier waar al die talent in ons land is”

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  309. @Grasshopper: We will see tomorrow, I have been watching Moerat for the last three years or so, he puts in big hits believe me. Bakkies was a smasher like Moerat. But JJ and Moerat will hopefully settle the argument tomorrow. Can’t wait for that game, I like the 10 and 13 from the sharks there is going to be some nice matchups.

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  310. Ek moet se ek het gedink SWD gaan die Leeus ‘n harder wedstryd gee. Die Leeus se 10 lyk na ‘n goeie speler. Vrystaat se 12 en 13 is ysters maar hulle het seker nie ‘n keuse nie die Vrystaat het altyd goeie senters. Geluk aan albei spanne. Go Bulle? As die Bulle wen kry die WP ‘n bonus punt?

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  311. @BOG: I didn’t catch that conversation. My eyes tend to drift away quickly at sentence number 3 when reading Afrikaans. Do I think the Cape has ALL the talent? No, not ALL – they, do however, have the most simply because of numbers.

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  312. Sorry playa, I would like to translate but it will take me the entire cw to do so. Just a little argument about youngster of colour in the cape being “helped” by schools in Guateng and then they end up playing rugby there.

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  313. @Playa: Well, that is what he said, but has since he was found out, said that it was sarcasm?????@boerboel: As dit hulle eerste wedstryd van die jaar was, kan jy seker nie verwag dat hulle vorige oorwinnings sal he nie, of hoe? Watter skool steun jy? En van wanneer is die Boland magtig?@BoishaaiPa: Eenvoudig eintlik, ek probeer ou geskiedenis vermy, en SA skolespanne was maar eers sedert die middel 70s gekies.

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  314. @BoishaaiPa: En die eerste Springbokspanne was maar uitsluitlik uit die WP gekies, nie omdat hulle al die talent gehad het nie, maar hulle het omtrent nerens elders rugby gespeel nie.

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  315. @BOG: not since I was found out. If you have followed the conversation from the start you will understand why the sarcasm.. Believe what you like, I see it is the way of many on this forum.

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  316. @Stier… Hehehe …. Wie die laaste lag , lag die…….. Bulle toe heel skaflik vertoon of hoe…. Moet se ek het niks anders van jou verwag nie …. So vroom antwoord vir n man wat alles begin het en ons skool probeer sleg se …. Nag ou grote …..

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  317. Mooi Bulle dit was awesome. Bulle en Leeus gaan ‘n groot game wees. Die loskop het gesukkel maar die 10, 12 en 15 baie goed.

    @Bere007 ek weet nie eers waar is Pearson nie en het niks van hulle gese nie?

    Ek het maar gemengde gevoelens by cw ek is ‘n BB supporter maar die WP skole rugby is nou waar my seun speel so albei is maar in my hart. En die feit dat die Bulle met so baie WP kinders speel maak die ding nog meer ingewikkeld of hoe dink jy?

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  318. @stier … Twee gat jakkals dink ek …..werk so bietjie aan jou aardrykskunde in die af seisoen ook ….

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  319. Ou Bere ek weet nie wat om vir jou te se nie, dit lyk my jy dink die lewe is swart en wit?
    Ek se jou wat wys my een plek waar ek jou skool sleg gese het. Die enigste plek waar jy kan se ek ‘n skool afgekraak het was toe ek gese het Uitsig High se rugby is swak. Herder het ek nog nooit ‘n skool sleg gese op enige forum nie. Veral nie Pearson nie, tensy jy die teendeel kan bewys stel ek voor jy vra onverskoning en ons gaan aan.

    Twee gat jakkals, is Pearson in Pretoria?

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  320. Jy redeneer soos n passer….111,125,139….jy kry mos jou inligting om die braai vleis vuur….

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  321. @boerboel:

    Jy is seker die mees arrogantste persoon op die blog, jy gooi beledigings soos jy wil. My vraag bly wat het jy al bereik in die sport?

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  322. @Bere007: Soos ek vermoed het jy beledig maar net, jy is nou die kans gegee om ‘n punt te bewys maar kom nie. Nee man ek is seker jy kan beter doen as dit. Soos jy geseg het lekker slaap ou grote.

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  323. Vandag se spanne het sterker gelyk as gister of is dit my verbeelding? Leeus, Bulle of Vrystaat sal ‘n groot game wees. More se WP Sharks game behoort goed te wees, ek dink dit kan ‘n close een wees. Daai Sharks gaan nie maklik gewen word by die huis nie, daar sal bietjie ekstra motiveering wees met oom John en grasshopper daar of hoe?

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  324. @Hooit: Ek dink ook die WP sal hom vat maar die sharks gaan nie maklik wees daar by die huis nie hulle gaan reg wees vir hierdie een. Die BB Leeus gaan oorlog wees, ek sal maar geld in die bank hou vir daai een. Altwee spanne het sterk pak, ek dink tog die Bulle het dalk bietjie meer x-faktor agter. Die Leeus se 10 lyk ook na ‘n man met ‘n plan en hulle sal hom moet stil hou. Kan nie wag nie en dan wag die Vrystaat ook nog.

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  325. @boerboel: Ou boerboef, die realiteit van SA verteenwoordigende spanne is dat sommige streke/spanne, waar rugby nie n natuurlike eerste keuse sport is nie, hulle maar met hulle skoenveters aan mekaar vasgebind, speel. As ek dus in n streek is, waar dit nie die geval is nie, sal ek maar my mond hou en nie op n ashoop staan en kraai nie. Jy moet besef dat daar spelers is in eg spanne, wie vir hulle skole, in die 5e spanne speel. Dit is die omvang van hulle “handicap”.Dit verduidelik ook waarom, wanneer hulle by O20 kom,word hulle, as die “talentvolles”, voorgehou, en sien hulle hul gat, 6-0, by die WB.En dit, terwyl werklike talent oor die hoof gesien is, en of ophou speel het, of landuit is om elders te gaan speel. En dan staan iemand soos jy, trots met jou gebrekkige inligting, en kraai op jou mishoop. Jy BS jouself.

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  326. I’ll throw a spanner in the works here, have ALL the boys ages been checked & verified? Walking about Kearsney the other day many of these ‘boys’ certainly don’t look their age and it’s got nothing to do with size. A fear a few Thom’s are playing this week…

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  327. @Stier: As far as I know Freestate us out of the picture. WP vs Sharks and Bulls vs Lions is the’semi’ final games competing for a spot in the final.

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  328. @Die Ken: Ja hy doen. Sien baie uit daarna. Hy speel uit posisie uit maar sal elke kans vat wat hy kry. Dink dit gaan n baie fisiese game wees.

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  329. @BOG:

    Hierdie tipe goed is al beplan lank voor Craven Week. Jy kan nie laas jaar se krag wil meet teen van jaar se Vrystaat span om ons op dag 4 Luiperds te gee nie? Gaan kyk na al die Bondedag wedstryde Vrystaat wen Griffons 43-12 met gemak, waar Lions 53-40 die Griffons klop in ‘n wedstryd wat nie maklik was vir die Lions span nie. My vraag is nou waarom kan ons nie Lions of Bulls speel vir ‘n hoof wedstryd op Dag 4 nie?

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  330. @chief hulle vertrou nie ‘n vrystaat span met te min GCB’s – hehehe

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  331. @BrotherBear:

    Wie is hulle? Gaan doen jou huiswerk, daar is 13 GCB’s in daardie span en elke speler van HTS Louis Botha doen sy deel net so goed soos die ou langs hom.

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  332. @chief: Ek het so iets natuurlik vermoed. Amper soos n Amerikaanse verkiesing wat voor die tyd bepaal word- selected not elected. Dus manipulasie. Hulle moet beslis meer gewig gee aan die wedstryde voor CW om n beter balans te kry. Daai wedstryde sal dan ook meer ernstig deur die unies opgeneem word.@BrotherBear: Of n span met te veel Monnas of Affies nie? Maar ek moet darem se, dat dit al n prestasie is vir spanne soos Lions, Bulle, Vrystaat en andere om op hierdie vlak mee te ding, waar rugby nie n voorkeursport is van die kwota komponent nie.

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  333. @Chief: dis waar ne, baie dankie vir die feitelik korrekte aanmaning. Smaak my HtS Louis Botha ook meeste driee gedruk?

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  334. @Grasshopper: I am sure that the ages of these boys have been verified. I do not think that even one union would want to be named and shamed regarding illegal players. The kids are just getting bigger. When I went to school many, many years ago you just did not see these type of big boys.

    @BOG: Ek wonder al jare hoe die 4 finale spanne bepaal. Daar word seker met die een of ander formule gewoeker om die spanne te bepaal. Ek het egter gedink dat julle wat al jare en jare by skolerugby betrokke is vir ons leuke insig sal kan gee?

    Ek geniet egter hierdie jaar se CW, ek dink daar word goeie rugby gespeel. Ek sien uit na vandag se wedstryde. Namibië is vir my ‘n goeie verrassing maar ek hoop die Pumaseuns trek ‘n wen deur.

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  335. @BrotherBear:

    Ek weet eerlikwaar nie want ek kyk nie wie druk die drieë dit bly maar ‘n span poging. Alhoewel daar baie individuele is wat druk van niks en nêrens.

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  336. Team Day 1 Province, Team Day 2 Lions. WP vs KZN today will be an exciting encounter. GW vs Paarl Boys. I heard that the 3 schools that make up the bulk of WP Schools will fall under Boland next. WP will struggle next year.

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  337. I think the 5 teams of WP, Sharks, Cheetahs, Lions and Bulls are all very much on par, with each one bringing his own strengths. It will all come down to team dynamics and which teams players gel the best on the day. Win or loose, I don’t think it will be a reflection on individual players or their schools, just that the one team clicked better on the day than the other. They are all very competitive and well balanced.

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  338. @Bush: Cant agree on WP@KZN statement.WP way too classy for KZN. Province by 20 points @least.

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  339. @Valkie: Sal soos jy, moet raai. Ek weet dat waar daar meer as 4 spanne sou “kwalifiseer” , dan was daar gekyk na wie die mees aanskoulikste rugby gespeel het, dws “hardlooprugby”. Maar selfs dit, sal seker ook as subjektief beskou kan word.

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  340. Can anyone close to the Lions tell me why they didn’t put on all their reserves at HT v SWD? If memory serves, the bench strength is not at the same standard as the starting line-up. Am I correct that they must play WP with all their reserves for most of the game?

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  341. @Vleis:

    Na elke span se tweede wedstryd moet ELKE speler een volle wedstryd gespeel het. So dit beteken hy moet of in die eerste of tweede wedstryd begin het en dan die wedstryd geëndig het ook.

    En almal het “gedink” dit gaan oor “point difference” wat duidelik nie die situasie was nie.

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  342. @Vleis: In die eerste twee wedstryde vir alle spanne mag daar geen taktiese plaasvervanging wees nie. Slegs beseerde spelers mag vervang word.

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  343. @BOG: Ek weet nie van die Vrystaat nie maar van die Guateng se skole werf in die kaap so baie van hulle kwota komponent speel rugby as hulle eerste sport.

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  344. CW dag 3…. 935 GRIFFONS 34 V GRIEKWAS 32
    1100 GRIEKWAS V ZIM
    1225 BOLAND V EP
    1350 PUMAS V NAMIBIA
    1515 SHARKS V WP

    AW
    0835 EPCD 15 V SWD 30
    0955 BLUE FALCONS 36 V GRIEKWAS CD 24
    1115 GRIFFONS v PUMAS
    1235 WP V LIONS
    1355 SHARKS V BORDER
    1515 GRIFFONS CD V SALSEN

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  345. @BOG: I had a chat with one of the Lions ‘officials’ yesterday after the Lions game as to why the Tuesday pool of teams were stronger as the Monday group and how they decide who play against who on day ‘2’. After each CW ‘they’ sit down and rate the teams according to them. Based on their ratings they get divided into 2 groups. Due to the poor performance bybthe Lions last year they were not rated as part of the top 6 teams and ended up with The Bulls and Free State. Then during each days games they look at who will make for the best match ups. Unless the Bulls and WP lost they have already been tipped to play in the final so it was alway an question who is most deserved of a spot against the Bulls and WP. At the time of the conversation the official himself did not know if the Lions or Free State will play against the Bulls. It seems like they were more impressed with the Lions on the day and they got chosen.
    @chief: Each player must play 70 minutes of rugby within the 1st 2 games. It becomes a nightmare on who has played how many minutes if subs are used so most teams try an get it out if the way and not use subs. Injuries are excluded from this rule. Lions fir example replaced the prop due to injury and the lock in the last 8 minutes due to blood.

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  346. Dit is baie jammer dat die verloorder tussen die Leeus en Bulle of WP en Sharks nie die Vrystaat speel nie. Mens verstaan een van die top spanne gaan uit mis op ‘n kans vir die finaal maar om dan nie eers een van die ander sterk spanne te speel nie is jammer. As ek hulle was sou ek lekker demoer in gewees het.

    @Grasshopper don’t you worry they check their ages. Don’t backtrack on JJ, regardless his age you made a statement that he is better than Moerat and that Moerat is not physical, but we will see today. Good luck to your team may the best ref win….I mean best team win, sorry about that.

    Talking of refs the standard is shocking. Seconds really disappointed me, I was wondering at one stage if he was even sober? The offside lines at the breakdowns and kicks is not policed at all, it was very bad in the Sharks vs EP game.

    Overall it has been good, defense not always but I prefer teams with a attacking mindset anyway so I won’t complain to much. The next few days is going to have so awesome games, I can’t wait.

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  347. @Stier: Nou weet jy ook waarom daardie streke geen keuse het as om elders te werf nie. Afrikaanse skole in die WP, Boland of SWD en Engelse skole in die Ooskaap of Grens, waar rugby wel daardie komponent se eerste keuse is. Dit verander egter nie die feit dat hulle, die ander streke, met “handicap” speel nie.

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  348. @Hooit: So, as I suspected, its “eenie, meenie, minie, mow”. You are saying that there are no players in the Lions side, who is not originally from Dale? Then, its a first in many years.

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  349. @BOG: No I am not saying that. I am not familiar with all the player’s ‘origin’ Just want clarity from Stier who is. Maybe the 1 Florida player but not sure. Otherwise not any that I know off.

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  350. Bush (428) – what are you smoking ? The Paarl schools to join Boland ! Paarl has never been part of Boland and never will. For this to happen, it will entail a change in borders. Do you think WP will allow this ? Boland, Gim and Boishaai all field 24+ teams on a Saturday. Who would they play against ? Drostdy – maybe.

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  351. @Hooit: Ek dog jy was in die Kaap gewerf? Ek weet Florida Laerskool het ‘n par seuns wat hulle hier in die kaap kom haal het. Daarom wat ek se gauteng. Maak dit saak wanneer die kind gewerf is?

    @Bog, daar is “swart” skole in gauteng wat rugby as hulle hoof sport speel. Meeste is Engels maar hulle is daar.

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  352. @Playa: Perhaps the “suspects” were seen walking, with wife and few kids, and insisting on married quarters for their contracts-at U 19 level ??
    In the meantime, the French clubs, I believe, are looking for the 20 top players at the tournament, straight from school. So, a few Dlaminis or Vander Merwes, playing for France soon, is a strong possibility.

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  353. I don’t think the minister of sport see so called ” coloured” people as qouta players he meant, if you like “black” players. In that case all the provinces except maybe for those in the eastern cape region will have a problem. Must say the Sharks seem to bring some young Zulu warriors in that don’t play to badly. Maybe the others unions can have a chat with them to find out how they do it?

    As for Paarl, a principal of one of the primary schools told me that he has to register his school each year with his union. He has a choice whether he wants to register with Boland or WP. So it seems the primary schools have a choice as to which union they want to join.

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  354. @Stier: Die Lions se o/13 dink ek het drie Florida seuns wat van die Kaap kom in hulle span gehad. Ek sal die name probeer kry maar die een was ‘n agsteman en twee in die backs. Ons het vroeer die jaar teen hulle gespeel.

    Maar wat dink jy, het die minister van sport “coloured” spelers as deel van die kwota gesien of het hy bedoel “black” spelers? Ek kyk nou na die Namibia span ek wonder of hulle ‘n kwota het? Hulle lyk baie wit, moet ons hulle toelaat as hulle nie kwota het nie? Die hele kwota ding is belaglik.

    Ek het al genoem dat die WP wou hulle o/13 B aan die sasol week ontrek omdat baie provinsies nie die 11/11 kwota gekies het nie. Die ander provinsies het nog op ‘n 18/4 split gewerk van die vorige jaar. Op die ou end het die WP toe gegaan nadat die ouers druk op die unie gesit het deur koerante toe te gaan. Die WP het toe die toernooi gewen al het hulle met ‘n kwota van 11/11 gespeel teen die meeste ander unies wat met ‘n 18/4 kwota gespeel het.

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  355. @Stier: Maak nie saak nie maar sover my kennis strek is almal van Gauteng. As da 1 in 23 is van Laerskool af neem ek aan jou fete met die Bulle gaan voort. Ek weet WP self het n speler wat o13 Leeus gespeel het en toe Kaap toe is. Hoekom is ek nie seker nie.

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  356. @Hooit: Ek moet se gauteng, anders neem mense dit weer as ‘n persoonlike aanval op hulle of hulle skool. Ek weet regtig nie hoeveel kinders van die kaap indien enig vir die Leeus se o/18 speel nie. Feit is Florida Laerskool het verseker ‘n hele klomp van die kaap in hulle eerste span gehad en van hulle het vir die Leeus o/13 uit gedraf.

    Die BB is ‘n ander storie ek vermoed daar is heelwat van daai seuns wat van die kaap kom en in die kaap gewerf is. Niemand hier sal ooit se hoeveel van daai seuns kom van die kaap nie. En as mens vra sal jy sleg gese word. Mense hier is so liggeraak mens moet in kodes praat om hulle nie om te krap nie en moenie dink om onverskoning te vra oor ‘n inkorrekte stelling help nie. Gaan lees 114. En die mense erken hulle kry kinders van die kaap gaan lees 118, 189, 245 en 247 maar daar is meer. Ek weet vir ‘n feit daar is skole in Pretoria wat aktief hier in die kaap werf. Of dit reg is is my vraag niks anders nie. Is die idee nie dat elke provinsie sy bes moet doen om alle kinders in sy provinsie by rugby betrokke te kry nie? Ek weet dit gaan nie orals ewe maklik wees nie maar skole soos Laerskool Uitsig in Centurion het dit gedoen. Ben doen awesome werk daar, is hulle op standaard ? Ek weet nie maar dit is hoe mens begin ek het dit ook all in my sport gedoen en gesien en baie van die kinders het al SA’s gewen. So asb. verstaan ek se niemand sleg nie dit is egter verkeerd om te dink dit gebeur nie.

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  357. @Stier: Some, if not most, “of those young Zulu warriors” in the KZN sides, you refer to,are actually from the old Transkei- Xhosas, where rugby is in fact first choice. Jy sukkel werklik om die omvang van hierdie probleem te besef. Jy kan nie rugby op n gemeenskap afdwing wat tradissioneel, sokker, as voorkeur het nie, veral nie omdat rugby, in vorige skole waar dit gespeel was, verdwyn het. Daar is spelers in van die Akademiespanne, wat 4s en 5s vir hulle skole speel, om getalle op te maak.

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  358. WP academy team beat the Lions academy 31 – 29 with a penalty in injury time. Lions rugby in a good place.

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  359. Any comments from the Sharks. As stated previously they are not physical enough

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  360. Ritchie’s distribution needs help. He reads the game too slowly and doesn’t have a great pass.

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  361. @McCulleys Workshop: Cant make that comment. There is no Sharks player in the game let alone outplaying a WP player. I am keeping a special eye on that duel. He had n very few carries early and a few missed tackles. The pace of the game is too fast for all the Sharks

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  362. The only competition WP is getting is from the time keeper. Not sure who is going to get to 70 first but my money is on the WP to beat the timekeeper. 43 – 0 for WP

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  363. @Hooit: I think it is safe to assume now that the sharks wont be the unofficial winners of the cravenweek… wow! TheProvince are really bringing it on…

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  364. Rugby is not all about physicality and the biggest hit blah blah blah…. skills, intensity and teamwork did the trick for province.

    Better luck next time Sharks.

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  365. Wandile Simelane “is an outrageously talented rugby player”…..that’s all that I’m hearing and reading from pundits & the media in SA……Wandile Mjekevu was seen as a potential Springbok legend in the making?!?!…..where in the blue hell is he now?!?! at the EP Kings………. :roll:

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  366. Grasshopper was 100% right…..I think Ruben De Villiers made Moerat look good in 2015….

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  367. Damien Willemse can jol hopefully isn’t Curwin “Earl Rose” Bosch 2.0……

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  368. WP & Lions in the final?!?!…..I really don’t trust the Bulls to pull it off on Thursday….

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  369. Well played Province, too much depth. Sharks bench starting today got blown off the park in 1st half. Once the starters came on in the 2nd half the score was 17-5, more respectable. That doesn’t show the ability of the Sharks, just she’ll shocked. Richardson had a blinder.

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  370. Deon Carstens is the best schoolboy 9 in SA…..he even looks like a better player than that WP Under 19 bloke Jondre Williams…..

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  371. Sean Erasmus should be the new SA Under 20 head coach…..this WP CW side is well drilled…..ruthless….

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  372. @boerboel: who played the Grant Khomo & under 13 final, KZN you Naartjie! Glenwood have beaten Boishaai, Bishops & Paul Roos in the past so again you taking kak!

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  373. JJ needs to lose some of that body fat and put some muscle…..then he’ll look like mean lock….

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  374. Damn…the french scouts don’t play games….think about it if you were offered millions..would you turn down the opportunity to go to the Montpellier Rugby Academy after matric?!?!…NOooooooooooooo waysssssssss…

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  375. Was that fat nr 4 the glenwood lock. Now i understand why he copped out of the monument game. He looks scared

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  376. KZN schools keep poaching Dale College primary school kids?!?!….but then get embarrassed by WP today…something “fishy” is going on down there…..

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  377. @Muzi: he will get conditioned end of season, been carrying a few injuries this season. Again, he has just turned 17. Paul Willemse was bigger than him when he played CW. I also think he is a bit too loose at times and needs to be in the rucks rather than defending out wide.

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  378. @boerboel: I thought he was the “next big thing” at lock….the guy needs to work on his conditioning…..Le Roux Roets 2.0….

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  379. If that lock Ryno Pieterse from Garsfontein was over 2 metres he’d walk into that SA schools side….that guy is a MACHINE!!!!…”Mini Eben Elizabeth”….

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  380. @Muzi: he is from up that side. Boerboel is a complete twat and I would tell him to his face it he is too scared to say who he supports. In fact I would love the blog to require real names, I’m not scared to use mine. Suddenly he will shut up…

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  381. What a game, WP was awesome in the first half. Moerat did’t have his best game and was put under pressure, but he was the target for the Sharks that was clear. I wonder how the Sharks locks would have done if they were the main target in the forwards. That said they did manage to keep him busy and he will learn from that, or at least I hope so. He did still manage to score and showed good hands to create a try for the winger so he can’t be that bad?

    As for first choice players, WP also played with some second choice players and made even more changed more first choice players in the second half. WP started the match with two second choice player in the frontrow and at six, Sardein their main fetcher didn’t play. Their scrummie and inside center also didn’t play and in the second half their flyhalf was also replaced.

    I think the best scrummie isn’t even in the team but that is my opinion.

    Once again awesome performance from the boys and the best all round performance off all the teams so far. But finals is a different thing and we will have to see what happens tomorrow and Saturday. Personally I can’t wait for tomorrow’s big game good luck to both teams, but my hart says BB.

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  382. Once the starting front row came and flyhalf things got better. Weideman should not be there, gives away too many penalties. Vorster is a hooker not a prop, Richardson should play flank and Jared Meyer should partner JJ and captain. Hopefully they do this for the final game. KZN lacking class halfbacks. Martin Holtzhausen and Maduna the pick.

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  383. @boerboel: nope not Internet hard man, hence why I said I’ll call you a twat to your face. How you can belittle & degrade kids publicly is disgusting. Pure filth! This site has certain morales and rules that you certainly don’t abide by…

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  384. @Stier: yep, all teams have to cope with shuffling their sides. KZN don’t have the depth of other large unions so a couple of changes significantly weakens the side. The EP game was obviously the one they targeted a win and got it. Maybe that win made them complacent, who knows. Again, well played WP, certainly hit their straps….

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  385. Grassfixation on the verge of taking his 1.74 m frame and burning his gw blazer :evil: :arrow: :cry: :cry: :arrow: :arrow:

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  386. @Muzi: Just some info..Sean coaches the Boishaai 1st XV and Grant Khomo side…The WP CW team is coached by Elmo Wolfaardt…Sean’s assistant coach at Boishaai. Sean was appointed as the SA Schools coach though.

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  387. @Muzi: I am not so sure about Carstens, he is good but I think Jondre was better. Also interesting to see that today the WP 10 didn’t get the same ball as against Boland and the back line didn’t get as much ball to play with as they did in the previous game. Like I said Carstens is good but I think he plays a different kind of game, it looks at times if he wants to do something special from every ball and sometimes a srummie must just let the ball go.

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  388. Agree about the best no 9 in WP. Unfortunately he is playing in the AW next door.

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  389. @Stier: I think todays frontrow will start on Sat….dont let numbers on a jersey confuse you..all these players in WP side are good enough as starters…just depends on the coaches gameplan.

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  390. bSharks playing players out of position drives me up the wall. Richardson is not a hookers backside. Should be on flank but then Meyer is suddenly a flank to be changed by Brummer who also not a flank. The lineouts was a mess. Dont know who called what but Richardson could not find them even if there was nobody else. To many Kearsney players butunderstsandable as Kearnsney were the main peanuts in selection. How that works nobody knows. I believe in keeping your structure players. Hooker with his locks and scrummie and flyhalf is a must. very didsapointing and &%*%## boergemors. this is not Glenwood.

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  391. Natal schoolrugby at a fairly low lewel. Not a rugby province. Surfing.angling smoking dope more their forte

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  392. @Grasshopper: JJ needs off season conditioning..if done right with his size he could be a meanie next year…Moerat was already “Moerhard” at u/16. WP was just better coached today and played at pace that KZN players maybe not use to. As I said before..these games are no reflections on individuals or schools but all about how a team plays as a unit. KZN won some small battles but the war was won by a better team. You need more than one school’s players that are use to tough games in such a setup.

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  393. The tough wp league is a huge advantage. Virtualy every saturday is like a “test” match

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  394. Glenwood who is is probably on par with Stellenberg down here makes up the bulk of Kzn -that explains the 60-5 scoreline

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  395. @Greenman: we can do a lot of fingerpointing but fact is the problem starts at trials…. hopper wants to blame subs but 3/6 from today were GW…… How the hell do you justify GW 2nd team players in CW….. lineout stats from today Sharks 11 lineoutz won 5 lost 6…. scrums got dominated…. JJ was dissapointing mißsed tackle that lead to Larkam 1st try…. he got handed of which lead to du plessies try…. look at what he did in minute 65… just a message to Grasshopper dont make him a champ if he hasnt played against the champs… there is enough depth in kzn but you leave your best #2 #7#13#15 in AW…… agree dont mess with Richardson at 2 he got exposed today he is a brilliant loosy dont mess with his career….sharks backlone midfield looks more like ballroom dancers instead of linebreakers…. i am sure the boys will stand up and deliver on Saturday. … geluk WP…..

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  396. @h2o: It’s absolute BS that GW send 28 boys to trials. 2nd team players in the AW team. 3rd team player from GW playing Craven Week. KZN is a joke. We want to see the best players in the positions not the best school.
    That WP team is a complete team. Well done to the selectors, the schools and the coaches.

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  397. @Grasshopper: you are talking crap..to say they only target certain games for a win…. they target every game as a win….why then play game 2 and 3 if you not in it to win it… maybe have the right players in positions or reserves and your backup or reserve players will not weaken your side….

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  398. @Hooit: WP was 28-3 up at some stage..good comeback by the Lions…Think WP lost composure and Lions pounced…feedback I got from over there. Still a good win over what I hear is a very good Lions AW team. Most of those boys were part of the Lions 2015 GK team that was unbeaten.

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  399. Jy is reg Sean sal een of ander tyd loop, maar mens hoop maar. Wat hy gedoen het in so ‘n kort tyd is merkwaardig.

    Sover dit die span betref, ek dink dit is die verskil tussen die WP en meeste ander spanne, die WP het baie diepte. Dink jy Daniel Jooste gaan op die bank sit? Daai seun is ‘n yster.

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  400. @h2o: @h2o: cant agree with you more on the numbers in AW. lots of prestess on coaches. Mamaybe too mu.
    still believe that you pick your critical combinations by school and not by potential. not good enough and actually detrimental to the player.
    just again &%%@@* boergemors

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  401. @BoishaaiPa: I think maybe another WP Sharks game on the card for AW…. Sharks beat the Lions AW at Bondedag if I remember correct…. yes depth uou have so others will have to use you as a measuring tool…. well done on the win saw the game en julle was classy

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  402. @Stier: So is Larkham…altwee bring iets anders..dink Elmo sal met Larkham begin en 2de helfte met Jooste begin…hy ken van druk in tight games. Lekker om 2 sulke hakers te hê

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  403. @h2o: Will be good for the KZN crowd. I think your CW team dissapointed the locals a bit today. But as I said before…they came up against a WP team that just clicked better today. Rub of the green.

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  404. Another thing I noticed….WP did not miss many tackles….and SBR rugby is all about space…you miss a tackle and it opens up…If your defence is not up to scratch you will loose. Running rugby is nice to watch bit as some teams like Nam learned today..it is not all about running.

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  405. @Bush: @Bush: and you have better players. Those players playing second GW were 1 team at the time of selection. Our problem remain not eough previous disadvantage players to choose from. only 3% play rugby in kzn yet we need 50% representation. WP dont have that problem. Whatever, lets play

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  406. @Grasshopper: This is not about House. When a KZN Blogger tried his antics a few weeks back when I said that we wouldn’t perform at CW, he attacked the weak House side this year. It is not about House, but rather what seems to be a flawed selection process, coaching and a province that is battling to match the super rugby schools nationally.

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  407. @McCulleys Workshop: @Bush: No Bush. Not just at Glenwood but they were the strongest school in KZN this year same as Grey, Paarl Boishaai, Affies etc. It has always been like that therefor the more representation. However, there were about 150 odd players invited for KZN trials to make up the teams. How many selectors watching how many games making how many selections? Ridiculous. Then they tried to please everybody by at least putting one representative from just about any school in KZN. Everybody happy. Result?

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  408. @boerboel: Check yourself into the SPCA for some counselling.@Bush: Why are there 2nd and 3rd team players in the team? The system compels them to do that to make up the quota numbers. There are other teams at the AW, which have 4th and 5th team players in their side to meet the quota requirement. Its a farce. That is why I have said that some teams, representing areas where rugby is not the first choice of the quota component, are playing with their shoe laces tied together. HANDICAPPED. Taking in the facts, teams like WP, Boland, SWD, EP, Border, all have a huge advantage, and its a tribute to the other teams that they actually do as well as they do.
    Have the organizers decided yet who the “finalists” will be for CW 2017 ? Or must they first have a bosberaad in a game reserve for a week to decide that?

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  409. @Greenman: get your facts tight…. please show me a player from Westville in CW…. The problem is 3 GW selectors = 28 players…. is CW trials not a internal GW trials process and should the trials then not be held at the beginning of the season at GW which will justify 28 players….. westville nil selector= nil chosen…… I can think of at least 3 GW players who would not have made CW side had the process been fair….. intersting enough I would have replaced 1 of them with a GW player

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  410. @h2o: Mike Vowles is a WOB, just saying. Weideman & Vorster are lucky to be there. If Vorster was still playing hooker he might still be there, he isn’t a prop. Brummer is lucky too, very good player & leader but for me just too small. Our halfbacks are not up to it. Where is Francke? Also Dylan Kruger is playing in the wrong week, he should be there. Honestly though Ville have been rubbish so any good players there have not had the opportunity to shine, Ville have not done then justice. Look we were beaten by a better team but they certainly not 55 points better.

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  411. @BoishaaiPa: It is a good side. There is about 5 kids in the team from last year GK side. Like I said earlier they were not plsying to their true team potential the whole year but rather to their individual potential. I was not there but it sounds like the 13 centre had a second half to be proud off. Some even said that it was his best rugby ever. Just a very important note. Lions are playing with their ‘own’ players of colour and they are in both teams om merit. Lions rugby looking very good.

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  412. @Greenman, @Grasshopper: you remember my prediction of Kzn struggle after the Glenwood loss to Monnas? Must agree that WP team looked well coached and players showed heaps of confidence.
    Sad about the Lions AW that lost by 2 points to WP. Well done for a brilliant fight back. Could easily be the other way if not for soft WP try at start of game.
    @H2o: Don’t read anything into the Bondedag game where Lions lost. They had numerous layers out of team and played most of game with 14 players. Hope the next game is Lions Kzn.
    Looking forward to a more clinical Lions performance against BB today. Forwards need to man-up and backline needs less individual showmanship and more passing to open players.Believe today’s starters should do their thing. Simelane and Green good players but let’s see what they do under pressure. My contacts tell me that the Helpmekaar name was mentioned several times during the previous game, after scores. Well done Helpmekaar.

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  413. @Grasshopper: Hopper it’s got sweet “f” all how Glenwood does against the KZN Schools. The bias is towards GW and that is BS. You can support GW all you want, I’m happy for you and your Glenwood army. Not even a full Glenwood Army with AK 47’s would have stopped WP yesterday.
    KZN is a big province, the Union should be out there on game days taking notes and bringing players to the trials. Not 2 days before the trials and half of GW school go, because they are the best in the province. We need a proper team.
    Dale College have 2 boys in the Craven Side and 2 in the AW side they are the strongest school side in the Border Area. Why does every GW supporter, Old Boy and parent feel as GW is the strongest team in KZN they must have a 100 boys at Craven Week??? Good teamwork win games not individuals

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  414. @Bush: @Bush: grasshopper can check the ratio last year. that should reflect kzn stance on selection. again, there is a lot of AW that shluld be in CW but did not happen because of quotas. One should actually not even try to get excited about kzn rugby. We are now all disadvantaged
    Anyway, here come the French! Need to negotiate.

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  415. @Bush: No we don’t boet, I would prefer less players, just those that are the best. My question to you is who is better in each position. Give answers and solutions instead of throwing your toys out the cot.

    Renier Van Rooyen – undoubtedly the best tight head in KZN
    JJ Van der Mescht – best lock and prospect we have, not polished but has the raw goods to be excellent next year.
    Martin Holtzhausen – our best centre by far
    Seun Maduna – a good solid player and should be there
    G Lubbe – experienced wing, great defence and with space a finisher

    Those 5 are there on merit. I can’t see too many other better from other schools. One could argue Dylan Kruger, Francke Botha, Schwulst, Conradie and Matt Bauer could be there too. Weideman and Vorster should be in the Academy side or not there at all.

    Please tell us all who is missing…

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  416. Matt Bauer for me is severely underrated. He has the mongrel to do well after school. For me he should have been in the CW team instead of Weideman.

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  417. @Greenman: some comments here about large players were in my opinion a bit personal. On the other hand (as Naas would say), an excuse that a player has been recovering from injury and therefor is not in shape – is not an acceptable excuse. Good players become excellent due to their work ethic and discipline. Practice, drills, no parties, attending all sessions and a good diet are all just as important (amongst others). I believe the selectors should look at all these aspects as well, not just “on the field performance”. Even chats with team mates, coaches, gym coaches and the players themselves should be part of the selection process. One of the reasons the All Blacks are really good, goes back to selecting intelligent players with good discipline and work ethics (from a pool with heaps of talent).

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  418. @BrotherBear: The difference was the WP backline, the forwards didn’t impress me that much. If KZN had their best pack there from the beginning the score would have been closer. We never expected to win it, just play alot better than we did. Home crowd pressure, who knows. Gianni and Ras created about 40 of those points. Impressed by the WP hooker though, good player.

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  419. @BOG: Because GW think they are Grey Bloem. They feel that as their second team players have had provincial representation at lower levels (GK and U13 level) they can go to Craven Week ahead of other First Team players.
    GW are trying make their Second team like your Cherries, they can play and beat other Schools First teams. Their arrogance showed its head against MHS this year, as they felt they were too good to play our 2nd Team. This all comes from poaching and making too many promises to the kids you poach. All of a sudden you have a 150 kids that you have promised KZN Representation to get them into the School.
    I have been watching some of the Currie Cup games, there are plenty GW Old Boys playing for other Provinces(Even a Flank for Free State :roll: ) why they haven’t they stayed in KZN???? Is it because they don’t come from this Province?????

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  420. @Grasshopper: How can you make a list when you don’t even watch school rugby in KZN. It’s easy to read stuff off a programme.
    JJ played well got softened up by the Province Boys
    Holtzhausen played with big balls
    Lubbe great defence and a solid player gives it everything, got left behind for pace yesterday
    The rest weren’t even in the game.

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  421. @Bush: I am happy with our Glenwood army! You will see us next year. Not AK47’s, we bringing G5 to the party. Must say, in kzn, I enjoy school rugby more thn the who is who selecting who provincially. By the way, I believe that your chsamp school will obviously have more representation due to winning combinations. Also, u utter BS about 2 days before the time and 28 from GW. It was maybe 28 out of 150. Your right to hate GW although sad. Moving on.

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  422. @Greenman: Stop using the quotas as an excuse. KZN is just kuk plain and simple. Our selection process is bias. The private schools have plenty players of colour that play in the 1st Teams. But they don’t get looked at. Why?????????? Why do the selectors have to go to GW 3rd team to get a player???????

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  423. @Bush: Boet, I have watched over 10 games in KZN this year and a few festivals and KZN teams up here in Jozi, I have seen enough.

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  424. @BoishaaiPa: @Grasshopper: not directing this at anyone specific. The results here are not of individuals. It’s work that started 2 seasons ago. Everyone seems to be watching Salmaan and ready to judge. This is his 19th match since 20th March. His last 10 matches have been vs country’s top schools. But he keeps on and is focus every match for opposition and people foe their critique. Amazing how every other lock gets an excuse cos his partner wasn’t up to it. Yet Salmaan is judged alone. I said it earlier this year but I will say it again. Salmaan’s partnership with Ruben last year is most likely best school lock combo I have seen in last 30 yrs. I think it’s the biggest reason he has signed with WP for next year. I think WP want them back together as soon as possible. Even Ruben is missing his partner this year. They brought the best out each other.

    It’s not an individual in the engine room. It’s a tight 5 joint effort that provides backs with quality ball to play. Defense is character most of these players have taken to heart and scramble like lives depend on their next tackle. The WP effort is based on team not individual. Having said that there is pure class in this outfit.

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  425. @Grasshopper: I think the best lock is currently on holiday. Dont miss his line out calls, hard grinder and big. He pushed both Bauer and Weideman to second team. Very unfortunate not to be there. I am sure he will get his chance.

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  426. @Bush: If KZN is kuk then EP must be super kuk. There are not only Glenwood selectors so the process is fair. I would love if there were no Glenwood selectors, then when 7 or 8 are picked no one can complain. Look at the GK team, made the final with many Glenwood players. In terms of Old boys playing provincial rugby, they play in other provinces because KZN doesn’t have a decent Uni. I mean pot calling the kettle black, half of House comes from Gauteng…..Pridwin is a big feeder school…

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  427. @Greenman: I think him and JJ will make a good partership next year. JJ needs to get a personal trainer and get him into tiptop shape in pre-season. He only needs to lose 5kg and increase muscle mass a little. I feel for him a little, groin injuries are irritating and stop you running/cycling etc…

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  428. @odie15: Ruan Vermaak, the Monnas SA Academy, lock, has started training already since his shoulder op. If he can get back to form before the 1st SA schools game him and ‘Moerhard’ whould be my lock combination of choice.

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  429. @Grasshopper: If the forwards did not impress you much, who gave that good clean ball to the backs to run with?..The KZN forwards?…..Your scrum went up and backwards everytime and you were dominated at rucktime….

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  430. @odie15: Agreed its a team effort for sure. This is why you seeing these provincial sides being made up mostly by 2 or 3 sides due to combinations. The KZN side reminded me of the baby boks, just under-prepared and not gelling at all. I still think this rule about having to play the bench starting is rubbish. The provinces and coaches should be able to pick their best side no matter what. For a smaller Union like KZN with a third of the players of WP, it’s important we play our best. Salmaan is a good player but for me not as good as JD Schickerling was at the same level. JD really dominated all aspects of lock play. Eduard Zandberg & RG Snyman were a close 2nd. I never saw Jason Jenkins play at school but for me he is a future Bok..

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  431. @Grasshopper: EP were kuk, mainly made up of Framesby players. Who GW smashed. Why do you think KZN played their reserves on that day.
    There is no pot calling the kettle black. It’s common knowledge that a huge % of boys that go to MHS come from your town, its always been that way.Even in the Good Old Day’s. GW use to be a KZN school but is now a PTA school.
    You maybe need to take you GW blinkers off and watch unbiased rugby.
    Here’s an example for you- Hilton didn’t have a great year. But they have some unbelievable players. Even a quota player for the Front Row. 1 Player in the CW side and none in the AW side what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I promise to buy you a Kearsney Golf shirt from the shop on Saturday and a cap

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  432. @Bush: Wrong again, plenty of Grey PE players and they have had a decent season. Explain to me why having maybe 25 kids out of 1,200 from Pretoria is a problem? House is most likely 25% from Gauteng. The Hilton coach used to be the KZN coach, even then Hilton didn’t get many in the side. Look again I wish Glenwood had no Administrators or coaches involved, that would be ideal….

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  433. @Bush: Grassy don’t take that shirt. They want to buy you! lol. JJ has been very special since small due to his size. Always destined to get to the top. Unfortunately and unfairly he is targeted whenever he play! Both by players and public. The game plan is worked out by the coaches and since under 14 he has been used as a cruising missile. He was never expected to grind in the loossies. Flyhalf position and use your strength. This has unfortunately not counted in his favour and wont in the long run. More expected as the rest catches up. Agree that he will need to up his game i.e fitness, agility, grinding, getting involved on the ground. The coaches need to start thinking differently. Then again his is still just a boy that need guidance.

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  434. @odie15: Zandberg, Moerat & De Villiers SHOULD have signed for the lions/cheetahs…as long as Eben/JD & PSDT are at WP/Stormers those three young locks will struggle to get game time especially at Super Rugby level….

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  435. @Grasshopper: Not wrong, 7 in the starting lining up are from Framesby and 5 from Grey PE. Then 1 vs 4 in the reserves. EP were not good against KZN. I wonder if it was because of the players from Framesby?????? Maybe EP played their bench against KZN

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  436. @Grasshopper: If you take away Elizabeth…PSDT….Lood & Mostert….IMHO RG Snyman is probably the 5th best lock in SA the guy is a smooth operator that can even play an as enforcer…..JD was the better player at school level……Jenkins looked like a “star” in the 2015 JWC…this year he hasn’t really been that prominent at Super Rugby level that’s why the Bulls signed De Jager……

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  437. Talking to the French! What is the exchange rate. Euros or pounds. Decisions, decisions, decisions. Hate it :roll:

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  438. @Grasshopper: Accept the fact that some provinces are playing off a 10 handicap and a few, off a 36 and then the latter thinks that they are class enough for the professional circuit. The tragedy is that the selectors believe them and then we have a fiasco like RWC U 20, 2016.@Bush: Im not to familiar with the internal politics of KZN rugby, but being part of SA, that is a given. Bottom line is this- the selection criteria laid down, is making a mockery of SA rugby and the French recruitment drive, is just the beginning.

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  439. @Greenman: JJ has had a wonderful CW so far. He has played hard solid rugby, made some big hits and taken a few big hits himself. But that comes with the territory of been in the Engine Room. He has done well. Agree with you on the cruise missile, but that goes back to my many discussions with various OB from GW on this blog. They don’t know how to coach or spend enough resources getting coaches for the lower teams. I can just hear it from Hopper so I will say it “we are not a Private School we don’t get that kind of funding” instead of Purchasing players get coaches in, develop what you have in front of you.
    Any way lekker day further, have to do some work. Been bunking with flu for 3 days at CW. Off to join the masses on Dennis Shepstone Rd.
    Go Free State, Go Lions, Go Hopper :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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  440. @Grasshopper: so if we agree on something quickly. Salmaan was most obvious pick last year. He was so good he pipped the capt who had to play flank whole CW. People saying he’s targeted I don’t think you can target 1 player in a pack. But yes you can put more pressure on at line out time. If your scrum is strong and it goes fwd and you do your work in the tight loose it’s a good day. Lineouts opposition can focus more on a jumper. But that’s then up to team to have good variations. If you saying JJ is still young and learning etc etc etc…..Then what happens next year when focus is on him? Salmaan currently has the luxury of his team backing him and results. But he must be doing pretty well this year considering this is his 5 lock partner this year and the pack still shines in school and CW with him in every match his teams have played in.

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  441. @Greenman: exactly! JJ was 16 only a month or so ago. He needs another year. That year makes a huge difference. I mean look at Glenwood, Palvie & Smit give Glenwood that physical edge because they under19. JJ must take the criticism with a pinch of salt, work hard and have SA schools as a goal. He is a flippin good kid too…

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  442. @Bush: Jeepers Bush….what happened to your Toti team on Saturday against Collegians????

    At least they won the fight

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  443. This must be the kukkest CW I have ever seen besides the WP team

    OFS should have been playing in the main game today

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  444. @Speartackle: Morning Spear, it was the Glenwood Coaching influence.
    You right, won the fight, the down down and the tow truck “pulling donut” competition. That’s all that matters
    How have you been? Should have told me you were going to be around. Would have poured you a long Brandy and Coke :-P :-P :-P :-P

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  445. @odie15: JJ has been targeted since he started playing. In KZN it’s not unusual to see him with 3 or 4 players on his back. He is a big friendly giant. I don’t think he even shaves yet. I know this sounds weird but he is probably a late developer. Salmaan looks 28 not 18, so matured muscle-wise etc very early. Salmaan isn’t the benchmark yes but he doesn’t stick out as much as others which might be a good thing. Weideman smoked him yesterday and from there he was quiet..

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  446. @Speartackle: Free State, Lions, Border and WP have been good.
    Some of the coaches think CW is about them. I was listening to a coach shouting instructions to his team when they got a penalty to kick for touch and drive for a try. They must do this every time they get into the 25. Flip man, let the kids play. There should be no line out maul inside the 25, the team with the advantage should attack by running the ball.

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  447. @Bush: I really enjoyed it….nice pub you have there. Volatile fullback you have there, Sheldon Somebody.

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  448. @Grasshopper: I don’t understand being smoked when a team is thumped 60-5. It was 28-0 before 20 min. If the pair of JJ and Weideman were so dominant explain score! Must be missing something here I really must?

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  449. It was a hugely disappointing performance yesterday by KZN. Province were so much more committed and better coached. It was like night and day! H2O is correct in what he says around selection and the selectors. We need to select boys based on performance through the season and don’t ever select out of position. Does no one any favours! The player is normally the one that is disadvantaged the most as he normally fails and this could have a dramatic effect on his future as a Rugby player in this professional era.

    The KZN Team is made up primarily of Glenwood/DHS and Kearsney boys – 9/5/5. Westville had 1 academy player with another joining as a result of injury but in all fairness they had some standout individuals in the games that I watched and to have no representation @ Craven week can only be as a result of having no one on the selectors panel. I know the loosehead was very useful in open play and from what I heard never got dominated by any tighthead he played against – even the Affies Tighthead so where is he now. Is it because he wasnt the biggest or most experienced? I’m sure it’s because he was at the wrong school. Just saying! We know the Hooker was almost a dead cert for Craven week yet he is replaced by a great loose forward in Richardson. Meyer and JJ are our two best locks but to leave out say the Westville lock – very handy in tight phases or someone else who will at least stay on the field for the duration of the match is criminal. Westville’s 12 was also very useful and if it wasnt for the fact that he permanently had 2 to 3 defenders on him permanently during the season, maybe he to would have been at Kearsney this last week.

    I think what we are all trying to say is we need to choose the best player no matter what school they represent in his chosen position and let the coaches bring together a team and not a group of individual players who can represent our province at a better level than what i saw yesterday. Hopefully in their last match of the Tournament they can redeem themselves to a certain degree.

    Just one last point; I think both coaching and the conditioning of players in KZN is at a sub-standard level. I was just looking at some of the Cheetahs and Puma boys yesterday and they are all in good shape, no matter what position they are playing. We will only get better if we learn from our mistakes and put the necessary plans in place to rectify these shortfalls.

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  450. @Intense ZN: mate, look at the Glenwood players in both sides, all are well conditioned. JJ is only carrying a little extra due to injury. Schwulst, O’neil, Van Rooyen, Lubbe, Holtzhausen, Maduna, Kruger etc all have very little body fat and high levels of muscularity.

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  451. Interesting match up today for the Lions vs Bulls game. On loosehead side for Lions you have u18 prop and lock and on tighthead side for Lions an under 17 prop and u 17 lock against an u18 SA schools prop and u18 lock.

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  452. @Intense ZN: I read comments about focus to beat EP on Monday. The focus is to play in Craven Week. Beating EP is no bench mark you select a team to get through Monday. And your 1st choice team vs WP. Saying Natal team under prepared ……hmmm funny all these teams had same amount of time. A game everyone said was going to close. Does that mean we no nothing about rugby then?

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  453. @boerboel: There goes Hopper again. Singling the GW players, flip. DW I understand has hardly played any school rugby due to injury. Dirty player, off the ball specialist. The KZN number 5 was a machine yesterday. Both him and JJ keep the strength together in the tight 5. The others were lost.
    See Hopper thats how you do it, take the GW blinkers off and add inspiration for the other schools players.

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  454. jammer, ek was verkeerd met my voorspelling tussen WP en Sharks,gese 20 punte @least,kon nie glo ek so ver verkeerd nie

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  455. @Hooit: That’s going to be a mean game. That Lion’s side is a lekker side. The Fly Half and 13 centre played well on Tuesday. I believe the KES number 13 who played SA last year was on the bench. I can understand that, the starting number 13 was awesome and he kicks bloody well for poles.

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  456. Grassy sitting back trying to thumbsuck another bogus weight/length of a glenwood guy who was injured/taken by an alien etc

    i am starting to feel sorry for this little chap-his whole world is imploding

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  457. @Bush: boet, selective reading again. I thought Richardson was the KZN MOM, if we had 15 of him we would have been fine. Pepsi played well on Monday, Jared Meyer is the best captain & Curtis played very well in both games. Also thought the Nelani made a huge difference coming on for Vorster. My starting side for tomorrow.

    Van Rooyen
    Vorster
    Nelani
    JJ
    Meyer (capt)
    Richardson
    Crowshaw
    Pepsi
    DHS kid
    Curtis
    Holtzhausen
    Maduna
    Lubbe
    DHS wing
    DHS fullback

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  458. @Grasshopper: I asked Beet if he could set the blog up in Brail, it will be easier for me to read your shit. Now piss off, get your bacon and egg roll. Watch some rugby with your GW sunglasses on.

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  459. Richardson impressed, and Crowshow i think was unlucky at some of the rucks for not getting more steal penalties.

    My MOM …Reece Bezuidenhout….no1 from Province.

    Lions is most certainly the form team of the CW as i think that SWD side is way better that they performed against the Lions.

    Few interesting individual match ups in the Lions/Bulls game today – looking forward to it.

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  460. @Bush: you can go swivel China! You and twatboel deserve each other…stuck up little rich boys where mommy and daddy pay your way…

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  461. @boerboel: Lol – GH, the saying is ‘stop while you are ahead’ in this instance, stop when you realise you have dug a very deep grave and no longer have a ladder.

    The reality is that KZN in general has had a poor season and our schools have not fared well against schools from other provinces. That is just a fact. Whether it is a seasonal issue or the start of the widening gap between KZN and the Major League, who knows. However qudos to GWood for at least attracting top talent to KZN. My view is simple – the problem starts and ends with our administration.

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  462. @Grasshopper: Front row has been under pressure from day one. Nelani was like the 5th choice loosehead at trials. Yesterady he was going in on the hit before they even started to scrum so I think no matter what combination you have, they will always be under pressure. Maybe bring the AW hooker up and that will at least solve your hooker problem and maybe bring some stability to the frontrow – Just saying!
    To be honest I thought Vorster was better than Nelani yesterday but he just couldnt last the match. Hobbled off with cramp I think.
    The rest of the lineup is the best we have at Kearsney for the week!

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  463. @Intense ZN: a lot of what you said is true but from time to time you get a very average age group and i believe this is one of those.I have watched GW on 2 occasions and they are extremely average and i post after their Monnas game that if majority players are from GW, they will struggle at CW

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  464. @Bush: The Jeppe 13 who was MOTM was SA last year. The centre on the bench is from Kes but plays 12. Lions forwards going into the match with a weight and height disadvantage. Think the forwards will determine who wins this game. I think this is going to be the most physical and hardest game to date of CW. The winner to play WP and the loser should play Free State. They are the only 4 teams who deserves a spot in the final 2 games Saterday. Sharks or EP do not deserve a spot in the final 2 games

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  465. @McCulleys Workshop: Morning MW, how are you doing? I have neglected my work, I here at home today trying to catch up and make some money so I can pay my boys school fees for term 3. Daddy has to pay his son’s way :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Will be there on Saturday, going to have a few cool drinks in the Beer tent after the final game. Are you going to be around on Saturday, would love to meet and have a cool drink with you.

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  466. @Intense ZN: Prinsloo or Schwulst should be starting hooker, they actually play those positions at school. I wander what excuse Bush will have if a Glenwood player gets picked for SA Schools….

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  467. @Hooit: So he played SA last year, okay I got it all wrong, please don’t tell Hopper. I thought it was the Centre from KES that played SA last year. They both bloody good. There are 4 teams up there, Lions, BB, WP and Free State.

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  468. @Bush: I’ll get Beet to connect us on Saturday. We should organise a beer with Hooit and Riempies.

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  469. @Grasshopper: Hopper I don’t wear one sided glasses. I hope for f sakes that all the GW players make the SA Side and a few from the AW make it into the SA A side. You have a past coach as a selector for SA Schools so anything is possible. Chew careful on that Egg sarmie Granny packed for you.

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  470. @McCulleys Workshop: Coudnt agree more. Get the administration side right, select a TEAM on merit and we might start putting in performances worthy of one of the BIG 5 in SA Rugby.

    @odie15 The KZN side is nothing like the WP setup where players are identified and nurched through the ranks.KZN gather on 3 occassions before trials are played with the supposed High performance individuals. No real analysis going into this selection at all and then once the Team is selected a few practice hits and we are then supposedly ready. At our last practice match in Pretoria, the Team didnt even have kit to play in. Poor admininistration I say.

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  471. @Bush: yes and you went to House, very believable. I grew up in a one parent home on the Bluff, I know something about struggling and fighting to get to the stop.

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