| INFO | DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | EVENT | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mon.27Jul | Selborne | 41 | 10 | Hudson Park | ||
| Wed.29Jul | Despatch | 5 | 14 | Brandwag | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Glenwood | 20 | 22 | Affies | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Maritzburg College | 55 | 6 | Pretoria BH | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Daniel Pienaar | 20 | 27 | Nico Malan | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Cambridge | 25 | 21 | Port Rex | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Queen’s | 31 | 39 | Selborne | ||
| Sat.01Aug | St Andrew’s | 39 | 37 | Dale | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Stirling | 10 | 71 | Hudson Park | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Framesby | 29 | 50 | Outeniqua | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Brandwag | 64 | 12 | Oudtshoorn | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Pearson | 41 | 9 | Union | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Despatch | 22 | 46 | Muir | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Marlow | 15 | 51 | Oakdale | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Kingswood | 16 | 10 | Graeme | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Grey College | 34 | 22 | Grey HS | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Jim Fouche | 20 | 56 | Louis Botha | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Sentraal | 50 | 33 | Duineveld | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Fichardtpark | – | – | Landboudal | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Welkom Gim | 66 | 6 | Goudveld | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Witteberg | 14 | 28 | AHS Kroonstad | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Kroonstad | 43 | 3 | HTS Welkom | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Hentie Cilliers | 14 | 50 | Voortrekker (Beth) | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Jeppe | 16 | 32 | Waterkloof | ||
| Sat.01Aug | KES | 17 | 20 | Parktown | ||
| Beeld | Sat.01Aug | Eldoraigne | 20 | 14 | Kempton Park | |
| Beeld | Sat.01Aug | Menlopark | 37 | 30 | Marais Viljoen | |
| Beeld | Sat.01Aug | Klerksdorp | 24 | 18 | Piet Retief | |
| Beeld | Sat.01Aug | Hugenote (Springs) | 18 | 34 | Helpmekaar | |
| Beeld | Sat.01Aug | Ben Vorster | 25 | 15 | Secunda | |
| Beeld | Sat.01Aug | Potch Gim | 39 | 7 | Overkruin | |
| Sat.01Aug | Rondebosch | 69 | 7 | Bellville | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Paul Roos | 39 | 29 | Bishops | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Durbanville | 18 | 17 | Brackenfell | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Langenhoven Gim | 25 | 14 | Drostdy | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Paarl Gim | 10 | 16 | HJS Paarl BH | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Tygerberg | 43 | 17 | Swartland | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Worcester Gim | 110 | 0 | Vredenburg | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Boland Landbou | 47 | 14 | Wynberg | ||
| Sat.01Aug | Stellenberg | 13 | 18 | SACS |
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I seem to think Queens beat College at the 150th festival…
I seem to recall we drew to Framesby at wildeklawer on Goldstones.
Don’t recall paying another EC school there.
@Rugger fan: I do have a copy, but it only goes to 1980. I have taken all those results and put them into a spreadsheet donor allows me to slice and dice. I think the missing March is recent – didn’t we play them in 2012 in either our own 150th festival or in Wildeklawerthat year? Lost by a point springs to mind, or won by 1??
@Gungets Tuft: I presume you have Tony Wiblin’s Jimelayo Ji book?
I have a copy if we need to check something
@Gungets Tuft: The latest College book – “Old Walls, New Echos” has the Queens stats at played 20, Won 9, Drawn 3, Lost 8. I’m missing 3 results that I will now have to go and trawl for.
Found 2 – in 1950 and 1989 we played twice. So just missing one. Guessing it’s another double … will carry on trawling
@Queenian: Check my “bible” – no games in 1942 or 1969. 1949 was all local, horrible year won 4, lost 6, drawn 2. In 1969 College toured Rhodesia so unlikely to have toured the EC as well, but definitely no match.
@Queenian: @Queenian: Not sure it’s that simple. For the Border schools (Selborne, Dale, Port Rex, Queens I have 9 home, 19 away and 6 blank, so even if we allocate the 6 as home it still looks like the majority away from home. Most of those “away” fixtures look to have been away at a festival somewhere.
@Gungets Tuft: Re Dale results: I have the same records. So ja, your surety is confirmed.
@rugbyfan: You would think people have moved on hey
@Queenian: I have 6 home games with 2 unknown. I will have to go back to my copy of Jimeloyo and check. The rest are likely to be festivals somewhere, so we might both have them as Away games.
Not sure I will get a chance tonight, hosting a few GCB boys, I will have to spend some time settling them in below the outside stairs with Jinga the dog (and Lola the tenants mutt who might try to muscle in!!). Sometimes the dog gets territorial and we have to babysit for a while. It’s a nice warm day in Durbs so they at least won’t fight for the blanket …
@QC86: Ye it was anyway it would be interesting to see how the KZN schools would actually perform at place like the Rec and Graveyard and EL most history between KZN and Border schools has taken place in there backyard.
@Queenian: 1984 was very sweet
@Bwana: I agree that GW should mend fences with Hilton (or vice versa), but even then they only have the three privates, Westville and MC that can provide decent inter-provincial games, and with four being soccer schools, only one that plays third term as well. I therefore appreciate their growing number of cross-province/non-traditional fixtures, as filling your fixture list with games vs local tier 2 schools or home/away games vs tier 1 schools simply does not add value. To be honest, if there was a possibility of an annual home/away derby vs a JZN school today, I would make work of it immediately. Maybe that ex-Landbou garden gnome can assist!
@Gungets Tuft: And according to what I have 2 games played in Queenstown 17 Maritzburg 1 Harrysmith 1 Rhodesia.
I know that looks strange but it looks like 1 game took place in Rhodesia at Churchill Boys College for some reason maybe that was the fore runner of rugby festivals.
@Gungets Tuft: College have played QC 21 games I know you missing 1942 and I think the other was 69.
Remember at the College 150 celebration’s they had it on 1 of the booklets were at that stage it was 20 games which college had won 9-3-8
So the game there was the 21st.
@Ploegskaar: I am the furtherest thing from a Toff, just a simple agriculturally-minded individual driving around in my hilux. I am sure Framesby will be good hosts but why travel all that way when Glenwood could try and build bridges and maintain relationships with schools in KXN i.e. Hilton. They already have a non-traditional derby with Affies and Grey.
@Bwana: You sound like a bit of a toff, do you want some bitters with your glass of tradition and ethos? Playing a non-traditional annual derby is an educational opportunity to widen your frame of reference and test yourself against opponents that offer new challenges w.r.t. playing style and game plan. You have to deal with a diverse society after school and life through the window of a Range Rover will not quite prepare you for that. Besides, the Framesby crowd are a good bunch, hard on the field and hospitable off it
Hopefully this PBHS pride helps them vs Affies! https://twitter.com/cjpseevis/status/629577758570586112
Results. For some reason my Queens results are a bit of a mess, so the actual scores might not be right. I’m pretty sure of the Dale results though. Somewhere I have the correct details, just not esor.
1937 Queens 3 13
1940 Queens 0 19
1947 Queens 9 11
1948 Queens 8 8
1949 Queens 3 3
1951 Queens 8 3
1958 Queens 5 16
1959 Queens 16 0
1961 Queens 8 6
1974 Queens 22 10
1984 Queens 13 15
1988 Queens 20 4
1989 Queens 33 6
1993 Queens 17 17
1996 Queens 16 10
2003 Queens 17 0
2006 Queens 20 29
1933 Dale 0 13
1981 Dale 7 0
1982 Dale 23 7
1989 Dale 25 12
1991 Dale 9 13
1992 Dale 10 12
Border schools in general
Border Schools First Played Won Drawn Lost
Cambridge 1981 1 0 1 0
Dale 1933 6 3 0 3
Port Rex 1981 1 1 0 0
Queen’s 1937 19 9 3 7
Selborne 1948 16 8 2 6
@Grasshopper: under 16 A ‘s as well. Might be in for a surprise. Lets talk the Monday after.
@Greenman: Ye remember those train trips to Queenstown did that 85/83/81.
Those were the days
@Playa: I was at the Dale vs Danial Pienaar in 2005 and Queens vs Marlow in Cradock in 2012 and must say i was very shamefull of my Afrikaans heritage on both those occasion’s . Never have I seen such racist intent by parents and boys than those two occasion’s but I suppose victory is sweet as Dale and QC dished out hiding,s of note.
And on that subject went to see Queenian’s son play Despatch the other day and that was also shocking it was not only the Despatch players and parents but the ref was just as bad.
@Greenman: Well it’s in Bloem after a stupid bus trip, I doubt we will win anything actually. Under15A and under14A rugby have a small chance. Chess maybe. Tennis, our no1 seed should win….other than that, nope. No relation, just know the details on the late 70’s as my uncle was at DHS in 79 and my other uncle played in the great 64 & 65 sides making KZN Schools both years….great kicker too…
@rugbyfan: Was on that Queens tour. Only R15 by train. The good old days
@Grasshopper: Very pessimistic. I reckon the under 14 A we stand a change. No. 1 in country. Debating a sport? if so, should be in English and we dutchies not great with the language. lol
Soccer, chess… Not so sure only 2 wins.
Any relationship to Steve la Marque?
@rugbyfan: @Rugger fan: Dale also has a score to settle with College. 6 games played, 3 wins apiece. Correct me if I’m wrong there were derbies in 1991 & 1992? Dale winning a the Graveyard in ’91 and again on Goldstones in ’92. And that was the last time the two sides met. So maybe it’s College who have a score to settle
– Gungets, can you also help?
@rugbyfan: Dale used to have a deerby with Dan Pienaar (’94 to 2005), which ended under regrettable circumstances. also had one with Framesby (2000 to 2006), which ended under similar circumstances.
@Greenman: Same year as the great 1979 Glenwood team with Derek La Marque…year I was born….hahah
@Greenman: If we can win 2 games on Sat I’ll be surprised and that is across ALL the sports…
@rugbyfan: LOL! What came first, the chicken or the egg!
Matriculated 1979
@Greenman: You should change your jersey only Old Grey boy I know wearing a Green jersey.
Common Beet do it.
When you leave Grey
Grey vs Glenwood derby always a difficult one.
Trying to balance me being an Old Grey with support to my Glenwood son.
Tried to mix it up with a Grey cap and a Glenwood shirt. Resulted in a lot of head shaking!
Glenwood will field the following rugby teams against Grey Kollege
Open: 1st XV – 8th XV
U16 A – D
U15 A – D
U14 A – D
Also:
Hockey:
6 teams
Tennis:
18 players
Squash:
Top 10 juniors and seniors
Cross Country:
Top 6 juniors and Seniors
Cycling:
Top 10 Cyclists
Soccer:
4 teams age group
Chess:
Top 10 players
Debating:
Top 3 junior and senior
Golf:
Top 6 golfers
Table Tennis:
Top 12 players
Now that is what I call a Derby!
@rugbyfan: Correct – and not the entire school either – but generally a 1st XV fixture only. Often at a festival.
Also think the biggest problem is as much as places like Queenstown and East London are only 700 km’s from Durban the issue is the road if a new road was built through the old Transkei this would open up these schools to play each other, but until then very difficult.
@Rugger fan: Ye interesting enough College have played Queens 15 times but was is amazing only one of those was ever played in Queenstown. And as far I know it is 7 wins each and a draw.
@Gungets Tuft: Agreed, it’s actually madness! The boys are losing 2 days of schooling too
@Gungets Tuft: Also Grey PE and Queens have the facilities to put a lot of boys up for the night.
@Gungets Tuft: Remember it would be a lot easier to say Queens/Selborne/Dale which is 730 km’s from Durban than to PE which is 1080 km,s
One thing after spending most my post school life in the Eastern Cape is for some reason and please tell me if I am wrong why Framesby/Brandwag and Danial Pienaar seem to avoid starting fixture against Selborne/Dale/Queens who I know have on numerous occasion’s tried to get them going.
Mind boggling.
And as such Marlow is very guilty of this as well.
@Grasshopper: Derby with Grey PE is a logistical nightmare.
How long did your buses take to get there yesterday – I heard they left at 4am and had not arrived by 5:30pm. That’s a debilitating drive even by car. Now change that to 600 boys rather than 150. Then drive back after a days sport.
As much as College value their relationship with Grey, Queens and the EC schools, that’s just impractical as a full derby.
Good to see Glenwood are playing Framesby looks like it is become a regular fixture.
Although I am surprised that Glenwood are choosing Framesby and not say Grey PE who do not have a fixture for this week of the year or maybe somebody like Selborne/Queens/Dale as Framesby 1st teams are usually competitive but the other schools mentioned above would give them much better competition in all the other teams.
@Grasshopper: I am glad you see my point. Play like minded schools with similar ethos
@Bwana: Totally agree with you, no synergies at all. I will say it again, a derby vs Jeppe, KES, PBHS or Grey PE makes far more sense…
I have no issue with GW developing a relationship with Framesby – they have certainly produced the goods over the years on the rugby field.
There were a number of schools who 15 – 20 years ago were “non name brands” and now are among the top rugby schools (WBHS in one in particular).
So good for GW developing this. The EC schools used to play KZN often (Queens played College a few times when I was there).
What does Glenwood and Framesby have in common? The fact that the 1st XVs have played each other at PUKKE counts for nothing. Glenwood is an English-medium traditional all boys school whilst Framesby is an Afrikaans-medium co-educational school. This fixture makes no sense. Glad to see that the might of Grey will be back on the fields adjacent to the Dusi. I have fond memories of my 5 years at College playing Grey, good hard clean rugby.
@Grasshopper: You had a moment of madness with that last sentence, didn’t you?
@star: Glenwood have played Framesby at 1st team level for about 6 or 7 years now, mostly at Pukke. I think they might wanted to try a derby out, like Monnas. I don’t particularly like it as PE is miles away. If they are going to go to PE they should really be playing Grey PE. In terms of numbers, as I said before Westville is a community school where 90% of the boys live within 20km of the school, hence sports participation is higher. The families are usually wealthier too so parents can afford the extra’s etc.
To all: We had a lot of discussion about handbags and glad rags being dished out across a number of games on both the
Affies and GW side. Juist interested – has anyone heard if their has been any sanction at either of the schools against players, coaches or parents?
Would be interested – as my personal opinion is that schools (and no dig at these 2 in particular) tend to sweep these things under the carpet and hope they go away? I may well be wrong – but putting it out there.
@star: nope – I wasn’t great shakes on Goldstones – but always enjoyed playing HC in the pother codes too
@Gungets Tuft: From my experience having had a boy that started the same time as yours( where has the time gone since first we locked horns), the number of teams tends to diminish over time as boys lose interest and pursue other activities. When my boy played DHS at U14 level there were I think 5 teams. By U16 I remember the Westville U16D match being cancelled as the numbers at DHS were just not there. It is not beyond the realms that GW at U16 level will only field 3 teams. For a macro and rugby school like GW that is unacceptable.
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Out of interest when comparing the schools U14 performance against Affies ,GW fielded 50 % less teams than Westville and recorded an average points differential/deficit of 22 against Westville’s 11. This is in stark contrast to the A teams performance where they comfortably beat Affies and ended up arguably no 1 in the country. It will be interesting to track this difference in emphasis over the next few years.
I also find the new relationship/fit with Framesby quite strange. Besides the distance that needs to be travelled, surely the point is to expose as many sides as possible to a similar strength/type school. Taking 5 open teams does not seem to be a strategy that meets that long term objective.( Unless of course you are looking to reduce the number of your sides).
The commentary above is not intended to be critique on Framesby who I honestly do not know enough about. I did meet a few parents though at KERF and they seemed great ( or maybe that was the beer tent talking
@ Rugger Fan- I see you left College the same time as my younger brother left Hilton in 1985. Maybe you also sorted him out on Goldstones
@Gungets Tuft: Sold top the man in the red shirt – dehydration is a killer. I’m sure we can combat that at the Thirst aid tent. Will be great to meet up Pinotage. Catch me after the 6th game on Goldstones (reffing)
@the professor: Indeed. Not a full derby, over that distance I’d be amazed if it was. No hockey going down, not sure if Framesby play hockey. Rugby, tennis, chess, X country, golf and squash.
Grey boys to Glenwood for hockey, karrent say. The hockey community is quite chatty though so not much is missed. We’ll have to see what happens, I might not be that close to it next year anyway.
@Pinotage: Excellent. I might be commuting between my Thirst Aid point across the road and the 25m line in the shadow of the Kent Pavillion. It’s going to be a hot day and I’m am not going to expose myself to the risk of dehydration. I’m sure we can track GB and Rugger out.
@Rugger fan: 9.00am at AB Jackson astro. Then down to watch the 1st 11. Then all bets are off. It’s my last College Winter sports day as a College Dad, Eeisch.
@Gungets Tuft: @Gungets Tuft I see Glenwood are off down to Framesby in Port Elizabeth. Is this correct? Wonder who will come back with them??!! The grapevine tells me that some junior hockey boys from Grey College are about to be poached by Glenwood…promises of all expenses paid, pocket money etc etc etc. the normal Glenwood offer you know. Maybe they testing out the PE trip in case Grey College cease to play them!!!
@Gungets Tuft: Will see you at Goldstones on Saturday morning. In time for the 3rd 2nd and 1st teams. Looking forward.
@Gungets Tuft: Sadly the Grey 10th team has withdrawn. 15 disappointed boys, especially the matrics in the side, missing their final run out in the Red, Black and White. College on the search.
Grassy – I see only 5 open teams heading to Framesby, perhaps you can spare us your 10th side on Saturday?
@Gungets Tuft: So revenge is the order of the day – and looking to finish on a high.
What time is the game?
@Rugger fan: Their composite “Matric” team beat my lighties team last year in Bloem – his (so far – and he plays his last College hockey game on Saturday) only defeat at hockey in the RBW.
@Greenman: Sorry for the delay. Hope you feel a little warmer now
@Gungets Tuft: 25 Rugger teams and only 13 hockey teams – “mofstok” is not quiet as big in Bloemies
I think KES & PBHS would have brought a similar number of tourists – but more on the hockey field.
@Playa: Stand corrected but I think 660 College boys made the PBHS and Affies trip. We’re expecting 600 Grey Bloem boys on Friday.
@bloues: Glad nie… ek dink net daai ou se hele artikel wat hy gepost het is deurspek met arrogansie… ek dink omtrent almal stem daaroor saam… As jy verder lees sal jy sien dat ek eintlik vir affies verdedig het in een van die posts van Red Rose… Ek geniet net nie stront pratery nie…
@Gungets Tuft: Crickey! That’s the whole of Dale College
@Rugbyman: en rugbyman is nog steeds behep met Affies….
Apparently Klopper has received a call up to the SA U18 training squad. Well done to him, he has had a fantastic season.
@Grasshopper: College Old Boys don’t “want” you to say anything. It’s just hard to explain. It’s not a general participation thing, you guys play U14 cricket down to about a G or H level, so the boys are there and the willingness is there. Glenwood is a rugby drawcard, your U16, U15 and U14 teams are very good. Your 1st side might not have met their own expectations results wise but have turned up properly on a couple of occasions – painfully for me in one, then this weekend.
To be honest, part of trying to fathom why is finding a preventative strategy. South Africa is one of the few countries with mass participation sport at school. We’ve seen weaknesses even here, fine schools with declining numbers, I think it’s wise to be analytical about it. I believe I know why Northwood struggled, we all have a view on DHS. Declining U14 this year might mean nothing, hopefully it is, but risky to ignore.
@BoishaaiPa: OK, someone mentioned they were unbeaten, I was wrong. Our Under14, 15 and 16A and B sides have had pretty good seasons, I would guess around 90% wins…
@Gungets Tuft: Maybe it’s because the boys are being spread across more sports and extra curricular activities that are offered, I mean musketry, surfing, bodyboarding, cycling, MTB, yachting etc. Some were not on offer 10 years ago. I think some boys are trying to find their niche and could feel their efforts in rugby might be diluted in the lower teams. I can’t explain it, just hypothesize. All I can say is it’s hard to get 100% participation from ‘day dogs’, they prefer to drift out the gates at 2pm and go to the gym to chat to chicks or go home and play playstation or surf online. Unfortunately these are modern day distraction. College OB’s want me to say apathy in rugby due to recruitment and no loyalty, so there I said it. It is much easier to get participation when half the school are boarders or even the whole school (in Hilton & MHS’s case) are and it’s compulsory. Also remember demographics of schools, DHS battle in some sports due to this. Glenwood suffer from this too where some boys are just not physically big enough to play rugby. It does help other areas though like academics, chess etc. In my day it was standard to have about 20 teams in a big derby….
@Grasshopper: Affies u/16 and u/14 teams lost this year to Paarl Boys and age group A Teams all lost to Grey Bloem..
@Grasshopper: Apparently nothing has changed in Glenwoods feeder or boarding arrangements in the last few years. That’s not the explanation.
We’re not trying to find an issue, we just find it strange that only 4 of our U14 teams get a game when we play at Kings Park where there is no shortage of fields, then this is followed up by the same with all traditional rivals that can field 25+ teams. If this is the way it is to be, remember the issue doesn’t go away, next years U15’s, then U16’s are also going to be short, then do the opposition need to find other opponents to fill the gaps?. It’s doable, we just need warning, we then do what we did against DHS and Northwood and play the likes of Port Natal, Creston, Weston on those days.. The best way to cause a loss of interest is to exclude boys on big derby days.
And it’s not from 270 boarders. 24 rugby teams and 15 hockey teams comes to 555 boys, not including all the other sports.
@Grasshopper: You made the statement – that’s about the same as me saying College could probably put out over 30 teams (also technically true).
But the issue is GW have not fielded more than 24 teams this season – and only once.
It is not a College OB issue at all. I’m not making a comparison to any school – just that GW – while being an excellent “A” team school (and their record proudly shows this) – do not bat down the order so to speak.
Not against any of their rival schools. It will be interesting to see how many teams they are taking to Grey in 2 weeks if you felt Affies could not muster more than 22 teams?
@Red Rose: dalk moet jy gaan seker maak oor jou feite, Affies – Helpmekaar was 13 spanne op die dag. Nie seker waar kom jy aan die 8 nie.
Enige skole rugby ondersteuner sal graag wil he dat alle Pta skole teen mekaar moet speel, verseker baie makliker as om 600km te ry vir ‘n wedstryd. Ongelukkig is dit nie die ouers of ondersteuners se besluit nie.
@Rugger fan: I think they could put out 28 if they really wanted to, but the extra teams probably would have taken 100 each, so maybe they decided not to….I’m not privy to the workings at Glenwood, but College OB’s are always trying to find an issue there…..not sure why..
@Grasshopper: That is not the issue – you said that GW would be able to put 25 teams out this past weekend for Affies – I say that’s not true.
College vs GW
Games 24
College W 14
GW Win 10
Points to College 562
Points to GW 411
Ave score MC 23.4 GW 17.1
APD = 5 to MC
But that siad – the victory was GW’s as they took all the 1st/A games comfortably – just not showing depth (apart from U15 age)
@Rugger fan: Remember College has 400 odd boarders, easy to put out many teams with so many boarders. Westville’s intake is local so sport is easier to play. Glenwood’s feeder area is far and wide so participation is smaller, mostly from the 270 boarders…
@Grasshopper: I disagree Grasshopper – GW only managed 24 teams vs College at home; 20 vs WBHS; 18 vs Michaelhouse; 19 vs Kearsney
so GW don’t regularly put out that many teams. Those same schools put out far more against WBHS and M College – so not sure why GW ios not regularly playing a full house.
@star (the APD for GW vs Affies is closer to 24 (not 31 – that was aP Against)
@star: I think in terms of number of teams, Glenwood could certainly have played 25 this weekend. I think it was more about if Affies sent all their teams or if Glenwood couldn’t host anymore. The A team results were massive in Glenwood’s favour. I don’t think these Affies teams have lost to anyone this year. Gungets will harp on about only 4 Under14 sides but I have been told the intake was smaller this year but will be back to normal next year. Why? I don’t know. I for one actually think Westville are over full, far too many boys in those tiny buildings. I was told on avg 250 per year, which means a total of 1250, which is far more than the 1,100 from about 10 years ago. Maybe they need the extra 100 paying parents to cover the 80 odd bursaries given out. I wonder how big the classes are these days, 40ish?
@QC86:
ok, it’s just slightly up…I’ll try again tomorrow
@Playa: That was a weak effort,you can do better,dig deep swaar.
@Murrayfield: Can’t we all just get along???
@QC86: My gas is up now! Victory NUMBER 100 here we come!!!
@Murrayfield:
lol…..slegs ….B
@Andre T: Morne Steyn terug by Bokke……..AFFIES kan nie rugby speel………….Bismark vloek nie op die rugbyveld nie……………………..Daar is nie ‘n ding soos kwotas nie………..Skole “koop”geen spelers nie…………… Daar sal weer 8 skole in PTA in die A Makro afdeling rugby speel…………..K…s is Doning…….. die Valke gaan die Currie Beker wen,,,,,,, ens! Andre T…….. JOU BISCUIT!!! Watter een is waar???
@Red Rose: In elk geval… Moving along swiftly… Ek is nie hier om affies te verdedig nie… wou maar net die vraag vra…
@Red Rose: Nee ek is nie… jammer ek het die o/16C bygetel en nie gesien jy het ne B genoem nie… Daar is vir ons voor die tyd gevra of dit in orde is as van die b-span seuns uithelp by die c-span…
As julle net 12 spanne vir Garsfontein kon bied, hoe sou julle dan skielik 14 aan Affies kon gee?
@Rugbyman:
Is jy ‘n afrigter of ouer van Menlopark, aangesien jy weet wat by die 0/15 C AANGAAN…
3+3+2+5 = 13
Garsfontein wedstryd het niks tedoen met die Affies week nie…
@4×4:
4×2 – Wat is jou groot probleem Menlo…
@Red Rose: Wag so bietjie… Eerstens is jou wiskunde hier verkeerd… Volgens jou berekeninge hierbo is daar 14 spanne… Menlo het egter nie 14 spanne aangebied nie en kon ook nie teen Garsfontein al die spanne bied nie – Teen Garsfontein het Menlo die volgende gehad:
1 tot 4 (5de span het die Vrydag middag onttrek)
o/14 A, B en C
o/15 A, B en C (die C-span was nie volledig nie en sekere B-span manne het gedouble-up)
o/16 A en B
So dit maak 12 spanne….
Ek verstaan Affies en julle ooreenkoms was vir 14 of meer spanne…
Ek dink dus nie jou feite is 100% korrek in die geval nie…
@Andre T: goed gestel! Maar Oscar word eersdaags vrygelaat…die president gaan SA geweer vry maak en eintlik was hy die slagoffer met Nklandla want hulle het HOM vir ‘n ride gevat en uitgebuit….hy moes mos niks meer as R400 000 vir sy R2 miljoen rand swembad betaal het nie….
Ons bly in ‘n interessante land, jy hoef nie bekommerd te wees dat die res van die jaar vervelig gaan wees nie
o ja en dan is die Leeus en Cheethas vinnig besig om ‘n baie gewilde opsie vir na skool rugby te raak
@pietretief:
Hier het jy regtig nie die regte inligting nie.
Hoe speel ‘n skool teen Helpmekaar met 8 spanne, maar teen Menlo wat die volgende spanne aangebied het:
0/14 A-C
0/15 A-C
0/16 A-B
1-5
13 SPANNE.
Affies kies wie hulle kan wen en wil speel. En hierdie maak ongelukkig hulle rugby seer…
So wat bly oor die jaar?
Die Premiership resies is verby……..Die FA Cup is afgewater met geen SA Skolespelers…….Die Sport Pienaar beker daar in die Kaap is n klug……..Affies is steeds koning in Pretoria…………Seders val in Waterkloof………..nog n miserable seisoen vir Natallers…………die Bokke gaan nie die semi’s haal…………….Proteas verniel deur Bangladesh………….Kevin Anderson te skaam om vir SA Davisbeker te speel……….die republiek is in sy moer………..moorde in die Kaap word nie opgelos……….Bog is steeds in Yemen…………ek het al 3 50 Shades gelees…………ag nee wat…………..ek gaan maar vir die res van die jaar suip
@Rugger fan: yes that game last year up at Affies was a cracker, but so was this and I must say since 2008 , they have been good
Hi all , I can’t make comment on all the issues, and I certainly didn’t read, as I don’t understand the Afrikaans, but I can comment on the day and the games ,
The incidents as referred to happened, as usual the 14 a and u 15 a games where intense and parent overstep the boundaries, having watched the previous weekend the PMB and college games, there certainly wasn’t the same amount of instances , why I don’t know, maybe it was simply too cold, but the mom was at fault and so was the abuse coming from the affies fathers and parents , they certainly didn’t behave the previous week like this .
I think GW where wrong in not have the 5 m barriers up on the Madsons filed, common sense and a few years should have ensured these where up , of all concerned, even if it wasn’t for the on field encroachment , its simply the boys possibly hurting or being hurt when the game is engaged by the sidelines.
As for the on field hand bagging, we I think the GW boys have stepped up and not being intimidated any more , like I saw in 2008, they pushed and shoved just as good as they were getting and I think the affies boys are used to this attitude form the GW boys of late , further the games are closer and not complete walk overs , and this is right through barring and exception or two , just take the 2008 and 2015 results and see the gap has closed.
There were few incidents on the field in the open sides , but feedback was and I saw it firsthand boys having privates crunched and standing on heads, it was right in front of me, so the ensuing ruckus was because the GW felt offended they are girlfriends
As for the 1st team game, GW gave it away with the missed opportunities in penalties in front of the posts in the 1st half, I thought the adapted to meet the difficulty the were experiencing in the lines outs . pound for pound GW gave more back than they were getting , I agree the scrummy was way to slow and that allowed Affies to defensively set up rather than get the ball out wide to strike. Our penalties to the line were obnoxious , we just got no advantage.
Then there was the whole, incident in the middle of the filed for 10 minutes , that I think took GW off the boil and they took time to get back into their rhythm , , but yes the last 15 seconds, don’t play the game in your half boys
Opskrif hier, behoort “Boeresport” te wees.
@Andre T: Jippppiee, vergeet van die Bostick!!! Dankie Andre T!!!!
@Bere007: Ja, daar was paar moeilike tannies by DP ook gewees!…Jy sou in ’82 teen ons CW haker Arthur Botha gespeel het..
@4×4: Wat is so erg aan Pritt snuif? Ek het al Bostik gesuig
@4×4: Wil jy nie terwyl jy so speelgoed uitdeel vir my die nuwe Monopoly stuur asb?
@4×4: Ja Ja Ja 2×2!!! Soek Jellie Tots ook!!!
@Rugbyman: rom, rom, rom het ‘n betrekking by die Stryders aanvaar en is nou op Getroud met Rugby te siene.
Murrayfield….Wat jou opmerking mbt die pritt snuif aanbetref is dit nogals wat ek van ‘n laerskool kind te wagte kan wees…stuur vir my jou adres dan laat ek vir jou ‘n BMX, Rooi lollie pop en groen koeldrank aflewer!
Wat jou opmerking mbt die pritt snuif aanbetref is dit nogals wat ek van ‘n laerskool kind te wagte kan wees…stuur vir my jou adres dan laat ek vir jou ‘n BMX, Rooi lollie pop en groen koeldrank aflewer!
Maybe the unpleasant incidents at Glenwood the weekend were so isolated that only the few participants realised.
It seemed to have been a very pleasant outing >>>http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sport-results/sporting-results-vs-affies-2015-2015-08-01
@4×4: As die skoen jou pas, trek hom aan 4×4!!
Hou op om Menlo en OneSport te bash, soos ek al voorheen genoem het, kom chat met my en my venote!! Jy het geen idee wat by Menlo gebeur nie!
Jou opmerkings is soos ‘n persoon wat Pritt snuif!!! Gaan huil op n ander medium!!!!
@BoishaaiPa…hehehe….. lyk my niks het verander tot vandag toe nie…..’82 moes ons na n moeilike wedstryd teen Daniel Pienaar skuiling soek vir n uur in die kleedkamers…..
@Bere007: Ek was in Brandwag in ’83. Kan nie onthou of ons (ek) in ’82 teen julle gespeel het nie, maar ons het n baie close game in ’83 gewen daar by julle. Ek kan ’83 se game onthou oor twee voorvalle….1. Ons het vorige aand ons laaste skoolbazaar gehad en paar manne was effe aangetas deur ons eie homebrew gemmerbier. 2. n tannie van Pearson het ons vaskop met haar handsak bygekom toe hy en sy opponent so bietjie gestoei het buite die kantlyn op die grond!
@BoishaaiPa……..klein wereld……die tyd gaan net te vinnig verby….Ek was ’82 matriek. Hannes was toe nog std 9…..’82 was Wessel Du Randt,Isaac Chesno,Louis Erasmus en Grant Combrick in die OP CW span……’82 het ons met 1 punt teen Grey PE verloor en gelykop gespeel teen Paul Roos op n nat Stellenbosch…… ken vir Richard V daar by julle baie goed…….groetnis voor ek begin verlang na die ou dae….
@Rugbyman: Affies kan kies teen wie hulle wil speel. Net so kan ander skole ook kies of hulle teen Affies wil speel.
Ek dink egter die issue wat almal mis of skole teen Glenwood wil speel na die soveelste debakel.
@Bere007: Dan het jy dalk nog teen my gespeel ..Ek kan onthou in 83 het ons teen Hannes gespeel daar by julle en hy was toe saam met ons losskakel in die OP CW span…sy vrou en myne is baie groot vriendinne van voor skool af!..
There definitely seems to be bad chemistry between GW and Affies. From a Westville perspective when we played GW I can’t remember much in the way of off the ball incidents or cards being given. There certainly were no pitch invasions or negative interactions between the spectators and kids.( And this was against their great local rival on their OB day).There is certainly the need for some introspection from all sides before this ends in a train wreck. ( and we all know who the real losers will be). It has been commented that Affies is looking for schools to provide depth in numbers so that as many boys as possible can get onto the field of play. I thought it would be interesting to look at the 5 English speaking schools that have played Affies so far ranked in terms of teams that were put out and how competitive they were.
1) Westville 25 matches Average points differential( APD) 29 Won 1 Drew 1
2) College 24 matches APD 26 Won 1
3) GW 22 matches APD 31 Won 3 Drew 1
4) KES 22 matches APD 39 Won 1
5) Jeppe 20 matches APD 45 Won 1
The 3 KZN schools are well ahead in overall performance compared to their Joburg counterparts. Of the KZN schools GW put out the least number of teams and performed the worst overall.( especially considering that GW were at home and Westville and College played ” op die plaas”) They did win the most games ( including 2 A team games) which might point to a new emphasis from their side. Could this not be part of the friction especially now there are rankings for all age groups. Is GW not the top U14 team( on one ranking website) and is this not where a lot of the handbags where thrown.
@Rugbyman: @akw: Skuus, Ja, Skool beheer liggaam…. It was a reference to what Djou said in @Djou: The quote was “Affies’ school governing body must decide whether they want to play against the other schools in Pretoria”… That quote in itself is thought provoking. Great idea in practise. Listening to what a lot of parents and players have said, maybe the School Governing Body is not representative of the rugby playing fraternity… Either that, or they did not make the decision. Lets move on to the weekends games… Go Pretoria Schools…..
This Affies / GW weekend seems to have not been so pleasant for the people involved. Sad. But it also seems that Affies is really dominant across the board this year. I just pulled a few stats from the Websites of how schools did against Affies at Rugby this year across the board. Some interesting things can be gleaned – it seems the KZN schools are in not such a bad place when compared to the northern schools.
All vs Affies
JEPPE Played 20 Won 1 Draw 0 Points for 86 PA 983 ( Ave 4.3 – 49.2)
KES P 22 W 1 D 0 PF 99 PA 956 (4.5 – 43.5)
GLENWOOD P22 W3 D1 PF 175 PA 694 (8 – 31.6)
M COLLEGE P24 W1 D0 PF 139 PA 761 (5.8 – 31.7)
WBHS P25 W1 D1 PF 142 PA 876 (5.7 – 35)
WATERKLOOF P18 W1 D0 PF 109 PA 613 (6.1 – 34.1)
great to see WBHS putting on 25 teams for a home game and MC 24 for an away fixture. These stats are not promising for PBHS this weekend
BTW: How do the lower level teams compete at the PBHS vs Affies games when their jerseys are so similar?
@akw: Never assume the obvious…
@Rugbyman: Skool beheer liggaam?
@BoishaaiPa…..Korrek……saam met Hannes Strydom in ’82 vir Pearson uitgedraf.Daai jaar 5 CW spelers in ons span gehad…..vir die laaste 6 jaar n trotse Garsie HS ouer…was daar toe ons met 100 punte teen Kloof verloor het …..maar danksy 2 uitstekende hoofde se visie , bekwame afrigters, spelers en ondersteuners kon Garsies sy rugby tot n krag uitbou….wen of verloor… Ek geniet skolerugby….
@RuggaBoysDad: Help my bietjie… SBL?
@GreenBlooded: Thanks for the invite, but due to work commitments we will only travel up to Van Reenen on Friday. However hope to be in Maritzburg early Saterday morning.
@Rugbyman: Nee wat, hy het nes die res soos mis voor die son verdwyn. Dis darem net die baie klein minderheid wat so optree..gewoonlik is hulle ook nie eers regte Oud Gimmies of supporters nie, maar eerder “byprodukte” met n ander agenda!..Saterdag in die Paarl het ek die rugby saam met my oud-Gimmie pel gekyk..hy skree vir sy span en ek vir myne en na die tyd skud jy blad en kuier verder!
@Rugbyman: Om te praat van “die res van die gepeupel in Pretoria” (Hierna werwys as “die gepeupel)… Ja wat, ek stem saam dat Affies kan speel net teen wie hulle wil, en ja, ek glo nie Garsies/Kloof/Menlo of Wonnies hoef te smeek om teen hulle te speel nie. Wat my laat wonder, hoekom hulle nie “die gepeupel” wil speel nie. As n mens kyk na die 0/16 en 0/18 proewe, waarin “die gepeupel” mag saam Affies deelneem, is seker genoeg speeltyd om te wys dat “die gepeupel” nie op hul vlak is nie, en dat dit keuse van spelers in die top 2 spanne te regverdig. Maak net seker om nie “die gepeupel” te speel nie, is mos beter om 650km ver te ry, wen of verloor, is maar okay, want dis mos n GW, of n GC… (Groot name daai) Moet net nie daai 5km te ry nie, om teen “die gepeupel” te speel nie, dalk verloor ons, hoe dan?, Wat sal almal se… Maar ja, ek lees in een post hierbo, dat die SBL die besluite neem…..
as jy daai glo, het ons nog n groot kans om die rugby kampioenskap te wen. Kom ons los dit daar, en sien uit na die naweek se wedstryde…
@BoishaaiPa: ek het ook nogal gewonder wat het van ons vriend “rom rom rom…” geword…
@BoishaaiPa: Geluk met julle wen saterdag! Dit was n tipiese local derby… hard en ongenaakbaar… wat Bere73 betref, niemand weet wie hy is nie…
@Bere007: Hoe het jy dan nou n Pearson truitjie aan?…Was jy nie n Garsies man gewees nie of kom jy oorpsronklik uit PE uit?
@Bere007: Verseker my persoonlike opinie…Affies not to be trusted!
@Studebaker: Dis rerig hartseer dat mense so teenoor mekaar optree… die kinders speel om dit te geniet, ek is egter nie altyd seker oor die ouers se motiewe nie! Die ouers is die wortel van die kwaad… Soos ek vroeer gesê het, mens kry dit orals, dis nie beperk tot een skool nie… Dis dalk die rede vir die neidigheid op die veld – pappa en mamma wat vir boetie by die huis opsweep en dan haal die manne dit op mekaar uit op die veld…
Nou ja, daars soveel straaltjies gepiepie ons kan amper ‘n Duzi deur KZN doen, maar tog gaan ek myne ook byvoeg…
Dis hartseer as jy na ‘n naweek soos die dink dat die eerste tolhek uit Durban uit die lekkerste van ‘n naweek teen Glenwood is. Nie veronderstel om so te wees nie want op die einde van die dag gaan dit heel eerste oor die seuns wat eintlik veronderstel is om ‘n wintersport te geniet en nie ouers wat ten alle koste langs veld staan en hul kinders en die skool regverdig nie. Dit raak ongesond soos die veel besproke o/14 A insident. En glo my daar kan maar geskaaf word hier en daar aan Affie ondersteuners se passie wat soms vurig raak. Ek is die laaste een wat Affies oor die algemeen op ‘n “pedestal” sit en glo alles wat uit die Affie stal kom is die Alpha en Omega. Wat ons wel probeer, glo dit of nie, is om ‘n “well rounded, all rounder” te kweek met ‘n passie vir dit wat hy doen en wat gepaard gaan met wedersydse respek. En ja eks seker meeste van die gerespekteerde skole in die land probeer dieselfde doen is ek oortuig van.
Op hierdie noot wil ek tog net ook ‘n geval op skrif sit van ‘n Glenwood-ouer wat na die klipharde wedstryd van die o/16B’s die Affie-ouers laat uitsien het na die eerste tolhek uit Durban. ‘n Pragfoto van die meneer wil ek stuur aan die hoof van Glenwood en hul sportorganiseerders. Dis jammer mens kan nie fotos plaas op die blog nie, anders sou ek sodat gesien kan word hoe sekere individue lyk. Want, soos in meeste van die wedstryde Saterdag, het die meneer, en sommige Affie-ouers, gereeld snedige opmerkings gemaak teenoor mekaar. Die meneer het in ‘n verhewe posisie op die paviljoen gestaan en die wedstryd gekyk. Mens kon sekerlik die meeste van die snedige opmerkings verwerk, maar ek dink wat die tolhek vooruitsig so aanloklik gemaak het was toe die meneer na die wedstryd wat deur Affies met een punt gewen is na ‘n super hartseer vertoning deur skeidsregter, vir die Affie-ouers kliphard geskree het… “voetsek, just voetsek you Affie lot”…
Maar nou ja, die dag het gekom en gegaan, ons het toe gevoetsek soos die meneer voorgestel het maar eers aan einde van die dag want ons het aangeneem dat hy nie ‘n amptelike verteenwordiger van die Green Machine is nie. Ons wou darem ook waarde vir geld kry, want soos almal weet is dit nie noodwendig ‘n goedkoop uitstappie as daar 650km gery, oorgeslaap en geeet word nie.
Ek dink ‘n goeie statestiek wat deur die bloggers begin kan word is geel en rooikaart tellings in 2016. Nie net A spanne nie, sommer reg deur die bank. Dit behoort ‘n goeie aanduiding te gee van die skole se dissipline vlakke.
Nou ja, kry ‘n kanoe en roei saam, laat ons sien wat volgende jaar gaan gebeur met die derby…
@rugbyman. Jy praat waar. Dit is net vir my skreiend dat Affies jaar na jaar toegelaat word deur die administrateurs om maak en breek soos hulle wil. Is daar dan geen gevolge sulke onsportiewe gedrag wat verbloem word deur niks seggende verskonings wat op onwaarhede gebasseer word. Dit lyk of ons eerder hier met n tipe mafia / broederbond te doen het wat die reels in Pta maak en almal moet net inval of anders…. Na laasjaar se debakel behoort die skole sterk standpunt in te neem en te weier om weer teen Affies te speel. Geen skool kan homself so belangrik ag om eensydige besluite te neem en almal moet dan maar net daarby inval nie. Die ware verloorders is die skoolseuns wat graag teen mekaar wil speel maar die ego’s van die hoof en sy fanatiese ondersteuners is ongelukkig in die pad …..
@Djou: Affies kan verseker speel wie hulle wil… ek hoop rerig nie die gedagte word gekweek dat ons smeek om teen affies te speel nie… Steek my net dwars in die krop as mense so snobbisties kan wees soos die oupa hierbo… ek het min respek vir mense wat dink hulle is beter as ander en so ou maak al die werk wat affieouer, cappie ensovoorts hier doen om affies se naam op te bou ongedaan…
@oupadejoostin: ek wil ook graag hoor wie is die “eie” kinders van skole waarna jy verwys? Askies dat ek as “komminer” dit nou vra… maar ek was nie in affies nie so duidelik is daar fout met my…
@oupadejoostin: ek het sopas jou lang relaas gelees… ek moet sê dit kom effens arrogant voor… Daar is Affies en dan die res van die gepeupel in pretoria… en affies speel net vir die lekker en net affies gee om vir die kinders… sjoe dis hartseer…
Behalwe vir die atletiek waar julle vir die interhoër beker meeding, die koor is daar dan ook krieket waar julle in die beker kompetisie speel… snaaks dat julle dan daaraan deelneem en nie rugby teen die res van die dorp speel nie… skies man, eks seker maar kommin, maar laasjaar het julle 1ste span nie baie gewen nie… was dit nou n geween en n gekners van tande… ek wonder hoekom? Daars mos nie n wenmotief nie?
@GreenBlooded: Sometimes even the parents from the winning side have a list of things the ref misses too.
Considering all the refs are also total amateurs – pretty much like the coaches, the players etc. They dont do a half bad job. I do agree that the refs must be capable of blowing the level game. So don’t give a crunch game to a mediocre ref.
But that said – a Affies vs GW 6th could become a needle game very easily – and one would think that a lesser ref should be able to handle it. So actually every game is the most important game for those 30 odd players, coaches, parents etc…. and the ref involved. So the ref needs to be accountable – but it must be remembered at the end of the day that he too is doing it for the same love of the same game.
@BoishaaiPa: Hahahaha
@4×4: Dink jy dit is smaakvol om heeltyd Onesport hier in te sleep?
@OudUppie:
If your lad is U16, and he is hosted by one of the many U16 families from the upper-highway area, he will no-doubt join the melee at Casa Gazinhlaza on Friday evening for boerie-rolls and a mass game of touch on my front lawn. If you are staying nearby – you are also invited.
@Redblack White:
Ja – sad when it becomes about the refs. Rightly or wrongly. I’ve found that for many spectators, the ability of the ref is proportional to the scoreline in their favour. When they had Wildeklawer in Maritzburg a few years back, I did 4/5th duty (the ref who manages the substitutions and naughty corner) on Snow’s. Spent the whole match sitting between the 2 technical areas. 2 very vocal groups shouting in a uniquely South African language
. I kept turning around to see if there was another match taking place behind me. It was like living in a parallel universe.
Murrayfield…is jy seker jy is gekwalifiseer om ‘n betrekking by Onesport te hou. Met so opmerking mag van die ouers wat in die toekoms deur hulle genader word om hulle seuns te kontrakteer net dalk hulself die vraag afvrae, as werknemers sulke kinderlike opmerkings soos “snuif pritt” op ‘n openbare platform kan maak, wat is die standaard dienslewering wat dan tewagte kan wees van die maatskappy.
En dan is jy nog verteenwoordigend van Menlo Park ook en wonder ek of ouers wat kinders in Graad 7 het en ook die blog lees werklik hulle kinders sal wil toevertrou aan ‘n persoon wat ‘n uiters intellektuele opmerking van “snuif” pritt maak.
@BOG: I believe the game will be starting early (around 12h30) to accommodate both TV broadcast and the test in Durban a few hours later = TBC
For the less fortunate as myself, who cannot be in Maritzburg on Saturday, they are streaming again on the following link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XNxJLUgfHY
@OudUppie: I hope all the refs will be Society Refs. Most schools don’t play 3rd Term, hopefully we will be able to get the 26 or so refs we need and not have the dilemma of teachers reffing. I have no issues with teachers, I believe they are as fair and competent as any, but it removes the issue from the equation.
To be honest, I can’t imagine why the Durban Union weren’t able to do that on the weekend. The Coastal society should surely have capacity to staff matches right down the line.
Arrive expecting the best, College expect the same and also expect an educated and generous GCB parent body. If we all start out expecting a good day of schoolboy rugby I’m sure that will be the result.
@OudUppie: Looking forward to seeing the Bloemies boys here
@Redblack White: Hopefully the refs for the weekends games between the two Colleges will be up to scratch
Looking forward to coming down to your valley.
@GreenBlooded: From what I’ve read here the referees down at GW left a lot to be desired this weekend – please don’t tell me it were those darn Midlands refs again
@GreenBlooded: Maybe Oscar instead then
@Grasshopper:
Not so sure about Chilliboy – unless they are looking for a chemical solution……
@AffieOuer: Agree. Affies wil play the schools they choose to play. So let’s leave it and focus on next week.
@BoishaaiPa: I agree with AffieOuer – it is by far the post of the year. Still laughing – and just can’t stop. Brilliant.
@BoishaaiPa: Me too
@Grasshopper: You pull my chain you might get splattered..”ek’s vol stront!”…
@BoishaaiPa: Ek kan dit sien, ek het you ‘chain’ pull of trek
Properly roped off fields and good crowd control need to be improved. In the College match – a Pretoria boy was tackled and ended up in amongst the College boy spectators. I know in the first game up in Pretoria an almost identical situation turned into a little bit of a push me pull you between the college boys and the pretoria boys. Fortunately this weekend nothing happened apart from chirps.
@AffieOuer: au revoir my rugby brother! Till we meet again.
Die mannetjie is van Kimberley so Boishaai is dalk reg! lol
@AffieOuer: As jy tyd het..probeer vir Grashopper verduidelik, maar ek dink nie hy sien die humor nie!
@Grasshopper: You obviously do not get it….let it go mate….
@Greenman: sterkte met julle fixtures vorentoe en hats off vir julle span se fokus en guts Saterdag. all things set aside het dit al die bestandele van ‘n great clash gehad tot heel op die einde.
@BoishaaiPa: Isn’t jou ma se p&*s just a general saying, he didn’t mean specifically the lady on the side of the field. Come on, that seems a little pathetic to me.
@Greenman: Eish a trip to Framesby and then another to Bloem in 2 weeks…..haibo!
@AffieOuer: Ek ook nou moeg. Jy kan oorvat! Klaar met laas naweek. Nou kyk ons voort! Framesby the weekend and then Grey Kollege. Go Green Machine! Although mixed feelings against Grey, me being a old boy.
@BoishaaiPa: Nee DIT moet ek toegee. Dis nie net julle span wat nommer 1 is nie, maar ook julle stories. Ek het nou so lekker gesit en lag dat die trane sommer loop
Dankie maat hierdie trend het vandag al te ernstig en te warm geraak, jou humor op die aangeleentheid is baie nodig gewees
@Greenman: “sophisticated educated well spoken dame”
… Aaaieee.
Well, I’m sure the kid will get the support he needs from the school. The teasing from his mates will probably be therapeutic – boys of that age, in a BE, are quite resilient.
And the nice apology call from the lady, followed up a by a letter of apology will go a long way to making him feel better. I’m sure the letter is already on it’s way …
All in all, sounds like a nice little Sunday School picnic daarso this weekend.
@Greenman: In a very similar incident a couple of years ago a woman was reprimanded for doing the exact same thing in a match between two Northern Sub schools down here. Her reason was that she wasn’t angry at the tackle…it was what the tackler said after he tackled the boy into touch… as he was getting up he pressed his hand is the face of the tackled boy and said “Ek het jou nou lekker in jou mase Pxxx in getackle”!..and she said ..”Mr Ref…ek is daai Pxxx waarvan die laaitie so lelik praat..toe moer ek hom!”…Maybe one should always look at both sides of the story!
It’s perception I think, what one parents thinks is dirty play another thinks is just playing hard. Some schools are known to be dirty, but in reality they just play the game much harder…
@kosie: Dit is sommer so Vrede slang
In almost all the matches played between Glenwood and Affies their were fights. Affies are definately not angels. The same counts to Glenwood. Both schools were very competitive and do not stand back for one another. It was hard fought battles between two big dog schools.
May the tradition between the schools continue, however address some dirty play issues, and keep the parents off the field, not with standing the fact that the opposition player is busy grinding your kid’s head into the ground. Poor mom, i think every mom will do the same if she sees someone is having her kid on the throat, and is pushing it into the ground.
@Rugger fan: They can say what they like, it says much more about them than it does about the target.
The big mistake 2 years ago was to leave their seating area and intrude on a very personal moment and start their nonsense. Left a very sour taste. Start behaving like idiots and there’s a very good chance you’ll end up looking like one.
@Gungets Tuft: The kid played under 14 A and it so happens that Marius Jonker was the ref. The GW kid tackled the Affies boy into touch( Mommy must have thought he is going to score when the GW spoiled it) She picked the GW boy up by the hair and slapped him. Marius quickly intervened and literally showed her a red card and asked her to leave the school premises which he was entitled to do. The sad part, I hear, is that the GW is a bursar from Kimberley given a change in life. Who knows what his background is. And here he gets it from a well dressed sophisticated educated well spoken dame from wherever.
How common can you get!
@Rugger fan: Wish I could have been there, I heard it was epic! Don’t worry, it will take Glenwood over 50 years of winning both encounters each year to even catch up with College in wins…..hahah
@Grasshopper: Yep – the last few years seem like that. As bitter as the 150th Reunion day loss was – WHAT A GAME!!!! Will still be one of my all time favourites.A real SBR cracker.
@BoishaaiPa: Hahahaha! I can imagine the horror
@Grasshopper: Those are never nice. I have a painful memory from back in ’98 when Brent Russell tore Dale apart.The Selbornians ran onto the field after the final whistle blew, formed a circle around their 1st XV and chanted “DALE ABAFAZI, SELBORNE AMADODA!”.
@Speartackle: Ek wonder nou net of jou woord frightning eintlik frightening of fighting moes gewees het en of dit ‘n Spear woord vir ‘n kombinasie van die 2 is
@Playa: On Friday I did a search on my Explora, got all the rugby matches, scheduled the taping thereof and off I went. Sunday I sat down expecting to watch the Selborne vs Dale game only to find it wasn’t recorded…After a few tantrums I realized the match is only being played next weekend, but I scheduled it already for recording!..So I am awaiting that match as well!
@Rugger fan: What about the Greenstones chirp, you guys were not very happy about that. Kearsney could call Dixons, Greyhounds!
Ek hoor ook daar was n paar frightning calls deur die ref met die PRG vs Bishops wedstryd
@QC86: I am still coming to terms with the St Andrews loss…maybe I’ll work up some gas tomorrow. I see the game will be televised.Hoping for a great game of ruggas!
@Greenman: I’m not making light of parents heading onto the field, but what age group was this. I reckon the kid that got himself “gucci’d” is probably being teased 1/2 to death. The kid who’s mom did the dusting is probably also suffering a bit, I can just hear his mates ripping him a new … er …. handbag?
Someone with a sense of humour might have shouted “hey tjikkin, leave the boy, he’s too young for you ..”
@oupadejoostin: “Ek vra by voorbaat omverskoning vir tannie Stienie se optrede. Het dit nie beleef nie maar weet nie of ek moes lag of huil toe ek dit hoor nie!” Really! I rest my case your honor! Wonder what, taking cognisance of your earlier comment on interventions, you would have done if it was your child getting slapped around by another parent!
@Grasshopper: Yep – I left in 85 and WV were unheard of.
The likes of Linpark, Voortrekker, Northlands and Weston were all regular back then! Times definitely change.
@Rugger fan: Too true. All you have to show is your win loss ratio vs Westville and the stats do the talking. I still can’t believe College only started playing Westville on an annual basis from 1987, that was like yesterday!
@Grasshopper: Not sure about that – we’ll take it on the chin and let the record books do the talking!!
This year at their home field there was a FB photo at the end of the 1st XV game showing a clean sweep to College – and one College wag had to quip “at least we dont need to use this for our marketing”
Oh the joys of good clean rivalry – and the swapping of bottles of whisky every years between the various old boys.
@4×4: Gaan snuif pritt 4×4!! En koop ‘n “Ëtios” vir jou sommer ook, jou nar!!
@Rugger fan: I bet the Westville marketing brochure doesn’t mention the flu epidemic that broke out at College in the week prior to the game that saw the team decimated with even some 3rd team players playing 1st.
Sjoe… I had some meetings this morning… since I left quite a number of posts… Ek sien dit raak lekker warm in Augustus…
Ek gaan net terugsit en ontspan… dan moet julle manne mekaar lekker dik…
Hey – College received 2 big scores this year already (and another tough game this weekend)
And just look at the Westville marketing brochures to see how they love using their 50 points against College too. As Forrest Gump said – “It happens”
ALL it would take is an open day with John Smit, Brian Liebenberg & Chiliboy Ralapele (excuse the spelling) and the boys will come……get your prominent Old Boys involved and watch the talent come back. Offer only the best a 50% bursary, that is a R15k a year saving any parent would like.
@Playa: it’s the build up for the Selborne v Dale game,thought you would be full of gas by now.The troll might even come out of hiding now that the sun is shining and take some cheap shots at the Selborne kids.
Let me make it clear, I never once said PBHS was a rubbish school, I just said it’s a sad day when a once feared opponent loses by 50. Remember I was at Glenwood in the dark 90’s when we lost to College by 50 three years in a row. Glenwood was never written off then and so too PBHS won’t be now. However, times have changed (I don’t like it) and schools have to fight for talent tooth and nail. PBHS just need to get into the fight a little, no under handed tactics, just offer a few sporting bursaries. I know of a few kids already off to KES and St Johns when they were heading to PBHS…..
@Grasshopper: Agree!!! Deal with the issues and continue…don’t run away from them they will follow you even if you don’t play for trophy’s.
@Tang – sorry – on the 1st team game – I agree about the apparent lack of trust and basic belief. PBHS came out firing and were the better team for the first 15 odd minutes (going 6 nil up with a few drives at the College whitewash).
But my moment of the game that epitomised that PBHS lack of belief was when the College prop broke with the ball from about 35 m out. He charged down the middle of the field not really knowing waht to do (as a prop with an open try line tends to do – looking very out of place and totally clueless about what to do next
). But then he put his head down and made for the try line. A PBHS back line player (probably much faster on most days) chased after him – but almost did not know how to make that commitment to the tackle – or have the belief that he could bring the charger down.
It ended with the prop’s dream try – and was another swing the College way.
@QC86:
Eish!
@akw: Rugby quite often. Locally I think we get pretty well matched by Westville and Glenwood. Against Westville our 8th, and 9th and U16F had to fill up somewhere else. Against Glenwood our U16F and U14 E & F didn’t get games.
Against PBHS we didn’t field U15F and U14F as well as 10th, but that was probably College not having depth that could travel. We do have some mysterious ailments that sometimes crop up when faced with 15 hours in a bus
KES we filled up on 8th, 9th, 16F and 15F – but they probably also suffer from some travel fatigue – I know they were an open team short this year so the 7th match was cancelled as well.
I expect a full house against Grey this weekend, if Grey travel with their full complement. It’s the last fixture of the season and the last time our matrics play on Goldstones, so the boys will all show up for this one (well hopefully, there were some serious sniffles in the car going back this morning – horrible winter weather).
http://www.maritzburgcollege.org.za/sport/sport-fix-results/results
@Playa: morning,and how was your rugby weekend swaar
@Tang: Sorry – coming in late – yes I echo GT’s words – PBHS are by no means a spent force. Just look at that Menlo results post up above here – mostly losses – but a few close ones and then a scalp like Glenwood too. A bad season yes – the end of the school – NO! And the same for PBHS.
An awesome school – sure the 1st XV lost – but on the first round fixture – it was close to a 50/50 share of the spoils (I think only the 1sts and 7ths won from College)?? Sure this weekend was an anomaly (but then Westville did a clean sweep of Kearsney this year too – and Kearsney are certainly no slouches).
My take – get back to the drawing board – regroup – look what needs to change and improve – but no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. PBHS is and always has been an awesome occasion whether one is on the giving or receiving end of the score board.
BTW: the 1st XI hockey game was one of the most exciting finishes in any school boy sports match I’v watched for ages (and I know very little about hockey
) – the negative OBs, parents and others just need to take a deep breath and move forward. I look forward to the 2016 fixtures already.
@akw: Speel maar wat daar is, terwyl 5-8 spanne sit en tolle vleg. As jy weg speel, verwag die ergste, kry die ergste, kry dit oor en beweeg aan
@Playa: I know.
This is also the case in the Freestate, the WC and Natal.
It is only in Pta that it is a problem.
Probably because the schools here play to win.
@Vyfster: Ek vra by voorbaat omverskoning vir tannie Stienie se optrede. Het dit nie beleef nie maar weet nie of ek moes lag of huil toe ek dit hoor nie! Affies sien nie neer op ander nie en het selfs plek vir haar seun in die skool. Ek dink affies sal dit uitsort. Jy verstaan my kommentaar korrek. Dit gaan oor die sport en veral oor rugby. Affies het aan die reeks deelgeneem totdat die wen motief hand uit geruk het. Op die ander gebiede is die kompetisie gesond en wen of verloor, groot vriendskappe word gemaak. Atletiek is fantasties. Een jaar wen die een, ander jaar daardie een. Niks negatiefs gebeur op of af die baan nie. Sien uit na volgende jaar. Dit is hoe dit hoort.
@Grasshopper: It is because you play to win.
You cannot do this against Affies, as they are there for the participation award.
Tut tut…..
The question is, has anybody reported their issues with the games on Saturday to Trevor Kershaw? I can give you his email address if you wish. Glenwood doesn’t have these issues with other schools, obviously isolated issues happen at all schools..
@akw: It happens quite regularly in the EC especially when the boys’ schools play the smaller co-eds
@Gungets Tuft: Tx, I thought I was talking to myself.
Does MC have fixtures where all the rugby teams do not have a fixture?
Met die kwarteindstreide die naweek, mag die Sa skole spelers deelneem.
@oupadejoostin: Net dalk is dit Affies wat begin aansien en reputasie verloor…
@ Oupadejoostin: jy se baie waar goed, maar een van jou opmerkings moet darem in perspektief gestel word.
Ek haal aan…..”Affies stel nie belang om games of reekse te speel waar n beker of ander trofee, titel ens op die spel is nie.”
Julle was baie geesdriftige deelnemers aan die Admin/direkteurs/beeld trofee vir die 1ste amper 90 jaar van sy bestaan…..op julle webblad verkondig julle nog trots dat julle dit al 18 x gewen het…..dis net die laaste 8 jaar wat julle nie meer Beeld speel nie.
Jy noem Affies die skool (dus nie net rugby nie)….neem julle nie nog steeds elke jaar aan die A-bond interhoer atletiek deel nie (waar ‘n trofee op spel is), jy weet die een waar Helpmekaar se seuns span julle vanjaar(soos laasjaar) gewen het……ek kon sweer ek was by ‘n koorkompetisie waar Affies die trofee gewen het vir beste koor etc etc
Net omdat julle aan 1 rugbykompetisie onttrek het, beteken nie dat jul glad nie op vele ander terreine om trofees en bekers meeding nie.
Dit beteken ook nie dat julle verhewe en beter is bo al die ander ‘kommin’ Noordvaal skole wat wel beeld speel nie…..miskien bedoel jy dit nie so nie, maar jou opmerking kan maklik so vertolk word. Dit terwyl ons moet lees van aanhoudende gebeure tussen Glenwood en Affies wat ,wel, ietwat ‘kommin met ‘n k’ voorkom……ek meen ‘n tannie wat ‘n speler met haar handsak slaan
@akw: When playing at home it’s not that much of an issue – College fill up the offsets and gaps with other schools. On a DHS derby day at home we might play 6 different schools filling up hockey and rugby. Same happened at Northwood, 2nds played Port Natal, lower teams played Ashton and Weston. At Glenwood we filled up the lower hockey teams with Wartburg and St Charles, against Westville we had Linpark fill 2 lower fixtures.
It does give the organisers grey hairs though, lots of phone time getting it lined up.
@Djou: Jammer in die land kan ons weens die politiek nie “a spade a spade ” noem nie. Die kommunikasie van Affies is baie sleg en die spelers, ouers ens hoor meeste van die dinge eers na die tyd. Daar moet maar baie tussen die lyne gelees word. Die werklike redes word nie altyd/kan nie altyd weergee word nie.
@pietretief: Ja ek is ingelig en ek is bly dat jy bly is dat ek ingelig is.
Hoekom is daar 1200 seuns in Affies en nie in die ander skole nie? Hoekom het die ander skole meisies en Affies nie? Niksseggende vrae en verdien geen antwoord nie. Jou vraag se antwoord is voor-die-hand-liggend.
Djou…hoekom is skole so behep om teen Affies te speel? Daar is mos ander skole in Pretoria wat net soveel indien nie sterker opposisie kan bied nie?
As ek ‘n redelike afleiding kan maak uit die gemeenskaplike opinies op die blog, is Affies nie meer relevant in skolesport nie! Dus hoekom dan die bohaai?
@Djou: Ek dink Affies speel vir die genot. Of miskien vir die kardiovaskulere voordele van sport. Of die spanbou en vriendskap aspekte. Net nooit om te wen nie. Dis vuil en aanstootlik om te wil wen…..
Oupadejoostin…ek dink nie Affies sou laasjaar enige hond haaraf gemaak het met enige kompetisie nie. Wat ek egter nie verstaan nie is die rede waarom Affies besluit het om weer teen Pretoria skole in die Beeld Troffee se eerste ronde te speel, as hulle bewus is van die rugby politiek, dat skole via hulle agente kinders na wedstryde nader en dat die wen motief in Pretoria so groot geword het dat ouens soos Red Rose tog net die Prestasie van Menlo op ‘n blog kan weergee….my pa is groter as joune mentaliteit van ouers is juis hoekom dit gaan in Pretoria skole soos dit gaan.
Die bragging rights het gesonde kompeterende sport in toto oorgeneem en dit kan net voor die deur van skoolhoofde, BL en ouers geplaas word
@Djou: so bly jy is so goed ingelig. Aangesien jy als weet van al die skole in Pta, Hoekom is die a span so sterk en die res so swak? Of gaan skole rugby slegs oor die a spanne.
@oupadejoostin: |So wanneer het jy ‘n kenner geword van wat die motiewe is by ander skole soos Garsies, Menlo of Eldoraigne? Almal speel om te wen. Maar jy sal verbaas wees, die seuns speel dit ook omdat hulle dit geniet. Hulle speel nie net om Springbokke te word nie, want die meeste hou op na skool en gaan studeer of werk waar hul prioriteite verander.
Punt is Affies kan teen die ander skole in Pretoria speel as hulle wil. Dit is hul besluit. En indien nie, gee dan net die ware rede waarom hulle nie wil speel nie. Dan weet almal en dan is als verby.
@Djou: Dit is algemene inligting waar gewone skole met hul “eie” kinders teen Affies speel of wil speel, doen hulle dit met graagte krag teen krag. B span teen D span ens. Daar is baie voorbeelde daarvan en vind gereeld plaas. Menlo ongelukkig wil nou n krag in rugby word met sy tjekboek en wil omdat hy nou n A span het wat kan kompeteer met die groot honde wat oor jare reputasie opgebou het, krag teen krag speel in die A spanne maar ondertoe nie. Wen motief is dan erg skeef!!!! Mens kan nie met n tjekboek status of aansien koop nie. Soos met respek, dit moet verdien word.
Kloof het oor jare hard probeer om dit met rugby te doen wat julle nou besig is om te doen en dit het nie gewerk nie.
Die nadele wat daar mee saam gaan veroorsaak dat die skool n reputasie opbou, verkeerde elemente begin hand uit ruk en die skool beland meer op die koerante se voorblaaie as agter in die sport gedeeltes.
@oupadejoostin: Jy weet, ek en Affieouer het mekaar nou net gevind dan spring daar weer n geraamte uit die kas. Alhoewel jy probeer het om die bigger picture aan te spreek kon jy dit nie beperk nie en moes spesifiek wees Glenwood se mense en spelers en die vet tjekboek. Ek gee op man! Kry vir jou.
@oupadejoostin: Dis interessant, maar dit lyk my Affies is die gemene deler in al hierdie onsmaaklikhede waarna jy verwys tussen die skole.
So miskien is julle nie aan die kant van die engele nie….
En daar is altyd meer van ‘n vasberadenheid by skole om GCB te klop as Affies, en tog sukkel GCB nie met die probleem nie.
Ek dink jy moet weer dink oor wat jy geskryf het.
I am going to repeat myself…..
How do the Cape schools handle the issue of having enough teams, or not enough teams, to compete against each other?
And GCB plays against Louis Botha, Fichardtpark, Jim Fouche and Sentraal. Surely these schools have fewer teams than GCB?
Why is this a problem in Pta?
@Red Rose: Jy is reg, 3 Pretoria makro skole en dan 1 agteros skooltjie van Centurion, nl. Eldoraigne, wat darem ook so 2 spanne nog in die kompetisie het. Persoonlik dink ek gaan Eldo die moeilikste wedstryd he van al die Tshwane skole.
Ek skryf die kommentaar met gemengde gevoelens. Ek is baie bly vir Affies oor die wen maar wil nie op so manier wen of speel nie.
Dit is jammer die wedstryd tussen Affies en GW het weereens so uitgedraai.
Jaarliks is dit n tawwe game en goeie rugby word tog opgedis deur beide spanne. Dit is altyd n uitdaging om teen hulle te speel. As ek terug kyk na Affies se besluite in die verlede oor die tipe games, dink ek die einde van die derby tussen die skole is naby.
Affies se benadering is eenvoudig dat hulle rugby wil speel vir die genot daarvan en vir uitbouing van gesonde, mooi skole rugby. Sodra die wen motief skeef trek kan dit nie meer gesond wees nie en raak die nadele net meer as die voordele. Die gevolge ruk handuit en is onvoorspelbaar.
Oor ref’s kan ons seker boeke skryf maar kom ons laat dit daar.
Ek dink die afrigters en spelers het voor die tyd al geweet wat om te wagte te wees en moes hul maar hul gameplans aanpas. Onpartydigheid van refs is nie net op skole vlak n probleem nie maar strek internasionaal. Ons moet aanvaar dat afrigters en ouers kan niks daaromtrent doen tydens die game nie en na die tyd kan almal net kreun en kerm. Die geskreeu van die pawiljoen is dus niks werd en gaan die ref net verder negatief beinvloed.
Die skeidregters is die enigste persoon wat die game kan beheer en moet dus die skuld dra as dinge handuit ruk.
Ongelukkig Saterdag was daar GW persone (weet nie of hul ouers, afrigters, skoolhoofde, personeel, priesters….is nie) wat vanaf die hoof pawiljoen op die veld beweeg het en by aspekte betrokke geraak het. Een van hulle het halftyd by die 2des met die skeidsregter gaan praat in die middel van die veld. Kan nog nie besluit of dit beter of slegter gegaan het die tweede halfte nie. Weet nie wie en wat hy is nie en ook nie wat hy gepraat het nie, ek dink nie hy is n afriger nie MAAAAAAR dit is nie toelaatbaar nie. Hy en sy vriend of kollega het ook by die 1stes betrokke geraak reg voor die hoof pawiljoen waar daar n onderonsie was tussen die spelers en waar die ref met gevoude hande moes staan en wag dat die seuns die dinge moet uitsort. Hy kan ook nie tussen beide tree en fisies poog om hul uit mekaar te kry nie!!!! Ons weet nie wie hul is nie en ook nie wat hul intensies is nie MAAAAR as ons toelaat dat toeskouers vanaf die pawiljoen betrokke raak by die spel om watter eerbare rede ook al, is dit n resep vir moeilikheid. Hulle kan nie aan die kinders begin ruk en pluk en poog om hulle uit mekaar te hou nie. So maklik kan iewers iets fout gaan, iemand struikel en val of n vasgryp word vertolk as n hou en of n beweging tref die verkeerde teiken….Ai mense, die reel is bly van die veld af en laat die spelers self die dinge uitsort saam met die ref. Miskien moet die waaghals n bord op sy rug vasmaak wat aandui wie hy is en wat sy intensies is, maar as hy aan van daardie kwaai toeskouers se kinders gaan raak, gaan hy homself blootstel aan moeilikheid. Die reel by Affies se spelers is dat waar ook al n geruk en pluk of stamp en stoot op die veld is, moet nie slaan nie. Vuishoue is taboe. Om die een of ander rede geld die reel nie by GW nie en beantwoord hulle vuur met vuur. Affies was duidelik nie engeltjies Saterdag nie maar hoekom is dit jaar na jaar die uiteinde by die GW games.
Geen vriendskap bande is die naweek gesmee nie en die nadele om daar te gaan speel raak meer as die voordele, die eksterne faktore kan nie beheer word nie, is baie sleg vir skole rugby en die derby moet dus ernstig heroorweeg word. Miskien moet GW sy vet tjekboek gebruik om sy veld en pawiljoen op standaard te kry waar die speelveld afgesonder kan word. Die veld is te naby aan pawiljoen en toeskouers het te maklik toegang tot spelers.
Affies het vir lank nie teen WaterKloof gespeel nie oor soortgelyke dinge op en af die veld.
Vir die ander voorstelle om games teen Garsfontein, Menlo ens te speel? Dieselfde geld vir games teen hulle waar die wen motief uit verband geruk word. Party skole ruk hand uit en ken nie hul perke nie.
Affies stel nie belang om games of reekse te speel waar n beker of ander trofee, titel ens op die spel is nie. Om te wys wie die beste in PTA of die noorde is, is dus nie op hul agenda nie en kan julle maar games teen hulle vir eers ook vergeet. Die enigste plek waar so game wel sal plaasvind is moontlik op n toernooi soos Wildeklawer ens. Die toernooie word ongelukkig n jaar vooruit beplan, so die skole wat nou en dan n goeie koop doen en n goeie jaar beleef, gaan moeilik die volgende jaar weer kompeterend wees.
Laasjaar het Affies wel bv in n plaaslike reeks gespeel om games teen
die voorstedelike skole in te pas, maar was op nie amptelike vlak en het nie deur beweeg na uitspele en finale nie.
@Djou: Noted! Agree! let’s move on…to the Beeld trophy Blog!!
@pietretief:
Piet Retief, asseblief man, jou weergawe van die feite is nou die soveelste nuwe weergawe. Daar is ‘n blog met meer as 1000 posts met ‘n klomp weergawes wat verskil.
AbsolutMenlo is korrek in die weergee van feite. Dit help nie om iets te verdraai om jouself te pas. Jy gee jou integriteit in die proses weg en beledig jou skool daarmee saam.
2014 – Affies request to play Pretoria Macro schools who participate in the Beeld trophy – up to the knock out round stage. So they also played Eldoraigne and Centurion – following the loss against Waterkloof early in the season.
2014 – Affies cancelled Garsies (u/19 issue + others – both which turned out not to be true).
2014 – Affies cancelled Menlo (they rescheduled the match after the rain’s interference).
2014 – Affies confirm they will play Menlo 2015 – Fact
2015 – Affies don’t want to play Menlo because of number of teams and A vs B team issue.
Yes, Menlo wanted Affies C to play their B teams. Why is Affies/you against this practice? Do you want a team to lose by 100 points? Is that it? Do you want to brag about it? If not, then let C play B?
@Red Rose: Geluk en sterkte aan al die Pretoria spanne!!
Murrayfield…vermaak ons met jou antwoord waarom Menlo dan slegs 9 spanne aan Affies kon gee, en julle sukkel om ‘n onder 16B span by mekaar te kon skraap?
Voorts ook waarom julle versoek het dat die B spanne nie op ‘n krag tot krag basis moes deelneem nie, maar dat Affies se C/D spanne teen julle B-spanne moes deelneem?
En dan wat jou opmerking rakende Menlo rugby kennis aanbetref was dit tog jy wat met groot smaak verduidelik het wat Menlo se ethos is en hoe Onesport inpas by Menlo.
@Djou: Maybe Affies decided to only play against older schools, so those established before a certain date to ensure similar traditions applied, not sure. I do know Garsies, Menlo and Eldo are pretty new schools. OR maybe they only play boys only schools?
I bet Glenwood will drop out of the Top 30 now due to the 2 point loss to the No4 side..
Guys stop the AffieOuer bashing.
Affies’ school governing body must decide whether they want to play against the other schools in Pretoria. Currently they only play against Waterkloof and PBHS.
If they want to, they can play against Garsies, Menlo and Eldoraigne. They clearly decided against playing the three schools. Only they know why!
The reason can’t be the number of teams as Waterkloof does not provide them with full participation. In addition, Affies play at Wildeklawer and the Easter Festivals where only A teams participate. Furthermore, in other regions such as the Cape, macro schools play other schools in the Cape not with all their teams. And in Bloem Grey plays against other schools – again with mostly A and B teams. And in KZN the top schools play other schools with A and B teams. All of them make arrangements for their other teams in the same way Affies does.
But, the fact remains that it is only in Pretoria where a school fronts the number of teams as the reason for not playing other schools. So, does this school consider itself to be better than the others? I really can’t believe this to be true.
So, Affies, please provide us with the real reason. Or get the governing body to change its decision.
The Rose is Back…
Geluk aan Menlopark, Waterkloof en Garsfontein wat betrokke is die naweek by die Beeld Kwartfinaal.
Makro A afdeling
Menlopark x 4 spanne
Garsfontein x 4 spanne
Waterkloof x 3 spanne.
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Geluk ook aan Menlopark wat vir die 2 jaar as die nommer 1 Makro skool in Pretoria geeindig het, volgens die ligas. ” Affies is nie deel van die liga nie “
@Murrayfield: Tuks reeks sal fantasties wees!
Sterkte aan al 4 Menlo spanne in die Beeld kwartfinaal!!
@AbsolutMenlo: Dankie!! Suggesties word weer gemaak oor Menlo! Die 2016 Tuks reeks sal ons volgende “move”wees!
Rugbyman, dankie vir die openbaring oor Menlo se eerstespan uitslae!! Ek sien lig daarin!!! (LOL)
4×4 dankie vir jou innerlike kennis van Menlo, rugby kwyn nie by Menlo, jy is besig om spoke op te jaag!!
Nee kyk ouens ons het nou genoeg tyd voor die keybord gespandeer en om en om in sirkels gegaan. Kom ons stem saam dat rugby steeds almal van ons se harte vinniger laat klop en dat dinge van die oomblik in die groter prentjie maar nietig lyk. Soos @greenman tereg voorstel – kom ons gaan kyk Saterdag rugby en wees deel van die verandering wat ons wil sien.
Daarmee oor en uit….geniet die aanloop na ‘n volgende naweek se rugby en mag die mammies in pers rokke laat slaap of verslaap
@Greenman: Vat so katvis! Ek is beindruk met die pragtige Afrikaans. Well done sir!!
Die game is bigger than us and will be there long after we gone!
@beet: When can I get a jersey? Its bloody cold man!
@Grasshopper: Just don’t show Affieouer this post – he’ll fully expect snipers on the roof in 2 years time.
Meneer Affieouer – all in jest bru.
@pietretief: You are like a Zuma minister trying to defend Nkandla.
@kosie: @Rugbyman: Julle so heeltemal reg. Ek het nog nooit gesien dat die ouers se beledigings die skeidsregter beter laat blaas het nie. Wat ek wel sien is dat die seuns, wat pa duidelik hoor (verseker), glo dat die skeidsregter wel doen wat pa insinueer en dan daarop reageer. Moet ook nie vir my se dit is net op seker derby’s nie. Dis altyd wanneer daar verloor word is dit die ref. Wanneer daar gewen word was dit n great game. Hipocrates deluxe! Manne, terwille van die sport en kinders, dit wat jy se en is is die voorbeeld wat hulle eendag moet navolg. Jy dra jou stempel op jou kind oor en nie die skeidsregter nie. Probeer volgende keer die manne aanspreek rondom jou (hulle is bekend) of gaan groepsdruk en daardie moontlikheid dat jy nie meer “in” is nie jou legende wees by hulle eerder as jou kind. Was self so tot my seun eendag na my gekyk het, kop geskud het en aan gespeel het. Serious introspek en doen dit nie meer nie. My dokter se ook dat my gesondheid baie verbeter het veral die hartkloppings
@AffieOuer: That’s why I said AffieOuer re-considered and not Affies per se. Fact!
Het ook heelwat Affie pelle en ons skerts ook hieroor.
@AbsolutMenlo: weet jy – miskien moet jy nou nou jou geld vir die dag begin verdien of oplet in die klas? Jy maak wilde ongegronde bewerings en jou onderrrok hang uit! Ek het verskeie kere gister op hierdie blog uitgewys dat my verwysing na die GW fixture en die toekoms daarvan my eie opinie is as ‘n rugby ouer. Jou sogenaamde “feit” is “flawed”.
Jy klink nou na een van daai ouers … gerunnik van ‘n perd…..
Ek gaan na die respons nie verder op jou ag slaan nie, jou gedrag sal menige parkies se oë laat rol want jy is baie ver van die tipiese Menlo ouer/pelle wat ons het.
2014 – Affies request to play Pretoria Macro A – not Fact – Affies request to play against the schools not in the competition.
2014 – Affies cancelled Garsies (u/19 issue + others)- Fact / Fact
2014 – Affies cancelled Menlo (exams) – not fact – the rain did that for us all when the game was scheduled, not when people tried to reschedule it.
2014 – Affies confirm they will play Menlo 2015 – Fact
2015 – Affies don’t want to play Menlo because of number of teams – Which Menlo changed, if you want to play Affies with 9 teams then play, A against A and B against B, not B against D.
2015 – AffieOuer reconsider playing GW because of his 4 year bad experiences i.e. behaviour issues, refs etc. – Fact / Personal feeling.
Menlo is not perfect – Fact – which school is.
unfortunately your personal feelings against affies are clouding your judgment, you must have gotten a couple of good klappe from the affie boys in your school days.
2014 – Affies request to play Pretoria Macro A – Fact
2014 – Affies cancelled Garsies (u/19 issue + others)- Fact
2014 – Affies cancelled Menlo (exams) – Fact
2014 – Affies confirm they will play Menlo 2015 – Fact
2015 – Affies don’t want to play Menlo because of number of teams – Fact.
2015 – AffieOuer reconsider playing GW because of his 4 year bad experiences i.e. behaviour issues, refs etc. – Fact
Menlo is not perfect so I don’t think Affies will consider playing us in the future.
The last two years we play Grey Bloem with our 12-14 teams.
@AffieOuer: @4×4: die probleem wat bsuluutstrontpraat het is dat hy so graag teen affies wil speel en nie weet hoe of wanneer nie, gaan net na die weke toe en vra die manne wat reel. Gelukkig en ongelukkig het affies n besluit geneem om al hul seuns kans te gee om n sport te beoefen vir wat ons almal so lief is.
En ja hulle reel vir die laer spanne ook wedstryde teen ander skole maar probeer om op saterdae almal te akkomodeer.
Miskien kan menlo met n voorstel kom en nog n skool nader om affies te speel. Dink op die oomblik is affies redelik gelukkig met hoe hulle bepalings lyk.
@4×4: partykeer is die beste medisyne om ‘n stoute kind in die hoek te sit en hom vir ‘n rukkie te ignoreer sodat hy tyd het om te DINK
@Gungets Tuft: http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/target-shooting-report-10
Not just a rugga school :-)
@4×4: Alles gebaseer op ware feite!
Miskien moet jy verder ondersoek gaan doen oor die beurs beurs “ek verneem” storie…dan kan ons feite bespreek.
AbsolutMenlo…redelike stupid opmerking van jou. Dalk tyd om jou naam te verander van AbsolutMenlo na AbsolutStrontpraat?!!
Sover my kennis strek en wat voorheen op die blog beaam is, het Menlo die jaar onttrek omdat hulle nie ‘n onderneming gestand kon doen met betrekking tot die hoeveelheid spanne wat hulle in die veld sou stoot nie.
Dalk is dit tyd dat Menlo introspeksie en voorraad neem na die rede waarom hulle getal rugby spelers so kwyn…dalk te doen met werwing wat seuns ontmoedig om rugby te speel omdat die besef daar is dat hulle nie teen beurshouers kan kompeteer nie?
@Gungets Tuft: luckily that doesn’t apply to Glenwood as they focusing on all extra curricular program :-)
In navolging op my vorige post sal ek darem die verwagting skep dat indien die skool waar die seuns ‘n beurshouer is, kennis dra dat die skoolkoshuis gesluit is gedurende die vakansie, hulle self behoort te vergewis na die welstand van die kinders wat in die provinsiale spanne speel, want as die kinders se tweede wining gesluit is, waar moet hulle dan gehuisves word.
Die Bulle se verantwoordelikheid is begin blykbaar slegs op die week, en die ouers van die kinders.moet voor die week omsien na die welstand van die seuns. In die geval van kinders in ‘n koshuis sou ek die mening toegedaan wees dat die skool in songeval in loco parentis optree
U@Rugbyman: Jy is reg. Swak gedrag kan nie voor die deur van beurse geplaas word nie. As dit so was sou elke skool omtrent onregeerbaar gewees het. Die probleem is eerder sekere ouers wat nie kan of wil glo dat ander spanne dalk beter of sterker is nie.
Ouers wat glo hul kind is in die beste span in die wereld en dis net ‘n kwessie van tyd voor hy sy buiging vir die bokke gaan maak.
@AffieOuer: Dan is daar ook skeidsregters wat dalk die erns van elke wedstryd nie begryp nie en dus nie behoorlike beheer neem van situasies nie. En dan;
Mede ouers wat nie ‘n “perd” (soos Rugbyman dit noem) se gerunik sal stil maak op die pawiljoen nie maar eerder in stilte dit toelaat omdat dit ongemaklik is om iemand van dieselfde span aan te vat.
@AffieOuer: Maybe Affies should make it clear that they only play against perfect teams with perfect parents, perfect referees, no u/19’s, outside exam and with enough teams.
@Grasshopper: There are absolutely extra bursaries offered. It’s how the money is applied that counts.
Example –> http://www.collegefoundation.co.za/j30/index.php/joomlaxtc/125-update-college-boy-in-need
We’ve had this debate, there’s nothing else to add, but I stand by my statement, the next 5 years will reveal whether the level of financing of 1st and A-team rugby teams is sustainable and desirable.
I hope I’m wrong, but I see the hyper-focus on one sport from a financial and “marketing” support point-of-view leading to a decline in participation and skill level in other sports, and then a decline in rugby participation itself as a manic pursuit of winning (national rankings etc) trump the fun and camaraderie of simple participation.
Beurse.Beurse. Beurse. Ek het al voorheen die vraag gevra of dit werklik in belang van ‘n kind is en of net ‘n middel tot ‘n skool se strewe na erkenning.
Ek was bitter teleurgesteld toe ek verneem het dat ‘n beurshouer by een van die Pretoria skole op homself aangewese moes wees gedurende die oefenweek wat die Grant Como rugbyweek voorafgegaan het. Wat veronderstel is om sy tweede woning te wees, synde die skool koshuis, is gesluit gewees vir die skool vakansie en dis Bulle Rugby Unie, maak blykbaar nie voorsiening vir die rugbyspelers ten aansien van akkomodasie nie.
Die gevolg was dat die seun blykbaar met vergunning van Affies aanvanklik in een van hulle koshuise gealkomodeer is en later het ‘n ouerpaar van een van die Affie Seuns hulle oor die kind ontferm. Die kind was gelaat met R 100.00 en moes wag want sy “sakgeld” was nog nie inbetaal nie.
Affieouer….is jy bekend met die storie en steek daar enige waarheid in. As dit die geval is sal my opinie dat beurse net ‘n middel tot ‘n skool se doel is, nooit verander nie!
@AffieOuer: miskien moet ons n geel en rooikaart stelsel vir ouers ook instel
Op n ernstiger noot …. Die emosies word dikwels aangevuur waar skeidsregters nie beheer vat v wedstryde nie. Saterdag het ons n geval gehad waar die skeidsregter arms gevou gestaan en toekyk het! Dit het ouers v beide skole warm onder die kraag gehad. Wanneer n skeidsregter vroeg stempel afdruk kalmeer emosies en dan jol die ouens rugby.
@Rugbyman: ja toegegee. Ek stem saam oor die swak gedrag v ouers. Van dit word ongelukkig aangehits waar skeidsregters nie beheer vat v situasies nie en toekyk op n afstand. Wat die beurse betref moet ek herken daar is beurse en beurse! Dit is eerder die bepalings v sommige beurse wat die bron v kwaad is. Ons het al voorheen daaroor hier op d blog gesels. Sommige beurse plaas n swaard oor kinders se koppe wat ongesonde druk veroorsaak. Soos alles in die lewe is dit dikwels nie die WAT nie maar die HOE wat die probleem is.
@Gungets Tuft: well schools have been giving bursaries out for decades, it’s the number that has increased and they are certainly not all rugby, that would be putting ones eggs into one basket. Also they certainly not all 100% either. The goal is to get allrounders, good at a few sports and academically sound. I still do not believe College don’t give out more than 10, maybe those are the public ones. There will be many more privately funded boys. Keeping Old Boys involved and happy will help schools causes in the long run…
@AffieOuer: Sjoe… ek dink nie jy kan alles voor die deur van beurse gooi nie… ek meen beurse is al vir jarrrrrrre deel van rugby… selfs by jou geliefde skool ook… ek stem saam met @Greenman: jy slaan die spyker op die kop… ek het saterdag byvoorbeeld die menlo vs marais viljoen game as ‘n neutrale toeskouer gaan bywoon… die goed wat op die pawiljoen van beide kante af geskree word is skrikwekkend! En dis nie geïsoleerd tot enige skool nie… ek het dit al orals gehoor slefs by garsies ook… affies… waterkloof… EG…. orals gebeur dit… en sondag oggend sit daai selfde perd voor in die kerk met sy pak aan… ek dink ons as ouers stel n swak voorbeeld… die kinders speel maar net die game!
Ja , ek stem gedeeltelik saam…..Dok Craven het destyds al gewaarsku en geveg teen professioniele rugby….Craven week was veronderstel om fees wedstryde te wees, as hy sy sin gekry het het hul nie eers telling gehou nie.
Maar ons leef in nuwe era en moet maar daarby aanpas…..dis net of alles bietjie oorboord gegaan het…..miskien sal ons die regte balans vorentoe weer vind.
Daar is nog ‘n ding wat my geweldig irriteer van senior rugby, en ek sien op TV dit het nou by sommige skole se rugby inslag gevind…….As daar ‘n strafskop na ‘n skrum toegeken word….dan high-five en druk en raps die spelers mekaar eers op die boude vir 5 minute…..selfde as ‘n penalty na ‘n ruck toegeken word…I mean what is that all about? It’s simply ridiculous…….en as ‘n drie gedruk word, genade,dis ‘n gedrukkery en omhelsery en soentjies…..kyk maar na enige springbok toets voor 1990….na elke drie draai spelers om en draf terug middellyn toe….but not now, no sirree…..en dit is aaklig om te sien hoe skoolseuns hulle voorbeeld volg.
Anyway, laat ons nie die baba met die badwater uitgooi nie..daar is niks verkeerd met goeie gesonde kompetisie nie…..maar die pendulum het te ver oorgeswaai…ek glo al meer mense begin dit besef en dit sal hopelik terugswaai om die regte balans te kry
The game was and will always be competitive it is the nature of the beast and one of the reasons we love the game. It is the schools, coaches and parents responsibility to advocate respect and sportsmanship on and off the field.
We’ve got a saying…In wen en verloor laat die Parkie sy spoor.
See Bart Schoeman has posted some of the 2016 Lions contracted players. Quite a few from PBH. What happend to the story that only WP contracted players can make the CW side?
Green Man…. Google ditd. Jou wêreld sal oopgaan.
@4×4: dis algemeen? Regtig? Waar? Nog nooit gehoor dat n ouer n kind slaan op die rugby veld nie. In elk geval nie in n opgevoede vooraanstaande gemeenskap nie. Miskien sou dit van pas wees as die skole die ouers bietjie kondisioneer en verduidelik waaroor dit nou eindelik gaan.@AffieOuer: sou jy saamstem hartseer oor die rugby nie maar oor ons as ouers se voorbeeld. Was ook in daai hoofpawiljoen. Doen jouself n guns en luister bietjie na jou naastes. Ek doen. Eish!
Vyfster… MY ondervinding is dat derbies wat interprovinsiaal plaasvind nie noodwendig die groot hype oplewer nie omdat daar geen bragging rights aan kleef nie. Die wedstryde wat ek die jaar van Affies gekyk het op DSTV het by my die indruk gelaat dat die seuns skoon harde rugby speel. Ek kan myself nie daaraan herhinner dat daar enige geelkaarte was in die wedstryde nie en was daar ook nie 25000 toeskouers om die Affies v Paarl Gim wedstryd te kyk nie.
Ek dink die hardlopery op die veld na die wedstryd is eie aan plaaslike derbies soos die tussen Paarl Gim en Booishaai waar daar heel duidelik ‘n verwagting geskep word by die’ old boys’ dat die wedstryd die alfa en omega is.
In dieselfde asem verstout ek my dat dit ook die rede is waarop GCB se rugby die jaar volgens die ringkoppe in die old boys klub die hoogste sport bereik het nie, maar is dit juis die inmenging van die old boys wat die blaam moet dra.
Ek wonder soms of die Glenwood-Affies Derby se geniepsigheid gedurende die wedstryde nie gebore word uit ou laerskool strydbyle wat nie begrawe kan word nie. Dit is ‘n feit dat Glenwood baie beurs werwing doen vanuit Pretoria skole, en daarmee saam kom pappie en mammie se ego om tog aan die wêreld te verkondig dat boetie’ n beurs het en die volgende Springbok gaan wees, dus moet boetie so bietjie ekstra inklim sodat hy die restant van die familie tog net kan bewys dat hy nou ‘n mooi groot en sterk seun geword het.
@Vyfster: Ek gaan nou n stelling maak wat dalk heelwat reaksie kan uitlok maar ek dink eerder die wen motief word gedryf deur rankings en beurse. Ek het op n slag geleentheid gehad om met n seun daaroor te praat. Hy was n beurs in Gr8 aangebied en sou onder normale omstandighede nie geleentheid gehad het om dié skool by te woon nie. Hy het vermeld dat hy n besering opgedoen het 0/14 en 0/15 en onder groot druk was om tydens die wedstryd teen ons te presteer of hy sou sy beurs kwyt wees. Erger nog was die feit dat dié skool sy enigste skool was wat hy geken het maar noodgedwonge sou moes v afsien in die afwesifheid v prestasie op die rugbyveld. Daardie aand het ek op my knieë gegaan en dankie gesê dat ek nie nodig gehad het om my kind onder daai tipe druk geleenthede te probeer gee nie.
@4×4: ek kan nie meer met jou saamstem nie. ek is egter oortuig dat daar ondersoek ingestel sal word na die insident aangesien die skool ongelukkig daarby geimpliseer word. Groot jammerte…
Green Man… I believe that the mommy incident is not an isolated incident and is surely not reserved. Surely a school cannot be held responsible for incident of individual parents?
It is a bit with disappointment that some of the bloggers suggest that PBHS should invest in a bursary scheme to advance their rugby program. I for one firmly believe that same is the root why the game has become so very competitive, as it create a winning at all cost ethos within a school .
Miskien is PBHS se beleid tog op lang duur die beste
@Greenman: dankie ons is veilig tuis. Soos vroeer gesê weerhou ek my opinie oor n insident waarvan ek nie eerstehands getuie was nie. Ek het nog altyd enige vorm v wangedrag veroordeel. As j mooi gaan lees sal j sien ek het melding daarvan gemaak. Daar was verskeie insidente maar ek is nie hier om modder te gooi of om elkeen t bespreek nie, dit sou geen doel dien in die afwesigheid v feite nie.
Geskiedenis en ervaring het my al geleer daar is 2 weergawes en erens tussen in die waarheid. Ek het absoluut vertroue dat die aangeleentheid ter sprake behoorlik ondersoek en hanteer sal word. My kommentare vandag was eerder gerig op wat ek op die rugbyvelde en hoofpawiljoen sien afspeel het en DIT was hartseer!
@Affieouer: Ek verstaan wat jy se, en dit pas goed in by my punt….
Ek dink destyds het die Dok Affies aan Beeld ontrek 1stens om meer jaarlikse interskole teen groot skole oor die land te speel, waar al julle spanne kan kans kry om te speel……maar OOK omdat daar gevoel is die wenmotief te nb geword het in die strewe om ‘n trofee te wen, en dit tot allerhande onsmaaklike insidente op en af van die veld lei…..dus sal jul voortaan vriendskaplike derbies speel soos ware gentleman……maar lyk my presies die teenoorgestelde het gebeur, dis asof dit nog nber is om te wen in die tipe wedstryde en as ek jou en greenman etc se beskrywings lees klink dit maar rof en geensins die moeite werd nie.
Ek kan ook (met respek) verwys na die interskole gister tussen Boishaai en Gim…..daardie stormloop op die veld van die toeskouers, (nogal voor eindfluitjie) ….ek het nog nooit soiets in sulke getalle gesien nie…..hoewel ek dit aanvanklik amusant gevind het, moet mense besef dat 1 ou wat struikel en val, 20 ander wat bo oor hom hardloop en val….. daar kon maklik ‘n sterfte of 2 gewees het……mense wat met my verskil, kan gerus net weer na die tv opname van daardie laaste minuut kyk, dit verskil nie soveel van sekere stormlope/saamdrommings in verlede in sokker wedstryde wat wel tot heelwat sterftes gelei het, geen spel is dit werd nie.
Ek se dit nie om te kritiseer nie, maar dit lyk of die wenmotief veel groter in sulke tipe wedstryde is as in enige Beeldtrofee wedstryd wat ek al ooit bygewoon het…….daar is net meer passie, geweldige hype rondom die groot derbies, meer druk op die spelers, verwagtinge van old boys ens dat dit eintlik onafwendbaar is……ek het al heelwat Beeldtrofee finale bygewoon en dit lyk soos ‘n sondagskoolpiekniek in vergelyking……
Ek weet jy sal nou se dit is net teen Glenwood en selfde probleme word nie ervaar teen se MC of GCB nie…..maar ek het nogal gehou daarvan om van julle groot wedstryde by te woon toe ek in Pta gebly het……my ondervinding was meestal positief, maar ek het ook al agtergekom hoe tighter ‘n game is, hoe meer sulke insidente sien jy….en ek het al ‘n paar rowwe dinge gesien teen ander skole van beide partye af…..dit is wel ‘n klein minderheid en optrede van ‘n paar individue is sekerlik nie die skole se skuld nie……maar dit is wragties darem nie net teen Glenwood wat sulke dinge gebeur nie.
Anyway, miskien moet ons almal maar herbesin en ons prioriteite regkry…..geen sport is die onsmaaklikhede werd nie, en miskien moet ons nie soveel druk op ons kinders plaas nie
@Grasshopper: I think the jury is still out on wholesale bursary offers. The money might be available in the short or medium term, but how much is there available to fund 15 – 20 rugby bursaries each age group – that’s 60 – 75 rugby bursaries at about R80k each. R4.8 million a year. Just rugby. What happens to that when/if it turns out that rugby is not the marketing tool that keeps the school from falling into the abyss. I suspect the next 5 years is going to show us.
@Babbelas: Sad but true, the mommy incident. Ask Marius Jonker who refereed the game. I am sure we will hear more about it.
@AffieOuer: Jy is miskien heeltemal reg. Dis is ver om te ry en dan frustreerd by die huis terug te kom. Miskien is jy ook reg dat Affies maar vir Derby’s Noord moet kyk. Die probleem bly egter dat maak nie saak waar jy gaan nie daar moet nog steeds skeidsregters wees. Dieselfde as daar in Durban. Hulle het nog steeds geelkaarte en rooi karate in hulle sak. Verder, die skeidsregters op A span vlak word nie van die straat afgekry nie. Hulle moet parkties en teoretiese toetse afle om te kwalifiseer as skeidsregters. Die problem is egter dat daar meer kundigheid in die pawiljoen en langs die veld is. Die kundigheid is ook heel dikwels selektief en die res is maak nie saak nie. Die groot probleem is ons as ouers se verwagtinge van ons kinders. n Verloor kan net nie geduld word nie en ons kondisioneer hulle so. Indien dit wel gebeur, moet iemand anders die skuld kry. Die sad part is dat die kinders net wil rugby speel en soos gentlemans erken as die een span op die dag beter was. Hulle skud hande en gesels te lekker daarna. Maar nie ons as ouers nie. Interesant dat jy nie n opmerking maak oor die ma storie nie. As ouer moes jy seker teen nou daarvan gehoor het. Vriendelike groete en hoop jy het veilg gery!
@Gungets Tuft: a response I expected from you. I agree PBHS is the best gov school in Gauteng and the academics points to that. Swimming is immense, hockey good & cricket up there. I agree rugby is not the be all and end all of a school, hence me always pointing out Glenwood’s achievements outside of rugby. Two boys off to the youth Olympics, Damon Kesaris (only men’s tennis player) and Isemonger in swimming. We also recently beat Westville 10-0 at chess (i await the comments). Unfortunately in the real world a successful rugby programme attracts athletes, not just rugby but other sports. Rugby players tend to be good at other sports too. PBHS should start with bursaries to get the ball rolling, the rest will take care of itself.
If it was Glenwood boys causing off the ball incidents then its completely against the manners, beliefs & ethos of the school. The school prides itself in its discipline record & ensuring all are treated with respect. I doubt TK or TP would be happy with these sorts of accusations and will investigate each ‘incident’…
@Tang: Boet, don’t lose heart, you don’t need it, nor do your boys. A poor season doesn’t define a school.
It’s hard to pinpoint where internet wrong yesterday. Your pack was competitive in the tight stuff, they were great in the loose, your loosies won a lot of ball on the ground. At the back your inside centre was very good, pacey and elusive. Your back line was the weak link yesterday, but it’s hard to figure why. They’ve got pace, decent hands, but something’s not gelling there. I think they just don’t trust each other. On defense they were exposed out wide. Guma got 3, each one I thought was defense where the backs didn’t trust the man in their inside to do their job, they were 1/2 committed to their inside and not marking their man. One of the College tries I felt was a fortunate award by ref and assistant ref, if it wasn’t two movements then it was a very very slow placement of the ball on the line.
What you should all take as a positive is the way your other open teams competed. College have been strong in the 2nds to 10’s this year, your boys were properly up for it, close scores. The seconds and thirds was much much closer than the scores showed. The age group scores also showed strength that the old boys and parents are not giving them credit for.
I was disappointed when following PBHS on Twitter and saw some negative comments from followers. Now is the time to pull together, not criticize. You’ve appointed a director of rugby, let him get to work. Damage control now, team building, identifying coaching structures.
I’ve no real comment on the bursaries. College do offer, not as many as 30 a year and even then they’re not just rugby. I think there’s a double edged sword there. Offer too many bursaries, and ship boys in from far and wide and you risk permanently damaging your local support base. It’s important that PBHS carry on turning out 24+ teams each week. Drop your participation by discouraging participation and I believe it’s the beginning of problems.
There’s nothing wrong with PBHS, you have magnificent boys and a great ethos. Your schools mission should not be to turn out an all conquering rugby team, but to turn out men of distinction. I have met a lot of your boys over the last 5 years and you are succeeding at that. Rugby at first team level is a small facet that can be fixed very quickly, it’s a problem this year not a symptom of a fall from being a powerhouse
@CyndiAtRugby: as i said before this fixture brings out the worst in ALL involved. It is a sad affair but one that ALL parties should take responsibility for. It is unfortunate as there are many incidents which I would refrain from discussing. I have many friends at GW, really good ones but we all agree that the current reality is dismal.
@AffieOuer: I have read your comments and feel it would be remiss of me to not comment.
I have no idea why there are so many off the ball incidents between Glenwood and Affies. I had typed up a number of reasons why this could be but decided against publishing it.
I would, however, like to commend the coach who asked a parent to refrain from berating the ref and to stop using the language he was using. I would also like to commend the one war cry leader who kept asking the supporting boys from encroaching on the field of play and had words with those yelling abuse and swearing at the players.
I had been looking forward to hosting 2 boys for the last time. Unfortunately their behaviour left a lot to be desired.
Dis regtig jammer dat die punt wat ek probeer maak het vanoggend na baie versigtige woordkeuse verlore geraak het in n sinnelose modder gooiery en kritiek…
Ek wil graag die punt gemaak het dat n kragmeting waar “van die bal af” spel elke wedstryd oorheers, gevolg deur n rits geelkaarte tot n onaangename ervaring lei, veral as dit herhaaldelik gebeur. Dit dien nie die gees v rugby nie en as n ouer het ek die nodigheid v so n fixture bevraagteken. Vra jouself of jy onder die omstandighede jou seun jaar na jaar daaraan sou wou blootstel.
Jammer manne maar julle mis die punt as julle dink dit gaan oor Affies en die kanselleer v wedstryde. Kruisig my as ouer as julle wil, maar vir eens los die skool hier uit. Daar is geen voorstel deur die skool gemaak nie. Ek het eerder as n rugby ouer wat lief is vir die game aangedui dat die game in sulke omstandighede nie werd is om gespeel te word nie, ongeag die opponent!
@Speartackle: love that one! Boff not both…
Come here both of you three
@Babbelas: I like to be wearing a jean pants! Follow me I’m right behind you!
@OudAffie: Ek kan nie met jou saamstem nie. Het gaan kyk na die uitslae van spanne soos PRG, Stellenberg, Bishops, Wynberg, HJSP en Rondebosch.
PRG v HJSP is byvoorbeeld 25 wedstryde, maar teen Rondebosch is slegs 17 gespeel.
Rondebosch het teen Tygerberg (10), Bellville (10) en De Kuilen (9) gespeel, alhoewel hulle 17 spanne het.
Bishops het 9 wedstryde gehad teen Brackenfell, maar 20 teen HJSP.
In sommige gevalle, soos PRG teen Stellenberg het Monument Park ook teen PRG gespeel en was daar 21 wedstryde.
En die rugby in die Kaap is kerngesond, so miskien is hierdie 20 span storie maar eintlik net ‘n verskoning vir ‘n self-dienende agenda?
En GCB speel nie teen al die ander Vrystaat skole gelyk nie.
En hoekom Garsies en Menlo op een dag, miskien maak Menlo en ‘n ander kleiner skool meer sin.
Dit is jammer dat ander skole met baie spanne hulle verwerdig om teen kleiner skole te speel, maar dat Affies nie daarvoor kans sien nie.
@Babbelas:
Hierdie ou storietjie van nie genoeg spanne is sommer n pot stront……..onttrek dan van St Johns, Kearsney, Wildeklawer en al die ander merry-go-round feeste waar net A spanne speel
Miskien moet alle skolerugby in Pretoria gestaak word want dit word deur suurstofdiewe beheer wat absoluut geensins aan die kinders dink.
@akw: Dit is ‘n probleem omdat daar nie genoeg skole in Pretoria is met meer as 20 spanne nie, net Pretoria Boys High het meer as 20 spanne, ek vermoed in die Kaap is dit ‘n ander saak waar daar baie meer groot skole is wat 20 plus spanne het, so daar is baie meer kompitisie vir almal.
En ook ek dink nie die Bloemfontein skole het so groot probleem om gelyktydig Grey College aan te vat soos Pretoria skole nie, dis hoekom daai een werk.
As Affies bv Menlopark en Garsfontein gelyktydig een saterdag moet aanvat gaan daar nooit ooreengestem kan word oor watter spanne sal watter spanne speel nie. So ook Centurion, Zwartkop, HTS John Voster en Eldoraigne nie.
Grasshopper, how does you are?
@akw: Juffrou vir Afrikaanse kinders in klas kamer langs ‘n veld met beeste:
Juffrou: “Class, please correct the sentence: There is seven cows in the field”
Jannie: “One are a bull”
@jakes: Jy vergeet die ander grote in PTA Eldos teen Monnas
@Babbelas: LOL
Geluk met julle wen! 4 Pretoria skole in quarterfinals.
I am skryfing in Inglish, as this are a Inglish blok.
How do the Cape schools handle the issue of having enough teams, or not enough teams, to compete against each other?
And GCB plays against Louis Botha, Fichardtpark, Jim Fouche and Sentraal. Surely these schools have fewer teams than GCB?
Why is this a problem in Pta?
@BOG: Thanks BOG. Sal kyk of streaming beter is.
@AbsolutMenlo: Affies gaan binnekort wees soos ‘n 16 jarige seun, met hom self speel….
@kosie: Toe dinge begin moeilik raak in die 2 de helfte het ek gedink ons gaan weer boedel oor gee soos die vorige jare se talentvolle spanne! MAAR die span het ys in hul are en het skitterende veggees openbaar!
Ek glo ons speel nog te veel rugby in ons eie helfte! Skakel paar moet meer die voet in le in ons helfte! Ons moet net omgekeerde besit hardloop in ons helfte!
O 16 span is seker die beste afgerigte Eldo span wat ek in 8 jaar by Eldo gesien het! Die einste span het as o 14 ‘s en 0 15 ‘s groot tellings teen hulle gehad! Die jaar met dieselfde spelers het hulle naelskraap verloor teen Monnas in Tuks finaal en hul ondersteunende spel is ‘n lus vir die oog!
Volgende 3 jaar lyk blink vir Eldo rugby! Home grown talent can compete – (spesiaal vir soup tiel Grashopper!
Die persepsie dat dit al die ander Pretoria skole is wat uit hul pad uit gaan om teen Affies te speel is verkeerd. Dit was Affies wat laas jaar te kenne gegee het dat hulle Mako A skole wou speel…en die res weet ons.
Die te min spanne is maar een van baie verskonings. Not to be trusted.
@Djou: Daar is n groot apologie op GCB se FB oor die swak kwaliteit van gister se “stream”. Hulle skryf dit toe aan n baie swak Vodacom 3G sein by die veld. Maar hulle se dat hulle dit weer gaan doen teen MC en dat hulle die hi-lites gaan edit vanaand. So, kyk maar uit daarvoor
@jakes: @Greenman: Hi Greenman, dit kan nie waar wees nie? Affie Ma wat oppoenente seun slaan? Seker net so ‘n groot onwaarheid dat hulle laas jaar teen Garsies onttrek omdat hulle bang was om te verloor!
Haai, Affies doen mos nie sulke dinge nie……(tong stewig in die kies)
@Grasshopper….thanx, the problem was that Rapport printed it in its results column together with all the 1st team 15 man rugby schools games……clearly a misunderstanding, leading to a mistake……tut,tut
Ek wil nou nie te betrokke raak by wie teen Affies speel of nie, want ek weet dis ‘n komplekse saak en ek verstaan dat hul soveel spelers as moontlik wil laat speel.
Ek moet darem noem dat Affies jaarliks teen Helpmekaar speel, wat gewoonlik net 9 spanne het…….so niks is onmoontlik nie, waar daar ‘n wil is, is daar ‘n weg, baie opsies bestaan.
Ons sal graag Affies terug in die Beeldmakro wil he, soos dit tans gestruktureer is, is dit heel moontlik om hul derbies in te pas en Beeld te speel, as bv die Glenwood fixture wegval.
Daar moet onthou word dat net die 1e en A spanne bv aan Kearsny easter fees, Wildeklawer en sulke jaarlikse geleenthede deelneem….dis nie asof daar 30 spanne van Affies betrokke is by sulke prestige events nie.
Met ‘n bietjie meet en pas, kan hulle hul vernaamste derbies speel, al wedstyd wat dan bykom is Garsfontein( speel mos klaar teen Waterkloof, en Menlo is tog klaar op kalender)…..hulle laer spanne speel al jare teen FH Odendaal, hts Tuine, Erasmus en sulke skole wat vir almal genoeg speelkans kan gee as hul dit net mooi uitwerk.
Dan die playoffs kan ons darem weer Affies teen Monnas, HTS M ens sien
Alhoewel Affies baie sterk is, dink ek nie hulle sal heeltemal oorheers nie ……Helpmekaar se 014A en 016A het Affies vanjaar gewen en hulle speel groot en nie eers makro skole nie
As hulle gister teen PBHS plaas van Glenwood gespeel het, dan was hul seisoen in elk geval klaar en kan die o14.15en 16A asook 1e span voortgaan in die beeld sonder dat res van hul spanne wedstryde hoef in te boet.
Ek is seker dat wie ook al beeld gaan wen in elk van die oudersdomsgroepe, dit eerder sou wen of verloor met Affies in die mix.
Maar nou ja, dit sal seker nooit gebeur nie, en ek verstaan almal se argumente….bly jammer vir my dat die Noordvaal outjies hulle nie teen Affies kan meet nie
@Djou: Dis ‘n storie vir die Ingelse koerant, bladsy 3 of dalk die agterste ene – SPORTS…
@Babbelas: Hoe weet jy sy sussie bad kaal?
@Beet: Some of your missing result from Rapport newspaper:
HTS Louis Botha 56 Jim Fouche 20
Kroonstad 43 HTS Welkom 3
AHS Kroonstad 28 Witteberg 14
@Kempie Pa: Was ‘n baie strawwe wedstryd. Eerste 20 minute het Eldos geboer op Kempies se doel lyn maar kon net 5 punte wys vir dit. Kempies was 4 keer in Eldo helfte in die 1 ste helfte en teken 9 punte aan. Eerste 20 minute in 2 de helfte het Kempies die botoon gevoer. Keer punt was in die 2 de helte toe die skitterende Eldo kaptein en 8 ste man met die afskop na Kempies punte aan geteken het, deur hardloop vir ‘n sagte drie. Kort daar na kon Eldo weer druk in die hoekie om 6 punte voor te kom. Teen die einde skitterende verdeding vir by kans 6 minute deur Eldo’s het die knoop deur gehak!
Baie spannende wedstryd met goeie gees tussen die toeskouers. Goed gedaan Kempies, waardige teenstanders!
@OudAffie: Point taken…Menlo moved on!
@Tang: I agree with you, too keep up PBHS need to offer at least 30 sports bursaries a year!
@Grasshopper: Jou sussie bad kaal ,,,,,
@Grasshopper: If you want to start a conversation in fanagalo, I am willing to participate. It became my first language when working on the mines during my youth.
@Grasshopper: I was not exactly criticizing – merely responding to your comment. Im comfortable with several languages
@Vyfster: it was 7’s so no one in KZN really cares…
Am i missing something….didn’t DHS beat Westville yesterday 17-14?
It is not on the fixture list above, I just saw it in the results column of today’s Rapport newspaper(of all places).
Yet, nobody mentioned anything on this thread……surely it would count as a bit of a surprise?
Or was there no official game?
@Grasshopper – It could well be a 100 point margin on Saturday at Boys High. The worst thing is that there will be no quick fix. Boys high are trying to turn results around but I fear the approach may be somewhat short. The one variable that Boys High refuse to consider are bursaries. Whilst I can understand the thinking behind the decision, I truly don’t think senior management understand the difference this is creating. Trying to change your results by coaching alone may not yield anywhere near the expected levels of improvement. Most teams PBHS plays against already have strong coaching teams but the one key difference is the number of scholarships/ bursaries. I think Boys High are being naive if they feel that the coaching led approach is going to yield major improvements (improved coaching, conditioning should be taken as a given).
Parktown are a good side this year and could have had a few more large scalps if they had just held their composure at the Jeppe 125 festival.
@Tang: yep, I do use Google translate but it doesn’t take into account slang etc. I got a B 2nd language for Kaans but that was 20 years ago now! Yeah, I know it’s not linear but if Glenwood can beat College by 50 and College beat PBHS by 50, theoretically a win by 100 is possible. Affies almost did it to KES. Poor Roger, losing to Parktown is as bad as losing to Northwood!
@Ruggerfan; @Gungets Tuft – Did you guys watch the game yesterday (first team).
I didn’t expect Boys High to win but I also didn’t expect them to lose by such a big margin.
The levels of frustration amongst the boys must be at breaking point. It is demoralising to take beatings week after week with no end in sight.
Just cut and paste the Afrikaans text into a google translate URL. I think the language diversity is good and we definitely need the Afrikaans bloggers to keep posting.
@Grasshopper – I take your point about Boys High (Once Proud School). In two weeks of rugby (KES and College), Boys High have not won a single A team fixture.
@Grasshopper: There I was thinking it was a schoolboy rugby blog. I’m happy to use my pidgin ‘Kaans to understand some of the contributions as long as I can use English.
@Grasshopper: i think if all the afrikaans gentlemen lef, there wouldn’t be much of a blog now… would there?
@BOG: you didn’t need to speak Afrikaans for a decade in the UK, hence its decline. This is supposed to be an English blog anyway, it’s not skoolseunsrugbyblog….
@McCulleys Workshop: not sure what you’re going on about, but there was some brilliant rugby played yesterday. These fixtures are tough and expose weaknesses or shortcomings. The A team games were all brilliant games and they could have gone either way. The hugs and chatter between the boys after the games doesn’t seem to indicate much fighting or disharmony between the boys. Thank goodness three schools opt to play games at this level.
@4×4: Die staat sal verseker nie nog n skool bou nie… die huidige skole sal moet cope… glo dit of nie, waterkloof en menlo is nie 100% op kapasiteit nie… eks seker garsies mag dalk in die toekoms nog klaskamers bou om die leerders te akkomodeer
@Grasshopper: I think that he is saying the exact opposite. Thankfully, you wont be translating where my life is at stake. He is saying that they prefer participation with schools where as many as possible teams can be involved, ie interschools.
@OudAffie: ek weet waar jy vandaan kom… maar in pta kan net garsies, kloof en ptabh julle daai games gee… en julle speel net teen 2 van die 3 en laat ons eerlik wees ptabh (met groot respek) is nie rerig op die stadium teenstand nie…
Oud Affie…ek vermoed dat skole soos Kloof en Garsies se getalle in die toekoms heelwat gaan toeneem weens die uitbreiding in die Ooste van Pretoria, en vermoed ek dat daar heel moontlik in die naby geleë toekoms heelwat meer spanne in die veld gestoot sal word deur die skole.
Djou… rugbyman ek verstaan dat daar sekere getalle is wat skole kan akkomodeer. Is daar enige wyse waarop die staat skole kan dwing om getalle aan te pas? Ek kan verseker nie insien dat die staat ‘n nuwr afrikaanse hoërskool in die ooste sal bou om daai behoefte aan te spreek nie.
Ek verstaan dat laerskole soos Constantia Park en Garsies reeds uit hulle nate bars en is Elardus Park weer besig om teen ‘n snelle pas Makro Skool Status te herwin. As dit die voederskole is van die Hoërskole kan ek net die aanname maak dat die getalla gaan toeneem
@umbiloburger: That’s about your best comment all season. What happened to “play the best to improve and become the best?”
@Grasshopper: Haven’t you guys got a big trip either this coming weekend or next to the EC?.
You might want to chat to the boys before volunteering them for a 12 hour bus trip. My lightie is a fairly willing oke but his last tour to Affies (his last ever school tour unless testosterone trumps academics) he was not all bubbly with joy at the prospect of 2 x 7 hours, and even less sunny side up after the extra 2 hours back due to snow covered roads.
Rugbman ek dink nie Affie Ouers sal ‘n revolusie begin om die besluit geneem ( hetsy ingelig of oningelig) om te keer nie, en juis daarom my kommentaar dat dit moontlik weer in 2018 sal geskied as van die besluitnemers nie meer by Affies betrokke is nie.
Wat Menlo-Affies Derby aanbetref sal ek graag wil verneem hoe hulle voorstel die Derby in die toekoms hanteer kan word..op ‘n krag tot krag basis, of soos op die voorgestelde basis hierdie jaar dat Menlo se B-Spanne teen Affies se C of D Spanne meeding?
@AffieOuer: my Afrikaans isn’t great, but from what I understood you want Glenwood to look elsewhere for an annual derby. I for one have nothing against Affies, but I didn’t like the derby from the beginning. The schools have little in common and Affies is generally much stronger down the line. A far better derby for Glenwood would be one vs Grey PE, KES, PBHS or Jeppe.
@Rugbyman, ek vertsaan, die maatsraf is dat ons 18 wedstryde wou speel en dat Menlopark ONGELUKKIG net 9 kon gee hierdie jaar. Dis te min, en dit is my hele punt van die begin af, dit gaan nie net oor die 4 beste spanne in die skool nie maar oor almal wat wil speel, of te minste meer as die helfde. En daarom kan Affies nie almal aanvat in die Noorvaal nie, en daarom speel ons van 2007 nie meer in die Beeld nie, en daarom speel ons teen al hoe meer skole anderkant die vaal(Grey, Diamantveld, Maritzburg, Glenwood, Westville en self Daniel Pienaar so paar jaar terug) Dis die punt, nie Affies wil nie, nie Affie dink min van ander skole nie of is bang nie of watokal nie, dit gaan oor waar Affies die meeste speelkans kry vir sy leerders wat wil rugby speel, nie 5 wedstryde ‘n jaar nie, maar 15. Dis waaroor dit gaan, anders kan die Skool leerders begin salaris trek en proffesioneel word op 16 en elke skool het net 1 span. Elke skool wil al sy spanne wedstryde gee, en gemengde skole het mos natuurlik minder spanne, want daar is minder seuns, dit maak net sin dan dat Affies skole nader met 30 spanne, net soos Garsfontein skole sal nader wat 18 of 20 spanne het, en nie skole wat slegs 10 spanne het nie.
@OudAffie: Jy verstaan my verkeerd… ek weet presies hoe menli se seisoen gegaan het… ek bedoel net dit sal sekerlik nie die maatstaf wees van of affies en menlo sal speel al dan nie…
Ek dink tog as dit uit die ouer en kinder geledere kom dat affies teen garsies wil speel dan kan dit gebeur…? So dit is tog in julle hande…
@Rugbyman, Menlopark se seisoen vir 2015 soos wat ek dit het.
1 Sat.21Mar Grey College 27 50 Lost Away
2 Thu.02Apr Westville 25 27 Lost Kearsney Easter Rugby Fest
3 Sat.04Apr Selborne 20 28 Lost Kearsney Easter Rugby Fest
4 Mon.06Apr Glenwood 23 19 Won Kearsney Easter Rugby Fest
5 Wed.08Apr Paarl Gim 10 22 Lost Noord-Suid
6 Sat.11Apr Outeniqua 20 44 Lost Noord-Suid
7 Sat.18Apr Diamantveld 3 37 Lost Away
8 Sat.25Apr Kynoch Noord-Kaap 34 40 Lost Wildeklawer
9 Mon.27Apr Boland Landbou 20 24 Lost Wildeklawer
10 Sat.09May Waterkloof 9 23 Lost Beeld
11 Sat.16May Glenwood x x Drew Home
12 Sat.23May Garsfontein 21 31 Lost Home
13 Sat.06Jun Affies X X Drew Cancelled
14 Sat.13Jun Florida – – – Home
15 Sat.01Aug Marais Viljoen – – – Beeld
Jy is heeltemal reg dat dit die kinders is wat lei, en dit is ook nie net ‘n probleem by Affies nie al die skole sukkel om genoeg wedstryde te kry vir al hul spanne, en ek wil ook ‘n Garsfontein derby sien maar dis heeltemal buite my beheer.
Ek probeer net die gedagte oordra aan AbsoluutMenlo oor hoekom Affies nie almal in Noordvaal kan speel nie.
@OudAffie: sjoe… ek dink jou 2 wedstryde ‘n jaar argument dra nie heeltemal water nie… maar ek praat nie namens menlo nie…
Soos ek hierbo vermeld het, as julle teen ons wil speel is dit net een oproep en dan kan dit gereel word… ek twyfel egter of die gewilligheid daar is van affies se kant af…
Terloops sukkel ons maar net so om games te kry vir ons laer spanne… op die ou einde van die dag lei ons kinders daaronder…
@BOG: mmmmm ek wonder of die dame ook haar baard dye soos n sekere baie bekende slot…
Die slanende ma, het sy n pers rok gedra met n snor- moontlik ook hare onder die arm ? Vra dan vir Andre T- dis sy Portugese (seker gewese) skoonma.@Pinotage: @Djou: Die wedstryd was “ge-stream”, lewendig, maar die kwaliteit was baie swak. Ek kon nie een enkele drie sien nie, maar die telbord was darem “live”. En ek was nie n uitsondering nie. Die manne/kykers het dit almal ervaar, as daar gekyk word na die kommentare. Dit is egter n stap in die regte rigting en ek is hoopvol dat die tegniese probleme uitgesorteer sal word. Hou maar GCB se FB dop voor n wedstryd- hulle sal sekerlik daar aandui of dit gewys sal word. Dit is wat hulle met gister se wedstryd gedoen het.
Noorde speel reeds jaar na jaar teen mekaar…Affies meer as welkom
@AbsoluutMenlo, dis reg Affies en Menlo kan 4 wedstryde speel, al die A spanne en 1ste span en dan is alles goed en wel, maar ek gaan egter aanneem dat JY mnr die 400 seuns wat nie gaan speel nie baie mooi sal inlig van die situasie en dat skole rugby eintlik net gaan oor die 4 top spanne in die skool.
Die feit bly staan Affies is ‘n seunskool en daarom is dit tog maklik om te verstaan dat Affies net teen skole wil speel wat almal wedstryde kan bied elke saterdag, en ek verneem Menlopark het nie net 4 spanne nie maar 9 is nou net nie genoeg vir ‘n volwaardige derby nie.
@Rugbyman, Affies sal moet begin kyk dan om meer as een skool gelyktydig aan te vat om almal te kan akkomodeer, maar dit self kan baie rusie veroorsaak oor wie speel wie. wanneer Affies kloof gespeel het met 18 spanne, het Boys High gelukkig vir die ander 10 wedstryde besorg.
Maar ek gaan dit maar so laat want ek is seker ons kan mekaar lekker aanvat oor sommer alles as ons wil, en soos AffieOuer gesê kom ons verenig maar eerder die Noorde, wel probeer.
@AffieOuer: Ons afrikaners is mal daaroor om onder mekaar te baklei…
Ek gaan nie die hele affies garsies debat weer heropen nie… maar ons het nie die games gekanseleer nie, affies het… so as julle weer wil speel moet julle net vra dan is ek doodseker dit kan gebeur…
@AbsolutMenlo: ouens kom ons verenig die Noorde liewer en klim nou nie weer inder mekaar in soos die Afrikaner so dikwels doen nie. I get it- ons is almal lus vir mekaar ( op n mooi manier)! Kom ons probeer die besluitnemers beinvloed in die verband
@Djou: @4×4: @AffieOuer: Dit kan GROOT wees so ook met Menlo. Die feit is die game kan maklik op die kalender geplaas word…maar gaan dit plaasvind!? No trust in Affies!! Affies wil net speel op hulle terme.
@4×4: ou maat ek kan jou verseker geen rugby is beter as dit wat gister in die naam v rugby gebeur het
@Djou ons moet, moet ons nie?
Affieouer….teen die tempo gaan daar nie meer baie rugby gespeel word nie…as die GW Derby gekanselleer word en die vermoedelik die Menlo Derby ( in aggenome dat hulle die afgelope 2 jaar nie gespeel het nie) met wie wil julle die wedstryde vervang?
Ek dink die herinstel van die Garsies Derby sal verbysterend wees, alhoewel ek vermoed dat daai moontlikheid dalk eers in 2018 sal bestaan. Dink in elk geval as dit by getal spanne kom kan Garsies baie naby kom om 18 spanne in die veld te stoot!
Ek dink nog steeds ‘n Middelburg Derby kan ook op die kaarte wees…laat die A en B Spanne teen HTS Middelburg speel en die ander onder spanne teen Hoërskool Middelburg…dink nie die administrasie rondom dit kan te moelik wees nie.
@AffieOuer: Sal great wees. Oortuig net die geneesheer.
@4×4: Dit is by Garsies. Ek dink al die wedstryde is by Garsies. Hartseer dat albei spanne se SA skolespelers nie kan speel nie – gaan dit egter nie minder van ‘n contest maak nie.
Ek het besluit om na 4 jaar se persoonlike ervaring van die derby, vandag openlik en eerlik daaroor te skryf:
Gister:
Die dag was gekenmerk vir onbevoegde tot uiters partydige skeidsregters. Daar was geweldig “van die bal af” spel en skeidsregters het eenvoudig nie beheer gevat nie – hetsy hulle nie wou nie of nie geweet het hoe nie. Ek het nie elke wedstryd gekyk nie maar ek kan bevestig dat die wat ek wel gekyk het Glenwood loshande die geelkaart wenners was. Daarmee probeer ek nie te kenne gee dat Affies nie ook geelkaarte ontvang het nie. allermins! In die 0/15B game was daar nie minder as 3 geelkaarte aan die GW span toegeken nie!
Wat hartseer was is dat skeidsregters nie beheer van wedstryde gevat het nie en dit gelei het tot groot frustrasie van ouers langs die veld. Dit help natuurlik glad nie dat ouers toegelaat word om reg langs die veld te staan en toekyk hoe “van die bal af” spel toegelaat word nie. Ek gaan nie kommentaar lewer oor die 0/14 insident nie want ek was nie daar nie. Ek kan wel bloggers verseker dat Affies nie onbetaamlike gedrag sal duld nie en dit sal beslis sterk aangespreek word – dit is absoluut teen alles waarvoor Affies staan. Dit was ongelukkig nie die enigste insident nie….op die hoofpawiljoen het GW ouers ook tussenbeide begin tree by ‘n wedstryd toe die skeidsregter hande gevou oor sy bors 5 m weggestaan en toekyk het hoe die seuns onder mekaar inklim. Gemoedere het hooggeloop op die pawiljoen toe beide skole se ouers wou nader staan.
Die eerste span wedstryd: @Djou jy is reg met jou aanname oor die strafskoppe. Die skeidsregter het glad nie Affies toegelaat om vir die bal by afbreekpunte te contest nie. Soveel so dat die instruksie halftyd van die afrigters aan die seuns was om glad nie te contest nie. Dit het natuurlik daartoe gelei dat Affies min bal in die 2de helfte gesien het maar jy sal verstaan as die strafskoppe teen halftyd 14-2 in die guns van jou opponent is dat jy moet kennis neem. Die 2de helfte was die strafskoppe 7-3 in GW se guns. Ek moet egter ook vermelding maak van die GW span wat vir die duur van die wedstryd met groot passie gespeel het en Affies aangevat het in elke fasset. Ek dink die Affiemanne het uitstekend gedoen onder baie moeilike omstandighede. Waarop ek trots is is dat die manne se dissipline tav emosies gehou het en dat hulle alles gedoen het om te bly fokus op die spel. Daar was wel ‘n geelkaart beide kante toe gelyktydig toegeken, in die doodsnikke van die wedstryd.
Die verlede en die toekoms:
Soos ek reeds vermeld het, was gister my 4 de derby en eerlikwaar hoop ek my laaste!!! Die derby word doodgewoon gekenmerk deur grootskaalse onaangenaamheid wat my laat glo dat dit net nie langer die moeite werd is nie. Ek aanvaar Affies is nie engeltjies nie, maar ons speel groot derbies teen Grey Bloem, Maritzburg, PBHS, die jaar ook Westville gespeel en dit is altyd harde lekker kompetisie wat gespeel word in die goeie gees. Ja dis hard en fisies maar daar is nie off the ball geniepsigheid nie. Ek kan net met die grootste lof praat oor hierdie derbies en die vriendskappe wat ons langs die velde sluit wat lank na die games nog voortleef.
In die geval van GW/Affies derby is dit ongelukkig nie ‘n geleentheid wat die beste in enige van die twee skole uithaal nie. 2 jaar terug was daar ook in die hoofwedstryd ‘n insident en daar was baie uitgesproke opinies op hierdie blog gelewer oor Affies, tot ‘n video die lig gesien het wat GW as skuldige party uitgewys het. Hierdie goed laat ‘n slegte smaak in ‘n ou se mond en tas net onnodig die skool se reputasie aan. Eerlik dink ek dat die tyd aangebreek het vir beide skole om groener weivelde te soek. Vir ons Maritzburg en Westville kollegas wil ons sê dit sal ‘n eer en voorreg bly om teen julle te speel. Ek kan nie verklaar waarom dit anders is teen GW nie maar die kool is net nie meer die sous werd nie. Toe ons gister die pad terug aanpak Pretoria toe het ek met ‘n swaar gemoed die 600km afgelê want al het ons as wenners van die veld afgestap na die 1ste span game dink ek almal sal met my saamstem dat daar geen wenners weggestap het van die derby nie.
@rugbyman ons soek ‘n nuwe fixure – is Garsies in?? Goeie nuus is dat niemand 600km hoef te ry nie, net 6!
CharlesZA..Ek lees nou van die insidente wat plaasgevind het die naweek. As een ouer van ‘n skool homself/haarself wangedra langs ‘n rugbyveld kan die skool nie verantwoordelik gehou word vir so persoon se wangedrag nie.
Umbiloburger…you are quite right. The stakes has become to high. But before whose door should that be placed, the childrens?!! I believe that the situation pertaining to bursaries can be blamed in toto as the winning at all costs principle has overshadowed what should be enjoyable schools rugby.
Djou…ek lees nie veel in ‘n strafskop telling van 21-5 in nie. Ons weet almal dat elke skeidsregter die stel reels verskillend interpreteer of dit nou op skole, nasionale of internasionale vlak is. Dink daar kan baie meer ingelees word in ‘n geelkaart telling en hopelik kan Greenman meer lig op die onderwerp plaas. Baie geluk met julle wen gister en sterkte vir die kwartfinale…sien julle speel weet teen Nelspruit. Kan jy dalk aantoon waar julle en speel en hoe laat?
@umbiloburger: I don’t think the problem is with the stakes being too high. It is not as if it is about life or death. It is about behaviour and plain respect – something we need to teach our kids and also something we need to live as an example. The same goes for teachers and coaches and referees.
@Pinotage: Kan jy dalk asb. bietjie meer uitbrei. Wou graag gegaan het maar ander verpligtinge het my weerhou. Jammer dat die wedstryd nie ook op TV is nie.
@BOG: Dit was n fantastiese wedstryd met baie vaardighede wat ten toon gestel is. Die veranderinge wat gemaak is deur die afrigtingspan, was nommerpas. Besluitneming op die veld was goed. Oud-uppie se klong het n drie gaan druk wat my asem weggeslaan het. Die PE manne se agterlyn was indrukwekkend. Dit was absoluut wonderlik om die 260 km Bloem toe te ry en af te skop by die Peaches teen 09h45 waar ek n meer direkte verpligting gehad het as rugbypa. Die Tbone en rooies na die tyd was ook voortreflik. Viva le Grey!
@: I battle to understand how the intercept try was the difference in the U16A match. GW were definitely the better team on the day. The U15A game was a brilliant match with both sides giving the ball width. A disallowed try to GW and an intercept try by Afiies was the difference. But Affies were full value of the win.
As far as incidents, yes there were. The stakes have become too high in school boy rugby making winning too important.
@OudAffie: Honderd present reg! n lekker derby maar dit is besig om lelik skeef te trek. Dit voel soms of die ouers die game speel en die kinders op die veld die pionne is.
Daar behoort aksie te wees teen die ma en miskien tyd vir introspek!
Ek gaan geen insedent verdedig nie, want ek was nie daar nie, ek wil bloot die punt lig dat dit vir my vreeslik opvallend is dat daar elke liewe jaar ‘n groot rusie is tussen die affies spelers en glenwood spelers, en dat daar elke jaar na die derby groot gesprek is oor hoe sleg die een is en daai een, en dit mag dalk waar wees, maar sekerlik as dit so sleg gaan is dit nie meer die moeite werd om die derby te hou dan nie. Want ek hoor en lees nie soortgelykge goed by ander skole derbies nie. Dit laat my terugdink aan al die insedente tussen affies en waterkloof, en op die ou einde is dit gestop!, Maarnet my opinie ouens,
So Grey Kollege did it again. Just when you think we are down, you make one of the biggest mistakes of your life. Hope this settled some of the wrong perceptions. Also congrats to the under aged teams.
@Greenman: Ek hoop daar gaan iets teen Affies ook gedoen word. Sulke gedrag hoort nie naby n rugby veld nie.
@Greenman: Wow, this is not good to hear – if a parent hits a player some action must be taken. And this at u.14 level. Pathetic. And yes, it is only a game.
But I must say, a 21-5 penalty count in a match that turned out to be a close affair seems dubious. It just isn’t possible – and can be a cause of huge frustration. Again its only a game – where fairness and consistency are all that is asked. When things such as an unfair game happens, it reduces the boys’ trust in the one person they should trust most for fairness and destroys the social capital they should have for the rest of their life.
I also thought the ref in Gim/Boishaai match made crucial mistakes to both sides costing them dearly. And according to the commentators he is one of the best. So, I don’t want to see one of the average. We need better referees – and if it means we have to pay referees more for refereeing school matches, so be it.
@AffieOuer: en jy weet die strafskop telling is vir my die opsomming van al die games op die dag. Daar is net te veel insidente van die bal af en ek beskuldig nie net Affies of Glenwood nie maar dit was regtig baie onplesierig om game vir game na fights te kyk. Aaan my naam kan jy seker sien wie ek ondersteun maar ek wil graag een punt opbring. Die fanatiese affie ondersteuning seker ouers. Ek was later so gatvol vir die affie “ref is “k#$k” comments. Genugtig, dit raak darem nou afgesaag maar die probleem is dat die nou al deur affies spelers ook geglo word en die ref op elke beslissing aanvat. Nooit het ek ooit gehoor van Glenwood se ondersteuners wat die ref beledig nie. Miskien so bietjie dink hieroor. Natuurlik was die 0/14 A game incident die cherry on top. Ma slaan Glenwood speler na kind geduik is. Die ref moes ingryp en haar van die skool verwyder het. Hoop daar kom aanrandingsaak. Met al die goed wil mens nie eintlik jou kind laat speel. Dammit man , dis kinders en wat leer hulle van ons!
@Speartackle: Lyk vir my of dit eerder n “missing link” was. Ek kon nie een enkele drie sien nie. Maar dit is n begin. Ek is seker hulle sal die probleempies uitsorteer
@Vyfster: ons is bevoorreg om n passievolle man in beheer daarvan te he! Jy kan op die webwerf via epos n geselsie met hom aanknoop. Hy het soveel interessante staaltjies en skryf altyd n berig om na uit te sien (dankie Johan)
@ Affieouer: ek wens alle skole het so noukeurig rekord gehou en beskikbaar gestel soos julle rugbyblad….dit is regtig uitstekend en ‘n goeie bron van inligting…..wie dit ookal behartig verdien ‘n klop op die skouer
Jeez, some real humdingers today! and a few surprising results today
Glenwood must be crestfallen…. last minute loss to Affies, eish!
St Andrews/Dale must have been a cracker, Selborne/Queens as well, who would have ever thought that a Grey bloem win is a mild surprise, welcome back
Parktown must be very chuffed with their win over KES!
there are so many other teams who suffered narrow losses…..Kempies, Piet Retief, Brackenfell, Stellenberg, Paarl Gim……such is the vagaries of life….keep your heads high, congrats to the winners.
Special thought to Vredenburg, that must have been awful.
Now for the Beeld quarterfinals next week
Goeie uitslae vir Boland Landbou, Paul Roos en SACS. Well done, gentlemen.
Lees gerus opsomming vd Affies vs Glenwood game. Affiesrugby met wedstryd inligting en statistiek. http://t.co/IO6BX41o9s. Lees ook vd interessante insident!
So terloops die strafskoppe teen die einde vd game was 21-5 in die guns van GW
@Saartjie: Die rede waarom ek gedink het Eldo dalk nie sou wen nie was net ‘n gevoel wat ek gehad het. Ek is bly my gevoel was verkeerd. My kinders sou my onterf as hulle weet dat ek gedink het dat hulle sou verloor.
Moet se Jakes en Buckie doen wonders met die seuns. Om net 1 wedstryd in 17 te verloor is werklik goed en was dit baie jare gelede wat hulle so ‘n wen rekord gehad het.
Ek verneem Eldo gaan nog in 2016 B bond Beeld speel en is die plan dat hulle in 2017 weerA bond Beeld gaan speel.
@BOG: Moet my asb nooit weer n link gee om n game kyk…….dit was pateties…….ek kon skaars die score board sien
The Glenwood boys can hold their heads up for their performance today. It’s a pity that there had to be a loser. The centre pairing of Maduna and Holthausen was amazing. Well done to the 14a and 16a who won their games, they are the only A teams in KZN to beat Affies this year.
@kosie: Sal graag wil weet wat jou rede was hoekom jy gedink het Eldoraigne gaan nie wen teen Kempton nie…vir interessantheid? Eldoraigne het al menige male die jaar gewys dat hulle geensins onderskat kan word nie. Vandag was weereens ‘n sprekende voorbeeld van dit – ‘n span wat soveel karakter wys en van agter af kom en die wedstryd wen. Wedstryd was kliphard en op die einde van die dag was dit Eldoraigne wat die wen verdien. Ek persoonlik dink puik verdediging van die wen span en hul vermoe om geleenthede in punte te omskep was die deurslag vir die oorwinning. Hulle het punte aangeteken wanneer dit van kardinale belang was en so die wen verseker. Groot krediet aan Kempton wat tot aan die einde baklei het. Dit was voorwaar ‘n wedstryd waar geen genade getoon is nie en ‘n skoon wedstryd aan albei kante, met Eldoraigne welverdiend die wenners.
@Kempie Pa: Julle het ‘n puik span en dit beslis nie maklik gemaak vir Eldoraigne nie. Dis jammer daar moes ‘n verloorder wees.
Some brilliant match up’s over the next 3 weekends in the Beeld Trophy. Pretoria will see two massive games this weekend, Garsfontein vs Nelspruit and EG Jansen vs Waterkloof. If we are lucky enough we can catch both games, depending on the time they are playing. EGJ should not underestimate Waterkloof.
Agree with Gungets on this one. PBHS are a class school – great men that go there – sporting to the last (never giving up) and while the record books will show a clean sweep today – it does not show the pride of the school.
There were very few walk overs.
Good luck PBHS – it’s been a tough season – but you will prevail. One of my favourite fixtures of the year!
@meadows: well Ruan Pienaar is the slowest 9 in world rugby!
@BOG: I thought home advantage would give PE the edge, I was wrong. Never been good at predict a score. I thought Glenwood would lose by 30! How wrong was I!
Bit of a sad day for my son and I. It’s the last time we will host the PBHS guys, being my sons matric year. We’ve hosted the same young man for 5 years, we always look forward to their visit. We’ve got to know the parents by following tours up there and them coming down for this one. In my mind that’s easily as important as the sports results, and the only reason I need to encourage the sports exchanges between PBHS and College. Take a bow both schools, great traditions.
@Grasshopper: Which Grey did you say by ten?
@Dixon’s: Same problem at 9 in senior rugby. I think that these guys are so coached to structure that a 9 that plays quickly causes as much chaos in his own team as in the opposition ranks. I’ve seen good scrummies game’s slow down in the pro ranks and it irritates the hell out of me
@Gungets Tuft: Agree! PBHS is a great school and our friends next door will be back.
Well done Menlo 37 – 30 Marais Viljoen. All our teams are in the Beeld quarterfinals. MenloTrots.
@Dixon’s: well next year we will have some tall timber! Such a pity, a rare win there for the taking!
Glenwood v Affies was a cracking game. The tall timber in the Affies pack made the Glenwood lineout a joke. I thought the game would take the same pattern as the Affies College game, close for 40 odd minutes but the big Affies forwards being the difference in the last 20. But hats off to the Glenwood forwards who stood up to a very big and talented Affies pack. Glenwood gave themselves the opportunity to win. But only have themselves to blame for throwing away a win. Again as through the whole season the problems came from 9. Glenwood just cant field a scrumhalf who can understand the urgency of certain situations when the ball needs to move quickly. I call it donkey rugby. Take an age to set your feet look around pick your nose scratch your bum then pass the ball. Bybthat time the advantage has gone because the defence has had time to align itself. Also a few missed kicks at poles again proved vital in a close game. What could have been!!!
@Grasshopper: Rumours of the death of PBHS are greatly exaggerated. All the open scores were extremely close, as with the age group games. One forgettable season doesn’t condemn a school. PBHS are a great school, they’ll be back, it’s a blip on a long horizon.
@Kempie Pa: Ek het regtig gedink Kempies sou wen maar moet se dit voel of Eldo hierdie jaar in elke wedstryd net genoeg doen vir die wen en verdedig of hulle lewens daarvan afhang.
Dis die 2 de keer die jaar dat Eldo Kempies wen. In die Tuks reeks was dit baie nader. Eldo het nog net teen Egj hierdie jaar verloor.
Volgende week is dit ‘n ander storie teen Monnas
@Grasshopper:
Said it would be close. Must have been a hell of a game.
@Dixon’s: Whew – sounds like a hell of a game on Dixons! You’ve got to take your chances against sides like Affies. reminiscent of Glenwood going down to Grey in ’08 in a game that they should have closed out.
Sad day for PBHS, once a powerhouse!
Final score: College 55-6 PBHS
Glenwood threw that game away. Played the last 15 seconds in their own half. Should have secured possession and hoofed it into the Affies 22. Instead they tried to be too fancy and conceded a penalty and lost.
Glenwood lose 20-22 in the last minute, far too many of those this year.
@ Kempie Pa….moet se ek is ietwat verras, Kempies het die neiging om uitklopwedstryde te wen….anyway, geluk aan Eldo, sorry Kempies, net so kom ‘n seisoen skielik te einde.
in die ander makro play-off wen Menlo 37-30 Marais Viljoen
Beeld grootskole play offs
Helpmekaar 34-18 Hugenote
Ben Vorster 25-15 Secunda
Potch gim 39-7 Overkruin
Klerksdorp 24-18 Piet Retief
Geluk aan almal,sterkte met die kwarteindstryde!
Eldos wen 20-14 teen Kempies. Kempies het die meeste van die game gehad maar Eldos het baie goed verdedig en dan hulle kanse baie goed benut.
Sterkte teen Monnas. Ek het altyd gedink dat goeie verdediging die sleutel teen Monnas is as jy wil wen . Vandag het Eldos gewys dat hulle goed kan verdedig.
@Mike: Grey PE to win by 10 :-)
For those interested with a strong internet connection , here is a live streaming link the to Grey College/Grey High 1st XV match starting at 3pm.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysgt3C-xgYk
In what is becoming a tradition for visitors to Maritzburg College – another mass U16 get together for boerie rolls tonight at Casa Gazinhlaza! Check the Twitter feeds from College and PBHS for photos.
@Babbelas: baie dankie. Ek dink ek gaan bietjie daar ‘n draai maak siende dat ek in Pretoria is die naweek. Behoort ‘n goeie game te wees. Sterkte vir julle span. Eldoraigne se 0/16 en 1ste spanne baie goed die jaar.
Good luck to all the boys in action this weekend. a friend of mine’s son is playing for the Glenwood 5 side and they have only one loss so far this season so i can say good luck to all the boys in action. Also just want to congratulate DHS on winning the sevens tournament at Crawfort College this past weekend beating Kersney, Westville and then Hilton in the final . They won all their games rather convincingly on Saturday. Hopefully there is better things to follow
@Grasshopper: Yeah and I must correct myself – Glenwood more than stood their ground against Monnas who have a very strong pack. The Monnas 9 produced x-factor and was the difference on that day, while Glenwood left points on the field, with place kicking being an area in need of improvement.
@beet: I think you are right. I think we have 3 or 4 wins over Affies so it’s not impossible. Depends who plays and if the team are prepared properly.
@Grasshopper: @GreenBlooded: Glenwood don’t seem to match up well against stronger packs of forwards, so that’s where their main challenge lies. I think if they can win a decent share of ball, they have the firepower in the backline to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Recent history has not been the best for this Dixons fixture. Hopefully all that is in the past and focus will be on whats happening on the ball and not off it.
I except there are going to be some very good A-team games on throughout the day before the main game
@Rugger fan: Not me senor, I am staying in the tropics till the last second. I will be at AB Jackson from 10:00 – 12:00. By then they will hopefully have chased the huskies and polar bears from Goldstones. A little warmer-upper at 12:00?
@Gungets Tuft: I’m not sure – but meet me at Goldstones after the 8h00 match and we can do some scientific research on the matter?
@jakes: Hulle speel by Eldoraigne:
O 16’s 10:00 Eldos teen Rustenburg
1 stes 11:15 Eldos teen Kempies
@Rugger fan: Does the Glühwein (strutting at my clever cut & paste) come in Transkei Dumpie size. Can’t have anyone thinking I’m a soccer player or anything ..
@AffieOuer: If today is anything to go on it will be windy and chilly. Hope the boys will have a safe trip – I’m looking forward to hosting two of them tonight. Come say Hello – I will be field side.
Will be my last Glenwood home game of photos and my son isn’t playing
@Gungets Tuft: I think gluwien – not fanta will be the order of the day at the Bowls Club!
@AffieOuer: Durban tomorrow – dry, 11 – 19 degrees.
Maritzburg – Dry 2 – 18 degrees (colder than a witches t#t). Bring soup.
@grasshopper @GreenBlooded The Affie boys are on the busses and on their way to Durban. Looking forward to a great sporting event in Durban. Please order warm weather – last week was a chiller in Pta (and I dont mean the game)
@Grasshopper:
I know that nothing is linear and that different things happen on different days, but Affies and Glenwood had similar scores against College so hopefully this one should be close.
Glenwood will do well to hold Affies to a less than 30 point win! Good luck boys, home ground advantage! A teams will be close too…
@Ruggerfan – I am not traveling down to Martizburg. We will have to meet next year in PBM or Pretoria.
Enjoy the fixture.
@Kempie Pa: Weet jy dalk hoe laat Eldoraigne en Kempies dalk saterdag speel en op wie se velde. Ek dink Kempies gaan die een deurtrek, die Pretoria skole het nie so goeie geskiedenis teen Kempies in die Beeld trofee uitspeel wedstryde die laaste paar jaar nie, vra maar vir Waterkloof. Kempies hou altyd hulle beste vir laaste so einde van die jaar. Menlopark moet net opdaag teen Marais Viljoen, ek glo nie hulle gaan te veel sukkel om deur te dring na die 1/4 eind nie.
@beet: Was the same when College played them up there. The score didn’t tell the story. PBHS a proud school and Saturday will be a good match.
It’s now crunch time in Beeld! Looking forward to the Menlo Marais Viljoen game. Time for Menlo to turn their season when it matters most.
Good match between Kempies and Eldoraigne this week end. Kempies lost 13 – 10 in the last round of the Tuks series after demolishing HTS Middelburg the previous week end. The winner will face Monnas in the next round. Monnas will be holding thumbs for Kempies to avenge the draw recently.
I watched PBHS when they came down to play Westville. I thought their initial setups were very good and their ballcarrying too. They were not short of ball possession and had a few good territorial positions. They are going to miss their SA representative prop. He is mobile and carries well. Their two biggest issues against Westville seem to be passing amongst the backs. There was a lack of accuracy, urgency and cohesion there. Also decision-making especially in the redzone. Better option taking would have influenced the scoring. In the end Westville won 25-0, derserving the victory but the game was not nearly as one-sided as the score suggests.
@Rugger fan: Prediction is minimum 2, maximum 18. I will have to leave my brass monkey in Durban.
I see i’ll be up at Sparrow’s with an 8am KO. I also believe a gluwein or coffee rather than the normal brown bottle fanta may be in order as it may be a tad chilly again this weekend?
PBHS Fixtures here —> http://www.maritzburgcollege.org.za/sport/sport-fix-results/fixtures/288-rugby-and-hockey-fixtures-vs-pbhs-at-college-1-august
I’ve got a break around 12.
@Rugger fan: A Fanta at the bowls club sounds like it might be on. Depending on the fixtures of course, short day so they tend to squeeze ’em in. Bound to be a nice early start for us Durban people.
@Tang – will you be making the trek down to PMB this weekend? Hope to meet for a chat during the day.